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Name: Geoffrey
Email: monclub@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 31 December 2003
Time: 03:23:24 PM

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Tintoala, It is heartening to read views such as yours from young Norfolk Islanders - I hope we have plenty more that share your sentiments. I agree, I too am proud of Norfolk's fiancial independence since the beginning. However times are a changing, we do need to offer a higher level of social support to our community. My point is that "if" we are unable to do this through raising the funds through our own small economy then there is no shame in us accepting support from Australia and indeed we have a right to this support being an Australian territory. Austrlia providing a higher level of social services and support should not need to be bargained away as is suggested in the JSC. Looking at the way the initial Report has been delivered, its tone, and attitude of the members it will be no surprise to see their follow up report on Norfolk's financial status show that we are unviable. I believe they will create a report upon which they can build a case for Norfolk being insolvent (a very simple procedure as any accountant can testify) and needing to follow all of the misguided reccomendations in the initial report. My reply to this is that we have a right to financial assitance - without having to sell out. If you believe we need to upgrade our hospital, social services then go ahead and do so - why would you tie it to us giving you control of our immigration and taking descision making power off the island to Canberra?

Name: Wilfred A
Email: opps2000cm@yahoo.com
Country: Cameroon
Date: Sunday, 28 December 2003
Time: 01:01:09 AM

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We will like to know about your Organization,ie activities,services etc.we also co-ordinate youth activities also.Hope for good Co-orperation.

Name: aussie
Email: aussie@beach.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 27 December 2003
Time: 01:55:43 PM

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Good on you Tintoela thats what I like to hear, strong POSITIVE views. The youth of Norfolk is the future and that is what needs to be addressed. sometimes we have to move on and although I knew nothing of the stolen generation here, when that information became public, I had no trouble saying sorry in the hope that while we couldn't change the past then we could ensure the future would be brighter. Message Stick ABC tells me that is happening slowly but surely. Your view is very important as you are part of that future. Keep thinking and keep communicating. Norfolk is unique and if the right people are in Assembly looking after Norfolk's interests instead of their own, you are halfway there. Cheers

Name: tintoala
Email: tintoala@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 27 December 2003
Time: 10:54:00 AM

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as a young norfolker, and having had read the previous submissions, i would like to have my point of view known. i consider myself a norfolk islander and nothing else. I hold an australian passport, but that doesnt in anyway make me an australian. my heart and future lie with norfolk as its own destiny, not australia. Ifirmly believe that if norfolk is to retain its own identity and destiny we must not forget that norfolk is norfolk, australia is australia and nz is nz. I am very proud that since early days norfolk has managed to sustain itself and not rely on overseas aid or money and i do not begrudge australia one bit for the lack of money , as it is a good reflection on norfolk as a self sustaining community, this is something that a lot of larger countries cant say for themselves. I am very saddened by the fact that as soon as norfolks economy goes into a slump, people want to integrate norfolk into australia, instead of toughing it out and finding solutions(the easy way out.) I wouldnt in a million years trade my self determination to become a suburb of canberra ruled by overseas nobodies, which if did happen would make us no better off anyway.

Name: tintoala
Email: tintoala@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 27 December 2003
Time: 10:45:02 AM

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Name: Aussie
Email: aussie@beach.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 27 December 2003
Time: 09:52:48 AM

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Hi again, thanks for answering my questions, no I wasn't infering anything as I am not into favours or beholding to anyone. What I , , think is really good is that you answered me without jumping down my throat and now I have more understanding of how you feel and as you say, if people start talking and asking questions and getting answers and other points of view , it promotes a healthy discussion which can get rid of a lot of frustration and anger and show people the real problems and maybe they can help. Sometimes by talking and discussing problems you find that you have the same ideas even though our homes are different. I have always believed that we shouldn't sell land to outsiders but lease it as then you never lose that land and there is a security knowing it will always ultimately be yours. Pity the laws can't be changed to only allow outsiders to buy crown lease or to hold a lease on freehold, if that were possible. So much of the mainland belongs to overseas interests and I wonder if we can ever afford to buy it back in the future. Is it possible to start lobbying Assembly to change such things, I know it takes a long time but once started the time ticks away. There must be loopholes that could be closed to your benefit. Maybe it is time for some of you younger people to stand for Assembly, there is always more than one way to do things and as we all know success is the best revenge

Name: Geoffrey Le Cren
Email: monoclub@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 December 2003
Time: 09:31:58 PM

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Australia has by no measure of the imagination had a constant stream of funding going into Norfolk Island – which is a disgrace considering we are supposed to be an integral part of your country. Pitcairn islanders have been here for 147years, going back to before Australia even existed as a country - and in all these years the only regular annual funding that has been paid to us has been within the last 30 odd years 50% of the expenses to restore the historical building in Kingston (listed as an Australian Heritage site) and for the last 20 years 100% funding to run the "Australian Parks and Wildlife" service on the island. Neither of these cases can be seen to be financially supporting Norfolk Island in terms of us being dependent on your tax money. It is good for you that you accept your lot as an Australian and the system that you have for electing your government. I too rather like mine and don't want it changed. As you point out we have a few bad buggers here but as they say better the devil you know eh! Rather have them here where we can keep an eye on them and be able to throw them out in the next election than have some "tai tai Canberite" deciding for me who can and can't live on our island and any other multitude of decisions those poor misguided ones on the JSC are recommending we hand over to Canberra. We enjoy the same benefits as you do when we arrive in Australia because we are Australian citizens, this means you ultimately control us and have power over us. We have served on most every war you have fought, of the hundreds perhaps thousands of islanders who have lived in Australia we have paid hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of dollars into your coffers through taxes, and millions into your economy - most of the goods sold on Norfolk Island are imported – a great proportion of them from Australia. You seem to infer that you are doing us a favor but the truth is we have a symbiotic relationship which neither of us can do without and which we should acknowledge for this is the basis for our future relationship. Norfolk Island is indispensable to Australia geopolitically, always have been and we always will be. Ever since the French were moving into the Pacific threatening British interests (the real reason Norfolk was “given” to the Pitcairn Islanders) and we are just as important now in this age of terrorism, the most likely reason why the heat is being applied now. Whether or not Australia wants to publicly acknowledge it this is the reason we are being forced into political subservience. We all know that independence is not a feasible option for Norfolk – irrespective of the legality of our claims, we simply have neither the resources nor the inclination to go it alone. Just as Australia enjoys a high degree of security (which is in high demand these days) in knowing that Norfolk is one of her territories. She should in return respect our place in history and the uniqueness of our people. In tabling a report that uncovers what they deem to be glaring problems in our medical and social services Australia should not be trying to bargain with us by offering better services in return for control of our immigration and devolving power off the island. Canberra should be magnanimous and look to nurture Norfolk and all that is special about her. I appeal to all members of the Legislative Assembly to see this for what it is. For Norfolk Islanders and her friends to join in this discussion, here in the forum, in the Norfolk Islander, in your homes, in the work place. We should not be bargaining our legacy away. We should be holding onto that which is precious from our past and asking Australia to respect and support us. We should be taking on many of the sensible recommendations in the report and adding many more, regulate land prices, develop systems to support young locals to buy their own homes/land, put more into teaching Norfolk in the School and the community, look after ouwas sullun and that which we already know is precious, because once se gorne we nahwa gwen el get et back.

Name: aussie
Email: aussie@beach.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 26 December 2003
Time: 04:40:46 PM

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Dear Buff, It is nice that you feel so good about your island and so you should as it is a beautiful place. I likewise love my homeland whether we win at sports or not. I didn't vote for this government but as I live in freedom and democracy I cast my vote and accept the majority and will cast my vote again next time and hope I am part of a majority that will give us a new governmant. I am confused as to the difference between an external territory and and external territory under the authority of Australia it comes across to me that Aus. still has the ruling say either way. We the taxpayer have poured a constant stream of funding to Norfolk over the years and correct me if I am wrong but as yo don't pay tax how come you have the same benefits as us as soon as you arrive on the mainland. It is just a question not a criticism. Unfortunately paradise is not perfect I agree about a lot of our "pollies" over here but I am well aware of some doozies over yours and some of the report can be attributed to the people who have gained high places and used it for their own benefit and not for the good of the island. I suppose it now remains to be seen whether the report will be filed and forgotten or acted upon and either way it should happen swiftly so that everyone can move on. You know, if the gov. steps in it may well sort the men from the boys and only thos mainlanders who truly love Norfolk will stay and the ones who are only there for personal gain will once again grace us with their presence. Norfolk will always be beautiful and you and I are both lucky that we have our island homes as so much of the world is in a sad unrepairable state fuelled by hate and intolerance and living in the past. Have a good new year keep writing to forum as it shows people that you are interested in what happens to your homeland

Name: Hostie
Email: dd
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 19 December 2003
Time: 05:29:30 PM

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How's the sick FA who held up the Norfolk Jet/Alliance Flight on Sunday Night/Monday Morning? Not happy Jan were all the pax on there it was great getting back to BNE at 2AM. If the crew member was sick why the hell did the fly with something like an ear problem, even blind freddy knows flying and a crook ear don't match.

Name: Concerned Resident
Email: concern.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 December 2003
Time: 09:05:57 AM

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Is it too much trouble for some of the people who have decided to stay on Norfolk (for whatever reasons)to take your kitchen rubbish to the waste management centre?? Some of us long lived locals here enjoy fishing off the jetties and we nor need yorlyes crap for burley. Some o' yorlye cah do en ess very hooey hooey. Pete's Place (where you work) sells rubbish bins and the WMC is around near the airport. USE IT.

Name: Lisbeth
Email: with@held
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 15 December 2003
Time: 08:22:03 PM

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To each and everyone on Norfolk Island and those Islanders living abroad may I wish you all a very Happy Christmas and a bright and positive New Year. May the New Year be all you would like it to be. God Bless

Name: buff
Email: buff@whatthe.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 15 December 2003
Time: 12:06:39 PM

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As a young Norfolk Island who has spent the majority of his life living in Australia, the one thing that has kept me sane in this mad world that western society calls life, is the knowledge that I have Norfolk as Home. And trust me not a lot of people in this wide world really have a place they can call home. Most Australians are proud to be Australians when their sporting sides are winning but their view of the Australian government is one of shame. A simple walk in any town in Australia shows the poverty that is rampant thru out the lower class, but Australia gives aid to many foreign country's, sorry no finger pointing, quite a large amount of their own tax payer's money. The health care system is in disarray, the welfare system is bias against middle wage earners ( the majority ) but they can still find the time and resources to table a report that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The Australians living on Norfolk do at their own insistence, for their own gains or needs. Maybe the Australian Federal Government needs a Joint Standing Committee to investigate corruption in their own system, the misuse and abuse by their own senators of their parlimentary powers. The health care and welfare systems, poverty, crime and school system. I love Norfolk, always have, always will. In my travels around the world, seeing the hurt and pain that the mankind creates every where he goes, my naive veiw of the world has changed, I no longer look at the world thru rose coloured glasses. No one man can change the way people think, cause it all comes down to the dollar. But Norfolk Islanders as a whole can stop western society destroying the last real paradise.

Name: buff
Email: buff@whatthe.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 15 December 2003
Time: 11:54:12 AM

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Name: a friend if u might still call me that :)
Email: ..
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 14 December 2003
Time: 08:24:27 AM

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Happy Birthday Katrina Rayner - Sat December 13 :) xxx Forever

Name: Lionel
Email: lionel@kells.net
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 13 December 2003
Time: 12:30:35 PM

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Hello Norfolks,

I hope I dont offend any one with my opinion, which I must admit comes from an outsiders perspective, but it is meant with a positive aspect.

However, it appears to me as though some 200+ years ago, a group of people felt so strongly about their freedom, independence and the beauty and inspiration of a place like Norlfolk/Pitcairn that they decided to to "screw" the establishment and fight for what was precious to them, and lead with their hearts and souls - and WON !! :)

So, in reference to your great historical & very memorable beginnings, then I can only encourage any and ALL efforts to maintain your independence, especially from Australia (which is still part of a commonwealth anyway!)

If your family and homes are not one of the most valuable assets in this world worth protecting, then what is truly worth fighting for ??

Dont give in, it is simply that we are jealous that you maintain such a high quality of life, which such a beautiful absence of commercialism ! :)

Stand fast, be who you are and continue to be proud of it :)

Lionel

Name: Norlarnen
Email: nor@wuntfelarn.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 13 December 2003
Time: 01:57:34 AM

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I for one appreciate the ever sagacious comments from our friend Mr Flynn, aka OrnTop. Es he bin tull dea ent wathing dem teach up meddlegaet. Noew ef onie sumbodie gwen el figga out hoose haem, cos ei buggared ef ei knoew hoose et!

Name: cah tul
Email: podi@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 12 December 2003
Time: 08:58:45 AM

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I wish to thank islander abroad for his valuable input, as due to divide and rule over the years many young people are unaware of these facts

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 December 2003
Time: 02:44:50 PM

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RE: "...we were here well before the supposed "majority" and will be here long after."

Hear! Hear! NorLarnen ...we've survived over 147 years of forced assimilation; prohibition on our own dialect at school; suppression of our OWN history (remember the CRAP they force-fed us at Middlegate!); AND interminable 'inquisitions' which have assumed the status of Nietzsche's "eternal recurrence"; ...what more can they throw at us??

Well, ...the sad fact is that in the half-century I've lived off the Island our people have been eclipsed demographically & are now a minority in their own Homeland.

It aint news that politics is essentially a numbers game; & Canberra knows that once it's got enough of a certain 'type' of expatriate entrenched over there; ultimate 'anschluss' will be a lay-down misere. It will then be open-slather for the Tories' mates at the Big-End of town to move in & "DEVELOP the friggin joint" ...be prepared for the levelling of Mt Pitt to backfill Emily Bay so they can build a McDonalds-On-Sea. The proposed reform of the existing immigration regime is the deadliest trap in the whole tawdry JSC spiel.

HOWEVER; for those ruling elites in Canberra, who seek to dispossess UCKLUN of our Rightful Homeland, NOTE THIS WELL:

1) OUR claim to Norfolk Island is founded on the most 'revered' institution of Western 'Legal-Rationalist-Bourgeois' Civilization ...the inviolable principle of SANCTITY-OF-CONTRACT; whether written, spoken or implied. Our ancestors on the Tahitian side were a representative cross-section of the 'Hui Arii'(aristocrats); 'Ra'atira' (chieftans); & 'Manahune' (salt-of-the-earth), classes of Ancient Otaheitean Society; correlating with the three major waves of Polynesian migration into the Far Eastern Pacific ...ie. our people have been in this part of the world for over FOUR THOUSAND YEARS. We are also the ONLY people of Tahitian descent to have escaped the jackboot of Imperial subjugation ...have a think about that.

2) YOUR claim to Australia is founded on a manifest 'LEGAL FICTION' ...the patent fabrication that 'New Holland' was "Terra Nullius" at the time of white settlement; the whole edifice of the Australian Settler State - including it's legal institutions - has been jerry-built upon the dodgiest legal foundations imaginable. You now appear to have fabricated a new legal fiction: that of "The Immaculate Cession". AND you've been in this region for a tad over 200 years ...a little premature to start taking over the whole neighbourhood I would suggest. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I TAKE EXCEPTION TO BEING DISPOSSESSED OF MY HOMELAND. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT MANY OF 'UCKLUN' FEEL LIKEWISE. YOU UNDERESTIMATE THIS SENTIMENT AT YOUR PERIL. I ALSO BELIEVE WE CAN TRUMP YOU IN INTERNATIONAL COURTS OF HIGHER JURISDICTION IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE. YOU'RE ON NOTICE. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

reference:

Title Norfolk Island - Administrative - Question of Ownership of Norfolk Island by Pitcairn Islanders Series number A518 Control symbol V800/1/4 Contents date range 1937 - 1940

Access status Open Location Canberra Barcode no 104117

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Items_Listing.asp?S=1&C=64&O=0&M=20&F=41

Name: young islander overseas
Email: anonymous_for_now
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 December 2003
Time: 10:03:37 AM

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Just a comment on the posted interview and following debate:

Hogg's use of inflammatory language was a disgraceful attempt to discredit our government and our people. He has exaggerated the situation to an extent that ruins his own credibility! His judgement of our society was made in a ridiculously short amount of time, and is dramatically skewed to suit his own purposes. I'm sure we can all admit that we have some administration problems on Norfolk, but to state that we are not capable of maintaining our own affairs with a large degree of independence is simply untrue. An investigation into our governmental system with the view of making practical suggestions for improvement would have the potential for a positive outcome- but these improvements must be made ON OUR OWN TERMS. I'm sure that the majority of Norfolk Islanders, including myself, will be speaking out with loud voices when the time comes to ensure that we DO NOT relinquish our right to self government.

Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@wunt.felarn.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 10 December 2003
Time: 09:37:46 PM

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Its all just a smoke screen. There is nothing wrong with our immigration policy as it stands. Unless you count of course Canberra's previous meddling where they have allowed Australians to vote in our elections after only very limited time on the island and are now proposing to reduce to 6 months! The fact that we have our own Legislative Assembly is proof enough (beyond all of the compelling arguments laid out by OrnTop) that we are a special case and require a level of self government, a requirement that has been recognised in the past. To take this away from us now will need more reasons than have been offered in the JSC report.

Our physical size, population, limited resources and geographical location all point towards us needing to have a close relationship with Australia - but we need them to respect and appreciate the unique people that we are. Unfortunately the attitude prevelant in the report and the media interviews all show quite the opposite. As the JSC says a minority will voice opposition , but this does not mean our voice should not be heard - as it is the voice of the locals and islanders who have the only real claim to the island going back 150 years. We may not be the ones here hiding from the tax man, making money from the tourists, retiring and living off a mainland pension - we were here well before the supposed "majority" and will be here long after.

Name: alicia
Email: wfp@yahoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 10 December 2003
Time: 07:11:00 PM

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Couldn't agree more with pouri, but you would be taxed off the face of the earth as well. Think about it!

Name: pouri
Email: pouri.@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 December 2003
Time: 09:19:42 AM

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anybody would think that australia and its govt was a shining example of honesty , integrity , accountability and ethics. dont allow australia more of a foot in the door because they will stuff us up, especially if they get a hold of our immigration, which is under proposal- dars fraedy

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 09 December 2003
Time: 12:29:23 PM

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AND FURTHERMORE...

COMPETENT Historians of this era of Pacific History will confirm that Capt. Fremantle's brief from the Colonial Office in 1855 was PRECISELY to INDUCE the Pitcairner's to undertake the traumatic upheaval of abandoning their beloved "Rock of the West" & travelling over 4,000 perilous miles into the unknown in order to resettle on Norfolk Island ...WOULD THEY REALLY HAVE GONE THROUGH SUCH HEART-WRENCHING DERACINATION |_WITHOUT_| GUARANTEE OF SECURITY OF TENURE IN THEIR NEW HOME *_ANALOGOUS_* TO THAT WHICH THEY ENJOYED ON PITCAIRN???

HOGG'S BUTT THEY WOULD ...& I'll wager Canberra to a Kangaroo Court that the following letter confirms it:

13. Letter of September 20, 1855, from G.M.F. Young on Pitcairn to Captain Fremantle of H.M.S. Juno, thanking him for kindness to the Pitcairn people. (2 pages). $4.00.

http://library.puc.edu/pitcairn/studycenter/store/papers.shtml

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PavlaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 08 December 2003
Time: 03:27:51 PM

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THEY'VE BEEN PISSING IN OUR POCKETS SINCE 1856 ...& NOW THEY'RE TRYING A No.2 ON US; FROM A GREAT HEIGHT...

Lets get the historical record STRAIGHT: Our ancestors were INVEIGLED to resettle on this magnificent Island in order to KEEP IT BRITISH in the face of French encroachment on the 'British Sphere of Interest' in the western pacific ; such encroachment having progressed as far west as New Caledonia by 1853.

Why "UCKLUN"?: Because EVERY remote British Settlement - populated by *_Poms_* - in this GOD-FORSAKEN part of the world had eventually degenerated into ABJECT FAILURE.

REMEMBER THIS: The British had attempted a number of settlements on the REMOTE northern Australian coast in the early part of the nineteenth century: Fort Dundas on Melville Island in 1824; Fort Wellington at Raffles Bay in 1829; and Victoria Settlement (Port Essington) on the Coburg Peninsula in 1839. They were DESPERATE to secure the north of Australia before either the French or Dutch - who had already colonised Islands further north - could move in:

...ALL of these settlement FAILED MISERABLY.

BOTH the First Settlement on Norfolk 1788-1814 AND the Second Settlement 1825-1855 eventually degenerated into DISASTROUS FAILURES for reasons which are too well known to warrant further analysis here ...the FACT is that in order to prevent the French from eventually claiming Norfolk as abandoned & therefore "Terra Nullius", it HAD TO BE SETTLED. For this purpose the Colonial Office needed:

a) Settlers who would be loyal to the British Crown.

b) Settlers WITH A PROVEN RECORD OF SURVIVAL IN A REMOTE & SOMETIMES HOSTILE INSULAR ENVIRONMENT. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ OUR PEOPLE FITTED THE BILL PERFECTLY ON BOTH COUNTS; WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE *_INDUCED_* TO SETTLE ON NORFOLK WITH THE PROMISE THAT THE ISLAND WOULD BE 'CEDED' (ie. "vested in perpetuity") TO THEM IN RETURN ...ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU DIFFERENT IS BLOODY WELL LYING IN THEIR TEETH. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

IRREFUTABLE Proof that the British Government still considered Norfolk Island to be a discrete 'United kingdom & British Dominion' as late as 1930 follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. 73/1930: COPYRIGHT (UNITED KINGDOM AND BRITISH DOMINIONS) ORDER, 1930.

1930 68 STATUTORY RULES AND ORDERS. 1930. No. 73. COPYRIGHT (UNITED KINGDOM AND BRITISH DOMINIONS) ORDER, 1930. COPYRIGHT (UNITED KINGDOM AND BRITISH DOMINIONS) ORDER, 1930.

WHEREAS it is enacted by section 175 of the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act, 1927 (No. 16 of 1927), as amended by the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) (Amendment) Act, 1929 (No. 13 of 1929), that the Governor-General may, by order made on the advice of the Executive Council, direct that Part VI. of the said Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act, 1927, shall apply—

(a) to works first published in a British dominion, protectorate, or territory to which the order relates, in like manner as if they were first published within Saorstát Eireann,

(b) to literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, the authors whereof were at the time of making the work subjects or citizens of a British dominion, protectorate, or territory to which the order relates, in like manner as if the authors were citizens of Saorstát Eireann,

(c) in respect of residence in a British dominion, protectorate, or territory to which the order relates, in like manner as if such residence were residence within Saorstát Eireann,

and that thereupon, subject to the provisions of the said Part VI. of the said Act and of the order, the said Act shall apply accordingly:

AND WHEREAS it is provided by section 3 of the said Act that in that Act the expression "British dominion" includes Great Britain and Northern Ireland:

AND WHEREAS an International Convention (hereinafter called the Berne Convention) with respect to the protection to be given by way of copyright to the authors of literary and artistic works was signed at Berne on the 9th day of September, 1886:

AND WHEREAS the Berne Convention was amended by an International Convention signed at Paris on the 4th day of May, 1896, and was further amended by an International Convention signed at Berlin on the 13th day of November, 1908:

AND WHEREAS the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a signatory to the Berne Convention and the said amending Conventions:

AND WHEREAS the Berne Convention and the said amending Conventions are binding on the British dominions, protectorates, and territories mentioned in the Schedule hereto:

AND WHEREAS Saorstát Eireann has acceded to the Berne Convention and the said amending Conventions:

AND WHEREAS Part VI. of the said Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act, 1927, was amended in divers respects by the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) (Amendment) Act, 1929 (No. 13 of 1929):

NOW I, JAMES McNEILL, Governor-General of the Irish Free State, on the advice of the Executive Council and in exercise of the powers conferred on me by the said section 175 of the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act, 1927, as amended by the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) (Amendment) Act, 1929, and of every and any other power me in this behalf enabling, do hereby order and direct as follows, that is to say:—

1. This Order may be cited for all purposes as the Copyright (United Kingdom and British Dominions) Order, 1930.

2. The Interpretation Act, 1923 (No. 46 of 1923), applies to the interpretation of this Order in like manner as it applies to the interpretation of an Act of the Oireachtas.

3. Part VI. of the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act, 1927 (No. 16 of 1927), as amended by the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) (Amendment) Act, 1929, shall apply

(a) to works first published after the 6th day of December, 1921 (whether before or after the date of this Order), in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or any of the British dominions, protectorates, and territories mentioned in the Schedule hereto in like manner as if such works were first published after the said date in Saorstát Eireann;

(b) to literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works made after the 6th day of December, 1921 (whether before or after the date of this Order), the authors whereof were at the time of the making of the work subjects or citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or of any of the British dominions, protectorates, and territories mentioned in the Schedule hereto in like manner as if such authors were at such time citizens of Saorstát Eireann;

(c) in respect of residence after the 6th day of December, 1921 (whether before or after the date of this Order), in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or any of the British dominions, protectorates, and territories mentioned in the Schedule hereto in like manner as if such residence were residence within Saorstát Eireann.

JAMES MacNEILL,

GOVERNOR-GENERAL.

Dublin.

This 17th day of September, 1930.

SCHEDULE.

PART I.

Islands of Guernsey, Alderney, and Sark.

Island of Jersey.

Isle of Man.

British India.

PART II.

Colonies.

Ashanti.

Bahama Islands.

Island of Barbados.

Bermuda Islands.

British Guiana.

British Honduras.

Ceylon.

Island of Cyprus.

Falkland Islands.

Fiji Islands.

Gambia.

City and Garrison of Gibraltar.

Gilbert and Ellice Islands.

Gold Coast.

Grenada.

Hong Kong.

Jamaica and Turks Islands.

Kenya.

Leeward Islands.

Malta.

Island of Mauritius.

Nigeria.

Norfolk Island.

Papua.

Island of St. Helena.

St. Lucia.

St. Vincent.

Seychelles.

Sierra Leone.

Southern Rhodesia.

Straits Settlements.

Trinidad and Tobago.

PART III.

Protectorates and Territories.

Territory of Basutoland.

Bechuanaland Protectorate.

British Solomon Islands Protectorate.

Protectorate of the Gambia.

Protectorate of Kenya.

Protectorate of Nigeria.

Territory of Northern Rhodesia.

Nyasaland Protectorate.

Protectorate of Sierra Leone.

Somaliland Protectorate.

Territory of Swaziland.

Uganda Protectorate.

Wei-hai-wei.

PART IV.

Mandated Territories.

Palestine.

Tanganyika.

Cameroons under British Mandate.

Togoland under British Mandate.

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reference:

Despatches from the Secretary of State for the Colonies and the Governor General of the Commonwealth of Australia, and related papers, concerning the transfer of the administration of Norfolk Island from New South Wales to the Commonwealth, 1902–14

Quantity: 1 bundle

Location: Western Sydney Records Centre

Includes papers concerning the reasons for including Norfolk Island in the Commonwealth territory such as postal arrangements, defence and the adverse effect of the imposition of custom duties on Norfolk Island’s products entering Australia. Also includes arrangements for the transfer of the administration of Norfolk Island from New South Wales to the Commonwealth of Australia. Of special note is a petition dated 6 October 1902 signed by 82 male inhabitants requesting to remain a Crown Colony. CGS 4517, [12/2064.1 part]

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/publications/federation/page09-1.htm

Name: Socrates
Email: Norfolk_Island
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 08 December 2003
Time: 01:32:43 PM

Comments

For the JOINT STANDING COMMITTEE REPORT

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

....Socrates

"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all."

....Socrates

Name: Thinking
Email: Polly
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 08 December 2003
Time: 10:29:01 AM

Comments

As someone once said: "Only one person ever attended a parliament with honest intentions - and that was Guy Fawkes".

Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 07 December 2003
Time: 11:46:53 PM

Comments

JSC REPORT = "MASSIVE SNOW JOB"

How gude fe si sum oh ouwas yung sullun chippin en!

As previously mentioned, under what authority are these foreigners acting? Since when was Norfolk Island part of Australia?

Where do Australians get off coming in and passing judgment on Norfolk and telling us what we can or can't? Who can and can't live, vote on our island?

Even if we were to grant thoseAussies the freedom to launch such an investigation into our affairs why in the heck wouldn't they come clean and offer an open transparent REPORT, not a hatchet job like they have. 1) Outline what they believe are the faults of our current system 2) Viable options/alternatives for improving the system.

NO, Instead they come in with an ignorant and heavy hand as if to say they know best expecting us to roll over and accept their paternal care. Sorry Australia, you have a very poor record in human rights as any Asian, Aboriginal, Italian, Greek or any other race beyond your "white singlet wearing flip flop flapping throw another prawn on the barby ocker" will testify. NORFOLK ISLANDERS AND ANY OF OUR LONG STANDING RESIDENTS AND FRIENDS WHO LOVE AND CARE ABOUT OUR ISLAND, ITS PEOPLE AND CULTURE - DO NOT LET THEM TAKE OVER. FIND OUT IF THERE IS ANY TRUTH TO THE PROBLEMS THEY ARE OUTLINING, FIND REAL SOLUTIONS THAT WORK FOR US. DONT LET NORFOLK BE TURNED INTO ANOTHER SURFERS PARADISE WHERE THE GREEDY MR PACKER/MURDOCHS OF THE WORLD FEED OFF THE REAL PEOPLE

Name: A Mutineer
Email: rackoffJSC.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 December 2003
Time: 06:08:16 AM

Comments

I am convinced HOGG has been watching the movie BABE too much as the PIG - BABE went "la la" a few times. How about keeping your head in your trough, butt out, leave us alone and GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. Can I ask what the hell you know about US here on Norfolk OR how we live you five minute wonder. You sure have the right name!!

Name: En Wah!
Email: norfolkislander@NORFOLKnotCANBERRA.NF
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 03:55:55 PM

Comments

se gurrett, I’m with you 100% I am also a young islander living on Norfolk and I’m so sick of the Australian media and Canberra officials reporting on something they know nothing about... As for the Ross Lightfoot interview on Radio National, just by listening to him you can tell he kaa what a wei. And yet he has the cheek to go on radio and produce a report on how a thai thai canbranite would like Norfolk to be. And to all yorley forum readers don’t believe everything you read. - Norfolk kicks ass! – And we wont be handing it over without a fight…… Or better yet! WE WONT BE HANDING IT OVER!

Name: se gurrett
Email: gurrett@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 01:38:24 PM

Comments

as a young norfolk islander, I just wish that the aust govt would leave us the hell alone. As prevously suggested, they should be looking in their own backyard, even in suburbs of sydney, that'll own rural outback communities before they criticize us. I believe we have a high standard of living here which leads me to believe that there is definately a hidden agenda; re oil and gas and fisheries. I hope tey dont underestimate the extent to which me and others will fight to keep our self autonomy

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 01:17:57 PM

Comments

re: preceding post - "...WE WON"T ALLOW YOU TO STUFF UP OUR ISLAND."

Simmisa'thing Nunna, ent 'ouwas' Eilen enni lornga.

One of my clearest childhood memories of growing-up on Norfolk many moons ago Before the Flood; is of my Great Grandmother (born on Pitcairn) commenting approvingly on the very large portrait of a particulary dour Queen Victoria, which hung in splendid isolation above the mantlepiece: " ...eff nort fe Her, wi gutt noe sied fe lew..."

It was taken as an unquestioned article of faith right throughout my youth on Norfolk, that the Island was a British Crown Colony which had been - if not outright Ceded, as many fervently believed, then most definitely 'Vested in Perpetuity'; to the Pitcairn Islanders & their Descendants.

I am yet to sight any compelling DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE (eg. Instruments of Annexation to Australia) that this is no longer the case.

I accept that Norfolk Island is legitimately under the 'Administrative Authority' of Canberra; however the relevant Orders in Council by which these new administrative arrangements were struck between London & Canberra do not - in any way shape or form - imply that SOVEREIGNTY over Norfolk Island has been ceded by Britain to the Commonwealth of Australia ...ergo, Norfolk Island is still technically a British Crown Colony. See Appendix below.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If any of the bush-lawers on the Joint Standing Committee on the National Capital and External Territories, would care to point us to the DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE confirming the CESSION of the British Crown Colony of Norfolk Island to the Commonwealth of Australia; please do so ...because the responsible Minister at the time, has side-stepped the issue quite neatly as per the quote following: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "At the outset I know I must acknowledge that there is one particular issue which still seems to have the power to create division on the Island. That contentious issue is of course the Island’s constitutional status. Now I could spend a lot of time going through the various legal and constitutional proofs and counter some of the more imaginative claims which have been made over recent years. However, the experiences of my predecessors indicate that such an approach would not change the views of the minority elements. I will therefore simply say that the Federal Government’s position hasn’t changed since the 1978 policy statement I referred to earlier. As Mr Ellicott emphasised then: “Norfolk Island is part of Australia and will remain so”."

Appendix A – Minister’s Statement The Hon. Wilson Tuckey MP, Minister for Regional Services, Territories and Local Government, The Federal Government’s Interests in, and Obligations to, Norfolk Island, tabled in the Legislative Assembly on 25 September 2002 and published in The Norfolk Islander, 28 September 2002.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

APPENDIX:

AND WHEREAS by an Order in Council dated the 30th day of March, 1914, His Majesty King George V, by virtue and in exercise of the power in that behalf by the said last-mentioned Act or otherwise in His Majesty vested, after reciting that the Parliament had passed an Act No. 15 of 1913, entitled:

“An Act to provide for the acceptance of Norfolk Island as a territory under the authority of the Commonwealth, and for the government thereof”

...and that it was expedient that the said Order in Council of 18th of October, 1900, should be revoked and that Norfolk Island should be placed under the authority of the Commonwealth of Australia, was pleased to revoke the said Order in Council of 18th of October, 1900, and to order that Norfolk Island be placed under the authority of the Commonwealth of Australia: AND WHEREAS the said Order in Council was published in the Gazette on 17 June 1914, and took effect from 1 July 1914, being the date of commencement of the Norfolk Island Act 1913:

authority:

a) The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.

b) One that is invested with this power, especially a government or body of government officials: land titles issued by the civil authority.

The London Gazette Edition, Issue 28829/3755

FRIDAY, 8 MAY, 1914.

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 30th day of March, 1914. PRESENT, The KING'S Most Excellent Majesty. Lord President. Viscount Knollys. Lord Colebrooke. Lord Emmott. WHEREAS by the Australian Waste Lands Act, 1855, it was among other things provided that it should be lawful for Her Majesty at any time by Order in Council to separate Norfolk Island from the Colony of Van Diemen's Land, and to make such provision for the government of Norfolk Island as might seem expedient: And whereas by an Order in Council, dated the 24th day of June, 1856, made in pursuance of the said Act, it was ordered and declared that from and after the date of the Proclamation of the Order in New South Wales, Norfolk Island should be separated from the said Colony of Van Diemen's Land. And whereas by an Order in Council, dated the 18th day of October, 1900, Her Majesty Queen Victoria was pleased to order that the affairs of Norfolk Island should thenceforth, and until further order should be made in that behalf by Her Majesty, be administered by the Governor for the time being of the State of New South Wales and itsi Dependencies: And whereas by the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act it is provided that the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia may make laws for the government of any territory placed by the King under the authority of and accepted by the Commonwealth : And whereas the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia has passed an Act (No. 15 of 1913) entitled "An Act to provide for the acceptance of Norfolk Island as a territory under the authority of the Commonwealth, and for the government thereof": And whereas it is expedient that the said Order in Council of 18tlh of October, 1900, should be revoked, and that Norfolk Island should be placed under the authority of the Commonwealth of Australia: Now therefore, His Majesty, by virtue and in exercise of the power in this behalf by the Australian Waste Lands Act, 1855, or otherwise in His Majesty vested, is pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered, as follows: (1) Norfolk Island is hereby placed under the authority of tJie Commonwealth of Australia. (2) The said Order in Council of the 18th day of October, 1900, is hereby revoked, but

without prejudice to anything lawfully done thereunder. (3) This Order shall be published by the •Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia in the Commonwealth of Australia •Gazette, at such time as the Governor-General may think fit, and shall take effect from the date which shall be fixed by Proclamation by the said Governor-General for the commencement of the Act No. 15 of 1913 of the Parliament of the Commonwealth. Almeric FitzRoy.

cf:

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?webType=0&PageDuplicate=n&issueNumber=28829&pageNumber=0&SearchFor=Norfolk%20Island&selMedalType=&selHonourType

Name: Nunna
Email: demcahdo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 11:33:43 AM

Comments

I must say I am somewhat surprised the JSC committee members can remember what was said during their visit here in March of this year. I had the misfortune of spending some time in the gallery, but was absolutely shocked to see most of the members IN PARTICULAR THE CHAIRMAN nodding off. If they weren't sleeping, they were drinking tea and coffee. Why don't you all just butt out and leave us alone. You have stuffed up Aussie and WE WON"T ALLOW YOU TO STUFF UP OUR ISLAND.

Name: D'mine
Email: HOGGSUX.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 05:53:26 AM

Comments

The World Today - Thursday, 4 December , 2003 12:34:55 Reporter: Ben Knight

TONY EASTLEY: A report tabled in Parliament yesterday says there's an atmosphere of 'fear and intimidation' on Norfolk Island and says it's now time for the Australian Government to step in. The island, 1,600 kilometres east of Sydney, has had its own government since 1979.

But the Australian Parliament's External Territories Committee says there's evidence of intimidation against those who question the conduct of public affairs on the island, from the monitoring of email and telephone calls, to arson and physical assault.

Its report says the island is running out of money, and has no way of raising enough to support itself, and has made 32 recommendations to reform the island's system of government.

Senator John Hogg is a member of the committee. He's been speaking to our reporter, Ben Knight.

JOHN HOGG: There are a number of people out there who are living in la la land to say the least. They think they're not part of Australia, they're trying to treat the mainlanders quite different from them, they're trying to treat themselves quite differently and of course, the people on that island are citizens of Australia and deserve to be better treated than what they are.

BEN KNIGHT: What's wrong with the treatment they're getting at the moment?

JOHN HOGG: I mean if you read the report you will find that administratively there are a lot of defects and a lot of things wanting in terms of basic legislative procedures, basic transparency and basic accountability of government for the citizens of Norfolk Island.

The people are in need of intervention by the Commonwealth Government. They don't have the capacity on the island through the Government to bring about basic reforms such as a code of conduct for the members of the legislative assembly, registers of interest and non pecuniary interests for the members of the assembly, anti corruption laws.

There's no true financial and performance audits done on the island, there's no freedom of information, there's no real access to privacy laws, there's no real administrative tribunal and there's no whistleblower legislation .

There's no oversight done by an independent committee such as we have in the Federal Parliament, like the joint committee of public accounts and audit and there's no independent auditor other than in the recent days they've picked up the Queensland auditor just for financial audits.

Need we say more? They are in a mess and it's about time that they owned up to it.

BEN KNIGHT: But has that actually been causing problems on the island?

JOHN HOGG: The atmosphere of fear and intimidation that exists on that island is just second to none, and as a matter of fact when I first visited the island, one doesn't have to be Einstein to work out that there is a real atmosphere of fear and intimidation, that the people, if they speak their voice, if they speak their mind, they are subject quite nuanced threats, in some cases violence, in some cases they find their houses being burnt down. I mean, this is part of the silent terror in the place.

I'm not blaming those who are in the Government for it, but undoubtedly the people there are not living the free life that many Australians are entitled to live, and they should have that right.

BEN KNIGHT: Is it up to Norfolk Island Government or the Australian Government to make the changes that you're recommending?

JOHN HOGG: Nothing is up to them because when they have been faced with the challenges before, they've been found wanting, they've been found lacking. They don't have the will, they don't have the spirit and they don't have the capacity.

They don't have the physical capacity to bring about the legislative changes that are necessary to bring them into the 21st century. That is clear, that is something that is without doubt if one reads the report closely.

TONY EASTLEY: Queensland Labor senator, John Hogg, a member on the joint committee on external territories, speaking with Ben Knight.

Name: A caring Islander
Email: pissorfJSC.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 05:48:50 AM

Comments

Hear hear Normatta enn Islander Abroad. Like I tull - nether MUTINY might be the answer. ALL OF THEM should be set adrift in a longboat.

Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 05 December 2003
Time: 01:25:26 AM

Comments

Well what a load of tripe Mr Lightfoot, how can you have any credibility when your report is so slanted towards Australians, who account for only one third of our population? It is quite unbelievable that such a report can be tabled without even mentioning let alone considering the needs of our own unique people, culture and history. Consequentially no provisions for the future preservation of "ouwas sullun" have been offered, quite the contrary, more control and power to be devolved from the island to Canberra. Wish away your greedy Aussie bureaucrats!!! Norfolk Islanders lets do as he suggested in his preamble and toss it in the bin!

Name: Oliver Holland
Email: juddtoone@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 04 December 2003
Time: 06:39:58 PM

Comments

This message is extremely important: I’m a thirty-one year old Male planning to relocate to Norfolk Island- i need a honest and blunt account of the situation on the island * How friendly are the people * Whats the Job situation * What are the problems on the island * What else should i know? Please offer me the realisms of Norfolk Isalnd no matter how good or bad

Kind Regards Oliver

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 04 December 2003
Time: 03:36:27 PM

Comments

OUTRAGEOUS ILLITERACY EMANATING FROM CANBERRA

If Senator Lightfoot intends to impress us with his command of the pre-eminent language of high-brow culture throughout Western Christendom - right up to the culmination of the 17th century - he should at least get the quote RIGHT ...Juvenal actually said:

"*_Sed_* Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?"

(Juvenal, Satires, VI.347-8)

cf: http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/NorfolkGov/report/frontpages.pdf

Name: JSC Report
Email: not_here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 December 2003
Time: 02:16:46 PM

Comments

Get ready to pay TAX, and For Aussie to TAKE OVER.....

Their coming.......

Name: A Caring Islander
Email: poqjsc.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 December 2003
Time: 01:08:52 PM

Comments

Yorlye ell check out the JSC report at http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/NorfolkGov/report.htm We'll be here a longer time after plenty dem. Who d' hell dem thought dem ess. They have buggered up Aussie, so now they will try and bugger up Norfolk. Time fer nether mutiny nort??????? We ell put Lightfoot en his crew orn one shep. I think would suit dem!!! (lol)

Name: NiNET WEBMASTER - Norfolk's No.1 Internet Service Provider
Email: Webmaster_At_Ninet
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 December 2003
Time: 11:45:43 AM

Comments

THE "JOINT STANDING COMMITTEE REPORT" IS NOW AVAILABLE @ NINET

Click Here For the link to the Report http://www.ni.net.nf

Name: Dianne
Email: diannelysaght@hotmail.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 02 December 2003
Time: 05:15:27 PM

Comments

Hi, Can someone please send me the email or address of the local school at Norfolk Island. Many Thanks Dianne.

Name: The Future of Norfolk Island
Email: yorlyegutnuthenbatterfedo@carefree.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 02 December 2003
Time: 02:13:00 PM

Comments

In reply to "Concerned Resident", your sitting there saying dont throw names around, but yet you sit there and name every person you are talking about. Maybe, if you are so worried about Norfolk's future, you help do something about it. Because sure as hell the cops are going to do BUGGER ALL!! Last night I had my car stolan from Garrison Restaurant, someone took it for a joy ride, and left it at the youth center. I went straight to the police and told them that someone borrowed my car and hasn't returned it, he looked at me and said: "Do I look like a car hire company"? Yeah that is a real proof that they are out to help us. And for your information "Concerned Descendant" there are good kids out there. The ones that bugger it up, bugger it up for all of us. So you know the future of Norfolk isn't in that badder hands. Maybe you should take a look around and notice the ones that are un-noticable, becuaes I tell you what, your generation were probably refered to as "Bad future for the Island". You can say it as much as you want, but in reality we are your future wether you like it or not. Maybe you and others can finally grow some balls and help change what we are becoming. THINK ABOUT IT.

Name: Alana Foster
Email: alanaron@webone.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 02 December 2003
Time: 01:18:59 PM

Comments

I'm interested in booking a holiday to Norfolk Island but am finding it difficult to access most of the your accommodation sites. This makes it difficult for me to make a decision about where to stay and I can't then make a direct booking from my home internet.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PavlaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 02 December 2003
Time: 12:33:28 PM

Comments

Cheers Rob, not having a go or anything - NIDS is doing a great job with this site ...but I can't help but note that the data loss appears to coincide(?) with the switch from 216.171.228.19 (ZooLink) to 203.12.249.76 on Dec.1st ...that bunch of Newtown hippies (Neutrino Group)have no web-hosting form whatsoever!! ...& you - of all ISP's on NI - should know the Kiwis do it so much better:) http://nznetsearch.co.nz/directory/index.php?cat=166

May the CyberGod Ulu grant good uptime.

Name: NIDS
Email: Mail
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 02 December 2003
Time: 11:34:40 AM

Comments

Nothing was air-brushed, censored, or big brothered out we just plan lost a server.

Only Ulu is perfect........

Sorry Rob.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PavlaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 01 December 2003
Time: 11:56:48 AM

Comments

For those many Islanders both at home & abroad (as well as the numerous Friends of Norfolk around the world), to whom this Forum is - sadly - the only arena for public debate on issues of vital interest to the Island; you can catch-up on the month or so of posts which appear to have been air-brushed out of the akashic record by pointing your browser to www.google.com & using the search-string "Norfolk Island Forum" ...simply click "Cached" in the first return of the result-set & you'll retrieve most of the missing posts.

Name: Lionel
Email: lionel@kells.net
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 01 December 2003
Time: 03:28:00 AM

Comments

Hey there Norfolkers :)

I was hopin there might be someone on Norfolk who might be able to give me a quick hand translating a short poem into the local island language where possible please :))))

I was really hopin to do it soon, in the next few days if possible - its only 12 lines, so if anyone can help please email me at lionel@kells.net and I will send it to you.

Thanks heaps

Have a lovely island day

Cheers

Lionel

Name: Dianne
Email: diannelysaght@hotmail.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Friday, 28 November 2003
Time: 07:13:36 AM

Comments

Hi there, I have recently visited your lovely Island, Whilst there I walked each morning and saw alot of the Island. Is it possible to have the local schools email/cantact address please. Outside on one of the classroom doors there were two very profound stories relating to life in general, Just wondered if I could get copies? Many Thanks. Dianne.

Name: graham lade
Email: grahamlade@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 27 November 2003
Time: 12:28:35 AM

Comments

Hello, my names Graham and i am currently doing an english major work for my Higher School Certificate on Norfolk Island. Although my area of study is based on the genre of crime fiction I hope to include some of the rich history of the island within my work. So if anyone would be kind enough to send me an email of their perspective of the island or the events of the last two years, it would be much appreciated.

Thankyou

Name: Saly
Email: salssurnames@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 24 November 2003
Time: 08:20:14 PM

Comments

Hi all, I am coming to Norfolk in 2 weeks, my ancestor was Elizabeth BURROWS. Other names are LOVERIDGE,LUSH

Name: Concerned desendant
Email: FORUM
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 24 November 2003
Time: 04:30:05 PM

Comments

In reply to the letter written in the forum Sunday, 23 November 2003, One of the youth, yorlye's email address tull et all.'yorlye gut nuthen batter fedo'. Yorlye carrying on bout dem coppers isn't gonna change nothing, Sure you dont think their doing their jobs but when they do, yorlye blame someone else. For example why make excuses and blame Sam Roberts for something that Kiel a young adult had every right to tull NO!! For all the wrong that Sam influenced on Kiel. Kiel is paying for his actions now after how much warning was offered.Yorlye serious about Sam being ashamed of himself, Where was the support from family that kiel needed they should be ashamed of themselves. Yorlye should take a serious look at the foodies video those who taped it and blame someone with new shoes, less than six foot tall and a little tubby. Cause i el larna 'One of the youth' Shannon Ball es alot taller than six foot and probably has better things to do than break into foodies. Anyway noones saying throw names around es yorlye who's doing a pathetic job at that. Blame someone who actual did it. Cause yorly es a good example of where Norfolk is heading. Can i suggest you grow up and tek a good look at yorlye's own lives before attacking someone else.

Name: David Irving
Email: Arbeit@Macht_Frei
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 24 November 2003
Time: 11:27:45 AM

Comments

NIDS you have an approach to managing the chronicle & content of posts to this Forum, which makes Stalin, the Nazi's, Ku Klux Klan & Atilla the Hun look like bastions of historical rectitude.

Name: Tredding Water
Email: seedawaywesecum@norfolk.nf
Country: Barbados
Date: Monday, 24 November 2003
Time: 10:38:31 AM

Comments

A quick note to the people who see fit to attached names to certain crimes on Norfolk... be careful as if the people you accuse are not involved, you may find yourself in a bit of strife!!

Name: Daniel
Email: oxfordcomma@hotmail.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 09 October 2003
Time: 03:18:28 PM

Comments

Hello. Here's a shout-out from Miami, Florida, USA! Amazing - until today I had never even heard of Norfolk Island or Pitcairn.

Anyhow, I'll be on my way.

Name: jevanbrett
Email: jevanbrett
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 08 October 2003
Time: 08:39:22 PM

Comments

hello agian still surfing the net on norfolk & i must say that the forum makes an interesting read. can some one please email me with the phone numbers for your local radio station. & thanx pat for your reply. jevan

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: dumien
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 08 October 2003
Time: 08:18:51 PM

Comments

That should of course be Hon. David E. Buffett, my apologies ...how about grafting a spell-checker on this client Aden/Rob??

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: dumien
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 08 October 2003
Time: 03:27:09 PM

Comments

RE: 49th Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) Conference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whilst it was great to see that the inaugural session of the two-day CPA Small Countries' Conference was chaired by none other than the Speaker of the Norfolk Island Legislative Assembly, Hon. David E.Buffet; it was also fairly predictable that the venue (Dhaka) would virtually ensure the rapid entropic dissolution of this high-minded talkfest, into an utter shambles. And so it has, as per: http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/10/06/d3100601033.htm Be prepared for David coming home with an acute case of the Chittagong Chits.

It is admirable that David should be evangelizing Norfolk's unique tradition of Participatory/Direct Democracy with Tahitian/Episcopalian characteristics, to Nunavut, the Yukon, Turks & Caicos etc...even the ACT for that matter - however, I really do wonder whether he shouldn't be proselytizing much closer to home.

Surely Norfolk's limited resources available for international diplomacy, would be better invested in championing the creation of a closer regional affiliation of Polynesian States, within for eg. a 'Confederate States of Oceania' framework; which could perhaps eventually lead to a free-trade 'bloc' & associated economies of scale for the Island's entrepreneurs. Norfolk's intuitive understanding of 'Pacific Way' subtleties, could also make it an invaluable intermediary between Australia & it's Polynesian neighbours.

ref. http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/10/06/d3100601044.htm

http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_5334.shtml

http://www.norfolkisland.gov.nf/newgeneration/cpa-2.html

Name: jevan brett
Email: jevanbrett@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 October 2003
Time: 09:00:13 PM

Comments

pss im also looking for a freind that moved to norfolk this year. he is a "chef" that goes by the name of wayne mills, any info at all will bring a smile to my face thanx jevan

Name: jevan brett
Email: jevanbrett@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 October 2003
Time: 08:53:27 PM

Comments

hello ye all i need some info so please help me if you can, me & the girl friend are coming over for a few day in nov,& we cant wait, but before we make any booking we are just surfing the net for nice little places to stay. thanx jevan & donna

Name: Allan
Email: ozzy2git@yahoo.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Sunday, 05 October 2003
Time: 04:20:22 PM

Comments

How was the airport today?. Having been to your delightful island twice I can imagine it would have been an exercise in logistics, especially if one flight was delayed. My wife seems to think there would not be room for three aircraft on the apron outside the terminal building. We will be back at some stage. What has happened to some of your regular contributors?

Name: Ess True
Email: esstrue.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 October 2003
Time: 08:06:54 AM

Comments

Yorlye know wah???? When all is said and done (or should I say,..said and NOT done), the upshot of all of this is called passing the buck or sticking everything in the "too hard basket". Dem all too greedy and worryen boet dem salf fer giwe a D A M N about Norfolk and ucklun. No wonder Aussie wants to take over the reigns. Dae side en dem runnen ett ess d' bass comedy show anybody ell ars for. Nether good example ess d' fact "doen a toen" ess too top heavy enn se full o' dem we nor moosa wunt!! Noe yorlye tekk dar.

Name: esstrue 2
Email: cardofudorgeat@paradise.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 September 2003
Time: 11:13:25 PM

Comments

How true, how true concerned resident and esstrue. The current flight schedules for a Sunday morning - coming into effect this weekend - gwen cause utter chaos at the airport. Norfolk Jet changed their schedule 2 weeks back resulting in the clash, but our Airport authority and ADMIN CEO cant do anything cause we apparently have no laws to stop such a thing. I wonder what Law the assembly used years back when they stoped East West and later Ansett from operating back of the clock services..The then responsible minister took the necessary stance and had the wellbeing of our visitors at heart. Imagine the terminal on Sunday with three full aircraft arriving and trying to depart at their schedule time. Imagine Customs,checkin ques, security processing, trying to understand or hear the announcements - Pray that the terminal wont need to be evacuated - perish the thought. What a lovely welcome & farewell to our visitors - But does the Government and Admin care?? Dem alright, so why should they do anything that wont benefit them...What will it take to make the Authorities do something like introduce slot times, encourange the airlines to discuss their scheduling with them, take a stance and tell the last one to change their schedules that they have to miss out on the parking bay at the terminal. Too easy. Come to the airport on Sunday and see the circus, and feel for the Airline and passengers who pay the Government for the priviledge to use Norfolk's ammenities.

Name: esstrue 2
Email: cardofudorgeat@paradise.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 September 2003
Time: 11:13:16 PM

Comments

Name: Ess True
Email: esstrue.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 September 2003
Time: 08:45:42 AM

Comments

I concur with the comments by concerned resident. But again, and typical, nothing will be done unless something terrible happens. Sadly, this is fact, and will again be another example of "Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted". We need people with dem thing called B...S and are not afraid to delegate.

Name: Concerned Resident
Email: herewegoagin@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 September 2003
Time: 05:50:29 AM

Comments

Do you know that from Sunday 5th October Norfolk Jet, Air New Zealand and Allinace Airlines will be arriving within 5 minutes of each other! Chances are they will be on the ground at the same time as each other!

I feel for Alliance Airlines, as they are the only Airline that hasn't changed their flight times and are possibly the ones going to feel the brunt of these time changes, as they will be in as per their usual time of 1015am.

The flight times will be Air New Zealand 10.00am, Norfolk Jet 10.05am and Alliance 10.15am.

The Customs arrival hall can barely keep up with 124 people let alone 224 (2 aircraft) How are they going to cope with approx 300 people?(3 Aircraft)

The departures que will be much the same -If you are travelling in the next three or more weekends expect some great delays!

What a great greeting and farewell for arriving visitors and departing passengers.

Come on Yorlye speak up for Norfolk and make the Government allocate slot times like the rest of the world. Our little Airport and white elephant of a terminal can not safely handle 300 pax arriving and 300 pax departing. If you don't beleive me come and watch on Sunday!

Name: Lisbeth
Email: withheld
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 26 September 2003
Time: 09:41:46 PM

Comments

Just to let you know I shall check here again in a months time,as my husband and I are driving to Melbourne to visit his Dad. I have learnt a great deal in the past week by reading the forum and like William just didn't realize the problems that Norfolk has. I really hope that it can all be sorted out to everyones satisfaction but I wouldn't hang by the neck waiting!! I would really love to visit Norfolk as I have heard so many say how beautiful and peaceful it is. Had a friend who has travelled the world and when asked where he would most like to visit again - his answer was Norfolk Is. That would have to be the ultimate compliment. Take care everyone, Lisbeth

Name: WANT TO SEE MT PITT
Email: MTPIT@NEEDTOGETHERE.AU
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 September 2003
Time: 01:55:40 PM

Comments

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO OPEN UP MOUNT PITT. ITS A DISGRACE TO NORFOLK ISLAND WHAT A BOTCHED UP PROJECT THIS HAS BEEN.

GET SOME ***** ABOUT YOU NI GOVERNMENT AND DO SOMETHING

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: dumien
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 September 2003
Time: 10:30:31 PM

Comments

Hello Lisbeth, sounds like you may have been raised Russian Orthodox rather than Evangelical Lutheran ...your name has an honourable Byzantium pedigree & is derived, I believe (via the Greek 'Elisabet'), from the aramaic 'Elisheba' (Yaweh is my Oath'), name of the wife of the elder brother of Moses himself.

I take your point re. the tragic 'yanquification' of Oz; it's now no longer so much a client state of Washington, as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Fortune 500 Plutocracy who aim to rule the world in the manner of One Market Under God.

However, this is not the place to open that particular can of worms. (Having said that I can't help but point out that even the KGB never did anything as evil as this):

http://www.zpub.com/notes/terror-camp.html

William, one of my favourite authors, James Baldwin, once observed: "People are trapped in history and history is trapped in them."

The Island is as much a part of this dilemma as anywhere else; the issues you are canvassing are imbued with great sensitivity in a community like Norfolk's ...you may not receive an overwhelming response to your inquiries.

Many of your questions should be answered in:

'AN UNEASY RELATIONSHIP: NORFOLK ISLAND AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA' by Emeritus Professor Maev O'Collins of the ANU.

(ISBN:1740760212, PANDANUS, February 2003, 180pp, PB , 220x142mm Availability: Plenty Price: A$34.95)

"The struggle of one Norfolk Islander, Charles Chase Robinson Nobbs, against Australian administrative authority, as Norfolk Islanders try to maintain their socio-political identity in the South Pacific."

http://rspas.anu.edu.au/qb/articles/articleFile.php?searchterm=3-2-4

The relevant Orders in Council - as published in the London Gazette - are of course the definitive primary source, as far as the 'truth' of the matter is concerned.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: Orn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 September 2003
Time: 09:42:26 PM

Comments

Hello Lisbeth, sounds like you may have been raised Russian Orthodox rather than Evangelical Lutheran ...your name has an honourable Byzantium pedigree & is derived (via the Greek 'Elisabet') I believe, from the aramaic 'Elisheba' (Yaweh is my Oath'), wife of the elder brother of Moses himself.

I take your point re. the tragic 'yanquification' of Oz; it's no longer so much a client state of Washington, as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Fortune 500 Plutocracy who aim to rule the world.

However, this is not the place to open that particular can of worms. (Having said that I can't help but point out that even the KGB never did anything as evil as this):

http://www.zpub.com/notes/terror-camp.html

AN UNEASY RELATIONSHIP: NORFOLK ISLAND AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA MAEV OCOLLINS 1740760212, PANDANUS, February 2003, 180pp, PB , 220x142mm Availability: Plenty Price: $34.95 Booksellers Discount Code: Frontlist

"The struggle of one Norfolk Islander, Charles Chase Robinson Nobbs, against Australian administrative authority, as Norfolk islanders try to maintain their socio-politic identity in the South Pacific."

http://rspas.anu.edu.au/qb/articles/articleFile.php?searchterm=3-2-4

Name: William Casey
Email: williamc@tgis.co.uk
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Tuesday, 23 September 2003
Time: 06:51:08 AM

Comments

Hi again all, or Wutawieh (although I'm not sure on the pronunciation),

Apologies if I've started something here, but I was intrigued by the situation and, I suppose, at the end of the day it was my own nation that started it all and I, very much like The Queen herself, would really like to see a dispute-free British Commonwealth.

Anyway, I have no axe to grind on the issue in any direction! I am just trying to understand it for my own enlightenment. I have now read all the references that have been suggested and am still unclear but have tried to apply some unbiased objectivity.

What I have read so far (which has been hours and hours of reading!) suggests that the situation is basically not clarified and I believe that somehow it needs to be. There are facts from 1856 which cannot be ignored but equally it is impossible to try and apply modern standards to things that happened long ago in history. It was pefectly acceptable to "colonise" then but now it is not (and quite right too).

In the research I have done about NI, I can see the ghosts of many parallels in our (UK) history, many of which remain unresolved to this day but some were originally caused hundreds of years ago and I personally feel that we should be making an effort to help to resolve such things to put them to rest.

I can see both "sides" (awful word) of the NI issue but at the end of the day feel that "self-determination" must be the logical route. I don't really know what the majority of Islanders feel, which is where my knowledge is severely lacking now.

Can anyone help me in that? It would help me to clarify things a great deal if someone can?

Regards,

"Willyum" (I could get used to that spelling <g>)

Name: Lisbeth
Email: whatever
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 September 2003
Time: 05:52:40 PM

Comments

Hello Islander Abroad Apology accepted. My name given by my parents was originally Elisavetta the Russian form of Lisbeth, but since residing here, decided the English form would be more appropriate. Like William, I shall be very interested in the future "politics" of Australia and Norfolk Island. Australia is becoming more Americanised every day much to some peoples dismay. It also reminds my Dad in some ways of the Russia he once knew. Regards Lisbeth

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 September 2003
Time: 03:57:38 PM

Comments

Although still reeling in a state of shock & dismay at the previous entry, I shall compose myself sufficiently to apologise unreservedly to 'Lisbeth' ...I assumed you were either a DOTARS spook or a north-shore memsahib of the Young-Lib. variety.

Lisbeth is actually a lovely name; & one which our people would once have approved of as being "well bathed in the Blood of the Lamb".

As for: "...our own peoples claim to being Australians"; I have to say that this is phrase that I would once, never have believed plausible.

But, as Carlarn is far closer to sentiment on the ground than I am, I can but accept, that there must have been a fundamental seachange in worldview on Norfolk from the days of my generation ...d'oonni thing ai ell tull - ess noe wundah ouwas oel sullun doewn'a toewn tunnen faasa in'ems graev.

Name: carlarn
Email: car@larn.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 September 2003
Time: 02:51:58 AM

Comments

Unfortunately the bloodless genocide article is more than simply an interesting read. Its a concise synopsis of where we are right now. We needn't be concerned about Australia's claim on us. As it is being legitimised in the only way that matters, i.e. our own peoples claim to being Australians.

Name: Lisbeth
Email: whatever
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 21 September 2003
Time: 11:37:53 PM

Comments

Hello William, First of all, my apologies to Islander Abroad for the name Lisbeth being "Tory", actually I am part Danish, part Russian. However, for some more interesting reading, I have found " A Political History of the Pitcairn People in Norfolk Island from 1856 to 1996" very interesting reading at http://www.pitcairners.org/bloodless_genocide2.html. As they say, there are two sides to each story. At present, the Liberal and Labour Parties in Australia has more pressing issues on their mind by keeping Pauline Hanson in jail so that she will not affect the outcome of the future elections.

Name: Lisbeth
Email: whatever
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 21 September 2003
Time: 11:36:14 PM

Comments

Hello William, First of all, my apologies to Islander Abroad for the name Lisbeth being "Tory", actually I am part Danish, part Russian. However, for some more interesting reading, I have found " A Political History of the Pitcairn People in Norfold Island from 1856 to 1996" very interesting reading at http://www.pitcairners.org/bloodless_genocide2.html. As they say, there are two sides to each story. At present, the Liberal and Labour Parties in Australia has more pressing issues on their mind by keeping Pauline Hanson in jail so that she will not affect the outcome of the future elections.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 21 September 2003
Time: 05:33:55 PM

Comments

Wutawieh egayn Willyum - ai hoep yu cushu oer yenna in Cornwall ...whilst 'Lisbeth' (what a wonderfully Tory name!) has helpfully directed you to Canberra's official 'correct-line' on *_ownership_* of Norfolk; she, unhelpfully, omits to mention that the orthodox DOTARS screed is based on a highly selective - some would say mendacious - reading of relevant history.

It would also be wise to bear in mind, that right up until recent date, *_Canberra's claim to Australia itself_*, was built on a somewhat tawdry legal fiction ...to wit, that Australia was "terra nullius" at the time of European settlement.

Compare this claim with the awful TRUTH:

http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/pathways/

This obviously mendacious doctrine of 'terra nullius', was again endorsed by the New South Wales Supreme Court as late as 1847, (Attorney-General v Brown); and again confirmed by the Privy Council as late as 1889 in Cooper v Stuart.

Perhaps these finding were a product of the "no wurries mate" school of aussie constitutional law?

Maybe 'Lisbeth' can enlighten us on this point??

The REALITY is that many eminent experts in constitutional law, ranging from the then Secretary of the Commonwealth Attorney-General's Department - Sir Robert Garran - in 1905, to the Whewell Professor of International Law at the University of Cambridge - James Crawford - in 1999, have expressed the view that Norfolk Island is NOT an integral part of the Commonwealth of Australia.

In fact, no less a body that the United Nations Association of Australia, has described claims to 'ownership' of Norfolk, made by certain Australian politicians as "patently ludicrous".

When our Pitcairner ancestors were persuaded to re-settle on Norfolk, there is little doubt amongst competent Historians, that they were told that the Island was a 'gift' to them from Queen Victoria.

I rest my case.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- reference:

Quantity: 1 bundle

Location: Western Sydney Records Centre

*_Of special note is a petition dated 6 October 1902 signed by 82 male inhabitants requesting to remain a Crown Colony._*

ref: CGS 4517, [12/2064.1 part]

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/publications/federation/page09-1.htm

Name: lisbeth
Email: withheld
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 21 September 2003
Time: 01:26:33 PM

Comments

Hello William

You might like to go to http://www.dotrs.gov.au/terr/norfolk/government.htm for more information regarding Norfolk Island and Australia. Cheers from Lisbeth

Name: William Casey
Email: williamc@tgis.co.uk
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Sunday, 21 September 2003
Time: 04:23:48 AM

Comments

Many thanks for your response, "Islander abroad". You're right I'm not a journalist, I am just a Brit who takes an interest in our heritage and past and finds the story of Norfolk Island fascinating yet in need of a solution.

I've now read many extracts from the documents that you mention but since I utterly detest going to the dreaded London, it is unlikely that I will read the entire texts soon. It does however seem perfectly clear to me that Queen Victoria "gave" NI to the settlers and the 1856 wording of "distinct and separate" does indeed very clearly say that it is not Australian, although still a self-governing British Crown Colony.

Since that appears to have been the last clear definition of your status then there can only be a limited number of logical conclusions. Firstly that Australia does not own NI, secondly that if anyone does it's either the UK or the Islanders themselves. More importantly, it basically says that Australia has no real rights to exercise any "colonial" power at all, and certainly not claim NI as it's own!

Most democracies support the policies of self-determination and have supported this with a few military escapades in recent years (including Oz in Iraq), so why is this policy not being applied to yourselves when there is clearly a case for independence whilst still needing an appropriate relationship with Australia? Surely the only logical route is a referendum on the issue?

I'd also like to know where "we" (Britainland) stand on the issue. I think I might write to the Foreign & Commonwealth Office and ask the question. Since I am a UK citizen, they have to reply to me so it might be interesting!

Best regards

"Willyum"

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 September 2003
Time: 03:13:45 PM

Comments

Wutawieh Willyum, good to see some intelligent offshore interest in our little nook of the Anglosphere for a change ...you're obviously not a 'journalist'.

The ideal remedy for your 'confusion', would be to make your way down to the House of Lords Library at Westminster and consult personally the following portfolio of documents:

"CORRESPONDENCE

on the subject of

REMOVAL OF THE INHABITANTS OF PITCAIRN'S ISLAND

NORFOLK ISLAND"

(Presented to both Houses of Parliament by Command of Her Majesty on the 5th day of February 1875.)

Documentation which - I have no doubt - Canberra bureaucrats would rather see shredded.

Name: William Casey
Email: williamc@tgis.co.uk
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Saturday, 20 September 2003
Time: 10:46:39 AM

Comments

Hello all,

I am a confused Brit. I have recently been taking an interest in NI and have been reading this forum (and elsewhere) because I am probably in the 1% of Britons who even know of your existence and am now only just learning about some of the issues that you have with your island's status and your relationship with Australia, the British Commonwealth and beyond.

I have so many questions! My impression from what I have read is that the true islanders, Pitcairners (or Pitkerners?) do not much care for the Australian 'influence' (deliberate understatement) and that it does not seem to be constitutional because, I think, you are still technically a British Crown Colony and therefore not a true possession of Australia? I also see that perhaps a majority (?) of you would prefer independence. If that is the case then I feel that "we", Great Britain, have let you down by taking no apparent interest.

So, I would very much appreciate e-mailing with someone who can explain the situation better than I can find from the internet alone and perhaps answer my questions. The e-mail address above is my genuine one (which I realise is a risky thing to do) and if anyone would like to discuss this, then I would welcome it.

By the way, in a few days of reading your forum I have picked up a fair bit of your language since by reading it 'using' a true (and current) SW England accent I can actually understand about 75% without too much trouble, but a reply in english would be preferable!

Dars et

Best regards

William

Name: bugs
Email: None
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 September 2003
Time: 10:11:10 AM

Comments

Re: Comments from Dunno & Adon

Anyone who wants to know more about these "restrictive" government practices is free to call me to get a slightly different view.

No doubt with both views you can make your own informed opinion.

cheers bugs 22001

Name: Dunno
Email: notellin@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 September 2003
Time: 04:32:49 PM

Comments

Thanks for that Adon. I wasnt aware it was so restricted by the government

Name: Adon
Email: None
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 16 September 2003
Time: 04:49:34 PM

Comments

Re dunno's question on the internet prices.

You are so right to wonder about the charging of the internet on the Island. However NIDS does offer the internet at cheaper prices than the only other ISP provider Telecom.

We ARE able to have CHEAPER and FASTER internet speeds off the island. But due to the restrictions set by our Government, this is not possible.

The current arrangement sees NIDS having to share a Government controlled, shared line off the island. So your charges from NIDS are also handled in the same manner.

NIDS has over the years endevoured to bring to it's customers the internet at reasonable prices and speeds that are available within Government restrictions.

I hope in some way this helps answer your question. I like you would rather see prices come down and internet speeds go up for the benefit of both business and private users alike.

Name: Dunno
Email: notellin@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 16 September 2003
Time: 12:24:01 AM

Comments

hey look yourlye, ur going on about us young sullen, when most, not all, most of the time the crimes are committed by people who should be now called adults, that is over the age of 18, or there enough. Kyle and Sam im sure are at least over that age, and my understanding is that a fair % of crimes are comitted by people there age. As a young islander this slander is not right, its not us young sullen, its people that are now by the law responsible for themselves and there actions. On another note though, what is the deal with the internet prices over here. Anywhere else and your company wouldnt survive with the prices charged, hopefully with the introduction of wireless prices will drop, why not introduce plans or something, i know that if we want to use the internet we will pay but come on, lets try and help people, theres got to be someway to still make money while providing cheaper prices. The interenet is slow enough anyway.......

Name: Cah Larn
Email: norgutt.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 15 September 2003
Time: 07:07:09 PM

Comments

Concerned Islander - I agree wholeheartedly and I did make a comment about that disgusting low act by these two so called grown up men in my previous submission. It is very true to say it isn't only the youth who are making a joke out of the island and its community. Some o dem ess disgrace to this society enn I ell caerk fer shame fer dem!

Name: Concerned Islander
Email: againsttheadultnlk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 15 September 2003
Time: 03:14:01 PM

Comments

Why does eveyone blame our you people. WHAT ABOUT THE RATTY AND THE FISHERMAN ? Are they aloud to rip of the house in Longridge and nobody ridicule them.

SHAME ON YOU RATTY AND FRIENDLY !!

Name: Security Watch
Email: keepaeyeoppen@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 14 September 2003
Time: 08:34:52 PM

Comments

Maybe it is time to introduce "Neighborhood Watch" to our beautiful island. It is a sad day for this little gem, but when you read the local paper or listen to island beat on Thursday's on radio, it is the time to face reality and stand up for our rights. Things will get worse before they get better, so maybe we need to make some drastic changes as quite obviously those in the wrong seem to get off scott free with their stupidity. Sorry fer ucklun enn Norfolk cos we getten simmess d' mainland.

Name: Cah Larn
Email: norgutt.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 14 September 2003
Time: 02:13:02 PM

Comments

I nor thought - you quite right. I nawwa mean all uwwus lettle sullun, but sadly, quite a few ess uwwus, but yoo right when yoo tull ess demm one se come back, ulla dem one yu with dems parents. Sam Roberts enn Kyle May ent from yu, enn both bin in nuff trubble over d' years fer se groe up by noe. Demm two ess bared news enn dems parents should shame furrett. Fancy at dems age, tekken dems car driwe crorse emily bay. Sullun ell tull giwe dem a go, but how much charnce dem wunt.Se time fe senn dem back side dem come from enn plenty more lornga dem as wal. Sullun yu se sick o dem young idiutts wi gutt yu, wether ess uwwus ulla nort.

Name: i nor thought
Email: domine
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 13 September 2003
Time: 06:24:36 AM

Comments

Waal car lahn - awas lettle sullun nor dar baed. Sure we gut the few wild ones - ones you call idiots - Hoons ulla nort - moose all dem yar carryen orn way dem es, ess sullun bin lew orf Norfolk en se come baek,or nawa bin lew orn Norfolk but se come yar lew or mowe baek lorng a dems parents. En, mind you, nort all es lettle sullun - or youth - or ucklan. No body, orta blame a parents ulla other sulluns lettle sullun - too easy way yuse own ell up kaek orn you - domine how goode you thought you doen fu dem. By the way, you bin watch channel 7 lately, the problems dem hawen in Queensland with dem "hoons" - we nor dar unique..

Name: Cah Larn Either
Email: carwaa.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 12 September 2003
Time: 07:22:23 PM

Comments

I agree with all that is said in the previous submission, but let's be fair and honest - it isn't the youth only. Some of the older kids out there are pretty low in their activities as well. Let's not blame the youth for breaking into the house at Longridge and stealing almost everything out of it. These guys are well and truly past their childhood days (or are they??). Dem ess disgrace to the community and should be ashamed for their disgusting act. Nothing is safe and let's be honest, the family of one in particular has had enough to contend with the last 2 months without adding to it. Pretty dam low if you ask me. Norfolk definitely getten wussa, enn ess uwwus own who doen ett. Wake up enn grow up yorlie, and face the real world ie get a life and get on with it, yorlie se moosa hundred enn still ess disgrace.

Name: Cah Larn
Email: norgutt.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 12 September 2003
Time: 12:51:16 PM

Comments

It is so sad the youth of this island are so out of touch with the real world. One has to blame the parents for the way in which some of the idiotic kids of this island behave, yet when something awful happens, everyone is expected to fee sorry for them. Laying awake in the early hours of the morning listening to the hoons in their starlets, celica's etc just driving around screeching tyres and just outright being pathetic, makes me realise that there are some kids here that really should get off this rock and face the real world - but sadly, it will never happen because they are unable to handle life. So sad, but it is us oldies who have to put up with the shame. Thank goodness we had a good upbringing and our kids have never caused us any dismay. Yes we all have been young, but we weren't outright wreckless and we did know when to go home. Yorlie oughta shame.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidg
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 10 September 2003
Time: 04:55:29 AM

Comments

NEWS RELEASE:

"British Foreign Office Minister's rhetoric signals UK government plans to end habitation of Pitcairn says academic."

cf: http://library.puc.edu/pitcairn/news/releases/news31--08-20-03.shtml

The meticulous constitutional groundwork (cf. http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2002/20022638.htm ) laid down by the British authorities, in conjunction with much similar evidence over the last few years, leave little doubt, that - whatever the alleged transgressions may have been of a few Pitcairner males - the REAL purpose of the current prosecutions on the Island is to SHUT IT DOWN, so that it is, inter alia, no longer a 'burden' on the British Exchequer.

Which raises the question of what will happen to the Island once all current inhabitants have been forced to leave?

As far as I'm concerned the ambiguity long surrounding the legitimate constitutional status of Pitcairn Island, is such that the Norfolk Island Government is surely entitled to - at least - lay claim to the Island as a sovereign possession & heirloom of the Pitkerner Nation.

Here's what we know for certain:

1) Our ancestral matriarchs knew of 'Pitcairn' as Mata-ki-te-rangi/Heragi & their Tahitian/Tuamotan/Mangarevan kin had colonized the Island many centuries before it's so-called 'discovery' (& egregious mischarting) by Carteret on 2nd July of 1767.

2) As part of their revolutionary defence against the brutal tyranny & injustice of Europe's 'ancien regime' (embodied in the persona of Bligh), Lieutenant Christian & then Jack Adams effectively established sovereign possession of the Island for the Bounty Mutineers & their Tahitian consorts (& therefore their Descendants) via three legitimate modes of acquisition of territory under international law: 'Discovery'; 'Prior Occupation'; & (under Adams) 'Prescription'.

'DISCOVERY' is related to the more modern concept of PRIOR OCCUPATION, whereby territory that is terra nullius ("land without owners") is occupied and claimed. For territory to be gained through occupation, the territory must be terra nullius at the time of the initial occupation.

Unlike Australia, Pitcairn certainly was 'terra nullius' on 23 January 1790 when our ancestors sealed their claim to sovereign possession of the Island by the ritual burning of HMAV Bounty ...& all that it represented in terms of pre-revolutionary Europe's fin de siècle tyranny & injustice.

PRESCRIPTION is the manner of acquiring property by a long, honest, and uninterrupted possession or use during the time required by law. The possession must have been "possessio longa, continua, et pacifica, nec sit ligitima interruptio" (long, continued, peaceable, and without lawful interruption)

History faithfully records that our peoples settlement of Pitcairn was certainly - if anything - exactly that.

3) Captain Elliot specifically DID NOT annex Pitcairn for the British Crown on 30 November 1838 - nor did he have the authority to so do.

4) Lord Stanley the then British Secretary of State, informed the British Church Missionary Society (founded 1799)in 1842 categorically, that Pitcairn Island was "...NOT a Colonial Possession".

And if anyone should know, it would be him:

cf. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Geoffrey_Smith_Stanley,_14th_Earl_of_Derby

5) The Rev. Prebendary Thomas Boyles Murray (Head of The Society for the Propagation of Christian Knowledge) wrote of Pitcairn with similar certitude in 1853 that "...although NOT a Colony, it is entirely English"

6) In response to repeated requests from the Pitcairners for clarification of their constitutional status, Captain B. Toup Nocholas, British Consul in Raiatea, as late as 6 October 1854, had this to say:

"...the manner in which England has always responded to the Pitcairn Islanders when she has been claimed - and claimed justly - by them as their Fatherland, is the best proof that no doubt has ever existed as to the sovereignty of your Island and will I trust be accepted by you as a sufficient answer."

Nice sentiment, but no cigar.

7) Late in 1858 the returning Pitcairn Islanders arrived home just in time to intercept the French - who were well aware that the Island was not a British Colony - from annexing their homeland.

8) The intent of the British Settlements Act 1887 (Imp) - which is usually cited as the enabling legislation, in terms of Britain's assumed authority over Pitcairn - was simply to empower the Crown to make laws and establish courts not only for possessions acquired by cession or conquest and which lacked a legislature, but also for possessions which had been settled and which lacked a legislature.

In other words it was by no means intended as an instrument of 'annexation' vis-a-vis Pitcairn Island.

9) For the reasons outlined in points 1 to 7 above I do not believe that Pitcairn Island was in any sense a legitimate British "possession"; therefore I believe that the British Settlements Act 1887 DOES NOT IN FACT APPLY to Pitcairn Island.

10) Furthermore, the Act's preamble states that:

"Whereas divers of Her Majesty's subjects have resorted to and settled in, and may hereafter resort to and settle in, divers places where there is no civilised government, and such settlements have or may hereafter become possessions of her Majesty, and it is expedient to extend the power of Her Majesty to provide for the government of such settlements..."

In 1887 Pitcairn Island was hardly devoid of a 'civilised government', for exactly such, was provided for by the 'Codex Pitcairnensis' as early as 30 November 1838.

The Pitkern Nation's first Constitution in 1838 provided for et.al:

1) Democratic elections on 1 January each year to appoint a Magistrate - the chief authority on the Island. The Magistrate to be assisted by a Council of two other Islanders - one elected, the other appointed by the Magistrate.

2) Democratic elections by a simple majority vote of all Islanders, both male and female, who had attained the aged of 18 years.

3) Equal voting rights were given to women at least 10 years ahead of any other quasi-British constitution.

4) Education was compulsory for all children - again, well ahead of any other quasi-British dispensation.

Hardly evidential support for lack of a 'civilized government'.

It is furthermore stated in section 6 of that Act, that the expression "British possession" means any part of Her Majesty's possessions out of the United Kingdom, and the expression "British settlement" means any British possession which has not been acquired by cession or conquest, and is not for the time being within the jurisdiction of the Legislature, constituted otherwise than by virtue of this Act ..., of any British possession.

Again, as demonstrated above, Pitcairn Island has NEVER BEEN a legitimate "possession" of 'Her Majesty'.

In short, I believe it is incumbent on the Norfolk Island Government to act - & ACT NOW - to secure the rightful & legitimate Homeland of the Pitkerner Nation for the benefit of both present & future generations of Pitcairn Descendants, by legislating instruments of annexation of Pitcairn Island to Norfolk Island, at the earliest possible opportunity.

reference:

The Pitcairn (Amendment) Order 2002 - 2p.: 30 cm. - Enabling power: British Settlements Act 1887 & British Settlements Act 1945. - Issued: 04.11.2002. Made: 22.10.2002. Laid: 04.11.2002. Coming into force: 20.11.2002. Effect: S.I. 1970/1434 amended. Territorial extent & classification: E/W/S/NI. General. - ｣1.50 - 0110429052

Name: alicia
Email: withheld
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 08 September 2003
Time: 05:40:02 AM

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Hello Domine

Thank you so much for all the trouble you have taken to find the recipe pineapple relish for me. Will check this site constantly to see if you have had any luck in other areas. Kindest Regards Alicia

Name: Geir
Email: doing@netcom.no
Country: Norway
Date: Sunday, 07 September 2003
Time: 07:40:40 AM

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Hi Since I plan to combine a week at Norfolk Island with my Australia trip next year, I already know a few things about the island, and I'm very eager to get there! But the reason for writing here is that I also collect stamps from Norfolk. Well, I have all the stamps, but I need covers with stamps from the years 1947 to 1999. Yes, ordinary complete used covers with stamps. If you are interested to sell me such covers, I will be very glad to receive your email with what you have.

Name: domine
Email: domine@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 06 September 2003
Time: 05:31:20 AM

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Alicia, I cannot find the pineapple relish receipe for you I'm sorry. If I find it I will sendn to you via this page. (excuse if this appears more than once, having hassles with sending it..).

Name: DOMINE
Email: norfolk@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 06 September 2003
Time: 05:23:31 AM

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Hello Alicia, Sorry babe, but I cannot help you with the pineapple relish receipe. Have searched all the family old receipe books with no success. Will ask around and if I find it will forward to you via this page.

Cheers

Name: DOMINE
Email: norlarnen@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 06 September 2003
Time: 05:05:17 AM

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Hello Alicia, sorry but I canot help with the Pineapple relish. Have searched my Grandmas receipes but cannot find it, will ask around some of the good Island cooks and if sucessful I will forward to you via here. Cheers.

Name: DOMINE
Email: norlarnen@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 06 September 2003
Time: 05:05:08 AM

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Name: Shake a head
Email: cahwah.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 September 2003
Time: 05:27:46 PM

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My philosophy is give the young uns a go, but I must admit I shook my head when I saw the new kid on the block. I have seen this dude being a real galah around the traps since he’s been back to Norfolk. It is a real shame some of us feel this way but it doesn’t look too crash hot when 99.999% of ucklun know what he is like yet he gets a job doen a toen! Ess true thing – norfolk ess getten wussa.

Name: Can't believe my eyes
Email: esstrue.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 September 2003
Time: 04:40:21 PM

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Well it would appear there is absolutely no need in applying for certain jobs with Admin. Forget the selection criteria, work experience, police history etc etc, all the skills that is required now is to be an absolutely useless members of the public, hoon around and defy the law. These are all the expertise one requires to get a job now. Yep,.. the bigger the criminal and no gooder you are, the more chance you have getting a job driving around the island filling pot holes. Good on you Admin, your hierarchy has done the island proud – yet again!

Name: Alicia
Email: withheld
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 02 September 2003
Time: 06:12:28 AM

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Hello Domine Saw your recipe for Lemon Pie and was hoping you may be able to help me. When we visited Norfolk in the early 1990's, we bought a jar of pineapple relish at the Kingston Markets and it was soooo delicious. I have searched through my Sunshine Club recipe book and also Norfolk Is. Central School Cook Book with no results. Would you know of the recipe for the above relish. We also tried the Lemon Tart while we were visiting Norfolk, and it is also delicious. Will try your recipe for Lemon Pie soon. Hoping to hear from you. Alicia

Name: Des
Email: dbennell@bigpond.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 27 August 2003
Time: 11:24:33 PM

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Just returned to Aussie from a beaut week at the Fosters Pro-am Like to congratulate all islanders for the great time shown to my wife and myself The Pro-am was great success thanks to the organisers, sponsors, players, I enjoyed every minute on the island and hopefully will return again next year for more golf and hopefully a bit of fishing

Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 23 August 2003
Time: 09:26:42 PM

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Es tru Norfolk se chaenge, en ent dem outsidas but ouwas owen sullun. Da wuses part oh wet es dem wun fe ouwas thort cos dem es islenda el do de wey dem like, bin dat wey fe lorng taime noew.

Name: Ashamed Islander
Email: gettenwussa.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 August 2003
Time: 03:50:50 PM

Comments

How sad to hear that some pathetic and ignorant soul broke into an unoccupied home last week and stole almost everything from in the house. Whoever you are, you will be caught up with and when that happens, I hope you are used as an example and get sent off this beautiful island that you and all the other sicko's out there are ruining. Surely someone in the beefsteak road area saw a loaded truck or trucks. Yorlye **** are stuffing up this island and the sooner all you criminals are caught and locked away,..the better. Norfolk getten wussa, enn sullun foolen dem salf by tullen gutt no crime!! What crap - Norfolk almost as bad as Aussie, USA etc etc. Sorry fer ucklun.

Name: Bill
Email: bill@billkoplitz.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 14 August 2003
Time: 01:38:30 PM

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I just returned from my first visit to Norfolk Island and I had a great time. Thank you all for your hospitality.

Name: caring missus
Email: magical_opals@yahoo.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 12 August 2003
Time: 04:22:32 PM

Comments

Thank you very much for the recipe....Hubby will be pleased!!!!

Name: Pot Hole
Email: potholegalore@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 August 2003
Time: 09:43:10 PM

Comments

If anyone out there is looking at buying a swimming pool for summer, just drive around some of our roads, especially JE & Red Rd and you can select your choice of pool size by acquiring one or some of the potholes. The roads are a disgrace and maybe if we refused to pay vehicle registration the rods might get some attention. There appears to be half of the island working on the roads, yet the pot holes are still there as large as life. Pity to think Mt Pitt might be more important. Maybe the new CEO might like to drive around and observe the disgusting state of the roads, ulla he se lorse em 2 thing as wal?

Name: domine
Email: domine@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 August 2003
Time: 08:09:55 PM

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Use favorite pastry receipe - packet pastry - or mine is 2cups selfraising flour 1tablespoon butter or margarine 1 egg 1 tablespoon sugar. mix flour and sugar, rub in butter, break in egg and mix in,and moisten with little water. mix to a firm dough and knead.Let sit for a few minutes before rolling out and lining a pie dish. (hint - coat pastry in pie dish with egg white to minimise running under.

Filling - 6eggs, 1cup sugar. Beat on slow - medium speed until well beaten, add 1cup freshly squeezed lemon juice (more pending on taste)and 1 tablespoon melted butter. Beat on slow speed until satisfied well blended. Pour into pie dish and bake in preheated moderate oven until set. Careful not to let it boil.

Good luck. Get your husbands family on NOrfolk to send you the Norfolk Island Cookbook put out by the Sunshine Club. All our favourites are in there.

Good luck with baby.

Name: Caring Missus
Email: magical_opals@yahoo.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Sunday, 10 August 2003
Time: 10:07:29 PM

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Help please!!!!! As im nearing the birth of my first child with a native norfolk islander and our second anniversary is due at same time hes become very homesick and would love to make him a lemon pie he so madly craves for but cannot find recipe anywhere could someone please help.Good old kiwi tucker aint like mums homade lemon pie norfolk style....

Name: Suzie Shuizitsu
Email: rodsux@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 10 August 2003
Time: 09:53:43 PM

Comments

Keep your pathetic and sick comments to yourself and worry about all the crap that happens in your country. At least it is our first murder in 150 years, in Australia, it happens almost every hour, so when you lot have cleaned up your own backyards, then we might appreciate your comments. So rack off and keep off okay moron?

Name: rodney rodreguis
Email: sim_huz@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 10 August 2003
Time: 08:20:45 PM

Comments

I love norfolk island, the trees are alive (most of the time). the people are friendly, if you can understand them. the rubish is never visible, unless you dive of the cliffs. but more importantly the murderer lives in peace - i luv the rod.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@pawalerWalleyRidj
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 August 2003
Time: 02:39:19 AM

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'Nawa gwen larn' ...nort yu warn brud! Dumien eff sullun orn Norfuk nor torken orn yah - gut nuff orn dems plett aes ess.

Lorng ess summa ucklun narwa lorse "ahr paershun fe Norfuk in ar oel waey", we doen gud ...en I ell tull himii gut et baed :) !

Name: Luca
Email: l.baffigo@usl9.toscana.it
Country: Italy
Date: Thursday, 31 July 2003
Time: 10:03:30 AM

Comments

Ciao dall'altra parte del mondo. La vostra, deve essere un'isola bellissima. Qualcuno che conosce l'italiano?

Name: Nawa gwen larn
Email: car@larn.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 July 2003
Time: 05:36:38 AM

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Islander Abroad, brud simes a thing gut couple oh ucklan orn yu orf shor comen en maeken a noise, impotent es we es leas wi gut something gwen orn! Yu meaken too much sense, ei car beliewe ani oh ouwas sullun gwen el agree furret! Gut too many se "cross owa" ulla car see et ulla too drunk/stoned fe do de thing hat fe do et. Wuld be glaed fe si one oh ucklan orn island add something positive to yus comments...

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalerWalleyRidj
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 July 2003
Time: 01:37:16 AM

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RE: "Simeas a thing uwas sullun se lorse en jes car wah, how wi se end up ya, gut uwas own sullun, ... wunt fe sell out to dem ozzies. Si wea wi se cum now yorlie."

...yu se het'a nael orna haid dea brud - the following analysis by the PDS identifies the root cause of our current malaise quite elegantly:

" Before our eyes in the closing stages of the 20th century a bloodless genocide is happening. Although there are many who oppose it, time is a difficult enemy. The "old" Norfolk Islanders are dying out, and the young are being taught by Australian schoolteachers to view themselves as Australians. But they are not Australians in any way besides their citizenship. They are the descendants of a proud and strong people who were given an island homeland by the British Crown 140 years ago."

cf. http://www.pitcairners.org/experiment.html

Perhaps the PDS may care to consider the following speculative suggestion, as to a possible remedy for the curent impasse:

The formation of a 'Norfolk Heritage Party' built upon the following policy platform et al.:

1) grooming candidates for political office within the NI Gov't.(regardless of ethnic background), who have a passion - heart, mind & soul - for Norfolk & continuing it's founding heritage of a Congregational/Arcadian/Communitarian polity, which embodies the real meaning of "Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité"

2) establishing once & for all, by judicial means, that Norfolk Island is still a British Crown Colony vested in perpetuity to the Descendants of the Pitcairn Islanders

3) re-engineering the NI School system around the International Baccalaureate with the objective of moulding skilled Norfolk Island entrepreneurs, rather than docile Australian wage-slaves; the IB requires the study of two languages ...I would suggest that either Tahitian or French would be the obvious second choices

4) formulating an 'industry policy' for Norfolk which gradually weans the economy off it's dependance on tourism

5) developing a Central Provident Fund, along the lines of Singapore's ___________________________________________________________________________________________ ref:

The IBO offers three programmes of international education that span the primary, middle and secondary school years. The Primary Years Programme (PYP) is designed for students aged 3-12, the Middle Years Programme (MYP) for students aged 11-16, and the Diploma Programme (DP) for students aged 16-19. While these programmes form a continuous sequence, each may be offered independently.

http://www.ibo.org/ibo/index.cfm?page=/ibo/programmes&language=EN

http://www.services.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entrystandards/ib.html

A new Act of the UK Parliament, the British Overseas Territories Act 2002, has changed the formal designation of the former colonies and dependent territories to one which has been used in practice for some time. The Act also granted full British Citizenship (with the right of abode in the UK and therefore with full EU freedom of movement rights) to the inhabitants of the territories.

http://www.eurolegal.org/botresources.shtml

Singapore’s Central Provident Fund Scheme An Overview and A Comparison with the U.S. Social Security System

http://www.vandine.com/cpfa.htm

http://www.cpf.gov.sg/cpf_info/home.asp

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" " Such a society, so free, not only from vice, but even from those petty bickerings and jealousies - those minor infirmities which we are accustomed to suppose are ingrained in human nature - can probably not be paralleled elsewhere. It is the realisation of Arcadia, or what we had been accustomed to suppose had existence only in poetic imagination, - the golden age; all living as one family, a commonwealth of brothers and sisters, which, indeed, by ties of relationship they actually are . . . there is neither wealth nor want, a primitive simplicity of life and manner, perfect equality in rank and station, and perfect content."

W.Brodie.Pitcairn's Island. 1851.

Name: Over 20,000,000 ULC ministers worldwide
Email: FREE_online_ordinations
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 July 2003
Time: 09:17:24 PM

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Name: Rev.Dr. Edsondre' Johnsoin D.D.(Unuiversal Life Church)
Email: mmstires
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 30 July 2003
Time: 07:40:19 PM

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Hello, Norfolk Island Folk! I know very little about your land. Though i've studued botany and know the famous NORFOLK ISLAND OPINE is from there! I'am writing a magazine article on the Oceania area. I started with the great ruins in Micronesia, on Ponape Federated Islands of Micronesia, NAN MADOL> You may or not have heard of them? Seraching Micronesiasia ,Polynonesia, for more STONE, ruins, roads, inscriptions. This as the jest of my article is on the possible visitation of micronesia, polynetc. So, far only receieved a rather "Huffy" response from the goverment rep.of the COOK ISLANDS! Let me hear from anyone on any stone or preserved wood statures, stone ruins, roadways etc. There is a contention that the south pacif islands were visted by ancient CELTDS(YES< IRISH< SCOTS ETC!) Fiorst coming from asia(Not so immpossible as it sounds as mummys and villaigres in China have been found neaR gOBI dESERAT AREA OF cHINA OF celts SEVERAL THOIUSAND b.c.!) tHE CELTS MAY HAVE MIGRATED ISLAND HOPPED AS IT WERE FROM eAST(cHINA) TO west(cALIFORNIA!!!!) a FRIEND OF MINE HAVE DISCOVERED(hE IS A SURVIVALIST TEACHER AS i AM SOMETIMES) oN A BOULDER ABOVE pASADENA, CALIFORNIA(of rose parade fame) aN AREA CALLED ALTADENA. aNYWAY, SOME EXPERTS DO AGREE THE OGAM INSCRIPTIONS(LIKE RUNES BUT CELTIC) ARE REAL! SO, THATS HOW MY STORY WILL GO. aGAIN TAKE CARE. IAM IN sOUTHER CALIFORNIA NEAR HOLLYWOOD AND LOS ANGELES. HERES MY SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS TOO! DR. EDSON ANDRE' JOHNSON D.D. 10799 SHERMAN GROVE AVENUE #18, SUNLAND, CA. 91040-2364 U.S.A.

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 25 July 2003
Time: 02:01:52 AM

Comments

Simeas a thing uwas sullun se lorse en jes car wah, how wi se end up ya, gut uwas own sullun, en one oh de bas in Ma ewin wunt fe sell out to dem ozzies. Si wea wi se cum now yorlie.

Name: Security Force
Email: securenorfolkforever.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 July 2003
Time: 04:36:18 PM

Comments

It was very encouraging to hear the Sergeant of Police say on Island Beat today that they will be stepping up patrols whereby they can apprehend the perpetrators who hoon around and do burn outs. We can now look forward to some peaceful nights ahead as well as read about it in the local paper but better yet, seeing the idiots walking around for a change. One would have thought that after the tragedy the island recently experienced the idiots would grow up and see the light. Obviously not. Yes there is young fun and there is outright idiocy, ignorance and no respect. It does make one wonder why when the innocent ones are hurt. Thanks to the boys in blue, the island just might get back on track, and not before the time.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalerWalleyRidj
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 July 2003
Time: 03:04:01 PM

Comments

Pitcairn Magistrate Gray Cameron (Chairman of the New Zealand Law Foundation & Governor of the International Academy of Matrimonial Lawers), seduces the camera with his classic-butch Queens-Bench pose:

http://www.lawfoundation.org.nz/about/pics.htm

...but after a hard day's pounding the gavel, he does so like to slip into something more casual & vampish, which brings out the hussy within:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3513724&thesection=news&thesubsection=general

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 July 2003
Time: 12:44:14 PM

Comments

Simeas a thing uwas sullun se lorse en jes car wah, how wi se end up ya, gut uwas own sullun, en one oh de bas in Ma ewin wunt fe sell out to dem ozzies. Si wea wi se cum now yorlie.

Name: One Islander
Email: timittiescrack.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 July 2003
Time: 09:28:55 AM

Comments

Hear Hear Nor Larnen & Islander Abroad. Yorlye ess gude. Se time fer come hoem en tekk ower dem reigns. Norfolk ell do with a sullun semmes you two.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalerWalleyRidg
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2003
Time: 05:34:12 PM

Comments

Well spotted: IF - as Canberra claims - Norfolk is sovereign Commonwealth territory (WRONG: Norfolk is still technically a British Crown Colony); why does it not also claim that the hallowed principle of horizontal fiscal equalization should apply equally to Norfolk as to anywhere else within it's sovereign domain???

This latest Federal Parliamentary External Territories Committee junket to the Island, appears to be yet another fishing expedition to test the waters re. extending ATO tyranny to include Norfolk ...they should instead be advising the NI Gov't. to send Canberra an annual invoice - EQUIVALENT to the costs of providing a First-world health/social security system - ...for services rendered vis-a-vis 'EEZ Leveraging'.

After all, for over 147 years now, Norfolk has been a source of vast, compounding, imputed/latent revenue for the Commonwealth in terms of the massive extension it provides to Australia's Exclusive Economic Zone, cf:

http://www.ga.gov.au/nmd/mapping//marbound/images/marzones_map.pdf

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2003
Time: 03:59:47 PM

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AM - Thursday, 17 July , 2003 08:18:50 Reporter: Peta Donald LINDA MOTTRAM: The Australian Territory of Norfolk Island could be heading for a show-down with the Federal Government, which is concerned about the poor level of services being provided by the Norfolk Island Government.

It's a government that doesn't collect any income tax and its affairs have come under the scrutiny this week of the visiting Federal Parliamentary External Territories Committee.

Peta Donald reports.

PETA DONALD: Life can be simple on Norfolk Island.

Alice Buffett has spent most of her 72-years there, and explains what it is that people love about the place.

ALICE BUFFETT: The freedom and the peace and the tranquillity of the place. Not the hustle and bustle it can be with a lot of people. It's because the population is small, I think.

PETA DONALD: There's another thing that's attractive to some of the 2,000 residents, about a hundred of them millionaires. Norfolk Island has no income tax and as a result, there's little revenue to be spent on government services.

The health system is of third world standard, according to the Liberal Senator Ross Lightfoot, who chairs the parliamentary inquiry that's been on the island this week.

ROSS LIGHTFOOT: It doesn't really deliver services of any nature that is commensurate with that on the average of mainland Australia, or indeed in our other external Territories.

PETA DONALD: The Norfolk Island Government doesn't want to introduce income tax, and the inquiry is accused of intruding by fierce defenders of the Territory's independence.

In a written submission, the best-selling author Colleen McCullough, who lives on the island, says Canberra is like a child pulling the wings off the world's last specimen of a particular butterfly.

Ross Lightfoot is not put off.

ROSS LIGHTFOOT: Rather we are more concerned with those people who are below what we would call the poverty line in Australia, who need assistance with respect to health, dental and education. They need health with respect to specialist services, they need help with respect to obtaining a decent standard of living in their old age and they're the issues that we're concerned with.

And if the, I guess at the end of the day, if the Norfolk Island Government can't deliver those services then the committee may very well recommend, and I don't want to pre-empt what the committee will do, but it may very well recommend that the Federal Government steps in and delivers those services.

As to how they were paid, they would be paid for, I'm not sure what will happen except I think you'll have to read about it when the report is eventually tabled.

PETA DONALD: None of those who defend the Island's system of government would speak to AM, including the Chief Minister, who didn't return calls.

Alice Buffett is one who wants change, welcoming the prospect of better services.

ALICE BUFFETT: It's pretty rough when people aren't game to go to the doctor again or go to the hospital either because that's the only services done at the hospital, because they owe too much money. That is a very real problem at the moment.

LINDA MOTTRAM: Long-time Norfolk Island resident Alice Buffett. Peta Donald with that report.

Name: in your eyes
Email: heaven@norfolk.nf
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2003
Time: 12:34:44 PM

Comments

yes i guess this is it........can there be anything better?

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalerWalleyRidg
Country: Choose Country

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GRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THE QUALITY OF BRITISH JUSTICE:

http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_detail/0,1227,206842-1-7,00.html

Just as the British naval establishment was once infamous in it's penchant for "rum, sodomy & the lash", the British 'Justice' establishment has long been notorious for it's carnal peccadilloes ...one can only wonder at the quality of 'Justice' which will be meted out to the hapless defendants in this case. ________________________________________________________________

cf: From the NZ press

Lawyers' bizarre boob 19 July 2003 By MARTIN KAY

"Three of Auckland's leading legal identities have been photographed wearing red tinsel wigs and fake breasts days after laying sex charges against nine men on Pitcairn Island.

Auckland crown prosecutor Simon Moore, his assistant Christine Gordon and barrister Gray Cameron were snapped wearing the wigs and plastic breasts while returning to New Zealand in April.

The trio had been in Pitcairn as part of a team issuing charges against nine men, some of the allegations involving teenage girls.

Mr Moore has been appointed public prosecutor for the case and Ms Gordon is his deputy. Mr Cameron was the magistrate who heard the laying of the charges, but he will not preside at the trial, which now involves only seven defendants."

Name: Car Larn
Email: car@larn.com
Country: Choose Country

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Ei nor blamen admin. En very much agree lorngfe yu, ef dem nor se lern dem nor gwen. Soe, foot we car chaenge ar road? Fe make dem lern? Dars mard

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: norgutt@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country

Comments

Car Larn - It isn't Admin to do something. It's the young ones who need to slow down especially when they are so inexperienced drivers on these roads. Come on - it isn't fair to blame Admin. If people drive like Peter Brock or Nikki Lauda - that is their choice, but it aint much good putting the blame on Admin. I for one cannot believe just how fast the young kids are still travelling since the horrible accident. Dem nor se learn en nor gwen.

Name: Car Larn
Email: carlarn@ni.nf
Country: Choose Country

Comments

Are admin going to do something about that nasty corner now before more innocent young lives are lost?

Name: Islander orn Board
Email: timmities_crack.com
Country: Norfolk Island

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Many thanks to Islander Abroad for your comments - those past and present. I agree 150% with all that you have said. Too much sullun ya en abroad suffer with "foot in mouth" en dem cah wuthen dem orn boet 'cos dem putt dems moeth in gear 'fore dems brains. Wal done Brud, en thanks fer sticken by ucklun. Yu knoew whose me. Tekk care and hurry up come hoem. xxx

Name: Islander Abroad
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none/rankeu/original norfolk friend/ditzy ...whatever; why do you even bother surfacing in here??

You appear to have been hanging around this Forum for at least a year or so & have had absolutely nothing substantial to contribute on the topic of 'Norfolk Island', in all that time ...unless differentiating between the various shoe shops on the Island, can be considered a useful contribution to dialogue on Norfolk's public affairs.

You may not have noticed, but the majority of people who have contributed regularly to this Forum - including Joe - have a Norfolk heritage extending back over 147 years ...how many generations back, does your Island heritage extend?

Would I be right in assuming that the answer is: "none"?

So let me put to you, the salient question: Who the Hell do you think you are, setting yourself up as the arbiter of who can contribute to this Forum, or the censor of what they can say??

If you are part of the White-Shoe-Brigade, who feel threatened by Joe's political agenda, why don't you offer a cogent critique of that agenda? ...or aren't you up to it??

As I've said elsewhere, Norfolk is far too small, for small-minded people like you, to become entrenched on the Island ...so why don't you do us all a favour & return to your natural habitat, on the tackiest stretch of the Gold Coast.

Name: Islander Abroad
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Nor Larnen: I'm pretty sure that Errol's mother's father, was from the only branch of the Young family who didn't return to Pitcairn. If memory serves, his mother's mother was a Nobbs.

I think the family resemblance - both Young & Nobbs - is remarkable. Brud Young, Errol's cousin, wasn't a movie star ...but he sure as Hell was popular with the ladies, when I knew him as a young bloke in New Zealand.

There would certainly be people on Norfolk who would know the names of his maternal grandfather/mother.

Name: wunna's uuow
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personally, i like errol's top middle pic here http://www.geocities.com/stegenau/end.html

Name: nor larnen
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Is there anyone out there who can explain more about Errol Flynns Norfolk roots?

Name: Don Norman
Email: Tasmania
Country: Australia

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Strange that while Australia in general & Tasmania in particular, is coming to recognize that Errol Flynn was, is, & probably always will be, our greatest ever Celebrity export, there still appears to be no recognition whatsoever from your Island, of Errol's Norfolk roots.

For those who may be interested in Errol's childhood years in Tasmania, the following site provides an online tour:

http://www.geocities.com/stegenau/TS2.html

& this site offers some great shots of Errol in his prime:

http://www.inlikeflynn.com/

but the image which best captures the Errol I knew as a boy in Tasmania, is this one:

http://www.warriorfilmmakers.com/errolflynn/flynn/index.html

Tasmania has at last begun to acknowledge Errol, by naming a Reserve in Battery Point after him. Perhaps Norfolk can do the same by preserving the ancestral home, or something similar?

Name: d'mien
Email: dumien@noen
Country: New_Zealand

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"Wellesley Pacific Group" - more elusive than The Phantom, Ghost Who Walks.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4158725,00.html

www.enn.com/news/wirestories/2001/11/11022001/ap_45445.asp

Sounds great. But try tracking them down. This is the nearest you'll get:

http://www.yellowpages.co.nz/quick/search?page=search&view=loc&key=Wellesley&stype=standard&cat=0&lkey=&search.x=16&search.y=20

Name: over the seas
Email: me@home.com
Country: Vatican City

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i el larna yourely, Norfolk es the bass side in the world fe call home..... car beat et .... All myse hopes, dreams and goals es still there, and i coming back home soon fe mak et come true...

Name: Nadda Islander
Email: cahwah@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island

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Yes I wholeheartedly agree with all that has been said in support of Darlene. I want to add that it is terribly unfair to attack a person at any time, but particularly when it is all jargon. Pathetic really to think that some people can be so small minded to put their tongues in action before their brain. As if there isn't enough negativity on Norfolk without adding to it. The upshot is, no-one can afford to pay out on people, as YES (whether we like it or not)we all have skeletons, the fact is some choose to ignore the fact they have them. Colin is a damn good dentist which Norfolk has needed, so move forward yorlye, and forget the past and give credit where it is due...just for a change

Name: Islander Abroad
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My God we need more courageous people like Darlene on Norfolk!

I ell oonni hoep yu gwen starn fe dar L.A nex tiem roun Darls, cos wi need moer sullun with TICKER, simmis yu, doewn'a toewn.

Lets face facts: Norfolk's Achilles heel has long been the small-town propensity to "tork fe sullun" ie. idle or mischievous gossip & scuttlebutt about other peoples business.

In my meanderings around the world, I've come to the conclusion that ALL small communities, whether they be African villages or New York workplaces, suffer this same universal syndrome. It appears to be an attribute hard-coded into human nature.

It is therefore, by no means unique to Norfolk ...however, given Norfolk's isolation & size, malicious rumour IS uniquely hurtful & damaging to those who are victims of it.

This "cabin-fever" syndrome was recognized very early in Pitcairn's history & was part of the reason that Jack Adams prohibited discourse in the Tahitian language - he wanted everyone speaking English so he'd know what was going on; (albeit the major reason for banning Tahitian was to stop the women discussing Tahitian religion).

ALL the early vistors to Pitcairn commented on the high ethical standards of inter-personal relations on that Island; when asked about someone else's business, the Islanders would simply respond "it would neither profit you to know, nor harm you not to know" ...& calmly walk away.

Sweet Jesus, if ever there was a tradition that needed to be revived!!

By lifting their rock in a public forum like this (ie. open to the whole planet), Darlene has exposed the lowlife responsible for starting this malicious rumour to the cleansing light of reason & truth; it reveals strong character, courage, intelligence & decisiveness on Darlene's part.

I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions on what it reveals about the person/s who started the rumour ...but presumably, they must also have a perfect set of choppers which will never suffer dental caries - or else they must be complete idiots.

Here we have a highly qualified Medical Professional who is the fiancé of a lovely local lady from one of the founding families of this community ie. there is every prospect that this Dentist is here to stay (believe me, he could easily be making at least 10 times what he'll earn on Norfolk, in private practice in Europe or North America) ; do you have even the slightest inkling of how difficult it is for remote outback communities in even a wealthy country like Australia to attract & keep Medical Professionals?? Do you realize that in most of Africa, the 'dentist' is the local pushbike mechanic, because he's the only one with the 'equipment' to whack your aching tooth out??

Let this be a watershed in Norfolk's social history - the last episode of nasty small-minded malicious rumour & back-stabbing.

Norfolk's future depends entirely on the harmonious working together of ALL Norfolk Islanders whether they be of Pitcairn descent or otherwise.

The Island is far too small, for small-mindedness to become entrenched.

Name: Nor Larnen
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Darls, Colin is a sincere and caring gentleman who is an asset to our community. Moest oh ouwas sullun gut a brain en ell see whuthing gwen orn, es jes small minded sullen gut a axe fe grind. No use a mard, ef really look orn ell sorry furret.

Name: One of Ucklun
Email: norgutt@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island

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Well Darls, it is disappointing to learn that people are crapping on you and Colin already - but it is Noroflk and its people, and we both know that as long as they are taling about you, Colin, me or mine, they are leaving someone else alone. Yes, it is very small minded and sad, but aren't we thankful we aren't like them. I have to agree, someone needs to take action against defamatory comments that circulate this island, but until and unless people here leave and visit the real world, they will not get any better. I cannot praise Colin enough for his expertise used on my kids and myself and the wife. I also know that there are heaps who feel the same. Alot of it Darls is jealousy because you both are in good jobs, working hard for your money and are getting on. Pity the same couldn't be said for more. Head up Col,...you are a great dentist and you'll probably find it's an alky or a boozer who is talking about you. If it doesn't affect your work, don't worry about it - there is an old addage - "people in glass houses".....let's hope it aint the family of the person shown on the local telly tonight trying to rob foodies,....which is worse???

Good on you Darls for standing by your man,...I for one wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of you, but good on you for standing up for yourself but better yet,..signing your name. I would, but know there would be reactions from out there. Let's hope there is more input into this forum or letters to the paper. Some o' yorlye cah do.

Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: personal@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island

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I realise this forum should be used for more positive remarks, and I will keep mine as positive as I can.

I would like to thank my informants who were DECENT enough to confront me in Foodies and tell me of the dear old Norfolk rumour mill which is [yet again] in action.

Here is a message to the ignorant twerp who has started the rumour about my fiancé Colin White. According to the rumour, Colin has hit the turps for the last week, and in a drunken stupor, has been unable to attend the clinic – YEAH RIGHT!! Perhaps the forum or the local paper can have some feed back from his patients??? I cannot believe the unfairness of this comment, and God help the offender should I find out who you are. Does anyone realise the cost involved if charged with defamation of character?

Are you not aware of the fact there is a new dental clinic?? Do you think the equipment from the old clinic will just be zoomed to the new clinic with a wand?? Have you not heard of the terminology “Administrative error”?? What I am trying to say is if you had the tenacity and intelligence to phone the Hospital Director, you would have been told all of this.

I am gob smacked that a person or persons on this island can be so hurtful and outright ignorant, because IF you had a brain between your ears and took the time and trouble to phone the Hospital Director, Dental Clinic, or myself for that matter, you would have been advised that Colin was in fact working this week but only treating dire emergencies. I also heard that Dr Lloyd Fletcher is copping it as well for daring to go on holiday!! One can’t help but feel sorry for those who are too small minded to obtain the facts and who would rather sit on their butts and gossip. Sorry furrett.

Whoever you are you BIG MOUTHED GOSSIPING GITT - have the gumption [I hope you know what the word means] to phone the Hospital Director and talk about it instead of spreading the crap in which you are. I can promise you one thing and that is, if I ever find out your identity, you will know that I am not afraid of you or anyone, and I will take you down the town on a charge of Defamation of Character. It is about time someone shows they have the gutts to do this, which in the end might stop the gossip mill. You are pathetic, ignorant and GUTLESS.

Finally some good advise from me - “clean up your own back yard and release your own skeletons, or else get out in the real world and get a life - you pathetic little cretin”.

Name: d'mien
Email: dumien@noen
Country: New_Zealand

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Thanks. Nothing to it really. Now why don't you follow suit & offer constructive comment on Norfolk, yourself - rather than just generic bagging of what others have contributed?

Name: shocked
Email: shocked@iprimus.com.au
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Oh my, well there is always one, it is amazing what you can learning by using a search engine on the internet. Congratulations, bravo, well done old chap.

Name: shocked
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Are peoples live's lacking so much that they fill the need to make comments on an open forum that are no more constructive than a sitting of parliment. Some comments I have read have been refreshing in the fact that people might actually care a little about Norfolk, the rest well lets just say it's amazing that so many people can make comments about issue's that they know the slightest amount about. I believe they do this so that they sound intelligent to somebody, maybe just themselves.

Name: Islander Abroad
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Re. previous post: es tru wi se cum dar wawaha??

Hettae wun (ummaoolla) English vershun o'dar Taheitiun aenthum:

Ia ora o Tahiti Nui

'ua rahu te fenua (i) to'u ai'a hono no'ano'a o te motu rau heihei i te pua ri'i au e e firi nape morohi ore 'o ta'u ia e fa'ateniteni nei te tuoro nei te reo here'o te hui'a 'a hi'i to aroha 'ia ora o Tahiti Nui e

Long live Tahiti Nui

Gods who created our Lands this garland of myriad Islands suffused with such delicate perfume woven as an everlasting braid forever in praise of You; listen to your children's voices crying out lavish Your love so that Tahiti Nui can live

Name: normatta
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Ent onie dem nor gut access ta dem international press es dem bloody poms se put dem under wun "gag order" - dem ent fe speak out for fear of prosecution. Simes yu ei orf shor but simes a thing sullun orn Norfolk nah bin lef wun finga fe halp et, wi nor gut wun Pitkern Descendants Society ell halp et?

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PalvaWalleyRidg
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Dar gud fe see yu luken ouet fe ouwas sullen orn Pitkern, Norlarnen.

Unfortunately, like most of us who are following this issue via the global media, I'm hearing only one side of the polemic; like ALL colonial subjects, ouwas sullen orn Pitkern gut noe voies in em international media, fe larn dems sieda d'stoery.

However, the impartial observer cannot help but wonder if there is not more to this case than the, prima facie, simple allegations (& therefore easiest to level) of that oldest of human foibles, sexual transgression.

The two Imperial Powers who contributed most to the destruction of the magnificent Otaheitian High Culture & ongoing subjugation of the peoples of the 'Society Islands' (so named by Cook after the 'scientific' vanguard of British Imperialism -The British Royal Society), also have ongoing, extensive economic & geopolitical interests in this region.

For starters there are massive deposits of manganese, iron, copper, gold, silver, and zinc, which have recently been discovered within the 200 nautical-mile exclusive economic zone surrounding the Pitcairn Islands (Pitcairn, Henderson, Oeno, Ducie).

So potentially lucrative are these motherlodes of crucial industrial minerals, that the French & British were induced to suspend their inveterate loathing for each other,long enough to cut a deal on divvying-up the loot:

cf: 'Convention on Maritime Boundaries between the Government of the French Republic and the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'

http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/FRA-GBR1983MB.PDF

The only real obstacle to an open slather approach to a final round of rape & pillage of this region by the hoary, sclerotic, Imperial Masters ...is the best interests of the indigenous people of the Pitcairn Islands; I can think of no better requiem for ouwas sullun orn Pitkern, than the indigenous national anthem of the Tahitian peoples ...which is a poignant lament for their lost freedom & autonomy:

"Ia Ora 'O Tahiti Nui"

'Ua rahu te atua (i) to'u 'ai'a Hono no'ano'a o te motu rau Heihei i te pua ri'i au é E firi nape morohi 'ore 'O ta'u ia e fa'ateniteni nei Te Tuoro nei te reo here O te hui'a 'A hi'i to aroha 'Ia ora o Tahiti Nui é

Name: normatta
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Having just finished Colleen's latest book "Morgans Run" I was interested to read that some of our Pitcairn descendants are apparently related to convicts from the first fleet (sum sullun wuld tull ent noe surprise fe ya dem out yenna gut a convict blood unae!). Is there any other source that could remotely verify the aspertion that polynesian descendants of pre 1788 Nofolk Islanders live amongst us?

Name: car do.
Email: cardo@tedside.nf
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Thanks for the article on Pitcairn. Its a great article and one of the most positive I have seen since the whole sorry affair started on Pitcairn. I pray for our Pitcairn brothers and sisters and hope they find the strength to ride this storm through.

Name: Nor Larnen
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'Sins of a few' trouble Pitcairn By Michael Brooke BBC

A couple of months ago I was looking down into the blue waters of Bounty Bay.

The leaves of the coconut palms rattled in the south-easterly breeze.

Pure white tropicbirds rode the updrafts sweeping the cliffs, the better to show off their extravagant red tail plumes.

A commemorative plaque, erected in 1990, recorded the arrival of the Bounty mutineers 200 years earlier.

I was on Pitcairn, home to a distinct culture and language.

Close community

Idyllic? Scarcely, for I knew that a legal bombshell, the greatest catastrophe in the island's 213-year recorded history, had exploded.

Pitcairners are up in arms because they feel that someone with minimal knowledge of life on a Pacific island has decided that the British idea of justice should prevail

My acquaintance with Pitcairn stretches back over 13 years. It is an extraordinarily isolated, rugged fertile lump of rock, 3,000 miles (4,800 km) from New Zealand.

Such isolation has always meant that the community has had to stick together to survive.

The best of community spirit is visible in the manning of the longboats, the 45-foot (13-metre) open aluminium boats that power past the crumbling jetty of Bounty Bay, crash through the Pacific rollers and rendezvous a mile or so offshore with passing ships.

Everything but everything comes ashore via those longboats - food, 45-gallon oil drums, the metaphorical and actual kitchen sink.

Everybody helps unload at the quayside, but it is the crews who handle the boat while it is rising and falling 20 feet (6 m) alongside the hull of a 20,000 ton cargo vessel who do the irreplaceable man's work.

Up in arms

Tales of Pitcairn at its worst began to reach me about two and a half years ago.

Now, several island-based men have been charged with sexual offences, some involving children.

The Pitcairners are up in arms because they feel that someone with minimal knowledge of life on a Pacific island has decided that the British idea of justice should prevail.

It is the governor, whose day job is British High Commissioner to New Zealand, who has borne the brunt of the islanders' wrath.

Yet the key decisions about the nature of the judicial process have been made at high levels in Whitehall.

The most obvious concern is the sheer expense, well in excess of Pitcairn's shoe-string expenditure.

Financial controversy

Normally around £250,000 ($415,000) of revenue a year pays for an administrative unit in Auckland, which arranges the vital transport of goods and people and the regular issue of postage stamps.

Compare this with the financial tap which gushes freely, courtesy of UK taxpayers, to fund this judicial process.

A Pitcairn logistics team, with swanky offices in Auckland and a chief residing in an Auckland hotel for two years, has built remand space on Pitcairn for six accused, plus accommodation for prosecution and defence lawyers.

A commode has been imported for the presiding judge.

It is not obvious to anyone on Pitcairn why the legal bottom cannot sit itself upon the cliff-top lavatories, the aptly-named 'long drops' that serve everyone else's daily needs.

Investigating officers from the Kent Constabulary have winged to and fro between England and New Zealand in business class seats.

'Unfair' punishment

There has already been huge expenditure on accommodation, on video-conferencing equipment, on the Ministry of Defence policemen who have been stationed on the island doing three-month stints for the past 18 months and on social workers who are largely shunned by the community.

Pitcairn Home to 46 residents Lies halfway between New Zealand and Peru Language is mix of 18th century English and Polynesian Alcohol is still technically banned The expenditure is running into millions. Meanwhile the community is desperate to see its facilities upgraded.

One such improvement would be re-surfacing the Hill of Difficulty - the often-muddy and treacherous road connecting Bounty Bay and the township where everyone lives, Adamstown.

£500,000 ($835,000) was earmarked by the Department for International Development for this project.

Then, around two years ago at the very time news of impending charges filtered out, the money ceased to be available.

No wonder the community feels it is being punished for the alleged sins of the few.

Despite this feeling, the material needed for the trials could not have been installed without the co-operation of the Pitcairners.

Some islanders contributed to the building of the remand centre.

The longboat crews brought the materials ashore.

Britain's 'revenge'

Of course they did. That is the Pitcairn way. Yet the crews stand to be emasculated if either those charged are removed to New Zealand for trial, or if any convicted are jailed.

Although Tony Blair has failed to answer letters from Pitcairn appealing for the trials to be held on their island, the islanders do not want independence.

"We've got no money, no brains, no people, no nothing," says an over-modest Betty Christian, among the most articulate of Pitcairn's womenfolk.

It will take the wisdom of several Solomons to save the best of this small, marvellous, imperfect speck of cultural diversity, and to ensure that Betty Christian has no excuse for asserting that, 213 years after the Bounty mutiny, Britain was at last taking revenge on the mutineers.

Name: the bells
Email: s.cbell@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand

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hi all, Interested to hear the road up Mt Pitt still not done. When is it due for completion? Tis a lovely view from up there.Bringing old Aunts over and don't think they will manage the walk, but they could surprise us again.

Name: MrChainsaw
Email: pamparker@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand

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Hey Mr None, we walked it twice and enjoyed it but would still like to have taken our car up . Great place to watch the sunset and also watch the Planes come in.

Name: none
Email: none@msn.com
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Mr Chainsaw......do you have to take your car up Mount Pitt? Ever tried walking, its a very enjoyable walk and not far....honestly, the things people complain about!

Name: RE: "Poetic License" - (Crude Historical Revisionism on Official NI Gov't Website)
Email: 216.171.228.19
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Moer simmis 'Prosaic Lies' brud ...just part of the ongoing process of dispossessing the Pitcairn Descendants of their rightful Homeland.

Makes "Terra Nullius" look kosher.

Name: MrChainsaw
Email: pamparker@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand

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Enjoyed Bounty Day, disapointed we couldnt go on Culla & Co . annoyed we couldnt take our car up Mt Pitt (couldnt 3 years ago ) either. Loved all the Progressive dinners we did (3) and enjoyed staying at the Fantasy Island Resort .

Name: our people?
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Quite a bit of poetic license being used there. I'd would paticularly like fe knoe which oh ucklan fet dea desception "may even descend from the Polynesian settlers who landed here centuries earlier"

Just goes to show how out of touch some of them down town really are!

Name: the bells
Email: s.cbell@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand

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Hi all, Regular visitor to Clay target champs. Bringing old Aunt over in Oct. She is hoping to find anyone who remembers her late husband, Peter Pegram. He was stationed on the island during the war as a signalman.Also if anyone knows of where they were stationed during that time. Any information would be appreciated. thanks Carol Bell

Name: David Townsend
Email: nmtdet@hotmail.com
Country: United States

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Happy "Bounty Day" to all Norfolk Islanders! Wishing only the best to all.

4th Generation Nephew Thomas Denman Ledward, Loyalist Ships Surgeon, H.M.A.V. Bounty

A Friend Of Pitcairn & Norfolk Islanders

Name: 013
Email: 672@3
Country: Choose Country

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International Direct Dialling to Norfolk Island is available from most countries. To place a call from a telephone with access to direct dialling facilities, simply dial the I.D.D. access code of the country that you are in, followed by the Norfolk Island country code 672. Follow this with the area code 3, then the required local number.

Example: calling Customs Office from New Zealand, using I.D.D. you would dial

00 + 672 + 3 + 22140

Customs Office, Burnt Pine (6723) 22140

Customs Office, Burnt Pine, Facsimile (6723) 23260

Airport Office (6723) 22050

Duty Officer Weekends-

Mobile1 80214

Mobile2 80257

After Hours Urgent Only (6723) 22315

Note: If you are already on Norfolk Island, you can make a free call from any local / public telephone, by dialling the last 5 digits, as above.

Example : To dial Norfolk Island Customs from a local phone just dial 22140.

Name: Mike Rigg
Email: happylandings@attglobal.net
Country: Hong Kong

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Finally found your telephone book on line but there is no mention of the country code ....still trying!

Name: Crude Historical Revisionism on Official NI Gov't Wesite
Email: 216.171.228.19
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147th Bounty Day & 214th anniversary of the founding of the Pitkerner Nation.

Yet on the official NI Gov't website our people are mentioned as an afterthought:

"Members of our community are descendants of the First Fleet of British colonists who arrived in Sydney and on Norfolk in 1788. Some of our residents may even descend from the Polynesian settlers who landed here centuries earlier. And, of course, almost half of our community are descendants of the Bounty mutineers and their descendants on Pitcairn Island."

cf: http://www.norfolk.gov.nf/the_people.htm

Shame on you, NI Gov't.

Name: Dorgs Cork
Email: nor@larnen.com
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Whut a weih orl yorlie orn Norfuk? Ei orf Norfolk en wunderen how ouwas sullen back hoem gwen. Yorlie must be gwen busi owa de nex few daes cooken up fe Bounti Dae. Has hoepen dar sun gwena shine gude fe yorli fe hae yus wettles down a town. Gord Bless orl ucklan past, present en future.

Name: Wanda LeBlanc-Cochee
Email: wlcochee@aol.com
Country: United States

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Name: Chris
Email: Chrissos@smarchat.net.au
Country: Australia

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Hey all

Im the oldest Grandson of Ned "Tiger" Gazzard - would any of the Islanders like to correspond with an Aussie relative?

Name: MrChainsaw
Email: pamparker@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand

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We are on our 3rd visit wed 4th June . Hope to enjoy Bounty Day and have a relaxing time. Loved Culla & Co and his FARTING horses and the way they cheat by having a truck pull the horses up the hill. Would love to work on the Island or buy a small business if curcumstances permitted. Also enjoyed the Progresive Dinner and the wonderfull Island hospitality.

Name: A Norfolker Born & Bred
Email: lubbeeucklun.nf
Country: Norfolk Island

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I agree with the previous comment and input targeted at "Uncle Bob?" but please let's keep input on this site constructive and positive. Life is too short for sullen be whingeing so much. SO let's get on with life and enjoy every minute of it, because you are a long time dead otherwise. NIDS have done a great job with this website!! Well done yorlye.

Name: Auntie Mary
Email: norgutt.nf
Country: Norfolk Island

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Uncle Bob,.......if you can prepare and publish a better website, please do. This is Norfolk NOT Australia or Christmas Island which is why we are unique!! So please save your negative energy and thoughts.

Name: Uncle Bob
Email: none
Country: Norfolk Island

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This website is so YUK..

Look at the http://www.christmas.net.au/ theirs is much nicer.

Name: a reader
Email: sfthgnhdfg
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Why has everybody gone quite. No comments since 22nd of May ???????????????

Name: Gaugain
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Country: France

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Name: Nor Larnen
Email: norlarnen@either.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 May 2003
Time: 12:24:54 PM

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Re: Censorship. I noticed a few days ago that some rude personal slander had made it's way back on to the site, the first since the makeover. The next day it had been deleted. I personally think it's the right thing to do as unfounded attacks of a personal nature have no place in here. To the guilty I suggest you put a little thought into it and substantiate your positions, you will likely find it gets published.

Name: A Visitor
Email: none
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 May 2003
Time: 11:44:37 AM

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The 10th country music festival is certainly going well despite a bit of rain and wind. The shows so far are great. If you haven’t yet been, then get out and buy your ticket as the nights are brilliant. It has certainly been worth the trip to see the 10th festival. Thanks to all involved with making it a great success. Thanks to NIDS for the internet cafe'or else I couldn't write this.

Name: Please Explain
Email: dumyne
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 21 May 2003
Time: 07:43:48 PM

Comments

what comment might that be? - & who's gagging it??

Name: Old Norfolker
Email: deefakelpi@hotmail.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 May 2003
Time: 06:40:11 PM

Comments

Censorship rears is ugly head - Norfolk Island is gagging comment!!!

Name: Remembering Sean Leslie Flynn (Young/Nobbs Descendant)
Email: Homecoming-II-Project@POW-MIA-families
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 21 May 2003
Time: 04:39:23 PM

Comments

Born this day, a great photojournalist, talented actor & outstanding individual; RIP, buddy.

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/seanflynn.html#photos

Name: Sean Leslie Flynn Rank/Branch: U.S. Civilian Unit: Free Lance Photo/journalist working for Time Magazine Date of Birth: 21 May 1941 Home City of Record: Date of Loss: 06 April 1970 (?) Country of Loss: Cambodia Loss Coordinates: 110236N 1060419E (XT171209) Status (In 1973): Prisoner Of War Category: 1 Acft/Vehicle/Ground: Honda motorbike

Name: Carol Day
Email: carday@tpg.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 May 2003
Time: 04:13:27 PM

Comments

What a fantastic site you now have, and good to see only positive comments will be accepted. About time and well done!! I just want to wish everyone involved - all the very best of luck with your country music festival. I hear from my friend who is over there that there is lots of rain - don't let it spoil your nights. Good luck all yorlie and see you next year.

Name: Aus. Isle O'phile
Email: uce@ftc.gov.spammers.beware
Country: Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands
Date: Monday, 19 May 2003
Time: 06:45:49 PM

Comments

Dear Canadian Crusoe's, whilst Norfolk is certainly the piece de resistance of Australasia's Island smorgasbord, Paradise - by definition - has a finite carrying capacity. You may also wish to consider these little gems:

http://www.lordhoweisland.info/

http://www.cocos-tourism.cc/

http://www.christmas.net.au/

http://www.kangaroo-island-au.com/

http://www.australianexplorer.com/torres_strait_islands.htm

http://www.new-zealand-nz.co.nz/aotearoa/stewartisland.html

http://www.chathams.com/visiting/attractions.html

http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=bhp&t=res

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Name: One of Ucklun
Email: greatnewsfornorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 May 2003
Time: 01:09:15 PM

Comments

What fantastic news to hear that we are getting back one of the best dentists Norfolk has ever seen - and that is Colin White. This has to be excellent news for Norfolk. Thank goodness someone has seen the light and has begun to put Norfolk and its people and their talents back into perspective. Welcome back Colin! My kids are looking forward to seeing you.

Name: David Grimes
Email: iamdavidgrimes@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 May 2003
Time: 01:06:18 PM

Comments

Norfolk Island Rocks, great people and great hospitality!

good work

Name: Dan
Email: sswatchdog@hotmail.com
Country: Canada
Date: Monday, 19 May 2003
Time: 04:35:39 AM

Comments

We are also from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. I have a successful web-based business, and we (my wife and myself) are considering relocating outside Canada. Been here and done that, and done it all. Time for a change in the midpoint in our lives. And we want to put some distance between me and the US as we grow weary and irritated with their policies. We are looking at one of the Pacific islands to relocate permanently, and to make a contribution (to become part of its history, and its community). We are researching the Cook Islands, but Norfolk is another gem that appeals to us - has got to be fate as we are one of the few people that we know that have raised a Norfolk Pine tree so successfully, and for so long (the tree is famous for dying in this part of the World).

What concerns us the most is the dollars and cents of living outside Canada. The cost of living in Canada (and the US) is very low - almost half that of most of the European countries. The business is thriving, and money is rarely an issue. However, one big concern is the cost of living in Norfolk. And in particular, Internet access - here in Canada, you can get unlimited high-speed cable access for less than $40 (CDN) per month. Any thoughts, or examples of the cost of living on Norfolk?

As an aside, I hope that this post does not come across as rude or insulting. We really love the island, but we have to be pragmatic. We are looking at making a substantial and permanent move: including immigration, purchasing real estate, and freighting our belongings across the Pacific. We realize that living on Norfolk will be more expensive. But we are curious as to how much more. Again, a beautiful part of the World that really appeals to us. A part of the World where we want to settle down, and to become members of the community. Thanks in advance for any shared input.

Historical PS - I don't know if this ever reached Norfolk ears, but two Bounty descendents worked the BC Ferries (http://www.bcferries.com/). They were coworkers awhile back (could have been the 1970's). One of them was descended from Christian, and the other from Bligh. Small world :)

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: .@.
Country: Cote D'Ivoire
Date: Saturday, 17 May 2003
Time: 04:38:00 PM

Comments

Hello Charles (or is it Kurt?), I must say I approve of your taste in classical chinese philosophers, esp. the ethereal taost-pantheist 'Chuang Tzu'; we even have an analogue of his principle of 'productive-inaction or 'hsü' on Norfolk ...we call it 'hilli'.

As for how it's going on the Côte d'Ivoire, well as the old Africa hands are wont to say "once you get past the pox & poverty, its heart of darkness all the way!" (just kidding) ...actually apart from unusually heavy gunfire on the streets of Yamoussoukro over the last few nights & no electricity or running water, things couldn't be rosier.

Charles, if you're seriously interested in settling on Norfolk & wish to make a significant contribution to 'nation-building' on the Island, may I suggest that you write to the 'letters' page of the local newspaper ('The Editor, Norfolk Island News, c/o. GPO, Norfolk Island, South Pacific', will get you there), soliciting the views of the Islanders as to how best you might make a contribution to the community.

A totally 'open-slather' & unmoderated forum such as this, is not the arena to elicit full & frank views from residents of the Island, on issues of paramount importance in Norfolk's public domain.

As for my eccentric self - & I reiterate that I hold no writ to speak on behalf of the Islanders - I believe the most valuable contribution to public life on the Island at the present would be the creation of a 'Permaculture Village' (cf: http://www.earthwise.org.au/) structured around a 'Senior-Citizens & Nursing-Mothers Recreational & Care, Facility'.

In fact, as it happens, the ideal venue for such a project would be the 'South Pacific Resort Hotel', cf:

http://www.bountycentre.nf/sou.htm

"Set on 3.5 hectares of beautiful parkland, this hotel is the largest and most conveniently located on Norfolk Island. Only a short stroll to tax free shopping and a 5 minute drive to the beach, golf course and historic Kingston.

The hotel is licensed for 133 people with 60 licensed guest rooms, together with restaurant and recreational facilities. Garden rooms are 3.5 star, superior and deluxe rooms are at a 4 star rating."

If memory serves me well, the proprietors of this worthy establishment once attepted to ban entry to 'locals' in the mid-60's (?), so it would be a delicious irony indeed if it were to become a public asset serving the common good.

In closing I would also advise, as with all things "try before you buy" - visit the Island & meet the people; a great place to begin this journey is:

A Fragile Paradise - Author: Glynn Christian Publisher: Little Brown & Company Released: September, 1982 Isbn: 0316140635 Format: Hardcover List Price: $19.95

Name: Charles Johnston
Email: sorrybutnospamwanted@nospamplease.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 May 2003
Time: 03:27:18 PM

Comments

Dear Islander Abroad,

That was quite a gracious and thoughtful response, and for that I do thank you! (Howzit going in Africa where you are?)

Made me smile, you did, and think too! I admit having to refresh my aquaintance with things philosophical, simply to be sure I understood the entirety of your wonderful post. If you are at all representative of Norfolk then my decision - not just to "reside on" Norfolk, but to "become Norfolk" (as much as such a thing may be possible - I could but try with an open heart) - becomes easier.

I visited New Zealand once in the Eighties, and found it much more to my liking than Canada. It was like a dream in green. I planned on emigrating, but things didn't work out. Since then I've been fascinated and entranced by South pacific culture, and never gave up on getting to the Southern Hemisphere somehow. To my surprise and delight, I discover what Norfolk is like, and how possible it is that I have found my true home.

I have spent nearly my entire life in close cultural proximity and personal friendship with Native Americans, primarily Southwestern - Pueblo, Dine, Apache, Zuni, etc. I've also known and loved, deeply loved, Africans, who came from quite an unsophisticated rural, yet profoundly communal village background. Between Native Americans and Africans, I have learned the things in life most worth knowing. English Canadian culture, (which is just American culture that thinks it's isn't, eh...) has taught me the laws of profit, and little else. Not that I'm complaining, ha!

Philosophically, I tend towards Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, and Huang Po. (Which is why I had to look up "bildung" on Google...)

So, I feel confident in assuming you understand that I understand what you mean, and that you understand why I literally need to feel sybiotically and organically connected to the people and land I live with. I am terribly, terribly sorry to hear about Jannelle, and I certainly hope along with everyone else that justice is done and peace restored

Question: All I know about Norfolk is through the Internet, which means I don't really know anything at all, having never been. I have read contradictory statements regarding how Islanders regard outsiders who evince an interest in learning to speak Norfolk.

I would love to learn Norfolk!!! I've read online that some welcome and respect others learning Norfolk, and also that some do not. What do you think?

I tried Navajo once decades ago (Dine is the proper name for the people and language) but Navajo is possibly the most difficult language in the world, and I failed. I remember how to say "beautiful car" (!), it's "nizhonii chi'idii". How does one say "beautiful" in Norfolk?

Kurt

Name: Janelle's Mum
Email: na
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 May 2003
Time: 01:36:46 AM

Comments

Janelle's murder will only be solved with help and cooperation from the public, both on and off the Island. We have no idea who did this to our daughter and whether it was a local resident or a visitor to the island. To us it does not matter...Nell was brutally murdered and the person responsible is still free to live a life...a freedom that has been stolen from our daughter. Whether the murderer lived on the Island or was visiting, one fact remains...the very large sheet of builder's plastic that was used to wrap Nell's violated body came from somewhere on the Island. If it was stolen from your property or your vehicle, or if you know anything about it, please contact the police through the tollfree number which has now been set up. The more information the police have, the more chance they have of arresting and charging this "person". Unless you have had a daughter taken so suddenly and so violently, you cannot begin to imagine what we have gone through in the past 14 months.

Name: Islander Abroad
Email: xforce@iss.net
Country: Cote D'Ivoire
Date: Thursday, 15 May 2003
Time: 04:51:44 PM

Comments

Whuttawieh Charles, cushu I hoep. (Greetings Charles, I hope you're doing fine.)

Great to see that there are still people of depth & quality out there, taking a genuine interest in our unique & estimable Islander Community.

Let me emphasise at the outset that I'm an Islander who - like many before & since - had to leave the Island many decades ago for economic reasons & am now dismayed & disappointed at the extent to which the magnificent Islander Community of my distant & wayward youth has been forced to assimilitate to the socio-economic structures & imperatives of the two Settler-States of which it forms a sort of eastern periphery - primarily Australia, but to a lesser extent New Zealand also.

Therefore my perceptions may be considered old-fashioned & will certainly be contested by many who currently live on the Island.

In my view the root cause of the range of problems currently afflicting the Island, is that over the years we have drifted away from the 'founding vision' of the compex, deeply flawed, but fundamentally idealistic, Leaders, who established & guided this singular community in it's formative years. In fact, with the benefit of hindsight, the end of Norfolk's 'Golden Age' may arguably be dated to the passing of the last of the great Leaders, George Hunn Nobbs in 1884 & John Buffett in 1891.

In a nutshell the gist of this 'founding vision' was of a congregational/arcadian/communitarian polity, whose simple existential aspirations were, on the one hand, communal religious devotion; & on the other, the uncompromising spiritual & physical well-being of it's citizens. In modern political terms - a truly organic Christian-Social-Democracy whose abundance of 'social-capital' would put latter day Scandinavians to shame; & over which Ideologues such as Marx & Engels would weep with envy.

Any 'philanthropic-endeavours' which guide the Islander Community back to this pristine 'founding vision', would - in my view - be a good thing.

The most important point to bear in mind is that the Norfolk Islanders are, in our own way (a 'way' which Goethe would have described as 'Bildung'), a highly cultured community with an extremely sensitive social-sensibility derived directly from our Tahitian forbears. This kind of refined social-sensibility is quite simply lacking in 'legal-rationalist' Western societies in general (& OZ/NZ in particular) - Maoris excepted -& is the main source of friction between 'outsiders' & Islanders.

Come into the Islander Community with respect, an open mind & a willingness to learn our quaint creole & you will find a wonderful, warm, generous & humourous people whom, it is a delight to live amongst.

Name: Charles Johnston
Email: sorrybutnospamwanted@nospamplease.com
Country: Canada
Date: Thursday, 15 May 2003
Time: 04:39:55 AM

Comments

Greetings to all Norfolk Islanders from Vancouver, Canada.

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this forums entries, and appreciate the passionate diversity of views regarding the issues facing your beautiful island home.

I'm considering a quiet life on Norfolk, and I believe I could contribute in some small way to the quality of life on Norfolk, (and would of course want to!), as I've met some degree of success in life through hard work, and I'd want to share that success with my neighbors and fellow residents.

Rather than simply assuming I'd know how best to contribute, I'd like to hear from Islanders themselves, how a man with some resources might contribute in a way that would appreciated by most.

I see that among the top issues of concern to Norfolk Islanders are land prices for original descendants and environmental issues relating to development.

I also see that high on the list of things causing resentment, are outsiders with wealth moving in, (thereby changing local conditions for the worse for natives), but contributing little or nothing.

I would certainly not wish to be percieved in that category, should I decide to reside on Norfolk. I value harmonious relations with the members of any community I live in!

So, in all sincerity, I'd love to hear how I might use my financial resources in a way that would be viewed positively.

Student college scholarships? Environmental projects such as reforestation? Subsidizing a needed community service at present unavailable? I am open to all suggestions.

I'd not be likely to be interested in any schemes involving further development in such a small island. I am quite finished with the "money-making" phase of my life, and would have no need to exploit anyone or anything on Norfolk for profit.

Again, I value peace and harmony above all else, and recognize that native islanders themselves can provide better answers to my questions about making a contribution, than my own imagination in an informational vacuum.

Thank you.

Sincerely, Charles Johnston

Name: Diane
Email: chev83@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Monday, 12 May 2003
Time: 06:51:11 PM

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Hi everyone, Does anyone living there In Norfolk Island know Robyn Marek? She Is living here In New Zealand now, I wanted to know If she had any friends there, as she Is causing us grief here In New Zealand.

Name: Q_Q
Email: .@.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 May 2003
Time: 02:44:41 PM

Comments

actually, make that "original norfolk clacker-twiddler"

Name: Q_Q
Email: .@.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 May 2003
Time: 02:30:33 PM

Comments

actually, make that "original norfolk clacker-twiddler"

Name: 0_0
Email: .@.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 07 May 2003
Time: 05:35:35 PM

Comments

make that "original norfolk"

Name: Aus. Isle O'phile
Email: uce@ftc.gov.spammers.beware
Country: Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands
Date: Wednesday, 07 May 2003
Time: 03:26:48 PM

Comments

"Original Norfolk " - with friends like you, no wonder the Islands got problems

Name: original norfolk friend
Email: biteme2@hotmail
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 May 2003
Time: 02:35:20 AM

Comments

Aus O Phile must have a really boring life and greater predeliction for gossip than most to have bothered checking out every forum site on the net for moderators. It must be so much fun to live in constant worry concerning the "almighty dollar".(NOT?) Perhaps next you will suggest "marketing" the norfolk Island newspaper over the net? Real Islanders are aware not everything needs to have a price tag attached to be considered valuable and most can spot greed a mile off. If you don't like this site and prefer a moderated one you know what you can do.

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nune
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 May 2003
Time: 05:57:28 PM

Comments

To "Disappointed and Islander Phile" The old saying still rings true "don't believe everything you hear/read"

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nune
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 May 2003
Time: 05:57:14 PM

Comments

To "Dissapointed and Islander Phile" The old saying still rings true "don't believe everything you hear/read"

Name: DISAPPOINTED
Email: DISAPPOINTED@.NZ
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 06 May 2003
Time: 04:59:23 PM

Comments

i'm disappointed that more islanders don't show the true island spirit & join with ross on this fantastic adventure:

"A replica whaleboat belonging to Ross McPhail from Norfolk Island, north-east of Sydney, has turned up on a Townsville beach in north Queensland, months after the vessel was thought to be lost at sea.

Island spokesman Tom Lloyd says Mr McPhail abandoned his boat during Cyclone Zoe last year, and he had to be rescued by a commercial tanker.

"It went through Cyclone Zoe, which was that real, horrendous cyclone that flattened those islands up in the Solomons, and there were another two after it," he said.

"So it so sort of survived three cyclones and eventually came to rest just south of Townsville."

He says Mr McPhail is a descendent of the Bounty mutineers, and he was trying to sail the whaleboat 4,000 kilometres from Norfolk to Pitcairn Island.

"This was his second attempt actually, he had built another boat, but they ran into some trouble not very far of Norfolk and he had to turn back," he said.

"But he was determined to do it and he said when I spoke to him after his second attempt, he said, 'well, I'm going back up to Townsville and we'll get it all re-done and set sail again'."

Name: Aus. Isle O'phile
Email: uce@ftc.gov.spammers.beware
Country: Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands
Date: Tuesday, 06 May 2003
Time: 03:37:18 PM

Comments

just in what sense are you an "original" Norfolk friend? :| seems to me you're putting your predilection for gossip ahead of the economic interests of your "friends" ! , anyways I doubt very much that any real Islanders (ie. with Bounty roots) waste their time in here, precisely cos they know it's the equivalent of an anonymous graffitti wall !! every forum site on the Net is moderated except this one - as for whats really going on within the Island, I suspect only the Norfolk Islander newspaper would be the source for that !

Name: original norfolk friend
Email: neverumind@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 05 May 2003
Time: 08:27:24 PM

Comments

NIDs site may be a POTENTIAL site for the marketing of Norfolk Island however it is NOT the OFFICIAL government site and therefore much better suited for the layman to come in here and express their opinions. Tourists will come and go regardless of what goes on in this forum. If this was used with marketing in mind we would just be subjected to the usual old brainwashing, bed of roses trip. Personally I enjoy the rawness and honesty of comments posted here, they may be anonymous but they keep things fresh and people on their toes too no doubt. A lot of us who can no longer live on the island are glad to have some of the local insights provided here. Don't change this site just thinking of extra dollars, keep it as it is. We like the forum warts and all, who needs watered down, disinfected, hogwash.Keep on speaking out for the individuals, ignore those who are just trying to wreck havoc here and somewhere in the middle we will find the balance of what is really going on over there and how people really feel about it all, thats what makes it interesting.

Name: Aus. Isle O'phile
Email: uce@ftc.gov.spammers.beware
Country: Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands
Date: Monday, 05 May 2003
Time: 05:34:34 PM

Comments

actually, the suggestion was, that since tourism is - for better or worse - NI's bread & butter industry, a forum site such as this (which is potentially, a fantastic marketing tool) should really be managed by either the NI Tourism Bureau or the NI Gov't. (?) reading back through some of the derogatory comments posted here, it ain't exactly smart marketing for Norfolk!

Name: Not Telling
Email: none
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 04 May 2003
Time: 11:04:45 PM

Comments

NIDS isn't monopolising forums on Norfolk Island, if you can set up a better site - one then go ahead. I expect you will see plenty of traffic.

Name: Aus. Islanderphile
Email: uce@ftc.gov.spammers.beware
Country: Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands
Date: Saturday, 03 May 2003
Time: 04:01:30 PM

Comments

just a thought - given that this web forum is often the first point of call for intending visitor's to your lovely Island, it has become a defacto marketing tool for Norfolk; now I don't wish to be critical of NIDS but NIDS isn't the NI Tourist Bureau or Gov't & therefore may not be the ideal agency to be 'managing' a site such as this (?) as an example of a fantastic forum site (where NI gets a mention) have a look at: http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com

Name: Sergey
Email: artline_studio@ukr.net
Country: Ukraine
Date: Saturday, 03 May 2003
Time: 10:01:18 AM

Comments

Hello! You made is a veru beautiful WEB-pages. Wery intresting! I am want to travel in your island to see nice plases! I am live in Crimea peninsula. This is a beautiful place,too, and i very wont have a friends, many friends, because our world is a very interesting! (I am very sorry, but I am don't good write from English). Good by!

Name: Anon.
Email: .@.
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Friday, 02 May 2003
Time: 04:07:39 PM

Comments

great to see welcome & esteemed visitors taking time & effort to express positive sentiments about the JEWEL in Australia's crown - pity the same can't be said for some of the Australian media, in particular "Background Briefing" :( !

Name: Trish
Email: trishachriss@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 May 2003
Time: 11:45:17 AM

Comments

I am writing to say that in my seven visits to Norfolk to date, they have been nothing short of fantastic. It is a great place to come and wash the busy year just gone away. I think of it as a place where I feel completely safe (unlike in Sydney) and everyone is so friendly and helpful. I look forward to visiting heavenly Norfolk Island again in December for my wedding.

Name: Les Adams
Email: cyayorley@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 April 2003
Time: 09:05:01 AM

Comments

Name: never thought I'd see the day
Email: dazed@confused
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 27 April 2003
Time: 04:39:11 PM

Comments

when I look at the size of the Pitkerner Diaspora (& thanks George): http://www.ourbounty.com/bounty/genealogy/index.html ...I'm buggered if I know how so many of us who owe our very existence to this beautiful little Island can just stand by & watch it slip away from us

Name: normatta
Email: none
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 April 2003
Time: 10:45:48 AM

Comments

I was wondering if there has been any talk in the Norfolk community of sending some able bodied islanders to Pitcairn if they were to be required at the conclusion of the current legal proceedings? The post below "the real agenda" is another quite sobering prospect. Perhaps we could also look at offering Pitcairners a home on Norfolk should the worst come to pass. While our language, lifestyle and culture is becoming more fragile each day an influx of fresh Pitcairn blood could be a great "booster" turning two negatives into a positive.

Name: Pitcairn: the real agenda
Email: -@-.-
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 April 2003
Time: 05:00:53 PM

Comments

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/705327.stm

Name: potagee
Email: .@.
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 April 2003
Time: 05:15:24 PM

Comments

Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 April 2003
Time: 01:06:12 PM

Comments

Re; Time to Tidy Up Our Affairs. We should always be looking to make savings. We can not afford to pay luxury wages to teachers - unless we NEED to off-set the higher cost of living on Norfolk to attract the teachers we need. It would be interesting to know whether Norfolk as a posting is sufficently attractive for teachers without the tax free incentive. International phone calls as an indirect tax has been standard for governments around the world, most "first world" countries gave it up when they privatised the industries, the second wave of cheaper calls is being promoted through the use of the internet. NIDS is now promoting broadband, this technology offers international calls around the world for the cost of a local call perhaps NIDS isn't offering this yet? And the way wireless broadband is set up on Norfolk through a transmitter off the mountain with relay transmitters it could double as a cell phone network which is pretty amusing after last years bout of ranting and raving over the introduction of mobile phones on the island. Still, removing another source of revenue probably isn't the way forward unless of course we replaced it with the increased revenue from cell phone transmissions. We could develop other sources of revenue, with the increasing number of wealthy people residing on the island it shouldn't have taken this long for those downtown to figure it out, but then we have those "PECUNIARY INTERESTS (either directly, through clients or backroom dealing)" to think about.

Name: VERY CONCERNED
Email: TIDYUP
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 April 2003
Time: 12:09:01 PM

Comments

HOPE THAT DURING THE ENQUIRY TO ADDRESS GOVERNANCE ON NORFOLK ISLAND THE FOLLOWING WILL BE INCLUDED THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAVE THROWN INTO THE "TOO HARD BASKET"

1) THE USING OF INTERNATIONAL CALL CHARGES AS A TAX

2) THE ANTIQUATED METHOD OFSHIPPING THAT WE ARE STILL UTILISING

3) THE RIDICULOUS TAX FREE WAGES THAT OURPERMANENT SCHOOL TEACHERS ARE PAID

4) THE PECUNIARY INTERESTS THAT SOME OF OUR LEGISLATIVE MEMBERS HAVE

5) THE LACK OF MEDICAL BENEFITS OR A DECENT SCHEME FOR NORFOLK RESIDENTS

MAYBE WE NEED "BIG BROTHER" TO STEP IN & TIDY UP THINGS HERE PROPERLY

Name: interested onlooker
Email: alang.@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 April 2003
Time: 05:07:08 PM

Comments

Perhaps you don't understand what a referendum is used for in the Commonwealth Government, and it has nothing to do with which party is in power. It is for the people to vote on proposed laws to change the Constitution. It is not used for the people to change anything and everything they don't agree with that the Government of the day is doing. You make those decisions when you vote on election day. In constitutional law you cannot change the Government by having a referendum...that isn't the purpose of it.

Name: Ironbar's gameplan?
Email: -@-.-
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 April 2003
Time: 03:00:07 PM

Comments

www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos11122.html

"HE JUST DOESN'T GET IT Poor old iron bar Tuckey, it seems the older he gets the more difficult it is for him to tolerate any opposition. As the Federal Minister for territories, he has responsibility for Norfolk Island. The folk on the island, many the descendants of the Bounty mutineers (men and women who were transferred from Pitcairn Island to Norfolk in the 1850's) have run into a little bit of trouble dealing with the minister. It seems he wants to make his mark on the islanders by unilaterally changing the relationship between them and the Commonwealth.

As a territory, Norfolk Island has a great deal of autonomy. It has its own flag, national anthem, sends its own team to the Olympics and has its own elected assembly that has a great deal of power as far as local affairs are concerned. It seems that Iron Bar Tuckey is concerned that Norfolk Island is becoming an economic backwater and the government needs to pull out all stops to drag the two and a half thousand residents into the "real" world. Something Norfolk Islanders have been resisting for decades, believing quite rightly that their unique way of life will disappear if they embrace what is laughingly termed the real world.

Tuckey and his department believe they have stumbled on the reason why investors are not willing to invest in the island. It seems that the government of the day can be loyally brought down by a citizen initiated referendum. If the local assembly decides to ignore the voters wishes and go off on their own tangent because Iron Bar and the boys and girls in the department are leaning on them, the people through a Citizen Initiated Referendum can dump the old assembly and elect a new assembly that reflects the will of the people.

No wonder Iron Bar and the Howard government are concerned. If the mainlander's got hold of this idea, their tenure would be very limited. Imagine what could happen every time a government decided to divide its election promises into core and non-core promises, once elected into office. It wouldn't be a pretty sight. It wouldn't take long before a citizen initiated referendum was held and those governments that forget they are in power to serve the people, not rule them, would find themselves out of office. No wonder Howard and his cronies are so keen to reform the Norfolk Island local assembly."

Name: back to basics:
Email: reality@check.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 22 April 2003
Time: 02:29:35 PM

Comments

Name: Amy Email: ballopoulos@hotmail.com Country: Australia Date: Monday, 21 April 2003 Time: 06:27:44 PM

Comments I have just visited Norfolk Island and found it a wonderful place!! The people are so friendly and the land and ocean so beautiful!! The history behind the island is amazing!! I can't wait to visit again!!

Name: TIME TO TIDY UP OUR AFFAIRS
Email: WHEREDOWEGO
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 April 2003
Time: 02:19:08 PM

Comments

I HOPE THAT DURING THE ENQUIRY TO ADDRESS GOVERNANCE ON NORFOLK ISLAND THE FOLLOWING WILL BE INCLUDED THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAVE THROWN INTO THE "TOO HARD BASKET"

1) THE USING OF INTERNATIONAL CALL CHARGES AS A TAX 2) THE ANTIQUATED METHOD OF SHIPPING THAT WE ARE STILL UTILISING 3) THE RIDICULOUS TAX FREE WAGES THAT OUR PERMANENT SCHOOL TEACHERS ARE PAID 4) THE PECUNIARY INTERESTS THAT SOME OF OUR LEGISLATIVE MEMBERS HAVE 5) THE LACK OF MEDICAL BENEFITS OR A DECENT SCHEME FOR NORFOLK RESIDENTS

MAYBE WE NEED "BIG BROTHER" TO STEP IN NOW COLLEEN

Name: dem tull
Email: nor_gwen_tell@ni
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 19 April 2003
Time: 07:48:29 PM

Comments

well yorlye if we're so worried about other people buying our island, maybe we should stop selling it!! it is our collective responsibility. da's da

Name: pili pili
Email: @.
Country: Iraq
Date: Thursday, 17 April 2003
Time: 04:53:02 PM

Comments

i couldnt agree with carlarn more. keep up the fight all ucklun

Name: Car Larn
Email: norlarnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 16 April 2003
Time: 01:02:38 PM

Comments

Deefa, Colleen is one of the few wealthy people on the island to spread the wealth around. She has contributed to the island in numerous ways inspite of being criticised time and again within the island itself and from off shore nobodies like you who have the cheek to come in here without a name taking cheap shots. She has consistently had a a large number of islanders on her pay role since she first arrived many years ago. She has done a great job in contributing to developing the Kentia Palm industry. A few years back she paid out a large compensation claim like the island had never seen before and still she supports us. Even the admin workers are jealous of the easy going attitude Out Yenna. What pray tell do you know about her bank balance? But if it is true I dare say she will still be there when its all gone. Because it clearly isn't the money that she can "hide" or make on Norfolk that keeps her there. Unlike alot of others I suspect

Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 16 April 2003
Time: 12:48:56 PM

Comments

Mr kelly, We might seem to be a quiet little back water but we know a b.s. artist when we see one, nevermind how elaborate the "spin". Which is to say this site doesn't offer free advertising in the forum so unless you have something of a less commercial nature to add how about sticking with the local rag and TV.

Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 16 April 2003
Time: 12:28:15 PM

Comments

Name: Deefa
Email: deefakelpi@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 16 April 2003
Time: 11:31:31 AM

Comments

Why is Colleen McCulloch Robinson so frightened of Wilson Tuckey? Has she some hidden agenda at taking a swipe at him in the local rag. Why is she feeling threatened? Perhaps the wealthy residences are a little worried their hidden wealth will be plundered by the Australian Government for the running of the island. God knows they sure need extra in the kitty these days as the purse is nearly empty. Paradise just isn't paradise these days with all the undercurrent of discontentment.

Name: Nor Larnen either
Email: noethenkyu
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 April 2003
Time: 10:24:56 AM

Comments

Re: previous entry. Dar other Nor Larnen se het ar nayl orn ar haid. "In the last 50 years we have started a new tradition which allows outsiders to come in buy up, make money and contribute relatively little to our community and economy."

Name: Graham Kelly
Email: kelly_clan@fastmail.fm
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 April 2003
Time: 04:06:07 AM

Comments

Well, I finally made it to NF... and I'm very pleased I did, for business & vacation reasons! NF is a wonderful country, with wonderful people. I'll definately be back! In fact, I eventually plan to build a home here.

Terry O'Brien: Yes, I'm related to Ned Kelly... how did you know? :)

Our alternative ecurrency project is working extremely well... check out the stats for yourself here http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html I've decided to also use the local NF TV & local press to get my message across. A number of Islanders have great products, so it kinda makes sense to promote their products world wide, with a world wide ecurrency solution.

Contact me on NF, on +6723 22118 ext 103, until Sat 19th.

Graham Kelly CEO www.GoldNow.St

Name: Damien Igoe
Email: damien_igoe@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 April 2003
Time: 09:04:58 PM

Comments

This is a letter of introduction. My name is Damien Igoe, I am currently a Mathematics, Speacial Education, Science and Computing teacher at St. Philip's College here in Alice Springs. In addition, I am involved in the school's extracurricular programs particularly involved with Science, Alternative Technology, Cricket and Mathematics Homework Help.

I believe that education ought not just be something that 'has to be done', it ought to be an experience of a lifetime - because education is an experience of a lifetime. Education can be enjoyable and dare I say - fun for not only the students and teachers but for the whole school community. Part of all subjects ought to involve improving literacy, numeracy and citizenship. This is how I approach my lesson planning and performance.

Could I please have some information about your environmental education program, some of which I viewed on the web. I am writing a proposal for a PhD on environmental education reform. Is it possible to know what people's view of environmental education is and what direction it ought to take. Thank you for your time,

Name: Nor Larnen
Email: noewspanthenkyu
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 15 April 2003
Time: 07:32:28 PM

Comments

The question of ensuring Islanders rights to our own home and land on Norfolk Island is whether we consider OURSELVES to be a real and distinct people different from the Australians and New Zealanders and others whom we have assimilated into our culture and community. We knew this was a living fact 50 years ago, and we know that today it is still genetically proven in todays Norfolk Islanders. We have our own written language and people are fond of talking about being proud Norfolk Islanders but how far does it extend these days beyond the accident of birth? As time passes a distinction is less certain, the lines are blurred and the less we hear from Islanders putting their case forward for our language and rights, in here, in the paper and in the community at large then the faster we lose our heritage. PLenti ucklan busi lamenten wathing we se lorse lorng fe all ouwas gude sullun dowen a tun. En es tru. But ent dem se tek et lorng fe dem, es wi nor se get orf ouwas poet en carry et orn.

Name: An Islander
Email: secretemail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 15 April 2003
Time: 10:04:15 AM

Comments

Thank you NIDS for attending my request. This site is really good and I love the colour! Purple is very positive, calming and soothing. Well done yorlye and keep up the good work of keeping the nasties off this site. Have a great day!! and lotsa love xxxx

Name: An Islander
Email: secretemail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 15 April 2003
Time: 08:06:48 AM

Comments

Would you folk at NIDS get rid of smooth criminal's sick comments. This person has really got mental problems and needs medical help badly. This jerk is a menace. All of his comments have been cut and pasted and forwarded on to the appropriate authorities. We will have identity details real soon. BTW NIDS, well done on this great site change. It is just a pity the likes of this ill person, smooth criminal, has access.

Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 11 April 2003
Time: 06:28:14 PM

Comments

To Rob and the folks at NIDS, thank you. Lets hope this takes care of the "problems" the forum has been experiencing of late and goes some way towards developing a better understanding between those of us who care about Norfolk.

Name: kah tull
Email: nor_whunt_em_spam
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 April 2003
Time: 07:35:44 AM

Comments

I se come ya fe check out dea forum ... and se change.....

se different.....

i hope yourley el keep all dem sullen weigh that ell talk a ceak

Name: test
Email: hellotoall
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 11 April 2003
Time: 04:00:45 AM

Comments

gdfg

Name: test
Email: yesanewforum
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 April 2003
Time: 03:56:11 AM -0400

Comments

Greetings to all of you .....

lets hope this forum brings new realistic comments with it's new look...

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 at 01:00:28
Subject: Car doo
Submission:

Hehehe gude fe si suma ouwas sullun still starn en up, ewen ef es onie fe wae fe spell dems naem. Pleese, ef yu do mine fe accept myse apologies. Simes yu Mr Skeptical ei orf shor, dars foot ei nor doen a tuwn giwen dem h e l l. En yu knoew wah? Ei beliew gwen dowun daer gwen maek bout de saem deffrence es ein ya - nune

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 22:28:25
Subject: Having said that...
Submission:

I should also add, that I agree totally with the always sagacious 'Nor Larnen' ...fut yu nor doewn'a toewn brud giwen em curry!

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 21:13:16
Subject: RE: "Reply to Nor Larnen on Norfolk Real Estate"
Submission:

Great to savour the sweet ambience of reason & moderation breathed into this Forum from time to time! - but why on earth would you not wish to put a name to such an eminently reasonable suggestion?; the LAST thing Norfolk needs is an 'indigenous' versus 'settler' divide, a la Fiji ...yet if there is any single issue which could force such a division, it would be the thorny question of 'indigenous landrights': - perhaps the very reason why our exceptionally precient forbears originally wished to hold all lands on Norfolk in "communal trust" - a wish that was originally acceded to by the Crown...only to be betrayed by "Bullshit Bill" Densison, once he realized the implications for Australia's budding "robber-baron" free market economy.

Name: One very proud Buffett
Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 21:04:00
Subject: Reply to Nor Larnen
Submission:

For your records love, it is BUFFETT not BUFFET that is B U F F E T T with 2 F's and 2 T's. Some of the grammar, spelling but more importantly English used on this site leaves a lot to be desired. I would like to think most people who use this site also use a dictionary and their spell checker. It is really laughable.

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 20:54:12
Subject: Land Reform
Submission:

Is the "problem" we are trying to solve that many islanders can't afford to buy their own homes? Or that an Australian that moved to Norfolk and worked in the bank for 3 years, then worked at a pub for 2 to get his residency papers then can't afford his own home? You bring up plenty of valid reasons why real estate controls should be introduced based on residency however I think it is important to isolate the problem which I see as the former, not the latter. I agree we should consider the rights of long term outsiders but we shouldn't be afraid to make our claims first and foremost. The condemnation of the Fijians as I heard/read of it had a lot more to do with their methods than their principles. The world has come a long way in recognising the rights of local peoples in the last 10-20years. 15 years ago no New Zealanders in their wildest dreams could have imagined the changes that have happened over there in recognising the rights of Maoris. For the record it is important to note that the tradition of allowing outsiders to settle amongst us started with the Buffets, Evans'es, Nobbs'es who married into Island families and became a part of our culture. In the last 50 years we have started a new tradition which allows outsiders to come in buy up, make money and contribute relatively little to our community and economy.

Name:
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 17:03:36
Subject: Reply to Nor Larnen on Norfolk Real Estate
Submission:

In response to your posts of 10 April and 3 April. You asked why we need to introduce restrictions based on immigration status and not race or ethnic background. It’s a good question. Land controls based on the grant by a Norfolk immigration minister of a residency permit - as opposed to restricting ownership to Norfolk Island residents of Pitcairn descent - avoids problems and appeals about international laws relating to human rights and discriminating on the basis of race or ethnicity. In developing solutions we should look at and learn from events elsewhere. The international reaction to events in Fiji and the impacts on the community and economy there is a case in point. There is also a need to recognise that achieving land reform is going to be difficult enough as it is without dividing the community and alienating those who have lived among us for many years and who are not Pitcairn descendants. As you acknowledge, proposals to restrict land ownership already face opposition on Norfolk from those 'with too much to lose'. Let's not make change impossible. Land controls based on immigration status also reflects the tradition of allowing outsiders to settle among us - which started on Pitcairn in 1823 and continued on Norfolk despite Denision's 'experiment'.

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 05:57:20
Subject: Norfolk Real Estate
Submission:

Has it been all the bollocks flying in here of late or do people on Norfolk really not care about what is happening to Real Estate prices on the island? I thought we might have an interesting thread start but it seems people don't care?

Name: original norfolk friend
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 02:19:15
Subject: whos' who
Submission:

Its getting hard to see just who is who in here. Looks like there are those wishing to prattle on in here for the sake of it. Nothing better to do obviously which is a worry!Seems we have at least one ignoramous among us that will post in and then post in again under a different moniker and answer their own original posting just to create a stir.This used to be an enjoyable stite before all the stupid hoo ha going on, some comments were even quite well thought out. Now it just seems some people are hounding this site into boredom and beyond! Give it a bloody rest!Whatever is the attraction? Go do your slagging off in the chat rooms! or possibly get a life!!!

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 00:05:02
Subject: Rankeu
Submission:

I'd say his obsession with Norfolk is due to it being his place of birth as it was for 4 or 5 generations of his people before him. What is your excuse? you apparently can't understand the Norfolk langauge, have only ever come in here taking cheap shots at others. A quick scroll down shows you have never actually submitted an opinion on anything other than to slag off others. For now you are in the same league at smooth criminal who we now know to be a sick pervert based on the nsw east coast. How about having something real to say about Norfolk and the issues that it faces, being as you are a resident there. Perhaps you could actually have an original thought yourself?

Name: Norfolk Resident
Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2003 at 00:01:53
Subject: Rankeu's Forum
Submission:

there's obviously been a terrible mistake in the naming of this Forum, Rob - or is 'Rankeu' NIDS newly appointed Chief Censor?

Name: Rankeu
Email:hosta@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 at 06:51:52
Subject: "joe flynn"
Submission:

As I've said before "Joe" at least use your own name not mine. I'll bet you have never had an original idea in your life, that's why you are always quoting others and employing the old cut and paste wherever you appear. Do you spend your whole life posting to forums? You certainly are a low life. Why do you have an obsession with Norfolk...leave it alone.

Name: Rankeu
Email:hosta@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 at 05:34:58
Subject: "joe flynn"
Submission:

You are as I said laughable....no one, and I repeat no one on Norfolk would write that rubbish you moron....get off here.

Name: dorgs cork
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 at 04:00:04
Subject: es tru, yankee goe hoem
Submission:

unae, foot yu nor start. Ei nort knoew half a wathing he bin write (joe ulla skeptical ullas what awa es his naem) en glaed fe see et. ef yu nor like et, jes up start

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 at 03:01:16
Subject: & furthermore, could this be the REAL agenda:
Submission:

" Herb Ford also believes the British Government wouldn't be too disappointed to see the end of the Island community. .... HERB FORD: The thought I have in my mind is that there is some conspiracy going on here to, through this terrible matter, bring the island to its end, so that in the future the United Kingdom won't have to anymore concern itself about cantankerous people on Pitcairn, and they can set up tourism or whatever they want to, and give mineral rights to the underwater areas around Pitcairn and all that, without having people that they have to answer to on the island." """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" cf: http://www.goasiapacific.com/location/pacific/GoAsiaPacificLocationPacStorie_826671.htm """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" "Glynn Christian, the great-great-great-great grandson of the mutineers' leader, told journalists in New Zealand that Britain was trying to destroy a community that had long been a nuisance. The sexual abuse charges, he said, were based on a completely different set of cultural values." http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4466626,00.html

Name: Rankeu
Email:hosta@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 at 02:58:55
Subject: "Joe Flynn"
Submission:

My goodness, you've sure been busy again "Joe". Why not take a rest, everyone has read all this garbage. Have you just stumbled upon it, you seem so consumed by it all! None of it's news "Joe". Find something more interesting to do with yourself you moron.

Name: normatta
Email:normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 at 01:36:47
Subject: blow ins...
Submission:

Es "looken orn", nort "looking orn". How do you get off coming in here pointing your finger at us or anybody else. Turn on your TV and own up to the ills of your own society before coming in here being high and mighty. It looks like this case which has dragged out over several years already neednt go any further if this all knowing Australian is to be believed they are all guilty! Lets hope this isn't the case and that those charged are judged fairly, not according to the prudish standards of our all pervasive judeao/christian culture (yes those who are currently crusading) but are sensitive to pacific cultural mores. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is time for a software upgrade to help stall these cowards, but one wonders if the powers that be don't get a certain amount of perverse pleasure in seeing this stuff up here!

Name: Ess True
Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, April 7, 2003 at 23:16:09
Subject: Reply to Nunna
Submission:

Hear Hear - I couldn't agree more. This forum is a very bad advertisement for the island and its people. If proper management rules were put in place, this site would be a whole lot more positive.

Name: Nunna
Email:mineyusplett@hotmail.com
Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, April 7, 2003 at 19:24:27
Subject: Forum Entries
Submission:

Who ever is in charge of this forum site should be utterly ashamed for allowing some of the content to be entered onto this site. Yes sure,...this may well be a forum site, but if you look around other forums on the www, they are well policed and monitored. Entries similar to some aired on this site would be removed by those in charge. Maybe someone should direct this site to some of the world wide web Adminstrators for editing and proofing. This forum will definitely be the main contributor for people not to visit the island and what a shame as Norfolk is a beautiful place it is just full of whingers, spongers and negativity. Isn't it strange what money and greed can do in a society. Poor Norfolk and those dear departed loved ones. None of this happened when they were around.

Name: A Local
Date: Sunday, April 6, 2003 at 20:05:22
Subject: Ex Resident, Aus; Sun 06 April
Submission:

Here we go again - another expert who must have slept through developments of the last few months and therefore comes to the easiest conclusion "...there is a cover up by family members who are protecting the guilty". Ex-resident why do you think that compulsory fingerprinting has not been introduced to force the quarter of the population that declined the call for this data? Have you given some thought to that in light of what the media has reported. To make it easier for you look at the words of Bob Peters. They should tell you that they have run out of forensic information. There is nothing more to identify. Therefore twit they have already matched the print that was on the plastic with someone that had volunteered. They must have also decided that that person had a valid reason for having a print where it was. So can you tell me what is to be achieved from obtaining the other fingerprints. (dont worry I willingly gave of mine in case you think I am hiding something!) Ive got a sneaking suspicion that Neddy Smith is the only person onto this - I agree with him the more you look the cloudier some things are eg times etc etc. Maybe shifting the focus may elucidate a clearer view. As Ive said previously - finger pointing is ignorant crap. If the people working this case can't proceed then we need to engage the services of someone suitably qualified who has the confidence they can take the next step. I do not mean that in a derogatory way but I do want to make the point that it is perfectly acceptable when you cant achieve something yourself that you employ/ purchase that service from someone else who can. Why does this investigation need to be any different? If you like watching Crime type documentaries you will know that this case would seem to be standard to some experts in this profession. At least this way all of the innocent people that are being dragged down with this case may look forward to returning to their "normal" lifestyle.

Name: Ex Resident
Australia
Date: Sunday, April 6, 2003 at 07:43:43
Subject: Fast Tracking Investigation
Submission:

It seems to me steps have to be taken to have everyone who did not take part in the finger & palm printing previously undertaken to be forced by an act of local government to compulsary provide prints for accessment by Federal Police Forensics. Its either all residents or as it is at the moment a joke. Decisions have to be taken to force the issue and clear up this investigation once and for all. Yes I believe there is a cover up by family members who are protecting the guilty. Cut the 'pussy footing' around and go to it those of you in the Police on Norfolk. You have to rise above being friendly with the locals and take a ascertive approach - you may be surprised what you may turn up when you get tough and let all know you are turning the screws finally. There is a wall of silence - it goes back many many years, fear of payback, too many family ties and too many secrets swept under the carpet. Bring it all out into the open. Pitcairn is not alone with its current problems - things of similar nature also apply to Norfolk Island.

Name: Islander Abroad
lorng waey oer yenna
Date: Saturday, April 5, 2003 at 01:01:42
Subject: Norfolk Island's mushroom ordeal: kept in the dark & dumped on from a great height with bullshit
Submission:

Detective-Sergeant Bob Peters what are you conducting over there - a criminal investigation or a Star Chamber? On the one hand, you are continually slandering the Islanders by insinuating that they are all accessories to murder as part of a conspiracy of silence to protect the killer, yet on the other, you present no evidence whatsoever for this imputation. When the truth of this matter comes to light, I hope your following statements come back to haunt you. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Effectively the investigation remains centred on the Islanders and as much as the community hopes it wasn’t one of them, Australian homicide statistics suggest it probably was. On Norfolk Island there’s a great tradition of looking the other way, or as others say, ‘letting it lie’. Some locals are surprised this investigation is still going on, others are haunted by such a suggestion. When told that many Islanders fear the case will never be solved, that the secret will never be revealed, Bob Peters finally says what many suspect, that someone, somewhere is holding back crucial information. Bob Peters: The only way we can solve this, unless there’s a forensic breakthrough will be with the assistance of the Norfolk Island population. Tim Latham: Do you believe that there’s people on the Island who possibly have information and haven’t come forward? Bob Peters: I strongly suspect that, yes. Tim Latham: And do you believe that information could be crucial to providing a breakthrough? Bob Peters: Yes. Tim Latham: And do you believe it’s fear that’s keeping them quiet? Bob Peters: If they have that knowledge and they’re hiding it and keeping it to themselves, there could be a variety of motivations for that, from fear, loyalty, disinterest.

Name: Neddy Smith
Location: Long Bay,Date: Friday, April 4, 2003 at 04:28:36
Subject: RE: 'A Local'
Submission:

well said - there's something contrived about this post: _________________________________________________________________________________ Name: A good friend Australia Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 04:40:36 Subject: Unsolved Murder Submission: _________________________________________________________________________________
would a real "A good friend" ostensibly making an emotional plea, really title the message with something as clinical & impersonl as: "Unsolved Murder"?? ...I wonder if that same "A good friend" would care to respond to this question. The more I study this case, the less things seem to add up ...particularly the timeline relating to the whereabouts & reponses of some of the key players.

Name: Terry O'Brien
England
Date: Friday, April 4, 2003 at 00:38:10
Subject: Ned Kelly
Submission:

I see Ned Kelly is on the way after the Gold Again. My advice is sew up you pockets real quick like!

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Friday, April 4, 2003 at 00:01:02
Subject: addenda:edit (Rob - what's the point of censoring the word for the place that looks like it's going to freeze over before this case is solved???
Submission:

"The authorities are over twelve months into this investigation. With what result? A head in the sand attitude will only prolong the living HADES that all who have been drawn into this tradgedy, have had to endure."

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne , Australia
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 23:53:56
Subject: Response to 'Nor Larnen' & 'Asonished'
Submission:

With the greatest of respect - I think you've both missed my 'point'; at the risk of labouring it, let me spell it out: anyone who's been following this case closely - as I have, albeit from a considerable distance - cannot help but note that this has been a 'hunch-driven' investigation from day one ...the 'hunch' being that this crime was committed by a 'local' KNOWN -perhaps intimately- to the victim. This prima facie "copper's hunch" appears to have grown like topsy from unstated assumption to the basic premise upon which the entire investigation has been constructed: hence the 'counter-efficient' primary focus on finger printing & alibiing the (numerically larger & therefore more resource/time-costly) )entire resident population rather than 600-680 transient-strangers who were also on the Island on that fateful day. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My 'point' is, that by basing & prosecuting this investigation on a possibly (I'm prepared to go out on a limb & say probably) ERRONEOUS premise, is that the dogs of law end up barking up the wrong tree.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I raise the 'coincidental' timing of this homicide, precisely to illustrate the point that ALL possible motives should be canvassed ...as opposed to 'locking-in' any particular one or two: ____________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ Just have a look at some of the language of the Background Briefing report which prompted my initial post: **************************************************************************************
it’s a place bursting with gossip, half-truths and a dark, unspoken secret: As we’re about to hear, the police investigating this case, and Janelle’s parents, believe someone on the Island knows who the killer is. But fear, loyalty or disinterest is keeping them quiet." Police now admit a breakthrough will only come when the silence is broken. Janelle’s mother, Carol Patton. Carol Patton: I firmly believe that there is someone on this island, there are some people who know what happened, and I just feel that maybe some people are afraid to come forward because they don’t want to be seen talking to the police, or they don’t want to be seen to be perhaps dobbing in somebody or it must be almost a fear amongst some people that they don’t want to do that." ************************************************************************************* JESUS WEPT - & YOU ACCUSE ME OF JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!! ...why don't we just round up the lynch-posse & holler for the Hanging Judge!! .......... _____________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________ I reiterate, my appeal is for EVERYONE to keep an OPEN MIND ...it may well be that the curious 'timing' of this murder is indeed significant - it may equally as well, be not. I am well connected with Norfolk Island & I know as well as you do that there are NO occult or neo-pagan sects on either Norfolk, Nepean or Phillip; ...however, we certainly DO NOT KNOW anything about the 'religious' affiliations of the WELL OVER SIX HUNDRED TRANSIENT-STRANGERS who were on the Island on the day of the murder. I am simply saying that this is a possible line of inquiry which should be investigated & - if warranted - eliminated; according to best-practice standards of criminal investigation. No more, no less. .....Above all, NO ONE should be cowed into silence for fear of encroaching on the sensibilities of anyone else with an interest in this case. The authorities are over twelve months into this investigation. With what result? A head in the sand attitude will only prolong the living censored that all who have been drawn into this tradgedy, have had to endure.

Name: A local
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 19:52:22
Subject: "A Good Friend" Mon 31 March
Submission:

It has admittedly been a few weeks since I visited this site and I somewhat surprised with some of the things being said but I have to admit to taking exception to the entry from "A good friend" on March 31st related obviously to the Janelle Paton disaster. Whilst I appreciate your frustration at a loss not yet explained I think you would be wise to consider that this has not just affected the Paton's lives in fact it has had a huge impact on our whole island which you may have established is primarily - its people. I agree Janelle's family shouldnt have to go through this torment but neither should we. I am tired of people saying that we are hiding something or protecting the guilty - to make that sort of accusation is not to understand the way of our people. As far as your comment "those of you who aimed to slander Janelle after her death by making up a good story knowing it would go into print should be ashamed of yourselves" - I think you highlight your ignorance. Perhaps you didnt know Janelle as well as you thought! Whilst you think that you are hard done by perhaps you could consider who else is suffering as a result. I would suggest that you stop pointing that finger of yours and close that nasty mouth - imagine if you had to return to this forum one day and apologise to the very people that you are venting your anger at. Good friend dare I say it but the Paton's are just like the rest of us - they were on the island (for the 1st time in Janelle's happy 2.5 yrs) and until this is solved they are every bit a suspect too. Bet you dont like us making those accusations your way so lets show some mutual respect here.

Name: normatta
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 07:07:13
Subject: Cheers, Mr Skeptical
Submission:

Lets hope the police arent as narrow minded as these lot. As Ned pointed out a few days ago, there were 600 visitors on the island at that time. Every possible motive should be explored. Especially after a year and apparently no end in sight.

Name: Astonished
Australia
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 06:13:19
Subject: Reply to Mr. SKEPTIKAL
Submission:

I would suggest you make an appointment with a shrink mate, what planet are you on???? Next you will be claiming there are some on NI practicing VOODOO!!!!

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 05:25:53
Subject: mr skeptical
Submission:

What a load of censored mr skeptical. I cant believe you have the audacity to even suggest that Jannelle's murder had anything to do with Easter. I take offence to the sheer blasphemy of your statements. Iadvice you to retract your comment or lose the respect of the whole of the island.

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne , Australia
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 05:08:52
Subject: RE: Detective Sergeant Bob Peters lists three possible motives to Janelle Patton’s death:
Submission:

Its not so much a matter of "doing better", as of at least ATTEMPTING to 'think outside the square'. After twelve months of intensive investigation the Detective Sergeant lists three possible motives (1) revenge (2) lust (3) chance. ...Yawn. Average Criminology 101 stuff. ... I find it absolutely amazing that in all the reams of police/media verbiage on this case NOT ONCE has there been any |_speculation_| on the possible significance of the 'timing' of this murder: ie. at around the meridian (apparently) of the holiest of High Holy Days of the Christan Calendar - Easter Sunday. The Day of Ressurection according to Christian Dogma & - following hard on the Vernal Equinox - a day of the greatest significance for a slew of occult & neo-pagan cults. It is also climax of the Festival of Ishtar (pronounced Easter) the Akkadian Goddess of Fertility etc. (referred to in the Bible as "the Whore of Babylon") ...the Big Kahuna-Mamma for countless fruitloop New-Age sects. I am NOT saying that this was some kind of ritualistic sacrifice by a Wickerman-whacko ...but I AM saying keep an open mind. cf: http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 04:15:26
Subject: Norfolk Real Estate
Submission:

Why would we need to introduce restrictions based on immigration status and NOT race or ethnic background? Surely Norfolk Island is still recognized as the homeland of the Pitcairn/Bounty descendents and such legislation should be primarily aimed at protecting their right to having their own home and land on their island? Surely this is the main thrust of the legislation on other Pacific Islands (or is Fiji now looking out for kiwis that immigrated in the 60¡¦s or Indians in the 19th century for that matter?). This has been needed for a long time, but one wonders if the reason we have not seen such legislation from the powers that be is because the majority of them are landowners with too much to lose through such legislation, thus bringing about the rise of a ¡§slave wage tenant¡¨ class of Islander to paraphrase Mr. Flynn. If we are going to stop the rot this is a very good place to start.

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 01:32:09
Subject: Detective Sergeant Bob Peters lists three possible motives to Janelle Patton’s death:
Submission:

I've just read the transcript of Background Briefing's singularly unedifying spin on the Patton homicide case at: ... http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s821848.htm ... Tim Latham: Four hours after last being seen, Janelle Patton was dead, her body left in a grassy reserve, fully clothed and partially wrapped in a black sheet of builder’s plastic. She was not sexually assaulted. But was it an attempted rape that ended in murder? _______________________________________________________________________________________ Detective Sergeant Bob Peters lists three possible motives to Janelle Patton’s death. Bob Peters: That it was a personal attack on Janelle out of revenge, or a personal attack on Janelle out of lust, or by chance, or that Janelle was just the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time. And really, until we can identify the person or the persons responsible, they only remain theories. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Tim Latham: Would you say the state of the investigation has stalled? Bob Peters: No, I don’t. I don’t say it’s stalled. The flow of information obviously has subsided, but in an investigation like this where you’ve got no eye-witnesses, where you’ve got no firm motive, and where you’ve got no firm forensic evidence that’s going to positively identify the offender, it’s a matter of patience and persistence as much as anything, and it’s an old police adage from way back that you ‘walk, walk, walk and talk, talk, talk’, and it’s not something that’s going to go away from this Island for a long while. It’s had an effect on their community, on their lifestyle, and obviously a disastrous effect on Janelle’s family. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And I have to say I'm not encouraged that a breakthrough is imminent. There appears to be VERY little cogently analytical or heuristically lateral, brain-power underwriting this investigation.

Name:
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2003 at 01:01:31
Subject: Get Real
Submission:

Lets use this forum for what is meant for - to discuss issues and matters important to Norfolk instead indulging egos on trivialities and trading insults How about this for an topic? Why doesn’t Norfolk Island introduce restrictions on who can buy land on Norfolk Island? This would prevent locals being priced out of the market and ensure that Norfolk Islanders can still afford to live on their Island. Norfolk has the power under the Norfolk Island Act to pass laws to restrict all future land sales to residents and to provide that non-residents and corporations can lease land from residents for up to 25 years instead of buying it outright. Exceptions could be made for land willed to non-residents and other special cateqories. This would provide an objective and nondiscriminatory system of restrictions based on immigration status, not citizenship, race or ethnic background. Other Pacific Island communities have introduced restrictions on land ownership similar to these. This is what happens to crown land on Norfolk - about one third of the Island. Only people declared residents or given a GEP under Norfolk's Immigration Act can obtain a lease over Crown land. The Commonwealth agreed to this system years ago. There are other options. On the Channel Island of Guernsey, 80% of the land can only be sold to locals; the other 20% is open to all. The first keeps the price of land commensurate with islanders can pay; the second allows people to get whatever the open market will bare What do you think?

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 at 23:12:11
Subject: Rejoinder to 'Concerned'
Submission:

re: "...so we can all participate in interesting discussions on current topics of interest." ...instead of indulging your censorious wowser-reflex, WHY DONT YOU BLUDDY-WELL START SUCH A THREAD!! As for potential tourists being 'scared-off' by some of the tripe which surfaces in here, my guess is that most real tri-dimensional people would prefer 'Paradeisos' with an honest, gritty social-realist edge to it, than a fake DisneyLand gloss!

Name:
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 at 22:27:53
Subject: new norfolk website
Submission:

Check out http://www.dotars.gov.au/terr/norfolk/index.htm

Name: Concerned
Australia
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2003 at 01:21:42
Subject: Ratbags participating in this Forum
Submission:

Web site operator, can't you do something to rid this site of these menaces who are making this Forum a disgrace. What example does this show to all the possible travellers to your island. Like the worrying things going on in your little isle at present wouldn't it be in your interest to block these people from making entries in the future so we can all participate in interesting discussions on current topics of interest.

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne , Australia
Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 23:45:08
Subject: addenda
Submission:

it should be pointed out that by referring to Huff's mother's Alzheimer’s disease, I mean the lady no disrespect - she, after all contributed only 50% of Stephen's genes (well, perhaps also the odd extra chromosome) - I make this reference simply to note that, as the disease is hereditary, Huff himself, may well be suffering from "Early Onset Alzheimer's" (Alzheimer’s disease is a complex pathology that affects brain function; approx. 4 million Americans are known to have the disease), which would account for his - otherwise inexplicable - fixation with this Forum _____________________________________________________________________________________ ...the bottom line is that by responding to, or even acknowledging Stephen's pathological symptoms, you ipso facto encourage them

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 23:03:54
Subject: Stephen D. (for "Dickhead", perhaps) Huff (born April 5, 1960) - lives in Houston Texas
Submission:

Stephen D. Huff (aka. "smooth criminal" et.al.), is a failed Silicon-Valley wannabee (cf. his "corporate" :) - dars a goodun :] - website at: http://www.epsilon-softworks.cc ....Huff is a rather sad loser whose only friend appears to be his munky-bot which has been annoying professional Webmaster's for a couple of years now - one of whom had this to say about the Huffster: "I haven't decided yet whether this is a 12-year-old kid with no friends or a 35-year-old guy living in his parent's basement (also with no friends). But anybody who signs his spam "Super Genius from Outer Space" is certainly missing a few bulbs from his chandelier." ...which is probably as good a psycho-profile of Huff as you're likely to get without having to pay a shrink :] ... Curiously he once gave his contact details to the Network Solutions Registrar WHOIS service as: Stephen D. Huff 2001 Gemini #1806 Houston, Texas 77058 US 214-418-7589 ... which contains a Dallas, not a Houston area code - this 43 year old kid is evidently very lost. Also, his mum is dying of Alzheimers & his 'girlfriend' (ironically a Ms. McCoy) has left him - for reasons that should be obvious. ______________________________________________________________________________________ BUT WHAT HAS REALLY RATTLED THIS MUNKY'S CHAIN IS THAT 'JOE FLYNN' HAS EXPOSED HIM & REVEALED HIS PATHETIC IDENTITY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO LAUGH AT ...whereas he has been unable (& will never be able) to reveal who 'Joe Flynn' is :)

Name: One of Ucklun
Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 22:54:34
Subject: Smooth Criminal
Submission:

It just goes to show how ignorant you really are by calling yourself what you do and also the fact that you are attempting to speak and write in our language. Don't bother, becasue just like you, none of it makes any sense and certainly highlights your outright ignorance and stupidity. Grow up and get a life you ignoramus. (I hope you have the intellect to understand what I have written)

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 21:09:31
Subject: Smooth
Submission:

"Never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down and beat you with experience"

Name: Another one who is sick of Smooth Criminal
Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 20:05:38
Subject: Pathetic Smooth Criminal
Submission:

We don't borrow words from anyone buddy especially you!!. All of us feel so sorry for you, and don't worry, once your identity and location is revealed, you will go for such a skate. Wait and see. You will wish you had never visited this site you pathetic ignorant senseless and idle bonehead!! SO Rack Off!!!!!

Name: A good friend
Australia
Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 at 04:40:36
Subject: Unsolved Murder
Submission:

The memory of a happy wonderful girl Janelle Patton lives on. You the out of control mongrel who took her life in such a vicious way 12 months ago, you may think you have got away with it but you will be found out - your life will never be free of the guilt it will send you crazier than you already are (do you sleep well at night?) I beg for anyone on Norfolk who has any information doesn't matter if you think it is trivial it could be an important piece of evidence. Please go to the police as this needs to be cleared up so Ron & Carol Patton can put it behind them and try and live out the rest of their lives with the satisfaction that someone has been punished for the dreadful crime that took from them their only daughter. TO THE GUILTY ..... be assured you will drop your bundle someday and confess the guilt as it will eat away at you. Mr Patton made a heartfelt plea on 2UE radio in Sydney today, I wish you all on Norfolk could have heard it he was a shattered father begging for the guilty or those protecting them to come forward and clear this crime up. If you have any decency left go to the police and tell all you know. Janelle's family should not have to go through this torment just because the guilty haven't got the guts to own up but choose to hide behind others to hide their crime. Norfolk Island needs to rid itself of the killer and those who protect them - it has brought shame and disgust to all who visit and the many good citizens of this beautiful island. Also the recent article in this past weekends paper was very ruthless and those who gave this information to the Telegraph should check facts before giving your stories to journalists. Those of you who aimed to slander Janelle after her death by making up a good story knowing it would go into print should be ashamed of yourselves.

Name: Norfolk Fus
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 20:06:56
Subject: Rankeu = 5 min wonder?
Submission:

Why would you want to publicise your ignorance in that you can't be certain who anyone in here is. One thing for sure, if you read Joes previous submissions he aint smooth criminal. Beyond that what qualfies anyone to come in here and tell others to get out? Last time I looked across the top of my screen its said "Norfolk Island Forum", and I expect to speak for the majority of people in here in saying Norfolk Islanders are especially welcome to come in here to share their views. More power to Joe, from my deductions he is an intelligent, computer literate islander from the old school, born pre World War II. Which is the last of the best of our people and they should be respected and appreciated. If you can't do that then you are a very good example of the "sickness" of the world that is destroying our culture. Joe, domine dem gut noe mannas en carwhose dem. Dea es da seam fight wi gwen hata tek te dem ef wi gwen lew orn ouwas islen en ouwas wea. Plees du do di wea ouwas gracious ole sullun bin en let dem goe, but continue on with your interesting and thought provoking submission.In other words, ignore the backgound noise.

Name: normatta
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 10:53:10
Subject: Rankeu, Emma Bunting etal
Submission:

As was pointed out here once before - who cares what names you use, and even if you answer yourself all that matters in here is what is said - not who says it. Yes there is plenty of tripe - so what. As for telling Joe to get out of here, he has shown his credentials every time he makes a submission. If you care to read what he has said - and understand any of it you will know that he is more qualified than any of us to be in here (I won't comment on smooth criminal as I assume we can all see through that fool). From what I have seen Joe's command of the Norfolk language, his obvious passion and love for our island and it's hertitage, his sheer knowledge of our history - and not what you have seen in hollywood movies but our Otaheitan heritage, qualifies him to be in here saying what he damn well pleases. I guess the question now begs what do you have to say for yourself about Norfolk and the imporant issues we face?

Name:
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 05:06:27
Subject: Anzac Day
Submission:

How does Norfolk Island commemorate Anzac Day?

Name: Fra. OPV
Email:419@nigeriapolice.org
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 00:27:20
Subject: Understanding the Pitcairn/Norfolk Historical Experience
Submission:

vis-a-vis the previous post, I wonder just how many of the younger Pitcairner Descendant generation (let alone auslander settlers) have anything but the most superficial grasp & understanding of the deeper significance of the Pitcairn/Norfolk historical experience??? ...WWII, of course, changed everything; but right up until that epochal watershed, there was a clearly discernible, if not always perfectly understood or articulated motif to the Pitcairner-Pilgrim's Progress: the teleological unfolding of Christian's/Young's revolutionary *_Arcardian-Communitarian Vision_* for their little band of exiles in the Pure Land which their Tahitian consorts knew of as 'Matakiterangi'; both Christian & Young - as educated English Gentry - would have been well aware of (& perhaps suffused with??) the central tenets of Rousseau's 'Discourse on the Origins & Foundations of Inequality Among Men', published in 1755 ...the more I delve into the copious 'Bountiana' literature, the more I'm convinced that these two men in particular, experienced a mystical epiphany on the shores of Matavai Bay - to put it briefly, in the vernacular, they 'turned native' ...the transformative power & passion of a still-pristine Otaheitan High-Culture had worked it's mysterious alchemy on these two privileged blue-bloods; just as it had on Louis Antoine de Bougainville (whose rapturous account of 'Nouvelle Cythera' was one of the catalysts which precipitated the French Revolution of 1789) ...we all know, of course, that the *_Arcardian-Communitarian Vision_* turned lethally sour in the latter years of the 1790's ...but that's another story entirely (as the sages say, the Highway to censored is paved with good intentions); ...that quintessential 'Jack Tar' the cockney sea-dog & hardman Jack Adams stumbled once more into the breach revived The Vision with a mystical/manichaen interpretation (goodbye Hooch, hello Jejovah) [to be continued]

Name: Norfolk Fus
Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 at 19:27:56
Subject: Lubbe Norfolk
Submission:

Great to see you wading into the fray. And nice to see a father proud of his son's hertitage I hope it extends to them learning our language and growing up living a Norfolk lifestyle. Too many of our young parents and off spring don't realise that it's not simply the blood but the way we live and bring our children up that matters.

Name: Frater Omnia Pro Veritate
Email:419@nigeriapolice.org
Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 23:56:53
Subject: Fra. Joseph Flynn esq.
Submission:

greetings compadres, I'm pleased to report infrequent contact with Fra. Joseph Flynn via the nether reaches of the astral cyber-plane & he sends his warmest regards; for reasons of state he will be remaining generally incommunicado, but will on occasion, through various mediums offer his humble opinion on the dispensation of that Light Unto the Nations: Norfolk's Fair Isle - in the meantime wouldn't it be wonderful to see idealistic, committed young Islanders, like 'Ess Me', 'Normatta' & 'Norfuk Fus' et.al. with a "paershun fe Norfuk in ar oel waey" running for the Legislative Assembly & returning Norfolk to the true communitarian 'social-democracy' it once was

Name: normatta
Email:normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou.com
Location: Orf Shor,Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 18:48:23
Subject: comments
Submission:

Modernity is another way of putting it. Indigenous peoples around the world have had their innocent ways taken advantage of by "advanced" cultures bringing in "modernity" since time immemorial. Only 2 generations ago Norfolk was an agricultural society, the major thrust of the changes to "modernity" came from the influx of outsiders, many of whom made lots of money at it! and still are! We could be so lucky to have Mr Flynn in here making intelligent and insightful observations once again. Sick of Mugu - Mugu is a BOT, it is not a person but a piece of software, though hoisting it into space on the end of a skewer is a wonderful idea. But we are stuck with him until there is an upgrade on this antiquated software. Naturally there is a possibility of a local being involved in this murder, after all have we not embraced "modernity". It has been appalling to come in here finding accusations being made against locals, now we have people swearing it definately isn't. How silly.

Name: Ess Me
Norfolk
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 15:22:57
Subject: Reply to Rankeu
Submission:

Top of the forum!! We never really did lose "our" Joe Flynn. He has always been around. He is a very handy tool, as he can trace people's identity and get them expelled by their superiors especially those who spam. We cannot be without him. Unae Joe?? I know whose yu enn yu know whose me. Se time yu come back hoem.

Name: Mr Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 03:25:45
Subject: Nor Larnen & those pesky Ozkiwi blow-ins
Submission:

Is it Ozkiwi blow-ins or 'modernity' in general which is at the root of trouble in paradise? My understanding is that Norfolk has always had pretty tough immigration criteria, so I'm not sure how really bad bastards like Neddy Smith could have gotten in - unless there's a shonky "backdoor" of some kind. Most of the expatriates I've met are ex bank-johnnies from Oz or salt of the earth master-tradesmen types from NZ ... hardly hard-core underworld material!! My guess is that youth on Norfolk - like most youth everwhere - goes through an antisocial activity phase which probably seems worse than it really is because of the relatively tiny size of the Island.

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Monday, March 24, 2003 at 12:58:33
Subject: Lubbe Norfolk
Submission:

"the awful changes that have happened to our paradise in the last 50 years since we allowed wholesale immigration to our island by Aussies and Kiwis? You asked for the truth..." hardly points to those of you who have married into local families, that was suggested by "one who knows". I was thinking about the previously labelled "unsavory characters who immigrated to Norfolk in the 60's. Though there has been a heck of a lot of damage done to our place by some of you, particularly those who were voted in downtown "simes a wolf in a sheeps clorth". Nobody can make wholesale accusations against any outsiders marrying in, I like most have a mother and a grandfather from the mainland. But if the shoe fits...

Name: Lubbe Norfolk
Email:shonky@dodo.com.au
Australia
Date: Monday, March 24, 2003 at 06:15:29
Subject: Norfolk
Submission:

Hey yorlyey - Well what a lot of experts we have living on Norfolk now. I'm one of those 'so-called' wannabe islanders from Australia who married a Norfolk Islander. First of all - 'NOR LARNEN"- if us mainlanders didn't marry into your island, you would all be "SIX FINGERED BANJO PLAYERS" by now. None of us - ('ONE WHO KNOWS'- NORT) are 'wannabe islanders'. We do still have ties to the mainland, as in parents & siblings, but have children of island decent. I am proud to be an Australian, but also I am just as proud of my sons being NORFOLK ISLANDERS. I love Norfolk Island & it's beautiful people, but how racist of you two, to say all the trouble started when Aussies & kiwis moved there. As far as the murder of Janelle Patton goes, there is no way in the world an islander would cover up for someone who committed such an evil act. The half-wit who suggested such an outrage is a total dickhead. Norfolk has been sadly confronted with the problems of the outside world. For those, like myself, who had the pleasure of living in paradise (Norfolk Island) and experiencing a crime free lifestyle - are indeed very lucky. Janelle's murder is a true mystery, and the good people of Norfolk would like nothing better than to have it solved. Arson happens everywhere in the world and I'm sure Sir Gallahad or whoever he is, was not targeted for any reason and the sullen who committed the crime will be duly punished. (If the cops can find him or her or them!) Sorry had to have a little dig at the cops. One last thing - Why dont you listen to Neddy Smith - he, after all has a bit of expertise in this field - he just might be able to find out who the murderer is!!! He too agrees it was not an islander, so why do all you other moronic idiots keep suggesting it is. Whew - cant wait for the feed back on this. Hey are you the real Neddy Smith?

Name: john
Email:pomare8@hotmail.com
Location: auckland, N.Z.
Date: Monday, March 24, 2003 at 04:52:26
Subject: not after your land
Submission:

hi there everybody well i'm not a kiwi. i'm a new zealand maori,just letting u know i'm not after any of your land for i have my own in n.z.but i understand some of the views on your land,we as maori people have had our land taken away from us because people think that because you've lived here for a long time,they r intitiled to this land,well as far as i'm concerned,the people that should be intitled to this land is norfolk islanders only,we have a law in nz you can't sell Maori Land,and thats most of N.Z.AND MY GIRLFRIEND IS A NORFOLK ISLANDER AND A BLOODY GOOD 1 TO.Because she understands my culture and i understand hers.

Name: Who Givsa
Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 15:51:46
Subject:
Submission:

Why can't Norfolk create and enforce rules & policies like the mainland? By this I mean for the safety of the people, pass a Bill whereby any or all of the jerks who "get off" on road rage and black tyre marks on our roads have their vehicles and licences confiscated for 3-6 months. This is now happening in Melbourne & other cities. It certainly shows the jerks "who is boss and makes them GROW UP?? [or does it I wonder]. It is about time Norfolk did something to stop all the crap that the young?? [and not so young] idiots are doing to ruin this island of ours. Let's do something now before someone or some innocent people are killed.

Name: normatta
Date: Saturday, March 22, 2003 at 06:10:47
Subject: Dano
Submission:

Thanks for your considerate thoughts and opinions. Heavens knows we desperately need a fresh perspective in here! It is very disappointing to consider the coppers might have bungled the investigation. For the "5min Wonders" it's worth remembering the media aren't interested in anything except a story; however they need to "spin" it to incite the ¡§masses¡¨ (yes you who have just typed NI into your search engines and found yourselves in here ready to publicise your ignorant assumptions). Equally, ignore the spin put forth below on the N.I. Government¡¦s reward offering $50,000 for information leading to the capture of the guilty person/s. It isn¡¦t because they believe it to be a local still on the island but because it¡¦s a smart thing to do, they represent the people and the people want the culprit caught, it's a small price to pay if it makes a difference.

Name: Dano
Email:bil29jo3@hotmail.com
Location: Denver, USA
Date: Saturday, March 22, 2003 at 05:23:06
Subject: the murder
Submission:

You all still live in eden compared to Denver. Our local homocide cops would have solved the murder within 48 hours. Experience counts. we have lots of murders here, they get lots of practice. Up in Boulder, Jon-Benet was murdered, an obvious crime by the parents, but the police there have so few murders and have little experience in that area and they obviously bungled the investigation badly. I guess you're in the same boat with Boulder. It must be nice to have so little crime. But when it happens your police are unprepared for it. Read the book 'Homocide' by Simon. It's about homocide police in Baltimore. Then you'll see why experienced cops could solve your murder. And you'll also see why even still you still live in Eden. A serial murderer killed a man in my apartment building 10 years ago. He was let out of prison and killed another guy last summer a few blocks away. Bless you good people there. I wish I could find my way to your little island. But I am cursed already, I am too hard and cynical now. but I know a good thing when I see it. Once again, bless you good poeple there

Name: Eddy
Email:ed366@gmx.de
Location: Berlin, Germany
Date: Friday, March 21, 2003 at 11:46:48
Subject: zzz
Submission:

Hi there, just man to say "hello". You bulit a great site - keep it up. casino Many greetings

Name: One who knows
Australia
Date: Friday, March 21, 2003 at 07:17:03
Subject: Reply to Nor Larnen
Submission:

Perhaps its not the Aussies & Kiwis who have moved in on your precious island, but the marriages of locals to Aussies & Kiwis that is the trouble, they want a foot in each camp 'wanna be islanders' but 'still wanna be Aussies & Kiwis' - dars where the problem is yorlye.

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Friday, March 21, 2003 at 01:57:17
Subject: Another 5 min. wonder finds himself in here...
Submission:

..I was told by a friend when he was in Aussie that he was told by someone that ... therefore it must be gospel... from what hole do all you 5 min wonders crawl from? What on gods earth makes you think you have any right whatsoever to be so rude and obnoxious in coming in here making such ignorant assumptions? Why would someone need to be paid money to NOT talk about such a tragic event as Ms Patton's murder? What was the show about? Was it about the awful changes that have happened to our paradise in the last 50 years since we allowed wholesale immigration to our island by Aussies and Kiwis? You asked for the truth...

Name: Terry Parnell
Email:nil
Australia
Date: Friday, March 21, 2003 at 00:40:08
Subject: Youre on TV
Submission:

This week a morning TV show (you know the garbage between 6am and 9am) Had a blurb on Norfolk Island. One odd thing was that they did not mention the upcoming anniversary of the young ladies murder. Who paid whom?? I was told last week by a friend who was on Norfolk recently that numerous people know who the murderer/s is/are. So when is someone going to tell the truth?

Name: Neddy Smith
Long Bay
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 22:02:07
Subject: dopey coppers can't solve the crime? ...no wurries - just duck-shove responsibility for cracking the case onto all the punters who live within 20 km of the crime scene
Submission:

why don't the Feds just call in the FBI & get a crew who can do crime-scene analysis properly? ...we seem to be in bed with the yanks on everything else so why not law enforcement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This Week: Sunday 23 March 2003 Murder on Norfolk Island: One year later, who killed Janelle Patton? Produced by Tim Latham The parents of Janelle Patton talk exclusively with Background Briefing about their firm belief that someone on Norfolk knows more than they are telling about the murder of their daughter. Police and the Island's local government agree, and a reward of $50 000 has just been offered. http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/ who remembers how they hashed this one: http://old.smh.com.au/news/0107/13/national/national10.html

Name: Sir Skeptikal
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 at 23:13:40
Subject: Frater Nigel Knobbs
Submission:

pity bout the name Nige - probly the last thing the good burghers of Norfolk's fair isle need at present is pompous blow-in ignoramous arseholes like you sharing the hermetic void tween yer ears with em

Name: Bev
Location: Sydney, Aussie
Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 at 23:03:20
Subject: To the "Know Alls"
Submission:

How sad Norfolk has changed so much & now has the same crimes as Aussie & the rest of the world. Thank heavens it is NOT an everyday occurance, as EVERYWHERE else ! Also, thank heavens there are more of the "TOP" type of people there than the rubbish. Keep "yourly chins up folks", we aren't all against you or your beautiful Island. Would love to visit again.

Name: normatta
Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 at 19:53:04
Subject: Nigel and Seething Mad
Submission:

For the year since Janelle was murdered there have been plenty of you off shore loud mouths coming in here making assumptions and accussing the locals of a cover up. What a load of bull. None of you have any idea of the impact this has had on the small community of Norfolk Island. Or of the feelings of the islanders. Read my lips "THERE IS NO COVER UP". For you to suggest as much shows your own ignorance in making carte blanche accusations in something which you know nothing about and which has nothing to do with you. Interestingly enough, if you scroll through here you will see by far that most of the critisims of the police work on this case has also come from the off shore "experts".

Name: Nigel Knobbs
Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 at 03:56:09
Subject: Seething Mad II is so right
Submission:

What is wrong with you people????? You live on a beautiful Island that has had a tragic crime committed on it. Instead of sledging the Police, help them. If it is one of "your own" who did it you don't need them there, they belong in gaol, the murdering asshole. You don't live is a cocoon, you live on an island, get with the times the Bounty thing happened a long time ago, if you're one of the ones still stuck in that time and mentality, take a pill and get with the times. Criminals belong in gaol and the only was Police can do their job is with the help of the community.

Name: Nor Larnen
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 17:23:39
Subject: Karen
Submission:

I don't know who you are, but you live in Australia, why are you making this any of your business? you are being rude and insensitive. Regardless of the circumstances around how this house went up and whatever the guy calls himself, no one deserves to have their house burnt down and then to be slandered in here. I believe that this kind of attitude is at the root of what you refer to as "Norfolk se had et". Who the heck are any of you people to say our ouwas islen se had et? u don't even live here. And if you did what would you be contributing, anything diferent to all of the bollocks we see from you in here? Just like anywhere in the world Norfolk has it's share of idiots. So what. There are alot of wonderful people islanders and "outsiders" who live here.

Name: Jakie
Email:J_M_F_C03@yahoo.com
Location: Waialua, Honolulu
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 14:04:38
Subject: Questions on Norfolk
Submission:

I have some questions I really appriciate if you e-mail me the answers 1. What is the capital of Norfolk? 2. What is the geography? 3. What is the people like? 4. What do you people wear? 5. What is the culture like? 6. What is the current population? 7. What is a traditional food? 8. What is a traditional game? Thanks bye

Name: normatta
Email:normatta@yahoo.com.nospamthankyou.com
Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 at 18:20:19
Subject: Overseas Islanders
Submission:

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, after not being in here for a few weeks its nice to come in and see some thoughtful submissions for a change instead of the whining that has become the norm in here of late. It was noted that there was an article in the SMH on the arson, does anybody have a link to the story? One submission I would like to comment on as everyone else let it pass was from George in Aussie 1. Off shore residents are not complaining about their absentee landowners tax because they pay a minimal flat fee (something around A$300 odd p.a.) as opposed to a percentage based on the value of the land for non residents. There are good reasons for this which you should take time to think about 2. You seem to assume we aren't on the island because we aren't prepared to live through the good times and the bad and or the lure of money off shore. Of the hundreds of us doing this, there will be 100's of reasons all personal and none of it your business. But if it were you would find people helping kids through their education or simply furthering their own education, either formally or in the big wide world expanding their horizons. Sure some are "economic refugees", so what?. That a couple of years runs to 10 or 20 or more is a deeply personal choice - and one that none of us live with easily. I for one left because I was going "stir crazy" a couple of years off and I straightened myself out, I go home regularly and are saddened to see what has become of those who were in a similar predicament and didn't leave. 3. There is no such thing as a "true blue Islander, ok "mate". 4. As for "dar island se had et", whose yu fe larn ouwas side se had et? en ef se had et, foot yu comen en ya larnen which a ouwas sullun car goe hoem ef dem wunt? bas thing fe sullun simes yu es fe philly yus lepp--------------------------------------------------------------------- Things in the world have changed irrevocably over the last 10-20 years, I too have been disappointed by the changes on Norfolk and within our culture in this time, but thats how it is. Lamenting over it should only go on for so long. Blaming others for it, such as islanders living off shore isn't the way forward. Valuing what you feel is lost, conciously living it each day with your friends and family (wherever int he world you live!) as many islanders do is the only way forward. Missing Norfolk, God Bless ouwas islen

Name: Well said
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 at 22:17:56
Subject: Here here
Submission:

Here here Seething Mad II and Ashamed and disgusted, well thought out and presented arguments. It is easy to blame everyone else but one's self. Blame the cops for everything but then who do you call first when something happens. The NSW Police would not take on the Financial burden of Policing Norfolk Island. There is a murder a day in NSW. The only difference is people come forward over there and give decent viable information. Not information based on rumour or hidden agendas. There has been much said about the murder being solved for Norfolk Island or the tourism trade. What about Janelle Patton or her family. Most murders are solved through methodical approach with a great deal of assistance from the public. People like Seething Mad wingeing about having to fill out a survey and second guessing the reasons why Police might need the information contained in that survey only hinders the investigation. Hey Seething Mad you seem to have all the answers. YOU SOLVE IT.

Name: none
Email:none@msn.com
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 at 18:15:01
Subject: the last two forum entries
Submission:

Well said, both letter writers. It's nice to see some informed discussion rather than the usual lot of garbage that is written on this forum.

Name: Ashamed and Disgusted
Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 at 17:38:22
Subject: Finger Pointing
Submission:

I am a born and bred Norfolk Islander who is very much ashamed having read through this forum and indeed reading the local paper with absolute disgust and embarrassment, I would like to say let’s not blame the police for what is happening here in our so called crime free community (what a load of crap – we have got a heap of crime here), but how about looking at ourselves and our magistrates etc. It is us who are too scared or ignorant to “dob” the dickheads in, and when they do go to court, they get a little pat on the wrist with a feather. I agree with the comments in the paper – bring in judges and magistrates from the mainland who will not be biased or gutless to hand down heavy and in warranted cases severe punishment. Here’s a suggestion. Bring in the judges etc from the mainland on Friday night, have court on Saturday, then fly them out on Saturday night whereby the “louts” cannot target them. If we don’t clean out the “dickheads” we have here – Norfolk will sink even further. By the way – if we have endless buckets of money to pay out Chief Executive Officer’s, Hospital Directors etc, then why can’t we pay out to get a “sniffer dog” to eradicate the drug problem here? Or are we going to wait until a heap of people (innocent ones) have died. I guess this will be following our normal traditions of the past. Let’s stop shutting the gate long after the horses have bolted. ACT NOW!! Show the idiots that we nor fraed fer dem.

Name: seething mad II
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 at 16:07:37
Subject: seething mad
Submission:

Couple of points. The police here are properly trained in crime detection and law enforcement. The Australian Federal Police are responsible for community policing and law enforcement in the Australian Capital Territory and other communities. They don’t just mope around airports, open car doors for VIPs and sit at embassies. Janelle's murder is being investigated by a team of homicide detectives and a forensic team sent over for that particular purpose, with assistance from forensic experts on the mainland. Most of the costs of that investigation are also being paid for the Australian Federal Police - not Norfolk - despite her murder not an offence against Commonwealth law. Reread the earlier reports in The Islander - its all there. A forensic team from the Australian Capital Territory are also investigating the arson attack on Grant's house. Would the NSW Government or the NSW police pick up the cost of the murder or other investigations if they were here? Its too easy to blame or scape goat the police for everything people consider to be wrong here. What is the "CLEAR UP RATE" of crime here under the present regime? Does anybody know? Has anybody asked? How does it compare to similar sized and similarly Island communities elsewhere? The laws passed by the Assembly did not allow the police the option of compulsory fingerprinting. To take compulsory fingerprints without proper laws backing them up, would mean that any evidence collected would be inadmissible at any trial. A police force is only as good as the support it gets from the community it serves. A police force can do little if the community won't come forward with information about those who break the laws of that community, if people won't stand up in court and if people won't give evidence against those who do these things. Having police from NSW, Queensland or anywhere else here won't change that fact. By all means, lets have a debate and discuss how we can deal with those among us who break the laws of this place, but please dont let our frustration prevent us from doing so in an informed manner.

Name: Neddy Smith
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 at 01:30:45
Subject: preceding drivel
Submission:

yeah right on luv - like the Artful Dodger (Roger Rogerson)& co. for eg.

Name: Seething mad.
Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 at 22:56:48
Subject: CRIME DETECTION
Submission:

I think it's way past time that we got some real police over here; some hard nosed NSW cops who have been properly trained in crime detection and law enforcement. The type of guy who doesn't take censored from anybody, and who isn't scared to use his authority. The Feds are good for moping around airports, opening car doors for VIPs and being stationed at embassies I guess but they aren't trained in day to day real life crime. The "CLEAR UP RATE" of crime here under the present regime is abysmal and it must be a total embarrassment even to the present force. Not a real clue to the murder, and who on earth has ever heard of a police force sending out a questionnaire virtually asking "Did you do this?" by asking for movements in 15 minute blocks. What a farce the fingerprinting was; not compulsory even so it would hardly be likely that the guilty peson would come forward. We have NSW teachers in NICS; let's get NSW police.

Name: Karen Martin
Australia
Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 at 01:03:48
Subject: Murder now Arson
Submission:

With a flick of a match you will never remove those from the island who have moved in to reap the good life. Yes Norfolk Islanders (of Bounty descent) you have stuffed up big time ... the horses have bolted. You made Norfolk inviting and now all types want to move in and run the show, and build their big houses to stamp their dominance over the rest of you. Was it worth it to sell off your land for a quick buck? The Sydney Newspapers have run with the story this weekend - what an unhappy lot you are - those three police better get off their butts for a change and be prepared to do a days work to solve these crimes. Almost 12 months since Janelle lost her life and still no one charged with the crime, perhaps you need more qualified people on the job.

Name: Aussie George
Australia
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 04:53:45
Subject: Buildings on Norfolk
Submission:

I agree with the previous entry - how did this Mansion ever get passed by Admin? Before too long the rich & famous will be all landing on your doorstep and building similar dwellings - perhaps bigger complete with helipads to house their copters in the ready to take tourists to the Casino on Philip Island. Don't laugh it could happen. When Pitcairn is vacated after the Sex trials in New Zealand you can all move in over there to escape the destruction of Norfolk by those with the biggest wads of money who may be bribing the current powers to be. Wakey Wakey yorlye

Name: eye on norfolk
Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 at 17:24:19
Subject: house torching
Submission:

When I visited this forum, I was concerned to read of the arson attack of the home on Norfolk having been aware of other recent crimes on Norfolk including break & enters and theft from local businesses. I didn't think Norfolk had come to arson as a means for getting a message across until I learned which house was in fact torched. On a very recent visit to Norfolk, I was disappointed and alarmed that someone could build such an eyesore in a place that is reknowned for it's beauty and "quaintness" that many refer to as a country feel. That house was a massive mediterranean bulkness that in no way reflects the style of Norfolk and I hear was to rival the admin buildings upon completion. I was angry and more concerned that such a development could have been passed or approved to be built by the administration of Norfolk Island or isn't there any building design approval section of the government. Obviously not otherwise someone was paid off and that was the view expressed by many locals I encountered on my visit. Unfortunately and historically, Norfolk is one of those places where people are able to take matters into their own hands. It is also a place where the local business owners are well aware of the lack of attention the courts seem to give to crimes committed by (apparent) 'locals' to the point that some don't even bother to report them. The problem it seems lies in the Government and it's ability to represent the local people or to even know the views of the locals.

Name: Aussie George
Australia
Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 at 11:33:41
Subject: OFFSHORE LANDOWNERS
Submission:

I hear that there are 130 Norfolk Islander absentee landowners and 86 landowners of the non-resident kind. Many whinging about an increase in the land value levy (crying they are suffering hardship) maybe they should sell up and get to censored out of there for good and leave those that want to live there permanently and support the island through the good times & bad prosper. You aint true blue Norfolk Islanders if you prefer to live away from the island and earn Aussie Dollars or Kiwi Dollars no wonder dar island se had et. Too many stuffing up a good thing - wakey wakey!!

Name: Aussie George
Australia
Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 at 04:22:48
Subject: Kiwi Doldrums
Submission:

Too bad the America's cup has been snatched ... perhaps you can all go to Norfolk and solved that crime of passion which it seems 12 months on they now want to know who owned the black plastic & sunglasses. Maybe someone just drove to the tip and helped themselves to some disposed of plastic. Too many having siestas over there to notice anything unusual, or dem nor larnen.

Name: Kiwi observer
Location: Kiwiland, Kiwiland
Date: Saturday, March 1, 2003 at 17:23:47
Subject: Siesta Time
Submission:

Where are all the regular contributors? Does Norfolk have siesta time for several weeks or is big brother censoring this site? We do not care about Guyman and Galgirl, get stuck back into the usual topics, corruption, bad management, local crime, come on Norfolk (and expats) wake up. Us Kiwis need something after the Americas Cup disappears today, and the cricket team on Monday.

Name: R&D Medical
Email:guest@rdmedicalonline.com
Location: Orlando, USA
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 21:30:35
Subject: Reply catagory page and mail in form page
Submission:

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Name: Titreano
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 01:52:23
Subject: On a lighter note
Submission:

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Name: Julie
Location: Gold Coast,Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 07:32:29
Subject: the Norfolk Islander
Submission:

I forgot to add. Tim and Tom, I'd also like to be able to read the Norfolk Islander on the web.

Name: Julie Donald
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 07:28:42
Subject: Byron Bay Blues Festival
Submission:

Hey yorlye, just wanting to see if any of you lucky people living on Norfolk happen to be going to the East Coast Blues and Roots Festival in Byron Bay this easter. Usually a good contingent of Norfolk Islanders. I'm hoping to catch up with a few of you. Ben Harper is playing again this year and the lineup is unbeatable. If you are going or know anyone coming over I'd be keen to know to catch up.

Name: Young Local
Email:none
Location: Norfolk !,Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 23:38:00
Subject: why worry
Submission:

I have never discovered this forum until today I knew of it but never took the time to read it, I was shocked when I started reading,at the amount of pettiness that really goes on, theres a difference between looking after our beautiful way of life and making noise where it is unnecessary. Like most locals, I feel very sad that Norfolk has become the way that it has, I only wish that we could put aside all the pettiness and get on with life and make this a wonderful place to visit and live, people come and people go, some stay and yes often we end up with the tax dodgers, but at the end of the day are you happy, and happy with your life, look after yourself and those who are close to you. For all of you out there with such negativity, get over it and enjoy life as it is to short to waste time bitching, and quite often there is nothing you can do about it anyway, so why waste your energy worrying, as life for you will be over in a blink ! And in regards to the certain some body who took 4 years to realise Norfolk Island is not for you, so be it but don’t rubbish what is precious to us, get over your child like ways and move on with your life !

Name: Vox Populi
Email:ricochet@bounceback.com
ex-Norfolk TEP-diaspora
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 22:09:12
Subject: Open letter to publishers of the 'Norfolk Islander' newspaper
Submission:

firstly, to the whinging ex-residents 'never going back' but still hanging about like a bad smell (curious that) - grow up & get over it! you'd probably find fault with Shangrila as well .,.,.,.,., however, remonstrating with sour-grapers is not what I'm here for - as an ex-TEP, who thoroughly enjoyed their sojourn on Norfolk, I've hunted around on the Net a number of times in hope of finding the 'Norfolk Islander' newspaper online, but no luck - Tom & Tim, please, please, consider publishing electronically, I for one would be more than happy to access on a pay-for-view basis

Name: dorgs cork
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 04:58:38
Subject: mainlander
Submission:

Mainlander, must be a bit slow if it took you 4 years to figure out Norfolk isn't for you, but then you probably liked it to start with, as 30,000 vistors a year do. If you are so over Norfolk why in the heck are you coming in here? Gut a sullun tull es dem se pae, en money ell tork fe hawe ar side bild et. Ei car wah, onie sorry furret, do mine whose et, car do fe bun down dems side.

Name: Leanna
Islands
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 01:18:08
Subject: 100 Casinos on the Internet
Submission:

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Name: domine
Email:none
Location: home, norfolk island
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 00:38:24
Subject: reply to mainlander.
Submission:

Oh thank goodness - we have enough here already, most not contributing to the welfare of Norfolk at all. Norfolk has changed forever and the influx of mainland tax dodgers in the 60s and their unsavory ways is to blame. Many have gone and many have stayed and many have said they never want to return BUT ALAS - many do.... Sti dere, we goode down ucklans.

Name: car tul
Email:none
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 at 16:28:20
Subject: reply to mainlander
Submission:

we nor musa wunt you

Name: Another ex Resident of many years
Australia
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 at 06:17:22
Subject: Out of control crime on Norfolk
Submission:

What is going on over there? Murder now arson - are those 3 Federal Police doing their jobs or are they still on an extended holiday. Get real and round up the culprits before Norfolk is 'history'. Why go holiday on Norfolk when you can fly to New Zealand so cheaply these days and they have more to offer the tourist. It is so sad to read of more problems over there - what has happened in Paradise? The older islanders would be horrified at what is taking place there and I really feel for them -they are the backbone of your community and should have more say at what goes on. If the murder was solved perhaps things would settle down - how can you all live with this hanging over everyone. Shame Shame Shame to those running Norfolk now.

Name: mainlander
Email:none
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 23:01:13
Subject: norfolk island
Submission:

I lived on Norfolk Island for four years, I would never ever return there, not even for a holiday and I never recommend it to anyone who asks me about it. Unfortunately there are some beautiful island people there but many people including outsiders who spoil everything. When I tell people I have lived there the usual response is "why on earth would you want to live there?" So you can relax, I can assure you people on the mainland are not breaking there necks to go there, despite popular opinion on Norfolk. Its your so called "paradise" and you're welcome to it

Name: Former Islander
Email:none
Australia
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 20:17:01
Subject: Regarding the Arson Attacks
Submission:

I found out about the building site that was burned down from friends of mine still on the island. I left Norfolk about 2 1/2 years ago because I was sick to death of the group of so called 'Locals' who consider themselves to be elite. The constant 'holier than thou' pontificating from these clowns just made me sick to my stomach - enough that I decided I'd be better off living elsewhere. The administration seemed to be so terrified of this group of jerks that they were rendered almost entirely useless. They couldn't come up with a plan to fight their way out of a paper bag, let alone tackle the ever increasing pattern of persecution of people not born on the island. Nothing ever seems to actually happen about it. Are they above the law? It seems that the administration is still too cowardly to have done something about this. So now another place has been torched - that's no surprise. Some people probably think that this sends a message that will help Norfolk Island get back to the way things should be - meanwhile an innocent family has had their home destroyed. I'm glad I left, and I'm sorry for the people that lost their home.

Name: A Shocked & Saddend Norfolk Islander
Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 17:35:16
Subject: Reply to Shocked
Submission:

The type of morons who would burn down someone's house or work shop is the same type of moron who can murder someone. Sadly, Norfolk Island is not exempt from having these dickheads here. They are pathetic, ignorant and useless and the sooner they are caught and thrown in clink, the better. We don't want them here. They are not welcome anymore. Long Bay Gaol awaits them - and when they are caught, Norfolk will celebrate. Wait and see. Whoever did these crimes need some urgent help.

Name: Shocked
Email:none
Location: Perth, Australia
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 16:35:32
Subject: Arson Attacks
Submission:

What is it with Norfolk Island and arson attacks? I hear another home has been burned down. What kind of morons do this - and how do they justify taking someones home?

Name: George Issac
Email:gissacus@yahoo.com
Location: New York, USA
Date: Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 23:27:42
Subject: Hi!
Submission:

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Name: Kiwi Norfolk Lover
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 16:25:23
Subject: Reply to New Zealander in Norfolk
Submission:

Thank you for you reply about the bank accounts. It is much appreciated.

Name: New Zealander in Norfolk
Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003 at 23:02:00
Subject: Reply to Kiwi Norfolk Lover
Submission:

Hi, In respone to you question yes it is. The Commonwealth Bank owns ASB. You will need to have a Commonwealth Account This can be in aussie it does not have to be in Norfolk but you will then be able to access it using you card via the ASB machines( they will also give you a balance and the conversion rate at the time of printing). To depoist money you will have to use international funds transfer but if you save up a few months it is worth it. I did this at Christmas. I find the ASB staff really good and helpful.

Name: Kiwi Norfolk Lover
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2003 at 00:12:29
Subject: Norfolk Island Bank Accounts
Submission:

Hi all. I'm not sure if anyone can answer this query for me but I hope you can. My husband and I are frequent visitors to Norfolk and we would like to set up a bank account that we can feed money into from here so that when we get to Norfolk we have our spending money waiting for us. I mentioned this to a friend of mine here and he said that it isn't possible for non islanders to have bank acounts there. Is this true. I know it can be done in Australia as another friend does it for their holidays there, which is where we got the idea from. It means that we can't spend our holiday money during the year on other things and have a great holiday when we get there.

Name: Peter Horn
Australia
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 22:28:38
Subject: E-Gold
Submission:

Suggest Graham Kellys first name is NED!

Name: Graham Kelly
Email:admin@goldnow.st
Location: ALL, WorldWide
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 09:30:00
Subject: ecurrencies on NI
Submission:

Guys, I'm interested in getting about 6 folks to use e-gold as an ecurrency trial on Norfolk Island. Go to my site, and click on "set up account". Register an e-gold account, and fund it at my AU site. Or, if you already have an e-gold account, and want cash delivered directly into your NI Westpac or ComBank accounts, click on "sell/exchange ecurrency", and follow the process. My fee for e-gold purchases is 2.95%. e-gold>NI bank deposit, no fee. I'll also be in NI sometime this month... Graham Kelly CEO www.GoldNow.St

Name: NigerianScumRemover
Email:Olusegun_Obasanjo@nopa.net
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 06:33:31
Subject: scam the scammers
Submission:

here's how it's done: http://www.geocities.com/a_kerenx/seko.html

Name: NigerianScumRemover
Email:Olusegun_Obasanjo@nopa.net
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 06:33:21
Subject: scam the scammers
Submission:

here's how it's done: http://www.geocities.com/a_kerenx/seko.html

Name: Deborah M Noeker
Email:dreamboatplace@juno.com
Location: Key West, U.S.
Date: Monday, February 3, 2003 at 23:54:37
Subject: Great site
Submission:

Very interesting site and I agree with Jerri about those 419 scammeras.

Name: Jerri Crisswell
Email:JDCNURSE97@aol.com
Location: NY, States
Date: Monday, February 3, 2003 at 23:53:03
Subject: Nice Site
Submission:

Good site and I DARE those Nigerians to try to scam me.

Name: Rhonda Fuller
Email:kefuller@tpg.com.au
Location: Dubbo, Australia
Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 at 20:47:42
Subject: Map
Submission:

I would be most grateful if you could send a map of Norfolk Island, especially one showing the street names. I am particularly interedsted in those around Burnt Pine. I have been to Norfolk a couple of times, and the last time I was there I cannot remember the name of the apartment we rented. I know where it is, so if I can locate it on a map I'll be able to contact the owners. Thank you.

Name: Gerry Kennedy
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 at 08:37:43
Subject: SCAMORAMA
Submission:

Within one day of posting my e-mail address on this site I have received 12 invitations to participate in various scams...Beware. I however did receive on e-mail from an Islander..Thanks

Name: Gerry Kennedy
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 at 08:37:13
Subject: SCAMORAMA
Submission:

Within one day of posting my e-mail address on this site I have received 12 invitations to participate in various scams...Beware. I however did receive on e-mail from an Islander..Thanks

Name: Old Sole
Australia
Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 at 23:06:10
Subject: Murder Investigation
Submission:

According to todays Daily Telegraph, the Federal Police are finally asking locals about the black sheeting which was used to cover the body and some sunglasses found where the victim was last seen. What took them so long to enquire? Something is just not quite right with this investigation - 10 months on and still no one has been apprehended. One would think they would have asked this question early in the investigation - are they asleep on the job over there?

Name: Hosea Saunders
Email:nadapa@mail.com
Location: Chicago, USA
Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 at 17:41:05
Subject: Friendly Reminder
Submission:

The posts from the mugu guymen below are from 419/advanced fee scammers who are harvesting e-mails from various guestbooks. Please think twice before you sign your e-mail address in ANY guestbooks. If you want to contact the owners of this website, e-mail them directly or privately. For more information about 419 scams promising you untold amounts of money from dead dictators and their wives/families/kins etc., please go to scamorama.com or fraudaid.com. Also search for mugu guymen in google.com and you will see how extensive these parasites have infected guestbooks on the Internet. Be aware and be informed.

Name: Gerry Kennedy
Email:gerry_kennedydublin20@yahoo.com
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 at 08:50:11
Subject: Convict records
Submission:

My Great Great Great Grandfather John Keogh from Roscommon in Ireland was transported as a convict to Norfolk. He wrote two letters from there in 1838. I hope to visit during March 2003. Can anyone tell me if there is any record of the convict population?? I think that all of the convict and freed prisoners all left around 1856 when the Pitcairn community resettled. Was the resettlement from Pitcairn to Norfolk voluntary or not?? Thank you for your help...Gerry

Name: hammer
Email:hammer@yahoo.com
Location: Lagos Nigeria, nigeria
Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 at 00:25:22
Subject: e go better
Submission:

make una take thins easy e go soon better, but before e go better mkae una no knock job for me this sight give me one job. make i collect first before una take un sicso spoil my awillo longomba.

Name: norfollk friend
Date: Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 20:53:35
Subject: m.d.
Submission:

m.d. your valued contribution and offer appears to have shut everybody up!

Name: m.d.
Email:barcat2002@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 13:04:44
Subject: hospital
Submission:

if you wish to have a hospital administrator who has over twenty years of experience in medicine i am interested in the position.

Name: sergio
Email:nisamtu@email.com
Location: melbourne, au
Date: Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 08:12:51
Subject: i am coming
Submission:

DEAR NORFOLKERS, I WOULD LIKE TO COME ON NORFOLK ISLAND,AND PLEASE HELP ME TO DO IT. I AM AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN,GRAPHIC DESIGNER,27 YEARS OLD. sergio

Name: A casual observer
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 21:52:40
Subject: Hospital
Submission:

I see the Hospital report is out. The director and the doctors are exonerated but the nurses are not. So what does the minister do- sack the director and the doctor!!!! That is like treating the right arm if the left arm is broken. But what do we expect to happen here on NI. Show some leadership Minister and treat the problem some of the nursing staff and then and only then will the Hospital come right.

Name: Norfolk Fus
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 20:02:47
Subject: Australian Taxes = Magic Formula
Submission:

Attention Sorry for Norfolk, Weas yu brud?, I've been waiting 2 days for a reply as to why our paying Australian Taxes will increase everybodies income and improve public services across the board! Please stand up to be counted. And BTW as for Norfolk's "lets stop prentending we can make ends meet" Norfolk's fiscal record is enviable by anyone's standards - USA, Japan, Britian, Nuie Islands! No denying we have some massive problems like at Cascade and Health issues but welcome to the real world, a world of problems that I sincerely doubt will be solved simply by us paying Australian taxes. Still waieten...

Name: luvnorfolk
Norfolk
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 13:41:29
Subject: Some of us don't want it changed!
Submission:

Just as long as you all realise, some of us who come here do come here because we love the place, the people and the lifestyle. Some of us really appreciate the opportunity to be here, for no matter how long and have a deep respect for Norfolk language and culture and are honoured to be able to share it with locals who have made us feel welcome and a part of the community. Please don't judge us all by the few who want to see change.

Name: Shirley Whitford-Hooker
Email:puka505@yahoo.com.au
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 11:36:34
Subject: Curious & Interested!!
Submission:

for attn: Normatta and JJ Flynn Your words are challenging, stimulating and definitely interesting! Elva and Granny Q must be cheering you two orn.

Name: Norfolk Fus
Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 02:30:55
Subject: Australian Taxes = Magic Formulae?
Submission:

No reason to feel sorry for Norfolk. Norfolk gwen gude. Its the people who can't stop complaining that I'm sorry for. You come over here and obviously like the place and decide to live here, now you want to bring what you were originally escaping from over to here? why stay here? I'd also very much like to hear your reasoning for why our paying Australian taxes will increase everybodies wages, improve the standard of healthcare, education and transportation services. Pray Tell! I'm sure there are people living in small communities across Australia, paying taxes, that would like to know this magic formula of yours.

Name: Norfolk Oldie
Australia
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 23:23:03
Subject: MURDER OF JANELLE PATTON
Submission:

It is now 10 months since Janelle's life was taken by persons unknown on Norfolk Island. Is this a bungled investigation? Not a word is mentioned about it, could there have been a coverup of massive proportions? Mr & Mrs Patton some of us really care that you have lost a treasured daughter in such a horrible set of circumstances - please know you are in our thoughts & prayers.

Name: bob
Email:none
norfolk
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 21:57:15
Subject: sorry for norfolk
Submission:

Sorry for Norfolk.....will you go down to Foodlands and buy your foodland shopping trolley with GST added to it? Get a life ...... Leave

Name: Sorry For Norfolk
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 21:10:09
Subject: Bring on Ozzie
Submission:

Norfolk Island can no longer maintain its subsistence the way we are going. I say bring on Australia and let them us take over. Lets all enjoy better healthcare, wages similar to the School Teachers and National parks staff, Better Roads and International Transport, better Schooling, no more subsidised Police Force. Bring on Ozzie and the Australian Tax System and lets stop pretending that we can make ends meet.

Name: Norfolk oldie
Australia
Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 05:32:12
Subject: Reply Shirley Hooker
Submission:

Se wae Norfolk se cum Shirl, gwen make Ma tun in her grave. She es one who always fight for the good of Norfolk and love everybody no matter what es dems background. She was one of the best of dem group of oldies and nor sell out for money as many se do now. Time for go back and live on dar island Shirley and fight with with those who want changes - dem old times es dar best times - Norfolk se had et. Still es good side but some of dem sullen live over there es too greedy,and some might say corrupt.

Name: Brave New World
Date: Friday, January 17, 2003 at 21:59:26
Subject: 1984
Submission:

Over a million visitors since the airport went in. Television for the last 15 odd years. Outsiders permitted to buy land and set up businesses, then after 5 years the right to vote. Many of them now into their third generation and reaching a majority in the electorate. Island families are becoming smaller, usually marrying outsiders and no longer speaking Norfolk in the home. Exposure to popular western culture has made converts of the young. The list is endless and the same the world over. Norfolk is only one small blip in humanities roller coaster ride towards a more homogenised human race. Hasta La Vista...

Name: Shirley Whitford-Hooker
Email:puka505@yahoo.com.au
Date: Friday, January 17, 2003 at 10:06:08
Subject: Curious!!
Submission:

Sarlu - read a few comments from the forum page and checked out the guest book..........is this really the Norfolk I knew and still call home? (despite Ma's book, my written Norfolk car du but I ell tork guud!)

Name: Supporter of Cultural Diversity
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 01:46:09
Subject: Reply to 'KIRSCH Nico and Nadine'
Submission:

Greetings Nico & Nadine, as you can probably tell from this Forum, Norfolk has it's share of problems, but is still undoubtedly one of the most salubrious places to live, on a Planet rapidly falling apart. The best advice I can give is BRING LOTS OF MONEY -HAVE ACCESS TO PLENTY MORE. If you can buy or set up your own business (esp. one that generates employment, it's still possible to migrate here.) You'll find human nature is pretty much the same wherever you live - but the weather on Norfolk will certainly trump Luxembourg's on any given day of the year. Some things which you should be aware of: The immigration laws that apply to mainland Australia under the Migration Act 1958 (Cth), do not extend to Norfolk island. Entry to, and residence on the Island are controlled by the Norfolk Island Immigration Act 1980 (NI). ref: http://www.info.gov.nf/isysrich/legislation/ConsolidatedRegs/ImmigrationRegulations1984Form2.doc However, take note that, during 1997-98, in response to four complaints, the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission conducted an inquiry into Norfolk Island's Immigration Act 1980. Norfolk Island is a territory of the Commonwealth and the only inhabited external territory not covered by the Commonwealth's Migration Act 1958. The Commission's inquiry considered whether a separate immigration regime for a territory violates the right to liberty of movement and freedom of choice of residence guaranteed by article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. That right is not absolute. A government, in this case the Commonwealth, may restrict the right in the pursuit of lawful objectives. The Commission found that protection of Norfolk Island's Pitcairn culture and natural environment would justify some restriction on ingress and residence. However, restrictions must be necessary and proportionate. The Commission concluded that a separate immigration regime is neither necessary nor proportionate. The Commission recommended that the Migration Act 1958 (Cth) be extended to Norfolk Island and that the Island's immigration regime be repealed and the Island government's power to legislate for immigration be revoked. ref: http://www.hreoc.gov.au/pdf/human_rights/norfolk_island.pdf Good luck!

Name: Tintoela
Norfolk
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 00:41:46
Subject: Orn ar Hill
Submission:

I think you attitude was a bit pessamistic. Sure the weather over christmas was wet but how badly did we need the rain. We all know there are problems with the Government but you show me one country that is happy with theres. If you nor like Norfolk u know wuthen u el do. Up Start. Norfolk is a great place and if your gut nothin guud for tul nor tul it. Please excuse the poor Norfolk spelling, one el ony try.

Name: Orn ar Hill
Email:whuts dar
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 20:05:17
Subject: Nothing new under the sun
Submission:

1. Bad Weather, 2. Bad Government, 3. Trying to keep up with the Jone's. Brud simes a thing you already lewen orn Norfolk!

Name: KIRSCH Nico and Nadine
Email:nicnad@pt.lu
Location: Soleuvre, Luxembourg
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 04:58:26
Subject: Immigrating to Norfolk Island ?
Submission:

We have been visiting your beautiful island in February 2001, and we found it so great out there that we got ourselves information about immigration. But till now, we did not have the "balls" to give up life in Luxembourg. The problem with Luxembourg is that the country is quite rich, but the result is the citizens are very small-minded, we are growing racists, everybody is afraid of his neighbour who might eventually be richer than yourself (for example if I buy a new Mercedes Benz, my neighbour will do the same, but a bigger or stronger one than mine). The other problem with Luxembourg is the always bad weather. Normally we get two good months in a year, June and July.The rest of the year is cold, rainy or snowy.The third problem is our Government, composed by totally incapable politicians who just try to "work into their own pockets". We are some wealthy just because of the banking secret, which will probably be abolished within the next ten years or so. So we still do not give up the idea living in friendly Norfolk Island one day (still quite young; 32 and 34; speak English,French,German,Luxembourgish and a bit Spanish).Thanx a lot for some fair advice, and best greetings to Bob and Barbara from Colony Lodge, and their friend Bruce.

Name: Warren Chapman
Email:chappy@actrix.co.nz
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 03:41:19
Subject: Contact
Submission:

Hi, I am trying to contact Charles Blackwell who I think still lives on Norfolk Island. If anyone knows if he is still around and has an email address I would be gratefull to make contact with him. I used to play cricket with him at the Ellerslie Cricket Club and I am planning a trip to Norfolk in the next few weeks so your help would be appreciated. Regards Warren Chapman

Name: Mary
Location: Bateau Bay, Australia
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 at 22:36:00
Subject: Old Ways
Submission:

I spent the best time of my life on Norfolk Island. Its a magic place - keep up the good work - its worth the battle.

Name: normatta
Email:normatta@yahoonospamthankyou
Orf Shor
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 at 19:12:58
Subject: Car Do
Submission:

Bin es islanders usea tork Norfuk to one netha - culd be "Norfolk Island" es one o dem new generation Islanders car tork Norfuk, ulla nor wunt, ulla wussa still "one oh dem" runnen ar side. Ei bin hoem too en ell really sorry furret so do mine Islander in Exile. Es typical "schoolyard retort" but hawe an "element of truth" unae. Simes a thing moest a da sullen een ya gwen orn bout wea Norfuk se cum lewen orf shor en dar car do. We se choose fe lew croess yah en dea lifestyle en nor glead fe sullen back hoem wunt fe lew da saem wea! Either wea, Islanders "keen observations" shuld be welcome en yu, car be ei es de onie one glaed furret. En ef a sullun wunt fe nairsy furret, goodun, hoepfully se het ar nerve!

Name: Norfolk island
Email:n/a
Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 at 16:33:10
Subject: Islander in Exile
Submission:

well, well Islander in Exile you are doing a great job for the island. Well done a lot of wise words but where oh where are you? Living off the island. Like many of whom want Norfolk to remain the same, but your one of whom don't live here. Come back and voice your words to the people, or don't waste your fingers in here.

Name: Islander in Exile
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 00:34:43
Subject: RE: "wi need a new blood down a town n some a dem gutta brain n passion fer Norfuk n d ole way"
Submission:

Yu se het a'nayl orna haid dea brud ...simmis a thing "paassion fer Norfuk en'ar'ole wae" se moosa gorn en em yung sullun; I wonder if any of them have seriously reflected on what is actually being lost, versus what seems to be gained, as they apparently turn their back on what might be called the "Bounty-Socialism" of Pitcairn tradition & seek their cultural inspiration from South-Central LA via MTV etc.?? Many Pitcairn Descendants have already regressed from being the self-sufficient yeoman-farmers/fisherfolk of their ancestors; to wage-slave tenants ...renting an architectural-disgrace (often from absentee slum-lords) in their own Homeland - land on which their forebears built wonderful sprawling farmhouses by their own sweat & gnarled hands. Has anyone done an audit of how much of the sum-total of original land grants to the Pitcairn Settler families, remains in the hands of Pitcairn Descendants??? What you are losing is the FREEDOM of living strenuously on your feet, as your forebears did - in exchange for the illusory consumerist creature-comforts of living COMFORTABLY-NUMB on your knees ...as do the overwhemlming majority of wage-slaves in the so called 'First-World' economies. Ask yourselves just what kind of a socio-economic 'SYSTEM' it was, that inspired your Mutineer ancestors to mutiny AGAINST, in the first place.

Name: Car Wah
Location: Out Yenna,Date: Thursday, January 9, 2003 at 20:04:29
Subject: Dea en Dar
Submission:

Onie Danny Kerr en One Islander se ya dar lars assembly dem gwena knoew dem Dr's orl se sac et. Soe foot yorlie hat fe keep gwen orn? Noe doubt gwen hat fe waiet fe dem fill en fore dem new Dr's start unae. Ei nor tullen es right wae se tun out but yorlie car dunna complain? Ei thort dar thing fe Islander in Exile fe pud up one exclusive forum for islander es gude idea unae. How many of ouwa out der gwenna participate? Gwen by wathing we see in ya you find onie gwenna be es hand ful. Car be easy fe Batz come hoem se weay se cum, still brud ef matter to yu might be es time fe come hoem halp ucklan. Gut planty sullun lewen orf Norfolk feel daffy. Onie dem come hoem "gut da passion fe Norfolk in de ole wae" might be we gwen el tun et roun, dunna stiddy, thicken the blood, en ouwas lettle sullun gwen el knoew wat a weih fe dig a tatie en ell tork Norfolk gain! ah how gude fe dream unae.

Name: Carol Day
Australia
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2003 at 13:51:29
Subject: Norfolk Mess
Submission:

It is very sad to see that the Health issues are still not solved. I have been reading this fourm for some time now, and made a previous submission on my observations. If in fact it is true that you have a resident qualified dentist who is leaving his home to get a job in his field of profession, then this is disgusting. From reading previous entries on this site, I gather this dentist has a local lady. How must she be feeling being separated from him? I can quite see why there is so much tension on the island when people are appointed to various positions when you already have qualified people living there. This to me is poor management and very poor government - also known as point scoring. Mr Buffett certainly has a lot to answer for. I also receive a copy of your local paper which is sent by a friend, and these health issues need to be sorted out. How are all those pregnant women going? I hope they and their partners don't have to leave the island. I agree, you need a Minister who is prepared to take a stand, lift his head out of the sand and make decisions. Constantly sitting on the fence shuffling paper is non constructive. From reading your local paper and the forum it seems to me you people have a government who cannot and will not make decisions which are for the betterment of your island and your community. Come on islanders and youngsters, on your feet, push them out and have a go. My observations (for what their worth) is that you seem to have some very intelligent youn folk there who are not afraid to be ascertive, speak your minds and fight for your rights. Quite right! You don't vote people in because they are good speakers or nice people. You vote them in for the betterment of the community and the island.

Name: One Islander
Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2003 at 13:33:26
Subject: Reply to Danny Kerr
Submission:

No Danny, those two unwanted rhino hide plepps are still here (unfortunately)and given the fact that our Government would rather spend thousands of dollars in bringing so called "experts" to do the work when we have suitably qualified people here (except GP's),I guess we'll see more money being spent on "off-shore" Hospital directors who manage to get the sack from more than one job, lose $300,000, leave the island with computers etc etc. This is the sort of "power pussy's" we have here. They would rather see the likes of our resident dentist (who is brilliant) leave the island to return to his trade, than to put him in the job here and save nearly $20,000. And we wonder why we are running out of cash. Yep we have 3 Executive Directors managing managers who manage managers and so on, yet 3 years ago we had one CEO doing a perfectly good job, and our public service numbers are pretty much the same. Confused Danny? so is the community of Norfolk Island. Keep up your great submissions, and thanks for your comments. Until the Hospital crap is sorted out and a Minister and Government with balls is elected, the island and its people will remain disgruntled.

Name: Danny Kerr
Australia
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2003 at 07:53:12
Subject: HOSPITAL STAFFING
Submission:

Have the terrible twosome Kennedy & Connell left the island with a non return ticket as yet? Hope their replacements turn out to be good for Norfolk Hospital and the population. More of the same would be a disaster.

Name: Stephane Beland
Email:ste.beland@quebecemail.com
Location: Montreal, Canada
Date: Tuesday, January 7, 2003 at 12:05:07
Subject: Morgan's run
Submission:

Hello, i discovered your island by a book call "Morgan's run". Strange enough your flag look like Canadian Flag! See you in paradise...maybe. Stephane Beland Canada

Name: BATZ
Norfolk
Date: Tuesday, January 7, 2003 at 06:48:23
Subject: yourle do goode
Submission:

I bin back fer short lettle n gleard fer see all yourle but sem es a thing plenty sullen seh nairsy bout plenty defferent thing gwen orn. Ef I el tull one thing es we need a new blood down a town n some a dem gutta brain n passion fer Norfuk n d ole way. How lorng since you drop one taytee ulla fish down one ole sullens side or jes pop een si dem? Feel dar goode fer do d thing feh dem n jes feh si dems face n laugh lorng fer dem el make a sullen cly fer happy. But still el cly fer sad fer see way Norfuk seh cum, en-ay. So wha thing fer do? Gut too many gohst in em closset n plenty harn in dar pie fer cut et out now. Ar-sa me need one clean sweep down a town but who and how fer do et, en who want dar jorb? Soon es a sullen step in ar side, dem gut oony 5 menets fer change everything or everybody gwen orn dems case tullen dem car do deh ulla dar... no chance fer change. myse Norfuk nor dar goode but least I giwen et a go, n I hope yourle el too. (I bin re read wha thing I bin write n gleard ef yourle el read et cause I jes el)?!!

Name: wonderful
Email:Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, January 6, 2003 at 23:56:42
Subject: good praise to a beautiful island
Submission:

aren't we all so lucky to live in Paradise...... here's to a happy and health new year to all...... to the visitors...i hope you enjoy all the best of what our speacial island has to offer...

Name: Danny Kerr
Australia
Date: Sunday, January 5, 2003 at 07:42:30
Subject: Reply to Norfolk Islander in exile
Submission:

If a certain Minister for Health attended Duntroon and failed - it was probably in that environment that he learnt the art of networking he may have many contacts in the ACT. Maybe he didn't have what it takes to be a leader of men in the Armed Forces, but he can sure bullshit his way into positions of importence on Norfolk Island and everyone just sits back and votes him in time and time again. He's just recycled over and over again - try some new blood in the job - who knows it may turn out to be what is needed bring life back into Paradise.

Name: Islander in Exile
Date: Saturday, January 4, 2003 at 23:25:49
Subject: RE: Dedicated Forum for Pitcairn Descendants
Submission:

In reply to 'One Islander' I would simply point out that there's a venerable saying that's been doing the rounds of 'Hellenic'-type (Demos=people/Kratia=power) democracies, ever since the days of Periclean Athens: "Every polis gets the politicians it deserves". Also, you don't oust political office-holders via critiques on Internet forums - you do so via the ballot box. Why has David Buffet dominated Norfolk's 'Self-Gov't' (such as it is) for the last 30-40 (?) years ?? - presumably, because Islanders keep voting for him. Perhaps it would be more to the point to ask how it is that a failed Duntroon Cadet - &, patently, Canberra's man in Kingston - has managed to keep successfully 'selling' himself to the Norfolk electorate for so many years. My guess would be COMPLACENT buying, on the part of the Norfolk electorate. If you want competent politicians who will faithfully & fearlessly represent the interests of the community as a WHOLE, you have to 'groom' them; which is why there's a party system designed to facilitate solicitation & 'pre-selection' of suitable candidates for political Office, in every Westminster Democracy around the world - except, apparently, on Norfolk. I can think of at least one outstandingly bright, relatively young, Pitcairn Descendant with Degrees in Law & Commerce from Australia's top University, who I have no doubt could have made a solid contribution to public life on Norfolk - why was he not 'groomed' to do so by the Norfolk community? My suggestion of a dedicated forum at pitcairners.org/uckluns_side, is motivated by the desire to encourage the initiation of the type of honest (birth names not aliases) - free & open - discussion & debate on issues of public life/community concern relating to Norfolk Island - which may serve to begin the process of redressing the myriad problems apparently besetting the Island at present. Blind Freddy & the Pet Shop Parrot can see that this is not happening on the NIDS forum; which is largely - & rightfully so - a showcase for the Island as a Tourist Destination. For obvious reasons of privacy in a small community, many Islanders are reluctant to post under their real names - a dedicated PD forum in which all participants are authenticated at logon would not only obviate this very legitmate concern, but may also encourage the current political elites to respond - via the forum - to some of the criticisms being directed at them. It would also be relatively simple to facilitate real-time voice communication on such an exclusive forum & thereby address 'normatta's berating of the decline in 'Norfuk' language skills amongst the younger generation (anyone of my generation will recall that 'Norfuk' was once banned from being spoken at the Middlegate school - needless to say it was never spoken so vigorously or enthusiastically in the schoolyard - as a result of this - either before or since).

Name: One Islander
Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, January 4, 2003 at 12:50:02
Subject: Reply to Islander in Exile
Submission:

I disagree. I think this forum is a great place to let the world see we have hopeless politicians who cannot make decisions. That is the idea of a forum. I think it is time for David Buffett to ground his racket, to coin a phrase, and do something constructive, because he sure as censored can't make decisions. Take a good long hard look at the hospital and admin dilemmas that he can't seem to tackle. He openly said on the last Assembly meeting that Connell and Kennedy will be asked to leave - and guess what?? he hasn't done a bloody thing concrete. David Buffett you are all talk. Oh yes, you may be a good speaker and ambassador for Norfolk Island - but should that get you into Assemblies everytime?? I think not. I believe this will be your last run because plenty ucklun se sick to death of you cah make a decision. So, I think this forum is the perfect place to let the world, especially Aussie see that our government couldn't organise or manage a bun fight in a bakery. Come on all you young islanders, it is time yorlye took over the reins of Norfolk before we sink completely! Our government is a JOKE!

Name: nor larnen
Date: Saturday, January 4, 2003 at 06:05:06
Subject: Exclusive Forum
Submission:

What a terrific idea!

Name: Islander in Exile
Date: Saturday, January 4, 2003 at 04:08:50
Subject: Dedicated Forum for Pitcairn Descendants
Submission:

Apropos the previous entry, may I ask why there isn't a dedicated forum accessible only to Bounty Descendants at http://www.pitcairners.org/ ? Rather than airing our linen for the whole world to 'arter orn' in the style of a "mainlander" bun-fight; shouldn't we be following the tradition of our forebears, of civil, well mannered, communal discussion & reasoned debate? I also have a longstanding & bitter grievance with David Buffet; however I certainly would not consider attacking him publicly over it - especially under an alias. May I suggest, 'uckluns_side' as the appropriate rubric for an exclusive forum accessible only to authenticated Bounty Descendants using their real names.

Name: normatta
Date: Friday, January 3, 2003 at 19:22:09
Subject: still too small town
Submission:

As some one else suggested free postage may be an accepted perk of being on the assembly then why continue to slander a man who has been a faithful servant of the Island for so many years. The other accusations should also be substantiated. This same samll town attitude is I believe at the root of our language problems. A great deal of so called Islanders continue to be critical of anyone at all who tries to speak our langauge - when their own off spring can not even speak it! The same small minded pettiness that is predominate in this forum is killing our culture. Its a disgrace that the bulk of our people under 30 and even 40 are either unwilling or unable to speak our language in daily life. How can you bear to carry such a name as Quintal, Christian or McCoy en car tork Norfuk? fuwa? cos sullun gwen laugh oda yu unae! do mine dem ole sullen tunnen in dems graves - es we ought to be de one's se shame et!

Name: Danny Kerr
Australia
Date: Thursday, January 2, 2003 at 23:11:25
Subject: MP EXTRAVAGANZA !
Submission:

If this rip off it going on with MP's get out and protest get the masses down Kingston and demand the removal of these freeloaders. Mr Buffett has no doubt has his fingers into the honey pot - obviously had many years to learn all the tricks of getting what he can, paid by the public purse. If you are all sick of it going on kick him out of the position where he has been enjoying access to the money and perks. When you get results ... see he doesn't get back into power again.

Name: Tip o' the Iceberg
Date: Thursday, January 2, 2003 at 17:53:47
Subject: Just the tip
Submission:

The free postage is just the tip of the iceberg for our wonderful Minister who has mastered the art of "Gravy Training" over a good many years, both as a public servant and a polititian. Does the free postage lurk extend to other MPs or Admin staff or is our Minister Buffett the privileged one....and what about the time puting the cards together, no doubt using Administration resources and staff, not to mentioned the "privileged" information of names and addresses required to achieve the (electioneering exercise at the community's expense) not otherwise available to other less "important" people. And then of course there is the $35,000 private membership fees the Norfolk Island community funds each year so David Buffett can become one of the "galavanting gourmets" of the Commonwealth Parlimentary Association and tour the world (for what benefit to Norfolk Island), which we are told costs us nothing - how stupid do you think we are Mr Buffett??? Of course we also never hear about how the thousands and thousands of Frequent Flyer points which Mr Buffett accumulates (from his so called business trips at Norfolk Island's expense) are used ....they are certainly not used for the benefit of the Administration and Norfolk Island. Just the tip of the iceberg - its about time you came clean with this community Mr Buffett and stopped the rorting.

Name: Danny Kerr
Australia
Date: Thursday, January 2, 2003 at 06:38:53
Subject: Hospital drama
Submission:

Are you all getting still getting over Christmas & New Years Eve? Time to get the protests into action again. Don't let the Minister for Health & his cronies hoodwink you all. Keep delving never know what you might turn up! By the way all MP's use the free mail perk and guess your lot are no different to those on the mainland. Our state MP's even got free machines costing thousands of dollars to process their mail - now they don't even have to lick the envelopes or stuff the contents. You will have to get some spies inside the inner sanctom to really see what is going on.

Name: Off Island Observer
New Zealand
Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 18:15:37
Subject: Previous Entries
Submission:

Is it not also the case that most countries allow their parliamentary executive free postage etc. etc? It seems like a petty item to raise. There seems to be a fair bit of hatred of the present people in power holding the purse strings. Grow up! All politicians are the same whenst in power, whether there are many political parties or not. I believe Norfolk is non political?. Have a great new year and keep the comments flowing.

Name: pourri
Email:..
Location: someside, norfolk island
Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 17:57:07
Subject: re-dem nor larnen
Submission:

before we start a witchhunt about something as petty as stamps on a xmas card, we should really research our facts a bit better. Have you noticed that other mail, eg admin bills etc also have no stamp on. The reason being that anybody with a sizeable amount of mail can go in there, and bulkpost their mail without having to put stamps on. If you went in there beforehand, You would have been told this. I suppose the bit about free xmas cards is further unfounded gossip. Us islanders should be working together, not trying to drag each other down, which is exactly what some sections of the community would want.

Name: Dem nor Larnen
Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 02:22:03
Subject: Dem nor Larnen
Submission:

Enybody out dare ell larna me how cum da Cornel (David Buffett) el post his xmas cards with no stamp orn et. Who payen for dem in our post office to handle it and who payen for the cards - the Cornel or Admin?