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Name: Stolly
Email: stolly.nf
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 28 December 2004
Time: 10:52:37 AM
Mr Johnson HAS NOT been the Admin's CEO for 5 years. Perhaps someone should set the record straight on this one. Mmmmmmm - makes one wonder what crap was spent on his recruitment to NI.
Name: No Secret
Email: footalarn.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Tuesday, 28 December 2004
Time: 07:52:42 AM
COUNCILLORS have opted for a "fresh outlook" by appointing the chief administrative officer of Norfolk Island as Goulburn Mulwaree Council's first permanent general manager, overlooking three current senior managers who applied for the post.
Luke Johnson's appointment was announced this week after a two-month recruitment process. It followed interviews by a panel of all nine councillors with six short-listed candidates last Thursday.
He will take up the job from January 31 next year, replacing acting general manager Don Cooper.
Mr Cooper applied for the position along with acting assistant general manager Robert Mowle and environment and planning director, Chris Berry.
Mayor Paul Stephenson said the decision to appoint Mr Johnson was not unanimous among councillors, but was "pretty close."
"It's unfortunate for the two incumbents (Mr Cooper and Mr Mowle) but we have a whole new council and a new ballgame," he said.
"They also have extremely good qualifications but with a new council we hope to go forward with a new outlook."
Mr Johnson, who is in his early 40s, has been chief administrative officer for the past five years, under a contract ending this year.
Cr Stephenson said Mr Johnson's sound financial management skills and the fact that he managed diverse sectors such as an international airport, police and education helped sway the decision.
Before his island appointment, Mr Johnson occupied a senior role at Wingecarribee Shire Council and had a strong background in Local Government. His parents live in the Southern Highlands.
"His job will be to work with staff and restructure the whole council because at the moment we have two councils running.
We need to join ideas," Cr Stephenson said.
"We're also doing a new Local Environment Plan at the same time as fixing up water and sewerage and moving out of the Clinton St office by March next year to allow Corrective Services to lease it. So there are a lot of challenges ahead."
He paid tribute to Mr Cooper and Mr Mowle.
Mr Cooper said while he was disappointed at the outcome, he respected the council's right to make such decisions.
He said he intended to stay in Goulburn in the immediate future, have a good break, smell the roses for a while and consider a number of options for the future.
He will remain in his role until January 31.
Name: Oznorfolker
Email: homesick@ozemail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 24 December 2004
Time: 12:55:58 PM
Although now living in Australia, I have to support the 'choice' given to the residents of Norfolk. Its easy to knock the Assembly members but I'm sure these people make these brave decisions with copious amounts of forethought. I think its more important to place serious limits on an individuals first 5 years of driving, such as will happen in Australia soon. Most important of these are zero alchohol, power limited vehicles (no Skylines etc), advanced driver training and no more than 2 in a vehicle at any time.
Name: Norfolk Islander checking in
Email: norfolkbris-vegas@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 December 2004
Time: 05:40:38 PM
With all that is written in here regarding seatbelts and legislation, everything is put down to your own opinion. Seatbelts to me & my family are optional, none of us will wear one until we step foot into another country. Norfolk's way is your own way. As for the legislative assembly, one minute your encouraging young people to get involved into our government the next minute your dis-couraging them. What is wrong with us people? Why cant we as a community, work together encourage each other and respect everyone's own decisions. If you were to look down on me and my family for not wearing a seatbelt, then obviously you dont realise they we were. Sure accidents happen, but like we say, when your time is up, its up. Accept that. Everyone respect our rights and we'll respect yours. Simple.
Name: cheap phone
Email: cheapphone@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
Time: 02:14:04 PM
Phone wars could spell death for landline By Mike Barton and Colin Kruger December 21, 2004
A price war launched by mobile and internet phone companies could more than halve callers' bills next year - and analysts predict the traditional home phone may become largely redundant within five years.
At stake is the $8 billion home phone market dominated by Telstra. The shake-out is being spurred by aggressive Christmas
offers from mobile companies, with fixed-price "all-you-can-eat" deals for less than $50 a month.
According to the telecommunications analyst Paul Budde, mobile companies have already "poached" some landline customers. He
predicted even cheaper plans next year could push 10 to 15 per cent of people to give up landlines and their fees, expected
to reach $32 a month.
At the same time, internet phone products are being marketed aggressively through mainstream retailers. These give customers
a new portable number that allows them to use a traditional handset to make and receive calls using their broadband
connection. Savings are estimated to be about 30 per cent of current phone costs, with some providers offering 10 cent flat-
fee calls.
Advertisement AdvertisementFifty to 60 per cent of broadband subscribers might opt to use the net primarily to make calls in five years, Mr
Budde said.
Next year, Telstra will launch internet-based calls from homes. It has already introduced wireless broadband over mobile
networks to counter Unwired.
The managing director of mobile sales at Telstra, Murray Bergin, said the company was aware that people's relationship with
the home phone was changing. But he said falling mobile prices would be offset by increased use.
"Take-up in [mobile] usage is not something we should be afraid of ... that's why we're busy rolling out early deals," he
said.
The chief of the internet phone company Freshtel, Michael Carew, said people who replaced their home phone with a net phone
could save as much as 60 or 70 per cent next year by clever use of the new technology.
"There are going to be some massive changes in the next 12 months," he said.
Many bigger businesses in Australia have already converted to the internet for their phone calls. Mr Budde said the biggest
challenge to the phone giants would come from broadband providers moving into the home market.
Mr Carew said his company was developing internet call products for a group of 250 internet providers, "which almost makes [them] into little telcos".
Name: c.c. ryder
Email: beltup@optional
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
Time: 10:25:07 AM
To the anon. aussie imbecile reponsible for the previous post:
In a federal parliamentary committee's report on the aus. national road toll (EXCLUDING territories) - released June 22, 2004 - committee chairman Mark Neville stated that dealing with deaths and injuries on MAINLAND australian roads cost the country - wait for it:
$15 BILLION a year;
(now there's the price of backwards thinking for you vege-meister)
Mr Neville also recommended that the focus should extend beyond the thousands of annual road deaths to reducing the 22,000 serious road accident injuries each year.
The take-away, sport, is that rather than indulging the aussie predilection of interfering in the business of other jurisdictions in the region - try minding your own.
Name: In memory
Email: RightYa
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 21 December 2004
Time: 10:02:56 AM
Norfolk - I think the comment about short term memories in relation to the two beautiful girls who were torn from us at such an early stage of there life is just NOT fare!! I know myself that throughout this whole process re seatbelts/drink driving etc they have definately been in my mind even though I am against both for my own reasons! You have quite a cheek to ASSUME or to try and use the girls as a guilt trip against the assembly, especially Tim - are you trying to make it personal!! I believe NO-ONE on Norfolk will ever forget about the girls accident or any other sad and traggic accident from our past for that matter re Jason Richards, Charles Buffett, etc. Just because people do not want seat belts does not in any way mean we have no respect for and do not miss the beautiful people we have lost through road traffic accidents.
Name:
Email: aussie@aus.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 December 2004
Time: 06:08:53 PM
It's no wonder Norfolk cant get insurance cover for it's vehicles.
Did any bright spark in the assembly consider this before embarking on their decision "for the good of the island"?
Or is this yet another example of the backwards thinking of people on the island.
I hope my taxes I pay in Aus dont go toward paying for the hospitalisation costs of the next drunken imbecile from your island that requires medical treatment in Australia!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 19 December 2004
Time: 02:03:17 PM
Very interesting debate concerning "seatbelts"...in the USA the various states decide whether or not seatbelts and helmets are required. Here in Virginia, both seatbelts and helmets are required by law.
In my personal opinion, I feel that everyone who desires not to be constrained by the annoying pull of a seatbelt or the annoying confinement of hair unable to flow freely in the wind is also adult enough to realize that they risk becoming a vegetable (or worse) if accident causes injury.
The ONLY point that sways myself towards requiring seatbelts and helmets is that I would feel cheated if my taxpayer's dollars had to be spent taking care of some accident victim's veggie-brain who had no insurance all because they chose not to be constrained. Otherwise, I would opine to let drivers take the risk as they know what is at risk.
On a mutually exclusive note, HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL! The weather here is about 30F (-9C)...brrrr! We might have a white Christmas yet!
Paul
Name: to wear or not to wear
Email: ethu@carscade.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 December 2004
Time: 11:55:49 PM
My understanding is that the Government has given us the choice - you can wear your seat belts or dont wear your seat belts & same for Helmets. Sensible people will do the right thing, but for all the carry on in here, I dont see TOO many vehicles driving around with the occupants BELTED UP..... Seatbelts do save lives - but not always... Helmets are a different story and I would hate to see everyone riding motorbikes at the speed they do go without sturdy head gear protection.
Be Sensible.....All the time.....
Name: Your Own Choice
Email: asdfghjkl
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 December 2004
Time: 01:45:36 PM
The assembly has just made it optional to wear seat belts. The law is not stopping anyone from wearing one but gives you the choice not to.
Name: Your Own Choice
Email: asdfghjkl
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 December 2004
Time: 01:45:21 PM
The assembly has just made it optional to wear seat belts. The law is not stopping anyone from wearing one but gives you the choice not to.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 16 December 2004
Time: 09:13:03 PM
...and repealing the helmet law too! wow! as for the threatened exodus, Norfolk alweys bin en alweys gwen ell do without dem.
Name: Norfolk
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 16 December 2004
Time: 04:13:05 PM
Shame – I have to also say to you “well done on your submission”. Sadly – some people can be very blasé about things until it hits home. Yes – I reiterate – I just hope no relative of the nine Norfolk Island Legislative Assembly members are victims of car accidents at any time – but more so over the holiday period. To say I am astounded at Tim Brown is an understatement and he may not realise it now – but his motions to repeal seatbelts and helmets could have serious ramifications against him in time to come. Mark my words!
Name: Shame
Email: dissapointingtime@norfolk.nf
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Thursday, 16 December 2004
Time: 12:41:45 PM
Theres an old saying "Don't Tempt Fate" well I am afraid the Norfolk Island Government just has!
To those who supported the repeal, you may feel nice and safe running around the island without your seatbelt on, you may even say who cares, I couldn't give a stuff...I bet you will give a stuff if one of your loved ones is killed as result of not wearing the belt! By then the education has come too late...too many sullen think it won't happen to them...because it never does...or does it?
Doesn't matter if it is 40km an hour or 100km an hour, your head, neck and body are not designed to take the sudden impact as you travel through the windscreen...good luck to you.
Name: Norfolk
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 2004
Time: 03:59:20 PM
Oh Dear - You are 100% correct in what you say. Piss poor effort at today's meeting. I just hope the next victim [accident] is not a relation to any of the 9 members.
Name: oh dear
Email: poorfrom@assembly
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 2004
Time: 12:52:09 PM
So one of the members of our assembly's answer for those who don't agree with him in relation to road trafic laws is to get on a flight out of here. How many Islanders should be packing up now? Hardly where the discussion should go. Just be prepared to accept that when the next life is lost, perhaps it could have actually been prevented. Beleive it, or not.
Name: Norfolk
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 2004
Time: 10:57:01 AM
Quite obvioulsy people have VERY SHORT and SELECTIVE MEMORIES. They have obvioulsy [including Tim] forgotten the very sad funeral of two young ladies just over a year ago. No - none of us like change - but sadly we have to accept them whether we like them or not and this is thanks to the few who have stuffed up things for everyone else. It takes only one or two to bugger things up for everyone else.
Name: fred - the seat belt dude
Email: listeningclosely@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 2004
Time: 10:26:30 AM
Today is the day that the assembly decides our road laws. Are the arguments put forward by young tim and our elected souls going to be factual in nature, or just sound kinda that way? If the arguments are of a values nature - then say it...please don't try to sound well researched into the facts if all the argument is based on is a subjective, emotional opinion.
We'll listen with interest.
Name: Love to live
Email: Seatbelts@norfolk.might.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 10 December 2004
Time: 04:46:16 PM
There has been a number of good issues for and against seatbelts within the forum and disccussed around the island...well done yorlye!
One thing I would like to ask the majority of knockers who do not think seatbelt laws should not apply...when you board the 737 or F100 aircraft to fly to the mainland, do you put your seat belt on as instructed to by the air hostess or do you argue that you have the right to choose not to wear one?
In fact it may seem a little of a little for nothing when you come to think of it, as if the aircraft nose dives and hits the ground at high speed the belt wont do much either???
Not the same I hear you say...probably not...the only difference is that you hit a little harder?? But yet you put your seat belt on just the same no doubt and say nothing about it??
If the law was such that seat belts are mandatory and that wearing them was optional, no doubt most will opt not to wear as demonstrated now...most jap imports already have the seat belts in them, but very few people wear them! Why introduce a law such as that when we already have a choice to wear or not to wear, why inforce the belts to be installed in a car when no one will use them?
It is not the little piece of webbing that is the problem...the problem is being told you have no choice but to wear it that stinks...but what can stink even more...being in a hospital bed and being spoon feed and having some one wipe your &^*^% for you don't you think? Having family members in tears not knowing what the outcome will finally be?(It doesn't take much of a knock to the head to cause this...I have witnessed it for myself!!)
Why wait for legislation, prove to the Government that you don't need to be told to wear a belt. If the majority of the road users were to wear their seat belts, there would be no need to introduce such laws would there?
Still good point from both side of the fence...in the meantime I don't need legislation to tell me to wear my belt...I already do it and really there is no hassle in doing so, what only takes seconds to do may save a life time of misery. In reality if I am going to die with my seat belt on, then it would be nothing in the world was going to save me anyhow...when your calling card is up its up!
Name: LOL
Email: LOL@LOL.COM
Country: Iceland
Date: Friday, 10 December 2004
Time: 04:09:12 PM
u guys c that new taxi driver? ozzie osborn hey, lol, maybe theres something more going on then meets da eye, lol!
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Oceans
Date: Wednesday, 08 December 2004
Time: 02:28:11 PM
Paul: yu se du'guud brud - d'waey yu gwen yu'ell suun tork Norfuk baata den ucklun :) ...on a lighter note, my work is done. (Whereas the work of the neo-cons, stateside, certainly isn't ...you might soon need that bottle of southern comfort yourself DY.)
The 20 Oct.'04 result (http://www.gov.nf/Election2004/index.pl) was an excellent outcome for Norfolk & once again confirms the political savvy of the entire community.
Norfolk - stay young, stay FREE!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 07 December 2004
Time: 04:39:27 PM
Where is Se Grarbamoon?!
The man speaks his mind which is appreciated! We love the info, Grarbamoon! Keep on posting and a bottle O' Kaintuck's fienest ess yers for itty! :)
DY
Name: Skyesong
Email: skyesong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 December 2004
Time: 11:52:02 PM
I have heard that there is a dog obedience and agility club on Norfolk Island. Does anyone have a contact name and email address for this club?
Thankyou
Name: Born and Bred
Email: Islander
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 December 2004
Time: 11:28:58 PM
I have just spent the whole day reading through the entire forum for 2004. It makes me proud and sad to say that I am part of this beautiful place. Over the last few years I have lost faith in Norfolk Island for lots of different reasons most of them stated in this forum paedophilia, murder, racism, all the yucky things I never thought Norfolk would be. Norfolk still is though always close to my heart and no matter what, it is always my home.
I read about a family earlier from Kiwi that wanted to know if they would be treated badly when they got here. The truth is that the majority of Norfolk will welcome them in and make it possible for them to enjoy the absolute wonderment of the Norfolk spirit and hospitality. The catch is that there are, as in every place you go to "the riff raff" of the place you are visiting or living in.
I am an islander through and through and to this day when I come home I get the best welcome anyone can deserve but if you want to go to a pub, RSL, brewery any sort of normal establishment to get a drink. Don't expect to get the same hospitality in there. It is almost like walking into one of those olden day saloons where the entire place stops dead in its tracks to see who just walked in the door. You then get looked up and down by all dem sullen and depending on who it is cop a filthy look or are completely ignored. Now as an islander I forgive easily for that, because once everyone clicks to who you are and they remember, the attitude changes. But god help anyone that isn't an Islander it must feel very icy to them and quite frosty even in Norfolk weather.
The way I see it in my humble opinion is if you don't recognise us or you don't know who we are please don't make it uncomfortable or icy. Norfolk is such a beautiful place with wonderful people and sometimes sullen jes wun fe set down en how one drink, we nor gwen hut. Say hello we may just say hello back.
Reading all this today has brought back great memories and I have had a few laughs at the antics of all yourlye. So thanks I appreciate it. The only thing now is that I just realised that the forum goes back a couple more years so I will need an extra couple of days to get through it all.
I miss Norfolk alot but am at the point now where I wonder wether I would like to bring my kids up there anymore if going by all the words said it seems like it is not as nice as I remember it being when I was a kid and teenager there.
Come on yourlye PLEASE prove me wrong. Make it a happier place to be it sounds very sad to me at the moment very sad indeed.
Name: csm
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 04 December 2004
Time: 11:31:12 AM
I'm a long time visitor to the island (20 visits so far) and hungry for local news. I'm wondering if there is a kind soul over there willing to purchase and post the local weekly paper to me? I'm of course willing to pay for all costs and a little more on top of that for your time. Newspapers could be saved up and posted every few weeks, not necessarily every week.
Email me at cazara27@yahoo.com.
THANK YOU!
Name: TERRIE CHEN
Email: terrie@astro-win.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 December 2004
Time: 03:29:10 PM
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Name: Sydney Morning Herald
Email: abcd
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 December 2004
Time: 09:42:02 AM
Ireland lifts scam call block order Dublin December 1, 2004 - 10:11AM
Page Tools Email to a friend Printer format A block order on direct dial telephone calls from Ireland to 13 countries introduced last month to crack down on growing internet scams has been lifted by the country's communications regulator.
The move against the countries, most of them South Pacific Islands, was brought in to tackle rogue auto-dialler programs and modem hi-jacking that left Irish internet users with high telephone calls charges to international destinations.
The Commission for Communications Regulation (ComReg) said what were exceptional measures were now being revoked as service providers were in talks to provide "a robust solution" which would ensure the protection of consumers.
"I am pleased with the discussions to date and the progress that has been made at an industry level to help deal with this issue," ComReg chairman John Doherty said on Tuesday.
Innocent victims of the frauds were being refunded and there were "enhanced procedures and practices" to deal with the fraudsters.
Advertisement Advertisement"ComReg will also explore with other bodies how the problem can be addressed on an international basis," a statement said.
Comreg had been contacted by hundreds of people about high phone bills resulting from the scams.
The amounts involved mainly ranged from €20 to €2000 but one business incurred charges of €12,000.
Calls had been blocked to Norfolk Island, Sao Tome and Principe, Cook Islands, Tokelau, Diego Garcia, Wallis and Futuna, Nauru, Tuvalu, Comoros, Kiribati, Solomon Islands, Mauritania and French Polynesia.
AFP
Name: csm
Email: my@email
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 29 November 2004
Time: 01:30:44 PM
As a long time visitor to Norfolk (over 20 visits in 18 years), I can't understand all this fuss over seatbelts. I've never worn one, but then again, I don't break the speed limit either.
Enforce the speed limit and seatbelts won't be such an issue.
Name: Own Preference
Email: Knockers
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 November 2004
Time: 01:20:26 PM
Secret,
thanks for the tips however as we are not all computers (you may very well be) nobody is perfect 100% of the time. I also did not come on the forum to argue simple matters I wanted to state my "Own Opinion" hence MY NAME....
I would also like to believe that there is someone in the Government that would take the time to read this Forum as many opinions from the public are so openly expressed here.
Name: Secret
Email: Secret
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 28 November 2004
Time: 09:50:05 AM
I agree with others in this forum in saying that there has Definitely been a screw up when defining Admin and the government and that many Admin workers are not being looked after. Own Preference i have always found that it is best to check what i'm writting before i submit it and secoundly it would seem apparent that Admin or the Government is not listeing to you.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 November 2004
Time: 02:31:05 PM
Own Preference: If I may just expand on your comment, "at the end of the day the main people that get well looked after are the people in the offices down town", it depends on who you are at admin as to whether or not you get looked after. Not all admin workers are "looked after."
Name:
Email: -
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 November 2004
Time: 01:35:42 PM
It's funny how most those who have the privelge to make Norfolk's decision all have the same opinion, but its normally not what most of Norfolk's community agrees on. I think referenas are the best way to make Norfolk's decisions. That way everyone gets to have their say.
Name: Sad Bastard
Email: cc@bcc
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Thursday, 25 November 2004
Time: 12:52:25 PM
(a) insightful quote of the epoch: ""I think the Poms see arrogance as one of their most endearing qualities." http://www.theindependent.co.nz/story2.html
(b)how many sea-dogs in the 1700's could write as eloquently as this??: http://www.mass.gov/lib/bounty/page11.htm
Name: OwnPreference
Email: Knockers
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 November 2004
Time: 10:28:05 AM
Sorry Furrett;
I actually think your statistics maybe incorrect - Most Admin Knockers are actually people that WORK for Admin...... It's nice to be Loyal to your work place or maybe our Islands Administration but at the end of the day the main people that get well looked after are the people in the offices down town.... would this be you included??
ME;
Sorry about the confusion between Admin and the Government and at the same time...... NICE STATEMENT!!
Name: KaaWhaa
Email: KaaWhaa
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 25 November 2004
Time: 08:13:13 AM
"About time they started listening to their supporters!!!"
From reading this forum it would give the impression that admin doesn’t have any?
Name: Sorry Furrett
Email: howsad.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 November 2004
Time: 07:24:00 AM
Oh dear - here we have some "knockers" who probably have been unsuccessful in getting jobs with Admin - change your attitude about them and you might be surprised. It is a known fact that most Admin knockers are those who have had some grievance with them somewhere down the track.
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 November 2004
Time: 09:10:42 PM
"I know there are alot of people in Admin that think that they are the Government but they are not." Never has a truer word be spoken!!
Name: ME
Email: me.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 23 November 2004
Time: 03:58:02 PM
OwnPreference
"it is obvious that some of our opinions do not matter to admin"
Please don't get the Government and Admin mixed up.
I know there are alot of people in Admin that think that they are the Government but they are not.
Name: OwnPreference
Email: Seatbelts
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 23 November 2004
Time: 03:41:28 PM
SEAT BELTS;
At the end of the day the only life you will be saving by wearing a seatbelt is your own...... If you decide not to wear one then it is your own risk... If you decide to wear one and it makes you feel safer then horray for you...
Personally I do not have a problem with either.
To Wear or Not to Wear - that is the question.
At the end of the day we are going to be told to click it or not, it is obvious that some of our opinions do not matter to admin or they may have taken the petition against seat belts into consideration rather than acting like GOD and deciding to hell with what we all think!
About time they started listening to their supporters!!!
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 November 2004
Time: 06:33:42 AM
It seems to me that if the assembly were to modify the bill to make seatbelts mandatory in the vehicles, but optional for the occupants to wear them, then everybody would appear to be happy. The assembly has appeared responsible for making sure that every vehicle on Norfolk has seatbelts in them, and the people have the freedom to wear them as they see fit. The only problem I have with this is that in the case of an accident, where the occupants were NOT wearing their seat belts, the question of whether or not the seatbelts would have prevented a death or injury would always be raised.
Name: Choice to wear seatbelts
Email: N.I.
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 November 2004
Time: 08:47:54 PM
In response to 007’s post on 15 November, I would like to point out that the cause of Caines accident into the dam was caused by falling asleep at the wheel. The way to determine that they were not traveling at an excessive speed was that the vehicle landed at the very edge of the dam, if it had have been traveling at an excessive speed it would have traveled further into the middle.
Seatbelts don’t always save lives but you always feel safer wearing a seatbelt. However, Norfolk seems to be getting on just fine with it being a choice whether you want to wear it or not, if we keep it that way everyone will be happy.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 November 2004
Time: 08:11:29 PM
Sorry, lost half of my comment with the last submission. It is about statements made this day on channel 10 re pitcairn rape case. Please lady do not presume to speak for all people of Pitcairn descent. I for one do not agree with you. You use the term "our Cousins" . Does that mean we should pat them on the head and say it's okay. What about the "Cousins" who are or were the victims.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 November 2004
Time: 08:05:54 PM
rd the charges in the first place. Rape is rape sexual abuse is just that and as for the "God fearing people" comment., if that was the case then we wouldn't be having this conversation on Forum. Get a grip and whether the Mayor of Pitcairn is a friend or not he and the others have been found guilty by a court of law. This is 2004 and it is not acceptable. So "Cuzzin" you are not speaking for all of us , just yourself
Name: fred - the seat belt dude
Email: upthehillwithastick@belts
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 11:02:59 PM
nor larnen - I agree to disagree..
Unfortunately this is out of our hands - or at least that's how it feels....
Name: Fraser Bligh
Email: fraserbligh@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 02:27:05 PM
Belated congratulations to a young Tim Brown. Good luck to you and hope your political career goes from strength to strength. Good Luck mate
Name: dare to be different
Email: @gainst.the.grain
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 01:33:50 PM
norfolkers, having advised the telco oligopolies exactly where they can insert their mobile phones - maybe you should now tell the fossil fuel mafiosi exactly where they can shove their gas guzzlers & opt for the optimum in vehicle horsepower: http://www.jimtardio.com/amish/amish-horse-buggy-big.html
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 11:25:25 AM
Fred the seat belt dude, I could post links to sites that argue against the case for seat belts - would that make me right? You could do the same arguing for seat belts but would that make you right? Which studies don't have an agenda and are flawless?
You are right in pointing out the difficulty of enforcing the speed limit, how much easier is it going to be enforcing the wearing of seatbelts?
I admit it, I think Norfolk is being over governed. I agree with other posters let individuals decide for themselves.
p.s. I too have had an immediate member of my family killed in a car accident on Norfolk
Name: Pussa
Email: carwhosme@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 10:00:20 AM
8 years ago I had a mate in a head on collision in a 100km/hour zone. Him and his girl friend were both wearing seat belts.
My mates seat belt snapped from the impact and he got flung from the car. His girlfriends seat belt stayed intact.
Today my mate is still living but his girlfriend wasn't so lucky and past away.
Seat belts are a great idea, but don't always save lives.
Name: Roses ar Red
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 08:43:52 AM
I have had a family member killed from a car accident, more over, here on Norfolk.
I still cringe at the loss of a wonderful person, and at a young age.
But what i'm trying to say is .... make it a choice to wear a seatbelt..... not a law....Once a law always a law.
By all means, if you've go a seatbelt use it.
It's your choice.
-- dar thing fe Fletch --
I se larna you, i se kah wah
Name: notsaying
Email: notsaying
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 08:19:20 AM
kawhaa and roses are red:
wait until someone from your family is hurt in an accident when it could have been prevented by wearing a seatbelt. then we'll see what your reaction is.
Name: KaaWhaa
Email: KaaWhaa
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 08:08:52 AM
Finally someone says it how it is!
Name: Roses ar Red
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 November 2004
Time: 07:42:38 AM
For the seat belt issue.
Perhaps.....whether wearing one is safe or not...does it really matter?
Why change a law to suit some of the people.....when most have been happy without it.
Baby... if you've got it, use it....if you don't it's your decision.
makes both sides of the arguement happy.....
-- as Archie tull --
BAS SIDE ORN EARTH
Name: fred - the seat belt dude
Email: speedcameras@norlarnensnorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 16 November 2004
Time: 10:05:07 PM
It is OK to have an opinion, however again to it's important to be able to back it up.
norlarnen - can you please let us know more about these studies, as they throw the majority of world experts into disrepute. Car companies and safety organisations all over the world must be mistaken.
So the answer is to enforce the speed limit. How is that going to happen? Speed cameras on every corner - increase the policing ten fold? Heaftier fines and loss of licence for offenders? Speed bumps through town, KAAVA and all the way to the Again - get real. Perhaps these ideas would have an impact but is that what we want? What do you suggest norlarnen? We could believe that risk takers will continue to drive and continue to crash at high speeds and low speeds - because unfortunately they probably will. So - tell them to wear a seat belt - and enforce the speed limit.
To claim that we have reaction times good enough to deal with sudden stops at any speed shows a mistaken overconfidence in yourself and fellow humans. Ask anyone who has had a cow step out whilst in the fog at night, or had a rear end crash at very low speed.......why are there crashes now and people injured by their dash boards on Norfolk? Do reaction times not work at the moment, or will be activated only once we crush the proposed legislation?
norlarnen - I respect your opinion but think you are wrong.
Name: An Islander
Email: here.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 16 November 2004
Time: 08:19:51 PM
There are certain criterias that must be met before one can just "move here for good". You might like to phone the Immigration department first on +6723 22140 to find out the requirements. People are made welcome by all means except those who treat us islanders/locals as if we were second class citizens in our own country/home. The upshot is if you assimilate with everyone here - you'll be right. I hope all works out for you and your family.
Name: tourist turned resident?
Email: northwestdesign@slingshot.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 16 November 2004
Time: 07:40:07 PM
A question for the locals who frequent the forum . . .. My wife and I are coming for our fifth visit to Norfolk soon. We came up about nine years ago on our honeymoon and somehow we have fallen in love with Norfolk. We bought the kids up this year (ages 5 and 7) and like us, they want to come back and stay for good. Heres the big question? Will we be accepted and welcomed into this tight little community? We are young, married, happy and willing to lay it all on the line, shifting lock, stock and barrel. We can tough out a reasonable period while the Islanders figure out we are honest and committed. I would be gutted if my kids were rejected for starting out as Kiwis. Can you tell us straight if Norfolk wants us? Reading the forum I see some negative comment about kiwis and immigration matters generally. How deep does it go? We live in a small rural community, only a little larger than Norfolk. The dependance on Auckland, our closest big city, had altered the fabric of the township. The speed of the lifestyle takes away the time you spend with family and friends and we want to return to some of those 'old-fashioned' values. We are not retiring, avoiding tax or looking for an easy way out. We always give it 100% and want to integrate completely, knowing full well it will take time. Shifting is a huge committment and we need to be sure we are doing the right thing. We welcome any comment, either here or send it direct to my email. Sincerely, Adrian and Liz.
Name: norlarnen
Email: devils@advocate
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 16 November 2004
Time: 02:43:52 PM
Studies have proven that seatbelts provide a false sense of security that result in people driving faster than they would without a seatbelt.
The 50km speed limit is adequate for our roads and offer ample time to react to any dangerous situation.
Enforce the speed limits!
Name:
Email: @norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 16 November 2004
Time: 09:52:42 AM
Pitcairn men were following custom: McCullough By Jane Sullivan
November 16, 2004
The best-selling author Colleen McCullough has joined the debate on the Pitcairn Island rape trials, saying the men convicted of the rapes should have been allowed to follow their "custom" and have sex with young girls.
"They are as much Polynesian as anything else," she said. "It's Polynesian to break your girls in at 12."
In a phone interview from her home on Norfolk Island to promote her latest book, McCullough said: "The Poms have cracked the whip and it's an absolute disgrace. These are indigenous customs and should not be touched. These were the first people to inhabit Pitcairn Island, and they are racially unique.
"It's hypocritical, too," she said. "Does anybody object when Muslims follow their customs? Nobody's afraid of 50 Polynesians, but they are very afraid of a million Muslims."
Last month four Pitcairn Island men, including the mayor, Steve Christian, were jailed by the island's Supreme Court for raping young girls.
The trial deeply divided the community, with some arguing that sex with young girls was part of the island culture.
But the Pitcairn public prosecutor, Simon Moore, said the trials had sent a strong signal to a society in which men had abused young girls with impunity for decades.
Pitcairn Islanders are descended from HMS Bounty mutineers and Polynesians, and about a third of Norfolk Island's 1800 residents trace their ancestry back to the 194 Pitcairners who settled the abandoned penal colony in 1856.
Some of them later returned to Pitcairn.
McCullough, who has lived on Norfolk Island for the past 20 years, is married to Ric Robinson, a native Norfolk Islander and former minister in the island's government.
He is a direct descendant of the Bounty mutineers Fletcher Christian, William McCoy, John Adams and Matthew Quintal, as well as of Tahitian Polynesians.
McCullough is visiting Melbourne this week to promote her new novel and 16th book, Angel Puss.
Name: Norfolk Islander
Email: n.f
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 15 November 2004
Time: 09:20:36 PM
I as a Norfolk Island want to know why we treat T.E.P different. I have just had some friend over here for New Zealand and they went to the RSL to have a few drink and meet a few other people that were T.E.P and G.E.p and was told not to go to a bar as it was a local bar. I was very upset with this comment and asked around why this was as I dont go out much as I have a few kids, It would seem that All T.E.P and G.E.Ps feel the same way. As a Norfolk Island I tryed to find out why we feel this way to T.E.P and G.E.P and came up with this, Over the years I have made a lot of good friend and have watched them leave the airport and never seen again,I have also seen people come over here and use norfolk for tax reason or other reasons.But I think we have to open our hearts and let every one give there reasons before we judge them for other mistakes
Name: Ear Muffs
Email: like-to-sleep-in-the-night
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 15 November 2004
Time: 09:08:40 PM
While we are on the seat belt issue,
How's about the government start handing out some ear muff's to humans and animals alike....
Cause i am sick to death of that *BOOM BOOM BLOODY BOOM * noise coming from the younger sullens cars.
el drive a fulla mard.
Name: 007
Email: 007.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 15 November 2004
Time: 04:08:10 PM
I agree with the previous two submissions. One has to look at the BIG picture and realise that whether we like it or not the island is changing and has done for a while. We are getting more and more cars – and faster ones at that plus – if they do away with the seat belt law – do any of you realise just how much this will push our insurance premiums through the roof??? And possibly increase vehicle registration??? There are always other ‘taxes’ in the fine print and I bet no-one has given any thought to these issues. The upshot is – not everyone can afford to afford the luxuries and it is high time this is realised by young and old alike. Not everyone on this island earns high wages. No one on this island provide ‘benefits’ to those who find it tough or who struggle. I am a Norfolk Islander and I too despise all these changes – but it is reality and whether we like it or not things have to improve on the roads and if it means seat belts and a breathalyser – then so be it. I don’t want to see any of my loved ones killed by the speeding loonies & drug and drunk heads or indeed if they are speeding themselves. If wearing seat belts will save lived – then go for it. As much as I don’t like it – it has become a necessity. Oh before I sign off – in last week’s Assembly Lorraine Boudan mentioned that if the people who ran off into the damn recently had been wearing seat belts - they would not have “got out” – my, and heaps of others reply is this – if they weren’t SPEEDING they would not have ended up in the damn in the first place with or without seatbelts. You can’t convince me that these kids weren’t breaking the speed limits.
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 15 November 2004
Time: 06:29:59 AM
It's a known fact that seat belts save lives. Just about every other country in the world say that seat belts must be worn when travelling in a vehicle - why should Norfolk be any different? I'm not saying go with the flow with the rest of the world, but that all these other countries have done this for various reasons, including but not limited to the fact that seat belts save lives and because it is cheaper for governments to implement a seat belt law than to pay all the medical bills for accident victims. I agree with the seat belt dude, not everybody travels at 50km/h on these roads, which puts the projected cost of an accident, in both money and lives affected, up a few notches. I believe that the assembly was showing great responsibility in introducing this bill to try to save the lives of the islanders. It may be a change to the Norfolk lifestyle by making everybody wear seatbelts, but it's a change for the better, designed to make Norfolk a safer place, for us, our visitors, and our children.
Name: fred - the seat belt dude again
Email: oops@forum
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 14 November 2004
Time: 10:53:11 PM
please excuse the typos.
Name: fred - the seat belt dude
Email: credibleornot@thatsthequestion
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 14 November 2004
Time: 10:43:15 PM
Well folk's, it certainly was entertaining listening to the latest discussion on seat belts and open tray travel road acts last Wednesday. Perhaps the most disappointing fact was that so many statements were made using no scietific evidence what so ever. Emotive langauge and percieved popularist views were abound. Claims were made here and there and made with such authority. To make a decision which is so important for our community surely requires some level of reliable evidence. Yet we hear statements such as 'the state of our roads' are the case of accidents and that needs to be our focus, not the seat belts. The fact is that the single biggest factor in accidents is driver error - whether that be inexperience, alchohol, fatigue or speed. It's certainly true that roads are a problem and that if everybody drove sensibly then we'd be OK...but have a look around. Let's get real. Not all drivers travel at 50km/h on Norfolk and even if they did - impacts without seat belts even at low speed are more than likely going to cause bodily damage. Those who argue this basic point need to read have a look at all the evidence around. If you want it in basic terms then check out:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/kids/research/seatbelt/index.html
Go to any site relating to seat belt info and you will see the benefit.
To those MLA's who wish to crush the proposed road, at least provide some intelligent discussion based on credible fact, rather than attempting to sound like you have any idea of what are on about.
Debate away.
Name: An Avid Listener
Email: listen.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 13 November 2004
Time: 09:57:11 AM
Reubz - You can start by talking less. That would be a good move. If there was less chit chat especially from you - then there wouldn't be all this toing and froing on here
Name: Reubz
Email: reubz@raggedrock.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 13 November 2004
Time: 08:59:35 AM
To All,
Thank you all for your support, I will endevour to improve my show as I go. As I said before, I am always open to positive suggestions, as I am sure are the other announcers.
Reubz
Name: cardo
Email: cardo@ni.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 12 November 2004
Time: 11:22:49 PM
Re RADIO NORFOLK - Dont criticise the announcers if you cant do better yourselves or cant be bothered to give it a try. I think our little Radio Station does a good job - except TOO MUCH REPETATIVE NOTICES... We dont need that every hour on the hour... As for the music played, there is good variety of music to suite all tastes. All the announcers do a good job, some better than others, but Hey, they willing to give it a go. Keep going Rubz, you nor dar baed...
Name: KaaWha
Email: KaaWha
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 12 November 2004
Time: 04:29:14 PM
I would just like to say Reubz you are doing a good job. Like you say, you cant please everyone. At least you put a bit of effort into your show. Not like other announcers who have been doing it for the last 20 years and still cant go five minutes without stuffing it up!!!!!!
Name: Reubz
Email: reubz@raggedrock.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 12 November 2004
Time: 11:35:54 AM
Desiderata! nice
Name: Peace
Email: 1.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Friday, 12 November 2004
Time: 11:23:35 AM
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
Name: Mandy
Email: ConstructiveCriticism
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 12 November 2004
Time: 11:08:02 AM
In regards to Reuben's air time - I personally think that alot of the people that are criticising his show personally do not like Reuben as a person. I know for a fact in alot of conversation here on Norfolk Reuben is not one of the more liked people here and mainly because he DOES know a little more than the majority of us in certain areas and is not scared to admit it! Personally, like some other listners I actually do not mind his show at all, some of his "events and facts" are actually quite interesting to some of us. Unfortunately, like has been said before, there are 5 slots + volunteers on the radio on most days and hopefully out of each of the full days air time every single person on Norfolk would have enjoyed at least one of those shows. You can't please everyone all of the time!!! I personally think that between all of the different shows that I listen to on most days from 9 - 5 that there is quite a good balance of different personalities, points of interest, music etc. In future, rather than ripping people of personally for their tireless efforts at trying to keep ALL of us happy try lodging some ideas to George about what YOU would LIKE to hear on the radio station. There appears to be a whole lot of criticism about the shows on the radio but no fresh ideas on what you would like to hear???
Name: Chris
Email: closeby.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 12 November 2004
Time: 08:19:27 AM
Long time listener - you must be a very close friend of the person mentioned or a DJ yourself. You obviously don't listen to his voice, his music and stupid so called funny segments. Yes - at 11am every day - we do switch off and play CDs because of his winding, wurring, high pitched and irritating voice. Most other announcers are great but there is always one that wrecks it for everyone. He has been told to his face that he is woeful and talks too much - so it isn't as though he doesn't know. Don't get me wrong - he's a nice guy - it is his voice and presentation. Why is it there are a few who constantly play the dop ins? we know who is on air and don't need reminding. All in all VL2NI is a great station - there are just a couple who cah do.
Name: longtimelistener, first time caller
Email: radio@odds.com
Country: Saint Kitts and Nevis
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 11:20:48 PM
I'm sure that Radio guys put a lot of time and effort in...apart from the foul language, the team is doing well. If you don't like it, turn it off! There's one answer. Better still, approach George and do a program yourself...then we can judge you. I beleive Ruebz presents interesting info with a great tongue in cheek approach. Keep it going and well done.
Name: Joy
Email: me@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 07:00:14 PM
I'd just like to say hats off to all the announcers on VL2NI - I know I wouldn't be able to do it. And like it's been said - there's always that "off" switch for the programmes which don't suit your personal tastes.
Name: I like VL2NI
Email: VL2NI
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 04:35:32 PM
I like Rubez, keep it going mate.
Name: Island Chippy
Email: onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 03:19:48 PM
Reubz - by writing back on here - you have opened yourself right up. You are one of the worst down there and if anyone blows your trumpet mate - it is you only!! If you are going to submit stuff on here then for goodness sake do a "spell check first. It is our choice to remain ANONYMOUS. You still talk too much and there is no need to make excuses or to explain - we switch you off so it doesn't matter. Take a listen to yourself and you will see what we mean.
Name: Reubz
Email: reubz@raggedrock.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 01:33:02 PM
To All in response,
Radio to say the very least is tricky, especially in a small community where one station serves all. I can and will only speak for my show. Here's what I have to fit in. Kiwi News 11:30 Local News 12:00 Aussie News 12:30 on top of that 8 sposored time calls, and anywhere up to 5 live reads depending on whats happening on the Island. To try and please as many people as possible, I do today in history and birthdays to cover as much older music as possible. Then after 12 new releases and Potential 'New classics' for without new classics we will be listening to the Doobie Brothers etc for the next 100 years.
The interesting thing is that everytime I cut something out, for instance "Hollywood Hotline" I get calls asking why because they enjoy it.
I am always open to new ideas, as I think you will find are most of the other annoucers. So to conclude, everybody likes something different, and you can't please everybody all the time.
As for the annonamous knockers who make it personal, by all reports you are in the minority.
If you mean it,put your name to it. I do every day "The Big in the Middle Show" 11to1 on Radio Norfolk
Sincerely Reubz
PS This is a unencrypted website, you are not as annonamous as you might think.
Name: spring chicken
Email: back.in.the.day
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 01:04:45 PM
hear, hear, & how about a few more golden oldies from the swinging thirties, like Rudy Vallee, Bing Crosby & Betty Boop etc.
Name: Older Person
Email: 50s.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 11:01:55 AM
To the person who wrote the last entry. Just in case you have forgotten - it isn't just 'young ones' on this island. There is a wide variety of music for everyone and in fact all radios have an "off" switch if we don't like what we hear - so if you don't like the '50's +' - then switch off. It is as simple as that. Finally - yes a survey might be ther way to go as those in control need to realise that there is way too much "yapp yapp" on the radio. Even I like to listen to music and that is why heaps of us love Sunday radio........we hear good music but especially the Norfolk language which is what Norfolk is about nort?
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 November 2004
Time: 10:19:29 AM
I totally agree with you. some of the craap on the Radio is un-bearable and another survey is needed. some of the "old dears" need to wake up and realise that the 50's are over.
Name: One Dude
Email: here.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 November 2004
Time: 04:17:27 PM
Yeah - me and my mates agree with Island Chippy. The crap that comes from the radio here on Norfolk is beyond the joke. The worst shows are the Pig in the Middle and the Aftas. The rest are good as we do get music. There's too much talking, pathetic wise cracks, and quite right - we don't need the news all the time. We want music to work to not boring irritating voices - in particular between 11 and 4. There are some really good announcers and theer are some who could learn from these good people. How about another survey???
Name: Island Chippy
Email: onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 November 2004
Time: 11:16:00 AM
You know – it is a REAL worry to hear how poorly Ron Nobbs answered the questions put to him about the Radio Station. What a JOKE!! Quite obviously – he does not listen to the radio and the questions asked were just too hard for him. What a worry for Norfolk!!
I requested Tim Sheridan to ask the questions and thanks for that mate! You did very well. Maybe you should be the Minister for Telecommunications!
A message for you Mr Nobbzzzzzzzzzzz. I realise we get overseas broadcasts. We all know that. I asked questions about the Norfolk Island Radio station. Not JJJ, Spirit etc. The questions were based on NORFOLK ISLAND radio!! The current programming, the songs played over VL2NI that have swear words. In other words announcers who play them continually. As Minister – take a listen or go down and have a look Mr Nobbzzzzzzz. The station is definitely going backwards through the lack of good control and management. It is sounding very obvious Mr Nobbzzzzzzz.
There are some announcers who just go on and on and obviously love the sound of their own voices. There is too much [far too much] talking on the radio. The 'on the hour every hour' notices go on and on and is boring and clearly needs to be investigated as it is 'in your face'. this is not a dig at the DJ's because we are lucky that we do have just a few really good DJ’s who know how to entertain. Do what you have been put there to do Ron - make some consteructive decisions and changes.
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 09 November 2004
Time: 09:55:49 PM
There was a good letter in the paper a couple of weeks ago about the silence of the administration regarding a few important issues raised by the public. Does anybody else have any thoughts on the issues raised?
Name: MATT & SUZIE BIGG
Email: ornnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 02 November 2004
Time: 10:58:49 AM
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Name: Not just us
Email: abcdefg....
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 02 November 2004
Time: 08:52:42 AM
Charged for calls she never made Dial-up Internet user could have been a victim of 'modem jacking' By Arlina Arshad , Straits Times 1 Nov 2004
HUMAN resource executive Rina Poon, 28, was shocked when she received a SingTel bill two weeks ago, asking her to pay $108.
The bill was for international calls to Norfolk Island, in the South Pacific Ocean, and Sao Tome, off the coast of West Africa.
The trouble is, she never made those calls.
'A SingTel staff member said that it's not uncommon,' said Miss Poon said of such occurrences.
When interviewed by The Sunday Times, a SingTel spokesman said Miss Poon could have been a victim of 'Internet dumping' or 'modem jacking'.
When dial-up Internet users visit certain websites, usually porn, gambling, games and music sites, they inadvertently download a program that instructs their modems to dial an overseas number instead of their local Internet Service Provider (ISP).
The Internet connection would be terminated, and a re-connection would mean making a more expensive international call.
These sites originate from various parts of the world and usually do not require a credit card number for access to the premium content, said the SingTel spokesman.
She added: 'Less than 1 per cent of the total enquiries on billing issues involve Internet dumping.'
She declined to elaborate, but said that SingTel had stringent checks and balances in place to ensure the integrity of its billing system.
In the cases handled, the calls had been made from customers' telephones.
'Hence, the charges will not be waived,' she said.
Miss Poon said she does not visit such sites.
'I'm very wary of pop-up instructions that require me to click proceed, and I wasn't online when the calls were made,' she said.
'It's not fair that I have to pay for calls I didn't make.'
SingTel said it would follow up on Miss Poon's case.
ISPs which The Sunday Times spoke to said such cases were 'negligible'.
Mr Thomas Wee, vice-president of consumer business for Pacific Internet (PacNet), said that in the last three months, the ISP had received only one e-mail message from a subscriber reporting a similar incident.
He added that these incidents usually happen to dial-up users who have IDD access on the telephone line used for Internet connection.
Broadband or cable users are unlikely to be affected.
ISPs advise users to download and install a spyware application to scan the computer system and remove the malicious software to stop modem jacking from happening.
As a safeguard, they should make sure that they are calling the ISP, and not an overseas number.
Ms Cassie Fong, StarHub's assistant corporate communications manager, said that Internet users should not download any program from suspi- cious sources.
She added: 'Turn off your dial-up modem and computer when not in use. As the Internet is an ungoverned public network, Internet users play an important role in ensuring their own online safety.'
http://it.asia1.com.sg/newsdaily/news002_20041101.html
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 01 November 2004
Time: 07:05:52 PM
"Do Good" Congratulations you have said it all.
Name: Do Good
Email: Nottobefooled
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 01 November 2004
Time: 09:51:19 AM
It is quite amazing that some people seem to have the idea that Pitcairn Islanders had no idea that they came under Bristish jurisdiction.....
Please, the local population on Pitcairn have always been well aware that they are governed by Britain. They carry British passports and are provided with living allowances from Britain. As the saying goes "don't bite the hand that feeds you".
For those of you out there who have had the chance to meet the guilty parties at some stage or another I am sure will agree that there is no doubt in our mind that they were well aware that they are considered a part of Britain as such!
Strange that when accused of such horendous crimes they all of a sudden plead ignorance to Britain having any connection with the Island.
It is also quite strange that on a couple of occassions when a couple of the charged men resided on our beautiful shores with there families they were somehow automatically aware of our laws on sexual assult, ages of consent etc..... But in there on back yards plead negligence?????
Pitcairn Islanders have obviously NOT been "happily minding there own business". Just because a couple of the high ranked men who just happened to be the charged and there families are in an uprage because of the verdicts does in no way mean the entirity of the DESCENDANTS were living "happily" at any given time over the past decades!!!
The so called "happy" residents of Pitcairn have already stated that they can survive without these men.
I for one are glad that such monsters have been bought to justice!
I hope that these men who seem to think for some reason a great country like Britain will be fooled by there pathetic excuse for naivety will be still found guilty and their sentencing carried out after the Privy Council has found them as nothing more than court jesters who will never show remorse!!
Name: make make
Email: no_side
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 29 October 2004
Time: 11:45:43 AM
Slave, n. [Cf. F. esclave, D. slaaf, Dan. slave, sclave, Sw. slaf, all fr. G. sklave, MHG. also slave, from the national name of the Slavonians, or Sclavonians (in LL. Slavi or Sclavi), who were frequently made slaves by the Germans. See {Slav}.] 1. A person who is held in bondage to another; one who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who is held as a chattel; one who has no freedom of action, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another. -thou our slave, Our captive, at the public mill our drudge? --Milton. 2. One who has lost the power of resistance; one who surrenders himself to any power whatever; as, a slave to passion, to lust, to strong drink, to ambition. 3. A drudge; one who labors like a slave. 4. An abject person; a wretch.
Name: a meta-alternative point of view
Email: GrarbamoonReport
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 28 October 2004
Time: 12:52:09 PM
http://nisdv.bravehost.com/nulla_poena_sine_lege.html
Name: another point of view
Email: LawReport
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 27 October 2004
Time: 05:21:35 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/lawrpt/stories/s1227961.htm
Name: porpaee
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 26 October 2004
Time: 06:59:40 PM
Thanks for that Margret, at least there is some sensible reporting happening over the so called Pitcairn Trials.
Name: Margaret Mead
Email: Macdonaldize@ll-cultures
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Tuesday, 26 October 2004
Time: 01:15:27 PM
Thunderer http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-1328536,00.html
October 26, 2004
Empire strikes at Pitcairn By Ross Clark
MY KNOWLEDGE of Captain Bligh is limited to Sir Anthony Hopkins’s melodramatic portayal of the man in the film Mutiny on the Bounty. But I am sure that Bligh cannot have been any more menacing than the flotilla of lawyers, judges and police officers who have just effected the prosecution of six of the mutineers’ distant descendants on Pitcairn Island on charges of rape and under-age sex.
These convictions will almost certainly spell the end of the Pitcairn community, which at present numbers just 47.
The trial has cost British taxpayers £3.5 million, but it is not the expense that bothers me so much as our moral imperialism.
Rape, of course, is utterly reprehensible in any culture, but what of the other charges. It may suit us in Britain to have an age of consent of 16, but what right do we have to apply our own standards, retrospectively, to a remote society on the other side of the earth? It is clear that until the trials were announced many of the island’s population were unaware that they were supposed to conform to British laws.
We expect the islanders to obey our rules, but we do not grant them the same rights: the accused were tried without a jury, the verdict being given by three judges from New Zealand.
I would feel uncomfortable living in a community where, as several Pitcairn women have claimed, it is considered normal for grown men to have sex with 12-year-old girls.
Yet anthropological history would suggest that it is we in advanced industrial societies who are unusual in insisting that sexual intercourse be delayed until well after sexual maturity.
You would not expect Bushmen to have an age of consent and neither, until the Marriage Act of 1753 outlawed the marriage of child brides in the Fleet chapel, did we.
Our Government has an obsession with preserving “diversity”, by which it seems to mean languages and headscarves. Yet a genuine example of cultural diversity is treated as perversion and is stamped out with the full force of the human rights charter.
The story of Pitcairn is the story of St Kilda all over again. Pitcairners were a people happily minding their own business until a British policewoman was dispatched to help with “community policing” in 1999. Our missionary zeal in modernising this engaging and in many ways primitive society will not end until the island has been evacuated and its inhabitants rehoused on a grim council estate in Britain.
Join the Debate at comment@thetimes.com
Name: In the Sydney Morning Herald
Email: inthenews.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 23 October 2004
Time: 10:36:15 AM
Drama takes a back seat for Norfolk poll - By Stephen Gibbs October 23, 2004
Rawson Hall could not have been built of anything but solid Norfolk Island pine. Every gathering from playing badminton to the annual Bounty Ball has been held within its walls.
On Wednesday it was the sole polling place for the election of the territory's government, the only parliament in Australia to have had a minister murdered while in office.
Ivens Francois Buffett, the minister for land and environment known to islanders as Toon, was shot dead at his desk on July 19 with his own Lee-Enfield .303 rifle, allegedly fired by his mentally-ill son Leith.
Two years earlier Mr Buffett had been the first Norfolk-born resident to present his palms at Rawson Hall when the island's adult population was fingerprinted in the hunt for the killer of Janelle Patton.
The Sydney woman, 29, had been "on-island" for two Bounty Day balls, part of the annual celebrations marking the resettlement of Norfolk by Pitcairn Islanders in 1856, when her body was dumped in a grass reserve on Easter Sunday, 2002.
Among the 14 candidates seeking election to Norfolk's nine-member Legislative Assembly on Wednesday was Terence Fletcher Jope, one of 16 "persons of interest" to police investigating Ms Patton's murder.
There was another Buffett, Toon's distant relative David, the parliament's speaker, seeking re-election, as was solicitor John Brown, who has acted for Leith Buffett since he was charged with murder.
Also on the ballot were Ric Robinson, whose wife is author Colleen McCullough, and John Francis Patrick Cyril Colclough Walsh of Brannagh, once chancellor of the virtual Greenwich University, shut down by the Federal Government in 1999.
Neither Mr Jope, who received the second lowest total vote of any candidate, nor Mr Walsh, who polled third last, was elected to the territory's 11th Legislative Assembly.
Chief Minister Geoff Gardner topped the count for another three-year term, followed by newcomer Tim Sheridan, the leagues club manager.
Mr Buffett, Mr Brown, Ron Nobbs and Vicky Jack were returned, joined by fresh faces Neville Christian, Lorraine Boudan and Mr Brown's son Tim.
Members are elected by the Illinois cumulative system, which gives each elector nine votes to divide and allocate in any combination that does not give one candidate more than four.
That means giving some support to a minimum of three candidates, for example in a 4-3-2 combination, or 3-3-3, or 4-2-2-1, or 2-2-1-1-1-1-1. On Wednesday, 1215 of 1332 enrolled electors cast 10,503 votes.
Name: Myse Tun
Email: poq22.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 23 October 2004
Time: 05:58:51 AM
Message to 22 - Crawl back under your rock and stay there. You ess pain in a poewt!
Name: 22
Email: 22
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 10:53:31 PM
What do you call these Se Grarba'muun - cheap shots from harrods?
"as well as being short on brains & integrity, you obviously lack any sense of irony ...a trio of deficits commonly known as an "arsehole's hat-trick". "
"I would therefore advise *_extreme_* prudence in retailing the kinds of indictments & inferences you're making under the 'cowards camouflage', of a pseudonym."
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 04:18:40 PM
22/23/0 ...whatever:
a) that's right - I'm exercising an ancient cultural prerogative: cf.http://www.pseudopodium.org/repress/tahiti/09.html
b) I don't take cheap personal shots.
Name: 23
Email: 23@23
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 04:07:16 PM
He has many 'names'....it's hard to decide which one to use.
Name: 22
Email: 22
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 03:57:14 PM
Se Grarba'muun - then why don't you add your name?
Name: porpaee
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 02:59:40 PM
Just me, thanks for speaking up from the bottom of the gene pool and reminding us that everyone has the right to speak and to vote - and for putting up compelling arguments against it! Now in all seriousness, I've often heard this argument and I'm sure its gotten many names on the ballot over the years. Why do so many believe that having an opinion and voicing it 1. makes you a candidate to run for office and 2. Doing so is the only acceptable way of expressing your opinion? IMMIGRATION - lets see someone with vision take this portfolio. And who ever it is please realise Norfolk is a small place, we don't need immigrants - esp of the variety that can vote after 6months.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 01:12:46 PM
'Just me': On the one hand, Max & Darls have taken the time, effort & thoughtfulness, to fulfill one of the most fundamental duties of a citizen in a Participatory-Democracy' - TO SPEAK THEIR MIND WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR ...they've also had the courage to underwrite their contribution with their names; on the other hand, YOU'VE wasted valuable server space with a minimal effort, thoughtless, CHEAP-SHOT ...then added cowardice to mindlessness, by taking that cheap-shot under cover of an alias.
Now try asking yourself - in a no-doubt unfamiliar moment of truth - who are the BETTER CITIZENS??
Name: Grarbalaeg
Email: sorryfurrett@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 22 October 2004
Time: 07:03:54 AM
A message to Just Me............you hutten brud?
Name: Just Me
Email: myopinion
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 07:14:26 PM
aren't we all?
Name: Darlene
Email: ornnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 07:04:36 PM
Hey Just Me - at least we had the GUTS to sign our names and as electors WE ARE ENTITLED TO OUR OPINIONS!
Name: Just me
Email: myopinion
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 07:00:14 PM
Max & Darls seem to have all the answers - but we didn't see your names on the ballot paper.
Name: Just me
Email: myopinion
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 06:59:07 PM
Max & Darls seem to have all the answers - but we didn't see your names on the ballot paper.
Name: Resident
Email: Welldone@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 04:53:41 PM
A big congradulations to the 9 New Assembly members...you certainly have a long hard road to travel...speaking of roads if your journey down the road is something like the condition of our current roads God help us! We hope you do not have too many potholes to dodge and you do Norfolk Island proud.
My hat is off to you all for having the guts to stand and for putting yourselves forward...now lets make the next three years count.
Now...I plead with the newly elected Minister for Immigration to publish some facts in regards to Immigration matters (re Chinese), without facts, romours are created to replace questions...the people of Norfolk Island expect truthful (facts)answers as we all want to know in which direction Norfolk Island is heading??
Good luck all yorlye...
Name: A Careful Observer
Email: seedem.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 03:19:22 PM
The way I see things is perhaps the more you dodge facts and lie to electors - the more votes you get. Stop avoiding responsibilities "Mr Big" and if you can't handle making honest decisions and for the people of this Island - DON"T TAKE ON A PROTFOLIO!! It is as simple as that.
Name: A Caring Islander
Email: carefornorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 01:55:04 PM
Well let's hope now that we have a new Assembly we can see a new Immigration Committee who will take good care of the island, its people but more importantly ITS CULTURE and stop this back door entry garbage. Butts should be kicked BIG TIME for recent events. 6 Norfolk Islanders should make a HUGE difference in government now.
Name: In the Seven News
Email: seven.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 08:14:23 AM
Norfolk Islanders cast their votes Date: 20/10/04
Residents of the tiny Australian territory of Norfolk Island headed to the polls on Wednesday, with two thirds of its sitting members seeking re-election.
The Norfolk Legislative Assembly has nine members, elected for three-year terms.
The election results are not yet known, but 87.7 per cent of the island's 1,332 registered voters cast their ballots.
Chief minister Geoff Gardner and speaker David Buffett are among those up for re-election in a field of 14 candidates.
Norfolk Island was in the news in July this year when deputy chief minister, Ivens "Toon" Buffett, was shot dead as he worked in his parliamentary office.
His son, Leith Buffett, has fronted the island's Mental Health Tribunal over the shooting, and has since been transferred to the Long Bay Prison Hospital in Sydney's south.
Norfolk Island has a population of around 1,800 on 34.6 square kilometres.
With the small number of votes cast, final results are expected later on Wednesday night.
Name: In the News
Email: nz.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 08:12:17 AM
The parents of an Australian woman murdered on Norfolk Island two years ago are making another impassioned plea for help from New Zealanders.
Australian Janelle Patton was beaten and stabbed to death on Norfolk Island on Easter Sunday, 2002.
Her father Ronald Patton says the killer or killers have not yet been brought to justice, despite a very long and detailed police investigation.
Mr Patton says Janelle's murder was a disgusting, vicious crime that should not be tolerated.
He says the smallest piece of information from someone who was on the island at the time may provide a breakthrough in the case.
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 October 2004
Time: 07:10:42 AM
In the know - "hear hear"!! Well said and very true. The next 3 years will be very interesting. Let's hope we hear less talk, lies and buck passing and see more action with this lot.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 10:09:36 PM
Well, interesting outcome. You know the old saying " A fish always goes rotten from the head " I have a feeling the ice has already melted.... Not my fault the Hospital. Not my fault the Immigration decision. My my how squeaky clean can one get. Democracy has spoken and I hope the coming assembly even the ones "we" didn't vote for do good for Norfolk. Maybe the new blood will make a difference
Name: Younger islander
Email: ayoungvoice@assembly.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 10:09:02 PM
Good to see Tim Brown in the assembly. Finally a young voice amoungst the geri's!! To the moon Elvis
Name: Ess True
Email: wesehaddett.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 09:34:34 PM
Nottelling - you are correct. It seems the more bullshit you can spin people, the more chnave you have getting in. Let's hope we have a new Immigration Minister as this one has made far too many blunders. He didn't get in on mine or my families vote. Geoff - you are a disappointment! We are sorry to see you back in.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 09:14:12 PM
Looks as though "...the Chief Minister who is our Minister for Immigration..." and who "...probably saw a hard decision to make and walked away from it..." has the support of a large percentage of Norfolk Islanders.
Name: Tally Room
Email: tally@election
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 04:25:12 PM
http://www.gov.nf/Election2004 Results begin around 6:30pm
Name: Caring Islander
Email: here.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 09:19:56 AM
Well done Maxine & Darlene for your good submissions. As an islander - we all are aware that the previous assemblies have not been 100% at what they promise to do but perhaps if we put the following people in (mostly Islanders) we might get somewhere. How many "non Australians" or "non New Zelanders" do we see running their countries?? VOTE FOR: - Lorraine Boudan, Tim Brown, Tim Sheridan, Nev Christian, David Buffett, Ron Nobbs, Ric Robinson then John Brown & Vicky or Chloe and we might get somewhere. At elast it will be mostly "uwus sullun".
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: ornnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 07:40:23 AM
Thanks Max. I must admit - I did overlook that hospital debacle and really - how could one forget it unae? You are quite right in what you say and it has has shed a different light on the issue. I also must concede that my observances the last three years is this - there has been too much of "passing the buck" and "fence sitting" so let's just hope for all uwwus sakes - the 11th Assembly will care about Norfolk Island and its people insead of themseleves. This time tomorrow we will have a whole new Government - I hope and pray they all do what we put them there to do.
Name: maxine mathews
Email: on@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 20 October 2004
Time: 07:22:19 AM
So the Chief Minister who is our Minister for Immigration had nothing at all to do with Immigration of chinese nationals ?? He probably saw a hard decision to make and walked away from it, the same as he did with the Health portfolio in a previous assembly when things got tough at the hospital. If you dont get tied to the hard decisions you stay rosy clean. Beware of Ministers who avoid the hard decisions and accountability - particularly when they later grandstand on the issues they have carefully avoided.
Name: Stinky idea
Email: bereal@finalhours
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 10:22:26 PM
So Tim is going to save the inflationary land and house prices on Norfolk is he. Funny that he did not mention how in his speech. Perhaps after he makes everything affordable here he can fix up the rest of the western world who have the same real estate problem.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 09:42:32 PM
Good on ya Darlene - another well written submission. Personally I can see maybe three or four candidates who would be able to work together as a team to improve the state of affairs here on Norfolk. But nine?
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: ornnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 09:26:43 PM
Congratulations Max on your submission. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I too am dismayed and distressed with a very large proportion of the policy statements read in the paper, heard at South Pacific and again tonight. Dar thing fer dem old sullun who se gorn "God Halp Norfolk enn Ucklun". Truer words have never been spoken. After hearing several rumours about the recent influx of Chinese Nationals, I decided, as an elector and of which I am entitled to - and made a phone call to the Chief Minister to ask if he had granted the entry of the said persons. I was advised by the Chief Minister that he had absolutely nothing to do with the entry of these people, and took the trouble to explain why which I won't elaborate on in here. Geoff is very approachable and available by phone if people need to know the truth. My philosophy is this - if in doubt - ask the source rather than listen to rumour. The Chief Minister took the liberty to advise me that it was the doing of wait for it............the Speaker of the house! This I could not believe and I hope the readers of this forum reads this entry before tomorrow to assist with their voting. Surely the people of Norfolk Island will take a stand and show their objection to this immigration case and vote for those with Norfolk at heart, the Norfolk people at heart, our future generations at heart. My question is this. "Where else in the world can we just pack up and move to like people use Norfolk Island for"?? We have had our fair share of "Retirees" move here to feather their own nests then when they sell, no one here has enough finances to purchase properties. Norfolk Island vote carefully morla. We need a Government with heaps of gumption to stand up for our rights and to lead us forward. No more voting for people because "they are nice" or "they speak well" or "they are great ambassadors" vote for people because they care about Norfolk and its people. Get on with what we put you in there to do. Good luck all candidates and for you who are successful morla -please stick by your policies and don't go off the rails like all past Assemblies have done in the past. We are sinking fast and need to be rescued and we the voters are putting our faith in yorlye once again.
Name: Maxine Mathews
Email: on@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 06:52:51 PM
I have just listened to candidates talks on VLN2I. To say I am distressed is an understatement. I might add that much of what I have seen written on this forum in the past has not impressed me either. I am disapointed that I have to resort to using this means to voice my thoughts however I do so with open accountability which hopefully makes my comments justified.
Terry jopes explanation of his capitalistic buying and selling behaviour is an outright insult to my great aunt Girlie Christian. Girlie spent years accumulating land holdings. She was not an entrepreneur, She did not sell this land. She spent her years attempting to provide her relatives with a large portion of Norfolk.I was one of the beneficiaries as was all of my Great Grandparents grandchildren and great grandchildren. I still have a copy of her will which clearly states and I quote "7. I request my Trustee to inform the recipients of land under the terms of this my Will that it is my desire that such land not be sold but passed to their children."Terry my immediate family has done our utmost to fullfil these wishes despite difficult and trying times but this is the value I put on family as do my brother, mother and father.I cannot express how offended I am at what you have just said regarding "Girlie" it is unjust and does not portray her true intentions the only reason I can think of you even bringing it up is to justify your own ill actions and guilt that you were unable to fulfil her wishes.
Name: Stinky Pete
Email: bob@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 06:41:33 PM
GREAT to see a young norfolk islander standing for the assembly!! I take my hat off to Tim. He might be Browny's son but he is a voice for the youth and is aware of what the future of Norfolk (the youth) is pining for. Has everyone seen the prices of houses/shops/land on Norfolk?? Could you imagine saving up a deposit for a house or land on Norfolk?? It's near impossible. Why is it that alot of the young islanders are offshore?? Good LUCK morla Tim!!!!!
Name: PD
Email: enwha@hotmail.com
Country: Bermuda
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 06:26:16 PM
Kina Pili?
It's funny that you are so critical of a candidate running for the assembly. As I see it, you either, 1) Haven't the guts to run for the assembly yourself;
2) Are running for this assembly and are worried about the competition a younger Norfolk Islander has brought to this election;
3) Are too blind to see some good that FRESH ideas from one of the youth of Norfolk can bring to this assembly....
... shall I continue??
I can't see him doing any worse than the last couple of assemblies.
Interesting to see if Ron Nobbs can stay awake for the meetings if he gets in. Last night at South Pac must have been very tiring for him as he couldn't stay awake till the end... Maybe it was David Buffetts speach that bored him to sleep???
Name: D. Buffett
Email: private@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 07:23:57 AM
Hi Andrew I have emailed you Bev Simpson's email address as she will be able to provide you with all the accurate details by email rather than having it posted on this site. Bev is Tom's mother-in-law. Have a nice day :)
Name: andrew mallett
Email: andrew.mallett@jcu.edu.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 19 October 2004
Time: 01:15:55 AM
dear "justasking"
I was a medical student at the Hospital when tom had his terrible accident, and the last involvement I had with him was watching his Medi-vac plane flying into the distance. I'd be very interested to hear from him/yourself on his progress and how is coping. The image of seeing him "on scene" up the mountain is one that I will never forget, but both myself one of my colleagues here in Townsville who was there that day would very much like to hear an update on his story.
cheers andrew :-)
Name: For Norfolk
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 16 October 2004
Time: 11:30:11 AM
Save Norfolk
No votes for Brown
Name: justasking
Email: howisitso@pleaseexplain
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Saturday, 16 October 2004
Time: 11:01:30 AM
A few of us are just wondering something. When Tom lost his legs in that horrible accident on Mount Pitt, did he recieve workers compensation? If he did not, why not? Who was he employed by and why isn't that person / persons / company held accountable? It was great to see the Lions Clubs help Tom by purchasing a wheel chair, but surely that can't be his only support. Imagine the cost of treatment, loss of income, structurtal changes to home and the unimaginable emotional trauma to he and his family. Put yourself in his shoes. Perhaps it is in process, but it would be very comforting to hear the truth and know that Tom was going to be looked after. Can anyone fill in the blanks?
Name: kina pilli
Email: policymissing@elections
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 16 October 2004
Time: 10:51:43 AM
Any person who runs for election at any level can surely not have a policy of "need a revamp" or "in need of urgent attention". What does this mean? What are you acctuly proposing? Do you actually know? Bulldoze, add to, refurbish, sack the lot. Could you imagine any polly in any country winning office with a "our health, immigration and education need a revamp". As in any community, health care and education are costly, so specific ideas are required. How can we as a community judge what the nominated actually mean with such vague terminolgy? We are left to guess. This election is the scariest awa. A passion and love for awas sullen is critical, but will do little without specific experience and comprehensive understanding of how to addess the complex issues of developing awas island.
Name: Riding Hood
Email: ridinghood.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 15 October 2004
Time: 09:23:08 PM
If there have been "back door enries" into the island recently - then those at fault should have their butss kicked fomr here to the land of never. Maybe we can have a new immigration officer and minister both with balls to say no and to send the law breakers back on their merry way. Make sure we all go to South pac next Monday at 6pm for the chamber of commerce address to the 11th assembly candidates. This is wheer we can ask questions - but none of the promises will be kept as in the past all dem bin blow d' hard wind en dars all. Dem bin talk plenti but nor bin walk too much! Norfolk inna bared wae.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 15 October 2004
Time: 08:05:59 PM
NO I didn't say that. I mentioned Tim. Maybe he should use his mothers maiden name so people will give him a fair go. I suppose you will be voting for the bloke at the top who just had the final say and gave the okay on the most dangerous immigration application Norfolk has ever faced. Just remember, you reap what you sow. If you have to come in via the back door alarm bells should ring loudly. I wonder in whose best interest that decision was made.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 15 October 2004
Time: 01:37:11 PM
LUBBEE: yu gutt'ett brud ...ai gwen pilli myse lepp short'lettle; - aes'fe "jess shrepp alorng" ...dar guud fe'sie Ma'ell tork yiddish aes'waal aes Norfuk :]
Name: knowexactlywhat
Email: nothanks@election.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 October 2004
Time: 11:09:41 PM
OK brud, so you gwen sadle up fe brown srn and jnr, jope, christian and Mr NI. All seem to be done with the same brush. What would the result be????? What is that glug, glug, glug I hear? Get your emergency vests on folks.
Name: In the Know
Email: Hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 October 2004
Time: 07:29:19 PM
Just something to think about re the coming election. What would you say to a man who is honest and shows a great deal of respect towards women. Perfect he may not be and may have made some wrong decisions BUT... read the facts on the end of the Mercy Flights, and you will find the real reason we now have private medivacs. His heart is in the right place and he truly loves Norfolk. When questioned about his wife's involvment with a petition , he said " My wife does what she wants for her own reasons when she wants and if anyone has a problem with that they can see me right now. The respect paid to women in general that day won me forever. There is not that much of it around. Ron will have my vote...... And while we are thinking about these things should we not give Tim a go as he is a person in his own right with his own mind and ideals and we are forever saying we need some young people to show an interest. It really would seem quite unfair to rule him out just because...... I think he deserves a go for mine. Just a thought....
Name: LUBBEE
Email: cahwah
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 October 2004
Time: 03:47:11 PM
Yorlye jess lubbee enn get orn with uwwus own problems right ya. All dee jess adden fuel to the fire cos all em newspaper sullun check out dae forum every dae - so dar thing fer Ma's - we jess shrepp alorng wah?
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumiin
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 14 October 2004
Time: 02:03:26 PM
'Take a Stand': again I applaud you for having the courage to speak out on these issues ...there is no shame in recognizing & dealing with social problems - only in ignoring or deprecating them.
However, I have to say that if there has been a pattern of abuse on Norfolk similar to that which is alleged to have taken place on Pitcairn over the last half-century or so; IT'S NEWS TO ME. The only incidents of illicit, underage (ie. assuming age of consent was 16) relationships that I'm aware of, were those between male teachers from the mainland & local school-girls ...at least one of which, that I know of, resulted in elopement & marriage.
Perhaps the women-folk of Norfolk should begin comparing notes. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I would humbly suggest, that the current fiasco on Pitcairn has far more to do with Britain's electoral cycle & the so called 'woman's lobby' which is increasingly determining the outcome of elections in the UK; than it has to do with any tender concerns for the 'human rights' of the alleged victims, on the part of the British Authorities.
Where were they - OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS - when these women really needed them??
There is a gathering hysteria in Britain around the topic of "sexual violence"; a hysteria which has recently found legislative expression in the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
To quote Professor John Spencer QC, writing in the 'Criminal Law Review':
"The new offences in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 are more numerous than those they replace - and extend, in many cases, the range of behaviour that is criminal. In broad terms, nothing that was previously criminal has ceased to be; much is made criminal that previously was not, and most of it is made more severely punishable."
According to Professor Spencer, the new Sexual Offences Act is "oppressive, heavy-handed and isn't even clear about what kind of behaviour it wants to prohibit"
I would respectfully submit that the incarceration of a few 'black-arse natives' who can very easily be caricatured (à la Claire Harvey) as 'unreconstructed male chauvanists' on far away Pitcairn; is little more than a cynical sop to the powerful 'woman's lobby' in Britain, who will determine the outcome of the May General Election, as per:
Winning Women’s Votes: Labour’s key to the next election http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/documents/WWV-L_002.pdf
Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 14 October 2004
Time: 01:57:17 PM
Surely one of the major points of relevance in the Pitcairn trials is the politically correct interpretation of 21st century law on what in many ways is still an early 20th century culture and society. Many of these charges reach back 40years and if proven one would presume this has been going on even longer. Does anyone believe these charges would have been taken so seriously 30, 40years ago? My argument is not for the innocence of those charged, only that these men are scapegoats of our time.
Name: Take a
Email: Stand
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 October 2004
Time: 10:56:51 AM
In reply to Gudett's comment re Pitcairn;
Firstly I also sympathise with the families of the accused.
However, as per my statement below do you honestly think that someone has the right - no matter what the age that a male or female has the right to sexually assult, rape, batter and to strip a child of their innocence?
In other words is it OK to you if a 14 year old boy was to rape a 14 year old girl because they are the same age group??
Try reading my statement again clearly this time and try thinking about the assulted person being your son/daughter/niece/nephew/cousin or even on of your best friend's children etc....
Also think of them being here in our back yard with our children at threat - would you feel the same?
Honestly, would you feel so sorry for those accused now??
Have some pride for our younger generations, we ALL know sexual assult is not right. Give them the strength to believe that they are not at fault, not guilty and that WE will protect and love them no matter how guilty and wrong they feel in themselves.
Talk to those close to you will be be suprised by the LARGE amount of people here in our own back yard that too have been striped of their childhood but who have never felt the support of our wonderful community around them to feel comfortable in standing up for themselves - help our children feel the support. Don't ruin it when it has only just been acknoweldged!!
Name: Hett Ett
Email: @@@@@.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 13 October 2004
Time: 07:16:56 AM
In The Know - Congratulations on your submission to this forum!! I agree with you 100% and hope others will as well. I am not a smoker, but all of you who do remember it was the last assembly who has made the new regulations! Next thing you know - we will have regulations on going to the loo! We need people in the next Assembly (not that we have much to choose from) who will stop running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds get on with their damn work and stop passing the buck. That is the upshot. COME ON NORFOLK ISLAND.......REMEMBER ALL THE FENCE SITTING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. Don't vote people in just because they are NICE or are good AMBASSADORS or SPEAK WELL...vote people in with Norfolk, Ucklun and our kids (especially) at heart and NOT THEMSELVES, or THEIR INTERESTS ie: Hotels,Airlines,Tour Business,Fishing Business,Industrial business, etc etc
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 October 2004
Time: 11:28:12 PM
Just a reminder about who you could be voting for in the coming election. Ask yourself this..... Who were the Assembly members who were so active in the persecution and demise of one of the finest Doctors Norfolk has had working for them. Who went around attempting to intimidate the public? Who may have backdated a legal document ? who told outright lies and and who made ugly racist comment. Who cost US a lot of money in two lost court cases which were totally ridiculous and who stood steadfast behind the madman posing as the Director of the N.I. Hospital. Could it have been to hide their own shortcomings ? Getting us blacklisted by the AMA was not the smartest move. I won't be voting for David Geoff Chloe or Stephanie aka Vicki but then my concience is clear. I wonder about theirs ..
Name: Do batta
Email: nunya@bessness
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 October 2004
Time: 08:03:25 PM
To Myse Tun, Work it out for yourself and stop being small minded.In Australia it is compulsary for the employer to make contributions to the employees super. Do you contribute to your employees super, that is if you are an employer.What else is there to give you any sort of incentive. By the way I dont work for Admin, I own a Buissness
Name: myse tun
Email: private_sector
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 October 2004
Time: 03:04:10 PM
------ Hey do batta -----
Comments Re private sector, Same place your wage comes from, TOURISM
If the Government is good enough to give it to you Do batta (or Admin employees) ---- foot ar Government nor give et to awa sullen in ar private sector as wal?
Name: Do batta
Email: nunya@bessness
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 11 October 2004
Time: 08:06:19 PM
Re private sector, Same place your wage comes from, TOURISM!
Name: private sector
Email: @nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 October 2004
Time: 10:13:21 AM
Re:Do-mine
"Here is one for the private sector employers how many of you have a provident fund set up where you will match your employees contributions?? or would that be dipping into your profits too much!!!"
I was was wondering if you could tell us were you think the money comes from that pays the "provident fund"?
Name: in the know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 October 2004
Time: 09:32:03 AM
In reply to the talk of the Admin vehicle and the Sporties, Do you know the circumstances of that visit ? Do you know what they had been doing all day with NO Pay ? It is called being a VOLOUNTEER. No I don't work for Admin and no I am not a mate of either person named but it is called community spirit and maybe more of us, myself included should give some time to help Norfolk grow in more ways than one
Name: gudett
Email: domine
Country: Aruba
Date: Sunday, 10 October 2004
Time: 09:37:51 PM
Waal, I gwen hawe myse say bout dem orn Pitcairn. I sympathise with the faimlies of the accused - Most of the accused are the same age as their accussors. That is at the time of the offence the MEN (they are men now)were only children themselves.
Name: justicification
Email: justification@ignorance
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 10 October 2004
Time: 11:28:06 AM
In reading some of the comments re the sexual abuse of those who had their power of life interfered with, destroyed, their lives and their own will taken from them. Understand this, no-one and I mean no-one has the right to sexually assualt anyone. That age old saying of "they asked for it they deserve it". Did they. Did they ask for it, did they lay down and say"take my childhood, take away all that is me, destroy my soul, destroy all trust I might have, take from me the right to have a happy life, the right to be able to love and trust, the right to have my virginity until I want to give this to someone I choose, the right to be able in my life to understand that I have a choice. I think not. I have worked with many many people who have suffered as victims of sexual abuse. All ages, all cultures, both sexes, and I can assure you that they are destroyed in every facet of their being. To live each day suffering with being abused, to live each day with what they have endured. To function on a day to day time span, takes so much energy to forget, to seek help, some unable to speak with such intense shame and guilt. This is justice for the innocent, for those whose power was taken, brutally.I think not. We hear about the abuse and beatings and annihalation of those in war zones, we see on Tv, we hear on the radio and we read these things. You do not witness the sexual assault on those victims. You do not see the damage of the assault on these. Sexual abuse is in families and friends of families commonly. Sexual predators as they are known, grooming and cleverly picking out their subjects. Rape is about power and control, fear and degradation. Rape is brutal and usually performed by those the victims dont know. Either way, it is absolute violation of the victim themselves. Sit down and burn yourself with cigarette butts constantly, add the brutality of beatings and fear, tell noone this is happening, day after day, from the age of a young child. Cover the wounds, make excuses for the abuser. Have the confusion of love because they tell you that. What is that doing to your entire psyche. What is that doing to your emotions. What is that doing to your body. Have empathy, step into a victims shoes, feel what they are feeling. You cant? Well, join some groups of survivors, listen to their lives. Listen to how they have been assaulted by their fathers, mothers, uncles, brothers, sisters, family friends, drug users. Listen to how they are passed around at ages of 5, listen to how they are raped as well as suffering the sexual assaults of the ones who are meant to protect them. There is no room for sympathy or excusing any person from performing this act. Regardless of where or what culture. Ignorance and absolute disregard of who the victim may be, does not give the power of approval. Sexual abuse is a criminal offense and to support and speak out for these individuals whose lives are destroyed and for life, needs to be seen. Do you have a young daughter, a young son? Do you enjoy the vision of them being violated, torn, destroyed? Well every one of these victims have been in various ages and circumstances that would turn your stomach. Varying degrees of assault, the common factor being that there was no consent. Only being able to understand the components in the destruction of their life will we as a society be able to protect and hopefully reduce this degradation of an innocent being.
Name: Do-mine
Email: Pity-yourlye@admin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 09 October 2004
Time: 06:27:57 AM
In response to Do Batta Wed 16/09 I totally agree with you. As a 6th generation descendant, I was brought up with aspirations to work for Admin, yes both of my parents were Admin workers,. After returning home four years ago I think I am glad I work in the private sector, I don't envy any of yourlye working there now where every eye casts a spell on you. If it wasn't for people like yourlye with the tenacity to work for the gov. and cop the shit that you get, we would be in a worse state. Maybe Admin workers should start hounding the private sector, but you may not want to lower to some levels. Here is one for the private sector employers how many of you have a provident fund set up where you will match your employees contributions?? or would that be dipping into your profits too much!!! As for youlye Admin workers at least you will have support from one private sector worker.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumiien
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 08 October 2004
Time: 04:52:06 PM
'Take a Stand': I congratulate you for speaking out in such a heartfelt & honest manner. However, whilst these matters are still 'sub judice' I will continue with the stance I have taken. I expect to be held accountable for this stance. I will defend & explain it, once the final verdicts are delivered.
In the interim, I hope you may at least acknowledge, that there may be more to the 'Pitcairn Trials' than meets the eye.
Let me just say in closing that the alleged victims have the awesome power, resources & prestige of the British State behind them; not to mention the sympathy & support of world opinion. And of course, that is as it should be.
But who - apart from their legal counsel - is speaking out for the Defendants?
Remember that the fundamental point & purpose of an adversarial system of justice, is much the same as that of the 'Socratic Method' from which it is ultimately derived ...to ascertain the TRUTH, of the matters in question.
And the 'elenchos' *_always_* DEMANDS a vigorously stated 'anti-thesis'.
cf. http://www.dcba.org/brief/junissue/2004/art40604.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elenchos http://webjcli.ncl.ac.uk/1999/issue4/stevenson4.html
Name: htrt
Email: reherh
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 October 2004
Time: 04:30:55 PM
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Name: Take a
Email: Stand
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 08 October 2004
Time: 02:44:44 PM
I have only recently started viewing Norfolk’s Forum and have decided to add my opinion in regards to the Pitcairn Trials of recent. It is a sad day to hear amongst common conversation that a lot of Norfolk Islander’s including people residing here on our beautiful Island feel sorry for the Pitcairn men standing trial as we speak. What about the victims???? It is true that “Innocent until proven Guilty” however, if you have been keeping up to date with the proceedings on Pitcairn then you should be aware that there is a lot of truth to these so called accusations! I’m sure we can all remember not so long ago when some very brave young girls charged a well known Norfolk Island for the same type of assaults. This man was alienated from nearly the entire Island, spat at down the road and received a lot of verbal abuse when seen in public for what he did to some of our upcoming beautiful young residents. The sad thing is that there is a complete different view in regards to the Pitcairn Trial! Is it purely because these men are not amongst our community?? Would you feel different if they resided here on our beautiful Island?? Why are the woman on Pitcairn that are laying these charges being scutinised?? They were physically raped and beaten, most of them more than once. Is it acceptable to rape women over the age of 16?? I do not believe so. Remember some of these woman are also desendents.
The main point I would like to put across in regards to the defence these men have been vocally given by a large amount of the population here on Norfolk is;
After all of the sexual abuse that has been kept behind closed doors here on Norfolk our younger generation has finally started to believe that sexual abuse is wrong and that if you decide to stand up and let yourself be heard and charge whom ever has committed this crime whether male or female the community will stand by you and support you because we love and care for each other. Standing up for the men on Pitcairn who have committed these assaults is only leading our community to believe that we will not be supportive to the victims, instead we will rubbish them and talk amongst each other saying things like “she/he wanted it” etc…..
Have some compassion for the victims Norfolk – sexually/physical assult at any age is not acceptable, it is wrong!!
Lastly as to Pitcairn being naïve to thinking it was wrong answer me this; If you have to hold down a woman/girl/man/boy and force yourself onto them with them crying, screaming, shaking and trying to break free beneath you wouldn’t your natural instincts would tell you that this is wrong??????
To all that are worried about Pitcairn not being able to survive. Is it so important to you? Is your heritage?? Are you worried about losing it? There is a simple answer - why don’t you go over their and work?
To all people who have been abused or assaulted in some form you can count on me standing behind you for support.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumiien
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 07 October 2004
Time: 02:08:39 PM
Good to see a vigorous gloves-off debate building, as Norfolk approaches it's next general election.
Personally, I see no reason why Norfolk's public-sector shouldn't be aiming to create the world's highest *_quality_* of life for ALL it's citizens.
Now we all know that there are "lies, damned lies & 'per capita' income statistics" ...however, given the following quote from the estimable Professor Helen Hughes ( http://cee.org.au/about-economics/hughes.htm ) ...surely things couldn't be quite as bleak as some posters are suggesting?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Limitations of government and international representation and federation are even more essential for very small states, with populations of less than 50,000 people. The smaller islands are not even the size of a suburb in industrial countries. Their path to real independence means giving up illusions of power and concentrating on good living standards. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ |_They should follow the example of Norfolk Island that, without aid, has a per capita income nearly twice that of Australia._|"
cf. http://apseg.anu.edu.au/pdf/courses/issues_analysis33_hughes.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
ref.
If the JSC were really serious about setting Norfolk on the right 'governance' path vis-a-vis the 'Washington-Consensus'; it should, for starters, initiate negotiations with the NI Gov't. & APSEG re. modifying the following brilliant course to address Norfolk's unique socio-economic & historical trajectory; & then make it available to all public-sector participants on the Island:
Theories of Governance POGO8033 http://info.anu.edu.au/StudyAt/_APSEG/Postgraduate/Courses/_POGO8033.asp
(APSEG is Australia's leading graduate professional school focused on economics, governance and international policy in Australia, Asia and the Pacific. We provide advanced graduate and executive training, and produce research that frames scholarly and political debates.)
Washington Consensus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Consensus
Case study: Norfolk Island: http://eprints.anu.edu.au/archive/00002343/
Name: Mmmmmmmm
Email: ellhutt.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 October 2004
Time: 10:27:07 PM
Yep - there is a saying "truth hurts" and it looks like the nail has been hit on the head. OUCH! Good night - sleep tight
Name: Do batta
Email: nunya@bessness
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 October 2004
Time: 07:23:51 PM
Hi, If Norfolk was run by the loudmouth ill imformed critics that seem to have plenty of time to write their personal grief on this forum, we would be set! seems like most of you have all the ideas in the world on how to run Norfolk. Why not pull your head out of the sand on stand up for Norfolk and our people. I will tell you this the reason Norfolk is in this so called mess is that each and every one of us are ready to cut the throats of any person who is doing alright for themselves or who has a different opinion. To all them Goverment knockers, if you are that worried, it must be because you need someone to blame for your own short comings. Believe you me working for Admin is not a job it is a burden where else do you have to go to work and have people run you into the ground regardless of what sort of effort you put in. When do we start running private enterprise down for doing sub standard work or risking all of us with unsafe work methods etc Least if you vote for some of the people run down in this forum you will know you are voting for somone who has the balls to run for election.
Name: Devils Advocate
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 06 October 2004
Time: 05:40:15 PM
If speaking Norfolk is the measure of an Islander then it would seem we haven't produced any in the last 25-30 years.
Name: Cah Hide
Email: inthnews.com.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 October 2004
Time: 04:05:20 PM
In case theer are doubt in relation to the entry below - here is the link: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/05/1096949512007.html
Name: Cah Hide
Email: itsinthenews.com.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 October 2004
Time: 02:29:25 PM
Hey NIDS - why remove what is printed in the Sydney Morning Herald? The people of Norfolk Island need to know the truth. It is in today's Herald - so please leve on here.
Norfolk Islander in Janelle Patton murder case fights local elections By Stephen Gibbs October 6, 2004
A Norfolk Islander of interest to police investigating the murder of Janelle Patton has further complicated the inquiry by seeking election to the territory's Legislative Assembly this month.
Terence Fletcher Jope, who police suspect once had access to a black plastic sheet found wrapped around Ms Patton's body on Easter Sunday 2002, is standing as one of 14 candidates for the October 20 poll.
Mr Jope was one of 16 people of interest named by police in June at a coronial inquest into the murder of Ms Patton, and he was one of the few it was suggested who could be linked to her body by forensic evidence.
The 46-year-old self-employed builder was described as having a reputation as a "consummate womaniser" by an island woman, who told of waking up to find Mr Jope standing, uninvited, beside her bed between 2am and 3am in April last year.
Mr Jope, who met Ms Patton at a party about one month before her murder, was seen on the day of her memorial service parked in his Chevrolet utility at Queen Elizabeth Lookout, above the Kingston church.
"I am at Janelle's memorial service," he was heard saying into a handpiece, later explaining to police he was conducting surveillance "as he thought that would be more useful" than actually attending.
The coroner, Ron Cahill, who found insufficient evidence to identify Ms Patton's killer or killers, repeatedly said people of interest should not be treated as suspects and ordered police to keep following leads.
Asked if he wished to discuss his election policies yesterday, Mr Jope said: "What do you need this for?" Told that his status as a person of interest in Ms Patton's murder might be of public interest he replied: "Yeah, well, not at all."
"As far as I'm aware this person of interest thing is totally finished. I'd rather not have anything to do with it, frankly. I've tried to put it behind me and I know the people of Norfolk have. They realise what absolute crap it was."
The head of the Patton murder inquiry, Detective Sergeant Bob Peters of the Australian Federal Police, said: "The investigation is continuing and is still being actively pursued".
Norfolk's nine-member Legislative Assembly suffered the loss of one of its most capable MPs when the Minister for Land and Environment, Ivens "Toon" Buffett, was shot dead at his desk on July 19. Mr Buffett's son Leith was charged with the murder and committed to "the nearest" psychiatric facility. He has been locked up in the island's police station for 11 weeks awaiting legislation allowing his transfer to the mainland.
Norfolk Island's Chief Minister, Geoff Gardner, who is standing for re-election, said it was possible the accused could be moved to NSW as early as this weekend.
Name: Pray, pray, pray
Email: lostatsea@southpacific
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 October 2004
Time: 10:07:33 AM
Good lord - what hope have we got if this is all we have to vote for? Self intertested individuals - the norfolk right wing. Makes Pauline hansen look like a saint.
Is abstainance the only answer?
Name: yo
Email: yo@yo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 October 2004
Time: 01:58:12 PM
"The hunt for Britain's paedophiles" http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4421688,00.htm
how convenient for the BLP - in terms of the upcoming May General Election -that they've been 'found' on far away Pitkairn, rather than in the upper echelons of the British Labour Party
chek - http://www.redwatch.org.uk/noncewatch/blair2.html
Name: harsh culture or brutal crime?
Email: deja@vecu
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Tuesday, 05 October 2004
Time: 01:45:22 PM
Message 6 in thread From: Arthur Brain (arthur_brain@hotmail.com) Subject: Re: Orkneys --> Lewis --> Pitcairn ?
View this article only Newsgroups: uk.gov.social-work, aus.legal, uk.legal, misc.legal Date: 2004-09-27 03:31:40 PST
"It is laughable that they spend so much time and energy in trying to bring a prosecution against people whose main crime appears to be the crime of being poor and poorly educated.
Meanwhile, rich and well-educated men continue to travel to India & Fiji to obtain sex with underage boys - in some cases even going so far as to "sponsor" underage boys travelling back with them in order to "give them an education" (gang rape them over a period of years with their fellow-perverts, that is).
These men's names are well-known and yet the police haven't touched them and their friends in the judiciary, far from trying to bring them to justice, do their utmost to protect them.
When will the police prosecute the prominent paedophiles?"
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Name: Larnen
Email: larnen.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 05 October 2004
Time: 06:58:06 AM
Yeah dar thing fer dar group Queen......."another one bites the dust" - but cah who dar nex un gwen be. Gutta talk that might be ess Feathers........we nor moosa wunt hem in dare. He se bugger up Norfolk plenti en d' sooner he shrep alorng d' batta for Norfolk en the public service. The position should be filled by a Norfolk Islander who is unbiased and doesn't have family or mates in the public service - but to achieve this, we need to have a Government with balls as mentioned so many times in this forum. If you ahev a weak government as we have had for a few years now, you will have weak managers, ceo etc.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 October 2004
Time: 06:06:02 PM
I hear one rumour that the ceo has resigned
Name: I see ett
Email: esstrue@admin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 03 October 2004
Time: 05:37:08 PM
Ya Dae - I did see exactly what you reported. I too thought it was bad taste but was not surprised given Johnston's attitude. The Sports and Workers is no place to "socialise" whilst driving Admin vehicles at any time but more especially on weekends. Yes I too agree with Hettae we need a good government and one who will put a stop to this sort of crap. We pay Johnston and all dem quite enough without having to contribute to their social life. It takes a couple of rotten apples to spoil it for everyone else. Maybe the CEO will see these submissions and do something about it???????? or maybe not. Oh well - at least we all know dem ent any ucklun!
Name: Ya Dae
Email: badname@admin.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 03 October 2004
Time: 05:31:51 PM
No wonder there is so much "disgrunted private sector people" when you drive out of the Foodies car park at 5pm to see Mike Johnston and Eddie Miritana in Admin vehicle A13 with booze in hand. Worse still - a cop pulls up in the cop car whilst they have a laugh or two. These are the sorts of issues that we need a Government with BALLS to have the guts to pull the likes of Johnston and Miritana (both from NZ) into line. Unless these dip-sticks are shown whose boss - they will continue down the track to give every public servant (of which I am one) a bloody bad name. Like I said - no wonder there are "Admin knockers" out there when one sees this sort of crap!
Name: myse Vote
Email: island
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 03 October 2004
Time: 03:53:38 PM
Hettae, thanks for the info.I thought you se someone that se finally het ar nail orn a head with wuthing you se larn. Es true.
Name: Hettae
Email: hettaeornnfk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 03 October 2004
Time: 12:31:23 PM
Hving read throught the past few entries - I would like to add my "2 bobs worth". I agree - we the electors of Norfolk Island need to be very very careful who we vote in. Yes I agree - we need to have Islanders in there - but be honest - who can we trust? Look at the past assemblies with a majority of the same members every year. What did they achieve? NOTHING. Let me elaborate:
Ron Nobbs:- Through him and his idiotic ideas we lost the RAAF medivacs but gained a Corporate Management Group in Admin which costs us a large sum of money every year.
Ric Robinson:- Runs with the foxes and hunts with the hounds but has some good ideas. Good mates with Jope through his wife working "Out Yenna".
John Brown:- Not concerned about Norfolk at all really - only himself and all his pecuniary interets; hotels, airlines, crusher. Island Industries of which Neville Christian runs.
Neville Christain:- In kahoots with Brown. Scary combination and couldn't give a stuff about anyone except himself and his pecuniary interests. Works for John Brown.
Terry Jope:- Well little is known of this dude except most of us have read the police report and got a good grasp of what he is really like. Be it defamatory or not - it is in black and white. Born in New Zealand and moved back here in recent years. Has not lived the cultures very long and can't even speak the Norfolk language properly. Cousin of Neville Christian, mates with John Brown and Ric Robinson. Are you getting the drift now? Hope so.
Tim Brown:- Nice kid and is just that. A kid. Too young for politics and would run with Daddy and his mates. They all have the same interests. Airlines, Rock crushing, Hotels, Tour companies etc. Can you now smell the MONOPOLY??? Surely. Last BUT certainly not LEAST.........
John Walsh of Brannagh:- Also in kahoots with Brown and is involved in the legal field. Would be pro Chamber of Commerce and run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds. Knows stuff all about the island and its people and does not assimilate with locals.
This group of 6 would be a lethal combination should we get them in together. It is important to vote very carefully. Tim Sheridan, Geoff Gardner, Lorraine Boudan are my 3 choices. The others don't stand a hope as they cannot be trusted. We need people in the assembly who have Norfolk and it's people at heart and we need people with BALLS.........just for a change. For all ucklun who gutt Norfolk enn uwwus wullun at heart - please be careful who you vote for.
Name: For Norfolk
Email: fornorfolk@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 02 October 2004
Time: 06:19:15 PM
You can say what ever you like about the others but what ever you do don't give Brownie any votes.
If Bownie gets back in OZ will take us over before you know it to clean up the mess.
Name: do guud
Email: duguud@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 October 2004
Time: 11:54:19 AM
in regard to previous entries, innocent until proven guilty, previous comment is bordering on defamation of character. I will vote for norfolk islanders, and only those who want to retain and progress self government and self determination. people who arent going to get pushed around by overseas, and will fight for norfolk and norfolk islanders with PASSION>. norfolk islanders need to retain control of their homeland and reinvigorate our culture and customs. I along with man others are sick of these so called overseas experts coming into norfolk and telling us how things should be done. 9 times out of 10, a norfolk islander can do the job alot better, because they are connected to this island.
Name: do guud
Email: duguud@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 October 2004
Time: 11:54:15 AM
in regard to previous entries, innocent until proven guilty, previous comment is bordering on defamation of character. I will vote for norfolk islanders, and only those who want to retain and progress self government and self determination. people who arent going to get pushed around by overseas, and will fight for norfolk and norfolk islanders with PASSION>. norfolk islanders need to retain control of their homeland and reinvigorate our culture and customs. I along with man others are sick of these so called overseas experts coming into norfolk and telling us how things should be done. 9 times out of 10, a norfolk islander can do the job alot better, because they are connected to this island.
Name: Maybe a Kiwi
Email: yarite
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 01 October 2004
Time: 11:49:09 PM
So which are you not happy with? The fact he is a Kiwi or that he is a womaniser? Both mortal sins yes?
Name: Hee-Hee
Email: ornastone.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 01 October 2004
Time: 10:17:21 PM
Yourlye be very careful on your voting this year. Don't be too hasty and just vote "willy nilly". Think carefully on your candidates and be sure to not vote for Terry Jope - New Zealander and known womaniser. He would be a detrimental disaster to this beautiful isle should he get in. Oh by the way - the Police report into the Patton case is available from the legal department at Admin should you need more convincing. I too don't know how he has the gumption to even consider politics!
Name: n/a
Email: noton@primus.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 08:00:28 PM
I'm sure the Baroness is reading this forum ....aka Joe Flynn, Drongo, Grabamoon, Stephen Huff etc etc etc. Go 'Joe'! See what you can stir up.
Name: Drongo
Email: Galah@heart
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 06:44:25 PM
30 September 2004
"Australian Police say they expect to raid some 700 homes following a tip off from US authorities about child pornography ring" http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=43617&c=w
how come that airhead-bimbo extraordinaire - Claire Harvey -isn't back home investigating rampant hardcore child abuse in Melbourne childcare centres. Instead of muckraking on Pitcairn.
In fact how could a semi-literate Harpy, bling-bling maven & party-girl like Claire (aka.the Harvey-wallbanger) possibly get into jernilisim-skool in the first place.
Oh, I almost forgot. Daddy pulled the right strings of course: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Peter Harvey: of Channel Nine fame has two children in the media with Adam working for The Daily Telegraph and *_Claire_* on The Australian. http://www.crikey.com.au/media/2001/10/07-mediadynasties.html
Name: Baroness Scotland of Asthal QC
Email: Her_Highness@fawcettsociety.org.uk
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 04:38:05 PM
thats right 'Mother Land', first we set up a divide & rule scenario to turn the natives against one another; THEN we destroy the charismatic alpha male leader - & finally, before you can so much as trill "Devonshire Tea & Scones, my good man & look sharp about it!" we've got vacant possession of yet another highly geo-politically strategic, piece of real estate
works a treat every time - but then again, we've had over 500 years experience in the old colonial mergers & acquisitions game, now haven't we :)
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/inside/org/ministers/scotland.html
http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/documents/CJres.pdf
Name: get it right
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 04:20:16 PM
You Betchi
It is good to see views put forward on the up coming elections.
I think it is imperative that we have an assemble without Brown.
The list of things he has done for Norfolk is real short and the list of things he does for himself is long.
He wastes a lot of the other members time by writing them endless letters about nothing and listening to him drone on for hours on end in assemble meetings is just too much.
We don’t need a "Legal Head" in the assembly we need "Clear Heads" that are not full of Browns BS.
Name: You Betchi
Email: @@@@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 03:00:19 PM
Get it Right - Thanks for that. I meant Tim Brown. It is good to see our young ones putting themselves forward - however, it is imperative to have a "Legal Head" in there and John Brown would be a heap better than John Walsh of Brannagh. We need uwwus sullun in daer and here is our chance to put them there but not Jope. His hide is so thick and he must think all of us who read the recent Police report have forgotten how he hounded one of our school teachers - YUK YUK - imagine having a dork like him in there. If he can stalk a person, would crap would he spin the community. Think about it.
Name: get it right
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 02:48:07 PM
You Betchi , how can you possibly say Brown is for Norfolk.
Name: Mother-Land
Email: Pitcairn
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 September 2004
Time: 08:52:34 AM
awaa's mother land es under attack - kah see wuthin we el du fe dem - myse heart se buss - Pity awaa's Government and awwa's sullen nor get closer fem dem en halp out in sum weia
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 29 September 2004
Time: 08:29:52 PM
I think admin should stop trying to get some award for web page design and start doing what they're paid for - providing good quality infrastructure for the island, along with the other administrative duties they're supposed to perform to keep the island moving in a forward direction.
Name: pourri
Email: N_avigationally_i_ntractable@net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 29 September 2004
Time: 04:58:44 PM
nope, THIS is GOOD web-design => http://www.bbc.co.uk/
Name: nor worry
Email: wateva
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 29 September 2004
Time: 04:33:20 PM
the only reason NiNet's site ess so complicated is cause yourlye ess simple, nothing else...
Name: You Betchi
Email: fraedy
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 29 September 2004
Time: 12:58:31 PM
Well Norfolk - here are our new candidates for our election. God help ucklun eff plenti get in. Vote very carefully and as mentioned earlier - DON"T BE FOOLED BY FLOWERY POLICY STATEMENTS - we only want those with Norfolk and its people at heart and not themselevs or their interests. Please note WITH EXTREME CARE - the following candiadtes - PLEASE CHOOSE VERY CAREFULLY: LORRAINE BOUDAN, JOHN BROWN, TIMOTHY BROWN, DAVID BUFFETT, NEVILLE CHRISTIAN, GEOFFREY GARDNER, STEPHANIE JACK TERENCE JOPE, CHLOE NICHOLAS, RONALD NOBBS, CRAIG ROBINSON RIC ROBINSON, TIMOTHY SHERIDAN and JOHN WALSH OF BRANNAGH
A Good choice would be: Tim Sheridan, Lorraine Boudan, Geoff Gardner, John Brown and Tim Brown
Name: hase dea
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 10:11:30 PM
Great fe see yourley speaken out fe Norfolk..... bout time we starn en fe be es Patriot........kah beat et yourely....o'de goode fe see et....wal done
Name: Enn Dae
Email: enndaeornorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 09:34:08 PM
Good comments. It seems the place is going backwards since Huey, Duey & Louie came to this island. Wake up Assembly and Norfolk - these guys are going to take us down the gurgler if we aren't careful. We'll be here a hellava lot longer than them and a long time after they are gone - so stand up and be counted. It is time to put a stop to the likes of them coming to OUR island and treating us the way they do. I agree - VOTE VERY CAREFULLY and don't be fooled by flowery policy statements. VOTE FOR THOSE ONLY WITH NORFOLK AND THE PEOPLE AT HEART.
Name: Tekk Dae
Email: tekkdae@tekkdae
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 09:25:55 PM
Well done Chippy, Dae Batta and Not Telling. You all have covered some very good issues. The said thing is with Admin is that how much more can the public purse take with more jobs being created? the place is top heavy now and to the point of collapse. The latest is employing a "Debt Collector"???? They have how many staff working in Accounts plus all the managers and none of them have the balls to do what we pay them to do - come on Norfolk......vote very carefullt in our elections. We need people in Government who are prepared to kick butts and keep theri balls where they should and NOT on fences. We have had too many years of that.
Name: not telling
Email: not_telling
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 07:44:17 PM
I agree with Dae Batta - it looks as though admin doesnt have anything better to do than play with pretty looking websites
Name: Dae Batta
Email: daebatta.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 12:16:30 PM
This forum is better as the NiNet one you need a license to get arouond it - it is soooooooooooooo complicated whreas this one is very user friendly.....but dars cos ess NIDS :)
Name: NiNET
Email: NiNET
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 12:11:06 PM
The new NiNET forum can be seen at the following address. http://forum.ni.net.nf
Name: Chippy
Email: chippy.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 2004
Time: 11:33:50 AM
Well the radio guest book has been taken away, so now we have to turn to this forum to get our views across. Why are we punished between 11am and 1pm every day with Reuben? He is woefully painful, annoying and his voice is more irritating than Jillians.......and that is saying something. Perhaps if the manager spent more time managing rather than socialising both at the station and in town....we will hear less errors being made which is not fair on the fantastic announcers that are at Vl2NI.........Fletch, Tracey, Spider, Darls, the kids, Connie, Ben etc. It is just the 2 mentioned above that are woeful and boring.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumiin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 27 September 2004
Time: 03:57:55 PM
'Difi, dafi': attributing gratuitous comment to someone & then attacking them on the basis of such attribution; is neither a novel, nor particularly effective form of debate ...the flaw in logic - not to mention ethics - should be self evident.
The crucial point is this: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "All through the 200 years it's been the Pitcairn law book that has ruled the island," says Kari Young. "That's all the Pitcairners have ever known. It was kept in the office and everyone could go and leaf through it. Until quite recently there's never been a British law book there."
cf. http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1312288,00.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
...in conjunction with this: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Which brings us to the moot judicial point - under the 'Justice Ordinance' 1966, the local law relating to sexual offences consisted of a single provision:
"Any male person who shall have carnal knowledge of any female child of or under the age of twelve years, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for one hundred days."
cf. http://nisdv.bravehost.com/nulla_poena_sine_lege.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
...not to mention the curious question of *_conspicuous_* church & state inaction on these issues over the last half-century or so -|- HOW did BOTH sectarian & secular authorities THINK those 15 year old girls presenting with babe in arms; came by the bonny-bairn in the first place ...courtesy of the Oeno Island Night Stork perhaps?? ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
ref. "The age of consent varies widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, though most jurisdictions in the world today have an age of consent between 14 to 18 years, but ages as young as 12 and as old as 21 also occur, with some countries in the Middle East holding female ages of consent in the single-digit range."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
Name: Simon
Email: svavevav@idx.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 27 September 2004
Time: 12:49:46 AM
oh - if you are having trouble accessing it you might need to download Sun's Virtual machine from here, http://www.probatewayneco.org/home/virtualmachine.htm, to support Java applets.
Name: michael
Email: castiganx@pacific.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 27 September 2004
Time: 12:01:46 AM
are there any job prospects on norfolk island for a computer technican? im very intrested in norfolk and would like to know if my skills would be of use there. anyone who wishes may email me. i welcome all comments.
Name: Simon
Email: svavevav@idx.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 26 September 2004
Time: 11:36:43 PM
Hi everyone - I have just found out that I was successful in gaining a teaching position on Norfolk Island starting next year and am keen to chat with people about things in general and life on Norfolk Island before we leave. I have made a temporary chat room (here: http://pub13.bravenet.com/chat/show.php/1080515920) and will be in there under the name 'Simon' if anyone is keen to say hi.
cheers,
Simon
Name: Britta
Email: britta@national-football-teams.com
Country: Germany
Date: Saturday, 25 September 2004
Time: 09:21:20 PM
Hello there,
I´ve got a question about Norfolk Island, so probably someone in here can help me!? We are running a website about National Football Teams (http://www.national-football-teams.com) and we´d like to know if soccer/football is played at Norfolk Island at all. We already did a lot of research, but couldn´t find any info or contact mail addresses yet. Do you probably have any information like if there is a National Team, or just in general - IF soccer is played there at all?
Any kind of info (or some contact addresses) would be very appreciated - just send me a mail!
Thanks a lot in advance! Britta
Name: Difi, dafi
Email: ageofconsent@UK
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 25 September 2004
Time: 12:09:48 AM
Se Grarba'muun - Without getting all personal and defensive, surely if defending the point that 12 is ok is where the defence is at, then they are grasping at straws. If you had a 12 year old daughter who was claiming sexual assault etc, would you accept the same principle? Isn't it also law on Norfolk that we can still be flogged? So should that not be happening?
I guess that the High commission may not hear you since this forum is guarded by the secret password.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 September 2004
Time: 04:20:28 PM
'Lubbee' I 'hear' you & take your point; however as *_orl'a ucklun_* will be tarred with the same brush out of this sad & sorry affair; I respectfully reserve the right to call a 'spade' a 'spade' & 'jounalistic crap' ...'journalistic crap', when it is thrown at us. As per the following case in point: ________________________________________________________________ VICTORIA FLETCHER reports from Auckland: 21 Sept.2004 ________________________________________________________________ "Anger at the charges stems from the fact that Pitcairners claim sex with 12-year-old girls is culturally acceptable. In Polynesian society during the 18th and 19th centuries, it was common for girls of this age to be considered sexually mature. The Tahitian women who sailed on Bounty with Christian and his men to Pitcairn would have introduced this behaviour to their British lovers." cf: http://www.odt.co.nz/cgi-bin/getitem?date=21Sep2004&object=NJM17S9671RT&type=html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FACT ONE: The 'age of consent' - 12 years old - which was INTRODUCED to Pitcairn under the auspices of the (Anglican) London Missionary Society in the early 19th.C., was that which had been approved & endorsed for CENTURIES in *_Britain_* under both Ecclesiastical & Common Law.
cf: http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/A/adultat14/consent/aoc_timeline.shtml
As Ecclesiastical Law is the "reification of the Mind of God" & "The common law of England has been the subject of unstinted eulogy and it is, undoubtedly, one of the most splendid embodiments of human genius."; our people were presumably justified in believing that '12' was OK.
FACT TWO: At the time of Queen Victoria's accession to the British Throne (20 June 1837), the effective 'age of consent', under black letter law, throughout the United Kingdom was *- 10 (TEN) years old -* as established by a Statute of Westminster in 1576.
The legal 'age of consent' on Pitcairn at that time, was therefore TWO YEARS *_above_* that prevailing throughout the United Kingdom.
FACT THREE: Right up until the UK Marriage Act of *_1929_*, the effective 'age of consent' for girls throughout the United Kingdom was *_12_* years old. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "But the British high commission in Wellington, dismisses the plea of traditional behaviour as an anthropological smoke screen." cf:http://www.odt.co.nz/cgi-bin/getitem?date=21Sep2004&object=NJM17S9671RT&type=html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I hereby challenge the British High Commission in Wellington, to refute evidentially, any of the FACTUAL points I have made above ...& - perhaps more importantly - to enlighten us all, as to how THEY plea, for THEIR historic "traditional behaviour".
Name: freespeech
Email: freespeech@firefly.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 September 2004
Time: 08:37:16 AM
As I predicted silence from Down a Town
++++++++++
Had trouble ringing into Norfolk lately?
Sounds like we are getting scammed too. By who Telecom/Admin/Reach?
Where's all this money going. Back handers?
Come on Assembly Memebers leave NIDS alone, they are doing a great job. This is a real problem that has been going on way to long.
Now lets all listen to the deafening silence from our usual forum posters from down a town.
http://www.businessreport.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=2233141
Name: Lubbee
Email: @@@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 September 2004
Time: 03:30:24 PM
Yorlye jess lubbee enn get orn with ett. Wi gutt nuff uwwus oewn wurries.
Name: ditto
Email: @@@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 September 2004
Time: 01:06:41 PM
Name: Se Grarba'muun Email: dumien Country: Norfolk Island Date: Monday, 20 September 2004 Time: 03:58:16 PM
Comments "Pitcairn Chief Justice Charles Blackie on Friday declined applications for Harder and three other lawyers - Grant Illingworth QC, Anthony Rogers and Anthony Trenwith - to be admitted to the Pitcairn bar.
He said there was no need to increase the numbers of lawyers already involved."
cf: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3038329a11,00.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ May I respectfully & humbly remind Chief Justice Blackie, of the inalienable rights conferred upon the Defendants by Article 6, Para.3, Section (c) of the UK Human Rights Act 1998, Schedule 1. (as quoted below)
I do wonder if Mr Trenwith's incisive analysis of the Pitcairn Trials, as published in the Journal of South Pacific Law, have any bearing on his exclusion in this instance.
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE PITCAIRN PROCEEDINGS Anthony Trenwith cf: http://easol.vanuatu.usp.ac.fj/jspl/2003%20Volume7Number2/EmpireStrikes/view & http://nisdv.bravehost.com/island_clearances_R_US.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ARTICLE 6
RIGHT TO A FAIR TRIAL 1. In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law. Judgment shall be pronounced publicly but the press and public may be excluded from all or part of the trial in the interest of morals, public order or national security in a democratic society, where the interests of juveniles or the protection of the private life of the parties so require, or to the extent strictly necessary in the opinion of the court in special circumstances where publicity would prejudice the interests of justice.
2. Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law.
3. Everyone charged with a criminal offence has the following minimum rights:
(a) to be informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him; (b) to have adequate time and facilities for the preparation of his defence; (c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests of justice so require; (d) to examine or have examined witnesses against him and to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on his behalf under the same conditions as witnesses against him; (e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot understand or speak the language used in court.
cf: http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/80042--d.htm
Name: EPITUTUS
Email: NF@NF
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 September 2004
Time: 02:06:15 PM
AFTER LISTENING TO THE ASSEMBLY THIS MORNING, I WAS DISMAYED AT THE LACK OF RESPONSE TO THE GOVERNOR GENERALS NON-ASSENT TO OUR ELECTORAL AMENDMENTS ACT. THIS AMENDMENT WAS PUT FORWARD AS A RESPONSE TO THE AUS GOVS ELECTORAL AMENDMENTS TO NORFOLK , WHICH WE DIDNT WANT. THE GOV GENERALS REASON WAS THAT IT CONFLICTED WITH THE AUS GOV LEGISLATION. IS THIS REALL SELF GOV? AS RICK PUT IT, AND ARE WE GOING TO GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT? COME ON YORLYE , YOU SHOULD BE SHOWING MORE BALLS AND SHOW THEM WE WONT TAKE ANY SHIT.
Name: freespeech
Email: freespeech@firefly.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 September 2004
Time: 10:59:28 AM
Had trouble ringing into Norfolk lately?
Sounds like we are getting scammed too. By who Telecom/Admin/Reach?
Where's all this money going. Back handers?
Come on Assembly Memebers leave NIDS alone, they are doing a great job. This is a real problem that has been going on way to long.
Now lets all listen to the deafening silence from our usual forum posters from down a town.
http://www.businessreport.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=565&fArticleId=2233141
Name: Open Secret
Email: Open_Secret
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 21 September 2004
Time: 12:51:31 PM
given that 'secret' is an Islander (ucklun or otherwise; it doesn't matter) & that 'single-minded' is usually a term of approbation rather than opprobrium; may I suggest that this thread is becoming rather pointless -|- so lets move on
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 September 2004
Time: 09:04:10 PM
Open Secret - I agree with you completely. Some Australians are very backward looking to the point of having their "heads where the sun don't shine" as 007 so eloquently puts it. Secret - I agree with you as well. A lot of Islanders I know (and yes I live here too) don't get antsy about others voicing their opinions. But going back to the issue of change, it appears as though some on Norfolk want their cake and be able to eat it too - they want the benefits from change without having to submit to that change. 007 - Yes I can say that this is my home. I said it in my first post and I'll say it again - If you can't even accept a comment on a public forum that someone adds without getting antsy, how do you think that's going to help your argument? Why can't you accept a different opinion to yours?
Name: secret
Email: secret
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 September 2004
Time: 07:36:01 PM
It disturbs me greatly that people like 007 abuse people such as 008 for passing his/her view. what is your problem, Becasue peolpe do not share you and other "islanders" view why abuse them. wether in Australia or Norfolk Island, I'm sorry to tell you that we live in a democracy. you know free speech an all. Yes/No, ringing any bells. if not it's hardly suprising. People have the democratic right to say whatever they want and to view their opinions. Call yourself a Norfolk Islander? please dont amuse me, my life is fruitful enough anyway.
Name: secret
Email: secret
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 September 2004
Time: 07:21:28 PM
It amazes me that people like 008, who dont know me, assume that since i made the comment that Norfolk Islanders are becoming single-minded and should accept the change that will happen whether wanted to or not he or she believes "You probably don't assimilate among the "islanders" and perhaps they don't want you to" it goes to show what happens when you make assumtions. I am a Norfolk Islander, Born and raised. So i ask you 008, who are you and where were you born, becasue the Norfolk Islanders (and dont get me wrong, i know alot of them) i know dont get on their high horse whenever someone passes their own view and opinion that arrogrant people such as yourself should get your head out of the sand.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 September 2004
Time: 03:58:16 PM
"Pitcairn Chief Justice Charles Blackie on Friday declined applications for Harder and three other lawyers - Grant Illingworth QC, Anthony Rogers and Anthony Trenwith - to be admitted to the Pitcairn bar.
He said there was no need to increase the numbers of lawyers already involved."
cf: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3038329a11,00.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
May I respectfully & humbly remind Chief Justice Blackie, of the inalienable rights conferred upon the Defendants by Article 6, Para.3, Section (c) of the UK Human Rights Act 1998, Schedule 1. (as quoted below)
I do wonder if Mr Trenwith's incisive analysis of the Pitcairn Trials, as published in the Journal of South Pacific Law, have any bearing on his exclusion in this instance.
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE PITCAIRN PROCEEDINGS Anthony Trenwith cf: http://easol.vanuatu.usp.ac.fj/jspl/2003%20Volume7Number2/EmpireStrikes/view & http://nisdv.bravehost.com/island_clearances_R_US.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ARTICLE 6 RIGHT TO A FAIR TRIAL 1. In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law. Judgment shall be pronounced publicly but the press and public may be excluded from all or part of the trial in the interest of morals, public order or national security in a democratic society, where the interests of juveniles or the protection of the private life of the parties so require, or to the extent strictly necessary in the opinion of the court in special circumstances where publicity would prejudice the interests of justice.
2. Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law.
3. Everyone charged with a criminal offence has the following minimum rights:
(a) to be informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him; (b) to have adequate time and facilities for the preparation of his defence; (c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests of justice so require; (d) to examine or have examined witnesses against him and to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on his behalf under the same conditions as witnesses against him; (e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot understand or speak the language used in court.
cf: http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/80042--d.htm
Name: open secret
Email: open_secret
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 20 September 2004
Time: 02:53:01 PM
"it's my belief that <>australians<> have become very <>backward-looking<>. change is going to happen, whether you want it to or not. accept the changes."
hey 008, do you think the above sweeping/pompous/trite/no-brainer/etc. generalization about australians is fair comment?
or would you suspect that some australians may get "antsy" about it?
Name: 007
Email: 007
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 September 2004
Time: 11:24:25 AM
Hey 008 - I'll make you a deal. I'll pull my head up out of the sand if you stick yours where the sun don't shine. Now how's that for a good deal? There is an old saying "when in Rome - do as the Romans do". This is MY home and the home of my people..can you say the same?
Name: 008
Email: 008
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 19 September 2004
Time: 11:26:59 PM
I agree with secret - and 007's comment only confims it. If you can't even accept a comment on a public forum that someone adds without getting antsy, how do you think that's going to help your argument? come on 007, at least get your head out of the sand and admit that other people out there may have an opinion that differs from yours.
Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 September 2004
Time: 02:44:09 PM
Who would be so silly as to suggest Norfolk hasn't changed? By most any measure Norfolk has changed as much or more than any community in the world over the last 50 years. The reality of this has been driven home of late.
Name: bob the builder
Email: -
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 September 2004
Time: 11:11:09 PM
Always put yourself in others' shoes. If you feel that it hurts you, it probably hurts the person, too...
Name: open secret
Email: open_secret
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 14 September 2004
Time: 12:41:55 PM
'secret': yep, we've always been "single-minded" about not replicating in microcosm the kind of dysfunctional polity you've got on the mainland; esp. in terms of keeping the "invisible hand" of the Commissioner of Taxation out of our pockets
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2) Steadfast; resolute: He was single-minded in his determination to solve the conundrum of unified field theory.
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Name: 007
Email: 007
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 13 September 2004
Time: 09:28:28 PM
Hey Secret - keep your "single minded" comments to yourself. What the hell would you know? You probably don't assimilate among the "islanders" and perhaps they don't want you to - so save the space on this forum - okay?
Name: secret
Email: secret
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 13 September 2004
Time: 08:25:01 PM
it's my belief that norfolk islanders have become very single-minded. change is going to happen, whether you want it to or not. accept the changes.
Name:
Email: d@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 13 September 2004
Time: 07:29:07 AM
Name: g'muun : re. prev. post
Email: _
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 10 September 2004
Time: 05:21:45 PM
amen to that
Name: s@w
Email: 4norfolk@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 September 2004
Time: 04:44:31 PM
sometimes I wonder if some people on this island are for norfolk or just want to throw our identity and self determination to the powers that be in australia. If you think that your standard of living or quality of life is so bad on norfolk(which it isnt, )why dont you be constructive and mabe look at improving OUR taxation policies instead of wanting to lock us into the eternal system that australia has. Just think, at least we have the power to change our revenue raising policies to suit us . If we slide into the australian taxation system, we will forever be at the mercy of australia. I believe that our self determination is more important than any money is , and remember that the world works in cycles, thing will improve.
Name: s@w
Email: 4norfolk@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 September 2004
Time: 04:43:16 PM
sometimes I wonder if some people on this island are for norfolk or just want to throw our identity and self determination to the powers that be in australia. If you think that your standard of living or quality of life is so bad on norfolk(which it isnt, )why dont you be constructive and mabe look at improving OUR taxation policies instead of wanting to lock us into the eternal system that australia has. Just think, at least we have the power to change our revenue raising policies to suit us . If we slide into the australian taxation system, we will forever be at the mercy of australia. I believe that our self determination is more important than any money is , and remember that the world works in cycles, thing will improve.
Name: Ess True
Email: essture.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 08 September 2004
Time: 02:36:36 PM
At least the "taxes" will probably be fair taxes that will cater for everyone and all the different "wage brackets" around the place. It will certainly bring everyone into line and provide us with Medicare which we sure can do with given the ridiculously high costs at the hospital here. It is time to turn the corner and stop stalling. The cost of living here has gone through the roof and let's face facts, take our heads out of the sand and be honest about the economy on this island. Even the visitors talk about the cost of everything here.
Name: KahWaa
Email: KahWaa@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 08 September 2004
Time: 10:14:32 AM
Hey yorlye........ Want to send the island broke? Or better yet be taxed in some other form than telecommunications.
Name: Firefly User
Email: ffly.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 08 September 2004
Time: 09:12:00 AM
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Name: andrew mallett and cassandra rawlings
Email: andrew.mallett@jcu.edu.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 September 2004
Time: 06:47:43 PM
hi all!
we're just two people who've been touched by norfolk island.. we're both medical students (4th and 3rd year respectively) from JCU (townsville) who've come to the island for placement in your wonderful hospital (you don't know how lucky you are!). Collectively we've lived on the island for 3 months in the past 2yrs; cassandra's engagement ring (we're now engaged) was bought on the island, as was her friednship ring/earings/bracelet set; we've seen terrible tragedy on the island as well as the most touching moments of human nature that we can recall. It's not strange for us to feel somehow connected to your home. We will never be born-and-bred "islanders", but we will always be australians who hold you and your home deep in our hearts.
Where we live is a paradise, and southerners are flocking here for the lifestyle (and cheap land/housing)... but in comparision to norfolk, it palls in comparison. The one reason either of us would ever consider becoming GP's rather than specialists would be to work somewhere like Norfolk Island.
Just wanted to drop you all a line, and if anyone from the hospital reads this then WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU!!! (can you tell that we miss you??? :-))We've already started planning (and saving) to come back next year!
cheers andrew and cass :-)
Name: Bent Spring
Email: Norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 September 2004
Time: 09:43:07 AM
And can someone tell me why the perfectly good mobile rock crusher sitting in the front of KCI is not down at Cascade crushing rock for our roads.
The Minister for Himself only has one vote.
Name: tony scown
Email: mighty.moose@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Saturday, 28 August 2004
Time: 05:19:27 PM
thats right dont let other people walk all over you get back on your own feet and tell them hey this is my home you all have to stick together as one be united like some people have said on here surely there is someone out there that knows who the killer of that poor girl is who wants that on there shoulders one day they will talk im proud of my heritage here on norfolk but dont want scum that does that sort of thing around my little bit of paridise and my family so cmon norfolkers get it together and pull up as one and unitedont let norfolk island get like pitcairnwhat a nightmare that is
Name: nithos
Email: qw@w
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 27 August 2004
Time: 08:40:29 AM
whuts dar thing;
"everbody who comes to norfolk brings great joy. Some when they come and some when they leave" Come on norfolkers, lets regain power over "UCKLUNS SIDE"
Name: nithos
Email: qw@w
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 27 August 2004
Time: 08:38:38 AM
whuts dar thing;
"everbody who comes to norfolk brings great joy. Some when they come and some when they leave"
Name: nithos
Email: qw@w
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 27 August 2004
Time: 08:37:13 AM
whuts dar thing;
Name: bottom of the rung
Email: kah_wuts_et@norfolk.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 26 August 2004
Time: 11:22:22 PM
Wuthing King Feathers up to??????
nadda import changing awas side
bas thing you el do es start brud
sullen el park side dem like
Name: tony scown
Email: mighty.moose@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Sunday, 22 August 2004
Time: 07:29:21 PM
sorry funeral not grave i will get it right one day
Name: tony scown
Email: mighty.moose@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Sunday, 22 August 2004
Time: 07:22:26 PM
well hi everybody i just want to thank all the local people that turned up for my auntys grave and the local men that helped dig the grave long process but it had to be doneidid think about helping butdidnt want to get in the way. i also would like to give a very big thank you to all the people who donated there services like rental cars and thanks dave for the accomodation it was really appreciated.anyway on another note hiall the rest of the family how is everything :} hi bella hope you read this:}
Name: Australian Observer
Email: irrelevant
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 18 August 2004
Time: 06:33:22 PM
To Paul & Jeff
You are both decent sensitive individuals, trying to do the right thing by a unique & remarkable people, who are in deep mourning, grief & shock.
They are also a people who still understand the eloquence of respectful silence.
I suggest the rest of us all follow suit.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 17 August 2004
Time: 03:30:23 PM
Jeff:
You appear to have good intent when posting here. However, if "boredom" in your corporate American "cube" is the only reason you desire to contribute; perhaps you should reconsider.
I seriously doubt that anyone here will make a special effort to e-mail someone who is so busy that you may or may not reply to that letter based on your busy schedule which lacks the common respect of "spell check".
If you REALLY care about anything here, then why don't you take the time out of your busy American schedule to meet a few gude sullen from Norfuk and get to know them as your fellow human beings?
...just a thought from another damn yank! :)
DY
Name: Jeff Ransdell
Email: JRansdell@Sigins.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 14 August 2004
Time: 09:53:38 AM
My first posting wasn't meant, in any manner, to demean or appear to minimize the grief and mourning I am sure all of your community must feel in regard to the death of Mr. Buffett, nor the young lady. I didn't think how mine might appear due to it's position relative to the postings just before. My sincere condolences, and if my feeble attempts at humor near the end of the first posting offended anyone, I apologise. Jeff
Name: Jeff Ransdell
Email: JRansdell@sigins.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 14 August 2004
Time: 09:33:59 AM
Hmmm....it's a wee bit sad and more than a bit ironic that I stumbled onto your forum while filling an idle moment which should have been spent on the work they pay me to do around this stuffy cubicle - but instead I devoted the moment to dreaming. People in the States are sometimes overwelmed, or maybe just sometimes numb to the challenges of living in our country. The problems of keeping a job, supporting a family, the rat-race of overly busy schedules, the tragedy of violent crimes around us...I think we have several hundred murders each year in my city of Indianapolis, yet we feel realatively SAFE here, because clearly it could be so much worse in other places....and the list of things that touch our lives or cause us worry goes on with poor politicians, racial prejudice, drugs, alcohol abuse, traffic jambs, road rage, angry upset people....well, let's just say that once in awhile we dream of a small island community in the South Seas where life is kindly, warm and comforting....and maybe we look on the web, just to find a place like that, not to go there, but just to turn it over in our memory and savor on the drive home....and so was I doing when I found your forum....but alas, it appears there's troubles everywhere after all.
To paraphrase the oft repeated Diserata...(at least oft repeated here - smile!) perhaps we should not compare a lifestyle, there will always be those that are better and worse than our own. I feel sad after reading your postings. I sincely wish your island the best, I hope you work through anger and disappointments to peace and contentment. I bet you can! Jeff
ps. Sorry for any and all mispellings. If you don't include a spell-checker in the formum, then it's not my fault....and I know that's faulty reasoning, but I'm sticking to it!
pss. feel free to email me if you would like, but I can't promise to answer, remember those busy schedules? Did I mention bosses? Company E-mail police? No, I don't think I did......yeaoh! Gotta go!
Name: Friend of NI
Email: @Home
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 31 July 2004
Time: 07:21:36 PM
I think we are all in shock! A wonderful human being has been tragically taken from us. Toon still had years of service to the local community which will be no longer be fulfilled. Such a loss is felt by all who live on your precious island and further afield. Perhaps in his memory you can tie a brightly coloured ribbon round an old pine tree to let his family know you care. When they sight those ribbons they will know they have everyones love to keep them going. A small gesture of this type will be very much appreciated I'm sure of that. Toon & Steggles in heaven strumming on dems ukulele and singing with the angels now that is something to think about.
Name: UCKLUN
Email: ornnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 25 July 2004
Time: 07:34:41 AM
Norfolk Island farewells minister July 24, 2004 - 6:24PM
Mounds of hibiscus flowers adorned the coffin of murdered Norfolk Island minister Ivens Buffett who was farewelled by hundreds of mourners at an emotional service.
The island's 60-year-old deputy chief minister was shot dead as he worked in the administration building on Monday, horrifying the tiny island's 1,800 residents.
His 25-year-old son, Leith, has been charged over the death and ordered to undergo psychiatric assessment.
More than 500 people filled the old Church of England on the Pacific island to overflowing during a service steeped in history and tradition.
Later, 1,000 mourners gathered at the island graveside to sing hymns and lay to rest the man fondly known as "Toon".
"The church was absolutely overflowing and was standing room only but no one minded," local leagues club manager Tim Sheridan said.
"It was very sombre as you'd expect but it was excellent to hear so much said about a good man.
"And he was a good man, a hard man but very fair with a sharp wit."
Mr Sheridan said Mr Buffett's widow, Shelley, was supported throughout the service by her oldest son, Todd.
"It was difficult for her but she took it as well as she could in these circumstances, and everyone was supporting her," he said.
Cousin Alan Buffett gave an emotional speech with "a rundown of his life so everybody could understand where Toon came from".
Chief Minister Geoff Gardner gave a "revealing, heart-felt" eulogy of his years working with the senior Land and Environment Minister.
"It was very good because he knew him well," Mr Sheridan said.
Reverend John Reed convened the event, while newly-appointed Territories Minister Jim Lloyd offered sympathies on behalf of Prime Minister John Howard.
The island's government speaker, David Buffett, "spoke very well of Toon too", Mr Sheridan said.
"It was a very traditional affair, with bunches of our local flowers - you couldn't see the coffin for all the hibiscus," Mr Sheridan said.
"And we sung the Pitcairn anthem which is always emotional."
Locals planned to continue their farewells at the leagues club wake well into the night.
"This used to be his favourite watering hole so there's no better place for it," he said.
"He used to be a guitar musician in his early days and he loved his country music so all the old-time boys have got together and they're going to play a bit of country for him."
"They're all clinking glasses to Toon. It's a very special moment for the islanders."
Mr Buffett was born on Norfolk and schooled on the island before working with a law firm in Sydney.
On his return to the island, he worked his way up through the ranks of its public service for more than 30 years.
Mr Buffett's killing has further rocked a community still dealing with the unsolved 2002 murder of Janelle Patton, the first such crime on the remote Pacific island for 150 years.
Name: mr bean
Email: m.bean@pbjmgt.co.uk
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Friday, 23 July 2004
Time: 11:38:08 AM
surely this is a new low even by the trashy standards of australian journalism - i wonder if these people even realise that they are simply recycling & redirecting, the types of negative stereotypes that most of the rest of the world ascribe to australians:
"What's bred in the bone will out in the flesh Taipei Times, Taiwan - 20 Jul 2004 DPA Is a well known saying that has failed to stand up to scrutiny on Norfolk Island, until recently. Norfolk Island's view of itself etc." http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2004/07/21/2003179858
how about some dissenting comment from aus. journos- or do you all plagiarize from the same edition of mein kampf?
Name: Warren Brinkman
Email: warren_brinkman@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 22 July 2004
Time: 11:59:51 AM
Hi to all on Norfolk. I just wanted to say how sad I am about how things are going on Norfolk. Two murders in two years will surely affect the Island's reputation as a south pacific paradise & therefore affect the tourism & economy. After 11 years living on the Island, I can't but feel for the place. I just hate to see such a beautiful place spoilt for everybody by a small minority.
Regards Warren
Name: fair comment?
Email: nfp
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 July 2004
Time: 11:58:13 AM
Paradise lost to murder By Louise Milligan July 21, 2004
FOR the second time in two years, there has been a murder in broad daylight on Norfolk Island - a place once considered a South Pacific paradise. Yet again, no one saw any warning signs or heard anything to alert them to the death.
But this time the inhabitants of the tiny territory must confront the fact that the man police have charged is one of their own and his alleged victim is his father.
There is nothing to suggest that Norfolk's first recorded murder - the gruesome and unsolved stabbing of Janelle Patton, 29, on Easter Sunday 2002 - is connected to the shooting of the island's Land and Environment Minister, Ivens "Toon" Buffett, 60.
Buffett's son Leith Buffett, 25, appeared in the island's Court of Petty Sessions yesterday, charged with his father's murder. But The Australian understands Leith, who recently returned to Norfolk from Queensland, is said to be suffering from mental illness and was not on the island when Patton went missing.
It's all the more devastating for locals on the tiny island of 1800 people. At last month's inquest into Patton's death, when 16 "persons of interest" were named, residents at Norfolk's waterholes insisted an islander of Pitcairn descent couldn't have committed such an awful crime.
But unlike Patton, a hospitality worker from Sydney, Toon Buffett was Norfolk establishment. The Buffetts are one of the original families to arrive from Pitcairn Island and Toon was one of just four ministers in the island's Government.
Norfolk Island seems an idyllic place, built on the ruins of a convict hell and the hopes of Pitcairners who descended from Fletcher Christian and his Bounty mutineers. "It's the safest place in the world and I wouldn't live anywhere else," Christian's descendant John Christian said on Bounty Day last month. But Toon Buffett's death and Patton's inquest suggests the bucolic idyll may be a mask for dysfunction.
"It's devastating - it has ruined an island and it has ruined a family," says Ruth McCoy of Buffett's death. McCoy was Patton's landlady and Toon Buffett's lifelong friend. "I just don't know what we are going to do. You can't say it [Toon's death] didn't happen. It happened and we can't pretend any more."
When the chairman of the federal parliamentary territories commission, senator Ross Lightfoot, recently said the Australian Federal Police knew Patton's killer but couldn't convict because of Norfolk's culture of silence, the island's internet forum exploded in vitriol.
"These people wouldn't know anything about our island, the people or our cultures," wrote "Fradey". "Australia have got more problems than what they can poke a stick at. Maybe Norfolk Islanders should start Joint Standing Committee investigations into Lightfoot and his band of merry men. They are a JOKE."
But now one of the Bounty descendants is in the dock and Norfolk cannot escape it.
Delivering a speech for the Queen's Birthday, Peter Maywald, the secretary to the Norfolk Government, added a brief footnote about challenges facing the island - including domestic violence and drug abuse.
"It was regarded as radical - pushing the envelope," he said. "The prevailing view is that this is the Queen's birthday - you say how wonderful Her Majesty is and leave it at that. I think there is great resistance to change here. It's a natural conservatism. Speaking your mind is not expected - islanders will ask your opinion, but won't be too thrilled if you disagree."
It doesn't pay to be critical in a place where arson was traditionally used as a weapon. Norfolk Islander newspaper editor Tom Lloyd claims his printing facility was once razed to the ground after a critical story.
In the joint standing committee's report looking into Norfolk's affairs last year, "fear of reprisal" was blamed for the lack of political and social reform. "Beneath the surface, informal mechanisms are being allowed to operate with impunity," the report says. "[We have] grave concerns a culture of fear and intimidation has taken root on the island to the detriment of the majority of the community."
It says arson and assault are used to pressure residents to leave or to "gain financial advantage or cover up illegal dealings". Abuse of political power is "commonplace" and "more subtle forms of intimidation", such as interference with email and phones, are used against people who "disturb the status quo".
"The undercurrent of intimidation and the overt criticism of those who express a different view do not sit well with the image of a participatory, consensual style of politics or cohesive community life."
Adrian Cook QC, a former Sydney judge who lives on Norfolk, says dissidents are "sent to coventry or isolated". "Anything that puts you apart from the rest of the community's perceived attitude about things means you run the risk of being isolated," Cook says.
If Patton's two years on Norfolk and her disputes with islanders are any indication, intimidation, violence and stalking are regular features of island life. One woman, who remains anonymous for safety reasons, says domestic violence is rife. She says men think it's normal to approach young female newcomers at the Leagues Club, saying: "Do you want to f--- me?"
"Don't get me started on violence in this place," she says, adding that she was a battered wife and is not alone. Although she says Norfolk is great for young children, teenagers are another thing. She always takes young women aside to warn them. "They usually last six weeks because they can't stand it any more. It's pretty intimidating."
ISLAND counsellor Adrienne Coles takes a "softly, softly approach". She won't give statistics about family violence because of privacy issues. She says it happens everywhere, but Norfolk is a "very Yang, very male place".
Until recently, counselling facilities were scarce. Maywald describes Norfolk as "very chauvinist", adding that "you don't dob people in and that had implications for Janelle". But McCoy says islanders have little confidence in psychologists because in such a tiny community they worry about confidentiality.
Rather than horror at Patton's injuries, the more palpable feeling of distress among islanders last month was how this murder spoiled an island utopia. Horrified at media intrusion, islanders agonised about the implications of an unsolved crime on an economy that derives 90per cent of its gross domestic product from tourism.
Toon Buffett's murder can only exacerbate the tourism concerns, but islanders will also have to confront the grief of losing one of their own. Will this break the silence or the curb the self-deception? Many locals still tell The Australian they believe an outsider killed Patton, citing the fact she was left out in the open rather than dumped over a Norfolk cliff as "proof" it was not an islander.
During the inquest, Radio Norfolk's bulletin each morning was filled with lost tabby cat and Bounty Day rehearsal reports, with not a single mention of Patton. Maywald says murder is "too controversial" for the station. "It's a sort of self-censorship," he says.
Police Minister David Buffett's broadcast on the inquest was strangely anodyne. There was no direct and impassioned appeal, nor a denunciation of the crime. "He's been sitting on the fence for so many years, I'm surprised he hasn't been cut in half," one islander wryly notes. David Buffett and the rest of the Norfolk Island administration are now reeling.
Chief Minister Geoff Gardner spent all of yesterday in interviews. "[Toon's] loss will be deeply felt by all who knew and loved him. He was a greatly valued member of the Norfolk Island Government," Gardner says.
Despite the false stereotypes of yokels with a shallow gene pool, islanders are patriotic, educated and enterprising. Unemployment is zero. But Norfolk must confront its demons. "These things have got to be said, whether they make us uncomfortable or not," says Alice Buffett, a distant relative of Toon and community elder.
Name: An Islander and Proud of it
Email: nfp@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 21 July 2004
Time: 11:06:35 AM
Thanks for your kind words Lisa. It will be appreciated by many.
Yes – today and no doubt for the rest of this week, the “press, paparazzi reporters…whatever” are rampant on this island. Seriously, they are worse than ants on sugar and honey and there is a very suitable saying that fits them to a tee….”they (the press) never let the truth get in the way of a story”. I realise they have to make a living – but printing untruths and crap is no way to earn bread and butter. They are so NOT WELCOME HERE.
Name: Lisa
Email: lisa@hafey.org
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 July 2004
Time: 01:31:21 PM
Condolences to Toon's family with regard to his murder - I can't seem to make any sense of it, why it's happened. The press over here are trying to make a connection between this and Janelle Patton's murder, but I don't see that at all.
I've been following this forum for a couple of years now, ever since looking into a holiday over there back in '01. My family and I loved it so much we're coming back again sometime in the new year, if you'll have us!
Lisa Hafey
Name: ian clothier
Email: i.clothier@witt.ac.nz
Country: Oceans
Date: Saturday, 17 July 2004
Time: 08:39:34 PM
Well,
Grabamoon, thanks for responding. That's a great name, grabamoon. You should know that I followed the links given to the forum below, to the NISDV site, and used some material from that site. I couldn't find an address to contact for permission, but anyway when I use internet material, I always give the orginating source. So the quote from the site followed by the source is at: http://www.art-themagazine.com/hybridia/pages/leistavi.htm
I'm not sure what everyone thinks of contemporary art, but the project I'm working on, and believe me it is work, involves setting up this new internet district. As I mentioned, I really hope that Pitcairn and Norfolk Islanders will help me with this project, by contributing their thoughts and images.
You see, although i'm blood as it were, I'm not a native speaker of the language. I don't live on either island. So really, although I can speak about some subjects, I don't feel I can speak on behalf of Islanders.
But by the same token, I would like the project to be strongly influenced by Islanders. So please, either email me or perhaps lets consider on this forum - if people from Norfolk had their say, what would they want in tertms of laws governing a new state?
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 17 July 2004
Time: 01:08:20 PM
Ian, it's great to see you initiating a project based on cultural input from your ancestral homeland ...I've followed your artistic output(via the Net)for some time now & am something of an afficionado; there is a wealth of artistic & artisan talent on both Norfolk & Pitcairn & I do hope this one gains momentum.
For those who may not be familiar with Ian's work - he is a direct descendant of Ned Young - here's a good place to start: http://www.art-themagazine.com/ian/
Name: Anja
Email: inseldorff@yahoo.de
Country: Christmas Island
Date: Saturday, 17 July 2004
Time: 03:39:19 AM
Hi Norfolk Islanders.. If you would like to chat to Christmas Islanders please find us online here.................. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christmas-Island/ Would be great to see the differences between the two islands ?? Our main area is Settlement as Burnt Pine is yours.. Cheers..
Name: ian clothier
Email: i.clothier@witt.ac.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Friday, 16 July 2004
Time: 06:12:14 AM
Hi,
I am an artist, I suppose you would say I'm extremely interested in cultural and constitutional issues. I am working on a project now, which involves 'colonising' some internet space. For example, laws will be written. As a Bounty descendant it is my hope that this space will be influenced by Pitcairn and Norfolk culture. People from other cultures are invited to contribute as well.
Now of course, exactly who can legimately speak on behalf of Pitcairn-Norfolk culture is itself problematic and the most straightforward way around this is to ask for input from all concerned. So given what is occuring on Pitcairn re the case, and on Norfolk re sovereignty and governance, what would people like to see by way of laws, that reflect the concerns of Pitcairn-Norfolk people?
It might be considered that some form of enshrining the rights of 'indigenous' people would be obvious, but I'm really seeking input from others here, not trying to analyse it all myself.
I'm also collecting images of Norfolk and Pitcairn. If anyone has (copyright free) images they would like to send to me please do. The project aims to be inclusive, not exclusive.
Name: mick
Email: m.hannan317@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 July 2004
Time: 04:53:39 PM
great site, for the aussie expat- wunofdem/Tuesday, 06 July 2004 -over there suggesting that".....(maybe this forum should explore similar cases of abuse closer to home?)", well here it is bro. <|>
"How serious is child abuse in Australia? Child abuse is a serious problem. The latest statistics show that a child is reported abused or neglected every two and a half minutes in Australia. In 2002/03 there were almost 200,000 reported cases of child abuse (Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2004). 40,000 of these children were proven to be harmed (substantiated reports). View Child Protection Australia 2002-03 Reporthttp://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/index.cfm/title/9771 & http://www.napcan.org.au/What_is_Child_Abuse/what_is_child_abuse.html
lets see you up on yer soapbox over that lot
Name: c.c.ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 13 July 2004
Time: 02:03:48 PM
Les salutations Jacques, viennent et visitent - cette île est paradis trouvé !
Name: Jacques Pappier
Email: jacpap@lamoour.fr
Country: France
Date: Tuesday, 13 July 2004
Time: 09:18:42 AM
Île De la Norfolk De Salutations! C'est un emplacement intéressant. Les gens semblent intéressants également. Bye pour maintenant
Name: Pamela
Email: pam.nf
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 12 July 2004
Time: 04:08:46 PM
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
Name: Friend of NI
Email: @Home
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 11 July 2004
Time: 12:27:33 PM
Some who post on this site are carrying on like idiots. Lets get down to some serious debate on locate issues and what can be done to save Norfolk from destruction by those who want it all at a great cost to the general population. There are serious problems over there that need attention .... but who cares? Actually many of us do really care what happens to that beautiful island and its population. You live in paradise so don't destroy it, try and work together for the survival of a wonderful community.
Name: chortle
Email: chortle@schadenfreude.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 09 July 2004
Time: 02:08:44 PM
g'moon - 11/10 : wunofdim,none etc. - 0/10 yet again sigh
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Isle Of Man
Date: Friday, 09 July 2004
Time: 12:35:59 PM
'Wunofdem'/'none': (aka: rankeu/original norfolk friend/ditzy/msteen.44/whatever & N/A)
Infantile name calling & inchoate hissy-fit rage, is not a substitute for reasoned argument; it's the most sincere & abject form of intellectual capitulation.
Thank you for conceding defeat, albeit ungraciously.
However, having magnanimously accepted your grovelling surrender, let me also say this:
IF any of the indicted males (of Pitcairner-Descent or otherwise) is found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, on the one or two (depending on which news source one reads) charges of "indecent assault" against a juvenile girl; & that girl was a child below the age of puberty at the time of the alleged offence; then - I believe - that male should be incarcerated in New Zealand, where he can receive proper psychiatric therapy & rehabilitation.
_____cf.________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I repeat:
Wunofdem: as well as being short on brains & integrity, you obviously lack any sense of irony ...a trio of deficits commonly known as an "arsehole's hat-trick".
cf.also: http://nisdv.bravehost.com/imagineering_pitcairn.html
Name: still nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 July 2004
Time: 09:21:32 PM
A rape on Pitcairn as with anywhere is unacceptable. However beyond the original charge of rape the authorities have said very little so most of what is being insinuated is based on journalists conjecture and we have seen plenty of that on Norfolk the last weeks, months and years. Beyond that, it is worth remembering that your grandparents lived in a time when people were being married and having children at 14 years of age. We aren't in much of a position to judge them any more than we are our Pitcairn brothers; different times, different cultures. Lets hope the authorities are sensitive to this, that justice is served and Pitcairners don't have to answer to you or I.
Name: N/A
Email: wes.a@ni.net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 July 2004
Time: 09:19:56 PM
Listen twat, no one is accusing anyone of being guilty of anything or are your powers of comprehension zero. An victim has a right to complain to authorities, and they in turn have a right and a duty to investigate, not just for the sake of the victim but also the accused. Understand halfwit. Are you actually residing in a cell yourself??? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands to reinvent yourself and cut and paste a lot of useless information. Aggression gets you no where in this life buddy, as I'm sure you have already discovered!
Name: G'moon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 July 2004
Time: 05:57:03 PM
Wunofdem: as well as being short on brains & integrity, you obviously lack any sense of irony ...a trio of deficits commonly known as an "arsehole's hat-trick".
I'm hearing from outsider blow-ins such as yourself & 'none', that the indicted Pitcairner males are guilty as charged; sans the troublesome time & effort of due-process in a properly constituted court of law.
Who the Hell are you & 'none' to set yourselves up as judge, jury & executioners of character, in this matter?
As for: "Your words seem to support such activity." - do you have sufficient spine to quote me the particular words you refer to ...or are you going to do a jellyback-'none' & scuttle back under your rock???
******************************************************************************************************************************** I repeat:
'Wunofdem': You skate on thin ice with hot blades my friend. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "(assuming they are guilty)": Your throwaway parenthetical rider, is, IN POINT OF FACT, AND BLACK LETTER LAW the absolute *_gist_* of the issue. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
THE cardinal principle of Western Jurisprudence in general - & the British legal tradition in particular - is: INNOCENT TILL *_PROVEN_* GUILTY.
I take it from your alias that you're not one of 'ucklun' ...I would therefore advise *_extreme_* prudence in retailing the kinds of indictments & inferences you're making under the 'cowards camouflage', of a pseudonym.
My understanding is that there are - at most - *_two_* indictments of unspecified "indecent assault" against a minor (viz. a female, or females, under the age of sixteen).
Whilst these indictments would be, INDUBITABLY, deplorable; IF proven to have foundation, by a court of law ...DO NOT have the bare-faced effrontery to presume to come in here & suggest to me - or any one else for that matter - that "underage sex" does not take place in each & every country on the planet ...& has done so - rampantly - ever since the evolutionary advent of 'sexual' reproduction.
I wonder if you're as keen to share with us the details of your OWN sexual rap-sheet 'Wunofdem'; as you appear to be in *_speculating_* on the details of others???
Name: Wunofdem
Email: nfp
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 July 2004
Time: 02:44:53 PM
G'moon, your friend I'm not, ucklun I'm not, years on NI I have. In the case of 'alleged' sexual assaults on Pitcairn you seem very sensitive and jingoistic. Have we struck a nerve here, your cool demeanor has suddenly left you. Your words seem to support such activity.
Re the Post Office job, I guess the change has to start somewhere, but in reality there wouldn't be many that haven't been the beneficiary of similar treatment in the past. If you are going to throw rocks........
Name: Les
Email: ycd@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 July 2004
Time: 09:09:10 AM
Well written Foota Larn and all others with similar input. I couldn't word it better. Nothing against the guy who got the job but let's face it, it is rather pointed and the fact of the matter and situation is this - extra workload will be imposed on the other staff members for the very obvious reasons. Is this fair or a waste of money? Or parhaps we will see more active input by the manager?????????
Name: FootaLarn
Email: footalarn.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 July 2004
Time: 08:36:09 AM
I have copied this over form the Admin Guestbook.
Well done to those who have commented on the outrageous act of nepotism. It sticks out like dogs balls that nepotism is very much alive and well in Admin. How strange! All the crap about CEO's making changes etc and make the service a fairer place to work. Like for instance - that Middleton bloke - he's been here 5 minutes and has gone to Kiwi for a wedding!! I mean what work standards does that set?? "oh we'll just come to Norfolk to work and cost the public purse loads of money" who cares?? They are all the same. Bloody amazing - Norfolk is supposed to be broke and look at all the jobs recently created. What a damn laughing matter the CEO and all the other "big wigs" are making of us and our island. Come on Norfolk Islanders............stand up and be counted. It is time to put a stop to all this money and time wasting contributed by those at the top. Norfolk was, and is, better off without any of them.
Name: Friend of NI
Email: @Home
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 July 2004
Time: 11:09:53 PM
Seems things never change on NI ... blood is thicker than water so they say - nepotism is rife. Maybe a revolt would sort out the corruption. Call a public meeting and state your case!!!!!
Name:
Email: home.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 July 2004
Time: 07:57:56 PM
FullName: islander& proud of it email: home.com Date: 7/7/04
Comments
re : post office job Just to add to the last persons comments , one of the people who applied for the position already holds a position at the post office ,who has more than met the critiria and was denied the job. But what is the use in them kicking up a fuss , it wont change the fact that , its not what you know , but who you know. The Administration needs to take a long hard look at themselves , is it the whole of the community of Norfolk that they put first , or just that of their family pockets.?
Name: G'moon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 July 2004
Time: 07:51:51 PM
gee 'none' seeing you're such an omniscient judge, jury & executioner - you must also be able to tell us who Janelle's killer is
Name: N/A
Email: wes.a@ni.net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 July 2004
Time: 07:18:47 PM
The 'expert' on everything strikes again!. Did it ever cross your mind, you tosser, that perhaps these young people involved were unwilling to engage in this activity, and have every right to lay a complaint! They are young people from Pitcairn and they have the same rights as anyone else. Crawl back under your rock. Are you one of 'uklun'? I very much doubt it!
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Wednesday, 07 July 2004
Time: 05:57:58 PM
'Wunofdem': You skate on thin ice with hot blades my friend. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "(assuming they are guilty)": Your throwaway parenthetical rider, is, IN POINT OF FACT, AND BLACK LETTER LAW the absolute *_gist_* of the issue. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
THE cardinal principle of Western Jurisprudence in general - & the British legal tradition in particular - is: INNOCENT TILL *_PROVEN_* GUILTY.
I take it from your alias that you're not one of 'ucklun' ...I would therefore advise *_extreme_* prudence in retailing the kinds of indictments & inferences you're making under the 'cowards camouflage', of a pseudonym.
My understanding is that there are - at most - *_two_* indictments of unspecified "indecent assault" against a minor (viz. a female, or females, under the age of sixteen).
Whilst these indictments would be, INDUBITABLY, deplorable; IF proven to have foundation, by a court of law ...DO NOT have the bare-faced effrontery to presume to come in here & suggest to me - or any one else for that matter - that "underage sex" does not take place in each & every country on the planet ...& has done so - rampantly - ever since the evolutionary advent of 'sexual' reproduction.
I wonder if you're as keen to share with us the details of your OWN sexual rap-sheet 'Wunofdem'; as you appear to be in *_speculating_* on the details of others???
Name: Astonished
Email: ast@onished.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 07 July 2004
Time: 09:19:17 AM
I thought I had better copy this off the Admin guest book for everyone to see. Let's hope some questions are asked???? but WE won't hold our breathe will we??
Well let's hope all those who missed out on the Post Office job will kick up a fuss and ask questions as to why a brother of the manager got the job??? come on guys - this is so ONE SIDED. Far out - when you go in the post office and the boss comes out and sees heaps of people waiting, he is like a sanke going back to its den and it is so obvious he doesn't want to help. What hope do we the PUBLIC have. This sux!!
Name: wunofdem
Email: justiceforkids@pitcairn.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 July 2004
Time: 11:32:57 PM
Grabamoon, the situation on Pitcairn sounds ridiculous like 'cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer', BUT its more important that justice prevails. At least in this case (assuming they are guilty), the scumbags who perpetrated these crimes on innocent children will do 'time'. NO AMOUNT OF JAIL TIME CAN GIVE THESE CHILDREN BACK THEIR INNOCENT CHILDHOOD, THE SCARS THEY BEAR FOR LIFE SHOULD BE INFLICTED ON THEIR ABUSERS. Let's hope a similar fate befalls Janelle Patton's killer.................(maybe this forum should explore similar cases of abuse closer to home?)
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Reunion
Date: Tuesday, 06 July 2004
Time: 02:02:13 PM
Given the - frankly unbelieveable - news story breaking at:
http://nisdv.bravehost.com/BREAKING_NEWS.html
...may I humbly suggest to any of our kinfolk from Pitcairn who may be reading this, that they consider doing a contra deal with Sunshine Homes http://www.sunshinehomes.co.nz/ (who've already provided a "Prison Wing" to Pitcairn) to build a series of "Coco Chanel Penthouses, Hotel Ritz, Ile De Pitcairn, Suites: '0' to '21', Adamstown Heights"; & make hay whilst the judicial Sun is shining.
I would suggest faithfully modelling the mooted 'Hotel Ritz Ile De Pitcairn, Adamstown Heights', upon the world's most expensive lodgings as per:
'World's most expensive hotel' takes shape in Rioja: http://www.decanter.com/news/56004.html
Name: Alicia
Email: Alicia@Wonderland
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 July 2004
Time: 01:00:32 PM
good point foota larn- es Jack Adams usea tull "never let the Sun go down on your anger"
in later years Max Ehrmann actually revised "Things To Be Desired" as follows-
Go angrily amid the pollution and waste - taking a long-term environmental view, surrendering the things of materialism, as necessary.
As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with the environment. Live your life quietly and cleanly; and listen to Nature, even the plants and animals, for they too have their story.
Avoid lazy and wasteful persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with Nature, you should become plain and humble; for always there will be greater wonders than humans. Enjoy your planting as well as your harvesting.
Exercise caution in your population growth; for the world has limited resources. Never be careless about growth; for in spite of all economies of scale it is as dangerous as the bomb.
Keep interested in your own community, however small; for it can change and become a threat to the environment over time. But let this not blind you to what freedoms there are; all responsible persons must strive for ecological living, and remember what savings there are in recycling.
Obtain knowledge of survival to aid you in ecological living; and do not distress yourself with reminiscing; the world must change due to our pollution and overpopulation. Beyond a wholesome discipline, always be gentle with Nature.
Humans are only animals, especially with no natural right of superiority. We are but one species among many, no more than the trees and the animals - they have an equal right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, there is no doubt that humans have not been living as they should.
Therefore be at peace with Nature, whatever you conceive it to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations in our threatened environment keep waste to a minimum, since everywhere life is under threat.
Without all our wars, pollution and overpopulation it could again be a beautiful world. Be ecological. Sacrifice for the future.
Name: Foota Larn
Email: footalarn.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 09:01:17 PM
Hey Yorlye - Chill Out - Life too Short. Jess Stop read dae fer one mennett. Desiderata
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
--- Max Ehrmann, 1927
Name: Foota Larn
Email: footalarn.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 09:01:15 PM
Hey Yorlye - Chill Out - Life too Short. Jess Stop read dae fer one mennett. Desiderata
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
--- Max Ehrmann, 1927
Name: Foota Larn
Email: footalarn.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 09:01:14 PM
Hey Yorlye - Chill Out - Life too Short. Jess Stop read dae fer one mennett. Desiderata
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
--- Max Ehrmann, 1927
Name: Foota Larn
Email: footalarn.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 09:01:09 PM
Hey Yorlye - Chill Out - Life too Short. Jess Stop read dae fer one mennett. Desiderata
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
--- Max Ehrmann, 1927
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 05:44:20 PM
Just a gentle reminder to all concerned that this Island was "vested in perpetuity" to the Pitcairn Islanders AND THEIR DESCENDANTS ...regardless of whether they were delivered "on Island" or otherwise ...albeit I WAS born on Island; I have it on good authority that I was conceived offshore under very satisfactory circumstances. Not only that, but my Island-born biological father was "orn ar shep g'doun bihien Phelup" ...I wonder if that makes me any less of a "real" Islander, as seems to be being implied, of Nor Larnen?
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 03:39:52 PM
Actually, seeing as you know who I am and apparently follow all of my posts, you will know that I am one of the very few people to use my real name when I feel it is the correct thing to do considering the subject. In flushing a dirty rat out of it's hole it is hardly worthwhile, esp. as you appear to have all the traits of the type of person who would perhaps resort to arson or or some such for revenge. How sad for you that my submissions are monotonous, perhaps you with your can-see-clearly-now view will start to offer insights beyond cowardly sledging people? I would suggest you try with your next submission.
Name: Observant Observer
Email: we_can_see_clearly_now@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 02:33:59 PM
Nor Larnen - This is a a classic example of the saying "the pot calling the kettle black" Oh but of course not being born here, or spent much of your time here, you wouldn't know what it means which is such a shame for you. You see, when one scans through this forum past and present, it is very clear to see that a large majority of the entries are from you!! It is monotonous. You be a MAN and sign your name, and I will sign mine OKAY?
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 12:28:44 PM
Deliverence, Thanks to Observant observer we have a prime example and answer as to why you won't see me downtown and why so many good people have no desire to serve on the Assembly. Many have said that the bane of Norfolk is it's rumour mongering, what I like about this forum is that we can strike back! From time to time one of them pops their head up in here and gets it chopped off. Gutless Wonder, do you really believe living on Norfolk gives you the right to slander people in here because you apparently "know"? Signing your name is the only way for us to verify whether you do know. However I say regardless it is wrong for you to publicly slander them and moreso it is cowardly to do so without signing your name.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 12:18:07 PM
"The good of the people must be the great purpose of government. By the laws of nature and of reason, the governors are invested with power to that end. And the greatest good of the people is liberty. It is to the state what health is to the individual." (M.Diderot - from 'L'Encyclopédie': published between 1751 and 1772 in 17 volumes of text and 11 volumes of engravings)
We need community leaders on Norfolk who can carry forward the strong clear vision of the people who founded this community - both Tahitian ( & on this point PLEASE read http://www.historyofmilitary.com/Pitcairn_Island_Life_and_Death_in_Eden_1859284310.html ) & British ...we need a dozen or so Nor Larnens/Es Trues/Refusals et.al. 'doun'a toun' to form a collegiate vanguard (bouyed-up by an ethos of "participatory democracy" infusing the whole polity) to guide this community through the tough times ahead.
Lets please build each other up - not tear each other down. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________cf.____________ "We are a free people; and now you have planted in our country the title deeds of our future slavery. You are neither god nor demon; who are you, then, to make slaves? Orou! You understand the language of these men, tell us all, as you have told me, what they have written on this sheet of metal: 'This country is ours.' This country yours? And why? Because you have walked thereon? If a Tahitian landed one day on your shores, and scratched on one of your rocks or on the bark of your trees: 'This country belongs to the people of Tahiti' - what would you think?"
Oratory of the Tahitian 'Kahuna' quoted in: 'Supplement au Voyage de Bougainville', (in which Diderot also indicted slavery and colonialism)
Name: Darlene Buffett - (Darls or Dar Bizziebee)
Email: private.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 08:48:56 AM
To Observant Observer, Nor Larnen, One of Ucklun and all other concerned persons
It would be appreciated if Colin’s resignation from the Dental clinic could be left off this forum. Colin’s resignation was more than justified, he wrote a letter to the people of Norfolk Island through the local paper and therefore is not necessary to have it all discussed through this site. Our phone number is on the book, we are approachable people, and rather than guessing, wondering, surmising or whatever, why not pick up the phone and ring us to find out why the resignation took place. Like it said – it was justified and already a number of people know why. So please phone us rather than use this forum. Thank you. (:
Name: Observant Observer
Email: we_can_see_clearly@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 05 July 2004
Time: 08:29:06 AM
Nor Larnen - Eff I ess gutless wonder....den wutts you? You aren't even living on this island so before you think you know it all - think again. It is not you who lives here hearing how unhappy some staff in their workplace and what's more NO NAMES were mentioned except by you - so given the fact you are off-shore how about minding your own P's & Q's. You know nothing about what goes on over here - you only think you know.
Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 04 July 2004
Time: 06:06:05 PM
Friend, I would suggest you are only finding out that we are like people the world over and always have been. Selfishness and greed are a human affliction that we have never been immune to on Norfolk Island. Case in point I hope that Colin will speak out and clarify his reason for resigning. He has had a tough time of it over these last few years and there are those who have been sharpening their knives waiting for their chance. Just as there is already one gutless wonder putting the knife into Mr McCowan without signing their name.
Name: FRIEND OF NI
Email: @Home
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 04 July 2004
Time: 01:03:10 AM
Reading all the entries in this Forum of recent times, there seems to be such discontent within the Norfolk community. What a price has been paid for advancement. There seems to be so much bitterness expressed at the way the island is being run. If the person responsible for Janelle's murder stays silent - what then for Norfolk? There will never be that trustful and open way of life ever again.
Name: Observant Observer
Email: we_can_see_clearly@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 03 July 2004
Time: 08:58:24 PM
I agree with the previous entry. A possible suggestion is this. Perhaps if "someone" in the top seat concentrated on his job and his staff more and spent less time worrying about the sale of his business and his golf - he might find his staff might stay in their jobs longer. Isn't there some rule about "conflict of interest"?? Quite obviously not.
Name: One of Ucklun
Email: howsad.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 03 July 2004
Time: 07:23:13 PM
HOW SAD to read we have lost the best dentist this island has EVER seen. Someone or some persons need to be questioned over this incident as it is happening FAR TOO OFTEN that we, the community lose people such as Colin with his fantastic expertise. Why is it the Hospital can't hold good staff?? One cannot help but wonder if any of this resignations has anything to do with management???? as after all, look at the doctors we have lost, dentists and excellent nurses. Thanks for all you have done for me and mine Colin - you will be missed and like I said.....SOMEONE should be questioned about your resignation. See to have good staff and to keep good staff - you have to have GOOD MANAGEMENT. It is as simple as that.
Name: Congratulations
Email: welldone.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 03 July 2004
Time: 07:13:57 PM
On a different note - CONGRATULATIONS to Alma Davidson for her brilliant letter to the Editor in today's Norfolk Island paper. WOW - what intellect!! We need more people like Alma who are prepared to "put the money where the mouth". It is also people like Alma that we need in our Assembly running our affairs. This lady is very well educated, comes from a very highly respected Norfolk Island family and is one of the best ambassadors this island could ask for. Alma - thank you for speaking out for all of us.
Name: deliverance
Email: .nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 03 July 2004
Time: 06:59:07 PM
Nor Larnen, I am serious, I hope you are going to run for Assembly. I feel we would be in good hands
Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 03 July 2004
Time: 05:12:27 PM
Deliverance, Even more difficult to "come to grips" with it when we consider that for much for what happens to and on Norfolk we have a very tangible and real influence/choice. I believe the resident population is still within our capacity and communications are infact only getting cheaper, due to the www and satellite technology. For me I believe the real changes are socially and culturally, we are changing as a people. Our social habits within our families and the community at large is all changing and unfortunately that really means we are becoming "Ossified". We are more driven by the dollar both out of necessity to survive in the market driven economy (housing prices that have doubled in the last 8 years) that we have created and through our changing values (annual trips to the mainland/s, DC shoes for our kids etc.). As for being able to take care of ourselves, do you really believe that the 35,000 odd tourists that come to our island paradise each year don't generate enough income for us to continue to be economically viable? I don't believe we have let progress pass us by, what we have failed to do is effectively manage the progress. The progress that we see outside of Norfolk is blind and only profit driven, as our sagacious Grabamoon quoted a while back, this is the culture that will be found at the end of history. I don't believe we can bargain with this mentality and win, the Lightfoots of the world make that very plain each time they open their mouths. Due to Norfolks very limited resources if we follow that path we will arrive at that end of history before anyone else. As we are a seperate entity, we must take ALL of the blame for the situation we find ourselves in. Looking at the history of our people we have pretty much always been taken advantage of. What lessons are we learning?
Name: deliverance
Email: .nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 03 July 2004
Time: 01:05:57 PM
Nor Larnen, I hear what you say and it is hard to come to grips with things that make us sad. Life on Norfolk is very different today than back a while. There wasn't the population we have now and along with that comes need for more and better roads, more communication brings more expense. Our day to day living has changed a lot. I would like nothing more than for us to be able to take care of ourselves but in all honesty I can't see that happening. I wonder if the major problem is that we let progress pass us by in some ways without thinking of the cost involved. My love for my home never wavers in good times or bad but my concern is that we leave a good and prosperous place for future generations. if we have to bargain a bit then so be it. Thats not giving in or giving up, that is putting the good of our future foremost. I understand the frustration felt but we must take some of the blame for the situation we find ourselves in.
Name: Es True
Email: estrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 July 2004
Time: 01:34:58 PM
SENATOR ROSS LIGHTFOOT: I think it has everything to do with not being able to solve it. The evidence we've been given, without names, clearly points to a male and clearly points to an islander. And that comes from Norfolk islanders of Pitcairn descent and from the police. The committee's report published last Christmas was largely ignored on the mainland but it's a scathing indictment of how federal parliamentarians see life operating on Norfolk under the peaceful veneer.
Full Text is available Here <http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1586.asp>
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 July 2004
Time: 11:49:13 AM
Deliverence, Fus orf whuse fe tull car be es tourist? car do fe rule out anibodi. Es fe Norfolk car do et alone, whathing wi bi do fe mussa 150 years? En es fe dar JSC, es true gut some gude en der fe ucklan. But nor tek wun expert fe see dem gut dems agenda en ef you mes de wae wi bin usea be waal dem onie gwen tek uklan ewen farther awea. I bin larna dea before NORFOLK IS NOT AUSTRALIA, WE ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND SEPERATE ENTITY.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 July 2004
Time: 11:34:54 AM
Nothing against 'Fradey', but full credit to 'Deliverance' for calling a spade a spade; maybe the time has come for orl ucklun to do some serious soul-searching.
Where there's smoke, there's fire of some sort. All of these reports indicating a "climate of intimidation", may not be totally right - but not totally wrong, either.
If Norfolk is indeed a "close community, not a closed community" as indicated by 'Es True'; then surely, the type of problems flagged by the phrase "si weay wi se cum yorle" can be openly discussed, debated & resolved ...by the whole community.
Name: Friend of NI
Email: @home
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 08:19:26 PM
Well done Gordie Hancherow & Pip Reeves for being great spokeswomen for Norfolk Island and giving support to those good locals (the innocent) named in the recent inquest because of association with Janelle. Norfolk needs gals like you to speak out on behalf of the people who are suffering from this who know in their hearts they are innocent but yet their names and lives have been shattered. Perhaps drugs or steriods played a part in this awful murder or maybe some one has a mental condition which has not been diagnosed, they need to be caught before another tragedy happens - lets hope it never does. To do that much damage in a frenzied attack dem must be mad- mad- mad- mad in dems head.
Name: deliverence
Email: .nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 07:08:53 PM
Fradey I am home , and I would say I was born a good many years before you. Truth is, someone was murdered. Do we really think it is a tourist ? The anger felt by anyone with any compassion at all should be directed toward the killer. It is the one who by not owning up casts suspicion on innocent people. Senators come and go and they have to justify their existance somehow, usually at the expense of someone else. What goes around comes around but I still think their was a lot of truth in the standing committee report, not all but some and I am not afraid to face up to fair criticism. I love my island home and I know things can't stay the same but look at us, far to many vehicles for our size, the cost of living sky high and if we are honest we can't afford to go it alone because we just haven't got the money. So called pranks which is really petty crime needs to be dealt with. I miss the way we used to be. When it is all said and done my rock is probably just down the road from yours, it is just that mine is probably 30 years older. Silly talk like veiled threats shoud stay around the table
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 03:52:51 PM
"Tasmanian Aborigines have been described as being retrogressive; that is, they were going backwards in a cultural sense. They were never a civilisation - that is a misnomer ...No Aborigines in Australia prior to white settlement had ever formed a civilised community." "
Senator Ross Lightfoot: maiden speech, West Australian Legislative Council June 23, 1993.
The *_highly civilized_* europeans - of Senator Lightfoots ilk -of course, 'retrogressed' them right out of existence, just as they did Thylacines ...funny thing, 'civilization'.
(Just as an aside, the magnificent site where Fletcher Christian planted Tasmania's first apple trees in 1788 at Adventure Bay, Bruny Island, is well worth a visit.)
I would suggest the the REAL issue is not the prevalence of - shall we say politely - 'eccentric reactionaries', within the australian political spectrum, such as Lightfoot, Tuckey & co. ...but WHY they are being appointed by the Canberra Tories to positions of power over Norfolk.
Perhaps this is an issue our own political representatives may wish to canvass with Canberra's man in Kingston.
Here's what Senator Lightfoot actually said:
"I'm told by one of the police officers that they're aware of the (identity of the) killer," Mr Lightfoot told Nine.
"But they have insufficient evidence to arrest him."
Perhaps it's about time the AFP placed Senator Lightfoot in the Dock. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________cf._____ Racial slurs are just the beginning http://www.crikey.com.au/whistleblower/2002/12/05-lightfootdec5.html
Lightfoot calls off race slur appeal http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/free/callsoff.htm
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: nfp.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 01:59:06 PM
Sorry yorlye - dem links nor work so hettae dar story.
Police to question MP over murder By Martin Chulov July 01, 2004 A LIBERAL senator has angered the coroner who investigated the murder of Norfolk Island hotel worker Janelle Patton and may be interviewed by police after claiming her killer was known to them.
It is understood ACT coroner Ron Cahill considered earlier this week reopening the inquest he held last month into 29-year-old Patton's murder on Easter Sunday 2002 after the claim made by Ross Lightfoot over the weekend.
Senator Lightfoot, chairman of the parliamentary territories committee, said that police believed the killer was a male and resident of Norfolk Island.
The claim has mystified the Australian Federal Police which investigated the killings, with no officer confirming they had had such a discussion.
Senator Lightfoot could not be reached last night.
Mr Cahill has since told officials he did not intend to take the matter further, but the AFP was yesterday considering whether to seek an interview.
To do so they would need to first make an approach to the President of the Senate.
Detectives who investigated the gruesome killing, the only murder on the island in its 148-year history, had drawn up a list of 16 people of interest. However, they had not publicly said whether they were focusing more closely on one or more individuals.
Patton's body was found wrapped in plastic in a park. She had been working on the island for about two years.
Name: Estrue
Email: EsTrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 01:56:42 PM
Even Better check out Lightfoot antics in here
<http://www.google.com.au/search?filter=0&q=lightfoot&sa=Search&sitesearch=crikey.com.au&num=100>
Name: D.B.B
Email: nfp.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 01:55:48 PM
Not sure why the link didn't work. Try this one http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10005282%255E2702,00.html
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: nfp.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 08:34:17 AM
Woohoo - some excellent entries here. Check out this link for some juicy news about Lightfoot.
POLICE to question MP over murder The Australian - Australia A LIBERAL senator has angered the coroner who investigated the murder of Norfolk Island hotel worker Janelle Patton and may be interviewed by police after ... <http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10005282%255E2702,00.html> See all stories on this topic: <http://news.google.com/news?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&persist=1&num=30&hl=en&client=google&newsclusterurl=http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10005282%25255E2702,00.html>
Name: Fradey Suff
Email: B@B@B@B
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 July 2004
Time: 08:30:30 AM
Deliverence - Why not go back to where you have come from??? The beauty is - THIS IS MY HOME. I WAS BORN HERE. I have not bought my way to this island like many have done. SO... if you bugger off - I'll go back under my rock!
Name: Friend of NI
Email: @home
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 June 2004
Time: 11:46:24 PM
I agree Senator Lightfoot was grandstanding - there is a Federal election coming in the very near future and he wanted to get his face on Television. Yes there has been a terrible murder and it would be great if someone was charged with the offence so the innocent can begin to get their lives back again. It is my hope that those named "persons of interest" who are innocent will be given a fair go by all on NI and elsewhere. Their lives are also shattered by this terrible murder and our thoughts and prayers are with them. The guilty will never sleep in peace - they will be haunted till death.
Name: big suff
Email: a@2
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 June 2004
Time: 07:58:22 PM
If you think thats the truth, then you are obviously not for norfolks rights. What are we going to do?, let them get away with saying that crap and get walked over again. its about time us norfolk islanders started sticking up for our rights and not put up with their crap and their so called "advice"
Name: deliverence
Email: .nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 June 2004
Time: 06:36:00 PM
Does the truth hurt ? If you carry on like backwoods hicks you are treated as such. Grow up, threats like yours are stupid and what gives us all a bad name. Pip was right, our issues are with Canberra not Australia as a whole. Get back under your rock Fradey
Name: Fradey Suff
Email: B@B@B@B
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 June 2004
Time: 05:49:48 PM
I forgot the mention that these are the type of people or should I say "KNOW IT ALLS" we have delving into our affairs. These people wouldn't know anything about our island, the people or our cultures. They just sit on the butts and wave their merry hands around thinking they can solve the worlds problems. What a joke!! Australia have got more problems that what they can poke a stick at. Maybe Norfolk Islanders should start Joint Standing Committee investigations into Lightfoot and his band of merry men. They are a JOKE. A bloody big JOKE!
Name: Fradey Suff
Email: B@B@B@B
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 June 2004
Time: 05:44:21 PM
Yes - If I was him that P R I C K Hogg - I would keep their distance from Norfolk Island in case they become headlines as well. The both of them should have their ARSES kicked for saying such derogatory comments. They both should be made to prove what they said. As far as heaps of us islanders are concerned - they are worse than SCUM. They have the right surnames (Lighfoot = "fairy" and Hogg = "Pig")
Name: BIG SUFF
Email: A@A
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 June 2004
Time: 12:37:39 PM
HAS ANYONE GOT ANYTHING TO SAY ON WHAT THAT EDIOT (SENATOR LIGHTFOOT) HAD TO SAY ON THE MURDER?
Name: Common Thread
Email: common@thread
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 June 2004
Time: 06:08:23 PM
Drug-induced killing sprees
http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/antidepressant_information.htm
Name: Common Thread
Email: common@thread.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 June 2004
Time: 05:29:39 PM
http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/media/zoloft/Australian%20Zoloft%20Ruling.htm
"Seemingly random scenes in society’s patchwork quilt of senseless violence contain a common thread..."
http://violence.freedommag.org/page02.htm
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 24 June 2004
Time: 02:49:42 PM
Whut-a-wae you Grarbamoon,
That is an interesting bit of data concerning Isaac Martin. He certainly died in a better place than where he was born as Philly is an ugly place these days! Although I suppose it was not so bad in the Benjamin Franklin years!
I suppose America would still be British if it were not for French meddling. I think the French have been well paid back though as my grandfather was one of two survivers in his unit from the German gas attacks in the Muesse-Argonne Forest. I never met him.
Thanks for the "Mariners of the American Revolution" link as well as the catagorized URL of all American dialects.
Take Care,
Damn Yank...Paul...whatever...
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 June 2004
Time: 12:42:41 PM
Paul, perhaps Isaac Martin (b.Philadelphia,d.Pitcairn) left more of a legacy than he's usually credited with.
It's a great pity that the older, richer & deeper stratas of American regional history (www.geocities.com/Broadway/1906/dialects.html) are marginalized, in the populist crap Hollywood presents to the rest of the world.
cf. 'Mariners of the American Revolution', Marion and Jack Kaminkow (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc., 1993) Includes the Home Office Record of Isaac Martin and the Jason.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 23 June 2004
Time: 03:36:51 PM
Se Grarba'muun,
I am not certain whether you have ever heard O' the Elizabethan dialect that is dying in the eastern shore O' Virginia and Maryland as well as the outer banks O' North Carolina, but it is almost gone...forever...it is SO CLOSE to Norfolk minus the Tahitian influence!
I would not think O' journeying to yer' isle on anyone else's terms than Norfolk's! I must learn it before I get there. One can easily be a "tourist" anywhere. I come to learn from your island and to bring what I learn back to the bickering that persists over many O' our issues on my island. We share fishing in common...O' a different kind! :)
I have no clue as to your situation being away from your island, but we had to BUY our way back to ours after many generations O' being away. So many shoebees have already altered the way things used to be. Thank God the Government protects Assateague Island's virgin Atlantic seacoast from commercialization and thank God for our wild horses!
I am totally amazed that you mentioned pre-Cooke Norfolk Island as I am fascinated with any native culture that might have pre-existed before the European settlements. Thank you for the link that you provided! :)
Anyway, I am here to learn and not to preach! Take care and be well.
TTY morla or whenever,
Damn Yank...Paul...whatever...
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 23 June 2004
Time: 03:34:47 PM
Se Grarba'muun,
I am not certain whether you have ever heard O' the Elizabethan dialect that is dying in the eastern shore O' Virginia and Maryland as well as the outer banks O' North Carolina, but it is almost gone...forever...it is SO CLOSE to Norfolk minus the Tahitian influence!
I would not think O' journeying to yer' isle on anyone else's terms than Norfolk's! I must learn it before I get there. One can easily be a "tourist" anywhere. I come to learn from your island and to bring what I learn back to the bickering that persists over many O' our issues on my island. We share fishing in common...O' a different kind! :)
I have no clue as to your situation being away from your island, but we had to BUY our way back to ours after many generations O' being away. So many shoebees have already altered the way things used to be. Thank God the Government protects Assateague Island's virgin Atlantic seacoast from commercialization and thank God for our wild horses!
I am totally amazed that you mentioned pre-Cooke Norfolk Island as I am fascinated with any native culture that might have pre-existed before the European settlements. Thank you for the link that you provided! :)
Anyway, I am here to learn and not to preach! Take care and be well.
TTY morla or whenever,
Damn Yank...Paul...whatever...
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 June 2004
Time: 01:01:47 PM
Yankee Paul: yu se du guud Brud ...as an 'Islander' yourself, I have no doubt you'll come to appreciate Norfolk's gentle charms. A great introduction to the pristine world which preceded european settlement can be found at: http://www.lanecc.edu/library/don/norfolk.htm#norfolk ...I look forward to catching up with you one day over a shot glass of moonshine & a bowl of hihi.
Es True: "What did bring me out was a desire to have this murder solved and thereby remove the blot from the Norfolk character." My sentiments exactly.
As to whether my critique of certain aspects of media coverage of this case constitutes "abuse" or fair comment, I'll leave it to others to judge.
I suspect a re-reading of what I've actually written re. the criminal investigation in question, could hardly be construed as "abuse" of the AFP.
Name: Es True
Email: estrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 June 2004
Time: 02:25:23 PM
Grarbamoon. With respect, perhaps you misconstrue what brought me out. What did bring me out was a desire to have this murder solved and thereby remove the blot from the Norfolk character. I repeat, attacks on journalists or AFP, will not solve this murder. If you also wish to solve this murder, give them information and assistance not abuse. Perhaps you could use your well documented research skills to achieve this.
As for the point and purpose of the "theatrics" of language and critique, I will leave these to the famous author who lives "out yenna", with whom I am sure you are well acquainted.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 22 June 2004
Time: 01:40:49 PM
Se Grarba'muun,
All ucklan gwen rummer et Second Sands en nawe Emily Bay or something to that effect! UmerOOlar Damn Yankean Norfolk...a new dialect! :)
All "Ol' Kentuck" was ooney part of Virginia wen de moonshine first itty...hehehe! Okay, we're working on it!
Tekk ett eesie!
Damn Yank, Paul, whuteva... :)
Name: n/a
Email: tellusanotherone@nf.
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 21 June 2004
Time: 09:12:01 PM
Yawn!
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 21 June 2004
Time: 05:58:02 PM
Paul/Damn Yankee: great to hear that you'll be visiting Norfolk soon - make sure you fit in a fishing trip to my favourite spot,'Second Sands', just around to the west of Bomboras. I'll be returning for the sesquicentenary in June '06, so we may not catch up this trip - but keep posting & I'm sure our paths will cross on Norfolk one of these days ...perhaps you could bring a bottle or three of the old Bourbon County moonshine; the finest distillation of American genius apart from Jazz.
'Es True': perhaps you misconstrue the point & purpose of the 'theatrics' of language & critique - after all, it brought ~you~ out to make some quite insightful commentary.
Name: ubetcha
Email: .nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 21 June 2004
Time: 04:03:12 PM
Es true you said it all. Serious memory recall and soul searching needs to be had. Let's do our very best to help bring this horrendous murder to a conclusion and maybe Janelle's family and the rest of us can move on. A small park of peace in her memory would be fitting and help the healing for everyone. As for the person or persons who did this dreadful crime, you will be caught in the end so give yourself up now. It will happen, you will be caught
Name: Es True
Email: estrue@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 21 June 2004
Time: 03:04:58 PM
It is true that some press coverage has suggested that "we all know what happened" and the closed community is hiding the truth. This is a close community, not a closed community. The over whelming desire of this close community is to get this matter closed by bringing the guilty to justice.
There is also much comment on the quality of investigation by the AFP. I hope that everyone carefully reads what has been officially released from the Coroners court.
In my humble opinion attacking the press for their coverage, or the AFP for their investigation will not provide a solution to this case.
In my humble opinion, doing this while flaunting a no doubt impressive knowledge of the English language does little more than demonstrate a serious superiority complex will not provide a solution to the case.
Think about motive, think about means, think about opportunity and think about forensic evidence. Think about the mentality required to carry out this violent act.
Come on Norfolk the answers are here.
Name: TheTruth
Email: neverinthefieldofhumanconflict@m15.co.uk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 18 June 2004
Time: 12:26:25 AM
Yes, Stephen (or anyone else for that matter), the original question remains unanswered. I for one, would appreciate some REAL investigative journalism.
Name: Se Grarba'muun (full name)
Email: tilting_at_windmills_@_hoisting_on_petards
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Thursday, 17 June 2004
Time: 05:55:18 PM
Oh Dear: 'PROJECTION' as well as 'narcissistic mortification' ...we have struck a nerve - or should that be, 'nervous wreck'. The preceding petulant hissy-fit is more becoming of a ditzy gossip-columnist for the Sun Herald (Stephen is wedlocked to 'Candy' Sutton), than a cool & judicious Police & Court Reporter; the average 'broadsheet' consuming public, would think.
Perhaps it's time to consider a career-change to schlocky pulp fiction Stephen ...never would a vocational segue be so smooth.
And by the way, you still haven't answered the original question.
Name: less interested
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 17 June 2004
Time: 04:05:23 PM
Mea culpa? Perhaps silence could also indicate boredom with Grabamoon's ideological poleaxing and ill-informed rantings. They might carry more weight if he/she/it had the courage to put their name to their words, as Stephen Gibbs, ahem, rag vermin, did. Read the report, Grabamoon, and then decide whether the AFP did a good job.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 17 June 2004
Time: 04:02:08 PM
Grarbamoon:
Here-here! Great 16 June 2004, 07:14:40 PM posting! It would be an honor to meet you if you just might happen to be visiting your home in the June/July era of 2005!
Take care!
Paul (Damn Yank)
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Thursday, 17 June 2004
Time: 01:58:33 PM
Well you can say THAT again, just for the record, Mr Moore ...but let's *_underscore_* the point by leaving the last word to our blow-in 'vérmine de chiffon':
"The rag vermin were only reporting what went on in court."
TO WIT: The persons of interest in Patton's murder could be cast in a local, darker version of Twin Peaks, an Australian Gothic. This is not a real-life version of SeaChange; it's more like The Wicker Man.
In that 1973 film Edward Woodward played a mainland police sergeant and 40-year-old virgin lured to a tiny Scottish isle in search of a missing girl, with Christopher Lee as the patriarch of a pagan society that engages in ritual sex. As it becomes clear the missing girl was sacrificed to the gods, Sergeant Howse tells Lord Summerisle: "Your lordship seems strangely . . . unconcerned." The Christopher Lee character replies, "We do not commit murder here". _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ cf: "This case can only be solved by casting the cold hard clinical light of dispassionate analytical REASON on the remnant forensic MATERIAL EVIDENCE which is still out there somewhere, linking the crime-scene to the killer ...regressing to the kind of white-heat emotionalism of irrational bigotry, hatred & villification which emanates from (SMH police & court reporter) Stephen Gibbs' poisonous rant cited above, serves no one - but the killer/s."
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 17 June 2004
Time: 11:57:31 AM
Grabamoon, Es Mr Moore tull "we live in a fictitious time".
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: tomorrows_fishn_chip_wrapper
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Wednesday, 16 June 2004
Time: 07:14:40 PM
No mea culpa quite so eloquent, as silence, from a journalist.
The following quote, however, (from the Australasian Legal Information Institute) says it *_ALL_*:
The Australian Press Council has long asserted that the freedom of the press is above all the freedom of the people to be informed. the role and status of the press in society, and the purpose for giving it a special role, has been explained by the United States Supreme Court:
"In the First Amendment the founding fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfil its essential role in our democracy. the *_press was to serve the governed, not the governors._* The government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the government.[edit: ie.the Legislature makes the Laws; the Police enforce the Laws] The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. (New York Times v United States) (403 US 713 at 826)
Perhaps the inverse of the above noble principle applies to media coverage of Norfolk (eg. placing the entire Bounty-Descendant community in the Dock rather than the AFP) ...cos we're upside down from Washington. :~] __________________________________________________________________ref___________________________________________________________ http://austlii.law.uts.edu.au/au/other/media.OLD/594.html
http://www.smh.com.au/ethicscode/
http://www.jmk.su.se/global03/project/ethics/australia/aus2.htm
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: parochial@sleepy_hollow.nf
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2004
Time: 06:41:03 PM
'interested': given your opening three words & general tone of narcissistic mortification, I do believe you are in fact one of the very 'vérmine de chiffon' so rudely but accurately swatted by, Voltaire, I believe it was - in the first instance.
Either way, you're not a very convincing apologist for the shortcomings of the fourth-estate; which have been many & varied in the coverage of this tragic case.
I'll confine myself to just one criticism, because I'd like just one direct, straight answer ...if you don't mind:
Why, in all the reams of verbiage which have been expended on this baffling case; has there NOT been even ONE in-depth 'investigative-journalism' type analysis, of the way in which the *_AFP_* has handled this criminal inquiry from day one?
Esp. seeing that investigative journalism is indeed (as you so sagely remind us): " an essential part of a functioning democracy, but more importantly, a tool to try to solve this awful murder."
Name: interested
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2004
Time: 05:17:32 PM
For the record, persons of interest are regularly named in coronial inquests in mainland Australia. The "unfortunate lady" was splashed across The Australian because she agreed to be and had nothing to hide. The malicious dem tull she has been subjected to (from islanders before the "rag vermin" came to Norfolk) has shifted focus. Ask her. The rag vermin were only reporting what went on in court. As a public forum, the media are perfectly entitled to do this. It's an essential part of a functioning democracy, but more importantly, a tool to try to solve this awful murder. Reporting on something that occurs in a public forum isn't usually such a big deal. Much of the islander criticism of this is borne out of ignorance of criminal justice procedures. Causes of action in defamation would be hopeful at best. Conspiracy theories about the AFP only enhance outsider views of islander parochialism. That's sad for anyone who knows and loves Norfolk.
Name: Curious
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2004
Time: 01:16:26 AM
Does anyone over there know an Andrew David Buzzard from Attadale, Western Australia? Possibly using another alias?
Name: The Naming Shame
Email: nufka.nf
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2004
Time: 01:07:29 AM
Regarding comments from Refusal, I hope Grarbamoon has not taken her/his educated comments from the forum and I support her/his right to continue to offer opinions as this is what makes this forum what it is. Likewise to all the other contributors, especially those who are VERY ANGRY with the perpetrator(s) of this heinous crime, in my opinion your comments are very welcome, especially as it might prick the conscience of someone who can help solve this mystery. If Grarbamoon is the only 'educated' contributor, what about the recent contributor comments followed by a line from that genius songwriter and poet, Jim Morrison. I also hope the murderer is 'squirming like a toad'!
Name: Curious
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2004
Time: 01:05:08 AM
Does anyone over there know an Andrew David Buzzard from Attadale, Western Australia? Possibly using another alias?
Name: refusal
Email: ref.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 13 June 2004
Time: 12:48:20 PM
computers! The saying is "keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer". My feeling is this is what is happening with the police details, and when you are probably dealing with a psychopath then you need to be more clever than they.Time will flush them/it out, but there is one thing they do have and thats patience. As for the Pattons, I could never begin to imagine what it is like for them to live each day knowing that your daughter was slaughtered and brutalised, and to know that there is animosity from the island against them for media and wrong info world wide given. Its true, put your child there, grandchild, niece, nephew, sister brother, mother whoever. Are you feeling anything or is it too much to feel. 2 years is a long time for people to suffer and our community to continuely be reminded of this brutal murder. When fear grabs you and particularly those that may have more information on this, then fear does its work well. I agree, I also feel there is more to police reports than told, but as I am not in law enforcement I will not begin to critisise or judge what has been. Who is all the fingers pointing at? Time will tell and in the meantime, I am not living with my daughter who has been murdered. That burden for all those who have experienced a murder in their circle of life are living with this minute after minute. I have only had a close relative that has died and I know the impact grief had on me,this I unashamably say is far to heavy for me to consider. My deepest thoughts and sincerest hope for you Ron and Carol as I know you do read this sight hoping against hope that there may be another clue that will allow you to put your minds at rest and a life that somehow can begin again. Your mourning is long but justice and those that do have emotions and a heart, no matter the fear, will do the right thing. So Norfolk, how about more support and less violence as you can see that violence begets violence. Grabamoon you are so good with words I really enjoy the education and humor of your writing. Indeed, we could do with one as educated as yourself out of the forum. Maybe you are already.
Name: THE KILLER KNOWS THAT THE WEAKEST LINK IN THE CHAIN
IS THOSE WHO KNOW WHO THE KILLER IS
Email: ENDGAME@CLOSING.NET
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004
Time: 04:47:27 PM
MEMO TO THE KILLER: HERE'S HOW THIS WILL END
It will be between 3am & 4am. Nanotech listening devices already right now implanted in your bedroom will confirm you are in deep-phase REM sleep. The nightmare begins with a glissando of well-oiled gun metal, building to a crescendo of coordinated lock and load: welcome to your personal Armageddon.
In the next instant there will be a photon explosion in your brain as a dozen 18,000 watt searchlights blind everything in their beam. A dozen 800 pound gorillas - armed with M4 carbines, Ruger Mini 14s and Beretta M12s - & trained by the State to kill on behalf of the taxpayer, will descend on your bed screaming like the Banshees from Hell. You will be thrown from your mattress & a gigantic jackboot will smash your face into the floor, as a stamp of authority.
You are now nothing more than a piece of meat.
The shock & trauma will induce involuntary defecation, urination & vomiting. You will bleed from the ears & begin to choke on the inhaled blood from your smashed nose. Paramedic Police will ensure you remain alive. You will spend the first night of the rest of your life behind bars in a holding cage, marinating in your own body wastes.
The trigger which will unleash this Apocalyse is already in Police Forensic Laboratories. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE POLICE HAVE PUBLICLY DISCLOSED ALL THE EVIDENCE THEY HAVE ON YOU? The clock is ticking down.
And guess what? EXACTLY THE SAME FATE AWAITS THOSE WHO KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
The only thing you have left of value to the Police is the names of accomplices; you will be so pathetically grateful -coward that your are - for the opportunity to plea-bargain that you'll squeal & spit those names out faster than you would red-hot chilli.
MEMO TO THE ACCOMPLICES: It's endgame folks. You can either take the indemnity, the money & some solace that you did the right thing in the end. Or you can rot in jail for the rest of your natural life.
Think it through.
"Into this house we’re born Into this world we’re thrown ...There’s a killer on the run His brain is squirmin’ like a toad"
Name: hootie hootie
Email: hootie@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 June 2004
Time: 11:31:22 AM
Check this out:- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/travelstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3570891&thesection=travel&thesubsection=destination&thesecondsubsection=pacific
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: private@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 09:52:51 PM
Hi Damn Yank, Monica & Paul Great to hear your Bounty Day Virginia style went well. It is nice to know our day is celebrated in the USA by wonderful friends like yourselves. (: Darlene & Colin
Grarbamoon - Wal done fer dar site yu se do fer Janelle.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 07:30:26 PM
'Question': waal dunn fe toerken ouet Brudd; & likewise to all of those very brave Islanders who have assisted the police with this inquiry. I don't give a damn whether the killer is a close relative or a martian ...JUSTICE must be done.
cf. http://nisdv.bravehost.com/Janelle.html
Not only justice for Janelle, her family & those who cared about her; but justice for the Judaeo-Christian-Hellenic value-system which has underpinned the life & security of this community for over 200 years.
Those who know something about this slaughter, need to ask themselves: "Are we to live according to the Rule of Law; or the terror of the jungle?"
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 02:03:25 PM
Darlene & Colin,
Whut a wae yorlye! Thank you as well for everything. That green paper pine tree flew quite nicely over our deck on this Virginia mountain!
It is an honor to know you.
Paul & Monica...Damn Yank...whatever
Name: Question
Email: question@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 12:41:41 PM
Thanks Grarbamoon.....I couldn't be se putt ett enny batta den yu....
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: even-the-most-brutal-warrior-protects-the-wounded-bird-which-flies-to-him-for-refuge
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 12:24:17 PM
AND another thing 'none(ntity)'/msteen.44/N/A...whatever: very interesting that what flushed you out from under your rock again, was 'Question's reference to the 'The Age' article in which this paragraph appears to have struck a raw nerve with you: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "Despite such evidence that locals kept a sharp eye on each other's activities, an island woman claimed yesterday she had "not really" paid attention to the published list of 16 persons of interest that has so disturbed much of the community. "There's been some fabulous shots of Norfolk on the TV," was her summary of the case." ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Now you've got me wondering - out loud in fact - just why that should be so.
Could it have been 'Question's follow-up retort: "Shame on you. Do you have something to hide???Mmmmmm one cannot help but wonder."
Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us on this point msteen.44@hotmail.com ...after all your PARTICULAR response (ie. cold dismissive petulance) to 'Question's perspective on the BRUTAL SLAUGHTER of Janelle Patton is rather, shall we say ...curious.
Now YOU may want debate on this issue quashed ...but guess what - I'M just warming to the topic!
You may not be very bright msteen.44@hotmail.com but you do have a certain rat-cunning about you ...so you probably have an instinctive suspicion that the police have been sniffing every packet of data delivered to this server & would be aware of precisely which & whose computer each & every binary originated from (not to mention analysis of your Hotmail account).
So why don't you come clean on this Forum (seeing the police already know who you are) as to why you have such a 'coldly petulant & dismissive' attitude to any canvassing of the COWARDLY BUTCHERING of Ms Patton???
Or are you going to revert to type, scuttle back under your rock & play dead???
Name: Sick of Hoons
Email: dhfgshf.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 11:49:57 AM
Hey Blocker Morgan - Why don't you get a life, grow up or get the hell of our island. Hoons like you stuffing up our beaches (Emily Bay) and the island generally aren't wanted here you MORON! So get a life matey.
Name: Ivan and Rema Clark
Email: NA
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 09 June 2004
Time: 09:31:51 AM
To all our friends and family on the island - have a great Bounty Day - thinking of you all
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: norneed.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 08 June 2004
Time: 05:45:29 PM
Thanks Damn Yank! Bounty Day was another brilliant day and we look forward to seeing you and your dear wife next Bounty?? If you can, - try and arrange your holiday to include this historical event. It is an experience not to be missed. Once again - thank you for your generosity and kindness and enjoy your Bounty Day in Virginia (:
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 08 June 2004
Time: 03:54:12 PM
Happy Bounty Day, Norfolk Island!
At my modest home in Virginia (USA), a posterboard drawing of the Norfolk Island Pine Tree Flag will be sported in place of my country's flag in your honor! Cap'n Bligh will not be happy! :)
Most importantly and unexpectedly, I have met some Norfolk Islanders that have become very dear to my heart. I have to witness this paradise. I have nothing to lose. To my good friends, we thank you! :) If I am shunned by the majority, I will return home and make a personal note that at least I tried...
Grarbamoon,
With the exception of my military service, I have seen nothing west of Minnesota and north of Montreal, Canada. My family has been in Virginia since the settlement at Jamestown. There are islands here called Chincoteague and Assateague in which my blood has origins.
Most likely, I desire of my islands what you desire for yours. I hope to visit Norfolk Island in June or July of 2005. I hope to learn some advice as to what I can do to keep my islands as pure as yours.
Take care and BOUNTY DAY will be honored in Virginia (USA)! :)
DY
Name: Bounty Day
Email: Bounty@norfolk.nf
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 08 June 2004
Time: 12:40:24 PM
To All Norfolk Islanders ENJOY BOUNTY DAY CELEBRATIONS :-)
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 June 2004
Time: 11:36:14 AM
Damn Yank: You really should come over & visit; many of our people have settled in the USA from generations back & quite a few of the well established family names on Norfolk are patronyms of American seafarers who've settled on the Island over the last 100 years or so.
You'll find that Norfolk & the "real" Norfolk Islanders are nothing like the caricature you see portrayed in the Australian (mainly Fairfax) media.
As for you 'none(ntity)'/msteen.44/whatever: the posters who actually have something meaningful to contribute here, don't like casting their pearls of wisdom to swine ...so why don't you take your porcine reading skills elsewhere - preferably off the Island.
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: norneed.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 June 2004
Time: 10:25:06 PM
Thank you Monica & Paul for your kindness and generosity in sending the wonderful package all the way from the USA containing various CD's, Videos, Maps, Books, Flags etc. It is very much appreciated and will never be forgotten (:
Name: N/A
Email: msteen.44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 09:06:35 PM
Why don't you get a life for yourself and leave the people of Norfolk alone. Haven't you got anything better to do with yourself? All the stupid names you use here on this Forum fool no-one. GO AWAY! You've been lurking around here for too long. Don't waste your time quoting all this stupid rubbish, try to use your time more productively and amuse yourself elsewhere. Now wouldn't that be a good idea!!!!
Name: Question
Email: question@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 06:41:40 PM
To the "local" who apparently said:- "Despite such evidence that locals kept a sharp eye on each other's activities, an island woman claimed yesterday she had "not really" paid attention to the published list of 16 persons of interest that has so disturbed much of the community. "There's been some fabulous shots of Norfolk on the TV," was her summary of the case".... Shame on you. Do you have something to hide???Mmmmmm one cannot help but wonder.
PS: I'm a born and bred islander so let's hope the so called "local" is just that - and not a born and bred islander!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 06:22:13 PM
Grarbamoon:
It is now 1:47 AM here in Virginia as I am a night-owl on the weekends, however I burn no "midnight oil" on my two precious off days.
There certainly are some American companies in existance that live for nothing but profit at any expense. I do not work for Halliburton, but was once an enlisted soldier as the GI Bill does wonders for college debt. I did my time...nothing more...nothing less.
I always knew about mutiny on the Bounty, etc., but had never pursued any further information until... As dialogued much earlier, I accidently came accross this forum long ago when my finger prematurely hit the <enter> button when I was on my way to check the Sunday football scores on http://www.nfl.com. I found this place interesting/fascinating (except for the single unsolved murder case) and have been around ever since.
My voice means nothing here, but my hopes are for your island to keep its identity and independence from Oz. I do not know much about the AFP or their procedures, but I do hope that they are able to eventually solve this case. I pray for this.
Later,
DY
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: _@.
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 05:16:37 PM
'Damn Yank': As it's currently around 9.45pm w.coast USA, I assume you're enjoying a quiet Saturday evening online (rather than burning the midnight candle somewhere on the eastern seaboard) ...FYI I'm "anti" the Fortune500/Military-Industrial PLUTOCRACY (think Halliburton) which is increasingly immiserating ordinary americans as much as it is "the wretched of the earth" ...I'm NOT "anti" - I'm PRO - ordinary americans, & I'm certainly not "anti" american science & technology.
I use american benchmarks because they are widely recognized as world's best practice in terms of forensic analysis of violent crime ...ask yourself would FBI Special Agents and other professionals who comprise the staff of the National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) have handled the case in question in the same way as has the AFP??
In point of fact, I would humbly suggest that the current strategy the AFP is pursuing eg. colluding with rag-vermin such as Stephen Gibbs (cf: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/04/1086203626722.html ) to put the entire "Bounty Descendant" community in the Dock - rather than the killer/s - is a diversionary strategy to deflect the focus of world media - & domestic political - attention away from how it has "botched" this case from the get-go.
This case can only be solved by casting the cold hard clinical light of dispassionate analytical REASON on the remnant forensic MATERIAL EVIDENCE which is still out there somewhere, linking the crime-scene to the killer ...regressing to the kind of white-heat emotionalism of irrational bigotry, hatred & villification which emanates from (SMH police & court reporter) Stephen Gibbs' poisonous rant cited above, serves no one - but the killer/s.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 04:09:41 PM
Grarbamoon:
I desire the same outcome that you desire. One thing I do notice is that all of your sources and examples (be they negative or positive) are American with the exception of Orwell and Kung Fu. I was hoping that you would have quoted some crime-solving methods of Australian brilliance but you did not.
I do opine that you are asking all of the right questions and that you should seriously consider law-enforcement investigation as a career. Your services are greatly needed.
Peace!
DY
BTW...Richard Jewell will never have to work again the rest of his life due to the out-of-court settlement he received.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: .@-
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 03:09:10 PM
'Damn Yank': I take it you refer to my recent post regarding the insidiously loaded phrase "Person Of Interest" (POI) ...if you dipute it's american provenance - please enlighten us.
As for your scathing reference to "this botched case" ...Damn Right, DY!
It now emerges (if recent media reports are to be believed) that the deceased carried vital clues as to the location of the crime scene under the fingernails & on the person - to wit, "flakes" of green paint.
"Flakes" of green paint suggest that the paint was deteriorating due to age; for such paint to be wedged under the fingernails strongly suggests clawing at the walls/doors of the interior of a built structure, whilst seeking to escape.
This is absolutely vital evidence pointing to forensically verifiable identification of the crime scene - WHY HAS IT TAKEN TWO YEARS let alone two weeks to make this kind of evidence PUBLIC??
Here's a quote from one of the leading crime-scene analyis faculties in the US: "Another thing that detectives have frequently done wrong is restrict the flow of information from a crime scene. This often takes the form of keeping journalists and the media away, as well as keeping valuable, timely information from other law enforcement personnel. It's far better to set up a media liaison post along with a command center near the outer perimeter. It's important to remember communication and team work are the hallmarks of good crime scene analysis."
_references_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/labhome.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/current/index.htm
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 06 June 2004
Time: 02:25:05 AM
I just knew that this botched case would somehow end up being America's entire fault. :( All hail "Big Brother" and the "Thought Police"!
<sigh>
DY
Name: Question
Email: question@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 05 June 2004
Time: 12:02:41 PM
To the psychopathic coward........in case you think it is over..see this http://www.bordermail.com.au/newsflow/pageitem?page_id=735349
By the way - I am a born and bred islander and you are not wanted here - no matter who you are - one of us or otherwise!
Name: Another Islander
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 June 2004
Time: 07:25:31 PM
Well written and well done to the author of the previous submission. I also agree with Question - how anyone can eat, sleep or be NORMAL is beyond me and nealry everyone on this beautiful but shattered rock. The Police report used in the inquest is available from Admin's Registry department at a small cost of $5.00. This report is sickening and maybe if everyone purchased a copy and read it (especially anyone involved with the murder) - it just might flush out the psycho who killed Janelle. Whoever you are, where ever you are - get this - YOU ARE ON BORROWED TIME and will be caught......and sooner than you think you pathetic, ignorant animal (animal moosa too gude fer call you!). I agree - an eye for an eye.
Name: An Islander
Email: cahwah.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 June 2004
Time: 07:15:01 PM
D'mine wutta wae - one innocent life se tekk ett by one sawwage coward psychopathic idiot and I nor wunnta be in yu's shoe when dem se ketch yu or yorlye. I also wouldn't wunnta be any other sullun who shielden dar killer - cos yorlye gwen go fer a skate as wal. Whether ess one a ucklun's sullun or nort -who awwa do ett nor deserve fer leww. Whuts dar sayen - "eye for an eye"??? All ucklun gut a lettle sullun ulla loved one's - so putt yorlye in dem Patton's shoes enn see wetha yorlye would like ett. Enybody who gutta heart would come forward enn enybody with an ounce of care, shame etc - would giww dem salf up. One dae - who awwa do ett might wish dem bin! All I can say - is I feel very sad for Janelle, Carol, Ron and Mark as no one NO MATTER WHO OR WHAT THEY ARE LIKE deserved the brutal slaying. So you coward psycho dickhead - own up and P I S S off this island so we all can get back on track. We nor wunt you or youen ya!! Tekk dar!!
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: pourri
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 June 2004
Time: 01:16:23 PM
FACT ONE: There is no OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED DEFINITION of the phrase "Person Of Interest" on any australian police website.
FACT TWO: Not ONE of the so-called 'journalists'(sic) covering the recent coronial inquest bothered to ask the AFP to provide such a definition in the context of the exercise at hand.
FACT THREE: The great classical chinese philosopher K'ung Fu-tzu (Confucius) believed that corruption of language presaged (& was a 'sine qua non' of) corruption of a FREE & ETHICALLY JUST Society - hence his heroic campaign of linguistic 'rectification' during the 'Hundred Schools of Thought, Spring and Autumn Period' c@ 500 BC. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Consistent with the federated australian state's drift into an american-style police-state-gulag (WA & QLD are already there); the weasel term "Person of Interest" (POI) is yet another americanism imported into the Oz-copper-kulcha ...probably by way of too many bored junior constables watching too many re-runs of 'Miami Vice' down at the station.
Here's a salutary warning - from Miami Florida as it happens - of the clear & present danger to the civil liberties of a free & democratic society, which Orwellian terms such as "Person Of Interest" (POI) represents:
"[The term "person of interest" has worked its way into the national lexicon in recent years and has been used in several high-profile cases - the government's investigation into the deadly anthrax attacks, for example.
But critics worry that the term has become a crutch for law enforcement officers, allowing them to draw attention to individuals without formally accusing them.
"It has the terrible potential to cause negative inferences about people who have nothing to do with a crime," said James Acker, criminal justice professor at the University at Albany in New York.
Unlike "suspect" and "material witness," the phrase has no legal definition and is not mentioned in most criminology books, local professors say.
Law enforcement officers say the phrase is neutral: It could mean potential suspect, it could mean witness.
"It's a good term," said Sgt. Mike Puetz of the St. Petersburg Police Department. "It applies to anyone we would like to speak with further."
But to critics, it's the equivalent of a wink and a nod from officers, meaning: Don't worry, we've got our guy. It's a vanilla way to say suspect, critics argue, and has the effect of tainting a person long before officers have enough evidence for an arrest.
"It's a sloppy, irresponsible term," said Ted Gup, journalism professor at Case Western Reserve University and a former Washington Post reporter. "Once you cast a pall of suspicion on someone, you can't subsequently say, "I didn't mean anything by that.' It's like trying to get the toothpaste back into the tube."
The term certainly isn't new. It dates back at least to the 1970s, when it appeared in a New York Times article describing the government's plans to compile information on various "persons of interest."
But most agree that the term's popularity increased in 1996, after investigators and reporters named Atlanta security guard Richard Jewell as potentially responsible for the Olympic Park bombing.
He was later cleared and won at least hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements - the exact amount has not been disclosed - claiming his reputation was forever ruined.
"We call it the Richard Jewell rule," said Lt. Rod Reder, spokesman for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.
Critics don't buy it.
"By referring to someone as a person of interest, they're sending a signal without saying the words," said Jewell's attorney, L. Lin Wood of Atlanta. "No individual's name should be publicly discussed simply because they're being investigated. A lot of innocent people are investigated."
Wood, too, believes the term has become more popular since Jewell, with law enforcement officers trying to find a more nebulous way to publicly identify suspects.
Whatever the phraseology, connecting someone to a crime has consequences.
That has been no more clear than in the perplexing case of Steven Hatfill, a bioterror expert who has been called by the government a "person of interest" in the anthrax attacks that killed five people in 2001.
Several intriguing clues led investigators to Hatfill, and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft named him as the only "person of interest" in his investigation.
The attention has, by all accounts, ruined Hatfill's life, but he has not been charged with sending the anthrax-laced letters. Hatfill's lawyer, Thomas Connolly, has filed a lawsuit against the government, seeking damages for the impact on Hatfill's life.
"He's been shunned by his friends and treated like a virtual pariah," said Hatfill's friend and former CNN reporter, Pat Clawson.
Clawson says the term "person of interest" is partly to blame for Hatfill's situation.
"It's a nice catchy little phrase," Clawson said. "It means, "We think you're guilty of something, but we don't have any evidence, so we're going to smear your reputation in the meantime.' " ]"
cf: http://www.sptimes.com/2004/02/16/Worldandnation/_Person_of_interest__.shtml
Name: The Naming Shame
Email: nufka.nf
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 04 June 2004
Time: 01:48:30 AM
Norfolk laws pertaining to slander must be non-existent! Those people named but not charged over the tragic murder of Janelle Patton, should seek the services of QC and pursue legal action against those who publisised their names and made statements regarding their characters. I can only surmise that the Australian Government has a very tight budget to pursue this case and that the detective in charge has had to resort to naming suspects to try to flush out the killer(s). If this crime had been committed in the ACT, no end of resources would be used to pursue the perpetrators. Surely the best way to flush out criminals in a small community is to take the time (2years is just 'morla' to Norfolkers) to understand the Norfolk culture and let 'ucklun' help with the detective work. Of course this all presurposes that is WAS a Norfolker that committed the crime! If it wasn't, then the naming of the 'suspects' becomes even more criminal!
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: -@.
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 02 June 2004
Time: 03:25:04 PM
Well said 'Feeling for the Innocent' ...what I want to know is why Blind Freddy & the Pet-Shop Parrot aren't also on the list at:
Named in court: persons of interest June 2, 2004 - 9:51AM http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/02/1086058886418.html
...seems that just about everyone else who crossed the path of the deceased at some point has been included.
The only member of the Fourth Estate to come out of this with a vestige of credibility intact is AAP 'stringer' Kim Arlington; the only 'journo' to report the key-point finding of the inquest, to wit:
"Detective Sergeant Bob Peters has spent two days detailing the investigation at an inquest on Ms Patton. Concluding his evidence yesterday, he said there was *_no suggestion_* that whoever killed Ms Patton on March 31, 2002, was among the 16 persons of interest identified by police."
I would strongly suggest that those who have been defamed by the tabloid-grubs - particularly the unfortunate lady whose photo was splashed across the front page of yesterdays 'The Australian' - study the 'AJA CODE OF ETHICS', including: <>Honesty <>Fairness <>Independence <>Respect for the rights of others (what a frigging JOKE!!)
...& take remedial legal action as per the advice at: http://www.alliance.org.au/hot/ethicscode.htm
As for you KATHY MARX your shameless plagiarism - line for line - of yesterdays crappy copy by other correspondents; for recycling as "news" in todays edition of the UK's 'The Independent' ...well what can I say - you're not only a disgrace to the Fourth-Estate, you're a chancre on the concept of literacy.
ps. FOURTH-ESTATE = PULLAR-HAID ...now go ask around to see what "dem tull" that means.
Name: Feeling for the Innocent
Email: bewildered.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 June 2004
Time: 01:53:25 PM
To all those innocent people that the Press are crucifying in the Coronial enquiry. Justice will prevail and leave it wide open for you to sue the media for Slander and defamation of character.
Give them enough rope and they will leave this avenue wide open for legal action against them.
Name: Feeling for the Innocent
Email: bewildered.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 June 2004
Time: 01:52:41 PM
To all those innocent people that the Press are crucifying in the Coronial enquiry. Justice will prevail and leave it wide open for you to sue the media for Slander and defamation of character.
Give them enough rope and they will leave this avenue wide open for legal action against them.
Name: Question
Email: Question@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 01 June 2004
Time: 04:56:59 PM
One more thing - You can run for so long - but you can't run forever!
Name: Question
Email: Question@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 01 June 2004
Time: 04:55:17 PM
This is the 2nd day of the coronial inquest into Janelle Patton's horrific murder - I along with the rest of the island want to know "how the killer/killers can eat, sleep and have a clear conscience knowing what thye have done"?? no doubt the killer/killers get on this website - if so - BE HUMANE AND GIVE YOURSELF/YOURELVES UP coz sure as hell you will be haunted. Just wait and see you inhumane animal/animals. Whovever you are - you don't deserve to breath!! After all - why should you? Janelle isn't.
Name: endure
Email: endure@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 01 June 2004
Time: 01:48:42 PM
With all of the events of history that has been endured in the past, Surely you will endure in spite of at times misguded media reports...Look to the future with a wide and prosporous smile...
Name: refusal
Email: refusal.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 01 June 2004
Time: 10:52:12 AM
Thankyou to Desirata and to Grabamoon. It really stands you back when all is in perpective and one can look at the positive ways that can be achieved. With what is happening here this week I guess this little rock with her people need support as once again all is portrayed with judgement and blood. Not to say that justice will prevail but lets all stand by those who are in pain, and may our little rock will come through this episode stronger and more positive than before.Norfolk has so much to offer and the people so much to give, but I find that some are unable to see what beauty they have and ways of giving it freely. Look inside and see the beauty of all that we are and all that we want to be and then and only then can we give back with intent of success and achievement. As they say, there are those that walk this earth with energy that is benevolent and loving, I know I am one. Hang in there little rock, this week is hard.Remember, desirata.
Name: pilli@ni
Email: pilli@ni
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 01 June 2004
Time: 09:05:42 AM
anybody gut anything fe tull
Name: EVERY BODY
Email: hereonnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 May 2004
Time: 07:42:25 AM
GOOD LUCK FOR THE COOUNTRY MUSIC FESTIVAL.....DESPITE THE WEATHER...HAVE A GREAT TIME
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 May 2004
Time: 06:17:34 PM
Congratulations to both Nor Lanen & Refusal for cutting to the chase of what a Forum such as this should be all about: defining who we are; where we've come from; where we want to go; & how we're going to get there ...as dear old great-gran used to say "eff yu cah whi'sied yu cum froem, hoew yu gwen knoew whi'sied yu gwen?"
I would define the crux of Norfolk's enduring dilemma, as the *_dissonance_* created by it's relative geographical proximity to; versus it's considerable cultural distance from - the mainland.
Norfolk has up until fairly recent date, glove-fit the Weberian definition of a "traditional society". In the post-WWII era especially, it has been increasingly forced to articulate itself to the dictates of the aggressively modernizing & nation-building state to the west; which is consciously patterning itself on the template of the idealized "Universal Civilization" which - according to Francis Fukuyama - will be found at "the end of history".
As if this were not dissonance enough: Vladimir Lenin's claim that politics was basically about "who could do what to whom" (Russian "Kto-Kogo" ie. "Who-Whom"); & the eminent British political scientist Harold Lasswell's definition of the political process as that which determines "who gets what, when, where and how", hold as true for Norfolk as they do for anywhere else.
Highly recommended reading on these issues: The Future of “History”: Stanley Kurtz http://www.policyreview.org/JUN02/kurtz.html
Name: Hassett!
Email: ocans.nf
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 13 May 2004
Time: 04:26:23 PM
Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others; even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy!!
Name: refusal
Email: saddened.inhabitant
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 May 2004
Time: 10:52:47 AM
You know, when you read back some way on this site ,it is so blatantly obvious the anger and ignorance and for that matter jealousy of those who have succeeded. Ignorance IS NOT bliss. Ignorance is a state of mind and to this day with all the avenues of learning that some continue to keep their heads in the sand and remain on a deep rigid ever deepening crack in their record. If you are going to make mindless accusations and heated statements, then have the information to back this up. I read on here that some are more than effecient in backing up their statements, and not only that, they dont belittle or use coarse language in attacking individuals or a groups/business. Really take a look at what you who are islanders, are portraying on this site for the world to read. Stand back away from your own anger and emotion and is this what we want the world to see. There is enough negative remarks and impressions of Norfolk people now, and with this type of mentality that continues sets us up to be the hick ignorant small minded non progressive population that we appear to be known as. This has tared alot of us here as we are not this. Being different to the fact that this is no doubt the most beautiful place that any one could inhabit, differs greatly from the inhabitants and attitudes. Take another look at this forum, read it through from as far back as you can. What image are YOU left with???? I for one refuse to be a part of all that is angry, ignorant, small minded and non based in information. I welcome any comment that will be constructive in its critisism and only if it will be of benefit to our island as a whole.Read aobut racial discrimination, read about the jealousy of success, read about those who want what others have, look at the world as a whole cause you contribute to it on a daily basis and all of what you have written is there for the world to see!!Maybe adopt more of Desirata which is on this forum. Before you take down all of us who have no part in your anger or emotions, think about what you are writing and how is this going to reflect on the rest of us. Say what you need to say, but do it in an adult way and one that is not painted with blood. Read back all of you and do 2 things. Which are the constructive positive comments, and which are the destructive, angry verbal abusive ones? Expression is free. Wars, pain, anger and jealousy costs.
Name: pi'en in'a clorth
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 12 May 2004
Time: 12:48:19 PM
waal dunn yorley!!!
"The Demons have not lost since Norfolk Island pummeled them. They are second on the ladder, giving way only to the inspired and undefeated Saints. They have six wins from seven games and a robust percentage of 141.2. "
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9534391%255E12270,00.html
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: prefer_phonecall_nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2004
Time: 02:53:12 PM
Wow!! The power of the internet and radio. A big THANK YOU to all who have contacted me about my request for CD's - especially Damn Yank, Steve, Maxine, Pete & Georgia. I do appreciate all the assistance. Thanks f' me - Darls (-:
Name: Darlene
Email: prefer_phone_call.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 May 2004
Time: 08:58:08 PM
Thanks Damn Yank (DY) and Hunney. I appreciate your help Darlene
Name: hunney
Email: out@yenna
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 May 2004
Time: 07:49:33 PM
Darlene, I suposse due to political correctness and copywrights etc you can not just download the music you'd like from one of the many share file sites on the internet. I have found it quite a help to look up some of the older tunes and don't see the harm if you do not intend to sell the music on or make income from it. Just like taping a song off the radio in bygone years. I have kept all my old vinyls including the artists you mention but regretfully live too far away to be of further assistance. Good luck in your search.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 07 May 2004
Time: 03:25:23 PM
Darlene/Darls/Dar Bizziebee:
Send me a shipping address and they are yours free of charge.
DY
Name: Darlene/Darls/Dar Bizziebee
Email: prefer_phone_call.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 May 2004
Time: 03:06:26 PM
Hey yorlye - I am hopeful that Norfolk Island folk who visit this forum can help me out with some music. I am hunting for the Travelling Wilbury's Volume 1 CD or vinyl as well as some Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band that I can borrow to use on radio. They will be well looked after. If anyone can help, please give me a buzz. I'm in the book. Have a fantabulous and slendiferous weekend! (-:
Name: hunney
Email: tintolea@outyenna
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 06 May 2004
Time: 11:26:50 PM
Nor larnen, i'se reckon you larnen allright!!
Name: Nor Larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 04 May 2004
Time: 11:33:55 PM
Slanderous and abusive posts aside all should have the freedom to post in here. Nevermind where one is from or what one has to say - without opposing views this site and the world at large would be a very boring place. Whilst I disagree with the militant views expressed by DY - SO WHAT! Why not say so without slandering him and explaining why he is wrong. We have always fallen back on "mind yus owen basness" "de es ouwas side, nort yourne" - but the result of such a line of arguing can be summed up with "si wea wi se cum". We need to accept opposing views and be able to oppose them with reasonable and legitimate arguments that serve to teach others about Norfolk - because it will be support both within and without Norfolk that will be needed in the not too distant future.
Name: "Pitcairn: the newest part of Europe"
Email: 1010011
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 April 2004
Time: 02:44:32 PM
"The Pitcairn judgment is online, and it's a fascinating primer not only on Pitcairn history but on the British and international law of national sovereignty. At issue was whether Pitcairn had ever been legally annexed as a British territory or whether it was effectively a sovereign nation over which British law had no power."
cf: http://nisdv.bravehost.com/BREAKING_NEWS.html
Name: "the object is not to observe the world, but to
CHANGE it !!"
Email: the_meek_shall_inherit_bugger_all@length
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 April 2004
Time: 12:39:55 PM
dear 'observe', here's a partial explanation of the prevailing mood, (lifted from Murdoch's skankiest tabloid rag):
"Coleman was editor for 20 years [of Quadrant, Australia's ONLY high-brow journal], in two phases separated by periods of dedication to politics and then colonial oppression (as administrator of Norfolk Island)."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9425719%255E31501,00.html
Name: observe
Email: observe.comments
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 April 2004
Time: 10:45:17 AM
Hmmm. Very interesting once again to notice that the high emotions and personal attacks on people who make comments. This is how wars are started, families break down, neighourhoods become unsafe and most of all, how anger and insults become more heated and fueled. With all below where is the constructiveness in what is said.? Alot of finger pointing and venom. Norfolk will never loose her appeal nor her culture if those who wish to retain and educate the culture continue to do so. However I for one do not want to see her in a situation where it is a loose loose, rather than win win and sometimes to achieve a win win thoughts need to be channelled in a direction that maybe has not been looked at. This is a very small rock, with alot of opinions, and with what is on here they are full of emotion. Is this anger?? If so lets see it used constructively and channel it into lifting our people here rather than the attack modes that I have read. We all have a right to believe what we believe, but it doesnt make it right for us all. If you love Norfolk and its people then this is not what it shows.
Name: Deja Vu??
Email: what_goes_around@comes_around
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 29 April 2004
Time: 06:55:18 PM
*_1856_*
"After the end of the war Trincomalee was moved to Esquimalt (Vancouver Island) and returned to standard duties, making courtesy visits to Pacific colonies, and undertaking hydrographic surveys. In fact, to this day the approaches to Vancouver feature a Trincomali Channel and Houstoun Passage. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ She was also anchored off the Sandwich Islands for a time, to deter American interest in *_Pitcairn_*, Tahiti and Hawaii. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ She was also used in response to attacks from a rogue band of native Americans Indians led by one Tathlasut. Towed through the tricky narrows by a steamboat, Trincomalee took station alongside Tathlasut's coastal village. Intimidated by her broadside guns and the 450 men on board, extra troops being embarked for the occasion, the tribe quickly handed over Tathlasut for trial and, inevitably, execution."
http://www.hms-trincomalee.co.uk/historic/navy/service.htm
Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 27 April 2004
Time: 08:03:03 PM
It is a stretch of the imagination to compare Norfolk and the Iraqi situation though there are some parallels. Just as "ockers" with no knowledge of our history get all red in the face and splutter about owning Norfolk and having rights to her red neck yanks do the same to justify their invasion of Iraq. As they say history will be the judge. Unfortunately for Norfolk it is likely too late.
Name: "english sullen"
Email: n.f.p.
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 26 April 2004
Time: 01:43:59 PM
cheers, not only are you descended from "English sullen", may I repectfully remind you that the 'Brits' you are descended from were among Albion's finest sons (unlike the village idiots & harlots who got transported to australia in one of history's greatest unsung 'ethnic cleansing' projects) As well as having probably the greatest concentration of "blue-blood" outside of the British Isles you really should be proudest of your lineage to to ordinary British seamen, among the toughest, savviest & resourceful people those Isles have produced.
I will always remember my time on Norfolk with great fondness mainly because of the overwhelmiing majority of 'gentlefolk' in your community
But what I really wanted to say is that you really should not have to put up with the gratuitous ignorance & rudeness of low-grade morons from the mainland. Their are anti-villification laws in place to protect minorities in australia & they should apply to the external territories as well (the chinese & malay residents of Christmas Island suffer terrible racial abuse in Perth & are starting to fight back using these laws)
i would respectfully suggest that the next time one of our clueless drongo 'mates' crops up on this forum you slap a writ on the proprietors of NIDS for facilitating their abuse
Forums such as this should be MODERATED
Name: wi nor wunt you
Email: s.s
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 26 April 2004
Time: 01:14:53 PM
I wish to apologise for offending "english sullen"- former resident. I wasnt intending to offend the english who i am very grateful for as well as being descended from. "English sullen" refers to anybody who isnt a norfolker and offends us and doesnt see the world the way we do-sorry
Name: "english sullen"
Email: n.f.p.
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 26 April 2004
Time: 12:35:45 PM
as a former resident of Norfolk & an "english sullen" I take exception to your tarring of 'Brits' with the same brush as the kind of ocker-lowlife-vermin who find their way onto this forum. They are just as distasteful to us Brits in australia as they are to you.
if you care to look back over the entries in this forum, it is clear that in EVERY case the initial provocation comes from the kind of gutless bigots on the mainland of which australia has never had a shortage (despite it's laughable self image as a nation of "legends") It's the same kind of villification of minorities that australia has always been notorious for whether against "abbos", "wogs", "kiwis", "septics" etc.
Name: wi nor wunt you
Email: norlarnrn.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Sunday, 25 April 2004
Time: 06:35:51 PM
how the hell did a moron like peter r get on this forum anyway. typical arrogant "english sullen"
Name: Olddog
Email: pc_232@hotmail.com
Country: Ireland
Date: Wednesday, 14 April 2004
Time: 04:24:46 AM
Greetings from Ireland an island ( small but quite large compared to NI ) off the west coast of Europe.
Over here we became part of the European Economic Community ( which became the European Union - EU - ) many years ago.
Back then we had great sea fishing & many trawlers providing good livings for the people involved.
Since then little by little what used to be 'our' fishing area has been taken by the EU and given to other countries. Now the sea around us is so empty of fish that trawlers are permitted to fish for less than two weeks in every month.
Other consequences of EU rule include the closing down of all but a few large abatoirs and ongoing attempts to close down farming.
I have no difficulty in understanding why some of you want to stay clear of being ruled from afar. . . .
The romantic in me says its a shame to see so much backbiting about money on this BB. Of course people have to make a living but equally no one is ever going to make a fortune by trading among 2000 people. For all the hot air and genuine feeling that there is on this please can you all keep a balance and remember its much easier to make serious moola where there are millions of people. Maybe I'm wrong on this but I suspect that just about all NI business serve the community and provide their owners with a modest / OK living.
Thanks for giving me the space to post this and good afternoon from Ireland.
Olddog
Name: observe
Email: observe.comments
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 12 April 2004
Time: 06:24:12 PM
It has been interesting reading and observing all the emotions and comments on this site. It also gives more of an insight as to why there are wars and disharmony amongst humans. There are some pretty passionate writers on this site and the accusations are what causes harm in any place and time. Norfolk is good for this-dem tul. How about a more grander view and realise that no matter who or what we are as a community we need to support all, not cut the heads off those that have achieved. It would be better for all if we could lock egos away, self opinions in closets, and open our minds to a view that we can all benefit from those that have success and are only too willing to share their knowledge for all to succeed. Wars are begun with alot of what I have read on here and not to say that each and everyone of us is able to express our views, but hey, make them into ones that can be solved or constructive and not play politics and the games of destruction. Look back over the forum and there is some pretty wild accusations. Me, I,m for all of us here increasing the resources of Norfolk, putting her on the world stage and promoting harmony and constructive business and success for all.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: leverage@dns_namespace
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 April 2004
Time: 02:45:32 PM
Given that the Internet presents a golden opportunity for Norfolk to trump the "tyranny of distance" & diversify into industries based on data-processing in one form or another; I wonder if the current issues with Internet access could be leveraged into a "win-win" scenario for all concerned, via the joint-venture telco model which is proving an outstanding success in parts of europe & north-america ...the US State of Oregon in particular has probably the 'world's best practice' telco infrastructure based on this very model, cf:
PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS IN OREGON http://www.ortcc.org/PDF/PPPartnerships.pdf
"Public-private partnerships are a contractual arrangement whereby the resources, risks and rewards of both a public agency and private company are combined to provide greater efficiency, better access to capital, and improved compliance with a range of government regulations regarding the environment and workplace. Through this agreement, the skills and assets of each sector (public and private) are shared in delivering a world's-best-practice service or facility for the benefit of the general public."
Models for public-private partnerships and other networked organizational forms: http://www.ctg.albany.edu/publications/reports/some_assembly?chapter=6§ion=5
Institute for Public-Private Partnerships, Inc. http://210.212.218.44/asci_ip3/about_ip3.asp
Name: Nadda Ucklun
Email: nadda@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 April 2004
Time: 09:51:20 PM
Car Larn - well written and true. Hurry up come hoem enn tekk over d' reigns. The more islanders return home, the less "dem" we might get here. We need to stand tall, stick together and support each other.
Name: car larn
Email: nor@larnen.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 April 2004
Time: 05:36:27 PM
Unnai, Uwas yung sullun orf shor still gut a laend orn Norfuk onie paey max. $300 per annum land taxes. Poddy Lover - and at $20c per litre how much revenue does fuel tax generate when there are a few hundred cars driving around each day on an island 5 by 3?. What the heck is Gardner on about now? what a bombshell! To Mr Gardner and the rest of you (past, present and future)who come to Norfolk from off shore - you come for the difference that is Norfolk - please don't try to make it more like where you have come from. If you must then perhaps it's time for you to go home. For all who appreciate Norfolk for what she is, islanders and locals - don't let those fools bugger up our island.
Name: One of Ucklun
Email: bornandbredonnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 April 2004
Time: 09:24:09 AM
Well done to now unnai for your contribution. Yep - wi se come netha wae ya enn plenti ess thanks to dem "doen toen" who we must remember, plenty ent from ya. It is a bloody joke to sit and listen to the crap that comes out from the meetings, and just as well they can continue to put things "on hold" until the next sitting, as it would appear that is all they can do. The more they "hold out their hands" and accept money from Australia, the closer we get to Australia taking over - but dars dar thing - "there are none so blind...as those who will not see". Australia must be wetting themselves at how this island is rapidly going down the gurgler!! It should be our young islanders running this island! How many kiwis or other foreigners do we see running Australia or in their Parliament????. Elva and all the other dear departed locals could see the writing on the wall all those years ago - and plenty ucklun bin laugh boet ett - yeah wal - hetten hoem big time. God halp ucklun enn Norfolk if we get more taxes.
Name: nadaghostbud
Email: nadaghostbud@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 April 2004
Time: 02:02:01 AM
Stick with the .nf domain Rob. If you have made heaps of money out of it - good on you... I wish es me. You took the risk of providing Norfolk with that service when the Internet was in its infancy, so now reap & enjoy the benefits...By the way - whose .nu??
Name: now unnai
Email: whatnext@govt.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 April 2004
Time: 01:48:47 AM
Australian Tax Scheme for Norfolk - this from the Government who is suppose to be fighting Canberra to keep control.... I wonder, if we dont pay tax, what the FIL, the petrol levy, the departure levy fall into. Has anyone seen the paper prepared for public display on the subject? Next we gwen have to buy ours plot a ground down town.... En do laugh, cos the way we gwen - gwena happen.. I keen to know what our Government will offer us for land taxes....their famous absentee land owners TAX is forcing many Islanders to sell their inheritance. Good land that the average Islander just cannot aford. No encourangement from them for Young Islanders to stay here - only encouragement for the ones they think GUT PLENTY......No discouragement for the land speculators - they wont introduce capital gains tax -- but then, the Australian scheme will bring that as part of package?????????????????????
Ho Yar Ho Yar - GET OUT A TOWN.
Name: Cah Beliewett
Email: cahbeliewett.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 05 April 2004
Time: 04:42:19 PM
Taken off the ABC site Monday, 5 April 2004
Norfolk Island is considering adopting the Australian tax system.
Currently the 2,000 people who live on the Island do not pay any income tax.
But the island's Chief Minister, Geoff Gardner, says that could soon change, allowing the government to pay for health, education, and old age pensions.
Mr Gardner says a discussion paper detailing different tax options has been put on public display.
"Our next step now is to ensure that what has been proposed will provide sufficient revenue into the future," he said.
"Some of those matters relate to land tax, personal income tax on a Norfolk Island basis and may extend to the full extension of the Australian tax regime to Norfolk Island."
Name: Haydn
Email: hpound_at_yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 05 April 2004
Time: 12:15:35 PM
Hello
I am wondering if someone can tell me what credit cards are accepted on Norfolk Island? Visacard, Mastercard, Bankcard? Are these cards accepted universally on the island, or is one card preferred over another.
Thanks for your help.
Haydn
Name: ISO 3166-2:NF
Email: NF@NI
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 03 April 2004
Time: 05:21:08 PM
Perhaps NI Gov't should lobby ICANN to designate Norfolk as .ni ?
ISO 3166-2:NF -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1
ICANN (itself a US Department of Commerce spin-off) - rather bizzarely - bases its decisions to grant ccTLDs on the presence of a country on the ISO-3166-1 list of two-letter country codes; a list maintained by a designated department of the International Standards Organization.
The 3166-1 list was developed NOT for the purpose of designating ccTLDs, but rather to standardize country names into two-letter assigned codes for mundane marketing purposes.
An Internet 'bureaucrat' - Jon Postel - through IANA, 'decided' to utilize the ISO 3166-1 list as a basis for creating ccTLDs, reportedly, in order to avoid making political decisions himself; a practice which ICANN inherited and has 'sort of' maintained.
Thus, when IANA designated a ccTLD for Norfolk, they merely took “.nf ” from the ISO 3166-1, rather than themselves choosing the string “.nf ”
May I suggest selling .nf back to Newfoundland - which it originally designated ( http://www.gov.nf.ca/ ) & challenge ICANN's irrational & arbitrary designation of .ni to Nicaragua rather than Norfolk.
Bear in mind that the ISO 3166 standard is simply a geocode system created for coding the names of subdivisions of countries (subnational entities) and dependent areas. The purpose of the standard was originally to establish a worldwide series of short abbreviations for places, for use on package labels, containers and such; ie anywhere that a short alphanumeric code can serve to clearly indicate a location in a more convenient and less ambiguous form than the full place name.
There's no use denying that ccTLDs present an effective way for individuals and institutions to associate themselves with particular territories, regions, and countries. The recent push by European companies and organizations to persuade the ISO to add .eu to the list of country codes exemplifies this new perception of "online sovereignty"; proponents of the .eu code assert their identity as European institutions in contrast to the generic, and US-dominated, .com domain.
Name: car larn
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 03 April 2004
Time: 11:27:27 AM
poor norfolk islander, ef yu car whuse Adon waal car be yu es Norfolk Islender, sounds like a kiwi posing as a local esp. when you go so far as to suggest those fools in the JSC to continue their witch hunt. Adon, thanks for setting the record straight but your reply brings up more questions than answers. Are you suggesting NIDS doen't administer .nf? doesn't recieve any monies? that it isn't profitable?
Name: Poddylover
Email: bigpularsrus@yahoo.com.au
Country: Barbados
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 10:41:12 PM
First in best dressed... that rings a bell. So when should the Norfolk comunity take over Foodland & Martins Agencie?? I'm sure the Island could benifit from those sources of income as well. Norfolk needs to face FACTS!! They get 20c per litre of fuel... see the roads?????
Name: juicy_goss
Email: juicy@net.norfolk.nf
Country: Azerbaijan
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 12:26:26 PM
Yeah, good point Adon. That should shut them up. Tell you what though, I don't think it's fair that NIDS should have to support the nf domain for the whole community. Why don't NIDS pass it over to Admin or a Community based team & therefore the community as a whole pays for something that they own anyway. If they are actually able to profit from it then the benefit would be all for Norfolk as well.
Name: poor norfolkislander
Email: poor_norfolkislander.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 12:16:51 PM
I wonder if Adon (whoever you are) can tell the Norfolk Island Community where the money goes for the .nf administration if it does not go to NIDS.
(check the prices on internet for a .nf domain. Someone is making heaps of money)
One would think that if it does not make any money then it should be surrender the administration to the people of Norfolk Island to worry about. Or does he just do it for a hobey. I bet the Internet Naming Authority would not thin so.
I also encourage the JSC into Norfolks governance to examine the previous running of the .nf administration and find out how much Mr Ryan has actually made from it. Might be a few surprises to be found.
Name: poor norfolk islander
Email: poor_
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 12:06:24 PM
Name: Cah Beliewett
Email: yorlyedun.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 09:45:08 AM
How about all of you (who know Jack S**T) get your facts RIGHT for a change before spouting off your crap. Unless you know what you are on about or can substantiate what you are writing about, keep the jargon to yourselves!! So may suffer with the "April fool" syndrome........(get my drift??)
Name: Adon
Email: none
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 09:05:09 AM
Just for the record to those of you who don't know.
NIDS does not get,use or make one cent from the Domain (.nf)
Name: poor norfolk islander
Email: poor_islander.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 April 2004
Time: 08:26:46 AM
I agree with those previous comments. Why should NIDS be getting all the reveue from the .nf domain. THIS SHOULD BELONG TO THE PEOPLE OF NORFOLK. Norfolk people own the post code 2899, why shouldnt we own .nf as well and add it to our revenue for the good of the whole Island. I think it terrible that the previous Governments of Norfolk Island have allowed this to happen. C'mon Ministers you only have a short time left to run so do something worthwhile and take .nf over for the good of the Island. Who knows it might add to the number of votes you get next election !!!!
Name: car larn
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 April 2004
Time: 01:58:28 PM
Common sense indeed. We can be critical of admin but the bottom line is they provide all of our public services which need to be paid for by all of us equally. Norfolk Telecom is only one of a couple that run at a profit and this profit portion goes back into the community - not into someone's pocket. One of the main reasons Admin is so disliked in the community is that we have to pay so much for our public services. Though admin never seems to be as efficient as they could be the main reason for their exorbitant costs is still economy of scale - that’s the price you pay for living on a remote island with a workforce of about 1,000 people. If we want those costs at admin to go down we need to be looking for more revenue streams (and of course making admin more efficient). Should the .nf domain name be private or publicly owned? One would think the answer to that was obvious. As we all know Rob has offered to hand it back before but admin didn't want it - (what are they thinking?) Perhaps Rob could consider setting up a foundation with a board of locals who use the profits for the good of the island.
Name:
Email: admin@russia.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 April 2004
Time: 12:26:02 PM
No I think Admin should shut down NIDS, and take over the fuel and gas tanks at Ball Bay and I think they would do a much better job at running Foodlands and all the accommodation houses, In fact they should just take everything over and we can all work for admin and get providence and long service leave.
It worked well in Russia ……………. For a while.
Or maybe we should shutdown Admin …. now there’s a thought.
Name: Ho Ya
Email: hoya.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 31 March 2004
Time: 04:28:27 PM
Remember this beautiful verse???
Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others; even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy!!
Name: DarsEtt!
Email: DarsEtt@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 31 March 2004
Time: 02:30:41 PM
Thats great but whats that got to do with what i just said?
Name: common sense
Email: commonsense@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 31 March 2004
Time: 01:02:24 PM
Name: common sense
Email: commonsense@bigpond.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 31 March 2004
Time: 12:58:01 PM
Surely the community realises that NIDS is only getting greedy and wants to bypass the Islands revenue stream completely. All that then legislation is ensuring is that NIDS purchase their communications via the proper channels. Be fair NIDS is making a packet of money out of .nf administration now they dont want to contribute anything towards Norfolk's coffers at all !!!!
One must wonder why Norfolk Island community is missing out on the .nf revenues that NIDS has been enjoying. Maybe it should be considered by the JSC as an alternative revenue source for the people of Norfolk instead of being enjoyed by one person.
Name: Keepinwiththetimes
Email: eyesopen@ni.net.nf
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 31 March 2004
Time: 02:13:38 AM
Darsett,
Imagine where Aust. & the rest of the world would be without the ever increasing speeds of the internet. I for one hate sitting around waiting for things to load because the internet although fastest Norfolk has had is still slower than the broadband in Aust. Let's keep up with the times, as there is plenty to gain from fast internet speeds. Switch on soldier!! (Darsett)
Name: DarsEtt!
Email: DarsEtt@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 March 2004
Time: 04:16:49 PM
WAKE UP YOURLE! NO BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN!!!!!! NIDS HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW WITHOUT ITS 2-WAY SATELLITE UPLINK AND APPEAR TO BE DOING OK. AND LETS NOT FORGET WITHOUT REVENUE THERE WILL BE NO NORFOLK, WHICH MEANS THERE WILL BE NO 'NORFOLK FORUM' FOR US TO DREAM UP OUR LITTLE STORIES! (SHOT!)
Name: Tarlabird
Email: tarla@bird.norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 March 2004
Time: 12:33:29 PM
Shot Buff!! I like it!!
On another note, this was on radio australia the other morning:-
Norfolk Island urged to allow ISP competition
The government of Norfolk Island has been urged NOT to shut down the island's only independent internet service provider.
Last week, the legislature of the Australian Pacific territory voted in favour of an amendment to return control of all satellite internet connections to phone utility Norfolk Telecom.
The move was seen as an attempt to limit competition to the government-owned phone company by local satellite internet service provider, Norfolk Island Data Services.
But Australian Territories Minister, Senator Ian Campbell says he'll urge the local government to find a solution to keep the private company in business.
"I think it's vital that the government of Norfolk Island, with the cooperation of the Australian government, broker a solution that allows the internet service provider -- and in fact any other internet service provider -- to innovate and make sure Norfolk Islanders get the best benefit of modern technology. "
26/03/2004 05:44:35 | ABC Radio Australia News
Name: buff
Email: buff@shoal.net.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 March 2004
Time: 10:45:41 AM
Dear Lookabitdeeper, I think you have been looking a bit deeper, unfortunantly I think at the moment you are looking at your large intestine. A little bit deeper and you might actually see the **** you are stomaching. Do you realise that true Islanders don't really care about money, so they don't really care about tourist trade, the only thing we care about is OUR Island and OUR Families. That's the real reason AUSTRALIANS want to visit Norfolk. They get treated like human beings when they visit not like "Bloody tourist that are wrecking australia, buying all our golf course's on the gold coast". Lookabitdeeper I think what I'm really trying to say is that you can keep your head up your A**E, because that's where you seem to be getting all your info. Oh and by the way I think from now on I'll call you by the name "Mushroom".
Name: Tarlabird
Email: tarla@bird.norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 28 March 2004
Time: 10:44:04 AM
Well done to Grarbamoon and all the others with great replies to that "nerd" lookabitdeeper. They say ignorance is bliss, and we must feel sorry for this tosser!!
But Aussie politics aside, let's remember to look after Rob and NIDS. It is imperative that he is supported through all this Telecom competition with ISP services. Without Rob and us supporting him, we se hadd ett!! It is a typical case of the "boys looking after the boys" and all of us must support NIDS. SO go to NIDS on Monday and sign up for great service and support from his staff - (A heap more than you get from the other one). You won't be sorry. No need to wait until the S**T has hit the fan then say "if only"....that happens too often now. Give Rob and NIDS the support they and WE need now.
Name: nadaghostbud
Email: nadaghostbud@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 27 March 2004
Time: 01:18:38 AM
to Lookabitdeeper - Its people like you who makes us nervous that Australians will be able to come here and have a vote in our affairs after only a short time here - It sticks out that you know JACKS**T about the level of financial help Australia hands out to us,to say nothing about how the Island works. It costs the Island quite a bit to have the AFP here, as well as the Australian teachers etc etc.. .....I paid Australian Taxes for 15yrs but now I live on Norfolk (& Im not alone here) I have no claim to any Australian social services, Not that I want to be....Nauru can have my meagre bit...
Name: Caring Islander
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 10:15:45 PM
Lookabitdeeper - stick your head where the sun don't shine mate and keep your pathetic comments and lyrics to yourself. And NIDS - maybe you need to make the forum password a little more difficult to keep the plepps and drop kicks out of here. Maybe some Norfolk lingo might be the way to go???
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: Pacific@Peril
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 05:04:24 PM
& another thing 'Lookabitdeeper' ...if you want to have a *_credible_* tax-whinge/snivel, cop this:
March 26, 2004 - 1:59PM "Today the federal government, Treasurer Peter Costello and Prime Minister John Howard decided to take another $376 million each year off the taxpayers of NSW and send it to their relatives in Queensland," he said.
(ie. over the next five years NSW taxpayers will provide $15 billion in subsidies to other states ...NONE of it to NI btw.)
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/26/1079939834926.html
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 04:03:48 PM
Lookabitdeeper: The fundamental issue, sport, is that our people DID NOT CONTRACT TO *_REDEEM_* THIS MAGNIFICENT ISLAND FOR THE BRITISH 150 YEARS AGO ...ONLY TO BE SOLD DOWN THE CREEK TO CANBERRA.
Try to get your head around it cobber, cos it's an issue that aint going to fade away.
<>We were the FIRST FREE-SETTLERS of european descent, in Oceania.
<>We were the FIRST BI-CULTURAL COMMUNITY in Oceania ...our heritage is JUST AS MUCH Tahitian, as it is British.
<>The only thing we had in common with Australia - prior to 1856 - is that both of our peoples once mutinied against the same insufferable little-xxxxx.
[|]We have earned the *_RIGHT_* to determine our own destiny within Oceania.
As for the hoary old canard that we are somehow beholden to the australian taxpayer: read my lips pal ...B-U-L-L-X-X-X-X.
Canberra snookered between 350,000 to 400,000 square kilometres of Pacific Ocean EEZ, with it's abundundant marine resources & cornucopia of mineral & biological riches when it 'took over' Norfolk in 1914 ...not to mention an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier', conveniently situated a couple of thousand kilometres from the mainland, in the event of another shooting war in Oceania ...something which looks increasingly possible.
Canberra spends NO MORE on Norfolk than what is *_absolutely necessary_* to protect it's national interest/investment, in what it considers to be *_it's_* EEZ & eastern-most-border, salient.
Norfolk Island is THE ONLY Commonwealth domain not to receive one brass razoo under the Federal Gov'ts. horizontal fiscal equalization arrangements; remedy your ignorance by studying the following document:
National Forum on Commonwealth-State Funding http://www.reviewcommstatefunding.com.au/library/Allan%20Morris_CGC&HFE.pdf
Name: Searching
Email: searching@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 02:46:57 PM
Lookabitdeeper, I notice at the end of your submission, you added 'money for nothing and their chicks for free..' It's funny, I've been to Norfolk Is. and our aussie chicks over there cost just as much as they do here mate. The only difference is drinks cost half as much and the chicks drink twice as much. But if there are any free ones going, I'd say there wouldn't be too much class in the package deal!
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 01:34:07 PM
Too tru Buff furthermore it's only at that level that we can expect to have Norfolk move in the right direction fe ucklan. Speak more Norfolk and make decisions based on what’s good for our people not what is more profitable. Immigration and government should be in our own hands but who can we trust when there is so much money on the table and all decisions are based on profit? Lookdeeper, I'd say you need a break, maybe a few weeks home in Australia. In the meantime you should consider that Australia doesn't do Norfolk any financial favors. In fact they do the absolute minimum financially to keep Norfolk in the fold and under their control as we are a very important part of their security. The point isn't whether you Australians are good or bad, just that I along with most islanders/residents don't want them taking the place over.
Name: re-look a bit deeper
Email: 4
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 12:44:11 PM
dear look a bit deeper, why dont you live up to your name and look a bit deeper yourself
Name: Lookabitdeeper
Email: headsinthesand@yahoo.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Friday, 26 March 2004
Time: 11:58:52 AM
So Aus is such a bad place is it? I have a few solutions for your to deal with having such a backwater to your west....
Don't go to Australia. Don't send your kids to school or university there,( re boot Greeenwich Uni) don't let them holiday there, don't buy any goods or and don't accept any interest free loans. Instead, ask UK or NZ for an interest free loan (good luck). Create your own police force so you can sort your own domestic violence issues, thefts, arsen etc etc etc. God knows it exists here. In fact don't allow any Aussie's to tour here or work here. Don't let people from such a bad, horrible, disturbed place even hear about you. Bring all your Islanders home and do it yourselves. Live a subsistance lifestyle and concentrate on getting things right in your own back yard. that will solve your traffic problems (oh no, not another round about)
Perhaps Aus is also sick to death of the persistent groans too. Perhaps Aus taxpayers are sick of giving the Island Money for nothing and their chicks for free (go Dire Straits)
So is Norfolk Perfect in every way? I think not.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 25 March 2004
Time: 09:09:26 PM
Hello again, is there a memory book of all who have passed on with a photograph and a page about that person ? If not, wouldn't it be lovely to have one that you could all access and it could be added to as time and people pass on. Yours is such a rich history. Is there a home remedy book from way back available. The spelling of my email is taken from the 1973 version of the Sunshine Club cookbook which I always have. Seeya.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 25 March 2004
Time: 07:29:15 PM
Buff you are so right in what you say about family and belonging. Norfolk is so beautiful and I really love the way it used to be. The old saying " Home is where the Heart is " is so true. You have made me sit and think of a lot of the old ones who have now passed on and the memories are lovely.
Name: buff
Email: buff@shoal.net.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 25 March 2004
Time: 01:05:54 PM
Maybe it's time that Islanders aboard should find their way back home. I have myself lost to much of my heritage but am taking matters back into my own hands and moving back home. There is nothing greater in the world than the feeling you belong somewhere and knowing that family love you. So it's time to ensure that's the way Norfolk stays. For Family.
Name: buff
Email: buff@shoal.net.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 25 March 2004
Time: 01:05:29 PM
Maybe it's time that Islanders aboard should find their way back home. I have myself lost to much of my heritage but am taking matters back inot my own hands and moving back home. There is nothing greater in the world than the feeling you belong somewhere and knowing that family love you. So it's time to ensure that's the way Norfolk stays. For Family.
Name: Timitties Crack
Email: timittie.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 24 March 2004
Time: 04:36:29 PM
Hey yorlye - se too laet. Aussie se moosa in uwwus door en gutt nothing we ell do, cos dem too damn pig-headed. Ess petty we nor under England ulla New Zeland cos dem would treat ucklun batta. Aussie se bugger up dems own side, noe dem gwen do dems bass fer bugger up Norfolk. Sorry fer ucklun.
Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 March 2004
Time: 02:43:57 PM
wathing gwen orn. Yu se het ar nayl orn ar haid!
But brud, gut too much muny fe maek!
Name: whathing gwen orn
Email: hb
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 24 March 2004
Time: 01:36:48 PM
there are 2 inter tied issues concerning norfolk islanders. One is the influx of outsiders to our beautiful island, and the other is aust trying to overtake norfolk and determine our destiny for us. These 2 issues are interrelated, and believe me if aust continues to creep into norfolk, we will never be the same again, and much worse off than we are at present. At present we have some control of immigration, if we dont fight now, we will have none in the future.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: Oceania@Risk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 March 2004
Time: 07:35:40 PM
In just under a fortnight, the opening salvos of the biggest shakeup in Pacific *_security_* arrangements since WWII, will be fired, by current & formidable, South Pacific Forum Chairperson, NZ-PM. Hon. Helen Clark.
This meeting will determine the kind of Pacific Ocean environment (in the broadest sense of the word) ...within which, ALL our children will have to make their way in the world.
On the surface this "special meeting" has been engineered, so as to *_appear_* to be an 'initiative' of an 'Eminent Persons Group' of venerable Pacific Elders, broadly representative of the South Pacific Forum (paid for, however, by Canberra with a chip-in from Wellington); albeit, helpfully *_assisted_* by a 'Reflection Group' of unknown constituency.
What we have NOT been told about however, is the felicitous congruence between the "vision" for the Pacific's future conjured by the above-mentioned folk; & that crafted by Operations Research Analysts at the United States-Pacific Command's, Strategic Planning and Policy Directorate ...in order to ensure that the Pacific remains, "an American Lake".
ONGOING COVERAGE & ANALYSIS AT: http://nisdv.bravehost.com/storming_media.html
Name: Another Resident
Email: another@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 22 March 2004
Time: 01:10:36 PM
In relation to the submissions re the counsellor - right and true that it is good to have one, but it is difficult to relax with seeing this counsellor as she has had connection with the island years ago. It is always better to have a person who is not known to this community. For me - I call lifeline when needed , or go to Sydney to see my one there. Too many counsellors these days send you to the Doc when it gets too hard, and then they in turn 9 times out of 10, prescribes anti depressants! What good is this? those pills only "blank out" reality and act as a "crutch" when things seem tough. This is not against the person in the job - it is the reality of the situation - especially when Norfolk is supposedly broke!!
Name: Norfolk Resident
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 21 March 2004
Time: 05:29:49 PM
Re: ghosebud.nf entry I agree with most of what you say and you say it well but I don't agree with your bit about paying a counsellor. Norfolk does need a counsellor here on the island to conduct one on one, face to face consultations, especially with the bigger issues. Bigger issues have had to be dealt with in the past with fleeting counsellor visits with has proven to be pointless. I hope they keep the counsellor we have, you'd be surprised how well she has done in the short time she has been here and how many people can benefit from her services. Thanks.
Name: SENSATIONALISING HOMICIDE DOES NOT SOLVE IT
Email: miin_yorlis_bessness@lubbee_ucklun_loen_fe_miin_ouwas
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 21 March 2004
Time: 03:46:11 PM
THE MACDONALDIZATION OF 'NEWS(sic)-PRODUCTION' VIS-A-VIS NORFOLK:
Interesting to note that the 'news' article quoted by TC ie.
AUSTRALIA 'Aus tries to solve island's only murder' Posted Thu, 18 Mar 2004 http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/310494.htm
was sourced from south africa's leading "infotainment" enterprise - Primedia/Metropolis, who in turn printed it straight off the wire from an Agence-France Press 'Hack' based in Hong Kong - obviously knowing jackschitt about Norfolk. The following phrases should have been the giveaway:
"remote island outpost" "a normally sleepy community" "removed from their original home" "mass DNA and fingerprinting was carried out on the population"
Primedia has two divisions: Ster-Kinekor Films, incorporating Cinemark and Ster-Kinekor Theatres, a cinema chain; and Ster-Kinekor Entertainment, comprising Ster-Kinekor Pictures and Ster-Kinekor Home Entertainment. Without putting too fine a point on it, Primedia is a bargain-basement sth. african knock-off of Disney Corp.
As evidenced by the citations below, the overwhelming majority of print-media coverage of Norfolk is sourced from Australian Associated Press (AAP): a "wholesale" 'news' mill, which employs more than 200 'journalists' across Australia; News Corporation and Fairfax exercise joint control, with West Australian Newspapers and the Harris Group having minor shareholdings.
Every major news retailer in Australia accepts the AAP wire feed, giving it enormous penetration at least as a fall-back source of news for media outlets.
News Ltd is an Australian subsidiary of News Corporation (Chairman, Mr Rupert Murdoch). It has interests in more than one hundred national, metropolitan, regional and suburban newspapers throughout Australia. In terms of its share of circulation in Australia it has:
68 per cent of the capital city and national newspaper market; 77 per cent of the Sunday newspaper market; 62 per cent of the suburban newspaper market; 18 per cent of the regional newspaper market.
John Fairfax Holdings Ltd (Chairman,Dean Wills) is an Australian publishing group with no single dominant shareholder. Major shareholders include Bankers Trust Australia Ltd (8 per cent) and Tyndall Australia Ltd (10 per cent). ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The only intelligent commentary in this latest spate of media focus on the Patton homicide is this one:
Inquest may shed light on murder By Les Kennedy March 20, 2004 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/19/1079199418384.html ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The SMH is owned by John Fairfax Publications Pty. Ltd. which also owns The Age in Melbourne, & The Australian Financial Review.
Note that - even though AAP has considerably toned-down it's previous salacious/sensationalist spin on this 'story' - not even ONE of the following print-media blurbs re. the current refocus on Norfok is attributed to an actual JOURNALIST/REPORTER: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Reward boosted in Norfolk Is murder case ABC Online, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST & SOURCE UNATTRIBUTED
Norfolk murder reward tripled The Age, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE AAP
Norfolk Island murder cash tripled NEWS.com.au, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE AAP
Norfolk Island murder cash tripled Melbourne Herald Sun, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE UNATTRIBUTED
Norfolk Island murder cash tripled The Australian, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE AAP
Reward boosted in Norfolk Is murder case ABC Regional Online, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE UNATTRIBUTED
Norfolk Island murder cash tripled Advertiser, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE AAP
Norfolk Island murder cash tripled Brisbane Courier Mail, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE AAP
Norfolk Island murder cash tripled Daily Telegraph, Australia - 18 Mar 2004 JOURNALIST UNATTRIBUTED: SOURCE AAP
Name: ghosebud
Email: ghosebud.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 21 March 2004
Time: 07:00:57 AM
Nadaghostbud congratulationd on your entry. You are so correct in what you say. The whole murder issue is a mystery as alot could and should have been done initially. This is a true case of shutting the gate AFTER the horse has bolted. Yep, we are supposed to be broke, yet more and more jobs are being created, reward money increasing, and paying a counsellor when lifeline is available 24/7 - and now the AFP back in island for another holiday!! Almost 2 years, a small rock and the murderer still at large SOMEWHERE!! The whole incident is a damn joke and I just feel so sorry for Janelle's parents and family. Our system is laughable and the BBC would have a great time making a comedy show out of current occurrences on this beautiful island which uwwus own people are STUFFING up!! No wonder RACON are writing letters and good on whoever yorlye ess. It shows there are some people out there with BALLS!!
Name: nadaghostbud.
Email: nadaghostbud.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 March 2004
Time: 11:19:04 PM
$300,000.00 reward for information leading to arrest of culprit of our first murder - What intriques me is bout ucklans Government getten dem money - Dem tullen we se broke - nort? And also why Canberra so keen to putup money as well... ESPECIALLY when relations between our Government & Canberra are at an all time low and they have so many unsolved murders in their own back yard...Perhaps the're guilty because for 4 days they led the community to think it was a hit and run accident gone wrong - rather than tell it as it was...I suspect Canberra gagged our police until they got their own men here - Why else would it take them from Sunday to Thursday to make the grusome announcement and then another day before they posted a photograph of Janelle for people who might not have known her. Had they acted immediately it might all be behind us now....The Culprit couldve managed to get to the other side of the globe before we were told the facts...
I hope the case is soon solved and also hope the reward plays no part in it....
Name: nadaghostbud.
Email: nadaghostbud.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 March 2004
Time: 11:19:02 PM
$300,000.00 reward for information leading to arrest of culprit of our first murder - What intriques me is bout ucklans Government getten dem money - Dem tullen we se broke - nort? And also why Canberra so keen to putup money as well... ESPECIALLY when relations between our Government & Canberra are at an all time low and they have so many unsolved murders in their own back yard...Perhaps the're guilty because for 4 days they led the community to think it was a hit and run accident gone wrong - rather than tell it as it was...I suspect Canberra gagged our police until they got their own men here - Why else would it take them from Sunday to Thursday to make the grusome announcement and then another day before they posted a photograph of Janelle for people who might not have known her. Had they acted immediately it might all be behind us now....The Culprit couldve managed to get to the other side of the globe before we were told the facts...
I hope the case is soon solved and also hope the reward plays no part in it....
Name: Me gaen
Email: timittie.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 20 March 2004
Time: 09:19:50 PM
And even more news. Norfolk is surely hitting the headlines worldwide. Aus tries to solve island's only murder Posted Thu, 18 Mar 2004
Australia on Thursday tripled a reward for clues to solving the only murder in the history of a remote island outpost that was settled by descendents of mutineers from the HMS Bounty.
After two years of fruitless investigation, Justice Minister Chris Ellison said the reward for information leading to the conviction of the killer of Janelle Patton on Norfolk Island was being raised from A$100 000 ($74 000) to A$300 000.
Norfolk, a normally sleepy community of 1800 located 1300 kilometres off Australia's east coast in the Tasman sea, was thrown into turmoil by Patton's murder in March 2002.
First recorded murder on island
The 29-year-old restaurant manager's stabbed body was found wrapped in plastic sheeting and dumped at a secluded picnic spot, in the first recorded murder in almost 150 years of settlement on the island.
It was previously best known as the place where descendents of the mutineers from the HMS Bounty settled in 1856 after they were removed from their original home at Pitcairn Island.
Police force of three bolstered
In response to the murder, Australian Federal Police investigators were sent to bolster the island's three-man force, and mass DNA and fingerprinting was carried out on the population.
But the killer remains at large and Norfolk Island Chief Minister Geoff Gardner said authorities were determined to find those responsible.
"We hope that the increased reward amount will lead to the resolution of this serious crime and bring to an end this distressing period," he said.
AFP
Name: Timitties Crack
Email: timittie.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 20 March 2004
Time: 09:16:49 PM
More interesting news............surely someone is feeling very nervous right now.. The murder of Sydney woman Janelle Patton continues to haunt the tiny island of Norfolk.
Almost two years since her body was discovered, wrapped in black plastic sheeting in a rain-soaked picnic area, an inquest may shed light on who police believe may be the murderer.
But federal police investigating the murder would not comment on whether the inquest, loosely scheduled to be held over three days either late next month or at the end of May, signalled that their leads have dried up.
The murder last March of Ms Patton, 29, who was a manager at a hotel restaurant, was the first on Norfolk Island in 152 years.
In the absence of any DNA evidence, police have spent the past year trying to identify partial hand prints found on the plastic sheeting in which Ms Patton's body was wrapped.
About 1300 of the island's 2600 permanent residents have volunteered their palm and fingerprints to police, in a process of elimination that it is hoped will find the killer.
The police would not say how many of the 700 visitors and tourists on the island at the time of the murder, the majority from NSW, had volunteered their prints at local police stations.
The island's Chief Magistrate, Ron Cahill, was appointed as coroner two weeks ago.
Mr Cahill has yet to indicate the duration of the inquest or whether some hearings will occur on the mainland, the island's prosecutors office said yesterday.
Federal police detectives returned to the island late last week for follow-up inquiries.
Their return coincides with the Norfolk Legislative Assembly's decision to raise the reward for information on the murder to $300,000.
Name: Bojangles
Email: BetterThanByron@Norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 March 2004
Time: 02:02:46 PM
if you've surfed into this site from anywhere around the world you really should pencil this one into your travel diary - none of the hype, drug-shite, bad-karma or overcrowding of Byron Bay, but at least thrice the natural beauty, along with fantastic food, great hosts, sublime music AND duty-free shopping to boot!
Island rocks to rhythm By VINCENT ROSS 20mar04 THE third annual Rhythm on the Rock Norfolk Jet Jazz Festival will be held on Norfolk Island from December 4 to 11.
Performers lined up include the Don Burrows Quartet, Kevin Hunt (piano), vocalist Catherine Hunter, Galapagos Duck and George Washingmachine, jazz violinist, actor and comedian.
Holiday jazz packages, with airfares from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, seven nights' accommodation and car hire plus The Jazz Pass (tickets to two performances and a souvenir pack) are priced from $1089 a person.
For more information, phone Norfolk Jet Holidays on 1800 111 653 or hit the website www.norfolkjet.com.au
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,8995112%255E24389,00.html
Name: Resident
Email: owneverything@ni.net.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 March 2004
Time: 09:11:41 AM
Hey the Norfolk Island Government should list themselves on the Stock Exchange...They want to own everything...so they are a dead set money spinner! But how come they are broke???
Rob you have provided a great service to Norfolk Island,if it wasn't for your determination and forthought we would never of had an internet service.
The very same people that are claiming everything for themselves rejected the internet when it was in its infancy and said that it would never happen on Norfolk island. Now the spoilt brats want to take it and own it.
Rob you have many that appreciate and support you.
Name: One Phantom
Email: ghosebud.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 19 March 2004
Time: 07:22:49 PM
Look out whoever committed the gruesome crime,.....your days are definitely numbered - $300,000 can do a hellava lot in this world, and someone will squeal on you!! Tread very carefully and watch behind you.....thay are about to tap on your shoulder! Tables turn full circles.
Name: Inspector Gadget
Email: .@-
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 19 March 2004
Time: 05:15:39 PM
Duano, this AMERICAN 'university' failed to meet the stringent standards of academic rigour required to operate within an Australian jurisdiction in general & Norfolk Island in particular: accordingly it was sent packing back to CALIFORNIA as per http://www.dest.gov.au/highered/quality/greenwich.htm
Name: Duane Horn
Email: Duane.horn@comcast.net
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 19 March 2004
Time: 02:41:10 PM
I'm checking on a college by the name of Greenwich University. Does this University still headquarter on Norfolk Island? How can I find the e-mail address for this school?
Thanks,
Duane
Name: Timitties Crack
Email: timittiescrack.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 19 March 2004
Time: 01:26:46 PM
That is AU$300,000 reward and a lot of dough. Let's hope someone blows the whistle on the culprit/s!
Name: Timitties Crack
Email: timittiescrack.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 19 March 2004
Time: 01:24:58 PM
The latest news............Reward money tripled for information on Norfolk Island murder
The reward for information about Norfolk Island's only recorded murder has been tripled.
Two years ago, on Easter Sunday, the body of 29-year-old Janelle Patten was found wrapped in a plastic sheet.
Last year, police asked all of the Island's residents between the ages of 15 and 70 to agree to be fingerprinted, in a bid to track down the murderer.
They also sought fingerprints from some of the 400 visitors to the Island that weekend.
Now the Australian Government and the Norfolk Island Administration have announced they'll increase the reward for information leading to a conviction in the case from $US 75,000 to $US 225,000.
19/03/2004 08:20:35 | ABC Radio Australia News
Name: Cah Do
Email: cahdo.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 March 2004
Time: 09:51:46 PM
In the news........... Norfolk Island to grant state-run phone company satellite monopoly
The Australian Territory of Norfolk Island has approved legislation to grant a state-run phone company a monopoly on satellite telecommunications.
But our reporter, James Panichi, says critics of the law fear internet development on the island could be compromised.
Norfolk Island's Minister for Finance, Graeme Donaldson, says private internet service providers on the island have nothing to fear from the changes.
But Robert Ryan, owner of Norfolk Island Data Services, says a monopoly of satellite use will make state utility Norfolk Telecom the sole service provider.
And that, he says, is bad news for internet users.
"The restrictive nature that it brings across internet development into the future particularly brings it terribly out of line with how the internet itself actually works," Mr Ryan said.
Norfolk Telecom, which is owned and run by the local administration, provides the island with an annual income of $US890,000.
The Norfolk Island assembly granted Data Services access to satellite technology in 1999, on the condition that it not detract from Norfolk Telecom's revenues.
Name: C. Christiansen
Email: cbc@iiprimus.netau
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 17 March 2004
Time: 12:53:10 PM
What a beautiful island you must have. The pictures on this site are great. Good to see you all standing up for your rights. Keep it up and don't allow the powers to be to bully you around. Look where it has got this country and its people. We hope to visit one day.
Name: Quack Quack
Email: duckpond.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 15 March 2004
Time: 04:03:03 PM
Hear there's a new type of duck hunting and water diving introduced using the watermill dam. When can we book in for some lessons?? Let's hope there weren't any "lame" (lol) excuses as to what really happened.
Name: test
Email: test
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 14 March 2004
Time: 02:24:41 PM
test
Name: Rob
Email: NIDS
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 06:38:32 PM
estrue
“the issue is nids have chosen stop contributing to the islands revenue by bypassing telecom system altogether for the past few months.”
We did not choose to bypass telecom, we had no choice, we needed Megabytes per second of data, 128kbs at $5350.00 / month plus data is not a choice.
Telecom charged us $4.00 per hour 24 hours a day 365 days a year with no discount.
We took this money from the community gave it to telecom they gave it to admin who spent it on behalf of the community.
By bypassing telecom not only has our connection to the NET improved but our costs have been reduced.
We were mindful of the $3000.00 / month that admin would not get to spend.
So we passed the savings that we made back to the community as well as the money we would send to New Zealand for our down link by reducing our charges.
So the community actually got more money than before the only difference is that the community gets to choose what to spend the money on.
Not only that but telecom dropped their prices for there customers.
I’m sorry but I just love it when every one is a winner.
Rob.
Name: What_Fun
Email: Juicy_Goss@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 05:53:50 PM
Interesting that you mention KAVHA "blank". A few different ways of looking at this, some positive, some negative. How's this for size: The Australian Government has a co-funded arrangement between itself and the Norfolk Island Government to maintain an area of cultural and historical concern to Australia. In the meanwhile it denies that Norfolk Islanders as a people exist and thereby deny a people the right to live in their homeland. In my heart, Australia does not and never will represent to me what Norfolk Island does. It is not and never will be my homeland. Many people make up this Island, not just Pitcairn Descendants, and I hope this Island represents to all of them what it does to me.
Name: joe a friend
Email: joe@camphorlaurel.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 05:29:13 PM
Hi (again), has the Norfolk Island SHOW been scrapped, or what, I do not see ANY MENTION of the 'Show, or an/y Open Day at the SCHOOL, to which I need to go on my next visit this year; and I need to meet with Rob', of the NI internet provider's office, El Presidento' . I would truly appreciate contact with you, to my email, esp. if you will be there in June this year. (?) Cheers joe a friend
Name: joe a friend
Email: joe@camphorlaurel.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 05:25:24 PM
I like the way you discretely separate NI from Australia, but is the inc.connection to/with the Pacific Islands worthy of mention in this context? I'd like to see the old Camphor laurels around the NI School slowly phased-out, as part of an NI-Bird regeneration initiative; it has now been proved that Camphor laurel berries are toxic/sterilise a range of avian fauna, albeit slowly; it is just possible that NI bird species have suffered and been seriously impacted by regularly/annually feeding on the Camphor laurel trees there; all school/s should have high-quality Environmental Mgt Plans across Australia these days; surely the NI School should stay in the forefront of this development; please pass-on the message tot he approropriate staff. Thanks Sincerely, joe a friend, Director/ Camphor laurel Research Centre, Lismroe & Tweed Heads, NSW.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 04:45:51 PM
Cheers 'blank' & 'What_Fun!!!' ...I have to concede that I had not in fact heard of 'KAVHA' until perusing http://www.dotars.gov.au/terr/norfolk/kavha.htm just now; I take it your reference is to: "KAVHA is jointly managed by the Federal and Norfolk Island Governments..." etc. (??)
'What_Fun!!!' - you're probably aware that the first Pacific Islands offshore financial centre was pioneered on Norfolk Island in 1966; IF the Feds. had 'regulated' rather than 'strangled' this fledgling service industry, ALL Norfolk Islanders would today be on Swiss levels of per-capita income ...OR BETTER.
Yet the irony is that there is undoubtedly a positive benefit to be gained for the world economy through tax competition; Malaysia & the ASEAN region eg. are reaping huge benefits from the latters Labuan IOFC.
There is absolutely no reason why Norfolk could not become the foremost "world's-best-practice" (ie. according to OECD criteria) IOFC; to the extreme benefit of ALL concerned, including the ATO.
Name: Ohh D' Gude
Email: owerya@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 01:01:51 PM
Hey Yorlye
Unae whutt a beautiful dae orn Norfolk dess dae?? Dar sun shinen, gutt one good breeze enn em cattle hawwen a good time, enn gutt some good jives comen crorse d' air.
Keep smilen, be happy enn positive - coss too gude fer be ya.
Name:
Email: @thepontoon
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 12:48:50 PM
Some interesting ideas and issues below.
If anyone did want to get a message across to Canberra, Federal Parliament is conducting an inquiry into competition in broadband services and an inquiry into measures that might help bring telecommunications networks up to an adequate level to ensure rural and regional areas can obtain access to adequate telecommunications services.
The Senate Standing Committee on Environment, Communications, Information Technology and the Arts is conducting both inquiries. See
Inquiry into competition in broadband services at http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/ecita_ctte/broadband_competition/index.htm
Inquiry into the Australian Telecommunications Network - at http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/ecita_ctte/tele_network/index.htm
If you thought it worth it, there is still time to make a submission. They can be sent by email to ecita.sen@aph.gov.au. The web site address is www.aph.gov.au/senate_environment.
Name: What_Fun!!!
Email: juicy_goss@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 11:35:54 AM
WOW! big ideas n' stuff. Not bad grarbamoon, a grip, however tenuous, is still a grip. Actually we're totally Satellite here with the old ANZCAN cable dead in the water. A spur was a realistic option when the cable was being laid but the ever helpful Aussie gov turned a blind eye (can't say ours did the best job either) and the local community couldn't support the cost. In hindsight maybe, but not then. Now the cost is somewhat prohibitive, even with what NTN has in the coffers. So Satellite it is folks, and what a Grand Satellite it is!! Actually some of your ideas have a bit of merit, somewhat like the offshore finance option that the government here has. Not a pie in the sky dream as some may think but a well researched & well founded idea with tentative approval from ministers & ministries in the Australian government. I believe the premise is not for Norfolk to be "offshore" banking, but to be a tax free location for funds that will be used for investment in Australia. Run by large & creditable banks (ABN AMRO comes to mind - they're BIG) who are ready to do this & are ready to bear the cost of setup. All NI has to do is skim an infintesimal amount off the top (a simple duty) and BLAM!! there goes our funding issues. Australia is happy because the money ends up there. The banks are happy because they take their cut (an extra cut because the money currently resides in the channel, or the bahamas, etc). And we are happy because the funds from this can be used to improve all manner of things, shipping, the airport, roads, electricity infrastructure, the list goes on. So simple, so far along, and all you get from the current LA when you ask about it is monosyllabic responses, not much more than a grunt. Golly, what a rant! Got a right old bee up my bonnet on this one. I guess my point is, why bring up new things when there are VERY plausible funding options on the table? Lets get what is there either implemented or put to rest completely, not left flapping about like a fish half out of water.
Name: blank
Email: blank
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 March 2004
Time: 11:23:34 AM
Grarbamoon - have you ever heard of KAVHA?
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 07:57:03 PM
First of all let me say it's great to see a healthy direct/participatory democracy in feisty action via this Forum!! ...ai reckon orl dem douna'toun se gut ar messej. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Surely the *_real_* issue is growing a bigger telco-cake through the development of viable tele-services industries on Norfolk, rather than 'finessing' distribution of the current slices. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I for one can remember when Rob was an 'iwwi' freckled kid nicknamed chipmunk - he's obviously grown up into the kind of entrepreneur that Norfolk needs & the NI Gov't. should be encouraging.
I've just had a look at the Norfolk Telecom site & can find no info. on current bandwidth/infrastructure issues, so I assume the Island's main data-pipe is still the clunky old ANZCAM coaxial analogue, pumping data to the max at 14MHz on the Canada side (1380 channel) & a whopping 5 MHz on the NZ segment (480 channel).
If the Federal Gov't. were really serious about setting Norfolk on the road to economic self-sufficiency it could do no better than broker a deal - under the auspices of it's 'Networking the Nation' program - to fund the running of a spur line to Norfolk, from the Fiji hub of the Southern Cross Cable Network.
This would deliver a data-pipe fat enough to enable enterprises such as WBT (cf. http://www.webbasedtraining.com/default.aspx), call-centres, data processing zones, tele-medicine and the full range of other tele-service industries to establish on Norfolk; not to mention opportunities in multimedia and cable TV at secure, high-speed service-levels.
The Southern Cross Cable Network is a fiber optic cable stretching from Australia and New Zealand to the U.S. mainland via Fiji and Hawaii:
Segment A: Alexandria, Sydney, Australia to Whenuapai, Auckland, New Zealand Segment B: Whenuapai, Auckland, New Zealand to Takapuna, Auckland, New Zealand Segment C: Takapuna, Auckland, New Zealand to Spencer Beach, Hawaii, Hawaiian Islands Segment D: Spencer Beach, Hawaii, Hawaiian Islands to Morro Bay, California, US Mainland
Segments A and C operate at 40 Gbit/s per fibre pair on 3 fibre pairs. Segment D and operates at 40 Gbit/s per fibre pair on 4 fibre pairs. Each fibre pair is capable of being upgraded to 160Gbit/s. One fibre pair upgraded to 160Gbit/s began operation in 2002. Segment B is land based using terrestrial transmission technologies, the remainder are submerged plant segments using submarine cable WDM (Wavelength Division Multiplexing)technology.
In short this is big-wire, offering massive bandwidth - mostly unutilized - & huge upscale capacity.
For just one example of a 'greenfields' industry that could be a nice little earner for Norfolk, lets look at the potential for Norfolk-based WBT.
One of the most successful business studies programs on offer in Europe at present is the MSc in International Banking and Finance from the Isle of Man International Business School ( http://www.ibs.ac.im/courses/degree/msc_banking/index.asp )- tailored specifically to the needs of the International Offshore Financial Centre(IOFC)Industry.
There is simply NOTHING equivalent to this in the southern hemisphere.
Yet, this course is actually *_franchised_* by the IBS from Liverpool's John Moores University, who award the Degree. The course is offered subject to the ongoing approval of the IBS by JMU.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why the same course could not be offered online from Norfolk at *_substantially_* less production cost, IF adequate bandwidth were available; in fact the current Government House would make a perfect campus nucleus for a *_'Norfolk Island International Offshore Financial Centre Institute'_*. As the campus grows it could extend over to the fields opposite the old Officers Baths area.
What more spectacular campus setting in the whole wide world could there be for an IOFC business school?!? What better or cleaner high-tech industry could Norfolk hope for.
The NI Gov't. or local entrepreneurs could very easily contract with the Bond University Faculty of Business (http://www.bond.edu.au/bus/degrees/pgpro/ ) to actually deliver the course online; & with a company such as Tyco Telecommunications, Ltd. eg. ( http://www.tycotelecom.com/pdfs/TGN_Fact_Sheet.pdf ) to finance & lay, state-of-the-art [ie. seamless global connectivity supporting a wide variety of transmission protocols including IP, ATM, Frame Relay and Gig-e etc. plus channelization allowing the aggregatation of voice, data and Internet traffic at adjustable transmission rates as needed] cable.
And for those thinking that satellite is the way to go, just bear in mind that direct fiber-optic connectivity delivers significantly more bandwidth and access to full point-to-point circuits. Currently, the industry standard of one full circuit at 155 mb/s costs c@ US$3 million annually by satellite. That same circuit run through a fiber-optic cable would cost a fraction of that- c@ US$82,560; ie. cable reduces bandwidth costs from c@ US$42,805 per mb/s, to c@ US$553 per mb/s, and that discount can be passed along to consumers.
If the Federal Gov't. were to work hand in hand & in good faith, with the NI Gov't. & local entrepreneurs such as Rob, then idea's such as this one could be 'dollars in the pocket' for ALL Islanders; rather than 'pie in the sky' for the skeptics.
Name: estrue
Email: estrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 07:34:39 PM
Telemedicine equipment has been around for 12 mths, fibre for 6 months. use is growing and while not of benefit to every case it will continue to benefit those who require fast transmission of graphics. As far as choice goes - your right - some people refuse to deal with telecom and others refuse to deal with nids - they have that choice - nobody is changing that. Thats not the issue here - the issue is nids have chosen stop contributing to the islands revenue by bypassing telecom system altogether for the past few months. As other people and even rob has pointed out, if the island loses telecom revenue, then welcome land rates, income taxes, the nids levy.. call it what you like ...the money has to come from somewhere. This rubbish - that it will shut nids down - is purely emotional crap with no basis in fact. He has been connected to telecom for nearly 6 years and still made money.
Name: Aussie
Email: Aussie@beach
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 03:37:33 PM
Dear Estrue, my apologies, could you tell me when tele-medicine began ? I did wonder about the Tens of thousands of dollars mentioned. I don't use Telstra because of issues and what is nice is that I had a choice to take my business to another carrier. Don't you think you have the right to the same. Competition and choice benefits everyone.
Email: estrue@norfolkThe following is a direct quote from Mr Ryan at the National Capital and External Territories, Joint Standing Committee into Communications on the 16 June 1998. Certainly food for thought.
Full Transcript is at : http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j1732.pdf
Ryan : I am not too sure what Telstra’s prices are; I have never been told. Telecom pricing seems to be adequate, it seems to be working, bearing in mind that it is a revenue earner for the island. So we have to accept a higher price here. That is just one of the facts of living on Norfolk. Because we do not pay income tax, the money has to come from somewhere. So that is just one of the things that happens. Obviously we would all like it nice and cheap. But, if the money is not raised in that form, it would have to come from somewhere else. But people are still using the Internet adequately.
Name: What_Fun!!!
Email: juicy_goss@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 10:23:57 AM
My goodnes JTD! That's a little like saying 1 + 1 + 1 = 7. Did you always take shortcuts when doing puzzles? I bet some of them looked quite alarming. Actually I think UCS has maybe hit the nail on the head. Some questions for everyone to ponder: How much tax did anyone who lives on this island pay last year? How does the government get money for all the services that are provided to the community? How much money from levies or duties (Customs, Norfolk Telecom, Liquor Bond, Cigarettes, Fuel, etc) went directly into the community coffers last year? Does this mean that all businesses or persons who bring goods & services to the island contribute in some way? Is there a company who is trying to use a loophole in a current act to bypass this?
Name: typical
Email: m@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 09:21:55 AM
I am glad that some sensible and balanced entries have been entered. People are to quick to go off their head without researching or looking at the facts. Norfolk or th L Assembly too often get bagged without people knowing the facts, and this is playing right into the hands of the australians because it is in their interest for us to be divided. Lets get behind norfolk and our government and be optimistic and constructive
Name: Bugs
Email: bugs@admin.gov.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 08:57:47 AM
Hi Amazed, Yes our prices will be higher - there are reasons but this is not the place for me to explain out of courtesy to Rob. I would call that advertising. Needless to say, some will want Robs' service, some will want Norfolk Telecoms' service, each will have their own reasons. Cheers, bugs
Name: Using Common Sense
Email: somefacts@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 08:21:59 AM
It seems that NIDS forum page has successfully missinformed many people about the actual situation. One must not forget that Norfolk Telecom provides good communications to its people, better than most other jurasdictions enjoy, and is used to put revenue back into the community. NIDS has exploited the administration of the .nf domain for many years now. Many in the comunity believe that this is MONEY THAT SHOULD BELONG TO THE ISLAND COMMUNITY. He should worry that the can of worms that he has opened up does not result in the Community taking back .nf similar to what they have done on Niue and Pitcairn Island. These two Islands decided that the internet domain belongs to the people of the country and Niue is now able to offer free internet to the whole Island from the money generated from the domain administration of .nu We swapped to Norfolk Telecoms ISP because of poor service from the NIDS conection. Since doing this we now get our emails on time and do not drop out during rainy days.
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 10 March 2004
Time: 01:17:31 AM
Its worth remebering that most of Norfolks inflated prices - on telecoms, power, fuel, food etc are all due to our isolation/distance from the rest of the world and the sheer economy of numbers. For example does anyone remember what the software upgrade was for the Ericsson hardware at Norfolk Telecom to overcome Y2K fears? about $1,000,000 if I recall correctly. Thats a heck of a lot of money to find in a community of 1,800 - just to avoid melt down on the 1st Jan 2000. But imagine the noise in here if they weren't prepared and the system had crashed, for a few weeks. Its all to easy to complain about NIG - but in many ways those are the costs of living in Paradise - take it or leave it.
Name: amazed
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 10:19:10 PM
When adding up Nor Tel (pun intended) wireless installation and running cost I was amazed at the excessive pricing. $1720 for the "locked in" first twelve months.You dont even get to own the wireless transciever which can be purchased for less than $250.00 www.info.gov.nf/gazette/2004/2004_02_20_GazetteNo9.doc for Norfolk Telecom Pricing. My wireless net connection will certainly be with Nids.
Name: Join the dots
Email: join@dots.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 05:54:56 PM
The amendments to the act will give the Government the teeth to tell NIDS to turn off their Satellite dish. No dish and they are out off business. Every one will have to use Telecom.
That’s a law passed by the Norfolk Government to take over a successful private business.
It’s pretty clear to me.
Name: What_Fun!!!
Email: juicygoss@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 05:33:16 PM
Well jeeperz "blank", and what if I do? This is a forum is it not? You know? Forum: noun, 1b : a public meeting place for open discussion (source Mirriam Webster Online http://www.m-w.com). Even if I do work for admin, have I stated whether I am for or against what is going on? No, all I am doing is asking YOU to make an INFORMED decision, not just go along with everything sprouted on this page..... Anyone hear about the lady who died in a car accident outside Marks bakery the other day. Yeah, that's the first report I got. Funny though, ask a couple of relevant questions of the right people & it turns out there was an accident but she gude. I reckon they should just put springs on the bottom of those poles.
Name: It must be true - I saw it on the forum
Email: estrue@hospital.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 05:07:00 PM
Thats the way aussie, dont let the truth get in the way of a good bagging for the government. The hospital has tens of thousands of dollars of camera equipment for telemedicine. They have computers for the purpose. They have an optic fibre connection to the internet. The system is being used and has proven beneficial. So Aussie check your facts and dont create rumours and innuendo without basis.
Name: blank
Email: blank
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 04:16:13 PM
sounds like what_fun may work for the administration...
Name: What_Fun!!!
Email: juicy_goss@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 03:55:04 PM
Well now "ent me", I'm not sure I understand how an amendment to the telecommunications act as gazzetted some 2 weeks ago (see http://www.info.gov.nf/gazette/2004/2004_02_20_GazetteNo9.doc) has any bearing on the authorisation of aquisition of property. Since you seem to have a good grip on the NI Act I take it you do read these things .....
Name: ent me
Email: @hoem
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 02:53:42 PM
Rob - Get yourself a good lawyer and ask him to check out section 19(2)(a) of the Norfolk Island Act.
Name: What_fun!
Email: juicygoss@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 01:37:27 PM
WOW - facts to the max!!! I love this page. I wonder if everybody on this website believes verbatim what they read or if they go out and do a little research to get alternate views and opinions. Even without asking around I could imagine that any attempt by the government to "take over" (not my quote) NIDS would have the ministers who are supposedly doing this pretty worried as most of them have their own businesses. That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face don't you think? Ah yes, thinking, independant thought, a commodity Rob has, question is, do you?
Name: Aussie
Email: aussie@beach
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 11:20:26 AM
Good on you nuffsnuff and supporters of Rob. Stand the NIG up and make them answer questions with one voice and that being the majority of people on Norfolk. Make them answer truthfully why there is still no tele-medicine on Norfolk . Where has the allocated money for that gone. Greed and nopotism mentioned by the JSC seems to be coming to the fore and the NIG has thrown caution to the wind. Rob runs a legal thriving business and has been generous in his success. They could have had it and they laughed at him and didn't want it. They are a bunch of greedy bullies. Why wait for the elections, tip them out with a vote of no confidence . For everyone's sake. NIG has held the island and people who live there to ransom for years.
Name: HETTAE TAX
Email: geddenett.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 09 March 2004
Time: 08:44:11 AM
Come on Aussie come on....come on If the local givernment had done their job properly in the first place AND over the years,...we wouldn't be in the S H I T we are in. The JSC more or less have said that in their report so to make them look a bit human, they are picking on the "little guy". How typical. God help anyone else who is in business and might be a threat to the Govt. Next thing you know, they will be taking over restaurants and clubs or anyone else who might be succeedding in making a buck or two. This sort of action should make us ALL stop and think at the next elections! Good on you Rob - you've done well.
Country: Norfolk IslandI agree with all the previous postings. Rob you have done Norfolk proud with all that you have done in the internet field. If you were tackling NI Telecom with cheaper phone calls the they would have a bitch. As you have stated, you are not in the phone business. For the Government (and I use that term loosely) to change the Legislation to close a Private Business is bordering on Communism. Do we want another Government monopoly that is over administered and over rated and that overcharges? I think not. I say lets get up a petition and take this Government to task. Hell, lets call for a referendum like they did for the mobile phones that we didnt need. They couldnt even get that right. I call on all NIDS supporters to write a letter to the Assembly and voice your opinions.
Name: Nuffsnuff
Email: notat@ninetnf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 08:14:16 PM
I agree with all the previous postings. Rob you have done Norfolk proud with all that you have done in the internet field. If you were tackling NI Telecom with cheaper phone calls the they would have a bitch. As you have stated, you are not in the phone business. For the Government (and I use that term loosely) to change the Legislation to close a Private Business is bordering on Communism. Do we want another Government monopoly that is over administered and over rated and that overcharges? I think not. I say lets get up a petition and take this Government to task. Hell, lets call for a referendum like they did for the mobile phones that we didnt need. They couldnt even get that right. I call on all NIDS supporters to write a letter to the Assembly and voice your opinions.
Name: Aussie
Email: aussie@beach.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 07:31:33 PM
Why would anyone be surprised at what NIG is trying to do to Rob... This is the man who offered them .nf and they didn't want it. That was the first indication of a government with no brains.. Rob is the man who offered to give Norfolk Tele-medicine for ten thousand dollars. NIG thought that was a bit stupid because they had eighty thousand set aside.. Hello is there anyone home on that one. Rob is also the man who told the NIG that if they wanted to bring in mobile phone access he could do it if I remember rightly at a third of the cost . What a stupid offer it appears. Why would one want to get something cheaper and probably better. That sort of attitude doesn't come across as a foward thinking government looking out for Ucklun. Rob Ryan has offered the NIG opportunity after opportunity and the and the small selfish minds of the chosen few have chosen to stop progress for the rest of the island.Could it be tall poppy syndrome ? Rob just gets on with life and must wonder at the stupid behaviour of people who want to hold the island to ransom. Rob Ryan is good for Norfolk Island, god help you without him.
Name: disgusted
Email: ladder-for-pot-holes@ansonbay.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 12:16:32 PM
perhaps the 20% tax on fuel goes to the other half of Admin staff's provident. Who knows
Name: i'm worried too
Email: norfolkisland
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 10:58:20 AM
Yeah, I agree with up ina ar stick
what about Gas and Fuel to the island.
Name: Up yenna
Email: upyeanna@NIDS.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 10:26:28 AM
Keep all the support comments flowing yorlye!! Good to see. If a petition comes out -make sure you sign it. NIDS is the best!
Name: up ina ar stick
Email: uwas_home@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 10:11:34 AM
so, if they (the Government) can take the ISP away from NIDS. Whats next Foodland, Accomodation, shipping. Just what is their problem?
Maybe it should be let out of the bag.
Does anyone have a problem with cheaper internet prices?
Especially when the cost of living on Norfolk is going through the roof. Wake up Norfolk Island Government.
Name: One of Ucklun
Email: footalarn@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 09:57:02 AM
Well done to all who have contributed support for NIDS. It is not one bit surprising that the NIG would stoop down low to take a successful business away from a local who has done well for himself and also helped others. Yep - the upcoming elections will certainly be interesting given the fact the electoral format has been changed. Proper!! Now we will see just how fair the voting system will be. Norfolk Telecom needs competition and let's face it - the opportunity was there and Rob got in first. Tuff Titties to Telecom. I agree 700% for a petition and will be there to sign it in support of NIDS. Let's hope all those who are clients of Rob's will rally to his support to stop Telecom monopolising Norfolk's ISP. How much more do they and Admin want to rip us off????
Name: DOMINE
Email: NORFOLK4NORFOLK@NORFOLK.NF
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 08 March 2004
Time: 12:42:54 AM
Competition is healthy,look at the cost of our overseas phone calls. Norfolk Telecom effectively blocks any calls off the Island to free call numbers - 1800 and some 131 numbers - God help us if they effectively block competition on internet/email access. Keep us informed Rob,we are all behind NIDS. Norfolk Government (Telecom) came into the email/internet action long after NIDS pioneered it on Norfolk. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, they didnt want to know about it at first, and only started offering the service not too long ago after all your hard work and resources started to pay off.
Name: du mine
Email: freedomfighter.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 10:02:02 PM
Bloody hell, what is this island coming to. Are we a democratic community?? I thought I lived in one but over the years I can see that there is a corrupt and inept body that controls and rules this island ina manner that suits their pockets. Where is all the money gone that we as individual people pay into the pockets of the administration. Where is it. I dont for one minute think that they are telling the truth. Show me the books and your personal bank accounts. I agree, there is an election this year and you ignorant arseholes who control this island are about to be shafted in a big way. I want to back concerned and a puiblic inquiry would be of great interest to me, not only on this matter but all the other crap that has happened here on this island. Ill back NIDS any day as I know that honesty is the key.Down with the Government I scream!
Name: U Betchie
Email: cahbeatett.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 09:59:01 PM
The whole thing stinks and if you ask me, it is a way for the government to pass the buck and politically point score. But with the current new changes to our electoral system, there are no more guarantees that the same boys and girls will get back in. Let's face it, they have to look good after the way the JSC crapped on them, so trying to push NIDS probably makes them (NIG) look less stupid to the JSC. I have to agree with all that was said by the previous two submissions, and I reckon a petition might be the way to go - at least that way them down the town will see just how important it is to have NIDS in competition to Telecom. Come on all yorlie, stand up and be counted and support NIDS.
Name: Concerned very concerned
Email: watchout.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 09:42:22 PM
I want to express my concern over the apparent and blatant attack on one of our own businesses here that is in obvious opposition to the Governments ineffective, outdated and outmoded form of ridiculous telecommunications. Where is this Government coming from? Do those that are in power have any idea of what they are attempting to do, or are they so ignorant of the way the world internet and what it provides.I am fairly sure the latter. What has happened here that there is such professional jealousy and the corruption of trying to close down a hard working and successful business such as NIDS. Look at the costs of our telephone systems, and how is it that when NIDS has provided a service that has been cost effective, fast and futuristic, that all of a sudden Telecom can drop their prices and compete with NIDS.Mind you the other rates they charge us are the same so explain that one. NIDS passes on their savings so why is it now after these years Telecom can drop their prices. Very suspicious if you ask me. But lets look at that. Why is it now when they are trying to interfer and knock off the only successful competition they have on this island. Once again, NIDS are providing a service that is on the level of the rest of the international world, and the short sighted ingnorant individuals that are threatened by this are now going to pass laws that to me seem to be highly suspicious. I would like to see a Public inquiry into this injustice against one of our own and a business that services are vital to not only my business but also many other individuals that CHOOSE TO USE an UDATED AND FAST internet service. Come citizens of Norfolk- lets show them that indeed this is a democratic society, not what it appears to be and that is one of dictorial rule. Communism I think they call it, or is it Socialism. Me, I vote for the members-do you? And this for me is now in question. We have an election this year, maybe all on this island need to seriously consider what we want and how it is delivered. Honesty, and committment to the community would be a start, and not the attitude that is being shown to Rob Ryan of NIDS. Concerned member of this island.
Name: A NIDS Customer
Email: telecomsux@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 09:28:00 PM
Hey Rob I am sure if you consulted with the Administrator and request to take out a petition and let WE the COMMUNITY decide who WE want as our ISP - you may find all your customers and non customers will sign it in your support. You have provided the island long before Telecom, and let's be fair, they have had the largest share of the cherry as far as telephone services for far too long. People's faulty phones can go for days before it is fixed properly and then there is no guarantee it is fixed. It should be the decision of the people of Norfolk Island as to who they want as their ISP. Perhaps some communication with the "powers to be" off shore might also be the way to go. Don't give up without a fight Rob and your customers owe it to you to give you 100+% support as you have been very good to them over the years with hosting web pages free of charge plus all the other gestures you have done. Can Telecom say that?? No Way!! If it means going without email and the WWW, then so be it. I refuse to switch to Telecom. I give them enough money now. Come on NIDS customers - help Rob provide the competition so we aren't ripped off anymore.
Name: Rob Ryan
Email: nids@nids.com.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 09:08:08 PM
Dear NIDS Customers,
I feel it is time that I clarify the situation that is occurring in regards to my business NIDS. I would also like to make very clear that at NO TIME was I contacted or consulted in regards to this matter. Also to make very clear that NIDS is in the service of providing internet/computer services NOT telephones.
It is the assembly's intention to amend the Telecommunications Act. The amending of this act by the Assembly is to give the Norfolk Is Government a law to effectively remove NIDS ability to supply high speed cheap internet access to the community.
This will also prevent private enterprise providing cost effective internet service that NIDS currently and successfully provides you, the community. My deepest concern is that this then sets a dangerous precedent. This being that laws can be passed that could effectively take over private enterprises.
What I am concerned about is how this is going to affect your business and personal email, and access to the world wide web.
I will keep you updated and informed with the correct information to reduce any confusion you may have.
Regards. Rob Ryan Norfolk Island Data Services
Name: U Betchie
Email: cahbeatett.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 08:52:33 PM
I agree 100% dem roads. The roads and edges of roads turning into driveways are a damn disgrace - but the same excuse will be used every time and that is "there's a shortage of gravel and rock". Oh well,...read the "tax options for Norfolk Island" it might shake a few of them up especially if the upgrade of roads get tendered off shore. It is about time those in "high places" come down a peg or two. It is rather odd you don't come across many "pot holes" on the road where the works superviser (acting) lives and some of the road staff. So read the tax option on the front of this website. It is well worth the read.
Name: Dem Roads
Email: demroads@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 08:01:20 PM
Understand what your saying U Betchy but when is the 20c per litre of petrol going to go to the roads instead of other parts of admin?? I'm sick of driving on sub standard roads... hooning or no hooning, the roads on Norfolk are rediculous!!!
Name: Andrew Mallett
Email: andrew.mallett@jcu.edu.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 07 March 2004
Time: 01:00:52 AM
Hi Norfolk Islanders! I'm a medical student from North Queensland and I've been lucky enough to have visited you twice now (a month at the start of this year, and a month at the start of last year). Only thing is that near the end of my last stay I found out that there was once a family of Mallett's that lived on the island, and I'm wondering if anyone could help me out in finding them or any of their descendants? Any help would be greatly appreciated (the only surviving Mallett's in my family are my father and uncle, and I'm the last male able to pass the name on)!! While I have a chance, a HUGE thanks to EVERYONE at Norfolk Island Hospital!!! You are an amazing crew who I will never forget and am forever endebited to for your hospitality and help. Looking forward to coming back soon! cheers andrew
Name: Free Service
Email: confidentialityplus@ll.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 06 March 2004
Time: 10:29:52 PM
Hi to all on Norfolk. Did you know that you are able to call LIFELINE 24/7 on free call from Norfolk - 1800 1966. You do not have to identify yourself and you can talk to us about anything you wish and of course it is all CONFIDENTIAL. So, if you have a problem, call LIFELINE at any time on 1800 1966.
Name:
Email: j.pec44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 05 March 2004
Time: 01:28:28 PM
No but the competition watchdog is.
And Telecom on Norfolk is ripping us off.
Name:
Email: j.pec44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 05 March 2004
Time: 01:13:29 PM
Telstra in Australia is not Telecom on Norfolk
Name: Support for you over there on there island
Email: norfolk@heart
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 05 March 2004
Time: 11:56:09 AM
Rob and or Norfolk data services
Thought i'd share this with you all, i know somethings are happening with the internet over there and the prices? not exactly sure
The competition watchdog said it would act quickly against Telstra if the phone giant was found to have engaged in anti-competitive conduct in the DSL broadband market.
Telstra, which has been losing retail market share in the broadband space to its wholesale customers like Optus, last week slashed its retail prices to levels below what it charged its wholesale customers. Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) chairman Graeme Samuel said yesterday the commission expected to complete an investigation within days that could see a competition notice issued against Telstra.
the article can be found at the following address.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/04/1078378909787.html
cheers
Name: U betchie
Email: cahbeatett.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 March 2004
Time: 04:29:57 PM
Good to hear the new Road Traffic Act will have a provision for "Hooning". this is not before the time, but it is such a disgrace that we have come to this on Norfolk. You lot who are the guilty party should be ashamed of yourselves - but at least it will make our lives easier on Norfolk,......and peaceful.
The idea of broadband service over power lines, or BPL, has been around for some time, but this appears to be the first large-scale rollout of the technology by a major utility.
"There have been several utilities working on this quietly and doing pilot programs," said Alan Shark, president of the Power Line Communications Association, an industry trade group. "Everyone has been very cautious in deploying this technology, but I think the demand will be incredible."
Cinergy Broadband LLC is teaming up with Current Communications Group LLC, a US technology company, to offer the service in sections of Cincinnati this year. Plans call for an eventual expansion into Kentucky and Indiana; Cinergy hopes to market the service to 55,000 of its 1.5 million customers this year.
Name: Orf Shore
Email: cheapcalls@optus.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 01 March 2004
Time: 04:42:32 PM
Hi to all on Norfolk. How many of you watched today tonight last week? Well, the following will take up a fair bit of space (sorry guys) but I know how expensive your overseas phone calls are from Norfolk, so the following just might make some changes.
Phone calls on the cheap A new way of sending your voice over the Internet promises to slash phone bills for both local and international calls. It's already available in Australia but how many families will sign up?
In the US 150,000 people are already using it and by the end of this year one million are expected to be chatting away. Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) - launched today in Australia - is coming to a broadband phone near you. Chief of new telephone network Comindico John Stuckey says it's all about digitally converting your voice so it can be sent over the Internet. And with most businesses already connected to broadband they'll be able talk to each other more economically. "We've spent $400 million from the ground up to build a telco-grade telecommunications network," Mr Stuckey said. "Today we announced eight-cent local calls, we announced an eight-cent untimed national call across the country."
Electronics whiz and editor of Free Access magazine Alex Zaharov-Reutt explains how the new technology will work in your home later this year. "Most businesses have been on broadband for years so they're set up to go," Mr Zaharov-Reutt said. "If consumers want to take advantage of this, broadband is the way to go." "What it does is break our voice into tiny packets and sends it over the network." A computer at the other end of the line converts the signal back into a voice. Alistair Woodman from Cisco Systems developed the technology. He says the new telecommunications protocol has already begun its global march. "Probably by the end of the year you could expect to see maybe a million subscribers worldwide," Mr Woodman said. Mr Stuckey says you don't have to be a Comindico broadband customer to use VoIP - you can use any broadband Internet connection. From June it's expected there will also be a residential package available. While it won't be compatible with mobile phones at first, a simple adaptor is all you'll need to wire your computer for Internet phone calls at home. Comindico says your phone bill will be halved and it's thinking of throwing in the adaptor free of charge. "We would wear the cost but we would ask the person to sign a two-year contract with us to deliver," Mr Stuckey said. Mr Zaharov-Reutt says it means much lower prices for telecommunications in Australia. As VoIP takes its grip on the Australian market it's expected to force Telstra and Optus to review their pricing structure. But the growth of Comindico's 'family package' will depend on how many of us decide to go broadband so we can receive cheaper calls. "There's 500,000 people in Australia currently on broadband," Mr Stuckey said. "Which is a pretty sizeable market to have a go at." "We think this product for families will be the main driver of broadband because broadband adoption has been slow and this will bring people on. "We think it will be the killer application that says 'I can get a second line at home'." For information on Comindico's business package and analysis of your last business phone bill call 131 767.
Name: Lesley Lane
Email: leeandgeoff@westnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 27 February 2004
Time: 01:04:15 AM
Hi from Western Australia. I am posting this message in the hope that someone on Norfolk Island can help me. Am trying to find a couple of original settlers over on your beautiful island, (yes I have been there many years ago), from 1790 and have no idea where to go next. Perhaps there is someone out there who can point me in the right direction? Many thanks and cheers for now. Lesley.
Name: Nadda One
Email: yuornnorfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 26 February 2004
Time: 10:09:44 AM
Good on you islander!! I agree with all that you have said. Competition is healthy and definitely needed here.
Name: Islander On Shore
Email: nfp@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 24 February 2004
Time: 05:55:23 AM
Hey Rob - love this site with the frangipani. Looks good. Your wireless internet is the best thing since sliced bread - but more importantly don't be pushed around by the "little boys and girls" down the town. Can you imagine what the internet prices would be if NT was the only ISP?? Think about it folks. They are the carriers for our phone service, and do we get cheap rates for calling overseas??? NO! WHY? because they have got the monopoly on telephones. So Rob, don't let them push you around, we cah do nor gutt you!! Thanks for being there in opposition and competition and for providing a fantastic service - and a fast one at that. I swapped from NT to you, and I know other that did and more that will be. COME ALL NIDS USERS - SUPPORT YOUR ISP!!
Name: Aussie
Email: aussie@beach.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 23 February 2004
Time: 01:16:12 PM
Hi guys, I like debate because mostly out of that comes knowledge. The most important thing is that those two sullen are safe and well. I was under the impression that the maritime boundaries are set internationally not by individual countries. I just wonder after the English tourist was found in WA because of a $350 eperb how good would that be for every boat that goes into the water. Knowing how good Norfolk Islanders are when it comes to the sea, it would make rescue at any time so much easier and quicker. Cheers
Name: tony scown
Email: mighty.moose@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 17 February 2004
Time: 09:28:35 PM
hey hi guys from beautiful norfolk island how is every body there especially the snells auntysal aunty lorna uncle plute and family uncle hess aunty jean im just wondering if any of the family has got computers at home so if anyone sees this email please get in touch with the snells or anybody who is assoicates of them would be really great to hear from youthis is my email address above this is tony so hope to hear from someone soon thanks heaps and keep ya island green and free of the nasties that have been hanging around beautifil norfolk
Name: NISDV
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com@www
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 17 February 2004
Time: 01:39:29 PM
Well said Buff!! ...good to see you're still going strong & feisty Don Reidpath; I can recall your lovely daughters, but I can't recall whether you're originally from NZ - if you are, then you should be aware that the New Zealand Defence Force is accountable to the public of New Zealand for the spending of around *_NZ$1.4 billion_* annually, on maintaining a world-class force of highly-trained service personnel; SAR Operations are an integral component of this rigorous training regime.
As a signatory to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, 1944; the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974; and the International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue, 1979; New Zealand is responsible for search and rescue over the following maritime region:
The New Zealand Search and Rescue Region (NZSRR) http://www.nzsar.org.nz/nzsrr.html
...as you can see Norfolk is the closest non-NZ landmass within that region & the northern extremity of the NZSRR stretches far to the north of Samoa & the Cook Islands.
The New Zealand Defence Forces (NZDF) do not retain personnel *_solely_* for use on search and rescue activities, however many NZDF personnel participate in SAR activities on an "as required" basis. The NZDF also maintains a roster of personnel on call for any SAR events.
The resources available for commitment to SAR in the New Zealand Search and Rescue region consists of the following:
<>Six (6) P3K Orion aircraft <>Five (5) C130H Hercules aircraft <>Fifteen (15) UH-1H Iroquois helicopters <>One Navy vessel at 8 hours readiness for oceanic SAR <>One Navy vessel at 4 hours readiness for coastal SAR <>Army ground rescue parties <>Military manpower, vehicles, equipment, communications and logistic support
...as you can see the NZ Gov't. takes it's SAR treaty obligations SERIOUSLY.
In short the recent SAR event off Norfolk was an absolute *_doddle_* for an organization with the resources & capability of the NZDF - little more than a light training exercise with a strong - & probably much appreciated - element of realism thrown in.
Having reached, what must by now be a venerable age Don, you should surely be aware that between the Devil & the Deep Blue Sea, 'Murphy's Law' WILL ALWAYS prevail - rather than rushing to a negative judgement on the two fishermen involved, I for one would more inclined to praise their level-headedness, resiliance & resourcefullness, in what was an undoubtedly life-threatening situation ...they even managed to rescue themselves, for God's sake!!
I would suggest that the real takeaway from this remarkable saga of survival; is that whilst Canberra eagerly *_claims ownership_* of the Norfolk EEZ ...it does not eagerly include Norfolk in it's Search and Rescue Region, cf:
Appendix A - Australian Search and Rescue Region http://www.amsa.gov.au/natsar/Manuals/Search_and_Rescue_Manual/Appendix_A.pdf
Food for thought perhaps. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Billionaire saves stricken sailor http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8683869%255E662,00.html
<> http://nisdv.bravehost.com/volunteer_coastguard.html
Name: buff
Email: buff@shoal.net.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 16 February 2004
Time: 03:17:41 PM
Dear Mr Reidpath, I believe your comments to be a bit harsh towards the two fisherman who where just doing what everyone does on norfolk "FISH". Do you realise how much it costs per rescue for those yatchsman who choose to compete in those around the world yatch races, who know how much trouble they can get into. It's not only the mutli million dollar price tag but the man and women of the navy who are sent out in hazardous conditions to rescue these people. Don't forget for a minute that these two fisherman made their own way home, using there own commen sense and staying level headed. It's just the fact that you are making the comment about the price tag of the search and recue effort. I'm a sailor in the navy and from my own personnal experience get pass the price tag, whilst serving in the soloman Islands a ferry sunk with 70 people on board, without the proper survival equipment, they were taking an elder of their family to a tribal burial place, 8 hours after the ferry was sunk the australian high commision in Honiara ask us if we could help in the search effort, After a 2 hour search the survivors where found by our seahawk helicopter, after winching 19 people out of the water the rescue boats arrived and people the remaining 51 people out of the water, they had spent an amazing 12 hours in the water clinging to an undersized life raft and sharing old life jackets. The cost of flying a seahawk is approx. $20,000 AN HR NOT INCLUDING SUPPORT. So just for the use of the aircraft was around $120,000 not including the ship that we were posted on too.
Did we ask the Islanders for the money, did we blame them for the ferry sinking, NO. It is an amazing feeling when you can look back in your life and Know that you help save someone's life. The Islanders where drifting at approx. 3 miles an hour and if we had not found them when we did, I would hate to think of what would have happened to them.
So next time you hear of a search,rescue, even if you think that the people/persons put themselves up the creek. Look at the fact that they are still alive, not at the purse strings
Name: Ma Anna
Email: panmac@multiline.com.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 14 February 2004
Time: 01:51:18 AM
And well done Robyn.
Name: Ma Anna
Email: Panmac@multiline.com.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 14 February 2004
Time: 01:49:39 AM
So glad Macca and Pedro made it back to shore. Good on you Polly, Corrine, Michelle, Moria,and Pippa.
Name: Randall Grant
Email: yaddy42@hotmail.com
Country: Canada
Date: Friday, 13 February 2004
Time: 02:39:02 PM
Hello Norfolk islanders! If anyone there knows Louci Reynolds, please say hello from me, and tell her that I have recovered from my accident, but I'm still without a permanent address, so if she would send all regular mail to my folks' address with my name in bold print I would very much appreciate this. Hello to Cambell and Tasmyn and a big hug and a kiss to Sophia Rayne. I know she hasn't the time for e-mails but if there does come a short opportunity,here is mine. Thankyou ahead of time.
Name: Object to Entry
Email: object@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 12 February 2004
Time: 10:22:26 PM
Mr Reidpath - Mine yus plett - shuww yoos haed up yoos uss enn keep yoos "loose" comments to yoosalf. Yoo bin leawe ya lornge tiem, so whut d' hell yoo knoew - hoew dare yoo call uwwus sullun idiot!! Get yoos facts right. Maybe you can ask for counselling from your daughter????
Name: British Hypocrisy
Email: kpaclerk@kent.pnn.police.uk
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Tuesday, 10 February 2004
Time: 01:43:14 PM
"Operation Ore, the United Kingdom's most thorough and comprehensive police investigation of crimes against children, seems to have uncovered more than is politically acceptable at the highest reaches of the British elite." http://www.propagandamatrix.com/alleged_pedophiles.html
Name: Don Reidpath
Email: donpath@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 10 February 2004
Time: 12:14:18 PM
Will those two irresponsible idiots back up God by contributing $26,000 per hour for the RNZAF Orion? Do they not have any respect whatever for their families who thought they could have been lost - forever?
Name: 'Norflok' Island may well belong to Canberra -
'Norfolk', certainly does NOT
Email: norguttaclue@Norflok
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 February 2004
Time: 12:55:50 PM
Territories of Australia Norflok Island CONSTITUTIONAL STATUS
http://www.dotars.gov.au/terr/norfolk/constitutional_status.htm
Name: Ent me
Email: @hoem
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 04 February 2004
Time: 10:44:06 AM
Pitcairn Islanders challenge legitimacy of British rule The Associated Press Monday, February 2, 2004
WELLINGTON: Pitcairn Island's Supreme Court said Monday that it would decide in April whether local men facing sexual assault charges would be tried under British law.
The island, a British territory halfway between New Zealand and Peru, has been unsettled by a scandal implicating 13 Pitcairn men in multiple sexual assault charges with women and girls as young as 3 years old. Some of the accusations date back 40 years.
Lawyers for seven of the accused are challenging Britain's sovereignty over Pitcairn, where most of the residents are descendants of the famous mutineers who took over the British naval ship Bounty 214 years ago.
The defense lawyers claim the islanders severed all ties with Britain when they burned the Bounty on Jan. 23, 1790. They say the men should be tried by the Pitcairn community, rather than the court, which was created by Britain and is located in New Zealand.
Prosecutors want the trial held in New Zealand because it would be virtually impossible on Pitcairn, which has no airstrip, no harbor, insufficient accommodation for court officials - and not enough cells for the suspects.
On Monday, a defense lawyer, Adrian Cook, told the court in Auckland that he had uncovered documents dating back to 1838 in England that were "immensely significant" to the question of jurisdiction.
The three-judge bench, led by Chief Justice Charles Blackie, granted Cook until March 12 to file the new evidence.
It added that prosecutors would have until March 26 to reply, and that it would deliver a decision on jurisdiction on April 19.
The court also extended bail to the seven men, and ordered that their names remain unpublished. The seven were also excused from appearing in court. The other six accused men no longer live in Pitcairn. .
Name: BREAKING NATIONAL NEWS STORY
Email: Immensely_Significant_new_evidence_in_Pitcairn_Trial@NISDV
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 February 2004
Time: 10:59:37 AM
full coverage & analysis @:
http://nisdv.bravehost.com/imagineering_pitcairn.html
Name: Elle Shaw
Email: woohoo@thatllfuckthosenigerians1.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 01 February 2004
Time: 01:32:27 AM
Hey Rob!! Still reading avidly!! Will get over to the Rock for a holiday soon!! Hope everyone is well, miss all yorlye so much!! Good luck with '04!!
Name: aussie
Email: aussie@beach
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 27 January 2004
Time: 06:50:18 PM
Hi, just have to say what a lovely opening page to Forum. beaut colour and the Frangi is a lovely touch. "Onya Rob" Cheers
Name: The Norfolk Spirit alive & well
Email: welcome_back@last
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 January 2004
Time: 01:18:07 PM
Men missing off Norfolk Island found 21 January 2004
UPDATED REPORT
Two men missing off the coast of Norfolk Island since Monday have made their own way ashore.
National Search and Rescue Co-ordination Centre spokesman Jim McLean said the pair came ashore at 11.40am.
It was not yet known if the men had spent time in the water or if they made it back in their boat to Anson Bay on the island's north coast.
Their condition was also unknown but Mr McLean said the pair were being checked at Norfolk Hospital on the island 1600km northeast of Sydney.
A New Zealand air force Orion had searched for the pair yesterday after Norfolk Island police asked for help searching for the pair who had set out in a ill-equipped runabout.
The Orion had been ready to resume the search this afternoon.
The boat had been on a test run after being on land for four years. It reportedly had no radio, safety equipment, or auxiliary motor.
Name: Aussie
Email: aussie@beach
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 January 2004
Time: 12:47:25 PM
A great day for Norfolk, it makes my heart sing that those two are safe and sound. I have to say that was a different way to spend a birthday and cheers to the men who went out to search. Once again the community is pulled together Congratulations
Name: Ess True
Email: esstrue.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 21 January 2004
Time: 12:46:27 PM
Hear Hear. Thank God the two men have come back home. Their families must be truly relieved. It has been a couple of awful days wondering, hoping and praying.
Name: D'MINE
Email: dmine@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 21 January 2004
Time: 12:15:23 PM
WELCOME HOME TO THE 2 MISSING FISHERMEN. THANK GOD YOU BOTH ARE HOME AND ARE OKAY. GOD IS GOOD AS HE ANSWERS PRAYERS AND GUIDED YOU TWO BACK HOME TO YORLYES FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. ALL UCKLUN BIN WORRY FER YU TWO.
Name: NISDV
Email: nisdv.bravehost.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 January 2004
Time: 09:05:22 PM
"Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?" ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Writing in the 16th Century, Alexander Pope may well have witnessed first hand the kind of hideous tortures méted out to all kinds of miscreants throughout 'Western Christendom'; breaking the victims's bones with an iron bar whilst they were spreadeagled - butterfly like - on a torture wheel, being one of the more inventive & unspeakably agonizing punishments. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The times may have changed ...but has the medieval mentality? ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
To break a delicate & harmless creature such as a butterfly in so brutal a way, as upon a wheel, has come to be synonymous with applying superabundant coercive force in the accomplishment of an objective which can be more efficaciously achieved using a far more subtle & enlightened methodology ...as per:
http://nisdv.bravehost.com/imagineering_pitcairn.html
Name: hi there norfolk
Email: hmmmmm
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 13 January 2004
Time: 10:57:56 PM
hi from the UK....
Name: good a tun
Email: a@s
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 January 2004
Time: 02:10:18 PM
the previous site is brilliant. education is a big element in helping norfolks cause and that site is very educating. i urge all people to read it.
Name: Islander Abroad
Email: OrnTop@PawalaWalleyRidj.pn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 January 2004
Time: 05:07:32 PM
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ SECURING NORFOLK'S FUTURE ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
In the spirit of furthering the excellent points made by Geoff, NorLarnen, Tintoela, Buff & Lionel et al., I've set up an interim website where these issues can be canvassed in depth, consonant with a general editorial theme of 'Securing Norfolk's Future'.
Please bear in mind that this is very much a work in progress & does not aim to provide a 'magic-bullet' solution to the range of challenges Norfolk faces ...but simply to canvass a number of the myriad possible alternative futures for Norfolk; ranging from total integration with Australia at one end of the spectrum, to total sovereign independence & autonomy at the other ...our quest is to divine the 'Golden Mean':
Name: Bob
Email: aow@brisbane.qld.gov.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 January 2004
Time: 09:01:36 AM
My wife & I [both in our 60's ] are planning to spend a week in Norfolk next Xmas. We have visited the island 3 times in the past & loved each visit. Each time we have stayed at Aloha Hibiscus in Taylor Rd and found it to be very comfortable. This next visit we wish to stay over the xmas period partaking in xmas dinner etc My question is what restaurants cater for the tradional type xmas dinner, roasts etc so that when I book the holiday I can book the dinner as well. Easy question for the norfolk islanders I hope.
bob
Name: Se Grarb'amoon
Email: larnameiyoenfus
Country: Glorioso Islands
Date: Tuesday, 06 January 2004
Time: 02:31:50 PM
wutawieh dae fe aerd 'insult to injury':
'The Norfolk Island's National Anthem'
http://www.abacci.com/atlas/anthem.asp?countryID=285
Name: Sam Robertson
Email: samjamesrobertson@hotmail.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Friday, 02 January 2004
Time: 02:30:57 AM
Hello, I am a student at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom. I am currently searching the globe for somewhere completely unique to work this summer. I was wondering whether anyone might have any information or ideas about the possibility of spending the June - August of 2004 working on Norfolk Island. I know it is a long shot but I thought it was worth a try. If this isn't an absurd suggestion please email me. Many thanks indeed, Sam Robertson.