Name: alicia
Location: Middlemount, Australia
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 06:33:58
Subject: Happy New Year
Submission:

We wish everyone on Norfolk Island a Happy and Contented 2003 and we look forward to holidaying again on your Island. It is magic and we hope it stays that way

What's cookin up dar hospital? Is the hostel "deputy" back on the job? Hope yorlye nor get too sick New Years Eve, I yar tull Fletcher is on duty!!!!!

Happy New Year to all from the Philippines!

Happy New Year to you too brud - but I hatta tull WISHFUL THINKEN. Dem doen a toen bin dare too lorng en dem wouldn't know how fer focus ulla tekk action even eff hett dem slap bang inna face. I se begenn fer feel sorry der dae islen, cos not one a dem gutta balls fer ell make one decision. We pay dem plenty money each fortnight fer sti doen shuffle dem paper. Nort oonie d Government either - plenty dem in Admin. Dem get rid of dar gael who was hetten close to d truth - dar CEO - dem se sack ett cos she was kicken butt!! Norfolk se had ett fer wae dar Assembly se do. We all gwen believe Connell en Kennedy se gutt d sack when dem get orn dar plane. Plenty sullun wishen David Buffett gwen lorng fer dem.

Musa time fe put Focus 2002 in Kingston archives. Yorlye better be ready for Focus 2003 - dem all resting at the moment, but come January 1st yorlye prepare for the fireworks. Also get ready for Hospital Drama continuation - David Connell might just front up with the computer wiped clean of any incriminating evidence. Keep up the fight and let them know you mean business. Have a terrific New Year and hope dem down Kingston get a rocket up them to do the right thing by all. Maybe if David Buffett take dar beard off gwen think a bit clearer!

Hi, just a quick note saying I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas, and if anyone who remembers me is heading over to Tamworth for the Country Music Festival in late January, please feel free to email me, I'd love to see you for a beer and a chat. Merry Christmas!! Ellie Shaw, Tammers.

Merry Xmas from Paris, France http://perso.wanadoo.fr/einfachso/

Phew christmas eve and its sweltering hot! Just wanted to take the time to wish all who reside on Norfolk a happy time for you all this Christmas.Looking forward to the start of another year, brand new dreams of the future. Hope 2003 brings with it new ways of thinking to save your lifestyle and culture and feelings of solidarity,pride and hope.Keep heart, stay strong with what you beleive in. Please remember not ALL outsiders mean to cause you greif don't be so quick to shoot them down and paint them all with the same brush.

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Wishing all in Paradise a very Merry Christmas and good luck in the New Year. Hope you can all put behind you what seems to have been a dreadful year, try working together and stop the rot that has been displayed on this Forum. It appears that all is not well on your island so make the effort and save the island from further ruin. Appreciate what you have you could quite easily lose your Paradise

Another idiot!

How are the hospital problems being addressed? Or have those in the hot seat knocked off for Christmas. May I also add the murder of Janelle Patton is still not solved 9 months have drifted by without a result. And you call that local policing? I know the tests have to be done in Australia but I ask who is really on the case on NI? As a previous entry states 3 police on the job and they can't keep control of petty crime so what chance have you got that they will apprehend someone for the murder? Seems they are all there for an extended holiday stuff the policing.

Another article to read at http://www.alicesprings.com.au/0835.html Article Sleep in the Bush: Salvos Best Advice ... mentions David Connell input. A far cry from managing a dormitory for Aboriginal homeless to managing the one and only hospital on NI. Perhaps he thought he would be further dealing with islanders (meaning of the aboriginal kind) and he can push you all around. Take a stand ... make sure that he indeed has the best qualifications to do the job at your hospital.

The web site as requested http://www.ruralhealth.org.au/partyline0902.pdf His letter is on page 6 of the newspaper. You have to read through it to realise he is apparently feeling the pressure from some quarters on the island.

Thanks for the info. Have looked around for the mag and site but can't find anything on the web. Are you able to let us know the web site if there is one?? It may well help the island and its Government. Thanks again.

Sorry Magazine is Rural Health. Folks you need someone in charge at the Hospital - who stays on the job and who is highly qualified to manage the place. If you pay peanuts you will always get monkeys.

The letter written by David Connell can be found in the Rural Heath Magazine in September. Maybe life in the Alice as an under study to the director was not his idea of paradise. Guess he hasn't found paradise over there either.

All of these jobs are advertised and people apply for them. They are interviewed and chosen from a limited number of applicants. After all, Norfolk isn't exactly a career move for a Doctor or any other professional person. Resumes with Norfolk Island on them are not in great demand on the mainland! Country towns in Australia have problems attracting Doctors and other professionals, much less Norfolk. This rubbish about tax free dollars is just that ...rubbish. Unless you are being paid mainland salary, there is no advantage in being tax free when the salary is a third of what is paid to professional elsewhere. As for "stars and stripes" gained on Norfolk for the AFP...get real!

What is an assistant director of a Anglican hostel for homeless aboriginals in Alice Springs who was also involved in the mental health area doing as Director of Norfolk Island Hospital? Maybe the Tax Free Dollars perhaps? Noted in an article he wrote for one of the Alice Springs papers since his arrival on Norfolk he states that he is having problems from some quarters in the new job. His wife also can't get her silk articles dry like in the Alice, due to climate change. Also mentions his wife is not retired as she has taken up a part time job at the University on your island. Why couldn't this job have been offered to Norfolk Islanders? They want the jobs over there but then bitch about their lot in mainland newspapers. Perhaps he has run back to the Alice for Christmas in the donga.

Am I to understand that Ronny is having a two-way bet? Jumps ship whenever the heats on! Interesting to learn that a Public servant is working from home, another case of two sets of rules. Who the devil is calling the shots down town? Maybe Mr. Connell is off shore applying for another job - he might need to when the mob greet him on his return. Perhaps he will return on Christmas Eve and play Santa or perhaps he's claiming frequent flyer points under the name of Santa Claus or Dasher!

I have one word for you ....... SIMPLE!

WHAT A SAD DAY, RONNY IS NOW IN BED WITH BROWNY

yep....... you lot have really lost the plot

How amazing – we hear on the Assembly just now that the Hospital Director is on leave again. Far out this dude is never here. No doubt he’ll claim more frequent flyer points for his dog!! Does he have a different contract of employment to everyone else on Norfolk?? He’s been here 5 bloody minutes, and he is off island again. No wonder we the public are sick to death of the way the imported experts get away with stuff and do just what they want to do, yet we locals have to justify every move we make. No wonder there is so much division. Also hear that the HR Officer from Admin works from home. Are all Public Servants given the opportunity to work from home? Not a bad employment contract that we pay for. The inconsistencies are a JOKE.

Interesting question asked in the Parliament today. David Buffett was asked if it was a fact that the Hospital Director’s computer has vanished form his office at the Hospital, and when a Hospital Board member reported it to the Police, they didn’t want to have any part of it. Mmmmmmm, it seems there’s even corruption between the cops and the Director. The whole Hospital debacle is very questionable. And if in fact David Buffett finds that this incident has occurred, then this should be enough ammo to not only sack the Director, but the responsible Police as well. The cops (3 of them) are here on a damn well paid holiday (have been for years), because if they were doing their jobs properly, there wouldn’t be so much petty crime here. Years ago we managed quite nicely with just one cop. The population hasn’t altered that much. Norfolk is a great place to earn points for “stars and stripes”.

I think it is about time that the Hospital get a clean sweep andstop this Fung nonsense. Lets face it, you dont end up in court if you havent done anything wrong. Its just that you can get of on a technicality or the judge that tried you is in a hurry to return to Ozz. I say its time for Fung to move on and all you people that are stirring the hornets nest out there pull your heads in and have a good Xmas. Assembly Ministers wives should not be involved in politics like this anyway. Do you not think that you may be embarrasing your husband I say advertise now for a new Doctor, there are many of vthem out there and have a good look at the hospital as a whole. Lets face it the staff up there have never got on with any manager in the past 6 years so maybe the problem is a bit deeper rooted.

Too bad Norfolk Island Hospital seems to be heading down the same path as NSW Health run Hospitals. Get off your bums and protest to what is going on over there. Get the numbers and march on Kingston Administration and demand that you get what you want don't be sweet talked by MP's they are only in those positions for what they can get out of it themselves - very good at wasting money and stuffing up the works. DEMAND TO BE HEARD .... MUTINY FOLKS - JUST LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS DID ... CAST THE MP'S ADRIFT JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO BLIGH ON THE BOUNTY. POWER TO THE PEOPLE - TAKE BACK CONTROL OF YOUR ISLAND BEFORE IT IS STUFFED BY THESE IDIOTS.

Too bad Norfolk Island Hospital seems to be heading down the same path as NSW Health run Hospitals. Get off your bums and protest to what is going on over there. Get the numbers and march on Kingston Administration and demand that you get what you want don't be sweet talked by MP's they are only in those positions for what they can get out of it themselves - very good at wasting money and stuffing up the works. DEMAND TO BE HEARD .... MUTINY FOLKES - JUST LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS DID ... CAST THE MP'S ADRIFT JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO BLIGH ON THE BOUNTY. POWER TO THE PEOPLE - TAKE BACK CONTROL OF YOUR ISLAND BEFORE IT IS STUFFED BY THESE IDIOTS.

Bob, just to set the record straight, the ambulance & staff were there to partake in the protest march. They were there because they wanted to be not because they were asked.

So sad to see what is happening with your Hospital Management etc. Keep up the pressure on the Health Minister - he should resign for his behaviour on this issue. Can't say that he will because he always seems to have been involved somehow in Norfolk matters and got into power there on many occasion, also seeing that his immediate family and close family ties have been well catered for with jobs in Admin. Even going as far as protecting the family his sister has married into re sexual matters (well documented). How can he be objective when he has too many ties with local families.

Sad to say it Carolyn but Norfolk has all of the lovelies too - corruption, crime, drugs - we even had a murder! These things are not a reflection of Norfolk Island they are a fact of life - they are perhaps human nature - evils motivated by greed. Relating this to the current issue - what was the motivation for a changed contract - greed??? Its well known that greed gets people in a mess and guess what that extends to Norfolk Island too. As I said earlier lets stop blaming everyone else and if we want Dr. Foong back in the chair lets be humble enough to say please forgive Dr. Foong and see that he be given the trust he had, again.

It is extremely sad to read some of the submissions on this forum in relation to your health issues. What is going on? I didn't think there would be corruption on your gorgeous island - but obviously there is. You have a lovely island, and it is good to see the locals looking out for each other. It was interesting reading the entry previous to mine from one of Ucklun. It is true and fair to be consistent. If you march for one, march for all. If in fact you have the expertise on your island to carry out these positions, then why isn't your Government ensuring the jobs go to your people?? These are the sorts of issues that cause division within communities. I know - I live here in Australia and I'm sure you all watch the news and read the papers. Politics can be very technical at times. It would be a very daunting time for the pregnant Mums and Dads to be given the fact you are so isolated on Norfolk. I have to ask – if there is so little faith in Dr Kennedy – has anyone actually seen his credentials and documentation stating he is a Doctor? There’s a thought for you all. It would appear there is a great deal of doubt in his ability to practice, so all he needs to do is to show his Registration papers. If in fact the Director of your hospital claimed frequent flyer points for his dog, and has “misplaced” $300,000 – then why is he still employed? Finally, if Dr Foong has been tried and all allegations thrown out of court, can someone tell me and everyone else on this forum what exactly was he charged for?? One would think a Chief Magistrate would know what he was doing – after all that is his certified trade. Thank you for allowing me to add to this forum. It may not mean anything, but I love Norfolk and I hate to think there is corruption there.

It is extremely sad to read some of the submissions on this forum in relation to your health issues. What is going on? I didn't think there would be corruption on your gorgeous island - but obviously there is. You have a lovely island, and it is good to see the locals looking out for each other. It was interesting reading the entry previous to mine from one of Ucklun. It is true and fair to be consistent. If you march for one, march for all. If in fact you have the expertise on your island to carry out these positions, then why isn't your Government ensuring the jobs go to your people?? These are the sorts of issues that cause division within communities. I know - I live here in Australia and I'm sure you all watch the news and read the papers. Politics can be very technical at times. It would be a very daunting time for the pregnant Mums and Dads to be given the fact you are so isolated on Norfolk. I have to ask – if there is so little faith in Dr Kennedy – has anyone actually seen his credentials and documentation stating he is a Doctor? There’s a thought for you all. It would appear there is a great deal of doubt in his ability to practice, so all he needs to do is to show his Registration papers. If in fact the Director of your hospital claimed frequent flyer points for his dog, and has “misplaced” $300,000 – then why is he still employed? Finally, if Dr Foong has been tried and all allegations thrown out of court, can someone tell me and everyone else on this forum what exactly was he charged for?? One would think a Chief Magistrate would know what he was doing – after all that is his certified trade. Thank you for allowing me to add to this forum. It may not mean anything, but I love Norfolk and I hate to think there is corruption there.

See you all at the assembly tomorrow. This is our chance to show the assembly how we feel. After all the wanton lies and procrastination of those with the power to stop this situation I see only one outcome that will benefit the health of Norfolk Island. That involves the removal of the hospital director and Dr Kennedy.Our nursing staff have been saying this for months - they are trained professionals in the know!. The assembly needs to act now, and we the people who have had our heathcare compromised and our valuable dollars wasted, need to remember come next election who lied, who passed the buck and who failed to act. I hope the expectant mothers get the care they deserve here on Norfolk. I have had an emergency cesaerean at the Norfolk Island hospital and can assure you that Damien Foong is better off in charge of it, than the minister for heath, chief minister or any of the board that are currently responsible for your heathcare. Please support this protest action and put the qualified competent people back in charge of our health!.

Hey Yorlye - I se back orn ya!! It is really great to see all this support for Damien Foong because I know personally he is an excellent Doctor with many talents that we have not seen since the days of Ros Terry who was brilliant (and again, they got rid of her because she was good). I am a strong supporter of Damien and believe he and his family have been unfairly treated, but I have to say we were having a few beers after work last week and chatting about this current Health fiasco, and I have to say I (along with my mates) am amazed that no one did a protest march when Toon didn’t get the job of Chief Executive Officer, and he is a local! No one arranged a march when Colin White missed out on the dental job, yet HEAPS OF US know he is the best dentist Norfolk has ever had, and WE ALL wanted him back there. He saved me and my kids heaps by doing the job on island. I have told Colin and heaps of other people (who agree) that he is by far the best Dentist we’ve had here. Ok, so he’s not a local, so what?? He (like many others) is a GEP and I believe is engaged to a local lady and has made Norfolk his home. So come on, let’s be consistent. If we do for one, do for all. Let’s look after our people and their talents as well. I am however, also very concerned about the pregnant Mums who must be under a lot of stress at present with all this crap going on. We must feel compassion for these ladies and their husbands or partners. Why should they have to leave this island to have their babies?? I wouldn’t want to be in David Buffetts’ shoes or Connell or Kennedy’s if anything went wrong. It is disgraceful for the way in which the entire Hospital saga has been allowed to go on due to mismanagement and incompetence and the lack of balls!!!. If we had locals doing these jobs in the first place, none of this current crap would be going on. We would have a decent Director who would not take us all for a skate by ripping us off, nor a doctor who wouldn’t know a flu if it slogged him in the gob!! PATHETIC. I reckon the best thing is to:- sack Buffett, Connell, Kennedy en all dem tether one down a town, and put in another Minister (preferably with balls), David McCowan or John Christian and Director, Toon back as our CEO, Colin as our Dentist and this would immediately save US THE COMMUNITY megabucks – BUT oh no, it is easier to continue to bring in the “experts???” from off shore, and do our very best to run this island into the ground. I think after all that has happened and been aired in the paper, this forum and out in the community, all those concerned (Connell, Kennedy, Buffett & co) have a bloody hide hanging around and not feeling any way. Yorlye cah feel naresy!! If I was in a very small community such as this and got treated the way those mentioned above have been and still are – I would be on the first plane out of here!! But as the saying goes – NO BRAIN NO PAIN!! I hope everyone turns out at Assembly on Wednesday in protest. Good luck and well done. By the way – I am an islander with heaps of courage, but still wish to remain anonymous. My Personal Choice. HAVE A MERRY AND SAFE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR.

Concerned patient dont underestimate my compassion for the expectant parents who until recently have had the services of Dr. Foong. As a parent my heart genuinely goes out to these people. My point is that Dr. Foong was prepared to plead guilty to a charge of fraud. He was prepared to admit to lying and cheating. One does not admit to such serious allegation in a Court of Law if one is not guilty. Now Dr. Foong knowing the status of his patients (duration of pregnancy) resigned. Why did he resign when he was cleared of all charges. Was he thinking of the people who are now so vigourously campaigning for his re-instatement. Strange if you think he was. Blaming management of the Hospital or Government has become a clever (and emotive) way of covering the fact - he cheated, then lied - changed his mind and admitted to it. Then he resigned and again changed his mind. Dr. Foong was wrong and prepared to admit it. Dont blame anyone but Dr. Foong for that. Your campaign should be based therefore on "Please forgive Dr. Foong". Looking closer to our own doorstep - if a local is caught acting illegally in the course of their employment what happens - they lose their job and then face the challenge of trying to hold their head up, let alone find another job, within their own community. Like I said, Dr. Foong may very well be a wonderful Doctor. The fact is that if you are prepared to overlook his admission of misconduct including lying in the first place, well then be prepared to accept the precedent. I for one have a very good memory. In the interim, seeing as this community rallied so passionately for Dr. Fletcher and Dr. Davies, why cant one or both of these martyrs return the respect and make themselves available for the ladies due to have babies. They are not beyond recall in an emergency and if they are well then maybe its time to review their contracts too. We locals must stop fighting each other - instead we must insist that the code of conduct for any employment in Norfolk Island is consisitent regardless of profession or immigration status.

Go back to square one, please reread my letter to the "Norfolk Islander". The intent of this letter was to highlight my concerns that, any group of people, no matter how small, that has any matters to take up with the Legislative Assembly, or any other Body, whether it be, removing F.I.L., abolishing Fuel Tax, banning Jet Ski's from Emily Bay, sacking a Minister, getting rid of low flying Aircraft, loud music, noisy Motor Bikes etc, etc,[this list could go on for ever and ever],is now able to conduct a street march FULLY ESCORTED BY POLICE AND AMBULANCE STAFF AND VEHICLES [W.O.F.T.A.M]. After all the PRECEDENT has been SET. Thank you all for your input, have a Happy and Safe Christmas. Signed Bob Crane

Go back to square one, please reread my letter to the "Norfolk Islander". The intent of this letter was to highlight my concerns that, any group of people, no matter how small, that has any matters to take up with the Legislative Assembly, or any other Body, whether it be, removing F.I.L., abolishing Fuel Tax, banning Jet Ski's from Emily Bay, sacking a Minister, getting rid of low flying Aircraft, loud music, noisy Motor Bikes etc, etc,[this list could go on for ever and ever],is now able to conduct a street march FULLY ESCORTED BY POLICE AND AMBULANCE STAFF AND VEHICLES [W.O.F.T.A.M]. After all the PRECEDENT has been SET. Thank you all for your input, have a Happy and Safe Christmas. Signed Bob Crane

Go back to square one, please reread my letter to the "Norfolk Islander". The intent of this letter was to highlight my concerns that, any group of people, no matter how small, that has any matters to take up with the Legislative Assembly, or any other body,whether it be, removing F.I.L., abolishing fuel tax, Banning Jet Ski's from Emily Bay, sacking a Minister, getting rid of low flying Aircraft, loud music, noisy Motor Bikes etc. etc. [the list can go on and on forever],is now to conduct a Street March, FULLY ESCORTED BY POLICE AND AMBULANCE STAFF AND VEHICLES. After all the precedent has been set. Thank you all for your input. Have a happy and safe Christmas. Signed Bob Crane.

Go back to square one, please reread my letter to the "Norfolk Islander". The intent of this letter was to highlight my concerns that, any group of people, no matter how small, that has any matters to take up with the Legislative Assembly, or any other body,whether it be, removing F.I.L., abolishing fuel tax, Banning Jet Ski's from Emily Bay, sacking a Minister, getting rid of low flying Aircraft, loud music, noisy Motor Bikes etc. etc. [the list can go on and on forever],is now to conduct a Street March, FULLY ESCORTED BY POLICE AND AMBULANCE STAFF AND VEHICLES. After all the precedent has been set. Thank you all for your input. Have a happy and safe Christmas. Signed Bob Crane.

COMMUNITY NOTICE There will be a further protest WEDNESDAY 18TH DECEMBER 2002 outside the LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY BUILDING AT 12NOON for all concerned about the community's healthcare and the reinstatement of Dr Foong. Please show your support in an extremely important issue that involves every one of us.

COMMUNITY NOTICE There will be a further protest WEDNESDAY 18TH DECEMBER 2002 outside the LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY BUILDING AT 12NOON for all concerned about the community's healthcare and the reinstatement of Dr Foong. Please show your support in an extremely important issue that involves every one of us.

Hello If you know my brother Nick Jørgensen, please ask him to send me an email adress, so i can send him a Christmas greeting this way. Thank You and merry Chrismas Kristian Jørgensen

Please note 'Restored Faith' that there you are quite incorrect in saying that all Foong supporters don't have names. Didn't you read the Norfolk Islander dated 7th December where there were 3 letters to the editor. One from myself and I certainly wasn't ashamed to put my name to my letter. There were also two others from John Christian and a third from Gayleen Snell and Marlene Nobbs. We certainly weren't afraid to show our faces in the protest March last Thursday ,when we walked through Burnt Pine for all to see. Perhaps you should have a think about the motives of the March. We were screaming for justice, for proper Healthcare on Norfolk Island and that dear Restored Faith, includes EVERYONE not just the select few that have the guts to stand up, fight for our rights and be counted. NB. There were also 5 letters in last weeks paper from 'Foong Supporters', ALL identified and not scared to put their name to their letters of concern. Like Paul Evans said, you are not the one to be facing childbirth without yoour doctor and without a fully competent and qualified surgeon practising at the hospital. If we have to fly to the mainland to give birth, you won't be the one to not spend Christmas with your family. Yesterday, 16 December, there was a serious car accident and a child born up at the Norfolk Island Hospital. We have up there at the moment; Dr Daniel Kennedy as CMO, Dr Gary Lewis (locum) and Dr Damien Foong. You want to know who attended both incidents and treated all ...... DR DAMIEN FOONG!!! And this is the very reason we will continue to fight for justice, this won't blow over!

Well done Restored Faith, you have really proven yourself haven't you! You say we haven't the balls to stand up and be counted yet you hide behined an anon name! It is not often I ever get involved in politics, but this is one fight that effects me and believe you me you too! I hope you have enough money to cover your medical expenses when you have to be sent overseas for medical treatment? Its obvious that you are not a pregnant expectant mum who has had a doctor that has dedicated his term here to caring for their patient only to be stripped of his duties at a stroke of a pen. With no explaination! Its not your health that is being placed at risk, because there is a chance that there will be no doctor capable of delivering your baby through caesarian section. ButI tell you this much you will pay, when the Norfolk Island has to call in a medical evacuation team, you will pay when people decide to sue the hospital! Read the Hospital Act 1985 Section 7, and you will see that the Minister is not adhearing to the Act. Attend a meeting and be lied to by our Chief Minister,Minister for health and members of the hospital board, that by the way are members of the assembly, and you will see why we are fighting for justice. RF Don't underestimate our numbers. Think again!

Better sort out all the problems up dar Hospital. If I have an accident trying to fit down dem chimney's on Norfolk - or my reindeers do too much jumping over Norfolk's Pinetrees and break a leg there had better be medical help available or I nor gwen come your way. Just keep the Hospital plotters away from me. You David Buffett will cop the reindeer mess right on your head brother!!!

I was at Hillies this afternoon with my wife who is due to have our baby on the 27th of this month, How would you feel if the only doctor that would deliver our baby has been suspended from the Hospital due to there own mismanagement, Minister Buffett said its a clerical error ( MAKES YOU WONDER ) SO RESTORED FAITH Im in the phone book give me a ring.

To "restored faith",I was going to ring you to invite you to our next meeting at Hillies regarding Norfolk's Hospital but I wasn't sure whether to look in the phone book under R or F.

Can someone please till us what it is that Dr Foong has surpost to have done that is bad.

Good on yer Bob. You have restored my faith. I was beginning to think that no-one on Norfolk Island had a name. Isn't it interesting that all Foong supporters are anonymous. They talk about the Minister having no testacles. Not one of them have stood up to be counted. As you say they are a small group of the total population. Also interesting to see a supporters meeting at Hillies today. They all fitted round one table. Why do they sling mud and hide behind behind their computers. At least you stood up to be counted Bob. Good on yer.

Bravo Bob"Bill Payer"Crane,it looks like your only two mates on Norfolk have stuck up for you and your ignorant opinions.Did it ever occur to you that this whole hospital issue is not just about Dr Foong,but more importantly about the corruption and mal-practice that is going on up there,along with the governments lies and attempted cover up of the situation.Cant you see that the Colonel(David Buffett),Connell and Kennedy need to go,along with the entire hospital board,for the sake of everyone on Norfolk.Isnt always the way,unless it effects you personally you dont really care,thats until you get sick of course.That will probably account for about 1000 residents.So pull your head out of your backside Bob Crane and pray you dont get sick,and with a bit of luck Dr Foong might rightfully get reinstated(after all he is innocent)and surgically remove that penis on your forehead.

Well I have just caught up with forum.... Chief Minister your nose should be 10 foot long, You knew all about this disgusting debacle from the very start and my letters dated and submitted to the Privacy Commissioner in Aus, prove just that. Yes I am still going ahead with my complaint . Your answer to me when I asked what would happen next wa one word "NOTHING" You knew all along. You are a disgrace. Lets have a good look at some key players in this " B Grade Movie " scenario. Vicki Jack made her interest quite clear very early in the piece and it wasn't on the side of justice. Wonder how you would feel if it was one of your family being accused of something they didn't do ? Good old Chloe shot her mouth off for all to hear over the radio during an assembly broadcast and was pulled into line and made a fool of by John Brown. George rang me at least twice and nice as he is, his attitude was that if we all just let things go, it would work itself out. maybe he thought he was an ostrich ... David Buffet shame on you. You are not interested in Justice and none of you seem to comprehend TWO SUPREME COURT DECISIONS IN DAMIEN'S FAVOUR . hello, is anyone home. Norfolk is beautiful as are her people and they deserve better. The board, well except for Sheila, you all played your part in this disgraceful behaviour helped cost the Island megabucks in a futile unwinnable campaign and some even spread the most vicious gossip and racial slurs. It is all in the minutes... They say it is not over until the fat lady sings and I hear her in rehearsal. This will be cleaned up. Now to the Hospital Director and "Butch" What can I say, Just as well Kennedy won't deliver babies, it is called "quit while you are ahead" would you want him near your family. Connell, you are something else. all I can say is you are a poor excuse for a human being and after all this is over, who will be left to sort out the mess... Once again the people of Norfolk as usual and you having got all your lurks and perks will go off to some other poor unsuspecting place as will "Butch". Why second people from off island when you have qualified locals... No one is perfect but if a local is qualified then why can't they have the job. The others walk away and don't give a "Rats". What business is it of mine ? I am involved because of the privacy issue and never doubted Damiens innocence for one second and I am not knocking Norfolk or her people, because as far as I can see all the key players apart a few members of the board were all born elsewhere, even you David. Recognition must be given to the two ladies who are determined to see justice done and the Assembly members and we know who they are for their quest for truth and justice Congratulations Ron John and Grahame .Like their politics or not, they are willing to stand up and be counted.

My submission was in reply to a submission from "FUMING ISLANDER AND RESIDENT". At no point in time did I state or make and inference to the effect that I was an "Islander"{or resident for that matter}. However I am happy that you accepted the context of the submission, but only objected to me signing it. Had it been Boonie who signed it, there would, apparently, not have been a problem. The sole purpose of the submission was to correct"Fuming Islander and Resident" assumption that the letter to the "NORFOLK ISLANDER" had been written by "a former disgruntled Hospital Board member". Further I do not consider one letter to the paper in NINE YEARS is having too much to say. Finally, please reread the final sentence of my original submission to "Fuming Islander and Resident". Signed Bob Crane {Neither Fuming or an Islander} {Thankyou "ESTOLLEY" and "A LOCAL" for your Input it is appreciated}

My submission was in reply to a submission from "FUMING ISLANDER AND RESIDENT". At no point in time did I state or make and inference to the effect that I was an "Islander"{or resident for that matter}. However I am happy that you accepted the context of the submission, but only objected to me signing it. Had it been Boonie who signed it, there would, apparently, not have been a problem. The sole purpose of the submission was to correct"Fuming Islander and Resident" assumption that the letter to the "NORFOLK ISLANDER" had been written by "a former disgruntled Hospital Board member". Further I do not consider one letter to the paper in NINE YEARS is having too much to say. Finally, please reread the final sentence of my original submission to "Fuming Islander and Resident". Signed Bob Crane {Neither Fuming or an Islander} {Thankyou "ESTOLLEY" and "A LOCAL" for your Input it is appreciated}

I have one question for 'A Local' who makes the comment of plenty more fish in the sea, time to move on ....... Who will you go to right now should you need emergency surgery? With whom does your faith lay? Remember Dr Fletcher, as good as he is, isn't up at the hospital until the 16th January and please remember he isn't employed as a surgeon, he is the anethetist. It may be worth your while for you to show a bit of compassion to all the patients, in particular, the pregnant ones due to give birth in a week and two weeks time, that find nothing but dedication and efficiency in Dr Damien Foong. Remember he had TWO dismissed court cases and one majority 'no confidence' vote from the staff on his side. He has attempted to compromise so he can stay and treat people while the 'review', 'inquiry', 'process' etc etc is carried out and still this isn't good enough for the procrastinators down town. Even if you haven't been treated by Dr Foong, show some compassion for those that have, and there is more than 'a few'. After all, we are supposed to be a close knit loving community aren't we?

Unbelieveable!!. Nothing was expected from the castrated minister responsible for health. A person who will not take a stand against peadophilia is unlikley to develop morals over the mistreatment of a Doctor and the mismanagement of a hospital. Our chief minister is a dissapointment - I wasn't aware that we had a Doctor willing and licensed to perform castration since they suspended Dr Foong. Please let our members know how you feel - spend the money on stamps and e-mails to the assembly - dont let them claim they did not know! - Remember ignoarnce and arrogance are only a slip of the toung apart.

In bob cranes defence , when he says "fuming islander", I think he is referring to a previuos forum entry, and not himself

150 people at the march/ protest. Maybe 30 people at Friday's "supposed" meeting down the Assembly. 1600 residents. Something tells me a significant proportion of this community arent getting behind the accusations. Does that mean that perhaps Dr. Foong is a wonderful Doctor but accountable like the rest of us for his misdemeanors - after all he was going to plead guilty to one of the charges (fraud) was he not. Then again the quiet might mean that there more than a few of us who agree with "Bill Payer". Well done Bob for having the guts to firstly say it and then answer the challenge of identity. Time to move on - plenty more fish in the sea.

Bob Crane you aint an islander. Too many of your kind having too much to say over there no wonder the place is in a mess. Now if Boonie was having all the say I would say good on ya - now there is a gentleman of the old kind.

Since when have you suddenly become an islander? Yes you are married to and islander but no you aint no islander just a resident by marriage mate.

Just for the record, this forum is 24 hours behind. For instance, it is 7.56pm Sunday Night, 15th December 2002. I bet it shows a different time. Hope this helps.

I note your submisson is dated on Fri 13/12/02 timed 18.30.51 - Your first sentence starter " I can't believe what was in the Norfolk Islander when I read it this morning" Given that the public were informed via "Radio Norfolk" that the paper would not be available until around 9am on Saturday 13/12/02 - I would how you obtained access to my letter 24 hours earlier. As for the signing of my letter "Bill Payer, President W.O.F.T.A.M (as printed in the Norfolk Islander) Your interpretation is totally incorrect. "W.O.F.T.A.M stands for WASTE OF FINANCES, TIME AND MACHINERY". I will however concede that after the word "President" - I should have stated "self appointed". As far as not "not having the guts to put your real name to the letter, you may be assured my real name was included on the orginial as submitted to the "Norfolk Islander". After "W.O.F.T.A.M" the next line read (A.K.A Bob Crane) Feel free to check this out with the Editors. Now show us your guts and put your name on your response (if any) Bob Crane

I note your submisson is dated on Fri 13/12/02 timed 18.30.51 - Your first sentence starter " I can't believe what was in the Norfolk Islander when I read it this morning" Given that the public were informed via "Radio Norfolk" that the paper would not be available until around 9am on Saturday 13/12/02 - I would how you obtained access to my letter 24 hours earlier. As for the signing of my letter "Bill Payer, President W.O.F.T.A.M (as printed in the Norfolk Islander) Your interpretation is totally incorrect. "W.O.F.T.A.M stands for WASTE OF FINANCES, TIME AND MACHINERY". I will however concede that after the word "President" - I should have stated "self appointed". As far as not "not having the guts to put your real name to the letter, you may be assured my real name was included on the orginial as submitted to the "Norfolk Islander". After "W.O.F.T.A.M" the next line read (A.K.A Bob Crane) Feel free to check this out with the Editors. Now show us your guts and put your name on your response (if any) Bob Crane

Reading the previous submissions should make Gardner, Buffett, Jack, Nicholas, Connell and Kennedy hang their heads in utter disgrace and shame. To think some of us were stupid enough to vote you dickheads in. Yes dickheads and I mean that. If any of you had a brain or care about this island and its people AND NOT THE F.....G money, you would remove your blinkers and insert some hearing aids. What BULL S H I T Gardner reckoning he knew nothing about the hospital dilemma. HELLO Geoff what planet are you on??? you are our leader and very Assembly meeting and Saturday paper and even this forum states that there are problems. Geoff how could you be so blatently blooody stupid to admit your own ignorance, and in fact shoot yourself in the foot because you sure as S H I T aint getting in again, so I suggest start learning about plants again. You and your merry men are a damn disgrace to this island and politics. I hope Wilson Tuckey wets himeslf when he hears about all of this. What a joke all of you mentioned in this entry are to us, the people of Norfolk. Give up the B U L L S H I T Geoff and be a Chief Minister and TRY to lead your Government. MAybe we should elect 9 school students to run this island??? I bet they would do a better job because at least they have an education!! COME ON NORFOLK ISLAND................STAND UP FOR WHAT IS OURS AND OUR RIGHTS. BRING ON THE PETITION TO GET RID OF THOSE MENTIONED IN HERE. Does anyone have an address for a place that might sell B A L L S?? Maybe we can import some for some of our Assembly boys AND girls. Also,...I wouldn't let Danny Kennedy look at a dissected worm - he would vow it is in one piece!!

Doctor, Doctor I se sick ..... who gwen come? Fletcher nor gwen dars for sure -"FOONG for though - eh?

Maybe a certain person has gone off the island to use up a few more frequent flyer points - or maybe the mob are after him so he thought he'd make a quick exit till things settle down!! He should hang his head in shame as should Mr. Buffett who didn't have the decency to front those who had questions to be answered. What a coward!

I need to understand something. There was a Doctor who was the Med Super. He got charged with a crime (at a moments notice- it appears) then later, charges were dropped. Right, so, he goes back to work.(One would assume) As HE HADN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG IN THE BEGINNING he should go back to the job that he was doing before being wrongfully charged. BUT NO....why not????????????????? David Buffet and Co.want Danny Kennedy as Med. Super. Danny isn't really in Damien Foongs league as far as Doctoring goes a bit sad, but true. It's not really Danny's fault- maybe he came the bottom of his Med.class...doesn't mean he shouldn't be a Doctor. He can't perform operations, at all, doesn't know a lot about obstetrics I hear, but that's ok. He can stil be a G.P.....preferably not here! But,it seems strange that David Connell (who by the way is a Manager not a medically trained Director) THINKS ITS QUITE OK TO HAVE A VERY VERY AVERAGE DOCTOR INCHARGE OF A VERY VERY ABOVE AVERAGE DOCTOR WITH EXPERIENCE SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE BEYOND THE SKOPE OF DOCTOR KENNEDY. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out why we're all angry here on Norfolk Island. It's a sorry sad (and going to be embarrassing)thing for Dr Kennedy but what I see happenning is that all his "botch ups" that have accurred since he's been here are going to come back and hit him full in the face.(Wal, Michelle- is your little daughter nearly losing her arm classified as a botch up? Nah- should really be called a crime, or an absolute total tradgedy or......)anyway If I was him I would have jumped on that plane (when the going gets hot- take a holiday folks)with David Connell last night. They could have discussed on the plane how "hot" things have got on that silly little Island- and talked about where they will "SET UP NEXT", who they can rip off next. How about Bali boys?????? That seems a vulnerable place right now.

I can't believe what was in the Norfolk Islander when I read it this morning. Why it is that after one petition for Dr Davies and Dr Fletcher, the community gets what it asks for. This time, we have TWO dismissed court cases, one petition, a protest march (first ever on Norfolk) and a followup meeting with SELECTED MLA's (suspicious or what) and we are still no further advanced and the community's requests are falling on deaf ears. Might I point out that the Minister for Health has written in his pathetic press release that Dr Damien Foong was offered a position as Medical Officer so that he could still see his patients including treating those that were pregnant. HOWEVER, David Buffett, you FAILED to mention the fact that this offer also stipulated that Dr Foong was unable to carry out surgical procedures. WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT!!!!!! As for 'Bill Payer's' letter to the editor, if I am to understand that correctly, it sounds like you are having a swipe at the protest march calling it a waste of **##! time and money. Sounds to me like a former disgruntled hospital board member who now must feel like a complete fool when all of their baseless allegations against Dr Foong were thrown out of court. Was this letter an attempt to make you feel better about yourself even though you didn't have the guts to put your real name to the letter! You should feel ashamed to show yourself in public. I hope you are confident in going to the 'Butcher from censored' Kennedy should you or your family fall ill. Why is it that the only person to show compassion and concern for the Island's health is the actual doctor that the Government is still attempting to get rid of.

I can't believe what was in the Norfolk Islander when I read it this morning. Why it is that after one petition for Dr Davies and Dr Fletcher, the community gets what it asks for. This time, we have TWO dismissed court cases, one petition, a protest march (first ever on Norfolk) and a followup meeting with SELECTED MLA's (suspicious or what) and we are still no further advanced and the community's requests are falling on deaf ears. Might I point out that the Minister for Health has written in his pathetic press release that Dr Damien Foong was offered a position as Medical Officer so that he could still see his patients including treating those that were pregnant. HOWEVER, David Buffett, you FAILED to mention the fact that this offer also stipulated that Dr Foong was unable to carry out surgical procedures. WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT!!!!!! As for 'Bill Payer's' letter to the editor, if I am to understand that correctly, it sounds like you are having a swipe at the protest march calling it a waste of **##! time and money. Sounds to me like a former disgruntled hospital board member who now must feel like a complete fool when all of their baseless allegations against Dr Foong were thrown out of court. Was this letter an attempt to make you feel better about yourself even though you didn't have the guts to put your real name to the letter! You should feel ashamed to show yourself in public. I hope you are confident in going to the 'Butcher from censored' Kennedy should you or your family fall ill. Why is it that the only person to show compassion and concern for the Island's health is the actual doctor that the Government is still attempting to get rid of.

You are a disgrace Mr Gardner. Together with Ms Chloe Nicholas, Ms Vicki Jack. Mr Gardner said that he could not act on any complaints as yesterday was the FIRST time he heard about (a) hospital problem (b) David Connell's bungles (3) Dr Daniel Kennedy's medical incompetence. The real situation. (a) Your Health Minister should have kept you and the Assembly up to speed. Previously Mr George Smith and now Mr David Buffett. (b)Are you hard or hearing or perhaps legally blind being unaware of the issues which were brought up during the Supreme Court Case in July 2002. Judgement handed down by the Chief Justice of Norfolk Island: Chief Justice Beaumont . May be you should read the judgement. Unless you are telling us your electorate that you did not read or care about the written judgement from Chief Justice Beaumont. Isn't this a written submission or a written document about the endemic problems with the hospital (c) A Minister tabled a documnent at the usual Assembly meeting in the afternoon 5 days ago: whereby problems with David Connell and Daniel Kennedy were documented and tabled. Are you still claiming ignorance? (d) As early as June 2002: the hospital matter was brought up at the wednesday's Assembly meeting. Perhaps your should look at the transcripts of the conversations. (e) Did George Smith resign? His resignation was linked to the multitude of problems at the hospital. Were you still unaware of this? Were you asleep at Assembly or formulating your fancy speeches about other issues like Focus 2002. (f) Numerous of us local residents, nursing staff etc have verbally informed you of the problems with David Connell and Daniel Kennedy. Are you still going to lie and say that you were unaware of the issues and the absence of problem documentation. (g) The recent criminal proceedings Dr Foong are available as transcript. The problems of the Director: David Connell, Daniel Kennedy and mismanagement arose. Isn't this documentation. Mr Gardner. You stood before the small but significant crowd: " I'm sorry but I have never been aware of these issues" further stating " Joy (Cochrance ) you need to put this down in writing before the Assembly can deal with this". Another statement you made " Please put them in writing so that we can examine them"

Seems those in power with their snouts in the trough run for cover when the heat is on is that right Mr. Minister for Health? Once again a big coverup - who is protecting who? Maybe there is another trough at the Hospital with a few snouts into it and they don't want to give up their access to that trough. Time you threw out the current lot at Kingston and had another vote. POWER TO THE PEOPLE - KEEP UP THE PRESSURE.

Come for a walk down memory lane as we watched Geoff Gardner ride big wave into power, based on health issues. As you took down the previous government becuase of their supposed refusal to "give the people the doctor they wanted" Shame on you Mr Gardner, looking into our believing eyes as you proclaimed "you had no idea of what Mr Connell had been up to" now you must explain!!! The buck stops with you, you were meant to be captain of the ship, the ship sprang many leaks today as you looked us in the eyes and Lied, Lied, Lied. Your ship is sinking. Fancy holding a meeting with only select MLA's. You and your process will not stop the wave of anger sweeping this Island. It's time for you to step down and go back to your family commitments (which is the reason you resigned from your ministerial position in the last government), or was that the real reason???? Were you just a sycophant, an opportunist looking for any excuse to have the government sacked???? Shame on you, now showing no interest in the serious health issues sweeping our Island. We have lost confidence in you Mr Gardner. You lied to us all, you are on a sinking ship. Where is the resolution!!!!!!!

this is %#@@@@ unreal. If what is said is true, we must have a referendum to get rid to this present assembly. your time will come. I suggest yous all goes and see Dr Foong and maybe he can do a cosmetic ball transplant!!!

Mr Geoff Gardner stood before the crowd and lied. Lies and lies. He hid behind the wall of ignorance, pretended he wasn't aware of the hospital trouble and blame the hospital staff for not letting him know especially in writing. Looked at eye straight in the eyes and LIED!!!!!! What is wrong with you Chief Minister. More proof of his lies will be out soon. The MLA met minus the full complement of Ministers and lied. Dr Foong has been refused reappointment has Medical Superintendent!!!!! Dr Kennedy is still allowed to be the Medical Superintendent!!!!! Mr Connell is still allowed to run amok and get up to his nonsense. Come on Norfolk . Stand up for the truth. No more lies. No more lies. This is a BIG COVER UP!!!!!. Ask Brian Buffettt, Kissard, Marlene Nobbs, Gayleen Snell, Budda, Janine Nobbs, Dr and Mrs Foong, Dot Salt, Possum, Melissa Snell, Martin Snell, Patricia Connelly, Peter Connelly etc, etc, who were present at this 4:30 pm meeting, Mr David Buffett did not even dare to make a presence. He hid behind the room of his office. Shame on you Mr Minister for Health. You are supposed to represent the people. You will never get voted in. Nor Mr Gardner, Ms Chloe Nicholas or Ms Vicki Jack. Mr Garder went and on and on about process, submissions, tenders, consultants, forthwith. Lots of talk and more bull-censored. But no action. Looks like another Minister who has been castrated. Maybe Doctor butcher at the hospital is cutting off balls!!!! Dr Butcher is no looking after sick people but cutting up balls. Maybe, we should set up our Island as a ball transplant island. Transplant balls to the Ministers. Joy Cochrane knelt on the ground and begged the Chief Minister to do something but he said he had process, no written documentation, no guts, no balls, no testicles, no courage, no honesty, no integrity. We voted for you BUT NEVER AGAIN!!!!!! YOUS are all disgrace to our island.

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Let ouwa know wathing happen down Kingston we anxiously wait the outcome, good for yorlye keeping up the pressure on Mr Buffett the king of Norfolk (nor dar likely - he only thought dar).

Time is definitely 4.30pm instead of 5pm.

Ent a good un fe se wae thing se come up ar hospetal, but ei how gled fe se ouwas sullen nor teken et layen down! Onie hoep we gwen ell tek dea saem passion en pud et ta good use fe sawe ouwas owen sullun, Norfolk lenguage, laend en ouwas islen. Who gwen tun up fe march fe dunna let dem outsidas en, fe stop all dem house gwen up all over, regulate laend prices, fe mek Norfolk complusory lenguage up maddlegaet?

Have just had an amazing holiday on Norfolk, and unfortunately missed the jazz. We knew about your problems with your Doctor,maybe it's selfish but we holidayed on regardless unaffected by it all. Such a heavenly Island. We don't blame you fighting for something thats important.Even if you do have tourists visiting. This is your home! Good on you all using this forum to express your views! That's what forums are for and you have encouraged each other with this powerful connection to march, and now to have a public "wait." Power to the people!!!! BEST OF LUCK!!!!!!!!

Uwwus mate doesn't want to lose his last set of b a l l s - so he se fraed. Tell you what, just pack a picnic basket and head down early as you like - it's free parking at Kingston - so pack your picnics folks, and head to Kingston. He cah dodge dah!

also hear from people that time change to 4:30pm in Kingston by David Buffett. avoding people hearing the news. what is the cover up?

LATEST NEWS!!!! I've heard that the decision time has now been changed by Mr David Buffett to 4:30pm. Rather than 5pm. Is Mr David Buffett trying to avoid the CROWD of NORFOLK PEOPLE????? Please check with those in know. This is what I heard that Mr David Buffet has changed the TIME OF HIS DECISION TO 4:30PM. Why is Mr David Buffett trying to avoid people of Norfolk???????

Decision will be made Friday 13th December at 5:00pm down Kingston Opposite Government House!!! See you ALL there.

EVERYONE TURN UP AT DAVID BUFFETT'S OFFICE IN KINGSTON. 5PM. DAVID BUFFETT MAKE DECISION???????????? TODAY. 5PM. FRIDAY. DECISION ABOUT OUR DOCTOR.

I notice that someone placed their say mentioning the fact that David Buffett is to make a decision today. It is today at 5pm and to all who feel they want to support, we should all go down to hear what our Minister has to say and to see where his priorities lay. Friday 13th December 5.00pm Kingston.

Well done to everyone who attended the march yesterday. It was a fantastic turn out and if all of those in power haven't got the message now, they are more blind than we realise. It will be very interesting to see just how much all that was said by those in attendance is carried out. It is very clear WE have been ripped off by Connell and Kennedy, and now is the time for David Buffett to say "on your bikes" - Aahhhhh but will he??? this is the 64 million dollar question - well if he doesn't, we head back to the polls, and sseing all the support for Damien Foong yesterday might just mean we the electorate say "on ya bikes" to the NIG. It is time the NIG realise they didn't get into the assembly on their own - WE the people of Norfolk vote them in, and we have the power to vote them out again by way of a referendum. So the Ministers decision will be very interesting. Ess up to you Kernal!

Thanks for your worry, but please save it because 99.9% of the people (doctors, directors,ceo etc etc) causing all the hassles here are Australians. We islanders have really had enough of being pushed and shoved around.

Given the state of affairs with the hospital, no wonder Australia wanst to take over!!

Wow....and the week started with someone worrying about paying an extra $20 for a pair of shoes!!!

Is it true that Mr David Buffett is making a public decision about the hospital matter? I hope to find out by turning up. At his office. Friday is it?? Can tourists attend?

12 December 2002. What a turn out!!!! We await your decision Mr David Buffett. Simple but honest decisions. (1) Will you reinstate Dr Foong as Medical Superintendent??? (2) Will you sack Mr David Connell??? (3) Will you sack Dr Daniel Kennedy??? These are not difficult decisions. You are the Minister. Appointed by the people and for the people. The whole Island and the whole world is watching. Listening. Will you do the honest and right thing by your electorate. EVERYBODY gather at Mr David Buffett's office tommorrow: 13th December 2002: Friday. We await your decision. The media of truth will be there. Signed. Honesty, Integrity, Justice and Truth.

Today on the streets of Norfolk, the people took to the streets in a demonstration march. The march was seeking to reinstate Dr Foong as the Medical Superintendent and to have both David connell and Dr Daniel Kennedy sacked from their current positions. After the march 'the peoples' of Norfolk held a public meeting with David Connell, Mr David Buffett and Chloe Nicholas. The locals spoke from their hearts. They called for anend to the corruption from David connell. Issues raised included 1. David Connell's dog allowance that he claimed. 2. David Connell's missing $300,000 3. David Connell's airline ticket that was billed to the hospital for his attendence at his school reunion 4. David Connell's malicious treatment of the Foongs, going to the police to make them defend charges that Chloe Nicholas is now calling 'a clerical error' 5. The action of the hospital board 6. Dr Daniel Kennedy's illegal appointment at the hospital 7. Dr Daniel Kennedy's illegal appointment as the Medical Superintendent 8. Dr Daniel Kennedy's appalling treatment of patients 9. David Connell's misbehaviour, and actions leading to a detrimental effect upon the hospital 10. David Connell's mental status 11. David Buffet's complete ignorance of the entire situation. (see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil) There was overwhelming support for the plight and position of Dr. Foong, they want to see him reinstated to his full Medical Superintendents position. The people want to see David Connell and Dr Daniel Kennedy sacked!!!! They await David Buffet's decision at 5pm Friday the 13th!!!! The deicision of David Buffet will take place at Kingston, all are welcome. "Honour Norfolk Island"

What a disgrace that matters of this nature are being aired on this forum. Instead of spending time putting down the ones involved, get out and see how many agree with you and go in force to the Administration demanding to be heard. If the whole island turned up at Kingston then they would really have something to think about!

While I agree to some extent with what you are saying, I would suggest that the reason you can't get it in the paper is because it's outright slander. It's not WHAT you're saying but HOW you are saying it. I believe that John Christian is also very much in agreeance with you & his letters have been published.

The Dr.Damien Foong fan club are very vocal, hope there is enough of them to see changes at the NI Hospital. What a mess !!!!

Yes your Tourist Industry will be affected if you don't take a stand and sort out all the internal problems i.e. Heath Matters, Administration Matters, Electoral Problems, Unsolved Murder Problems - clean the slate and perhaps your island will again be on the top of the list for tourists.

Excuse me but is anyone starting to wonder whether all the hate being generated is achieving anything other than telling the world to stay away from Norfolk Island. Yes we have a right to voice our opinion but does that right extend to putting the future of the island's economy at risk. I think Norfolk has copped its fair share of negative publicity in the last 8 months and we need to be mindful of that. Please yorylee think hard about the big picture.

Well hear thee hear thee!!! Tomorrow, Thursday is our big chance to put our money where our mouths are. There is a public march and protest for the way in which Dr Damien Foong has been treated. It is absolutely disgraceful that it has to come to this, but it is imperative that we show a certain few of “dem down the town” that we mean business, and can actually make decisions! What a pity they can’t. This will show everyone just what support we have for Dr Foong, and just how much we would like to see the end of Connell & Kennedy. Norfolk and the Hospital would be so much better off without these two. All they are doing is causing disruption, fear, hatred and anger within the community. I bet there were celebrations when they left their last posts (if they had one). Norfolk has been a great bouncing board fer plenty dem, and it is time the Norfolk Island Government realised that 99.9% of the electorate have just about had enough of their “fence sitting”. So come on Norfolk – if we all care and are concerned for the wellbeing of ourselves, friends and loved ones health, take part in this very important march tomorrow. Unfortunately I am unable to attend, but my thoughts and support are with all concerned. It is a pity it couldn’t have been held on Saturday – but dems d’ breaks!! All visitors to the island are invited to join in – the more the merrier. WHAT?: Public March WHEN?: Thursday 12 December 2002 TIME?: 12 Midday WHERE?: Norfolk Island RSL Club WHO FOR?: Everyone who has concerns about current Health/Hospital issues This is just the start of plenty more to come until those with the power get rid of the cause of all of these problems – David Connell & Danny Kennedy. Oppen Yorlyes Eye en Tekk Orff Dem Blinkas!! Ess surpisen wuthen one ell see when you do dae. D’ fraed – try ett.

Bravo Bravo Bravo!!! Damien Foong has been offered his position back, but at a slide! Yep, he will no longer be our Senior Medical Officer. They want to give all the power to the other dork who everyone has lost faith in. This is bloodie ridiculous, outrageous and disgraceful. WE ALL want Damien in the position he first canm here in. What is going on?? By putting him down in his role will open up the avenues for more harassment and evil acts from the Director and the Butcher (I think a butcher just might have heaps more skills)! We want Damien to be in charge up at our hospital. It is very clear that someone somewhere is petrified to take some action. Listen to the people for goodness sake - they want Connell and Kennedy OUT. That's O U T! Is there ever going to be a health Minister who will have the B A L L S to do his job?? This happens everytime. All previous health Ministers has never had the gutts to tell the Direcotr and Board who is boss. WHY?? Why continue to create mayhem instead of fixing it. Yeah sure, it may well be a hot potato etc etc and we all know that it is an inheritance - the question is WHY won't the Minister get rid of the rotten gases?? We nor moosa wunt Connell ulla Kennedy. These guys are ruining our Hospital and killing all faith in the community. Oh and by the way, it is accepted to write what you want on here, but you can't do so through the local paper.

Public march for Dr Foong. When - Morla. Where - Starts at RSL. Time - didn't get that one, after lunch I think. To ALL those upset, angry, annoyed, pieved, etc, GET THEE TO THE RSL!!!

I have to agree with the Devils advocate - its a step backwards petioning to change the govt every time you disagree with them. By all means let them know through the correct channels how you feel. The current minister for health may not have started cooking the potato, but he has the power to turn off the oven and remove the gas supply. Popular opnion would suggest that he return his testicles to their rightful spot and take the sensible and appropriate action needed at the hospital.Let the hospital staff get on with their jobs.

Ever think about the fact that simply kicking out the government not only means that there is no continuity in governance, it also means that those good people who would be a godsend to have on the Assembly may just be a little disillusioned & therefore won't stand? OK, so the assembly we have at the moment doesn't seem to be on the ball. What to do? Let them know what you want, contact them - 9 phone calls, 1 visit to kingston, 90 cents in stamps, TELL THEM!!!!!! And tell your friends or others who agree to tell them. Don't sit around complaining that they don't listen when there's nothing to hear. They don't hang around on this forum, three individual letters in the local paper isn't a community groundswell.

Ever think about the fact that the minister for health didn't cause this situation, he inherited it? Maybe he's not doing quite what needs be done yet but it ain't him that's caused it - it's not his balls you should be looking for. Stop blaming the person who ends up with the hot potato when they didn't cook it.

You had better shape up or ship out, tourists will soon be cancelling their bookings when they realise the local Hospital is in bad shape and they might not get medical treatment if they have a nasty accident. The Minister for Health should resign and along with him should go all those who are causing disquiet within. Maybe you should encourage your school pupils to study hard and get the marks to get into University to Study in Medicine, then you could produce a doctor of your own to run your hospital. I agree with a previous entry if a death is caused by all this mess you will get the biggest litigation brought against the Hospital & Admin it will send you broke - just think about that before its too late.

Yeah- in reply to "none",you pulled me up a beaut. I was definitely wrong about the shoe store owners- sorry for that, but thanks for still getting my point, and for correcting me without swearing or abusing me!

Dear Forum and all who submit comments There is one easy solution to all of the Health problems outlined on this site. Take up a petition and get all the electorate including TEP’s & GEP’s to sign the petition to get rid of:- 1. The Minster for Health – David Buffett 2. The Doctor who is incompetent and has cost some community members money and a great deal of concern – Dr Daniel Kennedy 3. The Director who claims frequent flyer points for his dog – Mr David Connell 4. The Hospital Board Members who run with the “foxes and hunts” with the hounds none other than Chloe Nicholas and Vicky Jack 5. To get rid of this Assembly and vote in those who have the gumption to make decisions and who can see that all of these hassles occurred after “the experts” were brought in from overseas when we have our own talents here on the island. It is a fact – this is the only way these problems and issues will be sorted. Petitions are a pain in the proverbial, but it gives everyone clout! So go yorlye, do what has to be done and take up a petition. Show the Government who gutta stones!! Sadly, this effects all Norfolk Island Legislative Assembly members, but dee thing hatta done.

I can't believe the crap that is still going on with Dr Foong, the lies, lies , lies that are still being spread about. NONE of the lies stood up in court, we have proof of that. Insurance cover not being available for procedures he is carrying out up at the hospital that he shouldn't be. CRAP, if he wasn't supposed to be they could have put that in the court case too - no it wouldn't stand up. He is an excellent surgeon and does a perfect job, has saved members of the community money for them not having to go away for these operations and consequently created revenue for the Hospital. What is the real reason behind the lies? Why is the Hospital Director afraid of Dr Foong? Is it because he can't justify the expenditure of various items even though they are not there? Is it because we paid for his dog to come over? What other costs are for imaginary things? Where is the money going? Why are all of Dr Foong's patients now being handed over to Dr Kennedy when he should be given a broom when he is walking the corridors up there because he has NO ONE to see unless they are DESPERATE or tourists that know no better. Why is he there when so many have been flown out due to his stuff-ups. I believe he has no obsterics experience so why would he be handed over all the pregnant patients of Damien's. Why is our government sticking up for liars and people that are in jobs not for the community but for themselves. Who are the people that are considering the community's health. Obviously the Hospital Director doesn't give a damn so why is he STILL THERE. It is time we all stood up and demanded to be noticed, demanded proper healthcare, it is OUR RIGHT. We won't have another like Dr Foong, lets not chuck the opportunity into the pit of deceit, greed and personal vendettas.

Dear One of Ucklun (Forum submission 06.12.02) I found 2 small dessicated objects on perimiter fence at the airport. Believe they may be Buffetts testicles, but have been sitting on the fence for so long its hard to tell any more. I have duly rolled them from the top of the hill - hoping they find their target down town. Please beware if driving as they may gain momentum and cause an injury!

I have been a regular visitor to your island for many years now, and am honoured to know quite a few locals. However, I wish to remain incognito for obvious reasons, as I am due back there next month. I have been reading through this forum and am somewhat concerned of the current health issues on your beautiful island. What is wrong with your Government? Does the Minister have a brain or not? Quite clearly there are problems with the current management of your hospital which in turn is causing concern with the staff. This is not good for morale and a real worry for a place as isolated as Norfolk Island. My dear friend who lives on the island keeps me abreast of what goes on by sending me the local paper which I enjoy reading, but cannot help but notice that almost every week there is some concern with your Health / Management. It is very true as said by a few people on this forum that people’s health are not to be dealt with lightly. And also true is the fact that if a fatality should occur, then there would be sufficient evidence to take the island down completely through litigations – BUT it appears there are those who are too blind to see. Don’t’ wait for something tragic to happen, act now. Clean up the hospital management, use your on-island skills and expertise and get the place back on track before it is too late. I also think it is time for the Minister to throw in the towel. I am told he has had too much hold on the island for too long, and folks, this is not healthy. Believe me, we have them here. It would appear from the local paper and the forum that Doctors Foong and Fletcher are very popular, yet they both have been wrongly treated. This is so typical of POLITICS. And reading Mrs Foong’s submission where she mentioned about the person who said what she did. Quite obviously, the Chief Magistrate knew what he was doing, but apparently the Foong’s are still being judged AFTER they have been found NOT GUILTY of all allegations. Shame on all of you folk who obviously have nothing better to do and can’t get by without gossiping. What a small world you must live in. I believe there is a very good letter in last week’s paper from a young Norfolk lass who is pregnant. I am looking forward to reading this letter. Whoever you are – WELL DONE but how sad if those in Government refuse to listen or take action on behalf the youth – THE ISLAND’s FUTURE. Perhaps it is time (as mentioned by a previous writer) to get rid of your current Government, and get some of YOUR OWN ISLAND BORN YOUNG PEOPLE to run the island?? Food for thought. I really hope your Health issues are solved soon folks, and I look forward to hearing that the Foong’s sue the Government, Hospital Director and all those who have said disparaging things which are FALSE. I am also told that confidential matters are being told to people by Government members?? Shock horror! REMEMBER Ron Cahill was the judge NOT the Hospital Manager, Government Ministers & some community folk! You all should hang your heads in shame. Stand up for your rights all you ISLANDERS BORN AND BRED. Don’t be pushed around by politics and politicians. It is your island. Take care all yorlee and have a Merry and Happy Christmas.

Perhaps the joke is on you Fixit......the complaint was about Reynolds Shoes not Franks, and Reynolds shoes doesn't have the same owner as Franks and The Shoe Box. However, any store owner has the right to charge what he thinks is fair and reasonable and it's up to the customer to check prices first.

9th December 2002 This is a transcript from the local paper. Norfolk Islander: Saturday 7th; 2002 "DID HE JUMP OR WAS HE PUSHED" As readers will see in our letters to the editor columns, this is the thrust of many of the questions asked by our correspondents. Dr Foong was in the Court of Petty Sessions on Monday, 2nd December 2002 before the Chief Magistrate, Mr Ron Cahill where he faced 4 charges. See Court Reports below. The first three charges revolved around the question of whether the evidence presented is capable of satisfying a reasonable jury properly instructed beyond reasonable doubt that in this case Dr Foong has committed an indictable offence. In his judgement, the Chief Magistrate said "on that basis, without going into a lot of reasons, it seems to us ( there were three magistrate on the bench ) that the state of the evidence in relation to each of those charges, they are the three existing ones, is such that a jury properly instructed could not reach the view that the defendent had committed those three offences. So he's discharged in respect of those three " A fourth charge, for Attempted false pretences which related to claims for air-fares etc. brought forth the following judgement from the Chief Magistrate: TRANSCRIPT " In our view, that doesn't amount to a false pretence because in the terms of the matter, in our view, Dr Foong was still insisting that he had an entitlement to air travel. The production of the tickets wasn't a matter imposed in his contract but was a proper accounting accountability and and in our view, he was still arguing, even as late as the 14th December, he had an entitlement up to $3, 500 and a jury in our view couldn't exclude the possibility he was considering at that stage that's the time of the false pretence alleged, that his entitlement included, that amount involved an extra air fare for his wife because it included movement. That's what a reasonable jury has to negative beyond reasonable dount and on this evidence, even though there is some evidence and some inference to be made, we are of the view that that could not be negative by a jury properly instructed in the circumstances. For that reason we find that on that point of false pretence the case would fall at this level. For that reason that charge would also be discharged. I think that's the only other alternative offence you wish to consider. Certainly it could never have been fraudulent misappropriation because he never received any money. This is attempt only asn we are looking at attempted false pretences so we have given our reasons for that and consequently all charges are discharged in respect of ALL matters, the three original ones plus the additional charge." Once the Chief Magistrate had given his judgement one would have thought that this unfortunate incident with a bit of mediation, had run its course, but unfortunately it continues unabated. After the following eight months of worry that Dr Foong has had to endure and as ALL the charges laid against him had been discharged, he submitted, on his won volition, his resignation from the Norfolk Island Hospital Enterprise. He had previously done this in another civil proceedings in July 2002. This course of action was taken in order to protect his wife and 9 week newly born daughter from continuation of the treatment which he had received at the hands of certain work colleagues and former Hospital Board members. Dr Foong alleges that this harassment continued even after the recent court case win. His resignation was submitted just after 5:30pm on Thursday night. That night he received so many supportive telephone calls that he felt he could not let down his existing patients and those other community members who supported him. Dr Foong decided to withdraw his resignation at about 9:00pm on Thursday: that same day which apart from the community support mentioned above, followed the spreading of a vicious rumour which suggested that his resignation was not voluntary. The Hospital Enteprise refused to accept that withdrawal, and we wonder if its not time for the governmnet to decide whether it wishes to tackle head on, the problems which have been endemic at the Hospital for the last 15 months. Somone once described the Health portfolio as a "poisoned chalice" and the decision as to how this impasse can be sorted out now rests with the Ho. David Buffett, MLA, Minister for Community Services and Tourism. Irrespective of what the eventual outcome, this whole incident must cause any prospective Doctor to think about taking up an appointmnet at the Norfolk Island Hospital. COURT REPORT Defendent: Damien Foong Section: 252 Crimes Act 1900 in its applicaton to Norfolk Island (forgery) Results: Dismissed Defendent: Damien Foong Section: 252 Crimes Act 1900 in its application to Norfolk Island (utter) Results: Dismissed Defendent: Damien Foong Section: 178A Crimes Act 1900 by virtue of Section 347 Criminal Law Act 1960. (Attempted fraud and misappropriation ) Results: Dismissed Defendent: Damien Foong Section: 179 and 180 Crimes ACT 1900 in its application to Norfolk Island (Attempted false pretences) Results: Dismissed

Amanda,why write here and complain about spending an extra $20.00? Did that make you feel good? Did you win? It was silly. a) Because no one really cares! Stuff like that happens, relax and GET A LIFE! most of all, GET OVER IT! Every one that lives here knows the owners of Franks and they're good people. b) Both stores are owned by the same family so the jokes on you!!!!!!

Robyn - my husband and I have just returned from our third trip to Norfolk and are just as much in love with the place as ever. With regards to the murder being unsolved and you not feeling safe while it remains that way. GET A LIFE!!!!! How many murders remain unsolved in Australia and New Zealand each year??? The Norfolk Island people have to be the most welcoming and hospitable people in the world (I have travelled the world over so I do know what I am talking about. We felt so safe that even though the lock on our unit didn't have a key and we had to leave it unlocked every time we went out, we just didn't care. Norfolk is still safer than anywhere else on earth. Please don't let one incident in the last 150 years of the island's history cloud your judgement on the place. And to the Norfol Islands may I say that it was again the greatest pleasure to visit your country and we can't wait to come back again and again. By the way I would like to also say that we have had nothing but the best service from Reynolds Shoes and would like to thank all the shop owners for helping us with our Christmas shopping. We went with 2 bags and came back with 4!!!!

This saga would make a good mini series for television. Politics and Health Matters don't mix and we know about that on the mainland. Mr Buffett has had his fingers in all matters Norfolk since returning to the fold many years ago, maybe he needs to retire permanently. Seems some sullen think they must rule till they drop! Move over Mr Minister for Health and let some new people in with new ideas. Glad to see the Doctor got his day in court and won - well done.

Well I hope Buffett and Nicholas (Gray) feel good about what they have done to our doctor, Damien Foong. You both have shot yourselves in the foot this time. The electorate will have the last laugh on you both as well as Connell. As sure as there is a God in Heaven, yorlye se had ett!! Mark my words. Quite obviously neither of you get sick - I just hope none of your near and dear loved ones have to go up there and face the "Butcher from H e l l" who can't even diagnose a flu!! Read Melissa Snell's letter in the paper, and all of the other horror stories about this bloke. One doesn't have to be Einstein to work out who people are talking about. Ironic - he never (or seldom) has appointments, yet he is kept on. Has anyone actually seen his qualifications?? I bet nort. Norfolk is very good at bringing in these experts and then within 5 minutes, they have quit, costing the public purse more dough. Look at the ones who have left and are leaving Admin. It is all our money who is paying for these "fly ins". I think it is time a petition is taken up to get rid of the Assembly (to ensure Buffett & co) leave, and have a whole fresh start. There are about 4 who could stay in, but dem tether one cah do! It is a damn disgrace that an important issue as health is in the pathetic state it is in - thanks to our current Minister for Health who nor gutt d'balls fer kick arse! Well done for the comments from One of Ucklun. You hit the nail on the head. I just hope there isn't a fatality at the hospital, because the blame will go right to where it belongs - the Minister. You are an absolute joke!!

I would just like to issue a warning about the aforementioned shop. My husband and I were shopping on our holiday (as Norfolk is renowned for!) and were having a great time until we stumbled into Reynolds. We bought two pairs of shoes there. Some boat shoes and a pair of sandals. We were thoroughly happy with our purchases thinking we were getting a good deal. This turned a little sour however when we walked a litle further down the road to the Shoebox and saw the exact same sandals for $20 less. We decided to go back to Reynolds and see if we could work something out. The Manager there was most unaccomodating and refused to do anyhting except offer us another pair of shoes that the Shoebox didn't have. Needless to say we were very offended and consequently spent the rest of our time (and money) in the Shoebox where we received much more amenable and gracious service.

In reply to Robyn Relf- come on over honey. Why miss out on seeing this gorgeous place because of a far away fear. . Those of us lucky buggers that live here, well we don't worry about getting murdered when we have to visit the mainland ie. Brisbane or Sydney. It was frightening at first because it hasn't happened before (not lately anyway!) but we're all getting on with life now living on our home.This stunning,beautiful Island. We have a team of Detectives, who are continuously working on Janelle's case. It is going to be solved, but these things take time.A lot of Islanders do believe that sadly Janelle was targeted by someone known to her. Therefore the general feeling is that we do not have an insane murderer on the loose. Thousands of excited visitors have come here since the murder, chilled out,had a fantastic time, and safely left. Probably to return. Don't hold back.See you soon!

I reiterate the congratulatory message to Damien & Tamara. Well done you two. Let's be logical and sensible here, we need more than one resignation. My calculation is 3. David Connell, David Buffett & let's not omit Daniel Kennedy. Until these three "galahs" are out of the Hospital, the current debacle will not go away. I think Buffett has sat on the fence too long over the years, and this is his way of point scoring. So if anyone finds a pair of balls hanging off a fence somewhere, please deliver same to the assembly. It is absolutely disgusting the way our current Government is running the island - I moosa ell shame fer be ess islander, en fer think I vote some o' yorlye een. Yo ya! Incidentally, it isn't only me who thinks this of the Hospital sitch, just talk to people in the street - nearly all of them say the same about Buffett, Connell & Kennedy. Well here is proof - if you phone to get an appointment with Foong or Fletcher, you have to wait at least a week, yet to see Kennedy is no probs - in other words he never has patients!! Yet Connell (his mate) and Buffett (political point scorer) prefers to leave the blinkers on. Oh and how sad also to think Vicki Jack & Chloe Gray are also rather "paly" with Connell - God help ucklun en Norfolk. Ess too petty we gut some o' dem ya, cos we nor moosa wunt dem,...en dem treat ucklun semmes a thing we in dems territory - what a bloody cheek. So come on Norfolk,..we are good et taking up petitions, how about one to get rid of Connell, Buffett and the Hospital Board!! Dem cah do!! Have a great weekend all ucklun.

Has there been any recent progression in the Janelle Patton murder case? I am considering coming to Norfolk Island for a holiday but I don't feel safe in doing so until the murderer/s has been locked up for the crime. Janelle was killed in March and it is now December - is anyone safe over there with the culprit on the loose?

Congratulations Damien and Tamara! You stayed in the game,and won. You're a great Doctor Damien, and you got set up by "school boys" suffering from professional jeolousy. Today, the Court here on Norfolk Island,decided what we have known all along.No evidence, no case. PROPER! All kinds of big things go on here on this little Island,a special place. But there is one big thing that should happen. A resignation.

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Hi, although this forum is probably not the most appropriate place for this request, it is my only hope... I would like to get in touch with someone who can assist with buying (leasing) a property / land / business on Lord Howe Island. Also, I would like to hear from people who have recently moved to Norfolk to live there; about their experience with a "new life" and eventual difficulties and drawbacks (if any). I have visited both islands on numerous occasions but what I'm looking for is a "first hand experience" from someone who made the move and is now actually living there permanently... ANY help or advice would be greatly appreciated.Please respond directly to watchman@tig.com.au Nick (Sydney)

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As the recent petition concluded the vast majority of Norfolk Islanders and our people eligible to vote do not consider themselves to be Australians. In spite of the moves made over the years Norfolk Island is not Australia. Canberra appears to be prepared to run rough shod over the wishes of the Norfolk Island electorate by going against the wishes of 80% of our people by introducing legislation to limit legal votes in our elections to Australian passport holders. DO NOT STAND FOR IT NORFOLK ISLANDERS – Protest here, protest in letters to mainland papers, to the ministers in the assembly, go to the airport when the Federal Minister leaves and tell him straight!

These coins sound very interesting. You could contact Bounty Divers on (6723) 22751. I was recently in Whangarai, beautiful little place. In regards to authorities, not sure who you would contact, but if you go to the Government link on this site you should be able to contact someone who can help you out. I am sure they would take an interest in it, as you probably know our history is very important to us. Good luck in finding them.

Give up will you, you pest. Leave this forum alone...everyone is sick of your garbage.

The following is an email - quoted verbatim - from The Director of The ITT Technical Institute, Houston, Texas: *************************************************************************************** Full credit also, to Rob Ryan & TeraGo Networks Inc. (??) for their astute handling of the recent - criminal - Denial of Service (DoS) attack on the Forum Server ...on the whole, I think the final score, was Norfolk: 10 / Huff: 0 :] ********************************************************************************************************************************** Subject: Letter to Joe Flynn To: "'joeflynn@techemail.com'" From: Bob Jeffords at 087 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Received: from hqsmtpgw1.ittesi.com (mail.ittesi.com [208.178.23.70]) by imta04.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE92A18FB30 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hqexchange4.ittesi.com (Not Verified[10.120.1.65]) by hqsmtpgw1.ittesi.com id ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:35:31 -0500 Received: by HQEXCHANGE4 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:38:15 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29266.8AB78E40" Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:34:23 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ November 21, 2002 .... Dear Mr. Flynn, This is in response to your e-mails to ITT Educational Services, Inc. regarding perceived nuisance/harassing type messages sent to the Norfolk Island web site and to you personally by an ITT ESI employee over ITT networks. I have spoken with our employee and he has assured me that he will not send any additional messages either to you, Robert Ryan, or any other person associated with Norfolk Island or the web site. He in return requests that you and any other associate of the Norfolk web site refrain from contacting him at his personal residence or at work. What originally started as an attempt at humor has blossomed into an ugly exchange. I think it is time that both parties call a truce and walk away. Sincerely, Robert F. Jeffords Director ITT Technical Institute Houston, TX 77058 cc: Mr. Stephen Huff Ms. Nancy Brown

Hi. I have knowledge of coins in an area that I would like to find. The area is not large but does require some underwater recovery experience. The knowledge was passed down to me by my mother who with a dear friend put them there so to speak. Back before ww2 things on the Island were not focused on monetary matters or valuables. I speak from some experience. The recovery would mean approval from some authorities I guess and would not be harmful. I don't believe this would be a huge hurdle. These coins were found in some cells which are now covered and of which i have found no photos to prove their existance. but know of their location to within a few meters. The cells I believe dont hold any secrets but I have always wanted to dig them out so to speak as they are another part of Norfolk's history I contacted the Australian government many years ago without success. Because of my situation of recent times I now have the time to pursue this almost lifelong dream. If anyone can help me please say so on this forum and perhaps we can talk more directly.

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Just wondering how the tourist numbers are going over there? Another Travel business has gone to the wall in Australia, with the threat of terrorism guess many will choose to stay home - do you have a backup plan should the tourists begin to not come to your island? The longer the threats go on the whole industry will be brought to its knees hope you have some other means of making money over there to survive the turmoil. Norfolk did well to survive the airline problems of recent times but what if tourists do not come -what then? What an uncertain time we all face - be positive and work hard to keep your tourist industry intact.

I have knowledge of the whereabouts of of some coins in the sea at Norfolk Island. The coins where found then tossed in this particular place by my Mother along with another person who is still alive. alas my mother is not. The coins where found in ___________ and because of the time or era and innocence of these people at the time no value was placed upon them. I wish to recover these coins not because of any perceived value but to actually to achieve a life long ambition to actually acomplish something of interest outside of one's normal affairs. The coins have to be older than 70 years and I think much older. Interesting. If anyone can help or advise I would be most grateful. I have written in the past to Australian Authorities but did not receive a reply. Yours Marco

Speaking of Tourists getting "snow jobs" I am left wondering about "insiders" information. The last I checked Norfolk was totally fiscally independent from Australia. In fact Australia pays an absolute minimum when it comes to funds for Norfolk, especially when compared with countries/territories in a similar situation to Norfolk (i.e. deemed to be geopolitically important to their much larger neighbors interests and security). The only contributions on an annual basis are 50% towards the costs of restoring the historical buildings downtown and all the costs incurred by the National Parks and Wildlife. Yes, thats IT! So the question of independence for Norfolk is hardly one of our ability to "keep afloat or sink in a mountain of debt from mismanagement". Surely the real question around independence should revolve around whether our people and culture are respected by our larger neighbor. The answer to this question is becoming clear to a growing number of islanders.

Firstly it is nice to read a decent comment in here after all the recent drivel that has gone on lately. So thank you for taking the time to post comments about your recent trip to Norfolk. Although you would have seen it through the eyes of being a tourist and are probably unaware of the underlying problems facing Norfolk of late it is encouraging to read your time spent there was a good experience. With regards to this forum it would be a real shame to shut it down. There are many of us who enjoy coming in and reading the different viewpoints of what is happening on the Island.Not all of us who love Norfolk can actually spend our lives there and it helps those of us who are abroad stay in touch with current events affecting loved ones. There seems to be only one main offender who has taken it upon himself to become obsessed wiith being a major nusiance. In a forum such as this it is always unlikely that we are all going to agree and thats what makes it interesting.Don't close it all down for the sake of one persons animosity. Tourists who visit this site will look to other areas of the site for information about Norfolk and should not be put off by comments in the forum, I'm sure most people understand the difference between a "forum" and a "guestbook". We should keep the forum open for discussion and the guestbook for tourists impressions.Maybe if we ALL ignore the trouble maker completely he will soon get bored and move on. It seems to be this person is craving recognition and attention to satisfy his ego trip. Why hes picked this site in particular is anyones guess but don't let him spoil it for us all. Let him rave on in his own mad world but don't post anything in response. Cook house chick I have enjoyed your recipes and look forward to more! Also had a good laugh at the postings of I nor larnen, and the guy who was looking for some good suff! Postings from the youth of Norfolk have been great too and gives us an insight to a different generations view. Wouldn't be worrying about a few black marks on the roads, I think we were all young once! And none of us are angels!

Sure we are grateful for any assistance that aust may give norfolk , be it minimal, but it pales in significance to the millions that it gives other countries throughout the world(even taking into account per head of population)So we are not a charity case and in theory would qualify for a lot more assistance if we were to go fully independant(not that we need it)just remember, Australia wants us just as much as our desire towards full self sustainability.

The tourists sure know it all after spending 2 weeks there judging from the previous entry in the forum. Pomp & ceremony put on for the tourists does not reflect the underlying problems on the island. You all want to be independent from Australia but then you still want all the help & handouts from the Federal Government. Perhaps Canberra could cut you adrift for awhile. Then we'd see if you keep afloat or sink in a mountain of debt from mismanagement.

I must say that my family and I all enjoyed very musch our recent two-week visit to your splendid island paradise. We went just about everywhere that we could, nod those places we missed, well, we just might have to go back! The people we met were all very friendly. If an opinion was expressed by a local, then it was certainly expressed with vigour (though not always with cogency). Many expressed a fierce independence from "the mainland", and I admire that. May all of the best attributes of your island paradise be preserved for many generations to come!

Time to shut this forum down Rob its not worth taking the time to participate with interests on Norfolk anymore and it gives a bad example to tourists who look to this site for information about the island. One look at the forum and they will turned off Norfolk for ever.....wakey wakey yorlye

This must be from the gentleman who is so good at the Norfolk language that he must he must with out a doubt be a Norfolk Islander. Yes, for sure!

mmmm'mmm, I do liiike me some creamy white-bread buns

Oh, sure Joe...that old saying applies here...you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time!!!

Brian, Firstly mate, I'd suggest you try your own spellcheck eh! UNBELIEVABLE....... , ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joe is a valued contributor in here and due to his efforts alone Huff is leaving us alone (and because Joe screwed him so comprehensively, in parting Huff is trying to make up, its wonderful to see such a rude and arrogant american kissing a...!, what did he say in one of his submissions "I say, who are you? What has your tiny nation done much? Nothing, that's what. We've been to the moon, to the bottoms of the oceans, to the top of the world. Texas is the greatest country inside the greatest nation on Earth, so I can understand you all being a bit jealous..." especially wonderful to see Joe hasn't called the dogs off!). If you want to weigh in on this argument you ought to spent an hour scrolling through and getting the full facts, assuming Joe to be Huff makes it evident to all of us you haven't done that. Anybody who speaks Norfolk knows Joe's credentials, he is a Norfolk Islander born and bred. As opposed to Huff who has a link down there somewhere showcasing a huge collection of poems and other egotistical/patriotic drivel - it is very obvious these two people are not the one and the same you claim them to be. More power to Joe, looking forward to more of his insightful commentarys and thought provoking questions about our island and it's people.

keep off00000000

What a load of absolute crap.......find something else to do. This is so much garbage, its unbelieveable!!!!

Just a quick update to advise that I am currently liasing with the Dallas Bar Association Lawyer Referral Service in Texas with a view to pro-bono prosecution of cyber-vermin Stephen Huff under Texan anti-stalking legislation which encompasses chronic harrassment by electronic communications as per: http://www.wiredpatrol.org/stalking/us-states/texas.html ..... In preliminary consultations I have been advised that under the Texan Criminal Justice System (cf. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/legislation/bill_status.htm ) cyber-stalking is a Class-B Misdemeanour which is punishable by a jail term of 6 months plus a fine of US$2000-00.********************************************************************************************************************************************* Lets see if Hog-Boy Huff still considers himself a 'SuperGenius' on account of his serial harrassment of this Forum, after six-months hard-pounding of his fat candy-ass by the up to 10,000 'smooth criminal' inmates of Harris County Jail :) ************************************************************************************************************************************************ In the meantime, may I suggest that NIDS implement an anti-cyber-vermin solution called 'TraceWare' which was developed by US company Digital Island. It's basically a server application protocol able to identify country, city and client-connection details relating to any client IP address. It can then automatically impose restrictions on access to the Server resources (eg. the Forum) to the user of that IP address; ie. you could simply block any client access to www.nf which originated from Houston or even Texas. cf.also: Man arrested for sending harassing e-mails: http://www.mailutilities.com/news/archive/100/1679.html

my work here is done. Im sure norfolk is a nice enough place, might go there sometime... ill be sure to drop round and say hi :)

youve been hit by, youve been struck by a smooth criminal

youve been hit by, youve been struck my a smooth criminal

Is the sole purpose of your life to bitch and winge at each other. Yes freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but so is being kind to your fellow human being, so chill out, put your feet up and relax and thank god that you were not at that club in Bali!!!!! Enjoy nature around you and give your love to your fellow beings.

i am not huff! or joe flynn! for fucks sake some of you people are stupid. must come with the territory over in norfolk

Joe Flynn has revealed and proved nothing!!!! Joe Flynn is Stephen Huff, Smooth Criminal etc.etc. No one can be "shut down" as you put it for writing on this forum or any other. Joe Flynn is having a go at you all!! A trouble maker big time. Wake up. If it wasn't for him half this garbage wouldn't be on here.

Any thoughts on the Jazz Festival being held on NI during December?? I think it is a great promotion and it is attracting quite a few visitors. Isnt it great the we can host something like this on NI and attract people who might other wise not have visited. Norfolk is a great spot for this kind of event, as we well know from the success of the country music festival. I hope it all goes down well, for the locals (yes including TEP, GEP, residents or whatever else you class yourself as, we all live on Norfolk) and tourists.

I apologise to Tintoela. You are right - I should have checked - but it was obvious who I was referring to. My comments were meant for Astonished. SO I am sorry for getting it wrong. But I guess the other comments are right too. Let the morons bag Norfolk etc, but the best we can do is to ignore them even though it is hard sometimes. Keep smiling!! (:

Thankyou Tintoela for your words of great wisdom. I think to some extect 'Too Embarassed' (sorry for the miss quote) missed my whole point. My point was for people not to pass the buck onto others for the content in the forum. Not to portray myself as a person with substandard spelling and education which 'Too Embarassed' would know nothing about. 'Too Embarassed' you are doing the exact same thing as all the people you are complaining about in this forum. Nice to hear from you Tintoela. You sound like a legend... have we met before? Cheers!

Tintola, follow your own wisdom, lets all unplug for a while. This site and Norfolk to alarge extent is too accessible and thats when they all flood in. Do gude and lubbe dem lone...

Maybe u should check details before having a go at me. I was only agreeing with something previously said. I take it "too embarrassed" and "embarrassed" are the same person then??? My email addres is NOT bigpularsrus, i havnt put mine up here so good luck shutting me down. Im not crass or rude thank you vrey much and am very much against that kind of thing on here. I do believe however that Astonished whos email is bigpularsrus did make a valid point. Not once have i belittled some one in the way you just did to me. So have some respect for those of us who respect others on this site. And as for the email address bigpularsrus, lighten up, its the least of the "crass" things said on here!

No I'm not offended by your email address - it just portrays your ignorance and lack of knowledge and/or education!!!. It certainly shows just how crass, crude and disgusting you really are. You can't even spell properly. No nothing has hit close to home, it is just embarassing to think our "bread & butter" (tourists in case you don't understand)have to read the crap that goes on here. I wouldn't blame them to not want to come over here. Don't kid yourself mate - ISP's can be shut down alright whether it is making money or not ESPECIALLY if someone takes out a court order to have someones' identity revealed for saying things that can be seen as threats. Joe Flynn has proved it can be done, so do some homework love - you can be closed down.

Valid Point astonished, but i think you meant to direct it at "too embarrassed", rather than "embarrassed". Just thought i would clarify that point for u since it has been one of the few recent ones with a bit of substance to it. Spose people can say whatever they like, just a pity it has to be here, but i stick to my original point, if we stop biting to their bait, they may get bored and leave our NI site alone. Replying to the drivel they put on here only brings us to there level. Read it, ignore it and have your say on matters that really affect Norfolk. So u in a month bigpularsrus woooo hooooo!

i have the right to say whatever i please. my comments on this forum cannot and will not be regulated by anyone. my opinions are my own and cannot be changed by harrasment by any one of you people. the way you exposed mr huff is a breach of privacy and if were him would be persuing the perpetrators to the full extent of the law. this is a country that prides its self on its residents having the right to their own opinion. so in my opinion, you can all eat a dick.

Judging by your last efforts you have obviously been blowing it out your nether regions for a while. Take your crap elsewhere, you're fooling nobody. Get a life it the authorities (where you are) will let you. Why has this Forum attracted the likes of you? It would benefit greatly from your absence. You write under the name of "Stephen Huff" and all the others, who are so easy to pick and you fool no-one. So in simple words GET LOST! Thanks for nothing.

I'm quite astonished at the attitude protrayed by 'Embarrassed'. I can hardly see how you can close a business down for the thoughts of people in the community. Maybe next time you should aim your message to the people writing all this in the forum and guest book. It makes me wonder if one of these inserts have hit a little close to home?? I also need you to clarify how this forum or guest book create $$$ & cents?? urgh?? I must agree with you on the point you made about current content in this forum. It has taken a big dive in past months. It's up to every one using it to clean it up... including yourself Embarrassed!! PS Hope the email address doesn't 'Embarrass' you too much!!

Stephen Huff is an employee of ITT Industries Inc. who enforce a stringent code of corporate conduct for all emplyees; anyone offended by Stephen Huff's repeated gratuitous flaming of this Forum should report his bigoted comments (ie. quote verbatim) to any or all of the following ITT Senior Management: ITT Industries Headquarters Director of Corporate Policy Compliance Richard Swanson Phone: 914-641-2072 richard.swanson@itt.com ITT Industries Headquarters Vice President and Director Thomas Martin Phone: 914-641-2157 ITT Industries Headquarters Ombudsman: Gerald Bloom Phone: 1-914-641-2027 gerald.bloom@itt.com (cf. http://www.ittfluidtechnology.com/conduct/contacts/CContact.asp ) *********************************************************************************************** Dear Fellow Employees: We have prepared this Code of Corporate Conduct to help you understand ITT Industries' standards of ethical business practice. This Code also applies to all consultants, agents and other representatives retained by ITT Industries. The principles set forth in this Code describe how we should behave. ITT Industries will conduct its worldwide operations consistent with the highest business, legal and ethical considerations. Compliance with these principles is vital to maintain ITT Industries' global reputation as a responsible corporate citizen, and to achieve our goal of becoming the best and most respected diversified manufacturing company in the world. Personal responsibility is at the core of our principles and culture. We expect everyone associated with ITT Industries not only to know right from wrong, but also to always choose right over wrong. In every business decision we make, we must follow the ethics and compliance principles set forth in this booklet and in the ITT Industries Corporate Policy Manual. It is also our responsibility to report anything we observe or know about that might violate these principles. No Code could ever anticipate every ethical decision we may face in business. So whenever you are in doubt about any matter that may have ethical implications, you should seek guidance within ITT Industries, your Company or individual business unit. This Code identifies the channels and procedures that we have established to help answer your questions. Violation of this Code is a serious matter and could subject you or ITT Industries to civil liability or even criminal prosecution. It is important that you read this Code carefully and ask questions about anything you do not understand. Each of us must understand and accept our personal responsibility in preserving and enhancing ITT Industries' exceptional reputation for integrity. I know you and your colleagues will take pride in always doing the right thing. Louis J. Giuliano Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer (cf. http://www.ittfluidtechnology.com/conduct/policy/chairman.asp )

ROTFLMAO (Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off) :] ...judging from the increasingly frantic pathos of your squealing Hog-Boy, I've skewered you real good. Which is exactly what I intended ...now I'm going to roast you slowly & serve you up for the delectation of the ITT Educational Services Inc. Board of Directors - hope you keep swallowing the Hog-bait; ...for the interested observer, here's some insight into the psyche of a southern red-neck bigot, twisted creep (btw Hog-Boy your IT106 'students'(sic) tell me you're an obese tub of lard with halitosis ...& only "a below average" CPP programmer - then again ITT is hardly MIT, now is it?):[ "From: Stephen "Munkys" Huff To: Subject: You Date: Mon, 9 Sept 2002 12:00:06 -0700 Joe, Hey, you're pretty good, I have to (grudgingly) admit. It's not often that I come across somebody with genuine skill. Hats off. Also, you sound to be educated, which I respect. Personally, I want you to know that I have found our exchanges to be somewhat amusing. Please remember this started with a harmless poem. I hope there's no hard feelings. ...[edit munky-guff]... Somebody called me on my cell phone last Monday at about 4am to say very nasty things about me and my mother (water off a duck's back, you can't believe how THICK my skin really is), then you hacked my OS. I wonder if the phone call was you, too, only because of the time (4Am would be late in the evening where you are, if you are in the Pacific). At any rate, of them ALL, only you actually attacked. ...[no it wasn't me - but I empathise with whoever it was, I really do]... I have already used this to my benefit, as I was forced to activate security on my home system for the first time, learning all that this entails. Let me simply say, COOL! Thanks for the experience. I'd be very interested to know a bit about you, not because I intend you harm or ill will, but simply because I would like to put a face on your skillset. I am curious to know if you are, indeed, in the Pacific, and how much technology can be found in a place like Norfolk. You seem to be an American, or perhaps a European. You're grammar and mannerisms imply this, but your knowledge and claim of Polynesian descent indicates you may be living on the Island. Primarily, I am curious to learn how you acquired your skills. I know you probably won't answer these questions, but it never hurts to ask. By the way, I am finished with the animosity (I was never really pissed off, in the first place), and with the Norfolk forum. I'm moving on to my next Projects; HoleMunky and TestMunkyASP (I am also currently authoring my tenth and eleventh novels simultaneously, so I'm quite busy). Just thought you would like to know that I had fun! Hope you did too! If you like, you may claim victory! Stephen Super Genius From: Outer Space"

Miss Bunting....spellcheck please!

Joe you are a total freak and you must be very bored in Cell 9. I am suprised that you have not been transferred to a physciatric ward for your bizarre disbelief in your IT abilities. Furthermore, NI can rest assured that you will never be permitted to visit the Island. Down your mouse, cover your keyboard, straighten your jacket and go back to bed. Sorry to end your little power trip, but you are totally wacked. Lights out (too late?)

Do search at http://www.google.com for 'mailmunky'. You might be surprised what you turn up. Ever heard of 'pop-up spam'? Such fun!

Hi... your 'smooth criminal' is not Mr. Huff. Mr. Huff has been quit of your nastiness for some time now. I suggest that your generally belittling and demeaning natures have attracted other much deserved and negative attention from those that hate you. Nightly I pray for a huge tsunami to roll over your crappy litte space on this planet, that you might all be washed into the sea. God could start over and do it right, then. But, it's all in good fun, right?

I think the last messages are playing straight into the hands of this fool. If you really want to get rid of them ignore them! As for the previous entry, freedom of speech is a right we all retain, so I dont really think the law would help us.

I have to agree with the previous submission. Yes we all realise this is a forum where you can basically say what you like, but some of the submissions are down right slanderous, malicious and nasty. Yes, it is a great advertisement for this wonderful island, but as always the are those "dickheads" who have nothing better to do. Get a life, get a job and get out in the real world. Folk like you are not needed on our island. And lastly, I am a born and bred islander who has a life, a job and has lived in the real world!! So I agree with the person who said this site should be censored, and I think it is about time NIDS started tracking the owners of some of the comments, before the law steps in.

There are some disgusting comments on this site and in the Guestbook, and NIDS should be closed down for allowing it. We are getting more like the mainland. Come on Rob, do your stuff and stop thinking about the $$ and cents.

Regulars have no doubt long suspected this of many of the submissions in here, but so what. It's the nature of the animal (i.e. being able to post anonymously and indiscriminately) that the only thing of relevance is what is being said regardless of the name under which it is submitted.

There is someone writing on this forum who has a lot of spare time on his hands. If you read through the content of the forum for the past few months you can pick his writing style, regardless of the names used and the fact that he posts a comment and then even answers himself using another name. The webmaster of this forum hasn't exposed anyone here on the forum, but perhaps it's time he did....how about it Rob?!

Whilst you are absolutely correct Mark, a quick scan of all preceding entries would reveal that there's only one really pathetic troll, fringe-dwelling in this forum & 99% of the gratuitous flaming emanates from his obviously disturbed psyche. Apparently the Webmaster for this site traced this guy's (ie. Stephen Huff/smooth criminal/monkey etc.)) IP address & exposed some of the contents of his disk drives on this forum - which is why he's impotently hissing & fitting against Norfolk. Mr Huff is quite clearly afflicted by A-LS (Angry-Loser Syndrome) & reaction from this forum to his mindless invective is probably the only social interaction he ever receives. 'Norfolk Island Forum' is UNDOUBTEDLY the most OPEN & unassuming forum on the Internet - & in my experience of Norfolk, this accurately reflects the nature & character of the Norfolk Islanders. It would be a great pity if one sick American serial pest was to spoil the immediate accessibility of this forum for all of us - worldwide - with an interest in Norfolk & it's people. Any truly open & democratic society which tolerates absolute freedom of speech, must endure the drivel of the deranged, as well as enjoy the pearls of wisdom from the enlightened.

I think this is a good idea Normatta, so long as the site was still kept up to date. People who volountered to do it would have to be committed and if were unable to continue would need to let someone know, or find some one to replace them. Its sad to see such crap posted on our site.

The last weeks entries have included some pretty pathetic and infantile submissions that shouldn't have seen the light of day in here. Perhaps it is time for Rob to implement some form of censorship on this site? We could develop a system for vetting, and explain it at the top of the forum page. Maybe select a few people of differing ages and perspectives on and off the island to vet submissions posted with the aim of putting them up within 24hours. Perhaps to ensure everyone's right to be heard we could set up a "less public" site for these "failed" submissions to be posted on? Any constructive comments?

Sorry but I came to this site to check out Norfolk Island and what it has to offer but unfortunately came to this page You guys should be embarressed at what you are saying on a public site aimed at promoting this island. Theres a million other chatrooms you could do this on if you really need to. From a totally independant and fresh perspective I cant believe anyone, from Norfolk or not, would shamelessly do this. A lot of people would have spent time and money creating this site to promote their businesses, lifestyle and even charities. Just grab a spray can and graffitti this all over their buildings, theres no difference.

i cant believe through your own insolence you have branded me with the name of some huff fag. i am and always have been the smooth criminal and will never be tarnished by any other name. as as for huff, whoever he/she is, dont think that your accidental adherence to me has given you any fame because it hasnt. as for down with norfolk, that was going too far. no one deserves murder.

Es tru thing Tintola tull...we gut da bass side en do mine dem ediot en thing dem wunt fe tull. Es dem de one comen en ya looken fe ucklan unae! It's right what tintola says, Norfolk is a wonderful place never mind what these idiots have to say. They ARE the ones coming in here looking for us!

I'd say Huff aka. mailmonkey aka spelunker aka smooth criminal has already been royally nailed by the denizens of this forum; my guess is he's probably been sacked by ITT for incompetence (couldn't secure his own computer!!) - which explains the impotent dummy spits :) ...love to see a Loser in a Huff!

actually Laff its kinda funny & touching to see an 'ageing infant' like Huff showcase his evident clinical infantile-regression in a wordwide forum - American Psycho living in the moment - better he vent his repressed infantile rage here than with a .38 special down at the local mall; according to an earlier posting, here's how to nail him if he starts to use up too much server space: "... If you get so much as a peep out of him (ie. Stephen Huff) on the NI Forum in the future, just report him to: CONTACT: Nancy Brown, National Director Corporate Relations of ITT Educational Services, Inc., +1-317-594-4260, or Nbrown@ittesi.com ..."

Such a shame to see the Norfolk Forum being used in such a manner. Constructive comment would be far better for those of us who care about Norfolk and those who might visit the site considering taking a holiday there. This is not a juvenile chat show, and might I add one of the previous comments left us wondering if they were implicated in a certain matter. There are lots of other topics to debate so keep it interesting for those who want to participate for the good of Norfolk.

wow it would really help if you could actually spell EMBARRASSMENT you bloody idiot

worst island ever, in my books. embarresment to australia. as for patton, shouldnt of mouthed off like that...

its out there jerry, Laff stoen is inbred, not unlike 85% of your ugly population. norfolk island was origionally called ugly island and the inhabitants to this very day bear the mashed up inbred faces of their forebears

its out there jerry, Laff stoen is inbred, not unlike 85% of your ugly population. norfolk island was origionally called ugly island and the inhabitants to this very day bear the mashed up inbred faces of their forebears

Hi, I was hoping someone could give me some detailed info on surfing on Norfolk Island. I am a travel mad kwi surfer looking for the next place to go and Norfolk looks to me like it sits in a great place for waves. Anyone with any info or help can email me at surfermark@hotmail.com Any info appreciated!!!

The best way to stop people writting crap on our wonderful home page is not to give them the sattisfaction of a reply. Norfolk is a wonderful place so why not talk about all the good points, not just the bad. And if discussion is on the many political topics, let it be constructive. Many would be visitors (our bread and butter) visit this page, what image are we trying to portray to them? All take care and remember the wonderful paradise we do live in.

Seems patently obvious that Mr Huff is trying another reincarnation apparently believing himself to be "smooth", after his past blunders in here however it will take more than a name change to be convincing. One supposes the saying to be true "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Oh well just think while he continues coming in here putting his foot in his mouth under whatever name he isn't driving around shooting people. Which increasingly seems to be the knee jerk reaction by his fellow countrymen when feel they inadequate.

Well said & spot on, but I suspect the following qote from an earlier post on this forum is about the last word on what is becoming a tad tedious topic: "Lion King"/"Galah"/"Dick Head" - whatever ...three *_AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE_* Officers provide baseline police and ancillary services to Norfolk Island in accordance with an arrangement between the Commonwealth and the Norfolk Island Administration; if you've got issues with how the AFP is handling the Patton Case - take it up with THEM on (02) 6256 7777 or deliver your critique to: http://www.crimestoppers.com.au/ _______________________________________________________________________________________ This is not a crime-stopper forum & the residents of Norfolk Island are NOT responsible for prosecuting the investigation of this crime - YOU LOW-GRADE MORON!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LET THAT BE THE FINAL WORD ON THE PATTON CASE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE AFP HAVE CONCLUDED THEIR INVESTIGATIONS !!!

just a quick warning to all you guys! be on the lookout for a crazed killer named Joe Flynn!!! if you double cross him him and his posse of nerds will track down your IP adress!!! craaaazy! and then they will find out who you are!! craaaazy! you have been warned! ps. eat a big fat dick

im back

keep off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are 2 university students going into our third year and are looking to do our prac in a school on Norfolk Island. We have the placement but must find somewhere to stay for six weeks and it is so hard to get information. If anyone has any information or ways of getting some please contact us. We really want to come but can't come if we have no where to stay.

That submission was about one thing only; accusing the locals of covering up. Describing it as a witch hunt is not far off the mark. As said previously, the locals do not need to prove their innocence. We would all like to see this heineous crime solved but do we need to tramp over a whole race of people to do so, to pass legislation that wouldn't see the light of day anywhere else in the world?

It's been a few years since I spent two weeks on an editorial assignment looking at life on Norfolk Island and I regularly reflect on my enjoyment and my education during the brief stay. Like countries the world over Norfolk Island has been the subject of intense attention in the past year and just like any issue everyone has their own opinion. I am neither agreeing, nor disagreeing with the opinions expressed in this forum because I would not insult the people of Norfolk Island and pretend I know how they feel about the events of the past year or so. I do know, however, that those people I had the pleasure of meeting and associating with during my stay love their country and will do everything they can to ensure the reputation of Norfolk Island remains as it should. Those people living on the island and those people who visit the island and complain about its alleged ``lack of facilities or backward stigma'' should remember that it is generally a choice to live or visit anywhere in the world. Those people can use their opinions in proactive ways to instigate discussion and inevitably positive change which would benefit the entire community, not minority groups. I was privileged to have been able to visit Norfolk Island and was in awe of its history, its future and its people. I am hoping my next visit will be met with the same.

Hello, I am planning to come to the island for work purposes. My say will be at least a few months and I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help me find some activities to do with my tem month old son. Is there a play centre or a play group that anyone knows of. My partner will be working and I do not want to isolate myself and my son from a community. I have heard so many wonderful things about norfolk island and I am looking forward to living there for a while. Please could someone email me with any suggestions. Thanks Heaps.

Probably like many other readers of the forum I am well and truely sick of reading poeple's opinions on Janelle's murder. In particular those that are laying the blame at the islanders feet and saying that they should be ashamed as nobody has been caught yet for it especially after all this time (7 months). As anyone here in NZ knows sometimes it takes 15 years for justice to prevail, as in the Teresa Cormack Case (a 6 year old murdered 15 years ago whose killer has only just been convicted) Unfortunately sometimes no-one is ever caught and convicted. This I know will be of little comfort to the family as having a conviction gives a sense of closure to something like this. BUT constanty harrassing the population of a country over the one and only murder that has happened in the last 150 years (forgive me if I have that time wrong)will not make anybody feel better. The killer is not likely to get a case of the guilts and confess because of messages posted on the forum and they may not even be on the island anymore anyway. Who is to say that it wasn't an Australian or New Zealander or anyone else who visited Norfolk at that time. I'm sorry to go on but I am really fed up with reading these shitty comments by people who only seem to post one negative message and then are never seen on the forum again!!!!

Probably like many other readers of the forum I am well and truely sick of reading poeple's opinions on Janelle's murder. In particular those that are laying the blame at the islanders feet and saying that they should be ashamed as nobody has been caught yet for it especially after all this time (7 months). As anyone here in NZ knows sometimes it takes 15 years for justice to prevail, as in the Teresa Cormack Case (a 6 year old murdered 15 years ago whose killer has only just been convicted) Unfortunately sometimes no-one is ever caught and convicted. This I know will be of little comfort to the family as having a conviction gives a sense of closure to something like this. BUT constanty harrassing the population of a country over the one and only murder that has happened in the last 150 years (forgive me if I have that time wrong)will not make anybody feel better. The killer is not likely to get a case of the guilts and confess because of messages posted on the forum and they may not even be on the island anymore anyway. Who is to say that it wasn't an Australian or New Zealander or anyone else who visited Norfolk at that time. I'm sorry to go on but I am really fed up with reading these shitty comments by people who only seem to post one negative message and then are never seen on the forum again!!!!

you are launching yet again another slanging match! leave denise to exprexx her sorrow over someones death and let the subject of who is to blame rest with the police without suggesting his/her location. we all wish the murderer caught and punished Their birthplace or domicile is not important

I am fed up with people using this forum to write junk. If you want to do this go somewhere else.

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Have visited your beautiful island twice and on my first trip visited your markets and bought a jar of pineapple relish. It was just so delicious. I have never been able to find a recipe for this relish in Australia and was wondering if someone would be so kind to send me the recipe or if they know of the lady who sold it, could they please contact her regarding my request. I would be ever so grateful for the recipe. I hope to visit Norfolk again as it is just so relaxing and a beautiful place to get away from it all.

Are we going to have to read this tripe at the end of every month? scroll down love, it's all been said before, both for and against. If you have something original and fresh to say then say it but one thing is for sure, the locals are not responsible for solving this crime and neither are they guilty needing to prove their innocence through compulsory finger printing as your comments suggest. I'd suggest you look a little closer to home to launch a witch hunt.

Seven months gone and still no one has been apprehended for this crime. Legislation has to be made for the compulsary involvement of those who did not come forward for finger printing. To all concerned you have let down those that want to see justice done. Janelle lost her life and her perpetrator is still going on with his or her life without a care of what they have done. Janelle's life was cut short she did not deserve this nor did her parents. How about cooperating with the police to solve this crime. Some over there know what happened time to confess. No more heads in the sand over this matter it has to be solved for all involved.

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Having read the recent entries on the Forum, I would suggest that not everyone is an academic and those who struggle, be it that they are not good spellers and perhaps have difficulty in comprehending maths are sometimes very well apt at using their hands to do manual work and carpentry etc. This is always needed and like on the mainland there are getting less young people doing a trade - in those fields of work. Are we letting the youth down in our schools? I know each must help themselves through life but some need just that extra help along the way - please do something before it is too late to save some of these youth - they are angry and frustrated with their lot. Try a little kindness and stop putting them down would be a start in the right direction. You cannot always depend on your tourist industry as was dealt out with the bombing in Bali - so you must establish back up industries to fall back on through the tough times, should your tourist industry ever suffer. Perhaps many cannot afford to come to the mainland for training - your Administration could cut out the "junkets" they have to the mainland and consultancy fees and use the money to fund the further education and training of your youth?

Norfolk's insurmountable limitations (geographical size, population, resources and island culture) make it nigh impossible to be able to maintain the interest of it's youth much beyond their late teens, especially with the regular contact they have with Australian/NZ culture. While we should certainly try to do more, looking beyond Norfolk we see this is the bane of all small communities and results in the sprawling urbanisation of major cities across the globe, the huge South Pacific Islander population in Auckland is testimony to this (as are the 14M people living in Beijing!). What is different for Norfolk is that a good number of our people return with qualifications, a better understanding of the world and are better able to contribute to the island. Surely we should be doing more to prepare them for the move. The spelling, gammar and attitude on display in StealthGTR's submissions show what an abysmal job we are doing of this right now! Furthermore we need to do more to make it easier for them to later return and stay. Every family that returns has to go through so much red tape to get residency for their spouse and children born off the island, those wishing to buy a home in preparation for returning must pay absentee land owners taxes. The recent debacle well documented in here by Darlene shows how far we have to go towards appreciating and making a place for our people. There have been a number of submissions regarding the poor attitudes of our youth. Having done all of my schooling up maddlegaet I am very aware of what is being alluded to. It has nothing to do with "chucking wheelies" or tearing up "doughnuts" which is all clean fun and those calling for our kids to leave the island because of them need to get a life themselves. As to who is responsible for this attitude, parents, teachers, poor role models? probably all, the whole community. This attitude as I have seen it confuses rudeness and obnoxiousness with being cool, being a local and therefore something special and untouchable. The community as a whole needs to address this. BTW Joe they have Year 12 now which is supposed to qualify our kids for University, I would be very interested to hear if they have had any of "ours" matriculate through to university.

Forty years or so ago I too left Norfolk in mid-teens for exactly the same reasons put forward by a number of the preceding contributors on this topic. It's sad to see that nothing much seems to have changed in over four decades with regard to educational & training opportunities for Norfolk's 'Youth'. In those days you could only go as far as the NSW 'School Certificate' (Ithink that's what it was called) ie. you could not get your 'Leaving Certificate' or matriculate to University on Norfolk. If this is still the case then shame on the NI Government ...particularly considering that the Pitcairn Island's Constitution of 30 November 1838 was the first example of black letter law anywhere in the English-speaking world which legislated for compulsory education (as well as the first legislative enactment of universal female sufferage). _______________________________________________________________________________________ Why does the NI Gov't. not give more focus to economic diversification & the career opportunities for the Island's 'Youth' that intelligent 'Industry-Policy' would generate? The recent events in Bali tragically underscore the dangers of putting all economic eggs in one basket - Bali's tourism industry & all associated downstream employment is just about dead in the water. ___________________________________________ 'Maritime' industries would appear to be the logical first step in terms of 'Industry-Policy' geared toward intelligent economic diversification. Many years ago a very clever & practical gentleman named Frankie Christian proposed the creation of a sheltered yachting marina in the Kingston commons area which would have enabled Norfolk to tap into the potentially very lucrative trans-Pacific yachting supply/provisioning/maintenance/storage/crewing industry. Such a large-scale infrastructure project (ie. for a small Island) could well serve as Norfolk's 'Snowy-River' scheme, opening up a range of spin-off subsidiary industries such as high-valu-add aquaculture (eg. smoked 'Wunna' roe which sells for a couple of hundred US$/oz. in Japan) & especially Maritime Education & Training ...Norfolk would be an ideal campus- extension location for the Australian Maritime College (AMC) cf.-http://www.amc.edu.au/Welcome_to_AMC/History/history.html - especially given that Norfolk leverages Australia's 'Exclusive Economic Zone' (EEZ) by thousands of square kilometres cf.- http://www.auslig.gov.au/mapping/marbound/bndrs.htm#afz________________ I believe that Norfolk's charms could easily attract 'Maritime Training' students from Europe, North America & Japan ...such students would need to be accomodated, fed & transported etc. - ie. the foundation of a potentially lucrative new long-term & stable industry for Norfolk. Not least amongst the 'economic synergies' that a large-scale public infrastructure project as this would generate, would be crewing opportunities for well-trained & qualified local youth ...what better 'rite of passage' & way to see the world than to sail around it & get paid for doing so?? What better way to appreciate what you've got on Norfolk than to see for yourself the chaos, misery & hopelessness which is the everyday reality of the overwhelming majority of 'Youth' on the Planet.

It aint only the youth who need to grow up. There are some out there who are parents who could do with a good kick up ar poett, and some of these young men have huge attitudes and chips as well - just look at those who drive the tonka type trucks. Little boys in big mens shoes. So come on, and it only the youth who need to meet the real world - there are those who are nudging the 30's & 40's who should grow up as well.

U must be joking right? like there gonna give a rats ass, as to what we (youth) think, sorry bro but my in my opinion the don't realyy care about us :) peace out

Geoff Le Cren, I absolutely agree with you. I grew up on Norfolk myself and I'm so glad that I moved to Sydney - not only to further my education, but i got the chance to experience life out of Norfolk and I'm doing things that I would never had gotten the chance to do had I stayed there. StealthGTR, if you find things so bad i suggest that you do move to Australia or New Zealand or wherever fickles your tancy to get further education to gain qualifications as you're not likely to get that living on Norfolk. Get out there and do something with your life. It's just a simple factor of living on Norfolk that if you want to get qualifications - you need to get off the island. This is assuming that you've stayed on Norfolk and hadn't done anything in regards to getting training and watnot since school. And instead of whinging about how there's not much things for the youth of Norfolk to do - why not do something constructive about it? Bring it up with the local Government, come up with some ideas as to what they could do for the youth of Norfolk. Do something about it then if you feel so passionately.

If you can't find work and Norfolk Island is boring you, get off the island and get a life as Geoff LeCren said, stop feeling sorry for yourselves only you can make your life better. Perhaps you might like to smarten up and fight for some of those TEP jobs on the island. Nobody owes you guys, you have to work to achieve your dreams. Just don't destroy Norfolk for others who enjoy living there in peace and harmony.

Being 19 and still on Norfolk it almost goes without saying you are disillusioned brud - been there done that!! A long spell in the "big smoke" should help to put things into perspective - as they say you have your whole life ahead of you, Good Luck! Norfolk is still the real world, where hard work, diligence, and manners gets you ahead. Only if you are too lazy or "jes plaen mard" Norfolk is a great haven too, too many a "ouwas sullun" never grew out of it and go on to be role models that are too easy for the young to follow. This in my humble opinion is closer to where the problem lies.

Yeah fair enough jeff, i geuss i was just dissalosioned k i get the point im outta here :)

Well done Geoff. You are 100% correct, and you are man and honest enough to sign your name, and spell the truth. You left here for the real world a long time ago, and you have done very well for yourself. Well done. As for the comments of the concerned onlooker - who the H E L L would employ some of the young kids on Norfolk who have the attitude they have, and carry on the way they do. Maybe if they got a life and grew up, people might give them a chance, but this constant attitude and chip on the old block gets one no where especially on a little island. I have a lot of time for the youth, but they really are getting worse with time. The way some of em carry on here on Norfolk is intolerable, and there is no excuse. It is crap to say they need to be heard, the trouble is they rule their parents and the parents allow it. This is where the fault lies. We are not talking about one or two people here - we are talking about 95% of the youth. If they want good jobs, they need to grow up and be responsible.

One day we all have to grow up and begin to live with ourselves, at 16 it's easy to blame everyone else but at 19 and so dissaffected with the island and it's ways it's time to stand up on your own and decide for yourself. Nobody owes you a life, go out and get one! If you can't find it on Norfolk do what I and most other Norfolk Islanders do at that time in our lives, leave! Norfolk is what it is and one day you will appreciate it for that, hopefully you will then be able to make a positive difference instead of being a spoilt little brat.

Better smarten up over there, look after your youth don't just discard them as being nothing but nuisances. I'd say half the problem is too many now living on the island and not enough jobs for all but the elite members of the population and their family network as seems to be in Administration. Give the rest of your population a go before its too late and you have serious problems on your hands. Even the so called University has been telling porkies and suggesting it is something it is definately not, but it will be paying a big price for that. Such dishonesty will not be tolerated, so the Australia Government has indicated. Just to finish off - have the police gone to sleep on your island? It's 7 months since Janelle died and they are no further in solving this crime. It always was a holiday home for the Fed's, not too much work gets done but plenty of recreation - this goes back to the 50's guess nothing has changed.

What ignorance you have writing the rhetoric that you have you pathetic little soul. Some of you teenagers have such hang ups it's not funny - and you know what? we don't want you here. Get out of your rutt and get a life you ignoramus foul mouthed swine. How embarrassing for the intelligent folk to read. Great advertising for the island. Stop making excuses and grab a hold of reality before it grabs you!

Seems like the more things change the more they stay the same ...Norfolk's Achilles Heel has ALWAYS been disaffected youth - particularly in the post-war period; pre-war most young people were working their butts off from sunup to sundown & then some, just to keep body & soul together. HOWEVER the high-jinks do seem to have gotten a bit tamer over the decades since I decamped for the very reasons 'StealthGTR' has articulated so cogently ...I seem to recall that one present day establishment-worthy in the Telco sector, once wiped out an entire banana plantation at one of the local hotels with a series of fishtails & wheelies in an old V8 (makes black marks on the road look pretty tame) ...not to mention the pair of budding aviators who once took off from the NI airstrip for a low earth-orbit joyflight in a Holden Monaro wiping out a large swathe off plantation palms on reentry - & lived to tell the tale ...& we won't mention the now respectable pillars of the establishment who in their not so innocent youth used to roll tyres filled with burning petrol down onto the coppers residence after midnight to coincide with the rampaging of a young steer their 'Beagleing' mates had just forced through the coppers bedroom window; & these are just the tip of what was a very large iceberg of juvenile delinquency & mayhem in the "good old days".

Well i read most of the forum and geez what a bunch of fuckin winging pricks i mean for god sakes oooh a couple of black marks on the road ffs get a life, i mean what r we spose to do on this island.....ride motorbikes? well admin have already fenced of most of the island and if the cops see u without a light on your bike they'll slap you with a $250 dollar fine, the treat it like it's the god damn freeway or something i mean riding you motorbike at daytime without a light isn't dangerous and they know it....nice well we can't do that then.....ohh well we'll go surfing.... yeah censored at kingstone...go out anson crap there too... ohh wait ill check bumby nah just as crap as kingstone...ohh well there goes that idea.. anyway surfing and swimming gets a bit stale after living here and doin the same thing for 19 years.... so what is there for the youth to do....hey ohh yeah the movies (lmao) once a month what a joke, or maybee we could just chill in town, yay the only other thing i can think of is to go fishing.. but as you real islanders know there's not a censored of a lot of fish around at the moment.. especially around the crack, i wonder if thats because all the guys with there 16+ foot boats go out the and skin it..leaving nothing for the ppl with tinny's or little boats ( yes you Kim Friend ) it makes me sick, y don't you guys try fishing with all your fanncy fish fish finders and gps's mybee that way we with little boats might be able to go out and catch a feed too. So as you can see this is but one youth of this shithouse islands veiw... all this island is, is a bunch of back stabbing, big mouth gossip boxes everyone talks behind each others backs its fuckin pathetic... i mean ppl know about stuff that i was meant too of done before i do... this island is killing us young ppl we learn nothing about the real world, and don't tell me its a good place to grow up.. there's just as much or more drugs and booze here that anywhere so if your all thinking that ill bring my kids up here well think again. i mean i smoked weed at school ( no im not bragging for the old ppl who don't understand us young ppl) and the teachers didn't do nothin no offers of help or anything ind im sure ass censored they new. No wonder our kids get such low school marks i mean all the tep's bring there kids over and there almost as smart as the ppl running this shithole rock... kids can get into booze and drugs at alot earlier age over here all the gotta do is ask someone to get them a case or whatever.. and yeah they used to sell ciggies to us underage so before you old cunts diss us young ppl take a look at yourselves :) thanks for listening to winge for the year.............don't even get me started about our goverment or admin or the ROADS i mean censored what i joke nobody told me i need a 4WD just to go into town without getting bogged in a pothole..sort of remindes me of the phones..help offered but no we've go to much fuckin pride to let aussie help even tho' we sure as censored need it... and yeah you can bet your bottom dollar that NI will get mobile phones one day so y not today with a Mill of aussie money cause otherwise were gonna have to pay the whole dammn lot.. and i bet you rich fucks are thge ones who don't want it.. but if it does come over here you'll be the first inline to get it( mobiles ) peace out :)

"The hardcore islanders are correct...Norfolk Island is only for descendants of the HMS Bounty and my arrival would only be a violation of the privilage that those descendants have earned through lineage." Sorry, - & no offence intended - but the above is fairly typical schmaltzy yank-crap, which might pass muster on an Oprah histrionics-orgy ...but not on this forum. The Bounty Descendants have been constantly & quite happily absorbing 'foreigners' ever since the arrival of John Buffet & John Evans in 1823 followed by George Hun Nobbs in 1828 ...& where would we be today without the wonderful contribution made by all of them? Contrary to the occasional 'inbreeding' jibes we get from small-minded bigots who know nothing of our history or cultural imperatives, 'exogamy' has always been a strong cultural preference amongst the Bounty Descendants ...which is why a baseline population of 34 in 1800 has grown into a Pitcairner Diaspora numbering many thousands just over two centuries later. BTY, you can also celebrate Thanksgiving Day here ...the Island's adoption of Thanksgiving Day as a public holiday arose out of its association with American whaling ships. Norfolk Island is now the only place where Thanksgiving is celebrated outside the United States and its dependencies.

The last thing Norfolk needs,is to be promoted as a world class surf destination, because it is'nt!If you were to come here with that impression you will be very disappointed.Don't get me wrong we do get waves over here,but 90% of the time it blows on shore as all the breaks are limited to one side of the island.To be honest with you Norfolk has just enough waves for the small local surfing population and thats the way we would like to keep it.By all means pay us a visit,but don't expect G-land or Nias style waves,because unfortunatley we don't have them.

Sir: Getting to Norfolk Island from the US east coast (exact opposite side of the planet) remains nothing more complicated than a flight over the south pole to Sydney and a shuttle-plane to the island. What on earth are you doing in China, coming from "the States"? Please be advised that "paradise" within the human race cannot exist without scars. I stand by my former statement that one unsolved murder in 150 years is INDEED "paradise" or as close to it as any civililzation amongst the human race could ever achieve! I do pray that this single murder gets solved...at the same time, I pray that justice is served in Bali and in the DC/MD/VA area of my own country where the sniper (still at large) claimed his eleventh victim in two weeks time! How many unsolved murders have taken place in your beloved China within the last 150 years? Since my first posting here (the http://www.nfl.com error/blessing), I have become fascinated with this island, its people and its culture. I have actually started reading Norfolk Island historical publications as well as folklore. I have come to respect this culture enough to probably choose never to visit. The hardcore islanders are correct...Norfolk Island is only for descendants of the HMS Bounty and my arrival would only be a violation of the privilage that those descendants have earned through lineage. This is my own worthless opinion and is not meant to clash with any other. As opinions remain ONLY "opinions", I would never attempt to force it on anyone else. I was a bit uneasy, reading the "Real Estate" section of this website. I could actually afford some of those beautiful homes that are marketed to the world for purchase, but I would never be truly accepted; even if I 'bought' my way there. I remain one of the majority of the world's inhabitants whom share the imperfection of not having any Norfolk Island roots. :( I did not err when I stated that "Norfolk Island" IS "paradise"! Take Care, All...God Bless Norfolk Island/"Paradise"!

I must say I am pleased to see a local teenager taking part in this forum, I guess when you see the grownups acting the way they have been of late on Norfolk you must be pretty sad that such an example is being set for you to follow. We have the same problems in Sydney of bored youth driving fast and putting rubber marks on the road, this is their way of crying out for attention and recognition. This happens when there is lack of employment and low selfworth, and those they seek to make things better for them are too busy feathering their own nests to be bothered to find solutions. We are all guilty of self indulgence and find we have a generation of youth now who are lost and need assistance - they need encouragement all the way to better their lives. These youth can't be all that bad they must be helped to find other ways to burn up their energy - Norfolkers lead a helping hand and save the youth of your island before it is too late. Can't they be given some of these TEP positions - you might be surprised they might just do a good job.

Norfolk's got some of the best undiscovered breaks in the world - whether you can get to them or not depends on the size of your cojones...

Gawd, yourlye are a pack of wankers, serious, grow the f**k up for christs sake. so theres a few marks on a road, who cares, no one got hurt, and if u all used ur brains for once instead of fighting on this forum, u could pin point the people easy as. it might also help the the police force stopped sending us the fat lazy cops and gave us some real police who might actually do there job for once. im not gonna start pointing names but there are a lot of youth out there who are doing this stupid censored, alls u would hava do is get the cops to sit in town or near kingston randamly for a bit, catch the cunts and take there licence, it would do us all a favour. serious, norfolks a great place but we have to look after it, and we have to start thinking of a future now, not worrying bout a few marks, we should be putting our money where are mouths are, and instead of waiting for everyone else to do everything for us, we should do it ourselves, i dont know yourlye, but we might as well call us americans from now on, casue where behaving like them, squabbling over this and that instead of doing something, i may be only a teenager on norfolk, but when i see stuff like this, im not even proud to call myself a norfolk islander. grow up

Now is your chance to cash in on the unfortunate circumstances in Bali.No disrespect to the Balinese , they are very special and gentle people.They will have to put in a big effort to save their Tourism industry of Australian and overseas visitors. Whilst Aussies may want to stay close to home now - this is your one chance to tempt tourists to your shores - don't let the opportunity slip by. Cut out the bitching and turning on one another - work together for the good of Norfolk Island.

Why are so many so angry and bitter on this forum. Hundreds have been injured and many have lost their lives in Bali and your'e worrying about a few skid marks on the roads on Norfolk.Yes there are many angry and frustrated youth around the world and on Norfolk, they just lash out because no one with stop for a moment and listen to their grievances. Perhaps some on Norfolk are affected and angry about Janelle's murder the fact that it happened in your paradise is enough to cause built up anger. Please don't let all this blame and in-fighting destroy what you have over there. Also there are many outsiders living in your paradise but you should all try to get along - life is too short as we have seen this past weekend. We are here one day and our lives can be snuffed out the next. Peace & Love to all of you.

Always seems to be one person or another on here trying to "t" us off! Why would anyone bother to make that entry over and over?? Get a life!!!

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How typical, just because everyone is talking about dosent always mean its true. How many times have you heard people raving on about someone or something and then find out days later it was just another great rumour? Like the murder there was quite a few names thrown around then but hey there is still no arrest, but it must have been one of them because everyone was talking about it. Maybe something will bve done to this person but that is not for you to decide it is up to the poor people involved to take action.

Oh dear - it looks like we have hit close to the bone. Maybe our web friend Mr Flynn can trace your web details and tell us who you are! He has successfully done that before. You are to be pitied and felt sorry for, as obviously you are going NO WHERE!!

as i see it you are all a pack of inbreds

i was just looking up norfolk island in regards to surfing. are there any good reef/point breaks on the island? sounds like all you people are having a hissy fit over some little marks on some roads, my solution to the problem is, who gives a censored about some 'skid' marks. find something worthwhile to worry about like promoting norfolk island as a world class wave destination. now theres an idea.

I have to agree wholeheartedly with your comments. But I would like to add the following. We don't only need to wonder about what happens in the homes of these idiots,..we also need to wonder where the cops are when these fools are on the roads. Let's face it, there are enough of them here so why can't they work around the clock until they catch these damn fools. I guess it is like everything else though,...someone will have to get seriously hurt or even killed before any action is taken - hence the saying "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted". I think it is a disgrace to see the state of the roads especially Kingston and in the shopping area. Maybe Norfolk needs to look at a Neighbourhood watch??? this will thin out to ignorant souls driving around all day and night. So grow up you lot, and see how far you would get on the mainland carrying on the way you do on Norfolk. That is why you all are here, because you know you won't last 5 minutes in the "real world".

One can't help but feel sorry for the idle, ignorant, brainless, disgraceful and pity we have them idiots who have been making skid marks on roads around Norfolk. You people are pathetic! No wonder there are those who are blaming us for the terrible crime that happened her in March. Idiots like you lot ask for it, but sadly all of us suffer. Why don't you all get off Norfolk, get out of the ruts and try to heal and mend the terrible attitudes and chips you all carry on your shoulders. You are a damn disgrace to this island and society. I just hope that when the cops catch you all, he chucks the keys to the gaol away. I think it is the only way you dickheads will grow up. I along with the rest of the island was young once, but we certainly were not destructive and a hindrance as you lot are. You poor idiots - one has to wonder about what happens in your homes. So grow up, act your ages and if you can't handle dope and booze, leave it alone. Norfolk does not need people like you fools here - islanders or not.

Hmm...I'm thinking that a trip from Virginia/Maryland (US East Coast, for those who don't know) to Norfolk Island would be one heck of a trip. Hehe, you may actually find it very difficult to visit this remote island. In fact, it is already difficult enough to visit Australia, as it is, from the East Coast. Thankfully, I've moved to China, and the trip is less strenuous. I, too, would be interested in visiting this paradise island. As for the murder, I'm afraid I don't know very much about it. However, it seems very unfortunate that you Islanders must put up with such an incidence in a "paradise".

If this is the standard of Headmaster in control of your local Public School, he should be disiplined and sent from the island. What an example he is setting for those children following his guidance. I'd say he had definately lost the plot!

What a bloody comment to make "I pick myse nose", certainly got to you now yeh "head", but then again every class had a kid in it that picked his nose but most grew out of the habit by the time they grew grey whiskers. Hope your new school like the comment & can provide the tissues, so you dont teach those prim & propers any bad habits. How Old U? If it wasn't serious it would be funny but no mind time to pack up when your packer arrives & take your pickings with you if any cos I don't think there is too much of anything up there if you went a little further past the nose. "I can sneeze clearly now, Da Head Has Gone"

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Gude fe yu Mr Miles. Taking cheap shots in public without adding your name is pretty low! Too much of that happens in here. En dar ent da bas fe ouwas weays.

ANS I PICK MY NOSE AS WELL !! Sign your names to these criticisms my friends and let the Norfolk community see who are making these bold comments about the "Whinging Headmaster". Such courageous people hiding behind their anonimity and false email addresses.

AND I PICK MY NOSE AS WELL!! Sign your name to these criticisms my friends and let the Norfolk community see who is making these bold comments about the 'Whinging Headmaster'. Such courageous people hiding behind their wall of anonimity and false email addresses! Ron Miles

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The referenced site sould be of interest to all Pitkern Descendants & Bountyphiles: "Benjamin Blaydes, commissioned the building of the Bethia (probably in a dockyard adjacent to the house), or, as it was later renamed by the Royal Navy, the Bounty. There are two ways you can help us in our mission to restore Blaydes House and turn it into the home of the University of Hull Maritime Historical Studies Centre. One way is to purchase a specially produced print -- ‘Bounty in Home Waters’ -- of a painting specially produced for us by a local artist. We receive a donation for each copy of this print that is sold. Keep this site in mind for the future. ‘Bounty in Home Waters’ is only the first in a series -- the Blaydes House series -- of several paintings featuring the history of the Bounty." reference: The Bounty, Blaydes House and the University of Hull _______________________________________________________________________________________ http://www.hull.ac.uk/alumni/blaydes.html ...oh, & as a minor footnote here's a mug-shot of the overbearing, anal-retentive, dummy-spitter who started it all:

Nor tullen Australia Date: Tuesday, October 1, 19102 at 09:17:31 Subject: Whinging Headmasters Submission: Bring back the great Headmasters of the past the late Clarrie Willoughby and the late Neville Kay - they never whinged and did good for Norfolk Public School and its pupils - what has got this Miles fellow going? Too much of a good thing I'd reckon. Name: A Norfolk Taxpayer Email:Many address's Location: Norfolk, Norfolk Date: Tuesday, October 1, 19102 at 03:24:07 Subject: Ron Bloody Miles - WHINING HEADMASTER Submission: IF I WERE YOU RON I WOULD FEEL BLOODY LUCKY THAT YOU HAD THE PRIVELEGE TO WORK ON NORFOLK FOR A WHILE AND EARN SOME TAX FREE DOLLARS. WE COMPLETELY PAY YOUR WAGE, INCLUDING THE AUSTRALIAN TAX COMPONENT AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO BACK AS SOON AS YOU WANT. YOU REALLY HAVENT CONTRIBUTED MUCH COMPARED TO OTHER HEADMASTERS AND HAVE NOT EALLY FITTED IN AT ALL. YOU ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAID PERSONS ON THE ISLAND, YOU DRIVE A CRAPPY CAR AND DODGE OUR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS LEVY. YOU HAVE HAD YOUR TIME HERE NOW DEPART ASAP. ONE THING OUR YOUTH CAN DO WITHOUT IS A WHINGER LIKE YOU AS A PERSON THAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING UP TO.

How lovely to be able to sit in your glass house and throw stones. Its unbelievable that 1 murder in 150 years has created such a storm from off Island when you all read/hear/face it EVERY DAY. It has really affected the lives of the people who live here, and for you MORONS who so openly acuse the Locals of doing it be aware that on Norfolk the day of the murder there were some 700 AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND visitors, EXCLUDING our AUSTRALIAN & NEW ZEALAND Itinerate workers - ALL JUST AS BIG A SUSPECT AS ANY. NO WORD OF ANY OF THEM NOT COMING FORWARD FOR FINGER PRINTING... The Patton Family has the sympathy of ALL on Norfolk and we are just as eager for a result as any one else, but the continual criticism from the likes of MORON LION KING does not help anyone, especially the PATTON family. So go do something constructive for your country, call crime stoppers, join the Police Force and get out of your glass house and keep your censored off this sight....Incidently Lion King - were you on Norfolk on Easter Sunday?????????????????????????????????????????????

The referenced site sould be of interest to all Pitkern Descendants & Bountyphiles: "Benjamin Blaydes, commissioned the building of the Bethia (probably in a dockyard adjacent to the house), or, as it was later renamed by the Royal Navy, the Bounty. There are two ways you can help us in our mission to restore Blaydes House and turn it into the home of the University of Hull Maritime Historical Studies Centre. One way is to purchase a specially produced print -- ‘Bounty in Home Waters’ -- of a painting specially produced for us by a local artist. We receive a donation for each copy of this print that is sold. Keep this site in mind for the future. ‘Bounty in Home Waters’ is only the first in a series -- the Blaydes House series -- of several paintings featuring the history of the Bounty." reference: The Bounty, Blaydes House and the University of Hull _______________________________________________________________________________________ http://www.hull.ac.uk/alumni/blaydes.html ...oh, & as a minor footnote here's a mug-shot of the overbearing, anal-retentive, dummy-spitter who started it all: http://www.geocities.com/~jlhagan/chronicles/catalogue/bligh.htm

Greetings All, Dem nor Larnen Editon 6 is on line. http://www.geocities.com/demnorlarnen/DemNorLarnen6.html to gasping for news .. we do the best we can .. In the 3 strikes and your out game .. we only try and hit home runs.. as for bonuses or promotions.. unless we change our publication to Executive Dem Nor Larnen - that won't happen so wait your patience.. if we do one issue a month then we as regular as ever gonna happen regards and send me your input Dem nor larnen - Editor and chief

Nor, Indeed, it is an honor to be welcomed here! Right now, there is a sharpshooting sniper running around loose shooting people at random from 200-300 meters away with his AR-15 assault rifle. Six have perished so far. Benjamin and Erika Sifrit are in custody and on trial for murdering, dismembering and dumping the bodies of a northern Virginia couple as a reward for their giving a dollar for bus-fare in Ocean City, MD. These tidbits are only a small examples of crime in America. I think my chances of getting killed when I was in the Army were probably less! LOL! What more can one do? Any of us could meet our maker at any time, however life goes on and we must try to make the best of it. I think I will grab a fine ale...I raise my glass in your honor and to that of Norfolk Island! :) Take Care!

Thank you very much for your positive comments. Quite a change really. It is a pity there aren't more people like you placing nice comments in relation to the crime, but instead, they appear to know it all and say bad and negative things. I guess it all has alot to do with upbringing, education etc. There are some very small minded, twisted, bitter and nasty people with huge chips on their shoulders around. Damn Yank, you are welcome to visit our paradise. Thank you again for your most welcome and positive comments.

Good Afternoon, Islanders! You are not going to believe this, but I SWEAR it to be true! I had just logged onto the internet and was destined for http://www.nfl.com to check the football (American football...not soccer) scores when one of my fingers accidentally pressed the "ENTER" button! Your website reveals a discreet land that I formerly knew very little about and with America's record, you would probably prefer it that way! I started clicking around your corner of cyberspace and cannot seem to get enough! My condolences go out to the entire island concerning the single murder that so many people are writing about. I must say that I wish my own country had only one muder in the last 150 years, even though one is too many. Anyway, I think Norfolk Island is beautiful and hope to someday experience the honor to visit. Take Care Always! :)

Good on you and thanks. There are some truly ignorant people on and off Norfolk who write their crap on here. It is a worry that so many people are only concerned about the murder. You are either very bloody busy body or you have little else to do. Get a life love, and get on with it. I hope all you morons who have said a local committed the crime, are made to eat your words. Tables turn and dogs have their days you mutt!! So keep the censored of this site. You aint welcome. Go back to where you belong.

"Lion King"/"Galah"/"Dick Head" - whatever ...three *_AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE_* Officers, plus locally employed special members, provide baseline police and ancillary services to Norfolk Island in accordance with an arrangement between the Commonwealth and the Norfolk Island Administration; if you've got issues with how the AFP is handling the Patton Case - take it up with THEM on (02) 6256 7777 or deliver your critique to: http://www.crimestoppers.com.au/ _______________________________________________________________________________________ This is not a crime-stopper forum & the residents of Norfolk Island are not responsible for prosecuting the investigation of this crime - YOU LOW-GRADE MORON!!!

What is the latest update on the investigation? Hope the 300+ have had a change of heart and come forward for fingerprinting. Seems life just goes on regardless on Norfolk. Yes folks a murder was committed on your island, possibly a local did it - does anyone really care? Too much focusing on Focus 2002 and not enough focusing on solving the murder seems to be what is happening. The culprit must be pretty confident they have eluded arrest, and why wouldn't they think this way its going on seven long months since Janelle lost her life and thus far they the guilty still have their freedom. Her poor family must be so frustrated that no one has been caught for this crime.

I rest my case, just looked in on the new Admin site, very impressive. Is this part of Focus 2002 - the getting of a new image? I will stay tuned for the next newsletter with interest.

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NO need to get smart matey - you obviously haven't seen the new look to the admin web site. First things first. Patience is a virtue - so stop gasping for now.

Must be all peace in Administration at the moment, or the editors of Dem Nor Larnen are on strike! Have they offered you all more money to keep quiet? Or has the order gone out one more strike are yorlye are down for the count (out the door).Just when we on the mainland were enjoying the lampooning of the goings on down Kingston. Perhaps the writers of the newsletter have been given a big fat bonus to shut up or maybe a promotion up the perch.

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We are rapidly approaching the Sesquicentenary of Settlement (8 June 2006) of Norfolk Island by the Pitcairn Islanders; & with it another major watershed in the history of the Bounty Descendants: are we to remain a Free & Independant Nation or will we continue to be absorbed - osmotically - into the Oz-Commonwealth as a defacto extension of Australia's Gold-Coast-Culcha-of-Mammon-&-Stupor. _______________________________________________________________________________________ I suggest we: 1) Declare ourselves to be the Independant Republic of Norfolk Island on 8 June 2006 2) Establish the 'The Bounty Confederacy' embracing Pitcairn Island, Norfolk Island & the Kermadecs (with the Pitcairner's consent of course) 3) Champion the establishment of 'The Commonwealth of Oceania' embracing all the Islands of Polynesia as a countervailing force to preserve 'The Pacific Way' against the predations of US-Globalization, as propagated throughout Oceania by Australia/New-Zealand._______________________________________________________________________________ FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE; WE ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF MUTINEERS & REBELS ...ONLY BY ACTIVELY FIGHTING TO BETTER OUR PLACE IN THE WORLD - AS OUR ANCESTORS DID - WILL WE CONTINUE TO SURVIVE AS A FREE & INDEPENDANT NATION.________________________________________________________________________________ I would urge all Pitcairn Descendants to study the following document as if your children's future depended on it: SUBMISSIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF NORFOLK ISLAND to the JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE REPUBLIC REFERENDUM _________________________ REVIEW OF CONSTITUTION ALTERATION (ESTABLISHMENT OF REPUBLIC) 1999 and PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE BILL 1999 _____________________ JULY 1999 http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/republic/subs/sub89.pdf see also: http://www.lanecc.edu/library/don/norfolk.htm

As i read though these latest words within our forum, i was taken back to a passage written by the late Albert Einstein. It was an address to the children. "I rejoice to see you before me to-day, happy youth of a sunny and fortunate land. Bear in mind that the wonderful things you learn in your schools are the work of many generations, produced by enthusiastic effort and infinite labour in every country of the world. All this is put into your hands as your inheritance in order that you may receive it, honour it, add to it, and one day faithfully hand it on to your children. Thus do we mortals achive immortality in the permanent things which we create in common. If you always keep that in mind you will find a meaning in life and work and acquire the right attitude towards other nations and ages". Due to the unsettled climate on our Island home and throughout the world i thought i kind of fitting to share. All the best and keep posting to the forum.

Bring back the great Headmasters of the past the late Clarrie Willoughby and the late Neville Kay - they never whinged and did good for Norfolk Public School and its pupils - what has got this Miles fellow going? Too much of a good thing I'd reckon.

IF I WERE YOU RON I WOULD FEEL BLOODY LUCKY THAT YOU HAD THE PRIVELEGE TO WORK ON NORFOLK FOR A WHILE AND EARN SOME TAX FREE DOLLARS. WE COMPLETELY PAY YOUR WAGE, INCLUDING THE AUSTRALIAN TAX COMPONENT AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO BACK AS SOON AS YOU WANT. YOU REALLY HAVENT CONTRIBUTED MUCH COMPARED TO OTHER HEADMASTERS AND HAVE NOT EALLY FITTED IN AT ALL. YOU ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAID PERSONS ON THE ISLAND, YOU DRIVE A CRAPPY CAR AND DODGE OUR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS LEVY. YOU HAVE HAD YOUR TIME HERE NOW DEPART ASAP. ONE THING OUR YOUTH CAN DO WITHOUT IS A WHINGER LIKE YOU AS A PERSON THAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING UP TO.

Pastry Ingredients - 2 cups SR Flour, Milk to mix, 2 tablesppons butter or margarine & salt. Ingredients for Butter Sauce - 1 cup hot milk, salt, 1 tablespoon butter, cornflour to thicken, 1 small tsp. salt, 1 tablespoon vinegar - plus 1 cup shelled hi-hi. xx Put Hi- Hi in cold salt water Peferably sea water and bring to boil for 5 minutes and remove from heat. Strain and cool, remove shells. Make butter sauce as follows - Melt butter in suacepan, mix in flour until smooth and add hot milk stirring until thick. Leave to cool. Add tablesppon of vinegar to cooled shelled hi-hi, and salt. Add this to white suace. Line tart tin with pastry and add filling and cover with pastry. Cook in moderate oven for 1 hour. Enjoy yorlye

The Australasian Wine Industry began on Norfolk Island. Are there any remnants of this pioneering Oceanic viticulture remaining on Norfolk? ============================================================================================================================= The first vines in Australia were brought by Governor Phillip from Rio de Janeiro and the Cape of Good Hope and were planted at Norfolk Island in 1788 & some months later at Farm Cove. In 1791 there were three acres of vines in the Governor's garden at Parramatta =====AND ABOUT 800 CUTTINGS REPORTED TO BE DOING WELL ON NORFOLK ISLAND==== where the perhaps overly optimistic Commandant opined that wine would soon be exported. By 1792 Philip Schaeffer, a native of Hesse and one of the farmer-superintendents of convicts, had a one-acre vineyard on his farm at Rydalmere which he called The Vineyard. Schaeffer was the first private vinegrower in Australia and in 1797 there were 8.5 acres of vines owned by private growers. Phillip's vines did well for the first few years, providing excellent table grapes, but disease and the lack of proper management rendered the first attempts to cultivate the vine unsuccessful. What happened to Norfolk Island's Viticulture Industry?

Can some one please post the way fe mek ar hi hi pie or hi hi in cream sauce on here.....

Can some one please post the way fe mek ar hi hi pie or hi hi in cream sauce on here.....

Congratulations to Duncan Edward on his fabulous letter in last weekends paper. Ess good un fer see uwwus sullun starnen up fer uwwus rights. There should be of it. Let's stand up and stick up for Norfolk, as it about all we have left, and the more islanders who voice their thoughts and ideas either on this forum or in the paper, the better. Let's not lose our identities and cultures. Many years ago, one of my late Uncles, Charlie Unoo, who was a Council member, said that if we didn't stick up for what is ours, in years to come it will be taken away. I can see it now. Elva Yager tried to tell us all. My Mum tried to tell us all and so did many of our dear oldies who have since passed on. If they could see Norfolk as it is today, dem would tull "si d' wae wi se cum - en God halp all ucklun. Once again, good on you Dunc, and se time all ucklun larna dem wiside fer go, and starn up fer uwwus rights.

The more we lose our identity, the more we assimilate Australian culture/language (e.g. "true blue islander" quite an oxymoron there eh), the less we talk Norfolk, the more we buy into their value system the more they are going expect us to abide by their standards. Which means them having the freedom to live on Norfolk and do as they D A M N well please...I have been wondering how many of those types have gotten in and are residents, it's frightening to think.

Good orn ya love!! you are so right. It is just a shame we have so much of these "know it alls" that we seem to inherit often. We nor moosa wunt any dem yu. Norfolk was enn ell be heaps better off if we didn't have these "walk ins" that we get. Good on you and come on Norfolk come on - stand up for our rights and stop all the 5 minute wonders from trying to run our island.

Thought you might like this recipe for Guava Delicious to make use of those wonderful yellow guava you grow on Norfolk. Ingredients: 8 Large yellow ripe guava, 3 large ripe bananas, 1 cup grated coconut sugar (optional) Step. 1 Choose the best quality ripe guavas. Wash & Peel, then cut into halves. Step. 2 Scoop out the pulp & press through a sieve. Add a little sugar if desired and mix thoroughly.. Step. 3 Peel the bananas Step. 4 Cut the guava pink skins and bananas into thin slices. Step. 5 Place half the guava skin slice into a dish & cover with half the banana slices and repeat layers, guavaslices, banan slices, guava pulp & grated coconut. Cover dish and chill for 2 - 3 hours, if possible before serving. Great desert. Hope you like it when you try it next guava season.

I refer to the two letters that were recently in our local paper, one from Ron Miles and the other from Daryl Fuller. Ron Miles has been working in Norfolk Island on an Australian wage, tax free, enjoying Norfolk and its lifestyle so much (and no doubt the money)he applied for another twelve months, however our Government would not grant the extension. What gives him the right to think he should have a say in who and how our island is run? Whatever Minister is responsible for not granting Mr Miles extension...WELL DONE..I think the reason behind Mr Miles letter to the paper might be a case of sour grapes on his behalf. Then a letter from Daryl Fuller supporting Mr Miles letter. Well I understand he is on leave without pay from his position in Australia while his wife works for our Public Service for a period of 12 months. He has been here 5 minutes and thinks he should have a right to have a say in how our island is run. I think it might be a case of sour grapes on his behalf too, because he applied for a position in the service but an islander got the job. He wasn't happy about the islander get the job because he appealed the decision, however the Public Service Board agreed with the islander getting the job. Go back to Aussie the both of you, Norfolk doesn't need either of you. Most of the people of Norfolk, in a couple of years time,will be saying RON WHO? DARYL WHO? Go back to Aussie and vote there, Norfolk doesn't need either of you.

i think we should. its the only way to protect norfolk islanders and to keep aussie off our back

I am wondering what will happen to the extra waste brought about by the increased tourism anticipated from the addition of the new airline to Norfolk. I believe the tip will be closed in 2013 what then folks? What recycling goes on over there? You all need to think about this - do you want the strain of more tourists there putting your waste disposal at risk, causing an earlier than expected shut down of the tip? What has been proposed to do with the waste after 2013?

I was just wondering...Is the desire for independence strong on Norfolk Island? It seems like Australia has mistreated Norfolk Island in a way, so I would be surprised if there hasn't been much discussion about this. What are your views on the issue of independence?

Hear Ye Hear Ye! Of course everybody should be free to post on anything to do with Norfolk. While these two may have crossed the line of common decency in some of their comments that is surely for each individual to judge, that is what debate and having a forum is all about. A quick scroll down the page will show you that this site is pretty well "self policed" and fools don't get away with too much anyway! Personally I think it's great to see some of these debates, Joe Flynn, whoever the heck you are (ei too na bin narwi orn Norfolk lorng taime but ei ell larna you knoew Ball Bae still gut a huge stoen all about) is a valuable contributor but I hope you aren't going to get heavy handed with every idiot that comes in here, dont you think they add to the color of this place anyway. I for one would like to see more locals showing they cared and having an opinion about all that is happening to our homeland. There is certainly no shortage of important issues affecting Norfolk's way of life; Language, Education, Crime, Health, Government, Public Sector, Environment, Prices of Real Estate! Every where one turns we see Norfolk's lifestyle under seige. For those who are pushing relentlessly for development, remember the main stay of the islands economy is tourism, tourists who are paying to get away from the maddness, the same madness that underlies this "progress at all costs" attitude that is developing on Norfolk. I'd like to sign off in reminding you all, sometimes you don't know what you've got till it's gone...

Wow!.....Great to see this new look web page when I logged in today! Excellent!

.... but then it's not a forum ....

'Sovereign Possession' of Norfolk Island for the Pitcairn Descendants by the Sesquicentenary of Settlement: 8 June 2006...~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What better way to celebrate our Sesquicentenary of Settlement of our Norfolk Island Homeland by the Pitcairn Descendants, than to be handed the Deed of Title to our rightful Homeland by the Governor General of Australia on behalf of HM the Queen (The Pitcairn Islanders were formally incorporated into the British Empire in 1838); as the highlight of our Bounty Day Celebrations on 8 June 2006...

"I have emailed the comments from Poirot and Clouseau to our forum friend Mr Joe Flynn. He will be able to tell us who you dip sticks are. " I agree that it is not appropriate to harp on the investigation. The use of Luminol - etc. would not be common knowledge. Anyone with true knowledge of crime scene investigation would know that evidence like that is NEVER revealed to the public. As well, anyone with common sense would know that. I have no doubt that the authorities are doing everything they can to solve the case and blaming innocent people for it not being solved is ignorance. However, that being said -- It is an open forum for people to post freely their opinions and thoughts as long as they are not "threatening" to others. I do not feel it would be appropriate to reveal people's identities for having differing opinions. In fact, I almost wonder if doing so might be crossing the line and delve into privacy laws. Thus turning into to outright harrassment of people for having an opinion. I have agreed in the past with Joe Flynn exposing people who have crossed the line with spamming and posting crude comments. He also pointed us towards the proper authorities to place complaints with. This is a completely different situation with Poirot and Clouseau. We may not like the comments they've made but they have not threatened us or caused direct harm to anyone in the forum. Although somewhat tasteless -- They should be allowed to leave their messages anonymously until they cross a "harrassment" line. At that point the authorities should be informed of their actions. I hope others will agree with me. I do have a suggestion though that may stop nosey people from posting -- Make the forum private or start a second forum that requires membership. This way -- Only people who are cleared to be members may post. It will keep out the others.

Whatawieh ‘Private Eye’; …I cah check myse email from yah, cos I orn wun ole dial-up/ clapp-out 486DX2-100 overclock to 266MHz (very fraidy) un gut noe firewall (un yu nawa knowu who looken fe me :) …but I bin roun ar Apache Server Box (64.42.232.202 ) in Calgary, un I ell tull “Clueso’ orn wun client node behina firwall @ Bond University/Gold Coast …’Poirot’ orn wun client node orn Norfuk – un laik I larna yu, I nor gwen roun anything on Norfuk, orn principle.>>>>>>>>>>However, ‘Clueso’, once I get back to work on Wednesday you’re gonna have a Silicon Graphics Octane2 - V12 WorkStation (Dual MIPS 64-bit R12000A 400MHz, R14000A 550MHz and 600MHz 2MB L2 cache plus Integrated vertex processing engine & 256GB- synchronous DRAM …optioned-up with full Internet Gemmy- Tools Kit) comin at ya to kick yo candy-ass off the Forum …

I have emailed the comments from Poirot and Clouseau to our forum friend Mr Joe Flynn. He will be able to tell us who you dip sticks are.

You all are just out right b l o o d y nosey and busy body. As can be seen throughout previous submissions on this site, people like you have been traced and brought to justice on here. I hope our friend Mr Flynn can trace your identity and put a stop to this garbage. Sort out your own problems, and let the police sort this one out. We all are innocent until proven guilty smart a r s e s!

I, like my rival Clouseau, also would have thought that this was an OPEN FORUM where matters of law & order under Australian legal jurisdiction could be discussed - politely - WITHOUT CENSORSHIP. The "feelings" of all involved must take second place to objective analysis & investigation to SOLVE the crime. To date it appears that the default assumption has been that someone "local" would be the prime suspect in this crime. The use of LUMINOL to establish whether or not there are traces of blood splatter in the homicide victim's place of residence, may alter that assumption.

We all realise how long it has been since the murder. We do not need people like you reminding us. If you want to know what is happening with the case, please do not use this forum, contavt the Norfolk Island Police. They are approachable you know. When I said it was disrespectable, I mean for her friends and family who may look at this site, and also us as a community.

To Private Eye:***** It is now nearly 6 months since this crime was committed on Easter Sunday, March 31 2002 in broad daylight on an Island with no road in & no road out. The perpetrator/s have still not been apprehended. A whole community is being kept hanging on tenterhooks under a pall of suspicion & innuendo. How is it that making some standard CSI suggestions which may assist in apprehending the perpetrator/s could be construed as "disrespectful"? Perhaps you have a better suggestion as to how the perpetrator/s might be apprehended?

Waal wi gut some wea fe goe unae! Lighten up fellow citizens, moment to have a laugh! Man Slices Off Four Body Parts Thu Sep 19, 9:43 AM ET SYDNEY (Reuters) - An Australian man cut off the little finger on his right hand, then his scrotum, then his penis and finally his left hand in a drug-induced act of self-mutilation after arguing with his wife. The man, believed to be high on amphetamines, attacked himself with a carving knife Tuesday in the town of Inverell 400 miles north of Sydney, police said Thursday. "It is the most bizarre thing I have seen in 16 years in the police force," Inverell inspector Dave Harrington told Reuters. Harrington said the 38-year-old man cut off his little finger while arguing with his wife inside their Inverell house and then chased her outside. "He then proceeded to dismember his member," he said. Police said the man was lucky ambulance officers witnessed the attack and prevented him from bleeding to death, adding that police recovered several body parts and packed them in ice in the hope they could be reattached. The man was flown to Sydney for emergency microsurgery and was now in a stable condition, police said.

You P R I C K S have no respect. Take your trash elsewhere.

Is it really possible to stab someone repeatedly, wrap them in heavy-duty plastic & drag them to a vehicle WITHOUT leaving prints on the body - or items worn on the body? ****************************************************************************************** Many of us use it to mend household items. Doctors sometimes use it to close a wound without stitches. Forensic experts use it to connect a killer to a crime. You probably know it as Super Glue. Kodak introduced its super glue to North America in 1973 as a "super-strong, fast-bonding adhesive" that could support even the weight of a construction worker dangling by his helmet from a beam. Today, Super Glue is widely used to lift prints from items with previously "impossible" surfaces, such as plastic bags, car windows or even human bodies. On these materials, any brushing, smoothing or touching typically would smear or erase any print. A chemical in the glue called cyanoacrylate, however, is attracted to the amino acids, fats and proteins left behind by human touch, forming a plastic mold of the print. It was an unintended side effect. The print-lifting technique works this way: First, the object to be fingerprinted is placed in a tent or a tank with a tightly fitted top. Then Krazy Glue is placed in a metal cup and heated. The glue gives off a vapor that attaches itself to the proteins and fats left by a human hand, hardening to form a tough coating that any Super Glue consumer knows well. The results: clean fingerprints that cannot be smeared. Once formed, the coated prints can be removed from the chamber and dipped into special dyes to make them more visible. The prints are then photographed and compared to those of suspects. This technique has been used on items as small as bullet casings and as large as entire cars, and as diverse as human bodies and telephones, proving invaluable to countless investigations. Was it used on the victims body, in this homicide case?

Waal wi gut some wea fe goe unae! Lighten up fellow citizens, moment to have a laugh! Man Slices Off Four Body Parts Thu Sep 19, 9:43 AM ET SYDNEY (Reuters) - An Australian man cut off the little finger on his right hand, then his scrotum, then his penis and finally his left hand in a drug-induced act of self-mutilation after arguing with his wife. The man, believed to be high on amphetamines, attacked himself with a carving knife Tuesday in the town of Inverell 400 miles north of Sydney, police said Thursday. "It is the most bizarre thing I have seen in 16 years in the police force," Inverell inspector Dave Harrington told Reuters. Harrington said the 38-year-old man cut off his little finger while arguing with his wife inside their Inverell house and then chased her outside. "He then proceeded to dismember his member," he said. Police said the man was lucky ambulance officers witnessed the attack and prevented him from bleeding to death, adding that police recovered several body parts and packed them in ice in the hope they could be reattached. The man was flown to Sydney for emergency microsurgery and was now in a stable condition, police said.

With a little bit of luck those involved in the murder with be busy scrubbing after reading your forum entry. Maybe with the lights out perhaps they will shine in the dark as well - like those funny mushrooms, thus making for a quick arrest.

Was the homicide victim's place of residence forensically examined with LUMINOL? In a crime scene, large pools of spilled blood are easy to spot. But what about blood that's been washed away? Enter luminol. Luminol is a chemical that glows greenish-blue when it comes into contact with blood — even traces that are years old. To be exact, it reacts to hemoglobin, an oxygen-carrying protein in red-blood cells. Luminol is so sensitive, it can detect blood at 1 part per million. In other words, if there is one drop of blood within a container of 999,999 drops of water, luminol will glow. Investigators typically use luminol at crime scenes where no blood is visible. They spray the chemical over a wide area in near-total darkness, so any reaction is obvious. Officers then photograph or videotape the result, using a flash technique that picks up the glow while making the area around it visible and identifiable on film, so the context of the crime scene isn't lost. But does a glow mean there's blood present? Not necessarily. Luminol reacts to some metals, paints, cleaning products and plant matter. However, the chemical's reaction to each differs in intensity; metals, for example, cause an immediate glow that quickly fades, while blood glows longer. A specialist can tell the difference, and then perform more conclusive tests to determine whether the blood is human. Luminol also can point the way to further evidence or even to how events might have unfolded. For example, if luminol sprayed on a carpet produces a glow, officers might peel back the rug to reveal a floorboard soaked with blood. Or perhaps the glow discloses the direction in which a criminal walked or dragged a body, or whether the victim was shot from behind or above. So, to anyone thinking that a carpet cleaner or a sponge and soap will erase evidence of their crime, take note. This is one stain that cannot be "shouted out."

yeeah right big boy

Noe usa "Wonder Why". Nor gwen down ar station gut nothing fe do with bein proud Norfolk Citizen en nor maek any sullun guilty en car sleep in a night. En noe usa come en ya blame a sullun fe nor se solve dea case.

I ya tull 367 folk did not come forward in the voluntary fingerprinting. Those of you that did should be honoured for doing so. Those cowards who did not, should be made to do so by an act of the local government. The Patton family must be disgusted that no one has been brought to justice 6 months after their only daughter was murdered. Can you 367 suspects sleep well at night? We hope you toss and turn until you have the guts to front up to the police and do your duty as a Norfolk citizen to bring the culprits to justice.

Waal Sandy, putt et deffi, yu ka hoos me, en I buggered ef I knowu hoos yuu ...d'oonni sandy beaches I ell recall orn Norfuk es dem down Kingstun, dar wun owt Anson's Biay & dem roun Bumbora's ...includen secun sans; but es lorng, lorng taime sence I bin narwi orn Norfuk en cud'be dar wun roun Ball's Biay se sandy by nowu es waal...

Just want to say congratulations on a very well written post to this forum. Norfolk is lucky to have a voice in you. Reckon you should think about a previous writers suggestion and maybe go and stick up for Norfolk in a professional capacity. Good to see the language on here, I have missed hearing it spoken, but reading it I can just imagine I am listening to it. Keep your Island unity and traditions alive and don't sell yourselves short. Keep heart.

It's just as well we have got our Joe Flynn's technology knowledge to help us out on this site whether he is remembered or not. Thanks Joe for always standing up for Norfolk and Pitcairn - jess ess wal wi gut you. I gutt a good memory!

You have an awful lot to say about Norfolk......Much of it not correct and a lot of it from newspaper articles etc.... no one quite remembers you tho.

Cliff & Robyn said ... It would appear that the natives are getting restless about the sell off of land on Norfolk, before you know it there'll be more outsiders living there and having all the say in what goes on - as if it isn't already happening. We guess it's driven by greed. Those of you who have let this happen - shame on you. The island should have be preserved entirely for the direct descendants - not outsiders!! --------------------- Well guys, we've been happy and proud owners of a little house on Norfolk for a couple of years now. How is that giving us any control? It's not at all. We, as owners have no rights to the running of the island whatsoever. We pay an absentee levy which the locals don't (we think that's fair). However, it makes us feel good knowing we have a place to stay for holidays between letting periods. We love the people and the culture, and one day maybe we'll have an opportunity to make NI our home, but it will be on the Island's terms, not ours. Have a good weekend all.

Cliff & Robyn thanx for making your points twice ...they actually weren't all that subtle & we got em in one; ...could be that Norfolk natives simply want to play the demographics game a lot smarter than Australian natives - Anglo-Celts are rapidly on the way to becoming a minor patch on the oh-so-wonderful patchwork-quilt of Australian-style "multiculturalism" ...being raped by your Lebanese compatriots whispering 'sweet-nothings' in your ear like "Aussie Pig" ... ??? ...sounds to me Cliff & Robyn that your obvious talent for demographic insight might better be directed to your own backyard. ... As for the "alleged" transgressions of our 'Pitcairn cousins', my understanding is: "The police and public prosecutor have consistently refused to confirm the number of complainants and accused and what the charges will be, but we know the investigation was sparked by two complaints late in 1999 to Kent policewoman Gail Cox who was on Pitcairn training an islander in community policing." (NZ Herald Friday September 13, 2002) ...all sounds pretty vague to me - but perhaps you are also gifted with unusual legal insight as well ...if you've delivered a judge-jury-executioner type verdict based on prophecy, why not share it with us? ....& while you're at it, since you seem to be such an expert double-act on the topic, why don't you provide us with comparative statistical analysis on the incidence of sex & homicide crimes in Australia vis-a-vis Pitcairn & Norfolk Islands ...or is it a case of something so unremarkably, garden-variety common on your own turf, only becoming worthy of remark when occurring elsewhere???

I complained to the MailMunky ISP when it was www.e-s.cc, and had the site shut down for spamming. Do you know what happened? That guy hacked into my system, planted illegal pornography on my hard disk, then contacted the FBI to have me prosecuted. I'm under suspicion now, but they're tracing the IP stuff and I bet they get that little bastard! Watch out for MailMunky, that guy's vicious. Bad news!

Down with MailMunky! I have initiated a denial of service attack against http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html , but found out the hard way how well MailMunky can work! This thing hacked into my mail server, and emailed twenty thousand people, all of whom complained to my own email address! I never sent a single message, but I was accused of spamming, and they shut down my ISP and host, without even asking! MailMunky must be stopped!

It seems poor MailMunky is about to get its shots! We were harrassed for days by this cheeky fellow, and I must say he has not got his come uppance! I contacted my local magistrate to have this furry beast fixed for good, refering her to http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html , where this horrid application is being distributed freely! The madness must end! Join us in visiting this site as often as possible to register our complaints and download MailMunky until those servers burn up!

I received the same poem five times in a row from this MailMunky person, whatever it is. I went to the site http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html and tried to use the program, and I accidentally mailed out a thousand emails in just seconds, before I had time to stop it! This thing must be removed from the internet! It's a spammer's dream weapon!

That damned MailMunky has been in my site, too! Searching the net, I found it here and a few other places. It can be downloaded at http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html Please join the initiative to have MailMunky euthanized!

MailMunky can be found FREE at http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html . We are currently lobbying to have it removed, since it can scan thousands of URL's per day to obtain thousands of email accounts, not to mention the fact that it has a built-in account generator that can spit out MILLIONS of email addresses in minutes! Worst of all, MunkyWorks is giving this awful program away FREE! And it WORKS! Using its built-in Search Engine submission control, I quickly mined a thousand addresses in less than ten minutes! What's this world coming to?

MailMunky can be found FREE at http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html . We are currently lobbying to have it removed, since it can scan thousands of URL's per day to obtain thousands of email accounts, not to mention the fact that it has a built-in account generator that can spit out MILLIONS of email addresses in minutes! Worst of all, MunkyWorks is giving this awful program away FREE! And it WORKS! Using its built-in Search Engine submission control, I quickly mined a thousand addresses in less than ten minutes! What's this world coming to?

MailMunky can be found at http://www.munkys.net/Software/MailMunky.html We are currently trying to have it removed, as it is capabable of mining hundreds of thousands of URL's per day to obtain thousands of email addresses with even a slow dial up connection. Additionally, it has a built in account generator that can generate MILLIONS of accounts per minute. Worst of all, the site is offering this awful program FREE of charge! No, worst of all, it actually WORKS as advertised. I know, I used it to spider my own web site. Oh well, what's the world coming to?

Nice of you to drop by our site, but let me make a suggestion. Keep your mud slinging in your own country and back yard thank you. As if you don't have enough problems yourselves. If you want to make suggestions in relation to the work of the Norfolk Police, why don't you show some GUTS and write to them yourselves instead of using this forum site?

It would appear that the natives are getting restless about the sell off of land on Norfolk, before you know it there'll be more outsiders living there and having all the say in what goes on - as if it isn't already happening. We guess it's driven by greed. Those of you who have let this happen - shame on you. The island should have be preserved entirely for the direct descendants - not outsiders!! Better make sure you have enough room for your Pitcairn cousins as they might need a place of refuge soon, seems they have a few personal problems of the sexual kind being investigated and possible charges being laid on half of the entire population, just like yourselves with Janelle's murder, the problems just keep on popping up time & time again. We hope for Janelle's parents sake something comes of the investigation, but as we believe many did not come forward for fingerprinting - that was expected. The Police might take time to check out those who did not come forward by tracing blood relatives on the Bounty Genealogy site and connect those families by ancestory maybe it's members of one big family covering up, that way they can connect probable reasons of those not wanting to come forward.

It would appear that the natives are getting restless about the sell off of land on Norfolk, before you know it there'll be more outsiders living there and having all the say in what goes on - as if it isn't already happening. We guess it's driven by greed. Those of you who have let this happen - shame on you. The island should have be preserved entirely for the direct descendants - not outsiders!! Better make sure you have enough room for your Pitcairn cousins as they might need a place of refuge soon, seems they have a few personal problems of the sexual kind being investigated and possible charges being laid on half of the entire population, just like yourselves with Janelle's murder, the problems just keep on popping up time & time again. We hope for Janelle's parents sake something comes of the investigation, but as we believe many did not come forward for fingerprinting - that was expected. The Police might take time to check out those who did not come forward by tracing blood relatives on the Bounty Genealogy site and connect those families by ancestory maybe it's members of one big family covering up, that way they can connect probable reasons of those not wanting to come forward.

Have been doing a fair bit of reading in this forum. Most interesting. Having visited your lovely island it would seem a shame for it to lose its uniqueness. Some interesting and good points were raised by Darlene Buffett. It seems ridiculous getting people in from over here, when you have skilled people there. I would have thought it was better to give a job to a person who is known by the community, and who resied there. Don't let your Government ruin you like we are over here. Keep fighting for what is right because once it is gone, it is gone forever. You have a beautiful island, why stuff it up?

My apologies. I was lazy and stuck the article into an internet german to english translator and assumed it would be readable. I cut and pasted it directly from there. Oops! Thank you Joe for including an english link.

Uuummmm...NICS now called a "campus'....what next????

Unfortunately this only covers about the first of three pages - radical translation tho! - for those who would like to examine the entire article in a sort-of readable translation can go to www.google.com & type in the search-string *Norfolk Island Ostersonntag* (without the asterisks) & hit 'search' ...this should bring the requisite Der Spiegel URL to the top of the result-set & you can then click on [Translate this page] to get something mid-way between Platte Deutsch & Friesan which is nonetheless readable with a little imagination.

Joe a big thanks for the information on the article. Here it is translated for those who can't read German. *************************************************************************************************** Ê 150 years long lived the descendants of the mutineer of the "Bounty" peacefully on the little Pacific island Norfolk. It appeared like a garden to Eden: no drug, no robbery, no force. But then a murder happened - and all at once each is suspicious. Of Ansbert Kneip Also in the garden, it must give someone to Eden, makes that the dirt functioning. Someone, that the gauze wegräumt that polishes toilets and causes the Frühstücksbüfett for other people. Janelle Patton for example, 29 years old, learned programmer, was foreign worker in the paradise and happy. Because Norfolk Iceland is a sonnenbeschienene south Sea island. And because it believed, it would be now far enough traveled and escaped its problems. THE MIRROR the way of the "Bounty" of September 1788 is very far away, far away until January 1790Norfolk of all. Janelle Patton found it totally in order, there as a chambermaid and waiter to jobben. Two and a half years it was long foreign worker, and this time did its well: it had forgotten its old dear pain, had found new friends, cleaned up its soul again, and now, few months before flow of its stay permission, had looked it even already a little forward to the take-off. It was ready for the return into the world. Then one found Janelle Pattons corpse, wrapped up into black plastic and with demolished skull, on a meadow in the vicinity of the north coast of Norfolk. There were no traces. A subtropischer downpour had all fortgespült: tire traces, Fußabdrücke, the entire blood. Because in the vicinity a Feldweg passes, originally everyone believed would have to have happened, here on the glitschigen earth an accident: someone had to have Janelle umgefahren, a terrible accident with driver flight. A worse crime than a driver flight no one was able to imagine. A murder on Norfolk, that appeared the islander the Twin towers in New York to as unimaginable as the remainder of the world of the collapse. Norfolk is lain an Eiland, 1500 kilometers before Australia in the pacific ocean. A Fliegenschiss on the Seekarte, only five once seven kilometers largely, but to the Verrücktwerden prettily. Green and hilly like a south English count shaft, only with better weather. Palms trees grow here and Norfolktannen that are domestic on this island. Almost the half of the round 1850 inhabitants is used somehow together. It is a little verschworene partnership, that has lived here for almost 150 years: the descendants of the mutineer of the "Bounty" that concluded at that time to let the world there outside behind itself and to pull into the paradise. They are named Christian, Nobbs, Adams, Buffet or Quintal, and so that one can hold it apart, some in the telephone book have register can be stood under nickname, and such names also on gravestone. Was Norfolk always a friendly place, goes itself one, at that the people with "how it, Kumpel?" welcome and expect then also really an answer. The "Bounty"-Nachkommen as a family, so something like mistrust among one another it did not give feel itself - in any case not before Janelle Patton died. The discoverer James Cook, in the year 1774, Norfolk should have named a paradise. So it stands in the tourist pamphlets, and one believes it immediately. There are no traffic lights, no income tax and no unemployed. There are no mobile phones, no poisonous animals and no environment soiling. No game hall, no Aids, no Hepatitis. Years ago erkrankte one at Syphilis, a sailor on a driving past freighter. The three policemen of the island decrease lead appearance tests and give reply to the voluntary fire defense if somewhere a tree umgefallen is. They go walk the remainder of the time its radio devices. No one terminates its house or be car, and if yet once someone stands before the judge, then only because he went before the school to quickly. So it eternally would have been able to go on. At the Ostersonntag, about four o'clock in the afternoon, found Touristen the dead Janelle Patton. Cockpit Waterfall is named the finding place, a little plateau in coasts vicinity, bound of three green hills. To the sea page there a valley opens splashes itself, ahead a minus-waterfall, in addition a public grill place lies. As a Brendan Lindsey, the police boss, at the Cockpit Waterfall happens, knows he already all rumors: of the accident, of which driver flight - and that it was probably a tourist, because the Touristen cannot know, where one can give harmless gas and where not. Lindsey is no more domestic. It came over out of Australia for two years, and it can distinguish a traffic accident of a murder. Lindsey sees sees sting injuries, it the wounds in its face, at its arms. Lindsey knows that it need and both colleague now aid. With a murder, they become here alone not finished. Lindsey is actually only wrong policeman. It is comes Ostersonntag, the next airplane that experts could bring out of Australia first on Wednesday. Lindsey alarms round 20 helpers, islander who stand in the voluntary fire defense mitmachen and in the emergency of also the police to the decree. Terrain absperren, at the same time no traces stamp out, floodlight heranfahren: Lindsey wants to receive all on video, finally cannot lie let it the corpse, until finally the pros of the traces security arrival.

That's certainly something I didn't learn at N.I. Public School Middlegate, as one of the first students to attend the new campus; I also didn't learn that Ancient Tahitians - being extremely intelligent navigators - never counted the "days" from one daybreak to the next. They counted the nights instead, which were easy to distinguish from each other, the moon never being the same shape or in the same place two nights in a row. The days were all alike, with the sun always the same shape and in the same place (approximately). That's why the Tahitians arranged their life by the nights to which they had given individual names. The month had 28 "nights," - all with a unique name - the complete cycle being called a "moon." ..... Why is it that we've never had a "Tahitian Studies" option in the NI Public School curriculum?? The Otaheiteians were widely acclaimed by all of the early Pacific explorers as one of the most impressive Cultures the World has ever produced (there is universal recognition by scholars of the French Revolution that 'Otaheite' provided the Utopian model that the Jacobins aspired to once the 'ancien regime' had been destroyed ...apparently inspired by the rhapsodic accounts of Bougainville, who had called Otaheite, "la Nouvelle Cythère,", after the birthplace of the Greek goddess of love) ...yet we - of all people - seem to know very little about this side of our ancestry. This post is a modest attempt to remedy the deficit ...hopefully, others far more knowledgeable than myself will pick up the baton & give us a real insight into these Forebears of ours who (before their degradation by European Imperialism), Robert Louis Stevenson et.al. called "God's finest creation" ...high praise indeed. .... Current anthropological speculation posits that the ancestors of the Polynesian people are derived from a Caucasian offshoot that reached the Islands of the Malay archipelago from the west around 4,000 years ago. Whilst in what is now known as the Indonesian Archipelago, they came in contact with waves of proto-Malay/Thai pioneers who had pushed south into the same region. A certain amount of intermixture took place, followed by substantive conflicts of an unknown nature. This conflict resulted in a subsequent push further east into the Pacific by the now intermingled Caucasian-Mongoloid stock. This hybridized people formed the nucleus of the Polynesian race - starting from a small population of diverse origins, it developed distinctive racial and cultural characteristics between 2000 B.C. and 1500 B.C. ... The islands that form the current territory of French Polynesia are believed to have been settled by Polynesian migrations between 300 and 800 AD. It is, from these Islands that other Polynesian territories (such as Hawaii, Raratonga and Atearoa) were colonised. ... The island of Otaheite was divided into three great chiefdoms, Papara, Pare and Attahuru; the most powerful ruler of which was also king of the entire island. As soon as a male heir was born to one of these rulers, he became Chief, and his father became regent on his behalf. ... I've compiled the following cross-section of links with a view to providing a high-level overview of Otaheteian society & culture ...of particular interest for Pitcairn Descendants is James Morrison's (Bounty's Boatswains Mate) account of his impressions of Tahitians & Tahiti in the late 1780's, ie. before the "Fall" ...enjoy: ... James Morrison's Account of Tahiti http://www.jcu.edu.au/aff/history/southseas/journals/morris/contents.html Key Dates and rapid Chronology http://www.dream-islands.com/English/hist05.html This Mini Guide introduce you to the culture and history of French Polynesia, its flora and fauna, and some of the people and events which have become as legendary as the islands themselves http://www.tahiti-legends.com/mini-guide/ Tahitian Language facts sheet by Niklas Jonsson http://www.ling.su.se/pollinet/facts/tah.html Tahitian Language Lessons http://lc.byuh.edu/tahitian/lesson/framepract.html "Wi gut evrithing Tahiti gut - wi only nor gut a bluddi cocnut" http://www.tahiti.com/ How the Wayfinder Holds the Canoe's Course http://pvs-hawaii.org/navigation/course.htm Tattooing is an integral part of the Tahitan culture http://www.globetrekkertv.co.uk/destination_guide/pacific/tahiti_and_samoa/tattoo.php NUUTANIA - Songs from Tahitian jails http://www.lastcallrecords.com/stories/nuutania.html

Normatta hits the nail on the head ...the civil-liberties implications of fingerprinting an entire community in response to the crime of (apparently) a single individual, are quite scary to say the least (why did your elected representatives permit this to happen??).....For anyone who can read some German, the following expose from 'Der Spiegel' reveals that an 'insider' in the know has been releasing extensive forensic details & 'motive'-type analyses to flagship Continental-European media agencies; crime-scene investigation data, which is simply not available in the English-language press ...ESPECIALLY Australia/New Zealand:............... Eine Insel sucht einen Mörder http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,206129,00.html

best regards from vienna!!!

Looken orn, well es tru unae, es invasion of a sulluns personal rights. Yu fine nor gut any government in the world nor wunt fe hawe one complete database of all of dems citizens fingaprints! Especially Canberra en da moves dem meaken orn ouwas paradise. Es one of myse mates tull "ei gut nothing fe prove foot ei hat fe goe down dae?". Sullun shouldn't hat fe goe en dem paepas gut noe reasun fe judge a sullun furret, more sensationalism fe sell a paepa dars all. Car be dea whole case hingen orn a finga print en who tun up en who nort, ef dars de case we gwen waet lorng time...

Someone stuffed up guys Issues 3,4,& 5 are all the same on the web site, must be running out of news or someone just scanned the same newsletter 3 times.

Issues 3, 4 and 5 alive at http://www.geocities.com/demnorlarnen

Yes es time for action - get off yorlyes bums and starting looking out for Norfolk. I ya tull in article in New York Times one sullen who is famous writer on Norfolk naewa come forward with hand & finger prints - isn't that typical. Wathing dem hiding. Dar journalist who wrote the article stated dem say es invasion of privacy. That is what happens when operation took place on a voluntary basis. Apparently it was stated by her according to the newspaper article that the police had stuffed up the investigation. Any comments?

Yes es time for action - get off yorlyes bums and starting looking out for Norfolk. I ya tull in article in New York Times one sullen who is famous writer on Norfolk naewa come forward with hand & finger prints - isn't that typical. Wathing dem hiding. Dar journalist who wrote the article stated dem say es invasion of privacy. That is what happens when operation took place on a voluntary basis. Apparently it was stated by her according to the newspaper article that the police had stuffed up the investigation. Any comments?

9/11 or techie's trying to one up each other have nothing to do with this site. The www is a huge place with many places for you people to "face off" ...yes it's a dinky little site (I mean the date and time are even wrong! but isn't that the charm of it!), but it's ours and nobody is giving away medals for being able to close it down, spamming it or whatever else turns your fancy. Gude fe see Darlene stiren up ar pot as usual. Spring time comen noew one ell onie hoep sullun orn Norfolk se dunna hibernet en gwen begina starn up fe ouwas owen. Onie talk Norfolk, dunna sell ouwas lend en dunna greedy. En rememba fe look orn dem gut plenty en see how lettle dem gut, en look orn some of ouwas gut nothing, but still "gut et"

"While it shouldn't have happened at all get over it, and try to figure out why you were a target in the first place." As I stated in my earlier note -- I can not change peoples opinions. However, I find it disheartening that someone would expect a country - Any country, whether it be due to famine or terrorism, to find themselve accountable for such horrific acts. That to me is pure ignorance. It only strengthens my previous comments of it being the same to blame Norfolk Island for Janelle Patton's murder. That's ridiculous. You can not fault an entire island or country without coming across as prejudice. To me, that is where terrorism stems from -- a prejudice against a culture, race, religion or country. I am not surprised that somoene left a post like this. One last comment, before a rash of American and 9/11 bashing starts -- I am not American.

With regards ot the heartfealt note left by yet another American on the 9/11 tragedy. Something the world forgets is in the time it took to demolish two large building containing some of New yorks wealthiest bankesr and solicitors etc (not counting the very brave firefighters) (about 2.5 thousand people) Three times that amount of people died slowly and painfully of starvation and sufering in africa alone. there's one to wake you up!! While it shouldn't have happened at all get over it, and try to figure out why you were a target in the first place. there is a world outside America

I have to say that I am unsure why there is such an out pouring of anomosity on this site. It is as if people feel they must one up each other with insults. I agree that the Texas teacher has acted inappropriately and should be held accountable for his actions. However, I have read post after post of Norfolk people upset to be included in the accusation that they are part of a huge cover-up in the Janelle Patton case. I do believe that there may be one person who knows something and has made the choice not to come forward but I do not believe it is a conspiracy that should taint the entire Island. That would be ignorant and inappropriate of me to assume. That being said -- I was very surprised to read the last comment in regards to Americans and 9/11. The post was in effect making the same assumptions about the majority of Americans as so many have posted about the majority of Norfolk Islanders. I lost eight people in the Twin Towers, including my fiance. To read the same generalizations being thrown around as to motivations for the terrorist attacks seems to fall on the side of ignorance and the need to lash out. I have agreed with same poster's comments and actions in regards to other comments on the site and found him to be a very insightful man. Perhaps it is my over sensitivity to the situation or I misread the comments. If that is the case then I apologize for speaking out of turn. I'd like to make one last comment regarding Janelle Patton's case. I don't believe it should be put under the microscope for eveyone to analyze. It's a truly tragic event that has changed peoples lives forever. A beautiful young woman was murdered under the most horrific circumstances. This is an open forum for people to post their thoughts so I could not presume to think that anything I've written will stop people from having their own opinions. However, I hope people will be a little respectful in the future.

"Pacific Blue Hole Spelunker" is none other than our resident Texan-Sicko, Stephen Huff, running scared ('inventing' a pathetically infantile/transparent alias) & as usual sloppy in everything he does; including covering his tracks ...rather than feeling animosity toward Huff, I'd suggest pity would be a more befitting response: he is simply an archetypical American character ...that curious juxtaposition of hog-ignorance, vaulting-cockiness & brattishness so elegantly captured by the sobriquet "Ugly American" ...future generations will probably classify 'acculturated-as-American' as being a kind of psycho-pathology ...of course (as evidenced by "9/11"), many of the current generation belonging to the World's truly 'venerable' Civilizations such as the Islamic/Hindu/Confucian traditions etc. simply want to kill those of Huff's ilk; ...we, however, are an Island people & have inherited the gift of 'Mana' from our Tahitian ancestor's ...let monkey-boy hang around on the fringes of this forum, foraging for scraps of 'attention' ...after all, at nearly 43, he's just an American infant.

I am trying to contact Alan Summerscales. I met him at a New Zealand Youth Conference in Christchurch in 1992. I am anticipating to coming to your wonderful Island in March next year and would love to catch up with him. If anybody knows him I would love to hear from him. He would be aged between 30 - 40 I guess, not good at guessing ages though. His nick name is "Wal".

Hey Joe Flynn - use your technology and get the gits off this site please. Trace the dickhead and leave us his details. He too can be reported for his jargon. Go get em Joe!!

Pacific Blue Hole Spelunker Email:Holes@yahoo.com Location: Port Au Prince, Haiti Date: Saturday, September 7, 19102 at 20:13:52 How about placing your head where the sun don't shine. We don't want people like you at this site, so take your garbage elsewhere. You are being traced as well. You are sick!

PLEASE GO ELSEWHERE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND LEAVE THIS SITE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NORFOLK IN THEIR HEARTS. IT IS A SICK OLD WORLD - JUST AS WELL NORFOLK IS MORE SHELTERED FROM THIS RUBBISH - MAY BE IT IS A LESSON TO ALL OF YOU NORFOLKERS STAY AS YOU USED TO BE DON'T FOLLOW THE GREEDY OUTSIDE WORLD - DEM GWEN BE DAR JEALOUS LOOKEN ORN YORLYE

Hi, all. Been readin the exchange between Munky-boy and Techno-boy, as they call themselves, and thought I'd have a say... as techno-boy blabbed about munkyboy's xp vulnerabilities, I could not access THAT system, since it's now locked down (I don't believe it was ever accessible, in the first place - you will find that joeflynn (not her real name) is a compulsive liar, among other things), however, I was able to dig up a mound of dirt on good ol' Joe Flynn... it turns out that our good mister Flynn's REAL name is Martha Pimpton... she is a three hundred pound convicted murderer currently serving time in the Australian penitentiary system for forcible sodomy of an underage youth.... tracing her IP address and the origins of the email address 'JoeFlynn@techemail.com', I have uncovered something very interesting.. it seems 'JOe', or 'Martha-barfa' as she is known in the pen, is accessing the internet from an administrative desktop, which activity I have reported to her keepers. Reviewing her criminal history, I found violations relating to pedophilia, homicide, fraud (paper and electronic) and a psychological profile that makes Jack the Ripper look like a real nice guy... she is obviously sexually obsessed with this 'monkeyboy' character, and I believe her interests are criminal at best, and sadistically murderous at worse. Not everybody with intelligence is nice. Oh, well, I wish they could just get along together. The world is full of violence and hatred already..... Pacific Blue Hole Spelunker (I cant wait to dive the Barrier!)

Wal done Darlene yu se do gude. Dae paege ess one day behind, cos ess half pars 5 Sunday morning. Darlene yu ess so right in saying what you did about decision making. I hinged on dae matter in myse entry orn ya orn 26 July. Nor dar much se happen since then as dar Director en dar board still daer. I nor thought dar Minister awwa read dar paper or dae column. But ess true, hi nor gut d' guts f' do wuthen ess right for Norfolk enn ucklun. Colin ess d' bass fulla who bin roen mine enn myse letle sulluns teeth, but ess true as dar sullun tull, things swing back. I hoep yu gwen write to dar paper, cos wuthen yu tull ess true. Yorlye wake up en dunna greedy en selfish. Wi putt yorlye in Government f' Norfolk en uwwus sullun, nort jess yorlye.

Good on you Darls. What courage you have. Yep these unfair incidences have been going on for years - as per the saying it's not what you know. It never ceases to amaze me with down Kingston screaming out they have no dough, yet I hear that Admin are bringing in 3 more trucks. I wish they can get their priorities right. Look at the conditions of the Norfolk roads. Maybe all of us should start sending our bills to Mike Johnston and the CEO for repairs to our vehicles? Now there's a thought! The roads around this island are a dam disgrace - but Darls you hit the nail on the head when you said when need people with guts to be able to make decisions. Yep, see the way we are here on Norfolk. So good on you Darls, keep fighting and once again well done for your comments - how true they are. Have you thought about Politics?

Having read your forum entry Darlene I feel so sad for all yorlye and how Norfolk has become, no fairness but for those in the know. Never mind Colin what is dished out will come round full circle and dem better watch out. For God's sake Norfolkers wakey wakey - do yoryle let dem come same way as the mainland. Some powers to be must be taking some lessons from the Texan George B - watch out or you will have all out war in Paradise.

The word where censored comes up in my previous submission is h e l l. This is a clever site.

Saturday 7 September 2002. [This site is a day behind]. My last submission was on 28 July 2002 in relation to the position of Dental Officer at the Norfolk Island Hospital. Sadly, Colin lost his appeal which was sent to all members of the Norfolk Island Legislative Assembly and Hospital Board. Thank you to all who have expressed their concerns in respect of the matter. It is mind boggling to think that when there are suitably qualified people on the island to undertake certain positions, the Government / Immigration allow the appointments to be handed to off-shore applicants. This is such a waste of good dollars and cents. One doesn't have to be a magician to work out why we have no money,....we pay out heaps to bring them [experts] in, and when they find it is not what they thought it would be, or the heat in the kitchen gets too intense, they resign before their contracts are completed, and then the poor Norfolk Island Public Purse "cops another flogging" to ship them out again. Anyone would think we have a "bottomless pot'o gold". The late Elva Yager was right when she used to say "wakey wakey". The upshot is, we need people in Government who can exercise their powers and put a stop to these incidences occurring, instead of constantly sitting on their hands with their heads in the sand. This is the perception one easily gets after listening to meetings, reading the local paper, or better yet, reading submissions on this forum. Crikey - what an eye opener this site is. Better than any TV soaps. When Colin White was informed that he was unsuccessful in getting the Dental job, an appeal was submitted to all MLA's and Hospital Board members. The Minister for Health David Buffett passed the appeal onto the Norfolk Island Public Service Board who have no clout or statutory powers over the Hospital. What a shame Mr Buffett could not and did not have the guts to make a decision himself - but oh no - it is easier to pass the buck. This has been going on for years and will continue to do so until we get people who can make positive decisions for Norfolk Island and its people. The most positive move out of Colin's appeal is that at last there will be a proper appeals process put in place for the Hospital. This is called "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted". Because no doubt those who have had the courage to put their money where their mouths are and complain, sure as censored won't get a job anyway. Dar thing f' George Jones - "these ole eyes have seen it all". Because it will be seen as "rockin the boat" or upsetting the "status quo". This is why there is division within the community. I would like to say well done to those who in the last Assembly meeting made a rule that neither the Hospital Director nor the Board can make decisions without first getting it in writing from the Minister. Not before the time. I mean for goodness sake,..since when does Management and Boards have more say [and too much] than the Minister.

well i've been to this island of yours and it is so beautiful and so pure it reminds me of my home town hokianga north auckland where its very remote in some places and u cant use a mobile phone and i back the islanders 100% for not having mobile phones on the island.keep commercial out of the island or you could lose your identity.

To all Islanders! We have Ben Boerboom as hostage in our band School for the Gifted and are making him drum hard and fast to please us! He sends his best to you all and is truly sorry for not sending copies of our demo cd to you all, but the fault is mine. He wanted to send a video also , but I have had issues, getting it duplicated. None the less all is well and will be on to you all in due course. If you want to see the hostage and learn more about him and his kidnapped existance here in limey-land. go to the new and improved www.giftedrock.com and check it out for yourselves. We will hopefully be negotiating plans to bring Ben and co down to Oz for a short tour. But as with everything in the music biz. No promises but that's what we are looking at doing anyhow. Stay tuned to www.giftedrock.com for more updates as they happen. Oh and by the way....leave us a message on our message board too. Whataway foot! The Path PS: Mickos is well also

Smart move Monkey-Boy......Stephen Huff is actually an employee of ITT Manufacturing Enterprises, Inc., a company which runs a chain of technical training colleges in the States......hard to believe (given that he's a proven techno-dummy) but Monkey-Boy is actually a "teacher" in the school of Information Technology on an 8-quarter "Associate" Applied Science Degree/Diploma Program in Computer Network Systems at this college:.... TX-Houston South (Bay Area Blvd)...Address: 2222 Bay Area Boulevard Houston, TX 77058-9841 (281) 486-2630 or Toll Free (888) 488-9347.... http://www.itt-tech.edu/campus/school.cfm......... (You'll need to scroll down the list to find it). He actually "teaches" on these three courses (that I know of):... IT103T Operating Systems... IT104T Introduction to Computer Programming... IT115T Visual Basic and GUI Applications... If you get so much as a peep out of him on the NI Forum in the future, just report him to: CONTACT: Nancy Brown, National Director Corporate Relations of ITT Educational Services, Inc., +1-317-594-4260, or Nbrown@ittesi.com ...or alternatively use the form at: http://www.itt-tech.edu/contact/form.cfm................... cf.(from the college handbook): " The School will promptly investigate all allegations of prohibited harassment in as confidential a manner as the School deems reasonably possible and take appropriate corrective action, if warranted." ..... Also, given that he's publicly made the following criminal threat: ...."You might be interested to know that I am currently working on the world's finest automated hacker (called HoleMunky), which should be ready in a few weeks. What will you do when I brute force the password to this cheesy website?"....I'm sure the FBI as well as the many other people he's harrassed over the Internet, would be interested in having in having a friendly chat with him..... You can report him to the FBI's National Computer Crime Squad through the Washington Metropolitan Field Office at nccs@fbi.gov, or call USA: (202) 324-9164. .... "The FBI's National Computer Crime Squad (NCCS) investigates violations of the Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986. These crimes cross multiple state or international boundaries. Violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act include intrusions into government, financial, most medical, and Federal interest computers. Federal interest computers are defined by law as two or more computers involved in a criminal offense, which are located in different states. Therefore, a commercial computer which is the victim of an intrusion coming from another state is a "Federal interest" computer.".......Happy-Hacking, & do have a nice day Monkey-Boy.

Techno boy... XP is wonderfully accessible, if you're willing to search Cookies! I'm listed in the book in Houston, TX. Do any of you have the money (or the guts) to call? The thing is this, you have a stupidly designed website that uses older technology (obsolete technology), which exposes all your email addresses to the world and every spammer that cares. Wonder why you get so much spam? Because you are, in the end, techno-ignorant. What a paradise you must have out there. Only monkeys would live in it! By the way, I have really enjoyed sparring with you, and I DO appreciate your ability to read hacker pages on the net and expose well known security holes. Now do something impressive and MAKE something. You might not like MailMunky, but I built it (and other more friendly apps) with my own two hands. You might be interested to know that I am currently working on the world's finest automated hacker (called HoleMunky), which should be ready in a few weeks. What will you do when I brute force the password to this cheesy website? When I open all the ports on your personal computer and report all the child-pornography you have stored there? Better start deleting all your personal information NOW, if you've declared war! Stephen, SuperGenius, B.S., MCSE (soon to be MCSD and MCDBA).

Without our 'Otaheiteian' heritage we would have been a bunch of Whinging-Poms (or, more accurately, Manxmen) stranded in Paradise... And we probably wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of months, let alone a couple of centuries ...so why have we so sorely neglected our 'Otaheiteian' heritage??? ...............Here's an excerpt from: MANX RECOLLECTIONS (memorials of Eleanor Elliott) BY KATHERINE A. FORREST .....cf: http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/kf1893/index.htm........................................ Under the Godly discipline of Adams the young people grew up; and eventually the Pitcairn community became a people cherishing all that was holy and beautiful in principle and conduct. Many of her Majesty's ships touched at the island during the course of years, and the commanders have but one testimony to bear, that the inhabitants are, of all people they had ever heard of, the most exemplary in morals and piety. Their loyalty to Queen Victoria was, and is, of the most exalted kind; and the whole order of their government, ecclesiastical and civil, is touchingly perfect in its administration and practice. They built a church and schoolhouse. The order of their Church service is that of the Church of England. Divine service may be said to extend over the whole of Sunday, and they have public service also every afternoon in the week excepting Saturday, when the men are engaged in fishing. One of their distinguished visitors, in writing of them, says: "The week spent at Pitcairn's Island will be looked upon by me as one of the most interesting of my life. A state of society is there beheld which cannot be believed unless seen. In many points, particularly in the culture of their minds, a high state of civilisation presents itself, without vice or luxury, the community living in the most primitive simplicity. But the most remarkable feature in their character is that of earnest and universal piety. And from this fountain springs their brotherly love, so true, so touching, so unlike anything I had ever seen or dreamed of, as animating a whole community, that it can only be likened to the feeling that exists in a deeply religious and united private family in England. " So earnest is their piety, so directly does it appear to spring from Him who is the Divine Source of all religion, that I almost fancied myself in a Theocracy of the primitive ages." Surely the God of all grace can make the wrath of man to praise Him. It does seem so incredibly marvellous that such a model system of living should spring out of one of the blackest deeds on record! ....looks like we may have slipped a bit in the ensuing decades................And if that hasn't brought a tear to the eye, have a look at this:........................ " To LIEUTENANT COLIN W. LINDSAY, R.N. "PITCAIRN'S ISLAND, July 1842. "DEAR SIR,-I have taken the opportunity of writing unto you such things as have taken place since you left us. The influenza has not left us without her fatal victims, for in the short space of two months four of our friends have died under that most painful disorder; it is with pleasure I tell you that they died with a fair prospect in that Saviour who paid His life a ransom for their souls. Perhaps you would wish to know their names. The oldest of them is Charles Christian, the oldest man on the island, and Edward Quintall, him that was sick when you was here, and to add more to his afflicted family his youngest son is gone with him; only one female is among the dead, and that is poor old Isabella Christian. She came from Tihiti in the Bounty, and she is supposed to be more than a hundred years of age; she has known Captain Cook in his third voyage. Mr. Fletcher Christian is magistrate of the island at present. We are all in good health; no disorder of any kind has visited us these six months. Since you left us this state of things is much the same. You must write to me, as it will give me great pleasure to hear from you, and believe me, dear Lindsay, your very sincere friend, FREDERICK YOUNG." [The father (or grandfather?) of this Frederick Young was the mutineer, Edward Young, midshipman, nephew of Admiral Sir George Young, (1732-1810), who made his mark in the Royal Navy's campaigns in the River Plate region of Argentina, 1806-1807.] ......more on our 'Otaheiteian' heritage later, Joe.

Yeah Joe, Thanks for that. Hopefully he is gone for good and we can get back to normal on the forum. By the way how do you track them down. I'd love to get rid of some of the other Spammers who have got my email and are constantly begging for money. Nigeria must be a really wealthy country judging by the amount of requests I get to invest in it HA HA HA !!!!!!!

Thank Goodness we have someone intelligent like Joe Flynn who can track down the nasties who call by this site. Thanks heaps Joe - and please don't ever leave this site. Thanks to you and your marvellous technology, we might have seen the last of Mr Super Genius with his ingenius monkey crap comments. Bless you Joe!! See you Super Genius - and beware - your ID has been delivered. You should be running scared. Now get a life and get on with it.

I've been having a fossick around monkey-boy's hard drive (Windows XP is sooo wonderfully accessible monkey-boy) ...his real name is Stephen Huff (born April 5, 1960 - lives in Houston Texas ...someone close to you's got Alzheimer's ...right monkey-boy??); MailMunky is a spammer's e-mail harvester - he's using his own e-mailer to spam randomly .... his IP is 24.174.38.143, a high-speed account with Road Runner in Houston (cs2417438-143.houston.rr.com). Feel free to report him to the ISP; http://www.houston.rr.com/content/contact/rrContact.htm /abuse@rr.com Monkey-Boyz rather nasty hard-drive content (...hmmm should I report him), also reveals that he's got a company registered in Dallas called "MunkyWorks" (DBA Dallas, TX) ...he appears to be some kind of Sicko C++ Weenie who takes revenge on the World by writing unspeakably crappy poetry - his hard-drive reeks of it ....he's also had a site at http://www.mailmunky.0catch.com/ shut-down by BruceH the Webmaster of guitarmusic.org for spamming http://www.guitarmusic.org ...right Monkey-Boy?? He sometimes uses the email alias TestMunky@hotmail.com or MailMunky@e-s.cc; is trying to set up a Web site at WWW.E-S.CC & appears to have an interest in Epsilon-Softworks, a Dallas/Ft.Worth based consulting proprietorship ...We also know your street address Monkey-Boy.

Dear Maimunky, if you really don't like the people on this forum then please feel free to leave. We really won't miss you i promise. You must be one of these sad pathetic people who feel as though they can say anything they like about anybody but as soon as the tables are turned they run to their mummy. Grow up and go away!!!

Oh you poor boy. Has someone hit close to the bone?? Get this straight buddy - at least we can swim. You must have a mighty big chip on the old block!! or maybe you don't know the meaning of the phrase?? Get a life Mr Genius, and take your stupid comments elsewhere. You must have very little or nothing to do in your life - poor boy.

You guys are mean spirited pricks. Some day the ocean levels are going to rise, and you are all going to need to SWIM!

Baz for your information the lack of mobile phones on Norfolk is exactly one of the reasons we holiday there every year. It is nice to get away from the constant intrusions of work life. Both my husband and I have jobs that involve us being constantly on the phone wherever we are. So when we go on holiday we want to be able to just relax and not feel the need to constantly keep in touch with everyone. There is always a phone wherever we stay and if anyone wants to get us urgently they can. Otherwise our type of holiday is one where we go and relax and forget that the rest of the world exists. We will be back again in two months and will be leaving the phones (and kids yeah!!!) at home.

I had to have a look to see what this place is like after I saw the news item about you voting not to get a mobile phone service and I could not believe it especially as you have a tourist industry. I personally probably won’t get to see your island in my life time but you never know but if I lived in Aus and I was thinking of going somewhere for a break I would not go here how would I be able to speak to all my friends back home. In England everyone has a mobile I don’t know anyone who has not got one except for kids under 6 or 7 maybe, they are essential it would feel like I was handicapped somehow if I did not have one and I would feel lost and vulnerable. It’s not such a nuisance when you hear them go off all the time when you get used to it they are here to stay and I thought you just might like to know how someone from an urbanized metropolis called Liverpool had say on this It’s your island and it’s beautiful from the pictures ive seen but get with the program!

It just goes to show how little or nothing you know Mr Super Genius! You can't even get names right. And keep your suggestions and perceptions in relation to the murder to yourself thank you - unlike yanks - we do have feelings here as does the poor girls family and friends. I have forwarded your comments to the Authorities, as we don't need people like you visiting this site. Pathetic submissions such as yours does make one hostile. And woop dee doo - your lot have been to the moon etc - who cares? So think twice before penning your jargon ok?!

It was Alexander (The Last Anglo). And it was 1808? You all have a Bounty Day? What's that all about? Also, do you have a Christian Fletcher day? And what happened to Janelle? A murder in paradise? For shame! She was a real babe, too. She was probably raped before (or after) she was killed.

Let's see, I can't remember all the names of the mutineers that landed at Pitcairn's... Let's see, Christian, Adams, Young, Stains, Smith, McCoy... (My Fiance is a McCoy, I wonder if she's related)... In fact, wasn't it McCoy that was the only surviving anglo when they found the island in 1814? So, you're a Pitcairn's descendant? Do you feel felonious? Read my poem called 'Pitcairns Island', ****** PITCAIRN'S ISLE 06/94 We are all sons of the fair, fallen seven, traitors come from a far away shore, seed grown tall in uncaring abandon, raised in paradise to know murderous souls. All bastard savages born of felonious fathers, our unresolved crimes yet basking in light, our history flows, a typhoon's swelling water, to drown all who partake of time's baptismal rites. *********

Whoah! The hostility. What does Sept 11 have to do with a mutiny that happed a hundred and fifty years ago? It's just bad manners, that's all. In fact, I've always wanted to visit the Island (and will, someday, when I get rich and famous). It seems like it might be a real tropical paradise. No need to get unfriendly. I mean, do you all hate Americans, too, or what? I say, who are you? What has your tiny nation done much? Nothing, that's what. We've been to the moon, to the bottoms of the oceans, to the top of the world. Texas is the greatest country inside the greatest nation on Earth, so I can understand you all being a bit jealous, but do show some decorum. Where's your dignity? (Larry, The Three Stooges). Also, I intend to spam you all again with another poem very soon... this time, you won't have a defense! (Evil Laugh)

Hey Stephen - If in fact you ar in the U.S.A,...the entire world knows that nearly 12 months ago Osama Bin Laden showed your lot what he thought of you didn't he? At least Pitcairn and us haven't had that happen - so keep your mud slinging in your own country and backyard. Who has the last laugh on who?

Hi, This is Stephen, Super Genius from outer space. I love the story about Christian Fletcher and Captain Bligh's Bounty. I'm probably one of the few people that has read all three volumes of the Mutiny saga. Are you all a bunch of left over criminals out there at Pitcairn? Did you like the poems?

As suggested earlier perhaps our busy little contractor who is racing around building houses on quarter acre blocks can pay his share of the addsitional $1M needed to go mobile! get with it brud, the majority of the population do not want to go into debt and a good portion of them don't see the need for the frenetic live style you seem to crave. Good on you Norfolk, we don't need to be like everywhere else, and it's precisely that uniqueness that needs to be preserved.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE NORFOLK ISLAND GOVERNMENT WILL BE SO SHORT SIGHTED THAT THEY WONT RECOGNISE THAT MOBILE CELLULAR PHONES WILL EVENTUALLY BE ON NORFOLK ISLAND. IF YOU REAALY WANT TO KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD, PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND AND ACCEPT THE GRANT FROM AUSTRALIA FOR THE MOBILE PHONE SYSTEM. PLEASE DONT BE LIKE THE PAST GOVERNMENTS AND TAKE THE NARROW MINDED APPROACH. LOOK TO OUR FUTURE. THERE ARE SOME OF US CONTRACTORS THAT RELY ON MOBILE PHONES TO RUN OUR BUSINESS AND WE REALLY DONT WANT TO BE STUCK WITH THE MAKESHIFT MOBILE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE FORCED ON US. DO THE JOB THAT WE VOTED YOU IN TO DO AND MAKE YOUR OWN MINDS UP ABOUT THE CELLULAR SYSTEM. DONT RELY ON THE REFERENDUM OUTCOME FROM PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND.

Thanks Joe. Hopefully more people can be traced with "IPROUTER" and this might stop their pathetic entries on this forum. Peter Parkin should keep his thoughts or ideas to himself. He is found at http://www.sistm.unsw.EDU.AU/staff/parkin.html He is obviously paid to do very little except surfing the net.

The apparently prurient, publicity-shy (no email address)& no doubt 'socially-callenged' P.Parkin (still online late Wednesday night August 28, 19102 at 21:55:33 & online again at first light Thursday, August 29, 19102 at 06:49:06 bright-eyed & bushy-tailed, to the bitter discovery his initial post has been totally ignored), should take care throwing stones in glass houses; Mr P.Parkin, who - according to my IP traceroute investigations - appears to some kind of academic with a Kiwi background currently based at the UNSW (cf. http://www.sistm.unsw.edu.au/staff/) would do far better focussing on the rampant sexual abuse of minors not only in his own community of Australia/New Zealand (whose male citizens are apparently the major source of pedophiles active throughout S.E.Asia - especially in Cambodia), but throughout the Western World generally ...not to mention the recently exposed 'peccadiloes' of the upper echelons of Christian clergy throughout the World. As a - no doubt - 'enlightened academic', Mr Parkin, you would be aware that sexual transgression has been a constant of the human condition since the advent of Homo Sapiens; nothing surprising there ...what's curious is your motivation for focusing on the "alleged" transgressions of perhaps the most law-abiding community on Earth - ie. The Pitcairners. What gives nosey-Parkin??? cf: P.PARKIN: Do We Do What We Preach?, Proceedings of SAICSIT2001, 25-28 September 2001, Pretoria, South Africa, pp 191—196.

I'm just wondering while I read the forum why so many non-islanders feel that they have the right to constantly put down and verbally bash the Norfolk Islanders. If they really don't like what goes on in Norfolk or Pitcairn why even bother to read the Forum??? I just don't get it. As a frequent visitor to the island I like to read it to find out what is going on in my favourite holiday spot. Perhaps they should take a good long look at their own countries firt. Kiwis should all just look to the 12 year old who has just been convicted for manslaughter and Aussies how about the gang of rapists that just got convicted over there???????? People in glass houses should not throw stones as the saying goes. How about getting angry and doing something about what is happening in your own countries first.

A rape on Pitcairn as with anywhere is unacceptable. Beyond the original charge of rape the authorities have said very little so most of what you are insinuating is based on journalists conjecture and we have seen plenty of that on Norfolk the last months. Beyond that, it is worth remembering that your grandparents lived in a time when people were being married (and having children 6mths later) at 14 years of age. We aren't in much of a position to judge them any more than we are Pitcairners; different times, different cultures. Lets hope the authorities are sensitive to this, that justice is served and Pitcairners don't have to answer to you or I...and as for the one in our nest - he's a good one and we are lucky to have him, en none ucklan bin dout he se start kina erli!

Check this out folks - http://www.lareau.org/pitc.html - just scroll down and read the newspaper articles concerning this case most interesting as some mention folk living on Norfolk.

I read that the Pitcairn Islanders are so worried that all their men folk will be taken from the island because of the impending charging of possibly half of the island with sexually abusing of minors. Please go to the Pitcairn Island web site and read for yourselves - other members of the population who are living in New Zealand and other places such as Norfolk Island are also involved. Norfolker's do you really know who you have in your nest? The New Zealand Government and British Government are concerned about the outcome and have as yet not decided when and where this court case will take place. It started off with a rape and investigations found incest and abuse of minors. Could this be the end of the Pitcairn community?

Good on you. I couldn't agree with you more. Let's get the record straight. Everyone on Norfolk Island is feeling really sad and sorry for Janelle and her family and friends. Getting pathetic comments like so many on this site from outright busy body and nosey people does not help the situation. No one is in ecstacy and to you J Cachia of Australia - don't worry about what is going on here on Norfolk Island, you lot worry about the problems you currently have. Whenever we put the tele on for the news it's either rape, murder, politics or other bias stories - so leave us to sort out our problem, and I too suggest penning your own book on Australia's problems and let us worry about ours.

You are just as bad as all the other negative and nosey people who write to this site. Let me suggest that you worry about all the problems that you Aussies currently have. We have one murder in 150 years - you lot have them nearly every second so don't worry about a new book from Colleen McCullough - maybe you would like to write one on how to clean up Aussie. Don't worry love, we have television here and if it isn't Aussie politics it's murder, so keep your curiosity in your own back yard ok?

Wonder what Colleen McCullogh Robinson's next book will be about - Murder perhaps? Now is her chance to be another Agatha Christie. Not fiction but real life events - she must be in ecstacy!!!

my name terry my mother recently moved to the island from the mainland and i havnt seen her for 8 months and i was wondering if somebody could get her to contact me or something.......her name is lesley pyecroft and she is the island midwife , she runs a small cadet unit and is a member of the ses. if somebody could get her to call me or if someone could send me her phone number that would be very much appreciated... thanks terry from longreach outback queensland

Be very careful what you wish for. There is no reason to believe that paying Aussie taxes is going to give Norfolk back to Norfolk Islanders, quite the contrary I should think. The way of the world is big business, right now it's the big fish on Norfolk running the show. Knowing Norfolk as you do what makes you think we will we be any better off with the big fish on the mainland calling the shots? We have the people and the laws to handle Norfolks problems without needing Australia to step in. As others before me are saying - get involved, speak Norfolk, be active in ensuring that we preserve what is special in our culture and that Norfolk stays in the hands of Norfolk Islanders.

We have never wanted to vote in Aussie elections in the past and aren't asking to now. Most likely scenario is that by having Norfolk Islanders vote in the Aussie elections, where due to our insignificant numbers our votes are worthless, Canberra thinks they can demand votes for resident Aussies in our elections. BEWARE Norfolk Islanders!!! They have already made "our" democratically elected Ministers convert to Austrailan citizenship. Dar noose tightnen round ouwas throt!

How right 1979 is, I too feel we are reaching a critical time where Norfolk Islanders need to be stand up and be counted. A recent article in Time magazine stated that the world loses 2 languages per week. Unless we make the efforts mentioned and more we will not be able to preserve our language much beyond the next generation. We should take a page from the kiwis, what they have done to promote the Maori language in the last 15 years is remarkable. They created a complete syllabus in Maori for preschool and kindergarten which has had phenomenal results...food for thought there. When will we see more of an emphasis on speaking Norfolk downtown in the Legislature. I doubt there is a country in the world that doesn't have a language skills test for immigrants to pass, have those GEP's and potential residents learn Norfolk. But more than all of this how many Norfolk families are speaking Norfolk at home and have young kids speaking fluent Norfolk? es time fe ucklan wakey wakey. Ent none a ucklan nor bin orf Norfolk en nort knoew "dems" weays, es time wi starn up en look wher side wi gwen en mek sure dars de bas waey fe Norfolk en ouwas sullun.

Thanks for your comments MAINLANDER! I guess you are one of the many over here on OUR ISLAND dodging tax! I think you will find a number of Islanders would like to see income tax introduced on Norfolk Island as it will sort the men out from the boys. In case you haven't heard that saying before and don't know what it means WELL in Noroflk terms it means income tax will see a great deal of people return to the mainland because all the ones with money are here dodging the Aussie or Kiwi tax man. SO come on Aussie come on - give us tax which will in turn give us Norfolk back.

What right have you lot got getting a vote in our elections, if you paid taxes to the mainland like the rest of us then you would be entitled. A bit of tit for tat don't you think. I think this is what the fuss was in parliament this week.

Couldn't agree more with the previous forum entries. Too many people with money have been allowed to settle on Norfolk.... lots of money - they don't pay tax and use their wealth to influence. Elva Yager must be turning in her grave ..... didn't she keep warning about this with her usual snippets in the local paper - you need more like her to stir the pot! Good to see someone has had some brains to bring Dr. Foong back to the hospital - his treatment by some was unforgiveable. Norfolk is slowly self destructing - wake up all of you before its too late. Heard an MP table a document in Federal Parliament this week regarding who has the right to vote on Norfolk. Will be interesting to see how that ends up. As I see it the vote should only be for direct descendants of the first settlers from Pitcairn - then you would be truelly in charge of your own destiny. Those who have bought their way in wouldn't get a vote.

there seems to be a mini revolution on norfolk the moment. After reading this forum for the first time a few weeeks ago i am heartened that so many people feel the same way as me for the way norfolk and "ouwas sullen" are going. it seems that resting on our laurels ang taking things for granted in the past is finally catching up with us, and people are starting to see it. many of ouwas old sullen could forseee this happening and tried to warn us in their own way, but i believe that norfolk is at a crossroads at the moment and that we must take action now if we want to retain our own identity as a people. Firstly we must address immigration. the norfolk islander percentage of the population musn;t be further diluted and should be bought back to majority, as we are right on the fringe at the moment. there must be something here for norfolk islanders who go away for training etc to come back to. we are here to look after ucklun, not the growing millionaires club presently on the island and still coming. we must also talk 'norfolk ' in all spheres of life, as it is quickly becoming a token dialect, and bound for the history books. Speak it to children, even outsiders and dont criticize people who try to speak it, but encouyrage it to be spoken.remember that it is our language and the onus should be on people to understand us and not for us to always have to revert to english for their benefit We must all pull together and make our feelings known, remembering that every little bit makes a difference and that we are not dead and buried . Stand for the immigration board stand for the assembly or just talk norfolk more often, whatever, just PLEASE LETS ACT NOW.

Hey a forum. You're in the news over here, cuz your island is banning mobile phones !! Cool. You do keep your internet connections i hope. ;P Anyway I just thought i'd say Hi to ya people Greetzz MadFoxx visit me @ http://www.MadFoxx.nl ( no s.e.x/ advertisements / popup's or other crap. Just fun hope to cya around... )

Obnoxious mobile phone users intruding on other peoples privacy or the potential to save lives in emergencies aside - where is the additional million bucks to buy and install this system coming from? Perhaps those who vote YES can offer to pay a higher share of the cost? P. Parkin your comments on the "Norfolk Experiment" seemed to slip by without any comment from others. While we still have much of our own culture on Norfolk it is worth noting that 60 odd percent of the population are outsiders and this has been the case for many years now so one wonders just what you are suggesting? The occurances of the last year all seem to read more like the encroachment of outsiders values than our own. Go and buy yourself todays paper to see what I mean. As others have said, stick together Norfolk Islanders, you may be a minority in your own home but still es ouwas side en nort dems.

I have just read the last 2 weeks Norfolk Islander newspaper. I want to know when the new Minister for Health is going to do about getting rid of the Hospital Board, David Connell and Danny Kennedy. Is it so difficult to make a decision?? To say enough is enough and get rid of them. It is absolutely disgusting to think that we are so isolated here and we have incompetent people looking after our health. Why doesn't the Minister have the tenacity to get rid of the "rotten eggs" in the basket? As always, we end up losing the best and keeping the trash. How typical. Mr Buffett, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes should a fatality occur at our Hospital, especially if it is a young child or some children. Surely one doesn't need much convincing when you read the horror stories in the local paper. It is also on the lips of many people in town. Also, Norfolk Island has every right to know what benefits will David Connell bring to the island by going away for a jaunt in Perth? Since his appointment he has been off island more than he has been on it, and at what cost to the public purse?? Oh of course this is another aspect of the Focus 2002!! We gutt stuff all money, but wi gutt nuff fer send dem wae!! Well how about getting rid of the all the bad eggs we have here - yes I mean the ones who are here in Executive positions and have had their name splashed in papers for ripping off companies like TAFE. It is an absolute joke to think these so called experts are here running the island. Isn't it funny - when a local does something out of the ordinary like speeding or whatever, their names go in the local rag, but when one hears about some of the people who we have had here, nothing is said or done. Thank goodness for "Dem Nor Larnen" and "The Sunday Telegraph" for us to hear about the "EXPERTS". It is such a shame to see Norfolk going the way it is. BUT on a much brighter note - Excellent to see Dr Damien Foong back on deck at the Hospital. Welcome back, and thank God we have got you and Lloyd Fletcher. Look after them Norfolk Island - we need Doctors like them. SOLUTION: Get rid of the Board, Connell and Kennedy before we lose staff and/or lives. Also get Colin White back to the Dental Clinic where he belongs and then the Hospital should be back on track pretty much the way it was in the days of David McCowan and John Christian. One can't help but feel sorry for the Hospital staff as well.

I have just read the last 2 weeks Norfolk Islander newspaper. I want to know when the new Minister for Health is going to do about getting rid of the Hospital Board, David Connell and Danny Kennedy. Is it so difficult to make a decision?? To say enough is enough and get rid of them. It is absolutely disgusting to think that we are so isolated here and we have incompetent people looking after our health. Why doesn't the Minister have the tenacity to get rid of the "rotten eggs" in the basket? As always, we end up losing the best and keeping the trash. How typical. Mr Buffett, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes should a fatality occur at our Hospital, especially if it is a young child or some children. Surely one doesn't need much convincing when you read the horror stories in the local paper. It is also on the lips of many people in town. Also, Norfolk Island has every right to know what benefits will David Connell bring to the island by going away for a jaunt in Perth? Since his appointment he has been off island more than he has been on it, and at what cost to the public purse?? Oh of course this is another aspect of the Focus 2002!! We gutt stuff all money, but wi gutt nuff fer send dem wae!! Well how about getting rid of the all the bad eggs we have here - yes I mean the ones who are here in Executive positions and have had their name splashed in papers for ripping off companies like TAFE. It is an absolute joke to think these so called experts are here running the island. Isn't it funny - when a local does something out of the ordinary like speeding or whatever, their names go in the local rag, but when one hears about some of the people who we have had here, nothing is said or done. Thank goodness for "Dem Nor Larnen" and "The Sunday Telegraph" for us to hear about the "EXPERTS". It is such a shame to see Norfolk going the way it is.

Yes annoyed forum reader I am getting the same bizzare poems from this pest. I posted my address on the guestbook about 2 years ago and he has added me to his database, I have tried to block him but he just changes his name by even only one digit and he manages to get through again, this has only recently been happening for the past week or so and from his comments attached to the poems it looks like hes on some sort of ego trip.I'm not sure about a permanent solution to this problem apart from having to change my address, notifying all my genuine contacts and learning from this never to put my real home address online. I now use my hotmail address but was a novice at the time I posted into the guestbook. Lesson learnt!! If anyone has another solution for us could you please post on here, thanks.

Some time ago I posted a notice on the Forum. I did include my email as I was asking for help with something. I have started to get unsolicited mail from someone who calls themselves Mailmunkey with the worst poems in them. He/she said that he/she got my email from this site which really annoys me, as I am now loath to put it in and ask for help again in case I get more crap emails from others. I now have any email from them sent straight to my deleted folder and don't bother with even looking at it.I wanted to know if anyone else has had a problem with this prat as well.

Sorry I wasn't aware that h e l l was a censored word lol !!!! Just seeing if this gets around it....

Re previous forum entry. "Just what the censored are you trying to acheive posting a comment like that"? I agree 100% with previous entries on here regarding perhaps having a qualifying level of intelligence to be able to post on here! Where do they get these people??? By the way I see via the guest book that mobile phones have been banned on the island. Its true they can be a nusiance but just think...in an emergency they can save lives and avoid needless tragedy...eg a fishing boat lost at sea, a girls life in danger....is this a wise decision?

Two weeks gone, the police must be getting a sniff of who done it by now. The one's who haven't come forward must be shaking in their boots. Considering a rapist in Sydney just got 55 years for his crime, they must be having sleepless nights.

Hope you are all focusing.......... god help all yorlye. Before dem se sort out 2002 dem gwen be commencing FOCUS 2003 - how many more reports???? Thanks for the good humour "dem nor larnen" - enjoyed the newsletters thanks for sharing with us. Dar CHAIN OF COMMAND es something for you all to think about do yorlye let too many crows up on dar top perch!!!

Do hope the mass fingerprinting is going okay and the local population are co-operating with the authorities. You have to have this dreadful crime solved and the guilty brought to justice for the island inhabitants to move on and heal it wont be easy for any of you but it has to be done. We wish success for the authorities as understand it has not been an easy run so far. The truth will come out and the Patton family will see justice it is just a matter of time.

The most sensible thing you have done yet is to object to to the mobile network. That is why tourists come your way to get away from it all. All mobile phones do is fry your brains and cost you heaps. One can't go to a restuarant without phones ringing not stop same goes for train travel and shopping centres. Believe me you are better off without them, they are only useful in emergency but are a darn nuisance otherwise.

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Hi, I was wondering what peoples opinions where on the mobile phone issue on the island at the moment. Im in a debate at school and we are saying the we shouldnt have mobiles on Norfolk. I was wondering if people could email me anything they think could help, such as information concerning it, or personal problems people may have had with mobiles. No information (ie:name) will be used unless permission is given. Thanks alot yourle.

I do not need to front up as I wasn't there. - whose's next?

Does anyone know what is happening re the charging of 20 persons including locals of Pitcairn with rape of the island's young children? The New Zealand Government was to seek a suitable place for the trial to be set down last update was July 2002. What a sorry time it is for the Bounty descendants considering what is taking place on Norfolk at the moment. The last trial on Pitcairn was held on Pitcairn in 1897 of Harry Albert Christian who was convicted of killing his wife and child. He was hanged in Fiji. It is stated that Pitcairn was filled with interrelated community riven by petty rows and feuds and that it was noted the sexual precocity of the island's young girls. Not much has improved since the Bounty Mutineers & their Tahitian lovers settled the place. Perhaps the Norfolk Experiment is not much better only more sofisicated. Any comments?

MY FINGER PRINTS ARE DONE - ARE YOURS?

Today I had news that an old acquaintance of mine has passed on, she is not a famous identity and did not lead a glamorous life, still she will be missed and I wish her daughter Crystal to know people are thinking of her at this time.The hand of friendship reaches far although it is sometimes unseen. Sincere sympathy to the Le Cren family.Julie lives on in our memories.

Further to my last entry ..... The reclassification of jobs is a way of getting rid of staff and putting people they want in the position. They reclassify you re apply for your job and you miss out. Been there done that in local government. All it does is create a very unhappy workplace for all.

Have just read the two newsletters I nor Larnen, seems Norfolk Administration is going the same way as our Australian Public Service and Local Government. Some Yank came to Australia as consultant to tell us how to do things then others took up the cause seeing that it made them thousands of dollars in consultancy fees - restructure and access yourself re productivity for a probable pay rise - it doesn't work believe me I've worked in local Government. You end up doing the bosses work and he gets the pay rise. No wonder the masses are leaving in droves.

For those who have asked here it is http://www.geocities.com/demnorlarnen/

Always interesting to read Joe Flynn's comments but one hopes things won't get to the point where we will need our own Nobel Peace prize winner (or guerilla warfare) to get Norfolk back in the hands of it's rightful owners! As for a charismatic leader perhaps the electorate should just start basing their votes on real policies (immigration, environment, education etc.) in place of the "personality politics" which have dominated the scene since Adam. To the authors of "Dem Nor Larnen", da bas side fe yorlye's paepa es orn ar web, ef yourlye fraid fe pud et up dar's onie more resun fe do et! Ei orf shore but simes a thing gut plenti gwen orn dowun a town sullun ort fe knowe.

Perhaps Tim could borrow a few tiaras from the songstress HR for official functions? Just trying to lighten things up folks - this forum is getting too serious.

We're all speechless.....

I vote Tom Lloyd for President - in reply to previous forum entry. He el organize yorlye out of the doldrums. Wouldn't Tim make a great First Lady? I can see dem two down Kingston supping a tea at Government House. At least dem gut dar get up an go about them - no messing around. Should have become the first family years ago and Norfolk wouldn't be in such a mess.

Tyme fe waykup frum ar lorng hilli...It is clear from the rancorous sense of disillusionment with Norfolk's governance, apparent in so many of the postings to this forum by "locals" (as opposed to expats), that the post-war colonial-model of remote "administration" of Norfolk Island from the distant Imperial Metropole, is now a quaint, vestigial anachronism of British Empire; which is long overdue for consignment to the trash-can of History................................................ THE PITCAIRN-DESCENDANTS NEED TO START LOOKING INTENTLY IN THE MIRROR & ASKING THEMSELVES SOME HARD QUESTIONS:........................................................ 1) WHO ARE WE?...are you in fact a distinct 'nation' based on unique ethno-linguistic & cultural characteristics?...if so you are already a minority in your own 'Homeland'. For a cautionary tale of what can happen to 'micro-nations' with misplaced trust in the benevolence of their Imperial Masters see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1005064.stm 2)WHY DO WE HAVE NO PUBLIC MONUMENTS TO OUR FOUNDING MOTHERS & FATHERS?...you are inordinately proud of your Anglo-Tahitian heritage...yet where is the civic-domain evidence for this?...not a skerrick of anything Tahitian in your public school syllabus & little evidence of this - 50% or more of your genesis - in public life; also more & more Tahitian words appear to be leaching out of the 'Norfolk' creole with each passing generation. 3)WHERE ARE OUR LEADERS?...I don't mean - ugh! - "politicians; I mean charismatic LEADERS who essentialize & personify your dreams & aspirations as a 'nation'; who have a Vision for your childrens future ...& WHO, you want to be as a community. WAKE-UP NORFOLKERS!!...you are well on the way to becoming the 'hewers of wood & drawers of water' in a kind of tawdry second-rate Club-Med; where the shots are called by foreigners & the profits always expatriated.

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When considering the problems Norfolk currently faces it is important to recognise that where we are today is a result of how things have been done over the last 5 years, 50 years and longer. Since the airport went in Norfolk has followed the creed of much of the rest of the world "progress and development at all costs". There is no question that Norfolk with its limited resources cannot sustain such an attitude for a sustained period and what not long ago were only cracks are turning into crevices. As with the rest of the world we must ask ourselves are we any better off? Now whilst I don't think anyone is suggesting we go back 2 generations to when we had to boil the copper for a bath perhaps it is time to take our heads out of the sand and objectively manage the problems that Norfolk is facing. There are two things that make Norfolk special, the island itself and it's people. If we wish to preserve them then it is time to make some hard decisions on immigration & the environment. Re the vote for the mobile system - Let me ask you; if you are absolutely broke and driving a 20 year old car without any of the bells and whistles but it works, is reliable, gets the job done WHY would you go into debt to buy a brand new Volvo at a 50% discount? have we really lost our senses?

Just thought I'd throw this in for the doubters out there. Called the police on Tuesday to book in for fingerprinting this week & wasn't able to get a slot. Have tried the police a couple of times today & can't get through, I presume because others are doing what I am trying to do. Don't know about you, but I'd call that a positive response.

Congratulations to all who have gone forward to give finger prints. Well done. It has been a very sad few months for us all with the terrible murder of an innocent lady. We all feel sad for Janelle and her family. One has to experience grief to understand what it means. It is shocking. So well done Norfolk. Encourage everyone to provide their prints which will lead the Police to the perpetrator, whether it be here on Norfolk or on the mainland. Also Congratulations to Dr Damian Foong who has won his court case against the NI Hospital. Hopefully a lesson will be learnt from this by future Hospital Directors, Hospital Boards and Minister's. I for one look forward to the return to the Hospital by Dr Foong, and the return to the island by his wife and baby.

I have just spent a fascinating half hour reading everying on the forum back to the start of the year. As someone who has lived on Norfolk for over 30 years and whose children and grandchildren have been born here I honestly don't think I remember a worst time here. I was away from Norfolk at the time of janelle Pattons murder but the change in attitude of many residents both Islanders and Mainlander was very clear. I still don't lock my house or car and feel that there has been a great misconception by people off island about how those of us on Norfolk feel. Every one I have spoken too wants this murder solved - not only for Janelle's parents but for our peace of mind. There was a question of DNA testing and many locals would have been happy to pay for the testing themselves just to clear their names. With the collection of fingerprints that has started I think you will find a high percentage come forward. Today was an eventful day on Norfolk island - Judge Beautmont handed down his judgement in the matter of Dr Damien foong and Mr David Connell, and the Norfolk Island Hospital. Judge Beaumont stated that the suspension by the Norfolk island Hospital Board was invalid and in a judgement running to 20 pages had some quite scathing views of the actions taken in this matter. Over 600 residents signed a petition in support of dr Foong and although this has not been acted on by the Norfolk Island assembly one must hope that truth and justice will triumph.

How true what "No Matta" says. The people of Norfolk Island mourns for Janelle and her parents just as much as they mourn for what this hidous crime has done to our Island - Islander and Mainlander alike, whether Resident, TEP OR GEP. For those from overseas - who criticise and accuse the Islanders, take a look in your own back yard. Start throwing your energy into helping your local Police Force to solve the thousands of unsolved murders & crimes in your country. The Australians didnt like it when The English criticised the handling of the BRITISH BACKPACKER murder investigation - and likewise we dont like outside criticism and unfounded/misinformed accusations. Show me someone that does.

What a great idea! imagine if the cops decided on compulsory finger printing within a 3km radius of a murder scene, say in Chatswood, Sydney or Te Atatu, Auckland? on Norfolk people would go and line up most likely. In these other places the media would go into a feeding frenzy covering the protests, arrests, petitions etc. And for those wondering why few locals have been out spoken on this issue it's worth remembering that one of the attractions of Norfolk for the 100,000's of vistors over the years is the allure of these graceful and private people, the Norfolk Islanders, the descendents of the Mutineers of the Bounty. A beautiful, proud and loving people who also mourn for Janelle. ...sim es alweys, yorlye du gude en du mine dem.

Instead of writing to this forum, why not put your money where your mouths are and phone the Crime Stoppers in Australia, or if you really want to criticise the way in which the case is being handled, why not phone the Federal and Norfolk Island Police on (6723) 22222 and ask them why fingerprinting was not compulsory. It seems all of you "know it alls" on the mainland don't have any crimes in your country. Remember - it could well be a New Zealander or Australian or maybe an islander. So save the censored slinging for later. But like I said, phone the police yourselves seeing as you all are so bloody nosey, but beware we have caller ID on the island, and your calls can be traced. SO get on with your lives, and sort out your own problems and stop using this site to throw your crap. Remember the famous sayings:- "tables turn" and "dogs have their days".

I agree with you regarding the voluntary involvement in Fingerprinting, why not make it compulsory and no one is left out of the equation - under this arrangement there will be a group who will not come forward forcing part two - fingerprinting the tourists from NZ & Aus. Some quarters of the population must be putting pressure on for it to be non compulsory. Authority has to be shown otherwise it will be a wasted exercise. There has been too much pussy footing around up till now and the Federal Police have got to show that they are indeed in charge otherwise the locals will have them in the palm of their hands just right where they want them.

How can you define one of yours? The beauty of this form of communication is that nobody knows who is writing and from where. Aliases (or in your case blanks) are the order of the day. I have given up writing on this forum under my correct name, it causes too much grief. In the absence of official information we all dream up what we want to by whatever means, even provocation. It is good to see that officialdom is now at work attempting to sort out a solution to the course of events that "darkened" the island four months ago. Whether it is successful only time will tell, a voluntary scheme of coming forward has its flaws but the elimination process will exclude the innocent. As a forthcoming visitor to the island it will be interesting to see what effect (if any) the events have had on the quality of service delivered to the "bread and butter" income for the island.

Sorry things have got to this state re finger & palm printing the locals. If only the guilty had courage to step forward and stop the rest of the population from suffering. I dips my lid to Jim Tavener for being the only true Norfolk Islander to speak out on behalf of Janelle. Why is it that only mainlanders seem to get the say whenever the media turn up? Are you Norfolk Islanders ducking for cover?

Sorry things have got to this state re finger & palm printing the locals. If only the guilty had courage to step forward and stop the rest of the population from suffering. I dips my lid to Jim Tavener for being the only true Norfolk Islander to speak out on behalf of Janelle. Why is it that only mainlanders seem to get the say whenever the media turn up? Are you Norfolk Islanders ducking for cover?

This forum goes from bad to worse....is there anyone out there with even half a brain?

There are plenty of people discounted, and in fact, what defines "your lot and our lot"? Most of you on Norfolk at present are TEP'S from Brisbane and NZ!!! Who's lot do you become when your $8 per hour job terminates and your TEP is not accepted for renewal? Wake up, leave the internet cafe and go and educate yourself before you come back.

Listen you gitt - we all are innocent until proven guilty. But don't forget, we had a few of your lot here at the time, and they aren't discounted either, so be careful you don't have to eat your pathetic words. It could be one of yours!

Well it is underway, the finger and palm printing of all those 15 - 70 yeor old residents on Norfolk at that infamous period of time. No we are not talking about 150 years ago we are talking about now. It is good to see from reports that people are keen to step up and be branded. Obviously the guilty person would not be so silly but the elimination process should narrow down the field. Then policeman plod and his crew will be doing over the Aussies and the Kiwis. The long arm stretches. The various contributors to this forum will, no doubt, have plenty of ammunition forthcoming. I will keep my usual keen eye open and my hands well scrubbed.

Thanks for your breathe taking comments. But for your information, this forum was put here for peolple to use to air their grievances or whatever. I would have thought your knowledge would have told you that!!!. Anyway, whatever I / we write in this column has got nothing to do with you. When the owner of this site decides to take the forum away, then I will take note OK? so keep your long-winded comments to yourself and I suggest YOU take the next ship out to Pitcairn.

I just want to congratulate KEW on his/ her recent submission to this forum - what Smiley and I nor Larnen think they are achieving by continuously bagging people who are prepared to make the effort to assist Norfolk through these troubled times is beyond me. Norfolk Islanders are rightfully proud of their culture and heritage but what they fail to recognise (or admit) is that we have collectively created the mess we are in - we want the convenience and luxury of the 21st century but insist that we stay as we were!! Who are we fooling. There are ways of preserving the old lifestyle of self sufficiency (or struggle) - dont drive a car - walk or ride your horse; dont use electricity - burn kerosene, wash your clothes in the copper; cook your wettles in an open fire oven....the list goes on. And if all of this is still too far detached from your past well you could set sail for Pitcairn and see whether you really mean you want to be as you were or admit (heaven forbid) that perhaps you do enjoy the way we have become. Too many of our own people are happy enough to critisize but where are they when it comes time to contribute to the islands affairs - are they taking their share of responsibility and standing for leadership roles. If half the energy utilised in constantly drumming up all of this negative crap was used constructively then I guarentee this island would be far better off. This is our community - the problems are ours and if we arent prepared to do the work that has to be done well then we have to accept our fate and import the labour. I would love Smiley and I Nor Larnen to be honest and document their contribution to the problems that they think they can better address than the people they refer to in their critisisms. Dont give us your gripes give us your more informed solutions. Like KEW rightly says - whilst you use this forum to air your ignorance the only thing you are effectively doing is tarnishing your own people!! Funny how there are a few who are coming out and complaining - what about the rest of the community - are they actually pleased that perhaps this time something really might get done?? Look at the make-up of our Government - chances are our community has already said we've had enough of paddling this long boat the old way - lets look at the alternative!!! Anyway just my thoughts............

Think you had better crawl back into your Taj Mahal and beg forgiveness - no wonder your part of the world is currently in a mess with the likes of you on the world stage acting like a complete idiot. Get lost !!!!

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Perhaps this forum ought to be restricted to those with an intelligent and constructive point of view- or those who can explain their half baked ideas and expressions of inferiority in a way that the general population can understand. There is no point attempting to give any input on "real issues" if you do not have real facts or justification. Many of the comments on this site form so called "islanders" are creating a less than favourable impression of the people living on Norfolk- many who do not entertain such crap. Perhaps you should go back to the Brewery for another round of drinks.Alternatively, go to www.getalife.com.Instructions are available on the home page.

As i look on Norfolk these days i am sad, in seeing what i do,i am sad because of things happening down town (that being Kingston) at Admin why dont the Excuitive's stop fighting between themselves and do something to better Norfolk not just them. And to the Undercover newspaper within Admin Dem Nor Larnen keep the good work up.

Thank you very much for your intelligent comments. It is a pity there aren't more people like you around. Sadly though, there are far too many who "know it all" ??? and put their hands, feet and mouths into action before the brain [??]. Your comments are most welcome - thank you.

I am saddened to read some of the comments on the forum where people are automatically assuming that the people on Norfolk know and are hiding the murderer. You people obviously have ESP and know more than the police as you are certain that the person who commited this terrible act is a local. Just because Norfolk is an Island what makes it any different to any small town in Austraila, New Zealand or anywhere in the world for that matter. I personally come from a small town with a population of approx 2500 people. I can honestly say that I wouldn't know what all the locals are getting up to in the privacy of their own homes and personally I wouldn't want to either. We have had two murders here in the last 5 years (shocking isn't it but these things happen anywhere!!!) Even having grown up in this town I knew neither of the victims nor the people who committed the crimes. People come and go and pass through all the time, some stay for a while some don't and I am sure this also happens on Norfolk. Look at the tourists and TEPs that pass though all the time. So please leave the locals alone. Nobody except the murderer and poor Janelle know for certain who committed this crime and the Norfolk Islanders should not be treated as guilty by association just because they live in a small town which happens to be on an island. Take care Norfolk and stay strong.

Guess there will be a few sweaty palms over there at the moment. Hope the guilty are caught. Mr & Mrs Patton have suffered for long enough... My thoughts are with them at this time and also with the innocent Norfolkers who have to go through this process it won't be easy for any of you. Keep the faith yorlye.

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hello norfolkers, i have been following the janelle patton saga and now have come across an entry on this forum that states that there have been some developments. but i can't find anything on the search engines. what exactly are the latest developments? hope this is all going to end soon for all people affected by this. cheers.

hello norfolkers, i have been following the janelle patton saga and now have come across an entry on this forum that states that there have been some developments. but i can't find anything on the search engines. what exactly are the latest developments? hope this is all going to end soon for all people affected by this. cheers.

Loved the description of the CEO - yorlye should start rounding up the roos in da paddock before jump da fence gwen buck jump same as da government bull ...

Good to see some development - hope there is 100% co-operation from all on the island as well as others. Only hope it's not a "red herring" to take the heat off the FED's. For the Patton family, maybe it will be closure. I sure hope there will be an outcome so they can get on with their lives and with help and understanding can overcome the grief of losing Janelle in such a horrible way. I cannot understand why fingerprinting was not undertaken earlier, if so ,there would possibly have been a suspect charged before now and Norfolk would be on the road to some recovery. Pity for all yorlye this has gone on for so long.

Hmmmm, Gut plenty uwa runnen about with new cars en boats en house en wha. En uwas las CEO bin es local, en we still en ar same spot. En moosa ony way fe get orn ar islan es for buy a besness, so yu gut to hawa money fe come ya. Seems to me dar problem is we gut some sullen se spend too much in em good times, en we gut one CEO mard es a cut snake. And for the illiterate amongst us..... There are plenty of us running around with new cars, boats, new houses, etc etc. Our last CEO was a local, and we are still in the same position. Nearly the only way onto the island is to buy into an existing business, so you have to have money to come here. Seems to me the real probelm is that we have some people who spend too much money in the good times, and we have a CEO with a few roos loose in the top paddock.... Auf Wieder sehen Seems

Hello Norfolk - I love you!

Seems to be alot of people following the forum just now, Smiley its good what you are saying I hope you get the chance to back it up with some action. We are all waiting patiently for the newsletter I nor larnen speaks of, to appear on here.

Yorlye have let this division between the haves & have nots smolder for too long, better start smoking the peace pipes before everything gets out of control. Yes money talks ... it does so also on the mainland. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the gap between the two gets wider. Those with money buy their greater say in things. Don't let this happen on Norfolk or the place will self destruct.

Fools! Your all fooools! Anyone who believes that people on this island know what went on with Jannelle Patton and that we are all hiding evidence from Police is a fool. Basically there is possibly 1 (read ONE!) person one the island who absolutely knows what happened & that is the murderer (I say possibly because they may have left). There may be one or two other people who believe they know something of what happened & for there own reasons are saying nothing. I do not incriminate them as their reasons may be valid, they may believe their knowledge to be false, who knows. The police are investigating & will obviously not give out much information because they ARE investigating. It is not in their interest to drop tidbits of information here & there to be turned & twisted and returned completely false. For all we know they may (read MAY, NOT do) have a specific person in mind, who knows. How many murders are solved immediately in Australia, New Zealand, Germany, America, the list goes on, big town or small. How many unsolved murders are there in these same locations. Hopefully EVERYONE who has made ANY comment on these pages has looked closely at there own back yard. But I rant.... Oh, one last thing. Remembering that Journalists generally keep their sources private, not themselves, I do believe that any true & professional would actually be quite happy to state their name & what newspaper or syndicate they worked for on any posting. So all people stating "I am a Journalist", sod off until you can give us some proff of who you are. Tally-Ho! (perfect for wrapping doobies...)

Noe usea bleme dem fe wey we si cum. Es ucklan se let dem een and es ucklan (en dem ole sullen se gorn too) too lorng bin tull "goe dem, goe dem do de waey dem like". Dem bin use "divide and conquer" tactics orn ucklan for too lorng. Es time fe ucklan fe dunna fight wun enutha en join haends en meak et batter fe uwas owen. De es owus side nort dems!! Smiley right on the mark with whuthing he bin tull, more than da administrator - which is little more than a figure head, foot we nor gut Norfolk sullen in dar CEO position en more? Wheas owus leaders? Within owus own we gut sullun ell do et, onie nor wunt. Which of uwas sullun gwen tek orn dea mess en who gwen dunna complain and halp dem?

Smiley - you are brilliant and 100% correct. I have a feeling you are known here, or better yet - a local?? your comments are priceless. Yes dear old Potts Buffett was one of a kind. Norfolk has never been this "stuffed up" since the departure to the other side of our beloved ones. Charliee Unoo, Ab Bathie, and so on certainly knew how to manage Norfolk. But Smiley back then, we didn't have the outsiders or filthy rich, and sadly, it is them who have stuffed up this island and driven a wedge between us and them. Thanks for your positive comments Smiley,..and like I said,...I have a feeling you might be "one of us". See ya.

Next step a Norfolk Islander as Administrator - surely there is one such person capable of doing that job. Why do you always have to have a political appointment (a washed up MP from the mainland )as seems to be a case, more often it is a job for their mates or (jobs for the boys) mostly seem to be Military retired freeloaders or politicians who can't make it on the political scene anymore. Potts Buffett made the grade well in Cocos Island,and also on Norfolk isn't there anyone there in the same mould who can do the job just as well. Maybe they think it will cause division - what do you think?

Maybe new rules for jobs on the island should be set as follows to stop all the current problems, "ONLY DIRECT BOUNTY DESCENDANTS NEED APPLY" that would eliminate many who are intrenched in Administration and leave the doors wide open for the pure descended Pictairn/Norfolkers to knock on the door of opportunity.

I Nor Larnen, I hope you have seen both issues. Smiley may be right, maybe it should be shared on the Norfolk Forum page. What about it author/authors.

Read in Sunday Telegraph newspaper a few weeks back a two page spread on the Governors Lodge - pity they got it wrong about the proprietor stating he was a descendant of the Pitcairners - what a lot of rot that was - or perhaps that's what was relayed to the writer of the article! Who is fooling whom?

Read in Sunday Telegraph newspaper a few weeks back a two page spread on the Governors Lodge - pity they got it wrong about the proprietor stating he was a descendant of the Pitcairners - what a lot of rot that was - or perhaps that's what was relayed to the writer of the article! Who is fooling whom?

How about putting the details of the newsletter on the Forum for us all to read and have a good laugh?

I have been shown a copy of the newsletter "Dem Nor Larnen". Ess true I moosa pee inna clorth when I read ett. Well done to the author and or authors. Keep fighting for your rights and go all out to stop the outsiders from coming in and taking the jobs that islanders can do. All dem old sullen who se gorn bin tull "yorlye stick together and love each other" 'cos one day yorlye gwen be ess stranger in yorlyes' own side. Just as well none of them can come back and see what mayham this island is in. God help the young people and all Islanders. No wonder the island is going down hill,...it is very TOP HEAVY by people who think they know the island and its people - keep fighting Norfolk sullen and keep the newsletters rolling. Dae ess uwwus islen,..nort dems!!

Sorry Smiley. I wasn't commenting on your forum entry, I was commenting on the comments from Interested Party, who I think has got a skeleton or two in the cupboard and was having a dig at Toby.

Hello Geoff, I think last time I saw you, was 1978. I had to ask "Who's Geoff ? I used to come out next door to your's with your aunt. I went to your Uncle Stegs funeral and it was a really beautiful tribute to his life and I laughed, sang and cried and was glad to know him. I often visit your family down a town. I am not going to enter into all this other stuff but I know your background and all your family have been my friends for about 29 years. I hope to meet you one day now that you are grown up. Just remember, it is in your heart and thats the important thing Cheers Lara

Never said anything about anyone having skeletons in the closet, just mentioned that down Kingston lie all the wonderful Islanders who made Norfolk a wonderful place to live or visit. It is such a shame that all their good work is being thrown out the door, for progress. What a price yourlye have paid for that progress!

Sullun orn Norfolk owa 30 gwen knoew bout myse Dad en myse "background" but gut none awus sullun nor bin thru dar or ewen wussa soe nor worth commenten orn. Es smiley tull da bas fe awas sullun all down a town. Hutten baed fe se myse Uncle Stegs goe down dea des year. Ei car whathing gwen happen morla onie hoep ei gwen ell maek et back fe lorng fe dem!

RE: "Okay Geoff and Joe, lets get this right...... Norfolk Island is an External Territory of AUSTRALIA and always will be." Really. Last time I checked N.I. is indeed - currently - a territory of Australia, administered under the auspices of the Department of Transport & Regional Services according to the NORFOLK ISLAND ACT 1979 No. 25, 1979 ...but, "and always will be". I don't think so, Interested Party. You may recall that in 1774 The island was uninhabited when discovered by Captain Cook; ie. a 'genuine' Terra Nullius. He named it Norfolk Isle after the Duchess of Norfolk and claimed possession of it for the British Crown. All pretty Kosher so far. Then, perhaps in the warm afterglow of Rousseauian Naivete; or maybe Enlightenment Idealism - or even possibly for her own Amusement - Queen Victoria, 'granted' the Island to the Pitcairn Islanders as part of what came to be known, among the chattering classes of the day, as "The Experiment". It is the legal status of this original "granting" that is of significance; NOT any of the subsequent tortured & Byzantine constitutional wranglings of various colonial, state & federal institutions within Australia over 'ownership' of Norfolk Island. The way I see it the Old Girl gave a miniscule patch of Her real estate (considering the size of her Empire at the time) to the Pitcairn Islanders as a new 'Homeland'. The reasons for her so doing are immaterial. The FACT is that she 'granted' Norfolk Island to the Pitcairn Islanders - NOT any of the Australian Colonies around at the time; regardless of what administrative arrangements were subsequently implemented. In the era of post-decolonization, surely it is time to recognize that Norfolk Island is the rightful Homeland & sovereign possession of the Pitcairn Island Descendants (ie. anyone "of the blood" who can trace their ancestry to the original Bounty settlers) ...not a territorial possession of the Federal Government of Australia. I rest my case. Dar hard fe maek ae sullun see bludi commun sens ...but d'yorle giwup. Joe.

Everyone on this beautiful island have got skeletons in their cupboards SOMEWHERE. But sadly there are those who would rather throw crap at other people, especially those who have done, and continue to progress with their lives hereon Norfolk Island or on the mainland. Good on you Geoffrey, you should be proud of yourself. It is such a shame that some people choose to lock their cupboards and throw away the key thinking that people here don't have good memories.

Hi, I just wonder how the investigation on that certain murder is going on. Has your life been really so changed? I read these tremendous reports in our local magazines. Greetings

I have been following the last few entries within this Forum. It is well done for you Geoff, as i also know of your back ground, not that we are friends or even related for that matter. I dont know what the very cheap shot was for. I think your words are placed rightly. Well done and all the best you and yours over there. Like you said "if you ever need a place to stay" my home is welcome to you any time, especially here on our Beautiful island. Islander

I don't know if I get full benefits in Australia? whatever they may be or whatever they have to do with this discussion. Apparently one of the few things I did learn from my father was to be self sufficient as all Norfolk Islanders of his generation were, but you probably already know that about me too. Anyway, being an external territory of Australia rightfully has nothing to do with who can or cannot voice their opinions about Norfolk, (thankfully) it doesn't qualify Australians to say what they like anymore than it does Germans or anyone else. Neither Joe nor myself suggested people from outside Norfolk should not make comments, I asked for some more common sense, Joe cleverly coined " twisted & lurid fantasies of what a 'Pacific Paradise' should or should not be" which seems to be on the mark to me. I made clear in my posting that I took exception to Babs accusing all Norfolk Islanders of a cover up. Her following up with more assumptions of who I am and what I plan to do with my life and then judging me for them (!) showed her up for what she is. So you seem to have gotten side tracked, I wonder if your answers are correct? BTW another thing about my father was he wouldn't have hidden behind a moniker to take a cheap personal shot like you have, no wonder you seem to admire him. Guess thats something else rubbed off eh!

Dem good salan bin make Norfolk something special and now se dead down Kingston Cemetery dem must be turning in dem's graves with what is happening. Maybe they should rise up from the dead and revolt. Bring back all those proud Norfolk Islanders gone but not forgotten - they can run rings around the crowd running the place now.

Okay Geoff and Joe, lets get this right...... Norfolk Island is an External Territory of AUSTRALIA and always will be. So tell me, if you move from Norfolk Island to the Mainland, do you get full benefits immediately ? When you have a whinge about people making comment from anywhere other than Norfolk, can you not comprehend that even if they don't agree with your way of thinking then they are still entitled to voice their opinion. Sometimes I wonder how far the bitterness is so rampant, especially as I know your background Geoff and I don't think you took after your Dad who was a lovely man. By the way, I know the answers to the questions

Whoever you are I suggest you try to read word for word the very intelligent posting by Joe Flynn that ironically was made just before your latest missive for it refers to you and those of your ilk. It clearly went straight over your head the first time because you walked straight into it with another of your moronic postings. Borrow a dictionary and work your way through it word for word then hopefully you will understand why you and your accusations and assumptions about Norfolk and it's people are worthless. Suffice to say take your noise somewhere else.

Congratulations to James Donaldson for his gutsy effort in the Marathon. At least you finished mate - we are proud of you.

Can anyone let us know how the Norfolk Island team are going at the games? Managed to glimse the some of the Bowlers very late at night our time but not much coverage as such only the elite athletes.

If you are such a wonderful Norfolk Islander why aren't you living on the island and taking one of those jobs currently being done by a TEP or mainlanders? This is what most of the so called islanders do go off shore and make their money then go back and grab land for old age and put more pressure on the internal structures - Hospital services etc. If you all stayed on the island things wouldn't get to where it is today because there would be more of you to keep the wheels turning.

If you are such a wonderful Norfolk Islander why aren't you living on the island and taking one of those jobs currently being done by a TEP or mainlanders? This is what most of the so called islanders do go off shore and make their money then go back and grab land for old age and put more pressure on the internal structures - Hospital services etc. If you all stayed on the island things wouldn't get to where it is today because there would be more of you to keep the wheels turning.

Whatawy yorle? Cushu I hope. The fallout from Norfolk's first homicide in modern times has revealed - in this forum & others - just how much the Island & it's rightful Anglo-Tahitian owners, have become a kind of 'fantasy-nation', upon which complete strangers who know next to nothing about either, appear to feel free to project even their most twisted & lurid fantasies of what a 'Pacific Paradise' should or should not be. In a sense, Norfolk has become a bit like a Hollywood celebrity - in the Internet Age, the whole World appears to think it has a right to a piece of you & know your business. Which raises the fundamental question of Norfolk's future. Will Norfolk Island remain the 'Homeland' of the 'Pitcairn Descendants' or will the 'indigenous' inhabitants & their unique Anglo-Tahitian culture be gradually absorbed into the "Privileged-Bolthole" culcha which appears to be developing with the influx of wealthy, third-tier celebrities that the Island seems to attract in numbers. Does it really matter either way? I dar solly for yorle, Joe.

THE WAY OUR GOVERNMENT IS LEADING US 1) THE CASCADE CLIFF FIASCO - ONE BIG BUGGER UP 2)THE HOSPITAL - ONE BIG BUGGER UP 3) THE TOURIST BUREAU MANAGER - MORE MONEY WASTED 4) OUR ROADS - THE WORST IVE EVER SEEN THEM 5) DOCTORS - RESIGNING AND JUMPING FENCES 6) DENTIST - GOOD FELLA DRIVEN AWAY BY THE NORFOLK POLITICS AT THE HOSPITAL 7) MOBILE PHONE SYSTEM - GOVERNMENT MAY BE STUPID ENOUGH TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK TO AUSTRALIA 8) ADMINISTRATION - MASSIVE RESIGNATIONS FROM FRUSTRATIONS WITH NO PROGRESS AND LACK OF GUIDANCE AND PORAL 9) SCHOOL WAGE BILL - TEACHERS PAYED AT AUSTRALIAN RATES INCLUDING THE TAX COMPONENT AND NOT NORFOLK ISLAND RESIDENTS 10)FLIGHT WEST LANDING SYSTEM - GOVERNMENT WASTED APPROX. $1MILLION ONE MUST SOON ASK. CAN WE MANAGE TO KEEP GOING THIS WAY ?

Thenks fe da las submission froem Norfolk Islander. The cheek of some people. That German got right up my nose, a real bloody detective Clusoe he is, reads an article in Der Spegiel, does a search on the web and fronts up in here saying he wants to know who the murderer is and expects a detailed reply!! And then Babs with "how can you all let this happen". What is it about Norfolk and this whole case prevents people from using their common sense? Wondering if it is possible for the web master to impose a minimum IQ of say 50 to post in here to weed these people out. Hey to all yorle, gut anybody gwen come out ya moest welcome fe staye. Dea followen link es wathing ei doin croes ya www.monoclub.com.tw es bi-lingual site English/Chinese ei ca whating gwen happen te dem chinese characta nor gut de right soeftware but English shuld be gude. Du Gude yorle en mine dem noe mannas bizzy boedy sullen!

It is infuriating to regularly read submissions from around the world accussing us, the usual term is "all of you" to be hiding a murderer. Who are you people pretending to be so concerned in one breath for dear Janelles family and then in the next breath insinuating that we Norfolk Islanders are involved in a huge cover up? What do these people think? that we are walking around our island all day in peace knowing exactly who did this awful heinous crime? Furthermore if it is one of ours and someone is helping to keep their cover do any of these gossip mongers really believe their accusatory pleas to confess will make a difference? As for forensics who knows what is going on, the Australian Police are in charge of the whole thing. Please show a little intelligence and understanding. As always you are on the outside and know nothing of what we are experiencing or how we feel about what has happened. We appreciate your concerns but as your mothers should have told you, mind you own business.

What a great idea if everyone, and that means everyone, from the mainland went home...there would be no doctor, no dentist, no police, no National Parks people, no et Office, no museums curator, virtually no school teachers, no banks, no staff for tourist accommodation and almost no businesses on the island.....and the list goes on. These sort of suggestions are stupid and counter productive. Perhaps the problem is that selection committees for some of these jobs have no real experience in personnel and choose totally unsuitable applicants. Also generally the type of applicant applying for these jobs will not usually be the best in their field, because a highly qualified person earning decidedly much greater money and having greater mobility within their chosen profession is not going to choose to come to Norfolk Island. Norfolk Island needs people from outside to help the island run, but more care needs to be taken in choosing the successful applicants.

WELL DONE ONE OF UCKLUN I believe the community should be told the exact costs of how much all these offshore employees are costing the Norfolk Island Community and include their rental subsidies, removal allowances, airfare allowances, gratuity. I understand they don't pay for their own T.E.P. permit or the permit medicals that are required. The C.E.O. negotiated an increase in her remuneration package before she even starts. WAKE UP ASSEMBLY - PUT A STOP TO OFFSHORE RECRUITEMENT.

What's wrong with putting a string around the tooth and the other end on the door knob and slamming the door shut - job done, no charge, and no dentist to blame. Solves the problem of which dentist to hire - what do you think?

What happened with the so called forensics did it all turn out to be useless? Someone over there knows something ... here it is August and still no arrest. How terrible it must be for the Patton family with no end in sight for their suffering. They will never start to get over this until there has been someone apprehended for the crime. How can you all let this happen? If you know something please go to the police and tell them what you know. It seems to be somewhat like crimes of rape committed on Pitcairn no one wants to talk about them. Yes, there has been a dreadful murder on your island and the person who did it must be punished not let off with the crime. They must be feeling rather smug that they have escaped punishment this long that is because someone is protecting them from arrest .... whoever you are you will be charged as well for hiding this crime.

Hi Norfolk Islander, please excuse my really bad german school English. I'm here, to find out, who killed these Janelle and tried to hide her on the northern coast of Norfolk. I've read, that every of your inhabitants is suspicious to be her murderer. But the story, I've read was printed on july/22/02 and I thought that since that time there are some new facts. Perhaps Brendan Lindsey has found out something. Thank you very much. I would expect a very detailed and in good English written answer. (sorry, but i don't understand that polynesian-australian-english-mix)

A murderer still on the loose. A doctor being accused of being less that ethical. A dentist being crucified by his patients. What in god's name is happening over there?

http://www.school.edu.nf that site has been down 4 ages, bloody fix it

Sorry folks. It is 11.25am Wednesday 31st July 2002, but this page shows Tuesday. Sorry

This is a test. It appears the forum date is one day behind.

NOTHING AGAINST ANY OF OUR DENTISTS SINCE HIAM & MCKEGG DOWN.... YORLYE OODY BIN GUT HYDA YORLYE KNOW WHATS A NASEY DENTIST. MIGHT BE GUT TWO SIDES FUT COLIN NAWA GET DAR JOB.. THE AVENUE FOR APPEAL IS THERE AND ACCORDING TO DARLENE HAS BEEN USED. GOOD LUCK COLIN. WHATHING STOPPEN COLIN FROM GWEN IN HIS OWN PRACTICE??????? THEN SULLUN WHO NOR WUNT NOR GWEN HAWTA GU UP A HOSPETAL. MUST ADMIT - I NAWA THOUGHT PAT JACKMAN'S LETTER TO THE ISLANDER WAS IN GOOD TASTE!! PLOD ORN YORLYE - DUNNA SELL AWUS LAND AND DEM GWEN DUNNA COME TEK OR FROM UCKLAN.

I am very saddened to hear the negative comments about Pat Jackman. I have been treated by him and found him an excellent, efficient and painfree dentist who has a very caring nature. I don't recall him putting down Colin White at all. On an even more positive note, my sister has been treated by Pat. She had an emergency with one of her teeth on a weekend and she was due to go overseas the next day. She called Pat AT HOME and he, along with his lovely wife, went straight up to the dentist clinic and fixed her tooth for her. I must admit her tooth looks the best it ever did and is much more asthetically pleasing to look at compared to the job done by the previous dentist. Sure, I read about bad experiences people have had in the past but there have been a few with the doctors as well and I don't think anyone can say that any human is perfect and not capable of errors. Why contribute to all the bitterness in the world and be grateful for what we have on our island and the skilled people we are blessed with. Life is too short, enjoy it while it lasts.

Keep up the good fight Bizziebee. Who is running the show over there? Before you know it the island will be minus both doctors & dentists then what folks? Every time anyone gets really ill you will all have to pay for a RAAF aircraft to do mercy flights. Perhaps there are too many mainlanders over there trying to run the place, time you kicked a few out as all getting too cosy in paradise.

I would like to say a big Thank you to all who have written to this forum or the local paper:- John Christian, the visitors and all who have phoned or seen us in town. To say we are disappointed that Colin didn't get the job is an understatement. But we would like all of those are interested to know that an appeal has been submitted in respect of the decision of the Interview panel, and now await the outcome of that appeal. Colin has been a Dentist for 23 years and is currently registered under the NSW Dental Board, but it would appear that this is not sufficient now, but was between 1997 and 2001. Once again, thank you to all who have shown GENUINE concern, and as mentioned before, we now wait for the outcome of our appeal to the Hospital Board and Norfolk Island Government. I must admit, as a born and bred Norfolk Islander it is sad when experienced people aren't given a chance. There are many of us here who have partners, husbands and wives who are from overseas. But dar d'wae wi se cum.

It saddens me to read the latest submissions written in this forum. I thought all qualified people on Norfolk Island got the jobs and that is what makes you so unique. What is going on over there folks? It seems crazy to not employ your own people if they have the skills. It sounds as though a lot of it is politics and nepotism. I think it is sad that you have to import people to do the jobs that locals should be doing. I have to say the comments from one of ucklun was brilliant. Whoever you are - you would make a good politician. Stick by your guns and stop the imports.

Just a quick reply to the journalist whose original mistake appears to have been the unfortunate choice and use of the word of word "gossip". Although you profess now to be writing in the spirit of friendship you have perhaps unwittingly provided a perfectly glaring example of why at times people are reluctant to embrace such reporters with warmth. I don't remember any such mention of anyone accusing anyone of anything much less taking advantage of situations.What was in fact stated was "It is unfortunate that sometimes people will show a morbid interest in others misfortunes." The writer was speaking generally. Obviously yet again words have been twisted around to suit the purpose of the journalist, do you think it would be really so bad if 1/2 the stories written were in fact never bought to light? Would the public really be so disadvantaged? We do agree on one thing and that is the hope that justice will in the end prevail, and yes we are on the same side.Regards....friend

I haven't read the forum for quite a while and was interested to read about mobile coverage on Norfolk. Personally from a purely selfish point of view I hope it doesn't happen. My husband and I always choose Norfolk as our holiday destination. One of the reasons (besides its beauty and great people) is that his mobile doesn't work there. He has the sort of job where he is expected to be almost surgically attached to it. So it is with great relief that we can quite honestly tell people not to bother ringing as it won't work on Norfolk. We also don't have to hear others ringng everywhere you go. Oh well I guess we could "accidentally" drop it in Emily Bay and not bother getting it fixed until we come home.

So sorry for all yorlye .... I guess those dentists that can't make a quid on the mainland go to Norfolk to escape the patients they have stuffed up on the mainland and make themselves tax free dollars in the process. We have plenty of second grade dentists over here who are hopeless at the job but sure know how to charge for their incompetence. Better start sending your local students into the dentistry field of study and then they can go back and set up practice .. solving the local employment situation. Life just seems to go from bad to worse over there what in the devil are the powers to be doing about it? We are fed up of the use of consultants in Australia by Government etc and looks like you are going the same way. They charge heaps and do nought!!!

Hello there all Norfolk Islanders, My wife Rosemary and I will be visiting Norfolk Island 29 Sept - 5 October for the Norfolk Island Theatre Festival. I have heard recently that I have a cousin, Aileen Ryall on the Island and would very much like to contact her. Her maiden name was Foubister. Does anyone know of her or any contact details? Thanks in advance, Ross Foubister

Incidentally Dr Jackman I forfot to mention that 2 of my good friends ended up in Hospital after they had been to see you for treatment. Do you recall a poor girl with intractable bleeding following a dental extraction who had to be admitted to hospital?? I cancelled my 3 month waiting list appointment after hearing about this. But sadly, these types of incidences are better pushed under the carpet aren't they? I just wanted people to know this. Ciao.

Well done to John Christian for his remarkable letter to the Norfolk Islander paper today setting the "record straight" following the full page crap from the current (but since resigned) Dentist Pat Jackman. Unfortunately I missed getting this in, but here will suffice because then the whole world can read it. Dr Jackman - what absolute diatribe and self pity you took upon yourself. Our hearts bled for you. The sooner the Government gets of their hands and puts a stop to these so called "big wigs" coming to the island and stuffing things up the better. What a joke. We have a fully qualified Dentist living on the island, and Norfolk is going to fork out about $20,000 to bring in another Dentist, who will probably resign after 5 minutes.But ho hum - this is Focus 2002 - we have lots of money to do this. Why doesn't Jackman come clean? There has never been such delays to see a Dentist ever before!! The population hasn't exploded that much and I for one could always get in on the day I phoned to see Eric Williams, Mike Foley or even Dr Colin White - so come on Pat admit it - if you spent more time doing your job and less time bloody chattering, you may not have had the delays and back-log. What makes you so special?? All I can say is that there have been some real bad stories about you. Just talk to those who have been to you. You want to criticise Colin White and treat him like crap??? you can't handle the fact that he is a brilliant Dentist and alot of us sung his praises to you???? but more worse,..you haven't done him any justice and YOU HAVE NEVER MET HIM!! well maybe those who have never been to you would like to a know a thing or two. What about extracting the wrong sore tooth huh?? do you remember now?? do you remember some of your patients requesting certain jobs being done on their teeth and you not doing it??? is it all coming back to you now??? well it is a good thing that you are leaving, but the worry is now, will we be getting one of your "old mates" or maybe one of Connells' mates' who can't tell the difference between what's old or new in equipment??? then all I can say is God help Norfolk Island. Come on Norfolk - don't let this happen. Stand up for what we want and deserve. Now is a perfect chance for the Government to put their money where their mouths are with their Focus 2002, and tell the Hospital Director who the boss is and get our resident Dentist in the job. Dr Colin White is one of the best Dentists Norfolk Island has ever had, he is living here on Norfolk, is not a TEP, has all the skills required, and no-one has the tenacity to do what is desperately needed. Get rid of the weight at the top!! That's right - Norfolk is "top heavy" and we are sinking fast -hence the heading "top heavy means sink suff". Oh but lets remove our blinkers,...it all fits and has happened for years - and this has been proven many times. They always let go of the good ones. Let's not forget Dr Roz Terry. I don't think the Government will ever listen to their electors (only days before an election)Norfolk people are fed up of "dem" coming here and taking over. No wonder there is so much division in the community and Public Service. Mr Ronnie Ray is to be applauded for this - (the top heavy guys n" gals). All was well until big $$$$$$ were spent on bringing in the "experts"???? and you all wonder why there is no money?? Lift your heads up out of the sand boys and girls "down the town" - only you 9 can put things right but only when you let them know who is the boss. FOCUS 2002 YORLYE - WHAT WORDS OF WISDOM - WE WANT TO CUT COSTS AND LOOK AT WAYS OF SAVING MONEY, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE TOP HEAVY (CMG, HOSPITAL DIRECTOR, CEO)NAD BRING IN MORE OF THE OVERSEAS EXPERTS - BUT TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO PUT OUR OWN PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.

Great to see some of your local identities marching out at the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games in Manchester. Tom Lloyd was most visible, the old fellow just knows where to be when the camera zooms in perhaps the rest of the crew should have followed his lead and given us all a wave. Hope they have some success. Is there any news on latest developments in the investigation into Janelle's murder - things seem to have gone quiet? Has the trail gone cold - seems such along time ago, her parents must be so disappointed with the authorities and those on the island that perhaps know something but won't give forward any information. Have the Australian Newspapers been blacked out so no reporting takes place in case the Tourist Industry on Norfolk is further eroded? Something is not right with this whole sad episode.

Hello Norfolkians The message of the -regular mobile phone user- is not the whole truth. I know of a lot of people (including myself) who are fed up of having to listen to -important phone calls- (yes honey I'm sitting in the train...) of mobile users. There is actually already a trend towards destinations that have no mobile network. And that includes the younger generation as well. (Im 30). If somebody doesnt go somewhere because there is no mobile phone network really has some kind of problem... Keep on being Off-air. Youre not missing anything. A.

Hi Darlene, No I am still here, I had a virus and lost my email addresses. I thought you moved off the island or something. You message told me you would email me that was may 28, it is now july 24. So where is the email. I am patiently waiting. Joe

I am the journalist who posted the message a few weeks ago that seemed to have hit a nerve. First off, because we can't turn back time doesn't mean it didn't happen. Somebody was murdered, and believe it or not, it is news (why else do you think it was reported all over the media). I am aware that you want to return to your normal life and by no means did I ever intend to disrespect Janelle Patton, her family or friends. I was merely trying to feel out what the public was thinking, and sure enough I got plenty of responses. Nice to know that some people are in denial, others despise the media in general, while yet others believe that some people have something to hide. Don't flatter yourself that any journalist would take your response at face value and consider it to be a fact. The accusation that some people take advantage of other people's misfortune is rather ridiculous. That would mean the media couldn't print half the stories they write. There is a murderer out there. Ever thought about the fact that justice needs to be served and the public has a right to know what's going on? Wouldn't that be the greatest service to the victim and her family? Stonewalling isn't going to make this go away. I am not sure why people are so hostile because of a fairly innocent request for some information that is in the public domain anyway. I do appreciate all your input, however, I wish you hadn't come to premature conclusions. A simple "we don't want to talk about this" would have done the trick. I hope this clarifies a few things and I hope this topic will in the future be discussed, only maybe on a more "friendly" level. In the end, we are all on the same side. Regards.

A journalists job is to report facts, not gossip. Do you think any serious journalist of good repute would report anything mentioned in this forum as being an indisputable fact? If we wanted to say we were in fact the webmaster, what is there to stop us? A forum is just a page where people can express their ideas and swap opinions. Its an unfortunate fact of life that often people will take a morbid interest in the misfortune of others. Life is short enough without dwelling on negative things, whats already happened cannot be changed. Time then to look forward.

Hey there David, Thank you for your comment on my comment! I apologise that you have found these to be unfriendly, I assure you they were not meant to be read in that way. What I intended was to try to change peoples focus on here away from being solely about Janelle Pattons death. There are other things happening worth writing about, and I felt sorry and concerned that there seemed to be so much hype given to this subject alone. This does not mean that I am trying to belittle this tragedy or its significance. Merely that this forum doesn't have to be devoted entirely to it.As for my comment on the use of foreign language, I was in no way disparaging, have you no sense of humour? Again I meant no offense.You are right I am not a professional, definitely not a webmaster, just a person who is interested in Norfolk Island its people and their way of life.Its nice to see someone else introducing another topic on the forum today, one which is also going to affect lifestyle on Norfolk Island, and its visitors. Regardless whether we like it or not Dave, life goes on. Keep an open mind, sometimes things aren't as negative as they appear at first glance.

For the attention of the 'caller from Thailand' who wrote on July 11 The Norfolk Island code is +672 3 followed by the 5 digit no, i.e. you are missing the digit '3'

Are U the webmaster, or something similar, here ? Your comments and answers for the guestcomments in this guestbook sounds not very professionel and friendly! I can understand that U don't want snoopy journalists here, after these scary homicide on Janelle Patton, but your job is it now to show the people (and potential visitors!!) that the residents on your island are willing to really disabuse this crime, and not to affront guests who write in her own language! For the Norfolk people; the story of Janelle is in the meantime also a story in one of the biggest german magazins "Der Spiegel": http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,206129,00.html Pls forgive my bad english. Greetz, David

Are U the webmaster, or something similar, here ? Your comments and answers for the guestcomments in this guestbook sounds not very professionel and friendly! I can understand that U don't want snoopy journalists here, after these scary homicide on Janelle Patton, but your job is it now to show the people (and potential visitors!!) that the residents on your island are willing to really disabuse this crime, and not to affront guests who write in her own language! For the Norfolk people; the story of Janelle is in the meantime also a story in one of the biggest german magazins "Der Spiegel": http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,206129,00.html Pls forgive my bad english. Greetz, David

TO ALL YOU NORFOLK RESIDENTS Surely common sense will prevail and Norfolk Island will accept the $1 million that Australia has provided to assist in the installation of mobile cellular phones for Norfolk Island. Norfolk Island will still be a unique destination and its not like you dont have mobiles already. I saw the ones that are currently being carried around and my heart goes out to those poor people that have to carry those bricks around with them. When you have your referendum stop to consider if this opportunity will come your way again and will Australia be as obliging when you do finally discover that you cannot afford to be without mobile communications in future years. It should be personal choice if you want to use a mobile phone or not. If I want a bit of peace from my phone I just turn it off. Australia is offering Norfolk the chance to have half of the mobile system paid for by its taxpayers so grab it while its there. You cannot stop technology advancing but you can try to keep up with it and if you want to be a competitive tourist destination then vote YES at the referendum. Otherwise you may find that the only visitors that you get in the future may remain as it currently is. The 50-90 year olds. Vote YES I want to turn on my mobile next trip to Norfolk.

Gee thanks alot for your comments, can't say we understand what it was you wrote but .....whatever it was we wish you exactly the same...OK !!!

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It struck me after my recent tour of the wonderful museums on Norfolk that it might be good to start a Friends of Norfolk's History group to help raise funds in both Australia and New Zealand to support the museums and help to fund better conditions for the maritime museum, as we do not want the Australians to take anything back do we. I am sure many visitors would be interested to sign up as a Friend and receive maybe a 6 monthly newsletter on historical issues. They could organise fund raisers via the net so we can connect up the avid Norfolk isalnd supporters that exist out there. We are one of them. Their fees and fund raisers could help support the museums. Due to Norfolks wonderful community and its ability to make you feel right at home I am sure there are many people who would want to contribute to preserving the heritage and the history. Well just a thought. Thanks for a wonderful holiday and experience for myself and my family and hello Taj hope you are still at that roundabout keeping guard.

Was Janelle Patton's life worth nothing? Whoever took her life seems to be getting away with the crime and life just goes on as usual. Tourism and the dollar seem to rule the island no matter what. Yes Folks a murder took place on your island and probably one of your own did the deed .. when is someone going to step forward and give information to the Federal Police which will solve this crime? You can't brush it under the carpet it did happen !!! I worked on your island with DCA and am shocked that life on Norfolk has come to this when the whole population seems frightened to come forward for fear of family payback. Seems alot like New Guinea doesn't it, where the rule is payback, amongst the local clans.

Haello, My name is Ravichandran.I am 34 year man from Malaysia. Malaysia is a beautiful and friendly country located on south east asia. I am seeking penpals from Norfolk Island to exchange views about our culture, way of life, etc.My hobbies are reading, travelling, writing, nature. movies and collecting stamps.I studied at a university and got a degree in history and politics and now doing MBA.I hope to hear from someone to have a good friendship, either by email or or snail mail. If anyone interested to get Malaysians for the same purpose, I am willing to help.Thank you and have a nice day.

Dear Norfolk residents, I am trying to call your beautiful place, with no luck. Can anyone help me? The country code I have is 672. So, calling from Thailand (where I don;t understand the operator) 001-672-five-digit Norfolk number. Am I missing something? Thanks.

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I am amazed that as yet the Federal Police have not apprehended someone for Janelle Patton's murder, I know things go at a snail's pace on Norfolk but this is unreal. Are the police under staffed? It appears the only things getting out from the island are documentaries on Sorrell's new home on Norfolk and Helen Reddy's claim to fame to be an ancestor of a convict who was sent there, could it be they are both living on the island to escape the tax man?

Although I'm sure there are plenty of "Norfolk Lovers" out there it sure makes the forum page confusing when other people use the name you chose to write in under in the first place. Hence some comments made by "me" were not made by "me", merely by some other person who lacks the imagination to make up their own name! As for writing in, giving no name and pretending to be a journalist just to try and latch on to a bit of "gossip" thats pretty dam low! I'm sure everything possible is being done to solve this visious crime, the fact that it has not been written about of late means that the police are actually being given a chance to do the necessary work out of the "spotlight" which is just another added pressure they have been under.Yes we are all waitng for the culprit/s to be caught and all hoping this case will not go unsolved but pushing the issue on here is not going to hasten matters. No doubt we will all hear about it when/if any charges are brought or if some concrete evidence comes to light.I think the effects of this crime will be felt on the Island for a long time to come yet, gossip mongers and finger pointing will only increase the already existing divide between Islanders and TEP's not to mention friends and family who are greiving and suffering. "Mystery journalist" do yourself a favour and go chase another topic! You could try...the effects of the deisel spillage off the pristine coast of Lord Howe Island!! Or Why does an Australian pilot need to even look at the possibility of importing Reef fish from Norfolk Island to the mainland??!!.

Get a life whoever you are, gossip is what it implies. If you want to know the latest, contact the Police. Have some respect for the family and friends of this young lady.

Hello Norfolk Islanders, I am a journalist and I was wondering if anyone could tell me the latest gossip about the murder of Janelle Patton. I haven't seen much in the papers in the last few weeks. Do you know of any writers working on longer pieces about the crime? What's the latest in the investigation by the Australian Federal Police? Is there anyone in particular I could contact to get more information? Thanks.

Norfolk is so BEAUTIFUL even though I've only been there once because my Dad lives there and my favorit place was Kingston.

Hello there. I lived on Norfolk for a few months in 2000, cleaning cars at Borry's. I want to find out how to contact 3 great friends: Clint Judd, Shannia Young and Sasha Roos. Can anyone help me? Thanx.

Forget the fish stories the locals are not going to give up their fish stocks for anyone. Lets start fishing into the murder of Janelle Patton. What no culprit yet? Some of you over there must be covering up this crime. Time to come clean /who dun it? The guilty must be pretty sure they are going to get away with it and sure looks that way doesn't it? Who is afraid of whom?

I some what agree to Miss Snell's reply in regards to Franks some how scheme to exploit another one of natures bounty's. I agree that maybe Frank should stay home and fish in his own back yard. Regards Roger D. Duck

I am writing with regards to Frank Rehrl's submission regarding an interest to export reef fish from Norfolk to Brisbane. I have a suggestion for you Frank, maybe you should think of another idea to make your money. We have a lovely island with a lovely supply of fish for OUR ecosystem. What we don't need is people coming in to make money, fishing out our environment so there is no fish left for the locals or our other living organisms that rely on these fish for their food supply. We have our own little paradise here on Norfolk, one which we are all proud of and are ALL keen to keep just as it is, unique and special. I'm sure there would be many other Norfolk Islanders and residents that feel we DO NOT need commercial fishing here thank you.

I am a pilot based on the Gold Coast with a 10 seat aircraft. I am investigating the posibility of air freighting reef fish from Norfolk to Brisbane for local consumption. Can anyone help in recomending or advising me what to do. My email is rehrl@optusnet.com.au Regards, Frank

I am a pilot based on the Gold Coast with a 10 seat aircraft. I am investigating the posibility of air freighting reef fish from Norfolk to Brisbane for local consumption. Can anyone help in recomending or advising me what to do. My email is rehrl@optusnet.com.au Regards, Frank