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Name: Shayne-ex Wokaway cook
Email: tedricoflomaar@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2005
Time: 08:28:05 PM
Happy new year to all and sundry!! Still no-one has said how the Wokaway noodle bar is going. Life is not all about politics. How about a little light hearted response from who gives a shit??
Name: pouri
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 31 December 2005
Time: 06:34:43 AM
The funny thing is that if people like notelling get their way and canberra do come in, they will be the ones to whinge. But I suppose that they will have something to whinge abouteg. decisions being made without consultation and by people who havent a clue what goes on in norfolk. My advice to these people is to travel, even to our neighbouring islands, and they will see how well off we really are. Why dont they support the government instead off constantly ripping them off. I hope they realise that it is a much tougher job than what people think being in government and it is easy to criticise from the sidelines
Name: Garvan
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 09:20:26 PM
Well put by the previous entry. This is so true, decisions have not been made previously because of fear of upsetting friends or family and also connected family and others in positions of authority in Administration.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 09:10:00 PM
well, for starters a "Canberra-Bureaucrat would do a better job of running Norfolk than a collegiate-executive of our peers" because he/she wouldn't be afraid to make the decisions that need making for the improvement of NI, for fear of upsetting his/her friends and neighbours, he/she wouldn't make decisions based on what he/she could personally get out of it, he/she would actually be accountable for those decisions. How's that for starters?
Name: freds
Email: delight@shortridge
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 08:33:19 PM
go et yorle - Happy New Year
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 03:57:23 PM
'nottelling': RE.- "Why don't you try something new? Like, perhaps, coming up with some real ideas on how to improve Norfolk's lot...etc." ...perhaps YOU may care to practice what you preach - for starters, how about explaining to us how a Canberra-Bureaucrat would do a better job of running Norfolk than a collegiate-executive of our peers? Norlarnen - ai se'yah ornshore brud!
Name: NFP
Email: nfp.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 02:43:08 PM
Hear Hear!!! Damn good idea
Name: Fairness
Email: fariness.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 02:41:24 PM
Bravo to John Brown for disallowing an extra public holiday on Monday when the rest of the world gets it and this is all so he doesn't have to pay out extra money to his staff. At least the previous Minister had the brains to follow protocol and format. Next election vote Brown OUT and Donaldson IN.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 01:27:53 PM
Brud, You accuse a sullun fe thing yu doen yusalf! Ef yu nor liek wathing ei tull den noe usea act as ef ei nawa tull et. Ef yu wunt fe noew jes scroll down. Ei too busy fe repeat mysalf ode yu. Joe Flynn yu gwen orn Norfolk fe Bounty Dae? email ulla MSN orn norlarnen@hotmail.com
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 09:57:52 AM
well well! need I say more? again the old "piss off" routine. Why don't you try something new? Like, perhaps, coming up with some real ideas on how to improve Norfolk's lot, instead of continually dredging up old, used up lines and childish retorts like "if you don't like my rules don't play"? So come on, put your money where your mouth is and put some realistic plans forward to help.
Name: pouri
Email: com.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 December 2005
Time: 07:11:35 AM
to the last 2 entries, congratulations. I support and agree with you 1000%
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 29 December 2005
Time: 01:37:31 PM
'nottelling': Norfolk Islanders have lived lean & hungry ON THEIR FEET for much of the last 200 plus years ...if you wish to live fat dumb & happy ON YOUR KNEES - well, you know the direction home
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 28 December 2005
Time: 08:09:23 PM
again, the only response to a report that tries to outline the problems facing norfolk and possible solutions are to drag up the past "Norfolk was given them..." Wake up mediawatch! Regardless of whether or not Norfolk was given or not, it does nothing to help the current problems facing the island! Stop bleating about the past and bring up something positive to assist in fixing what is wrong NOW! TO IGNORE THE PAST IS TO REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES. LOOKING AT THE PAST THE QUESTION BEGS WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TRUST CANBERRA? The problems are in the PRESENT, not the PAST! As per norlarnens post a while ago, I don't go to Australia because I don't want to! That's another typical response to anyone who mentions anything that some locals don't agree with - and that's to tell them to piss off. How is that constructive? If everybody decides to do that, then where would Norfolk be? Do you think if everybody who had different ideas to you left that you would be able to raise $12 million to resurface the runway, considering there would be less people on the island to raise the money from? MY SUGGESTION IS NOT BASED ON NOT LIKING WHAT YOU SAY, BUT ON WHAT YOU APPARENTLY WANT - WHICH IS TO PAY AUSTRALIAN TAXES AND ENJOY AN AUSTRALIAN LIFESTYLE AND STANDARD OF LIVING. WHY FOR HEAVENS SAKE DON'T YOU GO AND LIVE THERE IS A VERY REASONABLE RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTS. Norfolk Island has only been self governed for 25 years, not 149, and true, some have been tough and some have been prosperous, but never has the island been in the same dire straights as it is now. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR EXPLANATION OF HOW AUSTRALIA HAS BEEN FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NORFOLK ISLAND AND MET THE COSTS OF HER BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTH, ADMIN ETC IN THE PAST. TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW WE HAD A COUNCIL AND SIMILIAR IN THE PAST, BUT THESE 149 YEARS ON NOROFLK WE HAVE BEEN FISCALLY AND ADMINISTRATIVELY INDEPENDENT. YOU ARE ADVOCATING A COMPLETELY NEW AND FOREIGN SET UP WITH GIVING CANBERRA CARTE BLANCHE CONTROL OF NORFOLK. The world has changed, and ignoring it isn't going to help, that much is obvious, as that's what successive groups of MLA's have been doing over the past 25 years, and has that worked? THE QUESTION BEGS JUST HOW DEEP IS THE PROBLEM, WHO OR WHAT EXACTLY IS TO BLAME AND JUST WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS. MANY WOULD SAY AN EXTRA FLIGHT OUT OF AUSTRALIA WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, OTHERS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE OUT OF CANBERRA. WE NEED SOME HARD HEADED NEGOTIATORS TO GO TO CANBERRA AND TELL THEM HOW IT IS (WE ARE DUE IT WITHOUT OWING THEM ANYTHING MORE THAN WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR THE PAST 149 YEARS - SECURITY, EEZ). It appears, norlarnen, that you didn't read all of my previous post, as I said "By going now we may still be able to negotiate things like immigration,taxes, etc. If we leave it too late and the Aussie government is forced to take over they will TELL us what is going to happen, like it or lump it." I READ WHAT YOU SAID, I JUST DISAGREE WITH IT. WE SHOULDN'T LIMIT OURSELVES TO SEEING OUR POSITION AS STRONG OR WEAK DEPENDING ON OUR NEED FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT. OUR POSITION IS NOT AFFECTED BY OUR FINANCIAL POSITION ONE IOTA, TO SUGGEST AND BELIEVE OTHERWISE REFLECTS MORE ON WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM THAN THOSE OF US WITH A LEGITIMATE CLAIM TO NORFOLK ISLAND AS OUR HOME. I'm saying take the initiative and admit that self government isn't working and work forward from there. Is that why you don't like my posts? Perhaps you are an Admin official whose head would be on the chopping block if Australia were to take over... WITHOUT GETTING PERSONAL, I DO NOT HAVE A JOB WITH ADMIN. I HAVE STATED IN MANY POSTS PREVIOUSLY WHY I DISAGREE WITH CANBERRA TAKING OVER. THE FOREMOST BEING THAT I AM NOT AN AUSTRALIAN, IF I WANTED TO BE I WOULD GO AND LIVE THERE JUST AS I SUGGEST YOU DO IF YOU SO STRONGLY ADVOCATE CANBERRA TAKING OVER. WE HAVE DONE IT ON OUR OWN FOR 149 YEARS, AND WE HAVE HAD TO CHANGE PLENTY IN THAT TIME JUST AS WE STILL ARE. TO MY NORFOLK BRETHREN, ALL THE BEST IN 2006, DU GIW IN.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 28 December 2005
Time: 03:31:48 PM
again, the only response to a report that tries to outline the problems facing norfolk and possible solutions are to drag up the past "Norfolk was given them..." Wake up mediawatch! Regardless of whether or not Norfolk was given or not, it does nothing to help the current problems facing the island! Stop bleating about the past and bring up something positive to assist in fixing what is wrong NOW! The problems are in the PRESENT, not the PAST! As per norlarnens post a while ago, I don't go to Australia because I don't want to! That's another typical response to anyone who mentions anything that some locals don't agree with - and that's to tell them to piss off. How is that constructive? If everybody decides to do that, then where would Norfolk be? Do you think if everybody who had different ideas to you left that you would be able to raise $12 million to resurface the runway, considering there would be less people on the island to raise the money from? Norfolk Island has only been self governed for 25 years, not 149, and true, some have been tough and some have been prosperous, but never has the island been in the same dire straights as it is now. The world has changed, and ignoring it isn't going to help, that much is obvious, as that's what successive groups of MLA's have been doing over the past 25 years, and has that worked? It appears, norlarnen, that you didn't read all of my previous post, as I said "By going now we may still be able to negotiate things like immigration,taxes, etc. If we leave it too late and the Aussie government is forced to take over they will TELL us what is going to happen, like it or lump it." I'm saying take the initiative and admit that self government isn't working and work forward from there. Is that why you don't like my posts? Perhaps you are an Admin official whose head would be on the chopping block if Australia were to take over...
Name: mediawatch
Email: Lightfinger
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 28 December 2005
Time: 12:56:29 PM
"Norfolk was given to them by Queen Victoria" - at last, a truthful Freudian slip from the lying bastards at Fairfax http://smh.com.au/news/world/want-mainland-comforts-then-pay-mainland-taxes-islanders-told/2005/12/27/1135445572736.html
Name: RAH RAH RAH
Email: rah.com.au
Country: Oceans
Date: Wednesday, 28 December 2005
Time: 07:13:19 AM
Here's more blah blah blah.............. - Want mainland comforts? Then pay mainland taxes, islanders told By Daniel Lewis Regional Reporter December 28, 2005 NORFOLK Island's future is precarious unless its residents start paying tax like mainland Australians, a federal parliamentary committee has said. The committee, chaired by the Liberal senator Ross Lightfoot, said the tourism industry that Norfolk Island relies on for revenue was in trouble, the services the island's government gives the population of about 2000 were substandard and the excuse that Norfolk Island is unique was no longer acceptable. The recommendations will not go down well with the notoriously independent islanders, many of whom are descendants of the Bounty mutineers who arrived on Norfolk from Pitcairn Island 150 years ago next June. Norfolk was given to them by Queen Victoria and the 1979 Norfolk Island Act enshrined their right to govern themselves and raise their own revenue. Norfolk has no income tax or council rates but raises revenue through tariffs such as airport landing fees. Its government, which employs almost 300 people, provides every service from courts and customs to education and electricity. The committee recommended that - like the people of the Christmas and Cocos islands in the Indian Ocean - Norfolk Islanders should start paying federal income tax and the Federal Government should take responsibility for social security, health, aged care, immigration, customs, roads, power generation and the airport. "The committee is of the view that all Australian citizens, irrespective of where they choose to reside in the nation, deserve competent government administration and service delivery," the report says. The Norfolk Island Chief Minister, Geoff Gardner, said the island's finances did need fixing, but he doubted that making islanders pay income tax in return for federal services was the answer. Mr Gardner said that in different parts of Australia there were "vastly different" levels of services such as health care, and claimed that Norfolk Islanders enjoyed better health care than many other Australians. "We are not a drain on the commonwealth purse," he said. Mr Gardner said Norfolk Island and the Commonwealth had to end their "adversarial" relationship and work together. In dissenting comments, the Liberal MP Sophie Panopoulos said: "At a time when Australia promotes the preservation of the uniqueness of Aboriginal culture, it is a somewhat perverse notion that we should impose an Australian-style taxation system on Norfolk Island which could have dire consequences on the local economy and community, relegating Norfolk Island to a helpless welfare state."
Name: supbro
Email: supbro@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 December 2005
Time: 10:25:56 AM
Norlarnen - very interesting re Flight Centre & Pitcairn Islands. Real interested to see how they will get one to Pitcairn......
Name: kiwi
Email: here
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 27 December 2005
Time: 08:33:07 AM
How ones stand does shift. How is your wife Sir Grant Cardno? Children? Grandchild? I doubt you still purport thou true holiness. One has perpetuated a certain reputation which now goes before one. Maybe one is not all that one claims to be.
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 December 2005
Time: 04:55:38 AM
Obviously not one of you know how to get your facts right re the airline. Buy last weekend's local paper and read the stop press news on the front. One can't help but feel sorry for those who put their mouths, fingers on keyboard etc etc in gear before the brain. Grow up and get a life. How sad for Norfolk to think these sorts of people could end up running I mean ruining the island. Come on Aussie come on.
Name: karwha
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 26 December 2005
Time: 04:55:00 PM
Might be that Flight Centre cannot support Norfolk Island travel at the moment until some airline issues are finalised. When Norfolk gets its act together and has another airline operating permanently I'm sure the travel agencies will support you. We wish you all the best and hope things get back to normal pretty shortly as your businesses must be suffering at the moment.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 25 December 2005
Time: 11:02:00 PM
well, looking around on the Flight Centre website I am pretty amazed to see no link for Norfolk fares - but one for Pitcairn Islands! These guys are a pretty big deal in the travel industry out of Australia, if we aren't listed with them and a destination that doesn't even have an airport is, then someone needs to pull finger.
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 24 December 2005
Time: 01:07:52 PM
I have 'heard' Jetconnect (Qantas' cheap labour NZ subsidiary - they fly as Qantas NZ) will take over the route with a 737-400 (all economy) with 130 seats available out to the island and 140 seats back to the mainland (less out for extra fuel) I have also heard Alliance are in talks to take over NLK and some of Air Naurus other flying. I dont believe you will see Virgin or Jetstar in there frequently any time soon Ive heard the NG 737s, and A320s would not leave your tarmac in the best of condition. Jetstatrs 717s are on the way to W.A, and those remaining dont have ETOPS. All the best - merry christmas everyone!
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 06:44:58 PM
Darlene Thanks for the comments and may you have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous 2006 and may the fortunes andd woes of your beautiful island make a complete turn around and become a must have tourist destination. As for Campbell@oz why do we need people like him on this forum (just maybe he has somthing to hide) TO ALL ON NORFOLK ISLAND A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR
Name: Timitie's Crack
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 02:54:20 PM
Campbell - why don't you stick a sock in it??? there is a very old saying and it matches you perfectly...."EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE MOST SOUNDS". I guess Darls was more or less saying this to you - just in a polite manner. You obvisouly have nothing better to do than to sit at your computer and harass people with your sick, ignorant and senseless remarks. I agree - get a life and get with it you poor pathetic moron. Just remember - no matter where in the world you are, our ISP can trace you so be very very careful.
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: noreply.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 11:33:23 AM
Campbell - you've obviously gotten over your fears but sadly the woes are still very much around you. Get over it mate. Not one of us ISLANDERS have overlooked or forgotten the tragedy and we don't need people like you regurgitating it. You definitely lead a sheltered, negative and sad life and I just hope everything improves for you. It will take time so please be patient. Be careful who you blame for the incident as it could come back and bite you where it hurts. Get on with your life and leave us alone. You are rather pathetic
Name: No other airline
Email: mmm@mmm
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 10:10:54 AM
Everyone talks about the other airlines still coming, The fact is Qantas said they will no fly here in their own right. Virgin said No thanks and Jetstar have said No. This is already common knowledge to Mr Gardener its about time he voiced the truth to the Norfolk People. Whats that old saying " You never know what you had till it's to late " People like 5 star and conveniance. Most people need technology, holidays for most these days still require the ability to work as well, mobile phones and laptops with broadband access. This is the way of the times without we lack the ability to get a larger scale of tourists. The market for people wishes to go to a large farm is limited. Duty free shopping thats a joke you can buy a lot of the perfumes and cosmetics in Aus and NZ at the same price or on sale cheaper. Without the Island being able to move into the future it has little hope of ever getting back on its feet. As for the airlines when you look at how many have been and gone and the lack of forward thinking its no wonder no one wants to fly here.
Name: Erica Reynolds
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 09:25:57 AM
Cambell, Cambell,Cambell. Please do not think that we have forgotten what has happened, Janelle will always be in our thoughts and hearts but life goes on and we cannot live in the past. Our future is where we lie and hope to be in. It was a terrible tragedy just as there are tragedies everywhere. Norfolk is in trouble but this has absolutly nothing to do with crimes that have happened on Norfolk. We are touchy about things because you are criticising us for things that are out of our control it is only natural that we tell you to move on and stop being so negative. Our Island may be in trouble but that is something that we are all trying to look at in a positive way and help instead of badgering on about things we cannot help. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year lets get 2006 moving with positive thoughts and constructive critisism. Thanks
Name: Campbell
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 09:17:37 AM
Norfolk Islanders, you can't push aside the fact that a lovely young lady Janelle Patton was murdered on your island, and as yet no one has been charged with this dreadful crime. Why are you all so touchy about the subject? Is it the fact that maybe it was a local who committed this act? Its reality guys and you just must stop pushing the matter aside pretending it did not happen. With this attitude no wonder the island is in big trouble at the moment.
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: her.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 08:44:38 AM
Darls - well written. I couldn't have done it any better. You have written so politely yet straight to the point. I only wish I had the gutts to sign my name. Merry Christmas to you and yours and heartfelt sympathies to Goldie and his family. What sad news right on Christmas.
Name: Darlene Buffett [Norfolk Islander & Proud of it]
Email: noreply.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 December 2005
Time: 07:26:36 AM
Richi@oz – thank you for your positive submission. What a shame more people don’t use their nous like you have. Merry Christmas and have a great 2006! To you Campbell@au – you must lead a very sheltered life and I do feel sorry for you. You must never leave your own abode with all the crime surrounding you day in and day out so with this in mind, I don’t see the need for you to be concerned about our airline problem. You mention ‘domestic problem’. I’m not sure what you mean here, but again I guess with all the domestic problems people face over there every day it is easy to assume we are the same. Bad vibes??? – no we don’t have any of them here either. But thanks for raising the issue. The more I read your submission the more I feel for you and so wish I could offer some assistance but I guess the best advice I can give is with the fear you obviously are experiencing at the moment , you might like to call Lifeline – which is a free call. I am sure they will assist in helping you come to terms with your problem. I hope your Christmas and New Year will be safe and fearless for you and do make an effort to get out and enjoy the festivities.
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 22 December 2005
Time: 07:57:57 PM
Cambell@oz This forum has turned a full 360 degrees in the last 6 months with you bringing up the murder.WOW if people stayed away because they were frightened we would have no visitors in Sydney or for that matter Wollongong were there are unsolved murders going back 35 to 40 years but still we get tourists.What about visitors to this forum leave the murder to the Police and don't keep bringing it up. As I reiterated previously why can't people be CONSTRUCTIVE not DESTRUCTIVE in this forum and try to help this beautiful island back on their feet.Over the years they have had enough kicks in the GUTS but they still bounce back. So come on CONSTRUCTIVE ideas please so NORFOLK ISLAND can be the winner.
Name: grow up
Email: growup
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 December 2005
Time: 05:46:33 PM
I am a regular Norfolk visitor and do not worry about a crime that happened years ago. As per the previous post will people stop going to Sydney's beachside suburbs? I don't think so! As it says "Please make sure all entries are constructive" everybody can we please move on and talk about some of the good things that happen on Norfolk!
Name: mmmmm
Email: mmmmm@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 December 2005
Time: 05:26:15 PM
Campbell @ Aus - ROT... We are not immune to anything - but we ARE safer than Cronulla, Hurstville, Lakemba, Campsie, Punchbowl, Cabramatta, Mount Druit and Just about everywhere else in AUS.....
Name: Campbell
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 22 December 2005
Time: 02:54:26 PM
With all the current problems re airline and domestic problems, there is still the underlying nervousness regarding the unsolved murder on Norfolk Island, until that is resolved and it has to be to free the island of bad vibes. It was such a public issue that not many were unaware of what happened there as there was so much publicity on the case, some would still not feel safe to go there.
Name: Living in the Seventies
Email: Norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 December 2005
Time: 09:59:50 AM
At the risk of being told "Its old hat" Lets look at what worked for Norfolk. Remember Mrs Dixon who was a N.I. specialist booking. Joe and Joycie worked for her in Sydney. She was doing something right. Lets look at our most prosperous seasons and take a look from there as to how we can fix things . The Jazz Fest and Opera in the ruins , Golf Country music, these are all things that appeal to people so how can we expand . How are talks with Jetstar and virgin ? Maybe it is WHO is doing the talking that is not clinching a deal. Why is Lord Howe being pushed over Norfolk. We need to think outside the square and be open to all thoughts. What is involved in making us a domestic destination ? Is that possible ? Throw open Forum to positive constructive ideas and you never know what will come of it. I recently spoke to a 23 year old travel agent who was on Norfolk earlier in the year and she heard the old story before she went as was so surprised, Norfolk has so much going for it. the only thing she didn't get to do was go on a progressive dinner. She would have liked to see the Island homes. I have a lot more I can contribute in ideas, some need to be approached delicately e.g. Kahva but there is a lot of people who love Norfolk and want her to be a top prized destination so lets all get our heads together.
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 December 2005
Time: 09:57:51 AM
Just listening to the goon show and I have to say I am stunned that ALL THEY are concerned about is a bloody helicopter. Forget the economy, the airline problem and the tourism, let's just worry about a &$%#^$% helicopter. Gentlemen - surrender now, step down before you totally stuff us and the island up. You all should be disgraced with yourselves.
Name: Kjel Buffett
Email: kjel@dodo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 December 2005
Time: 08:57:44 AM
Merry Christmas yorley, after reading everyones submissions regarding the state of tourism and the Government of Norfolk Island, it seems quite clear that the gov. needs to get together with all of the tourism and hospitality operators and come up with a plan of attack, Australians have a very outdated view of Norfolk Island, they think they could only go there if they are old and retired, what nonsense! it is time to educate the travel agents and the airlines on what Norfolk has to offer people of all ages. Norfolk Island is a wonderful place and should not be run by people who do not understand her, so stand together and start to fix the problems that all can see from the outside, because you are not painting a pretty picture at this very point in time and we do not want those Australian politicians taking away the right to be a Norfolk Islander. Living in Australia gets harder and harder every liberal year of Government and it is not for Norfolk. The Australian Gov. is just a larger version of Norfolks, so my advice is vote carefully in the next election and weed out the problems before it is too late and everyone knows there are a number of weeds that have been re elected year after year and it has to stop! Feel free to comment on what I have written, but please submitt your name....stand up and be counted!!!
Name: unoo
Email: unoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 December 2005
Time: 06:48:46 AM
to waldun, Im glad that you have given credit where it is due. All people do o here is focus on the negatives, but if they looked a bit deeper they might see that the government does do alot of good. I wonder how people would react if all they ever got was picking and never any compliments?. I for one do believe that norfolk will turn around. Its been a couple of years of deficit, but behind the scenes things are on the move.
Name: Ben
Email: ben@xxx
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 December 2005
Time: 12:52:19 AM
I agree with the previous comments, I have made enquiries at quite a few travel agents regarding Norfolk Island and they just couldn't or wouldn't recommend it. Many travel staff are not that clued up on the island and what is on offer (whose fault is that)- they tend to push more exotic destinations on busy airline routes. Could it be that major airlines have the upper hand in this and the agents just fall into line. Norfolk has never shaken off the fact that its an oldies destination, there is nothing there for young people who do most of the travelling these days. Perhaps its time you considered linking up with Lord Howe on a tourist share arrangement.
Name: Lantana Rid
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 December 2005
Time: 12:32:44 AM
Thanks Timmiti's Crack, you knew exacyly who I was aiming at.To anyone who thought I did, I made NO comment about who is or is'nt at fault for the state of tourism or of the island. I also made no comment about who or who should'nt run it. However, I do know that Norfolk has a load more going for it than just scenery. I know that if you look at the prices of flights to Norfolk which are placed as normal fares OUTSIDE of some of the major travel agencies in Australia that some of them say that a return airfare is over $1000.00. When I walked inside to inquire about it , turns out that that includes a stop off in the New Zealand airport, not even a quick look outside. Then I asked a consultant if she knew anything about Norfolk because "I have heard it is really nice and would love to go there". SO she tried to talk me in to going to Lord Howe instead without even asking what I was looking for. I asked the other two consultants if they knew anything about Norfolk because they did'nt have anyone with them at the time. They said "NO". I then asked her for some Norfolk brochures and was just about to ask for some Lord Howe brochures (so that I could see what it has, that Norfolk does'nt have) but before I got the chance to ask, she just picked them up, put them in the bag, and suggested I take them because she thought I would ilke it better. Well how would she know if she does'nt even know anything about Norfolk or me? Before I left I asked for the cheaper prices for direct flights to Norfolk, which ofcourse were a lot cheaper and there was not even one word offered about package deals or accommodation etc. As soon as I got home I looked at all of the brochures I got. You should have a look too if you have'nt already. Norfolk has way more to offer and that is a fact. (I EVEN DARE YOU TO ASK ME WHAT). It just does'nt say it all in the brochures. What a huge worry that major travel agents in Australia are doing that. Are they doing it in other places as well? How would a fare over $1000.00 compare to a return fare for Lord Howe? These sorts of things can have a big effect on tourism. I believe that these sorts of problems can be dealt with and quickly. Enough for now but definately something to think about.
Name: Concerned
Email: xxx@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 11:01:47 PM
It might take something like no planes to Norfolk to wake everyone up - remember Eva Yager her words wakey wakey will come back to haunt you all. You voted these guys into the assembly and you will pay a very big price. Bet they are scampering around like chooks with their heads cut off at the moment - its the last throw of the dice for them its fix the problem or stand aside and let others take control. If they mess this one up they can't stay in there running the island. As for the Cardno "get me out of this one" pleading. I wouldn't mind getting that much money in a fortnight for services rendered. Just exactly were you doing Mr. Cardno?
Name: waaldun
Email: waaldun@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 09:40:31 PM
Congratulations to our Government for the quick fix to our immediate Airline situation. Had they not acted so quickly there wouldve been alot of disappointed travellers & families this Christmas. With Qantas telling passengers there will be no flights until 1st January, and there are no flights to Norfolk and suggesting to people they cash in their ticket or use it to go elsewhere on the Qantas network - it wasnt an easy task. Seems Qantas still advising passengers against travel to Norfolk Island as of today, eventhough it is THEIR metal operating the next two flights..... Some disruptions may be forthcoming - but aint that better than the Alternative in this instance!!!!!!...... We should ALL support our Government in their initative to keep Air Services to Norfolk Island - we cant do without it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: waaldun
Email: waaldun@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 09:34:43 PM
Congratulations to our Government for the quick fix to our immediate Airline situation. Had they not acted so quickly there wouldve been alot of disappointed travellers & families this Christmas. With Qantas telling passengers there will be no flights until 1st January, and there are no flights to Norfolk and suggesting to people they cash in their ticket or use it to go elsewhere on the Qantas network - it wasnt an easy task. Seems Qantas still advising passengers against travel to Norfolk Island as of today, eventhough it is THEIR
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 07:28:09 PM
all for success well done grant tell it how it is. to wundering you only lose identity if you allow others to take it from you, politics has nothing to do with it. history, heritage and soul in that heritage will change no matter what.
Name: Dearyme
Email: southpacificisland
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 07:20:34 PM
Wundering...I wonder if you are to cast your eyes towards Lord Howe Island you will see something that represents what we will could be like...maybe? It is a bit rash to determine something that hasn't happened...what will happen if we do not consider this option?... we could end up in such a position not to be able to negotiate with the Australian Government if we leave it too long...or we could start losing good families from the island as families are forced off the island...the only real way for the Norfolk Island Government to get them selves out of this mess is to cut expenditure...now where do you think that would happen? The Public service, thats where...what unemployment benefits exist for the unemployed??? What assistance would be provided to those in the Public service that would lose their jobs? None! The reports that have just been released do not paint a pretty picture... to flog it off and say we will pull through this one unscathed is to bury ones head in the sand...don't get me wrong I would love nothing more than to wake up tomorrow to hear that the Norfolk Island government has come up with a solution that will save our necks...the Golden mile could certainly turn to coal very shortly if the Government of the day does not call it a day and start negotiating now we could be further down the waste management stream than we already are...but give credit where credit is due and that is...the government of the day and past have done us proud by at least trying to keep our heads above water.
Name: wundering
Email: wunder
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 06:35:49 PM
I was thinking , that if aussie take us over we would be no longer eligible to compete as a separate entity in the commonwealth and pacific games?. As for having any control over dole bludgers or immigration. It would leave Norfolk Islanders as second class citizens as all of the public service would be taken over by foreigners who would have less idea than what we would. I urge people to hang in there as good times are around the corner and we should all be here to experience it as with our destiny in our own hands.I rreally think what is killing norfolk is big city solutions being forced on us for a little community,m and we are caught up in a bureacratic jungle. Please read the latest cgc report and see what they admit has happened to christmas island since they had self government taken off them. AUSSIE TAKING US OVER WOULD RESULT IN THE LOSS OF OUR WHOLE IDENTITY
Name: rahoolli
Email: @r-hump
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 05:38:57 PM
grant cardno has had the guts to come on here & state his case - maybe its time for the NI govt to do the same
Name: Tarni Skinch
Email: ts@Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 04:47:54 PM
Can someone tell me what is happening with the airline travel to Norfolk and return to Sydney and Brisbane. I am thinking of booking a flight to your island with accommodation for 3 weeks, I don't want to get over there and not be able to get back to Australia. Can you please advise me?
Name: Norfolk
Email: Norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 01:21:35 PM
I think in is time the current assembly stepped aside so we can have an election. The new candidates can identify the problems as they see them and how they will solve them. The successful candidates will have the mandate to implement there solutions with the backing of the people. All the people that are having trouble with the current Government/Admin system will then have a chance to do something about it. This would give Norfolk it's last chance to solve it's problems and if it fails then Canberra would have a clear mandate to step in and solve the problems for us. If the Government does not step aside soon and I mean real soon then a potion should be send round calling for then to step down.
Name: Grant Cardno
Email: lmci_8@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 12:49:16 PM
ATTESTATION I, Grant Cardno make the following statement in defence of the recent allegations of my involvement in a 34 million investment opportunity. 1. I am not involved with the 34 million investment opportunity. 2. My role was as a consultant to the company involved in the subsequent 34 million investment opportunity. This was over five years ago. 3. The SCC will discover this during their audit and my name will be cleared. 4. My name was only associated and listed due to my consultancy and initial help in the start up of the group. 5. My assets are not frozen. 6. The media got it wrong and will, I trust offer an apology in due course. 7. At the time of discussions with the group, I was trading successfully with a legitimate Financial Company and my name and reputation was used by the group for investment purposes. This also involved the use of “sample” contracts using my company name. Five years ago I did receive three payments over a two week period totalling 100K for the initial start up for various reasons. 8. Investors were later advised (as I understood it to be) that I was not involved in any way with the companies operation. 9. The group were as I understood it to be, successfully trading with another group and operating on their own accord right up to the time that the SCC performed an audit on their company. Their trading and their investors have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with me. I am not privy to any information as to the reason why the group were subject to an audit, this will come out in due course. 10. If there is any fault on my part, it was my willingness to see people (investors) become successful and to the best of my knowledge, the many investors in their group have been blest over the five year period. As a result of the allegations I have voluntarily stepped down from all leadership responsibilities within the Community until such time as I have been cleared. I would hope that my attestation will put to rest the gossip by those whose desire it is to put down someone who seeks the best of others and loves success himself. This I attest, dated this nineteenth day of December, 2005
Name: sad
Email: riddim@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 11:41:03 AM
I don't live on NI anymore but still have family ties to the Island and am hoping to get back all gong well with teh airlines. I see from here that the place is going down fast. The continued crises invloved with the air services has been handled really badly, although its seems that Air Nauru was all that was available at the time. Unfortunate that Nauru itself is incompetently managed. As much as I would have wished NI to remain self-governing, I've only recently changed my mind and concluded that, sadly, there is no other option but to return to rule from Canberra. But like a previous forumer said, negotiations need to occur before the very end, so that at least the island may be in some position to bargain for concessions in cultural identity (an absolute must) and taxation. Its really sad to see beautiful and special Norfolk in this position. I hope I'm not being too simplistic, pessimistic and defeatist. Please feel free to offer some criticism (runs for cover.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 11:31:48 AM
Nottelling, I am being sincere in my suggestion to you, after reading so many of your posts, why don't you just go and live in Australia. WHy the heck would you want to turn us into another Austrlia. We no moosa wunt et. Norfolk has been self governed for 149 years, some of them tough, some of them prosperous. To you and the rest of them who are making knee jerk reactions and assumptions about things I say get over yourselves, if you don't like how things are and can not accept them then leave. Why would you demand for a foreign country to take over the place?
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 09:33:55 AM
Timiti's Crack, Lantana Rid: Nobody is running down the Island, they are merely stating the obvious - the people in charge of the island, ie the MLAs and the Admin management, ARE NOT doing their job properly! Look at it realistically - if self government was all it's cracked up to be by it's proponents, do you really think NI would be in the mess it's in now? Notice now, when report after report comes out, how they are all saying the same thing? Norfolk is in the shit! The island, and in particular, the various assemblies, have known about the precarious state of the island's finances for some time, but done nothing! THEY are the reason the island is in the state it's in now, not people saying out loud what's been whispered amongst locals for years. I say the MLA's should admit defeat, eat humble pie and go see Canberra, and say we tried, it's not working, can you help us out? By going now we may still be able to negotiate things like immigration,taxes, etc. If we leave it too late and the Aussie government is forced to take over they will TELL us what is going to happen, like it or lump it. Then where will the island be? We will have more infrastructure sure, but we will also have all the problems of immigration being controlled by people to whom Norfolk is an outline on a map, amongst others. Go and demand from the assembly that action be taken to prevent our quality of life from declining even further. Aussie needs to come in now!
Name: Darls
Email: darls@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 06:45:37 AM
The following news article may allay further rumours, innuendo and negativity. May everyone on Norfolk and abroad have a SAFE and MERRY CHRISTMAS and NEW YEAR. 2006 hatta be batta fer ucklun :) Nauru's only passenger jet has been seized by trustees after a ruling by the Australian High court. Last Friday the court upheld an earlier ruling that Air Nauru had to surrender the jet to a trustee for the American Export-Import Bank. The US claimed ownership of the plane after Nauru defaulted on loan payments. Nauru authorities are now scrambling to make alternative arrangments, including asking the Washington based bank to defer taking over the plane until after the Christmas rush. Nauru's finance minister, Dr Kieren Keke, says the loss of the aircraft will have a major impact on the region. "The timing is terrble it's one week before Christmas, we've got thousands of people booked all trying to get home and reunite with family and friends and school children and all sorts of people. "This effects Nauru and Kiribati in particular as we have no alternative air services at all, but it also impacts on Norfolk Island which has been using our sevice as well as, to a degree, Solomons and Marshalls, who have also been relying on the service that Air Nauru provides," Dr Keke said.
Name: Local
Email: @home
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 06:43:16 AM
Yes another series of unfortunate events takes place...this doesn't alter the fact that Norfolk Island is still and always will be a Jewel of the sea...whilst you can bag the Government for their association with Air Nauru you must remember that Air Nauru has been the plane of choice for almost 3 years(?)and has provided a plane that has successfully brought people to our island...Nauru has its share fare of corrupt...so does Australia...in the end we are still here plane or no plane and in tough times we have to knuckle down, band together and get through it...it may be time for us to accept a life ring from Australia?
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 06:13:33 AM
to timitti's crack ...ouch! lantana rid the scenery only goes so far doesnt provide income for proprietors pull your head in
Name: Timitti's Crack
Email: here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Time: 04:41:04 AM
Shannon and your band of ignorant friends on this forum - get a life, get the facts and use your brain???? before you splatt off your garbage on here. Yorlye ess bloody pathetic, useless, drop-kicks and hindrence to any society. One can't help but feel sorry for people like you. I hope you have a good Xmas and make one of your new year's resolution...."I will be happy and positive from now on".
Name: Lantana Rid.
Email: here
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 11:40:26 PM
You know, it seems to me that there a few people writing in to this forum that have absolutely nothing to contribute but who are obviously just looking to stir and to kick a stunningly, beautiful, completely unique island while it is down. If you are even half as bright as you think you are, then why is it that you have not one single idea to put forward that would help? If you are so bright, then why are you trying to kill the confidence of the islanders? If you think that you are so cleaver, then why have you got absolutely nothing to offer? You are only making a total fool of yourself to anyone who really knows the island and the islanders, plus to anyone who has enough of a business brain to recognise a fair bit of what is really going wrong. Why do'nt you use your time wisely instead, sit and think for a long while about what you are truly contributing to Norfolk or even to the planet? Perhaps when you work out that it is NOTHING but toxic waste, then maybe you will also work out that you could use your brain to think or say something that is actually intelligent and of some use.
Name: kardoo
Email: kardoo@au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 08:44:15 PM
Seems like a great stuff up who got your island into this mess? The Nauru government must have been smerking like crazy when you guys fell for the big sell. Another reason your controllers in Administration must be cast out of the chamber for good.
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 08:19:44 PM
Reposession of Nauru Air aeroplane, is another nail in your coffin Norfolk Island. Whose smart idea was it to link your island to Nauru especially with the known corruption in that Government. Seems they weren't paying their bills this time either (wonder what they were doing with the money paid out by Norfolk Island?
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 07:52:37 PM
When you vote in the old boys club into your ADMIN who do not have proper financial qualifications, you deserve the outcome, an island swimming in debt.
Name: Dearyme
Email: southpacificisland
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 07:27:43 PM
Well my friends the Norfolk Island Government/Administration appear to be doing the same thing that they took Norfolk Jet to task for and that is not being in a postion to pay fully for the services that they require...when one works for no money and has to take time off instead...hhmmm???? The Acumen Alliance report says it all! We are barely treading water...now another bombshell hits us broadside as another well publicised event takes place...how can you expect prospective visitors to have any faith in travel to Norfolk island with so many repetative liquidations??? Who is next? Faith in this Government has long subsided...it is now time for them to call it a day and let Australia handle the affairs. To think and expect the local populous and a few visitors each year is enough to raise enough capital to keep this place alive think again...why wont the major players fly here?...I suppose it is because they are smart enough to know that there is no money in it for them...we to from here???????
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:43:46 PM
Time has come for the Administration to be removed and the Australian Government should take control. You can still keep all the cultural and history but will be secure that the costs of running your hospital, the airport upgrades and everyone of you can be under the Australian taxation system and receive Medicare benefits. That way those that are making big bucks out of Tourism and those fat cats living over there avoiding tax will have to pay their fair share of tax so that the island can run efficiently.
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:43:38 PM
Time has come for the Administration to be removed and the Australian Government should take control. You can still keep all the cultural and history but will be secure that the costs of running your hospital, the airport upgrades and everyone of you can be under the Australian taxation system and receive Medicare benefits. That way those that are making big bucks out of Tourism and those fat cats living over there avoiding tax will have to pay their fair share of tax so that the island can run efficiently.
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:43:14 PM
Time has come for the Administration to be removed and the Australian Government should take control. You can still keep all the cultural and history but will be secure that the costs of running your hospital, the airport upgrades and everyone of you can be under the Australian taxation system and receive Medicare benefits. That way those that are making big bucks out of Tourism and those fat cats living over there avoiding tax will have to pay their fair share of tax so that the island can run efficiently.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:36:38 PM
we all live in a very small community, who are the people making the rules and doing it so badly, i am beginning to believe more so no one knows whats going on because they talk aload of stuff and scare people.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:35:30 PM
we all live in a very small community, who are the people making the rules and doing it so badly, i am beginning to believe more so no one knows whats going on because they talk aload of stuff and scare people.
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:13:20 PM
The Norfolk Island Administration must have been aware of the track record of the Nauru Government and their mounting debts. Whose idea was it to deal with them anyway? Norfolk Island has mounting debts as well so much so they couldn't pay the interest due on a loan from the Australian Government. Don't sit back Norfolk Islanders demand prompt action before your beautiful island sinks under a mountain of debt. No tourists = no money = disaster!!!!
Name: John
Email: helpnorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 06:00:40 PM
Shannon, what other choice did the Norfolk admin have when all the other airlines said no Qantas, Virgin and Alliance to name a few, Norfolk needs an airlink to Oz seeing that where most of the tourists come from and not Kiwi!
Name: JJ
Email: no
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 05:55:26 PM
Shannon, the airline that the Norfolk admin hired the plane off Air Nauru defaulted on their payments to the owners of their aircraft. That's why Norfolk doesn't have a plane the only thing admin was guilty of was picking the wrong airline to lease the plane off!
Name: Shannon
Email: sk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 04:17:49 PM
Don't tell me NI has no planes again. What on earth was Administration getting into running the show? Knew it would be a disaster from the start - with no money how could they run an airline successfully. What a mess, so sorry for all of you on NI. Hang your heads in shame Norfolk MP's.
Name: Need an Airline
Email: y
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 12:51:33 PM
What happened to Jetstar? I was on Norfolk a couple of weeks ago and Chief Minister Geoff was on the radio saying he was in talks with Jetstar and he was hoping for an answer soon! Hope for Norfolk's sake something is sorted out soon and a better solution than Air Nauru is found!
Name: in the dark
Email: inthedark.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 12:01:27 PM
Scuse me, what do you mean "NO PLANE" Is there no service via Aussie ? What happened ? Me big mushroom me thinks
Name: No Plane
Email: plane@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 December 2005
Time: 09:23:48 AM
What happens now to norfolk island air services???? No plane to fly here. Did they prepare for this since everyone new it would happen or did they hide their heads in the sand again... Well Mr Gardener ???? Oh thats right your on holiday....
Name: Air XXXX
Email: oooooh@itagain
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 17 December 2005
Time: 04:02:15 PM
How does that song go????...and another one bites the dust!!!
Name: Aussie on Norfolk
Email: @@@.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Saturday, 17 December 2005
Time: 01:37:52 PM
Aussie and proud of it.............don't be such a smart arse. Perhaps if more of your lot were less racist and intimidating you wouldn't have the problems you have now.
Name: Aussie & proud of it
Email: Aussie@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 15 December 2005
Time: 08:15:51 PM
Maybe we could send over a few gangs from Sydney over your way I'm sure they would love the beaches on Norfolk - maybe you can target them in your tourism drives. If they are over there then we can enjoy our beachside suburbs without fear of intimidation.
Name: car do fe eat
Email: signs_of_the_times
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 15 December 2005
Time: 07:20:10 PM
batta ya den ean sydney ---- see da way dem se cum ----- meary cresmes yourley.......
Name: Bernard Bray
Email: berbray@au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 15 December 2005
Time: 01:12:57 PM
Read on yorlye: - http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19492.htm
Name: Deary Me
Email: Southpacificisland
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 15 December 2005
Time: 05:12:21 AM
What is wrong with you people...you are like a dog that chases a stick...do you believe everything the media tells you? Well Mr Cardno may not be not squeaky clean but there is two sides to every story...comments like Kick him off etc...hmmm I could imagine you people as Judge..?"We will give you a fair trial...but we will hang you in the morning!" As I said in my previous posts I have my doubts about the man in questions but this is not the place to bring your opinions to...it borders on personal which is what the host of this webpage has asked not to do! You are taking an individual and parading it on this forum without a fair go for the individual...fine to point out the media release that is there for the world to see...but to make judgement on small information is just not cricket!
Name: georgia
Email: gg@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 09:02:45 PM
When you get the Knox News site from the reference on previous post do a search on the site for grant cardno and up will come two entries you can have a read of. Cheers
Name: georgia
Email: gg@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 08:59:50 PM
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/gvx_scouting_report/article/0,1406KNS_19016_4313138,00.html Got it right this time. Happy reading folk.
Name: georgia
Email: gg@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 08:57:35 PM
http://www.knoxnew.com/kns/gvx_scouting_report/article/0,1406KNS_19016_4313138,00.html Read and be astonished folk.
Name: Well I never
Email: curious@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 08:18:02 PM
Sorry guys this is the wedbsite http://www.feastoftabernaclesministries.com/profeticpeoplearise/
Name: Well I never
Email: curious@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 08:17:48 PM
Sorry guys this is the wedbsite http://www.feastoftabernaclesministries.com/profeticpeoplearise/
Name: Well I never
Email: curious@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 08:12:17 PM
Well surprise surprise, Mr.Cardno's assets being frozen due to fraud. Check out one of his asssociates also named in the Us Federal Court as being involved. http://www.feastoftabernaclesministries/com/profecticpeoplearise/ amazing should be profitpeople arise don't you reckon. So much for religion greed and power takes over. Those that seem to be well lined are most likely up to no good. Norfolk should kick him out, letting types like this on your island is a big mistake.
Name: Deary Me
Email: Southpacificisland
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 06:32:55 PM
Remember there is an old saying when you point your finger count how many fingers point back at you! Whilst the media like to home in on a so called good story, there is no truth until tried! (That is in a court of law) If the kangaroo court had its way many inocnet person would be hung drawn and quartered...also if you live here through the past debarcle you would remember the dirt that the media dragged up and how much of it was really true!? They are in the for the money. I have my own thoughts and opinions re the person in question and it ain't necessarily good...but thats between me and know one else...that is how one should voice their opinions don't you think???
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 05:19:16 PM
I agree with chickpea - have you forgotten innocent until proven guilty? Norfolk has got more than enough problems of it's own without drawing some in from other places.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 04:41:09 PM
to 'check this out' its people like you that make people around here miserable, what business is it of yours to give grant shit and stir when he has been harrassed enough on this island due to a bunch of jelous arsholes
Name: Check This Out
Email: god_help_us.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 14 December 2005
Time: 07:20:30 AM
Well Well Well............check this out Norfolk Island. I wonder how Cardno will wriggle out of this one. Court freezes assets of Forest Lake man A U.S. court froze the assets of six men — including a Forest Lake man — after a regulator accused them of orchestrating a $36 million high-yield offering fraud that stretches from Texas to the South Pacific. "The defendants are offering and selling interests in purported foreign and international bank deposit programs, promising 4 to 12 percent monthly returns without risk," the Securities and Exchange Commission said Monday in a litigation release. The freeze, granted by a federal court judge in Sherman, Texas, names Travis Correll of Atlanta and his businesses Net Worth Group Inc. and Travis Correll & Co.; Gregory Thompson of San Antonio and TNT Office Supply Inc.; Dwight Johnson of Garland, Texas; Harry Robinson "Robbie" Gowdey of Frisco, Texas; Grant Cardno of Norfolk Island in Australia; and Neulan Midkiff of Forest Lake.
Name: Shayne-ex Wokaway cook
Email: tedricoflomaar@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 13 December 2005
Time: 10:42:01 AM
Too all the kind, friendly people of Norfolk (especially Jarrod, Kane and all at the Garrison), a very merry christmas and an especially prosperous new year!! Shayne, Marie, Jacinta, Michael, Jon & Josh!! P.S. Hows the noodle bar going?
Name: Hummingbird
Email: hummingbird_882@yahoo.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 11 December 2005
Time: 10:46:43 AM
New poll for the Norfolk Brainstormwers group: What would be the best way(s) to improve Norfolk's economic viability? Have your say and have a great day yorley!http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/norfolkbrainstormers/
Name: Oh Lordy
Email: nicejob@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 10 December 2005
Time: 08:18:13 AM
Simon, Are you serious?? $68,000.00 per year... keeping in mind, how many holidays a year do you get and what time do you knock off?? Should of been a teacher!!
Name: Simon
Email: yarite
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 December 2005
Time: 03:08:03 PM
C'mon Aussie - the average teacher wage is not $78,000 or more - if it is you lot owe me another $10,000 per year!
Name: NIDS
Email: auction@swapshop.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 December 2005
Time: 02:31:44 PM
From the Team at NIDS We are proud announce http://swapshop.nf This is Norfolk’s own ebay type site were your sell all your treasures or pick up a bargain. This is a free services so go for it. The Team Norfolk Island Data Services
Name: phone calls
Email: cheap
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 09 December 2005
Time: 08:19:37 AM
Cheaper phone calls ---- ENJOY http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/08/technology/yahoo_phone.reut/
Name: C'mon on Ausie
Email: cmonausie@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 December 2005
Time: 07:40:22 AM
In Response to Warts & All. Our only option left is for Australia to include us in their tax regime. Norfolk Islands income can no longer support the way of life that is expected of our community today. ie. Expenses far outway our income. I will elaborate for you. 1) Norfolk Islands now has to pay for mercy Flights. 2) Norfolk Island Government still continues to pay the gross Australian wage to the School teachers at an average wage of greater than $78,000 dollars each. (As well as the recently awarded 4% pay rise each year for the next four years. additional expense after expense to our community. I could go on forever but I think the community already can see the writing on the wall !!!!!!!! Whats is left for us to do but move under Ozzie!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Nail on the Head
Email: it-depends-on-who-you-are-like-a-certain-MLA.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 December 2005
Time: 05:33:25 PM
Well said truck. No doubt the person in charge of the whole operation [I point - you whistle] will squirm his way out of it should an accident occur. I saw the speeding QLD registerd vehicles at lunch time and wondered where the cops were as well. But see then again - they are all as bad as each other.
Name: truck
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 December 2005
Time: 12:38:56 PM
What happens if one of the big unregistered trucks of the barg that are speeding though town smashes into someone or is that OK and Boom Boxs arn't.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 December 2005
Time: 08:23:45 AM
all possilibities like that were covered in the beginner's MLA course Common Sense 101 - oh wait - norfolk MLA's weren't included
Name: inyadreamsbuddy
Email: mysesorrypert@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 07 December 2005
Time: 11:35:06 PM
thats because they want to build a new beach thats not such a long walk as anson lazy MLA lunchtimes! good job if you can get it ...........at the moment anyway
Name: se mard
Email: hihi_orna_stone
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 December 2005
Time: 05:08:05 AM
why does the newly erected Ball Bay rock pile have to be removed every time the Barge comes and goes? ---- with a Government that is broke, would common sense prevail to just leave it there and repair it rather than having to tear it down and rebuild before the arrival of the next barge? ------ Dar thing fe one fulla's or ya (es expensive).
Name: resident
Email: @N.I
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 09:56:11 PM
warts and all .........thats why "another locals " points are so good!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: warts n all
Email: oz@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 06:50:59 PM
Why do some on Norfolk want Australia to take control? I think you are doing a fair job already. If they do take control, you will lose your uniqueness. Norfolk is great , warts and all, and in comparison to other pacific islands has a high standard of living. It actually has a higher standard than most regional towns in Australia. So please think carefully, work on what youve got and count your blessings, because mark my words, under australia you will not be better off. DONT GET SUCKED IN
Name: jus wondrin
Email: bogan@riviera
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 06:26:59 PM
why does Norfolk have to look like westie/bogan/bevan/chigger/booner parts of Oz moving east. instead of authentic Polynesia moving west. shouldnt blacktown, mt druitt, frankston(bogan riviera)etc. stop at Lord Howe? wheres the overall town plan? http://www.janeresture.com/oceania_arch/
Name: JJ
Email: jj@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 01:46:41 PM
Lets say Norfolk comes under Aussie jurisdiction with tax, etc. and the economy gets a boost...great! What controls would be put in place in regards to buildings and other progress? Who decides? What if someone comes along and wants to build a couple of cafes down along the Emily bay waterfront? Or a resort out near Anson? What if there are more of those gastly looking and completely unrequired concrete paths like the one going from the school down Queen Elizabeth? You may think one cafe near emily is fine, but fast forward a couple of years and you'll be looking at a strip of shops, accomodation, concrete jungle baby! I like the fact that I used to walk from school in to town along a dirt track and grass, I like swimming in emily and not having to look at anything apart from the change sheds and wetls bus in summer, I even occasionally like the odd pot hole when I drive my car with one door that doesn't open!! Call me crazy but everything perfect and neat, straight lines, gutters, concrete paths, etc etc is just bloody ugly....if we need Australia to bring in taxes and all that goes with it, fine. But please tell me we aren't going to start spending all this money on shit we don't need.
Name: Hold On
Email: laidback@norfolk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 12:10:05 PM
Wait a minute...Norfolk is Unique - No arguments here...But what makes it Unique is the laid back lifestyle which is the attraction in itself...If the laid back lifestyle is lost, so too is the Uniqueness... The oyster has been there for all to enjoy for many years in the past and will for many years in the future despite all of the talk of doom and gloom. u·nique ( P ) Pronunciation Key (y-nk) adj. Being the only one of its kind: the unique existing example of Donne's handwriting. Without an equal or equivalent; unparalleled. I cannot think of many destinations on the planet that is as accessable and as Unique as Norfolk....Try and be something you are not is fraught with danger.
Name: Ernie Garratt
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 10:29:01 AM
Yes of course Norfolk Islanders of Bounty descend must still keep their culture and language but Australia must take over the administration for the stability of the island. Proper controls must be put in place so that roadworks, airport upgrades, medical and hospital expenses can be met, be it by introducing the Australian tax system to the island will again be able to function efficiently. When that happens Airlines will take interest in supporting that route and with upgraded runways bigger aircraft can be accommodated. Makes sense to me that this is the only way out of your current problems. Where intrenched individuals have all the say for years leads to problems. Hope it all works out well in the future. Norfolk is unique but is far too laid back and needs new and exiting ventures to attract tourism. The world is your oyster guys - get to it.
Name: Food for thought..
Email: sunnie_44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 09:37:53 AM
'Another local' - I agree with your statement! I can't get over how people are making this issue into such a big deal than what it really has to be! Just because something may be written down formally on a piece of paper stating that Norfolk is or will be counted as Austrlian citizens, it does not change the fact that your an Islander! That is your blood, that's where you were born, and nothing will change that or take that away from you. It's just like people from Asia or wherever, become an Australian Citizen. Just because it is formally written down on a piece of paper stating that they're an Australian Citizen doesn't change the fact that they still have asian blood in them! And that is to say, if Australia steps in and helps Norfolk financially, it doesn't mean you are an Australian Citizen, you are just under the umbrella of Australia. But isn't Norfolk a territory of NSW, anyway?! If this is so, hasn't Norfolk still managed to keep it's history and culture of what makes up Norfolk Island? We STILL have our own special language and Island food and culture. See, that hasn't been taken away from us, and NOTHING can take that away from us, because that is what makes Norfolk Island so special and unique!
Name: resident
Email: resident@N.I.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Time: 08:50:57 AM
to another local............you are a breath of fresh air and should run for president........you would have my and many others vote i an sure. if only all on N.I. could think and realize this we could all get on with our lives in a possitive and peaceful way with out all the recent bickering........which realy is just small minded crap! enjoy this god given paradise for what it is .............paradise.
Name: Another Local
Email: @home
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 05 December 2005
Time: 08:44:15 PM
It seems there is someone else posting as local as I did a few postings back so I am posting as just another local. The arguments can go on and on until the cows come home wether or not we are Australians or Norfolk Islanders...in reality you are what you are,like Queenslanders are Queenslanders, Sydneyites are Sydney ites etc etc...no one and no body can ever take that away from you regardless of what passport you hold or currency you use...though in the end we come under the umbrella that makes up that of Australia...remember we were nearly governed by the French! Australia is responsible for the outer islands and to think by any means we can be independant of this is a farce...it is now only just coming to fruitation that Norfolk Island is struggling under the pressures of the mighty dollar...the cost of living is blowing way out of proportions...I know my family is now finding it very tough...you may be feeling the pinch too? if not you soon will be...we need Australia like we need a rain coat or an umbrella when it rains...and at the moment it is pouring if you get my drift...to those whom are proud Norfolk Islanders stay proud as you are Norfolk Island born and Breed islanders and Norfolk Island is our home...no one can take that away from you. The Northern Territory has many tribal people that are free to practise there cultures and traditions we need to take a leaf from their books...this is what we need to strive for if Australia is to take control...Norfolk Island,its people and traditions are unique (and in some ways I think that the rest of the world is jealous)and must be maintained no matter what...there is an old saying "you can take the boy out of the country...but you can never take the country out of the boy!" so true..!
Name: Cosmic Pilgrim
Email: O
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 04 December 2005
Time: 03:33:40 PM
Finally got hold of a remaindered copy of Tim Latham's potboiler re. Norfolk. Latham is employed by the ABC & Allen & Unwin is apparently the ABC's publisher ...which, to all intents & purposes, makes this an Australian Broadcasting Corporation publication as per: - "Representation and Distribution In addition to its own extensive publishing programme, Allen & Unwin are the Australian and New Zealand distributors for ABC Books and Audio... " source: http://www.allenandunwin.com/aboutus.aspx ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here's a representative excerpt of Latham's (& ABC inhouse?)'style': "...imparting some wisdom about Norfolk's bedtime politics. I was intrigued with his comments because he was fucking a local, although in a nice way - he'd just married her."(p,37) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The entire tract, although tarted-up as a crime romp, is basically an extended low-brow slander against the Norfolk Islanders, by Latham as an ABC proxy. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Which would appear to be a violation of the ABC Charter as per: "Legal Responsibility 3.2.1. Broadcasters do not enjoy an unrestricted right to say what they like. Laws relating to defamation, contempt of Court, orders suppressing publication or obscene publications, tape recording of conversations, trespass and racial vilification all apply to the ABC. Editorial and program staff are expected to have a good working knowledge of how the law applies to their work." "Discrimination 9.2.1 The use of language can also embody values and ideas which are prejudicial, offensive or hurtful to groups in Australian society. 9.2.2 The presentation or portrayal of people in a way which is likely to encourage discrimination against or vilification of any person or section of the community on account or race, ethnicity, nationality, sex, age, physical or mental disability, occupational status, sexual preference or the holding of any religious cultural or political belief will be avoided. This requirement is not intended to prevent the broadcast of material which is factual, the expression of genuinely-held opinion in a news or current affairs program or presented in the legitimate context of a humorous, satirical or dramatic work." source: http://www.abc.net.au/corp/edpol.pdf reference: Racial Vilification Law in Australia http://tinyurl.com/72gee ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ref. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation is an independent Commonwealth statutory authority established under the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Act 1983. It operates a chain of retailing outlets (24 discrete ABC shops and 119 'ABC centres' within independent retailers) known as ABC Enterprises. Operations include the production of books, classical and contemporary music recordings, videos, multimedia, music and magazine publishing. The role and function of the ABC is identified in it's Charter which form part of the relevant legislation. It is accountable to the Parliament through Annual Reports, Corporate Plans and appearances before Parliamentary Committees. ref: http://www.abc.net.au/corp/charter.htm
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 04 December 2005
Time: 09:58:43 AM
My reply can be best made by asking: Why were Hawaii, Puerto Rico and other small, apparently insignificant islands off of the US coast commandeered in a similar fashion by the US government? And I think you'd agree that the value of secruity has increased substantially since 911. I know this would freak out a lot of people, on the island and in Canberra - but imagine if Indonesia, or China offered us interest Free Loans, a fairly standard practise in the world of diplomacy.
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 04 December 2005
Time: 06:42:28 AM
Norlarnen, I agree completely with your reasoning, although I do not see what NI has to offer Australia in the "larger scheme of things". Forgive my ignorance, but It seems that the Australian Government is more concerned with sucking up to the asian countries (ie: indonesia) and pandering to the needs of the yanky scourge (New World Order) and if push came to shove; they would probably stand back and let NI sink into the depths of bankruptcy and THEN collect the spoils. At the end of the day; NI's problems are no more than an annoying itch on the back of the Ozzy Gov dog!
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 03 December 2005
Time: 02:54:10 PM
Actually Erica, I do not mean this at all, as I have no concept of Australia ever taking over Norfolk, I see absolutely no reason for it. I see Norfolk Islanders (and locals who have committed their lives to the island) as a proud people who deserve full rights including self determination as has been promised not only when we were granted Norfolk Island in the 19th century but as recently as 1979 in the Nimmo Report, the basis for our current system of government. Many of our rights (large and small) have been usurped by Canberra and Australian authorities over time. Especially in recent years they have stepped up their attack on us with relentless Commissions and Inquiries. Many of the decsions they've made have been done without our consultation or even flown in the face of what the majority of our people have wanted. I believe we are much to blame, whether through innocence or ignorance we continue to buy into the "we are Australians" and that Australia offers a better way of life for us, that they have our best interests at heart, that we are so fortunate to have them support us, give us interest free loans etc. As pointed out by Cosmic Pilgrim and my earlier posting on the EEZ and Fishing rights within the Norfolk Island 200mile radius, the value of these interest free loans start to pale in comparison, think again how important Norfolk Island is to Australia and the Region - to take it further HOW MUCH ARE WE WORTH?. There is nothing wrong in doing this, it is how the world works and the reason why we are all struggling to pay our mortgages! What does Australia owe Norfolk? What does Norfolk owe Australia? NOTHING. Does Australia do anything for Norfolk from the heart? Don't be silly, its all business. Until now they have had a great time of it - because we have let them. AGAIN I am NOT for independence, but we have great opportunities to protect our island and our way of life within the current paradigm. If we would only start to negotiate and protect our interests. Which is to say - play them at their own game.
Name: Cosmic Pilgrim
Email: O
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 04:25:24 PM
The bottom line of the recent JSC report into the "Financial Sustainability" of Norfolk is this: "Conclusions A long-term strategy 3.102 It is clear to the Committee that the strategies that have been used to date by the Norfolk Island Government have not, and will not, deliver long-term financial sustainability for Norfolk Island. Given the serious challenges outlined in the first half of this chapter, the only sustainable alternative for Norfolk Island is the adoption of the taxation system of the Commonwealth of Australia." ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The foundations of "long-term financial sustainability" for the Island WERE IN FACT laid-down in 1966; with the establishment of THE VERY FIRST Pacific Islands offshore financial centre (OFC) ...on none other than Norfolk Island. Norfolk's fledgling OFC industry was promptly KILLED-OFF by Canberra, despite the fact that well over half of Australia's top 200 corporations have subsidiaries in OECD-designated tax havens. From 1968 bank deposits in OFC's have risen from approx. US$11 billion to US$2,000 billion in 1996; some pundits predict that this figure will more than double by 2006. Imagine Norfolk's revenue position NOW, if it had been permitted to capture, even as little as 1% of these transactions, over this timeframe. Recent setbacks in other Pacific OFC's have once again created an opportunity for Norfolk to become a major global offshore financial centre based on "world's best practice" in offering offshore financial services as per: http://tinyurl.com/8kxdc - cf.also: http://tinyurl.com/avw39 - Senator Lightfoot, if an OFC is kosher on a blue-chip British Crown Dependency such as the Isle of Man, by warrant of HMG [cf.http://www.isleofman.com/finance/ ]; why is it not kosher on Norfolk Island? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ref: The Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia Norfolk Island Financial Sustainability The Challenge – Sink or Swim Joint Standing Committee on the National Capital and External Territories November 2005 Canberra
Name: norlarnen
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 04:09:38 PM
Thenk yu Brud. More of our islanders AND locals need to see that our position in the relationship with Australia could/should/would be a lot stronger if we only recognised the areas that we need to grow in this relationship, ie. diplomacy. But it is completely futile without public awareness and support. This starts with those of us who care about Norfolk recognising our unique position and placing ourselves outside of the "I am an Australian" mind set.
Name: Local
Email: local.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 10:36:10 AM
Norlarnen - thanks for explaining things better. I apolgise for misunderstanding your entry. I too, like many am a born and bred Norfolk Islander, educated at NICS and understand the importance of Australia as much as I too refuse to be regarded as one. I am a Norfolk Islander. I was born here. Sorry again for misunderstanding what you were saying.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 10:08:39 AM
Local, Yours is a very predictable response, discrediting my qualifications to have an opinion and then telling me to mind my business is the kind of infantile reasoning I experienced up Maddlegaet at NICS. I state clearly that we need Australia. But this should not make us Australians and mean rolling over and playing dead. Our relationship with Australia largley defines who we are (much as how Australia's relationship with the US defines who they are) and if we are not thoughtful of this and our position in this equation we are missing out on making the relationship much more beneficial for us and losing our identity in the long run. It is amazing to me that we are even debating this, 30 years ago you would not have found one islander who would consider themselves to be anything less that a Norfolk Islander, now we have parents saying my kids are Australians with a heritage! I feel there is a lot of regressed emotion about this in some quarters which makes it very difficult for some people to debate the topic. I would suggest to these people that they reconsider their motives and think about what really is best for Norfolk - certainly not a heads in the ground attitude as you are showing here. I am NOT suggesting that we become independent. On the other hand I believe Australia absolutely needs us. We offer her a great deal in terms of our geographical position and there is the question of our value as an EEZ and the International Fishing rights that they have sold to various countries. Something that Canberra have never divulged the details to us about. WHY NOT? I am persistent in discussing this because I believe we can and are due to make a better deal with Australia, but the truth is if we are to negotiate with Canberra we as a community need to know who we are!
Name: Erica
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 09:36:46 AM
Local I think that is what norlarnen was saying that we need Australia but my no means are we Australian we are Norfolk Islanders. Even if Australia takes over we are still Norfolk Islanders. I think Nor larnen hit the nail right on the head.
Name: Local
Email: local.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 08:41:59 AM
Norlarnen - unless you are living here and know the full and correct story regarding the 'ins and outs' - save your input thanks all the same. You obvioulsy have a New Zealand passport because without it or an Australian one - you are knackered. I am now wondering where you were educated?? The upshot is we need Australia, we are a part of Australia whether we like or not so let's just leave it there eh?
Name: pourri
Email: brud@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 07:12:35 AM
Well said nor larnen. Hopefully the critics can understand our point of view better now. Cheers brud
Name: Born & Bred Islander
Email: nfp.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 December 2005
Time: 06:08:50 AM
Follow this link to read the latest report [if you can call it that]submitted by Fairyfoot...........ooooops.....Lightfoot http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/norfolkgovpart2/report/fullreport.pdf
Name: Cosmic Pilgrim
Email: O
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 December 2005
Time: 01:26:01 PM
Brilliantly stated Geoff: alternatively you could give those who are incapable of measured, reasoned, subtle argument of this sort - [& simply shout down anyone who doesn't conform to their own narrow-minded, egotistical view of the world] - ten years under direct rule from Canberra, as fully-fledged PAYE(pay-as-you-earn) commodified, productivity-fodder; competing with third-world peasants in the headlong race to the lowest common denominator of pittance & conditions in a defacto police state. Perhaps they would then 'get', your point.
Name: hummingbird
Email: hummingbird_882@
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 December 2005
Time: 10:21:53 AM
Well said Norlarnen.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 December 2005
Time: 10:06:46 AM
Firstly to not be able to discuss in here about the facts behind Australia's dubious claims to Norfolk sovereignty because it is so far in the past and can't offer anything in looking forward, or because it might upset some Australians who are considering to come here I say think again. Australians are secure and confident enough to think for themselves and understand how we feel. They themselves are a young country and only in the last few decades have they come fully out from under the shadow of England. I dare say that many of our Australian vistors are interested to come here simply because we are NOT Australia. Where does having an Australian Passport make me an Australian? Just as in previous years when we used British passports this didn't make us British. I have an Australian Passport. I do not feel that this piece of paper makes me an Aussie, even if I wanted to be. I was not born in Australia and I did not grow up there, culturally I do not feel Australian. I reserve others the right to feel that way (and I expect those who took the oath to defend Australia with their lives in the Armed Services will feel this way as testified to in here - but this in no way makes the rest of us Australians brud!). Does using Australian money make me an Aussie? Do we have to have our own passports and our own money to say we are Norfolk Islanders? Of course not. The discussions in here on Norfolk sovreignty always swing from the extreme of Norfolk being fully integrated with Australia and Norfolk's complete independence. These arguments are pointless and self defeating. Just because I do not identify myself as an Australian doesn't mean I do not appreciate their support of Norfolk or prevent me form recognising that we need them. By the same token, this support does not have to mean total submission just as Canberra does not need to submit fully to Washington. As is well known the only regular financial support we recieve from Canberra is for KAHVA and Parks and Wildlife. Additionally we recieve periodic interest free loans. Should any of this indebt us to Australia to the point of complete servitude as suggested by some in here? Should it make us oath taking prawn eating board short wearing Aussies? Of course not. To suggest such is ridiculous and narrow minded. Being the smaller and weaker in the relationship we need to better understand what we offer in the relationship and how to bargain with Canberra to maintain and protect that which is dear to us. There is a whole gulf or possibilities between the two extremes of indipendence and complete capitulation. Which for me starts with our identity as Norfolk Islanders.
Name: JJ
Email: jj@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 November 2005
Time: 04:55:58 AM
nice one
Name: gabs
Email: gabe_nf@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 November 2005
Time: 11:09:44 AM
"There are those of us who are always about to live. We are waiting until things change, until there is more time, until we are less tired, until we get a promotion, until we settle down -- until, until, until. It always seems as if there is some major event that must occur in our lives before we begin living." -- George Sheehan
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 November 2005
Time: 10:59:24 AM
Hi guys thanks for the details about the new phone book. This was the site I was accessing http://www.norfolk.gov.nf/telephone%20book.htm Maybe they need to update. As this comes up when you search on Google.
Name: Let your fingers do the walking
Email: telephone@directory.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 29 November 2005
Time: 06:11:34 AM
Christmas Fairy - Dont know which Telephone directory you are talking about I have been using the white and yellow pages for Norfolk Island. Links are at http://www.ni.net.nf/ on the right hand side.
Name: IpineforNorfolk
Email: here
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 November 2005
Time: 10:54:47 PM
The Norfolk telephone directory is being updated on-line at the moment and I wish that you could buy Norfolk Island arts and crafts on the net.
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 November 2005
Time: 09:38:07 PM
Isn't it time someone got their act together and updated the local Norfolk Island phone book online. The current addition online includes people who have long deceased. Surely there are people coming and going on your island and their phone numbers need to be listed. Is it that it might cost Admin to get that updated and we all know they have no money.
Name: tellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 27 November 2005
Time: 07:14:37 PM
Good words Christmas Fairy I totally agree. Bring it on!
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 27 November 2005
Time: 03:40:43 PM
In reply to Silent Witness, I agree - wonder what behind the scenes corruption has been taking place since 1979, with one particular individual running the show virtually for 26 years. Its time the Australian Government got rid off them all and put in an Australian Administration (part of Federal Government) who is answerable to the Australian Government only.
Name: Silent Witness
Email: frli@ag.gov.au.
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 27 November 2005
Time: 01:41:11 PM
Christmas Fairy, what you say is undoubtedly true - however the corruption goes much deeper than nepotism. Ask yourself who has been the main comprador Kahuna pulling the strings from 1979, up until such time as the writing was so clearly on the wall for self-government's demise on Norfolk, that he slipped quietly into the background. Time for a Royal Commission.
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 26 November 2005
Time: 06:54:28 PM
You know yorlye perhaps we just happen to know what really goes on over there - and what has gone on for many years in the running of the Administration. Family members in charge making sure their kin get the jobs on offer it has been going on for at least the last 50 years and further back than that. That's the way it is.
Name: tellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 26 November 2005
Time: 11:24:21 AM
getting a bit too close to the truth are we?
Name: Merlin the Magician
Email: domine.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 26 November 2005
Time: 11:07:14 AM
tellthetruth and christmas fairy - get a life plus get your facts straight. Yorlye are pretty pathetic you know with nothing better to do that to talk crap on here. I feel so sorry for people like you who are so damned ignorant. Remember jealousy is a curse.
Name: tellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 26 November 2005
Time: 07:01:35 AM
it has often been suggested that a boys club runs admin, and look out if you don't fit in with their plans, so you are more than likely right on the money
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 25 November 2005
Time: 11:28:11 PM
Perhaps the CEO's job has not been advertised because they intend to slot in one of their buddies into the position, putting them in the position to warm the seat so people get used to seeing them there an sneakily make the position permanent. What do you reckon?
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 25 November 2005
Time: 11:28:03 PM
Perhaps the CEO's job has not been advertised because they intend to slot in one of their buddies into the position, putting them in the position to warm the seat so people get used to seeing them there an sneakily make the position permanent. What do you reckon?
Name: tellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 November 2005
Time: 08:46:50 PM
does anybody have any ideas as to why the ceo's position at admin STILL hasn't been advertised?
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 25 November 2005
Time: 07:38:31 PM
Glad to see things are finally moving on a mobile network for the island. The reindeers down yonder must have been putting in some hours on this one, they must have stayed awake just long enough to make such a big decision - what took them so long? Norfolk has to move with technology or drown in debt.
Name: norfolk fairy
Email: fairyland@norfolkisle
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 November 2005
Time: 01:41:32 PM
well we are finnally getting mobile phones here after the government spent a whole heap more money they didnt have on consultants to tell us it may make some money to save the economy colapsing................arent they clever!!!
Name: Christmas Fairy
Email: Xmas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 November 2005
Time: 07:46:32 PM
We are missing all the input? Has everyone gone to sleep? What's happening on Norfolk these days - especially down at Administration - us visitors to your Forum need update on the goings on on NI, start talking yorlye keep us informed.
Name: ipineforNorfolk
Email: ipineforNorfolk
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 November 2005
Time: 11:47:59 PM
You're welcome Gabs.
Name: joel samuel
Email: ngapuhi81@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 November 2005
Time: 12:09:56 PM
wataway yoorlie from wolloongong australia.if any1 i know is reading this i hope to visit u all in the near future but this time i wont leave it as long .ok cya all
Name: Gabs
Email: gabe_nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 19 November 2005
Time: 01:03:22 PM
That's awesome thanks ipinefornorfolk.
Name: ipineforNorfolk
Email: ipineforNorfolk
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 18 November 2005
Time: 09:28:56 PM
Hey Gabs The architect of No 9 Quality Row was Lieutenant Henry W Lugard. No 9 was constructed to be the Royal Engineer Officer's home. It is a First Class Quarters and construction began in 1839 and ended in about 1844. Other tenants of No 9 over the years also included the widow of George Hunn Nobbs, Sarah (the granddaughter of Fletcher) and her family. It was Major Joseph Anderson and Lt Lugard who developed the plan for the houses and other buildings on Quality Row. I think that Mrs Jemima Christian (the daughter of Rev. Nobbs) also lived there at one stage. I think that's pretty right anyway and I hope it helps.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 18 November 2005
Time: 06:27:35 PM
Thanks Gabe I won't be selected for quiz night thats for sure!We learn something new each day...now the trick is to remember it!Cheers
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 18 November 2005
Time: 06:27:16 PM
Thanks Gabe I won't be selected for quiz night thats for sure!We learn something new each day...no the trick is to remember it!Cheers
Name: Gabs
Email: gabe_nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 18 November 2005
Time: 10:04:38 AM
Close Local - but no cigar! Thanks to Alma for her kind and fast reply; No. 9 Quality Row was designed by The Royal Engineer, Lugard and was for the Royal Engineer's Quarters - it was built in 1840. I've joined Hummingbirds group, (see post a couple of days ago) and think it's a great idea and want to invite more people to join up, hope to see more of yorley there soon.
Name: lookinorn
Email: ni@ni
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 17 November 2005
Time: 11:08:56 PM
demsa nort look out dems winda nort ? please excuse myse ignurense
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 17 November 2005
Time: 07:20:49 PM
Gabe...maybe a good one for a quiz night!! Built in the 1800's possibly around 1835 maybe? Good luck in finding the answer...maybe someone from KHAVA will know or should know more like it.
Name: Gabs
Email: gabe_nf@yahoo.co.uk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 16 November 2005
Time: 05:14:33 PM
Hoping someone can help - when was No. 9 Quality Row built? For the life of me I can't remember, if anyone knows more about its history can they please contact me? Email is above. Thankyou!
Name: Max
Email: mhu1960@bigpond.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 16 November 2005
Time: 12:14:43 PM
Whutaway Yourlye! I just want to wish all the NICS Yr 12s a FANTASTIC formal on Saturday - I wish I could be there with yourlye but is not to be! All going well I will see you all again in June at the NICS careers Market (Apart from those of you I will see before then - in February at Griffith <Grin>) I cant wait to be back on Norfolk again - Thanks to NICS (Ms Shaw esp.) I have had 5 trips now and it gets better every time. You and your Island home are incredible. Happy Formal Year 12s - Have Fun!
Name: UPSHOT
Email: norfolkisland.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 November 2005
Time: 07:45:39 AM
No wonder Norfolk is in the state it is in. All the negativity within the community and on this forum is enough to turn any prospective traveller away. Well done all yorlye. Let me state one fact.............how far we go using our own currency and passports???????????? need I say more? Nearly every one of us here on Norfolk use Australian currency and Australian Passports. Get a life, face the real facts and move on. I am a born and bred Norfolk Islander, have served in the Australian Armed forces, use their currency and passports and am damn proud of it. How many of you will say no thanks when Australia rescues us from the gurgler??????
Name: Hummingbird
Email: hummingbird_882@yahoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 04:59:40 PM
Crickey! Need I say more about the negative comments!!?? So I'll just post again; Hey all, well I've been following all the comments along for a while now and thought perhaps it may help to create a place to go and discuss these issues in more depth? Comments about weekend getaways, webcams, etc. are excellent. I've noticed some people don't like the fact that this forum tends to get political/negative etc. and that tourists can view it, well I think it's absolutely essential to talk, create, share, debate and so I've started a yahoo group and I'm extending an invitation for all to join. It requires membership to post a message so is not open to the general viewing public, I've added links to subjects that I've found via this forum which obviously interest some people and would like some more to add, there is a poll going on as well. I want to talk talk talk and then act act act!! So I hope you all find your way there, as well as keep using this GREAT forum!!! Go to - http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/norfolkbrainstormers/join
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 04:10:44 PM
Pouri, you sound just like the terrorists that were arrested in Sydney & Melbourne recently. Do you have any links to the taliban?? Perhaps under your control NI would wage JIHAD against the mainland!! I say again; GROW UP!!!!!
Name: Emily
Email: emily@NI
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 03:18:52 PM
Pouri get a life. Bitterness like yours is so damaging for Norfolk. I would suggest you place your head where the sun don't shine and stop accepting all the things you take for granted that comes from Australia. You are an ungrateful sad excuse and under your attitude Norfolk will go down the tubes. It is time to move on and do the best we can for our home. I want the best for my Island and the future of my children who are being brought up with tolerance and understanding while still being proud of their heritage. You can bleat on all you like about not being part of Australia but that will not change and if it did we couldn't support ourselves and with an attitude like yours you would turn Aussie tourists away and that would be really good for the economy wouldn't it.
Name: pouri
Email: x.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 02:47:46 PM
concerned, go and call a rarotongan a New Zealander, or a tahitian a frenchman.Better still, Im going to call all aussies americans, because they are that far up Their ass. I hope you understand where im coming from. cosmics point about about "free association"is a much better model for Norfolk, but i doubt it would work with Australia because they are too colonialistic and arrogant to treat Norfolk as a separate and unique identity. New Zealand is much better at doing that
Name: pouri
Email: x.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 02:43:47 PM
concerned, go and call a rarotongan a New Zealander, or a tahitian a frenchman.Better still, Im going to call all aussies americans, because they are that far up Their ass.
Name: pouri
Email: x.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 02:43:44 PM
concerned, go and call a rarotongan a New Zealander, or a tahitian a frenchman.Better still, Im going to call all aussies americans, because they are that far up Their ass.
Name: pouri
Email: x.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 14 November 2005
Time: 02:43:41 PM
concerned, go and call a rarotongan a New Zealander, or a tahitian a frenchman.Better still, Im going to call all aussies americans, because they are that far up Their ass.
Name: laffin
Email: goodone@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 13 November 2005
Time: 01:19:44 PM
Hey checked out the webcam, good to see people working in their office on a Sunday.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 November 2005
Time: 08:36:22 PM
see - this is exactly what I was talking about. stop whinging about the past, accept that australia considers NI'ers as australian citizens and look toward the future. whenever anybody brings up in this forum about how australia might be able to do a better job in looking after NI'ers than the current self government system, someone always comes up with "we were told this, we weren't given a fair go" - get over it! look forward to the future, because that's where what is best for norfolk island lies - not in the past. wake up.
Name: Cosmic Pilgrim
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 12 November 2005
Time: 03:54:50 PM
concernedx2: the bottom line is that Norfolk Islanders were never ASKED - they were TOLD - to become "ozzies". Therefore, in the context of the Westminster democratic tradition, there is a question mark over the LEGITIMACY of the way they've been 'incorporated' into the "ozzie" polity. So, when someone such as 'nottelling' shares their ignorance of OUR history with us, in a statement such as: " Norfolk Islander’s ARE Australian citizens, so get used to it" ; Pourri is perfectly justified in observing: "That is the type of arrogance (ie. based on IGNORANCE) I despise." A 'Compact of Free Association' is an alternative model for a constitutional relationship between Kingston & Canberra, which has never been canvassed; yet works perfectly well for the Cook Islands and Niue, which are "in free association" with New Zealand. Since 1998, New Caledonia has enjoyed a similar relationship with France as an 'overseas country' (pays d'outre-mer) which includes the right to full independence if it so desires, although it continues to have representation in the French parliament. A similar relationship once existed between the United Kingdom and its former colonies of Antigua and Barbuda, Grenada, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and Saint Vincent in the Caribbean, under the Associated Statehood Act 1967. Likewise, the Federated States of Micronesia, Palau, and the Marshall Islands are associated with the United States under a 'Compact of Free Association', as per: http://pidp.eastwestcenter.org/pireport/special/cofa_special.htm
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 12 November 2005
Time: 02:37:13 PM
Pouri, whats wrong with being treated like an ozzie? Do you think that you are above us? I would take a long, hard look at myself if I were you!!
Name: pouri
Email: x.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 11 November 2005
Time: 01:58:48 PM
In reply to "notelling" "If you are an Islander, then you are an Australian citizen". Could Notelling please tell that to all the Islanders who hold New Zealand, british, US passports etc. Big Brother(1984) has really got a hold of some of us. Cook islanders and Nieuans both hold New Zealand passports and use New zealand Currency. Both places have a strong senses of their own National Identity and are both free and willing to pursue it. Both places earn alot of money off their economic zone.g fishing etc.) I think our big brother could learn alot of their big brother. We constantly get treated by Australia as no different to them. That is the type of arrogance I despise. As the saying goes[if you tell people something enough times, they will start to believe it} It seems as though it is ringing through on this forum.
Name: Smiley
Email: Everywhere
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 11 November 2005
Time: 01:12:12 AM
JJ and Local Thanks for the helpful responce. You Islanders seem really nice, positive and helpful. I have some friends that are looking for somewhere to get married. I will put them on to your web site and tourist bureau.
Name: yep
Email: yeppity@yeppyepp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 November 2005
Time: 11:08:54 PM
welcome home cin.
Name: clearly
Email: finesunnyday@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 November 2005
Time: 11:06:14 PM
clearly the marketing is at a home based level currently .............but what would us experts know.
Name: Islander AJ
Email: Islander_my_home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 10 November 2005
Time: 10:23:52 PM
Would it be strange to think about live music on Norfolk? How amazing would it be if there were famous bands coming to Norfolk and the airlines creating packages at affordable prices to interest back-packers and people of all ages? Or something like the Blues and Roots festival on Norfolk. I'm sure that if the flights were afordable heaps of young people would be flocking to Norfolk to chill out for a week or so . Maybe if there was a backpacker hostel on Norfolk as well, cheap accomodation as most young travelors can't afford hotels etc. Where is the marketing for Norfolk??
Name: JJ
Email: jj@yahoo
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 10 November 2005
Time: 07:25:22 AM
Smiley - heaps of people get married on Norfolk! Activities can be as active or relaxing as you like; Bushwalking & Bird Watching, horse Riding, Diving,Golf, Clubs,Museums,Fishing Island Discovery Tours,Feature and themed dinners, Photographic & Scenic Tours,Mountain Biking, Lawn Bowls,Tennis & Squash,Tours and Shows, Open Gardens, shopping, swimming, snorkelling, surfing, sailing, lying on the beach getting a tan, talking to the locals at the pub, you name it! Here is a good link for more info http://www.norfolkisland.com.au/acctivities/index.cfm not only all this stuff to do but it's just the most soulful, restful, spirit cleansing, back to earth kind of place that you'll wonder why you bother living anywhere else.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 November 2005
Time: 05:34:41 AM
Smiley yes every now and again different visitors visit Norfolk Island to get married...I would guess that most visitors stay 7 days on average...Norfolk Island offers many great backdrops to get married by and offers a holiday for the wedding party as well as the invited guests. Sorry to be a little negative here...but in back up to and in support of nottelling's comments one has to ask what passport one travels on to and from Norfolk Island...I am 100% certain it aint a Norfolk Island passport...also check the citizenship in the passport you carry...what is the citizenship...also what currency do you use on Norfolk Island? Total independance will never and can never happen on Norfolk Island...to do so requires we maintain our own security...our own currency...our own economic zone...etc We have to get used to it we are looked upon by Australia as being part and parcel of their control albeit through the Norfolk Island Act...which by the way can be squashed at any given time!
Name: Smiley
Email: everywhere
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 10 November 2005
Time: 01:18:17 AM
Do many tourists get married on Norfolk? What do people do on Norfolk when they are on their honeymoon? Apart from that? Do they do a lot of the touristy things? How long do people usually spend there on their honeymoon?
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 09 November 2005
Time: 07:10:01 AM
In reply to norlarnen - "And more importantly -why would Australia giving us financial assistance when we need it equate to us giving full control of the island over" Australia has given NI plenty of financial support over the years without the need to take "full control of the island." Just look at the current financing of the airport runway by canberra. Australia didn't say that in order to get $12 million INTEREST FREE Norfolk has to give up it's autonomy, did it? No! When you say "By this I mean financial assistance AND continued autonomy for the preservation of Norfolk Islanders and our culture in exchange for the regional security we offer", when has Australia said that Norfolk Islanders will lose their culture or, as you put it, their preservation? - it hasn't! I don't believe that if Australia does take control of NI that we will all have to make a pilgrimage to Canberra every two years to provide a pint of blood. Australia has respect for individual cultures, as can be seen by the variety of cultures in any town or city in the country, so why would they treat NI'ers any different? The Australian government is, as I said previously, committed to providing a reasonable standard of living to all it’s citizens. There’s no point going off about “Why are we Australian Citizens ? Ill give you a clue - the answer is not in any history book. “ Norfolk Islander’s ARE Australian citizens, so get used to it, and look toward the future of the island, instead of continuing to look at the past and whinging about it. One of the good things about history is that you, in the here and now, have the ability to look back at what went wrong, and to CHANGE so that the same mistakes/problems don’t happen again. I agree with you when you say it is the system that’s at fault, but I don’t agree with you when you say it’s no fault of the MLA’s – they are there to FIX the system, and they are either unable to or unwilling to that! NI needs to be governed by people who don’t have any qualms about making the tough decisions, and by that I mean people who aren’t afraid to make a decision because they are scared of what others may say about them, or to them, or scared about upsetting any family members or friends. In order to get positive change we may have to make some sacrifices, but I don’t think our culture or preservation will be among them.
Name: ipineforNorfolk
Email: ipineforNorfolk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 08 November 2005
Time: 08:50:59 PM
Thanks for me foodforthought cause you just made me feel a lot happier.
Name: hummingbird
Email: hummingbird_882@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 08 November 2005
Time: 02:09:31 PM
Hey all, well I've been following all the comments along for a while now and thought perhaps it may help to create a place to go and discuss these issues in more depth? Comments about weekend getaways, webcams, etc. are excellent. I've noticed some people don't like the fact that this forum tends to get political/negative etc. and that tourists can view it, well I think it's absolutely essential to talk, create, share, debate and so I've started a yahoo group and I'm extending an invitation for all to join. It requires membership to post a message so is not open to the general viewing public, I've added links to subjects that I've found via this forum which obviously interest some people and would like some more to add, there is a poll going on as well. I want to talk talk talk and then act act act!! So I hope you all find your way there, as well as keep using this GREAT forum!!! Go to - http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/norfolkbrainstormers/join
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 November 2005
Time: 11:59:10 AM
But why? Why are we Australian Citizens ? Ill give you a clue - the answer is not in any history book. And now why would Australia want to change the status quo? And more importantly -why would Australia giving us financial assitance when we need it equate to us giving full control of the island over? A bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water don't you think? Ive always been amazed at how well we have managed the island considering our lack of qualifications and resources. This is of no fault to our MLA's. Its the system we have. Australian Government is hardly debt free, our governemtn probably would be if we paid 30-50% of our incomes in taxes. We always seem to under sell our selves and our position by overlooking the importance of Norfolk to Australia which in the age of terrorism (and piracy on the high seas) has seen our stock value sky rocket. We should have no shame in making sure we get the best deal out of Canberra. By this I mean financial assitance AND continued autonomy for the preservation of Norfolk Islanders and our culture in exchange for the regional security we offer. Would anyone here like to try and put a number on the worth of that? How much would CHina pay for the same privilige? They sink millions into just securing diplomatic relations with Naru ahead of Taiwan.
Name: food for thought..
Email: webcam@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 November 2005
Time: 08:29:46 AM
ipineforNorfolk - click on this link, http://webcam.nf/
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 08 November 2005
Time: 06:39:56 AM
norlarnen - the australian government has a commitment to looking after its citizens, and like it or not if you are a norfolk islander then you are also an australian citizen, and that means you should be able to access a certain level of service, that ordinary people have come to expect from a government. At least the australian government has a track record of being able to provide these things, not like successive NI governments. Not everything is about cost - some of it is about quality of life.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 November 2005
Time: 12:10:29 AM
To those recent posters who are suggesting that Australia will soon step in to take over Norfolk and believing that its good for Norfolk I would like to ask, what is in it for Australia? Why on earth would they want to take over Norfolk and all of her expensive problems?
Name: ipineforNorfolk
Email: ipineforNorfolk
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 07 November 2005
Time: 10:33:07 PM
Just really missing Norfolk as usual and totally useless with a computer. Could someone please tell me how to find and use the NIDS web cam? I hope you are all well and happy.
Name: webcam
Email: Problems@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 07 November 2005
Time: 02:06:19 PM
What is the go with NIDS webcam, it keeps coming with a Council of Country Code Administrators page. Is there some way of rectifying this problem?
Name: Darls
Email: darls@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 November 2005
Time: 06:10:47 AM
I forgot to mention one very important person in all of this - and that is Pauline. Without you Pauline - the trip would not have been as successful as it was. Mauruuru to you and George for the wonderful experience we had on your island of Huahine. See yorlye in 6 weeks.
Name: Darls
Email: darls@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 November 2005
Time: 06:07:34 AM
Thank you to 'Local' for the welcome home from Tahiti. I just want to say that it is an experience that I personally shall never forget. The hospitality, warmth, love and affection extended to every person who attended the event was second to none. The people are beautiful and are so relaxed about everything that so much so it has made made me realise just how much we here on this side of the globe worry far too much about material things. There is no stress in Tahiti. Every day is a chill day and no wonder the Tahitians are so very relaxed. The trip has certainly opened my eyes. The Norfolk Island contingent had a wonderful time and all of us will never forget the overwhelming experience the past 2 weeks. For those in Tahiti who will check out this site -Ia orana and Mauruuru, Thank You, Merci, Thanks fer ucklun. You have taught me so much and all of us are so looking forward to seeing you here on Norfolk next year.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 06 November 2005
Time: 11:40:30 AM
Lets keep the forum a positive place to come to rather than emitting the expletives and finger pointing...we are yet but human no matter where one lives...Welcome home to the Tahitian travellers...by the sounds of things they had a ball!
Name: food for thought
Email: hangon@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 06 November 2005
Time: 08:57:28 AM
Janine...Oh and Australia is perfect? People don't swear over there? On the other hand,I agree, language like that is terrible. There is no need to speak like that and it disgusts me to hear fowl language. But isn't it a bit harsh to judge Norfolk Island like that? If that makes Norfolk rotten to the core, then Australia would have to be doubly rotten to the core as well because people speak terribly over here in Australia do they not! Check your own back yard first because it's not a clean one either! All I'm just saying is that aren't you being a bit too harsh in juding Norfolk like that?!
Name: Janine
Email: Jnk@au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 05 November 2005
Time: 02:34:43 PM
If the foul language has been placed on this forum by a local Norfolk Islander (no wonder the place is rotten to the core) debts or no debts. This type of language is not wanted on this forum.
Name:
Email: _
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 05 November 2005
Time: 01:51:09 PM
why don't you fuckoff back to where you came from Mossvale hick
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 November 2005
Time: 08:50:50 PM
c'mon aussie, c'mon c'mon....
Name: very bloody sceptical
Email: underthechiefsdesk@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 November 2005
Time: 09:52:08 AM
call me paranoid !!!!!!!!! is it just coincidence that the gov.cant afford to pay their debts, they fold norfolk jet, try to shut down nids, and the last 3 planes to fly here are leased from 3 different airlines? ........maybe their credit is only good for 1 day now ????
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 November 2005
Time: 09:40:46 AM
Well done NIDS and Telecom the web cams are great and what a beautifull Sky this morning.Why not put a strike counter on the web cam page and track the number of times that people look at the site?Also if the Telecom cam could be live and controlable would make it even a better site.
Name: Food fe thought...
Email: wow@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 November 2005
Time: 08:50:10 AM
I just wanted to say that I think it's great that NIDS have put up a webcam outside their shop in Picadilly Village. I now tune in everyday and watch it throughout the day. El maek me hoemsick doh.
Name: Moneybags
Email: mbags@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 07:41:56 PM
No doubt the interest calculated on unpaid repayment defaults opn large loans from the Australian Government will be huge. What is going on over there? Is the bagman asleep at the desk down town? Surely a local Government shouldn't be running an airline what happened to Norfolk Jet your Government is going the same way stoney broke!!!!
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 06:14:55 PM
nottelling - it wouldn't be too hard to figure out that loans between govts are exactly the same in their progress payments and repayment schemes as between banks and customers. The only difference is the interest free part. You can't get that from a bank.
Name: Local
Email: Local@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 03:30:22 PM
Ask the question "Should Australia take over?" a couple of years back and you would have got a resounding NO!...but given the state of play and the way things are being handled, I would say the tide has turned sharply! I for one am a convert and would have to say...Come on Australia before it it too late. The cost of living is on a very sharp incline and one has to consider if one is not better off on the mainland...the island is fast becoming a rich man's paradise...though wether Australia is involved or Norfolk Island continues to make its own way, Tourisim is still an asset to the island, we need to stay positive on that one at least. Well done MLA's past and present...see the way we have come! As for the education of the MLA's, you only need to see what it takes to become one...to be eligible you need to have been a resident (of 5 Years), be nominated at election time, convince the people to vote for you to get the votes and you are on your way to running an island...given that you have lived here long enough you should know what the people want and how to give it to them...hmmmmm. To the positive side good to see both NIDS and Norfolk Telecom have webcams...check out the webcam at the ni.net.nf home page. Good use of the time laps (5 min apart)and the ability to go back through the day...pity we don't have a few more around the island...but very good start by both parties.
Name: JJ
Email: jj@hotmail
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 11:01:50 AM
Looks like a beautiful day on Norfolk - not a cloud in the sky!
Name: food for thought
Email: wow@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 09:03:18 AM
This webcam link that is posted here in the forum, is it live images from this morning? Because before you only got a still picture, and now people/vehicles are moving in it! This is exciting!
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 08:11:02 AM
esstrue you are talking about banks and customers - it wouldn't be too hard to figure out that loans between govts are probably completely different in their repayment schemes
Name: Food for thought..
Email: chew_on_this@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 08:00:22 AM
I see Norfolk is offering kids fares at $99. I think that's a great idea. What a bargain! Only $99 for kids to travel to NI! In between, it's not sounding too good about NI's debt! I don't think it will be too long before Australia steps in now. I think Norfolk needs their help. It will be interesting to see what Australia will find after their investigation on Norfolk's finances.
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 06:57:07 AM
Now anybody who has built a house knows about loans. You get progress payments from the lender as you reach stages of construction. You don't get all the loan funded until completion or there abouts. When you are fully funded, then you start paying it back. Now look at the airport, how far has work gone, gee no sign of activity. Therefore it would be safe to assume that a large portion of the loan from the commonwealth has not been funded to the Norfolk govt. So should they start paying it back before they have even finished borrowing the money ? Should they start paying it back before the project has even begun? Think about it
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 03 November 2005
Time: 06:32:50 AM
Thanks George M you can rest assured there are a lot of people living here who want the Australian government to take over, and it wouldn't surprise anybody to hear that the number is growing daily. I agree with your request re qualifications - it would be good to compare the qualifications of the NI ministers and their counterparts in Oz, as well as the qualifications of those running the Administration - what qualifications do the CEO and Execs have?
Name: George M
Email: gm@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 08:06:09 PM
If the Government of Norfolk Island cannot find the money to make payments on a very large loan to the Australian Government, How can they keep up the running of Aircraft via Naru Airlines, something in definately wrong with the Finance department and those running it. What are their qualifications these so called MP's particularly the ones handling the islands purse strings. Good to see the Australian Government doing a probe of the establishment. Perhaps its time for the Australian Government to take over the running of the island - yes all you residents will have to pay tax and for that you can access the services that we the Australian taxpayers cherish.
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 07:45:40 PM
Great idea Gabs also the post re long weekend getaways is a great idea as long as the price is right and the long weekends are well planned beforehand so as to fit as much in as possible in a few days.Re the post on the cost of fuel with the limited miles of road on the island I can't see that fuel cost are going to stop people coming.What would be the total kilometres of road on Norfolk ?
Name: Gab
Email: Gabe_nf
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 07:36:05 PM
Good post Bugs, you could however have an 'online presentation' of a local show that people could pay to view over the net, there are some of great quality with sound/colour etc.(like watching a dvd) and people can then view it in their own time, and then also utilize the webcams around the island for snapshot views to see what a beautiful island it is.
Name: watcher
Email: norfolk@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 05:01:10 PM
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE THAT SOME MORON IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY MADE THE CONSIOUS DECSISION NOT TO PAY THE LOAN REPAYMENTS TO AUSTRALIA FOR THE MONEY TO UPGRADE THE AIRPORT RUNWAY THEY MUST HAVE DECIDED THERE WERE MORE IMPORTANT PLACES FOR THE MONEY TO GO...LIKE OVERTIME...A NEW TRUCK...AND THE COUNTLESS OTHER NON ESSENTIAL PROJECTS THEY HAVEE BEEN IMPLEMENTING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH......SURELY SOMEONE HAS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS ONE!!!!!!!!! COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THE FINANCE MINISTER?????
Name: anonymouse
Email: anonymouse@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 01:55:04 PM
Few interesting comments here about revenue raising for NI. Anyone ever wondered what would happen if the KAVHA area was heritage listed (not NI, just KAVHA)? The world-wide advertising (cost-free to NI) of some of the best georgian architecture in the southern hemisphere by World Heritage Organisation coupled with the history of the area and the history of the Bounty/Pitcairn decendants would see Norfolk become a destination for travellers world-wide, not just Aus/NZ & could only have long term benefits for the island. Something worth looking at anyway.
Name: bugs
Email: ifyoucarwhatset@younorneedet.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 01:38:31 PM
re the webcams - great idea - good to see NIDS having a go too. But some expectations here are way out of order. You've got to think that a cam might give mediocre quality, with sound at about 64Kbps (low for video), but with 10 people watching, that's 640Kbps, 100 people, about 6.4Mbps. To maintain a high quality image the bandwidth increases, so it's just not feasible for the provider to do this. What's more realistic is snapshot videos, timelapse shots, etc. These will give visitors an idea of just how beautiful this island is, or let locals check out the surf before they decide to skive off work for the afternoon.... cheers bugs
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 09:29:06 AM
Local, your comment about Mr. Packer is actually a good idea - it sounded wistful but why not take it a step further? Why not e-mail a package deal invitation to reps/agents of people who might need a quiet place to get away from it all? Tom Cruise goes to Fiji and spends $10,000 a night to stay. Hollywood celebrities are under stress, need a quiet place to escape, have the cash needed, etc. etc. Send out e-mail invites letting these people know you exist! Anyone in the travel industry on Norfolk reading this...?
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 November 2005
Time: 05:08:48 AM
Once again some very good suggestions coming in this way. Yes the Tourist Holiday Reps are short on knowledge when it comes to Norfolk Island...but I am certain that the Norfolk Island Tourist Bureau have been doing their best to rectify this with Educational visits from a number of sales reps. There has been some very positive results from this I believe! Once again Norfolk Island hits the news with financial woes and it is at least to say not surprising! The balance between running an Island to keep it competative and functional as opposed to the number of resident and visitor numbers that are required to meet with revenue income for a safe level of maintainence is just not balanced. For this reason Norfolk Islanb has to increase its revenue and the only way is through Tourisim...keep the ideas coming. If only Mr Packer and his mates would like a holiday to spend some of their play money we would welcome them...
Name: car waar
Email: car@waar.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 01 November 2005
Time: 10:09:08 PM
This is from todays Sydney Morning Herald 1/11/05, under the heading Norfolk Island's finances to be probed The federal government has commissioned an inquiry into Norfolk Island's finances after the cash-strapped territory failed to meet repayments on a $12 million loan. Officials from the Department of Transport and Regional Services revealed the territory's government was unable to make the repayments on the federal government loan to resurface the island's airport runway. Canberra-based business consultant Acumen had been engaged to examine the state of the self-governed Pacific island's finances, a Senate estimates was told. "The Norfolk Island government does not have the capability to borrow, either from the Australian government or commercially, without the agreement of the Minister for Finance and Administration," department deputy secretary Susan Page told the hearing. "The Minister for Finance and Administration agreed to defer repayment of that loan but he placed a condition on the revised loan terms which was that an assessment be made of the current and long term financial pressures on the island." Advertisement AdvertisementThe Norfolk Island government wrote to Finance Minister Nick Minchin in late July asking for the loan repayments to be deferred. The amount of the loan for the airport work was originally $5.8 million but that was increased to $12 million in the 2004-05 financial year, officials said. Norfolk Island's financial woes came to a head in June this year when the carrier which provided the territory's only air link to the mainland, Norfolk Jet Express, went into voluntary receivership. Ms Page said the island's government had since been paying for the lease of aircraft from Air Nauru to maintain flights to Australia. Sydney lies 1,600 kms to the island's south-west. "We were aware that that would have significant financial implications for the island, because the island government has been supporting an interim air service since, with a cost to the government and a reduction in tourism numbers," she said. "That was really the trigger, as we understand it, for the Norfolk Island government then to contact us indicating it would have difficulty in repaying the loan." Acumen's report, commissioned in September, is due to be handed to the government this month. © 2005 AAP
Name: Lara
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 01 November 2005
Time: 02:54:32 PM
Just a thought re ideas for tourism, I know that there is a top beauty salon several people who practice wonderful and different types of massage and add that to the beauty and good food of Norfolk and you have a pretty wonderful pamper de stress package. It is time to show your talent and believe me there are some very talented people practiceing these things over yours Cheers
Name: Kiwi Norfolk Lover
Email: .
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Sunday, 30 October 2005
Time: 01:54:36 PM
I have been reading with interest the postings about enticing more tourists to NI. I have worked in the travel industry in NZ for the better part of 18 years. I love NI and have visited 5 times, my husband and I are one of the exceptions to the market. We are in our 30's and bring our children there for our family holidays. A couple of years ago when the Norfolk Rep was pulled from NZ I did a survey of my own to find out how much knowledge the local agents had about NI. Just out of curiosity. I made up a scenario about a couple mid to late 30's just looking for a long weekended away. Wanting somewhere peaceful, with great food, sighseeing options if required, fishing for the husband, shopping for the wife and most of all must be withing 2 hours flying time from Auckland as the wife had a fear of flying. I'd have thought that Norfolk would have been a no brainer for most people to at least offer as an option but to my surprise only 2 out of 25 agents even mentioned it. For one of them it was their 6th choice. Only 1 an ex Islander chose it as their first option! When I asked them about it most of them them had no knowledge of the island or I was told point blank that it was only for old people of at least 70+ years. I guess what I am getting at is that advertising to the public will only go so far. The agents at the cold face of travel need to change their perception of the island and one of the best ways to do that is not only get them up there on educationals but to have a youngish person on the ground in New Zealand (and possibly Australia if there isn't one there either) Agents are (speaking from experience) always looking for the easy sell. There is so much on the market and too many choices. The margins are low and time is of the essence. If you are in their faces about a destination they are going to think of it when talking to their clients. If you're not constantly reminding them, your destination won't be the first one they think of. I'd love to see the island promoted as a "long weekend" getaway as opposed to it always being Australia that is seen like that. I hope for the sake of the island that the Tourism Board puts someone back in on the ground and if they have then it hasn't been publicised very well. A yearly roadshow is not enough to keep up the image and presence of the island. Sorry this is so long winded but I love NI and don't feel that it gets the recognition it deserves.
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 30 October 2005
Time: 10:37:21 AM
Congratulations NIDS thats a start let's hope it progresses from here
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 29 October 2005
Time: 10:59:27 AM
NIDS tried the webcam last night and could see lights,because of the time. Have tried it this morning and get a "Council of Country Code Administrators Limited" message blocking access why is this so?
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 29 October 2005
Time: 08:42:45 AM
NIDS - any chance you have one with sound and seamless picture? If not, how much would it cost to get hold of one?
Name: NIDS
Email: webcam
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 28 October 2005
Time: 05:07:12 PM
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 27 October 2005
Time: 03:23:34 PM
Thanks Local - that trip to Tahiti sounds awesome. I like the idea about charging to watch a Norfolk show via webcam. I've been researching and in australian dollars they cost anywhere from $80 right up to $1000+ If you started with a portable webcam and linked it to a Norfolk website, then charged to watch different shows around the island - this could be massive. As Gabrielle says, even $1 x a million views is....you guessed it...a million bucks. And why not charge $9.95 or more? Who is your computer/internet specialist on the island? Perhaps they would know how to set up a system like this. And I don't agree with the last comment, spyware schmiware, have a look at all the beautiful locations on the web via webcams...paris, new york, new zealand, wouldn't it be cool to be able to watch the locals catching waves during a surf tournament or watching a local fair?
Name: True Friend of NI
Email: whattaway@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 27 October 2005
Time: 01:18:14 AM
After reading of the past months comment there are some really good ideas but are you really being realistic. I spent some time on Norfolk from time to time as I have friends born on the Island and it is a place of true beauty and one of the relaxed and warmest places I have been but the idea of web cams which while good, isn't realistic while you can't get the locals to discuss the unsolved murder on the island why would they consider a 24 hour camera/s on parts of the island. Wouldn't that be considered spying. As for ideas what about a 5 star resort and spa owned and operated by locals with all profits returned to the island. This then would lift to dollar per person spent on the island and would then have better competition between the shops, restaurant etc rather than fighting over the pensioners last saving's. I think it would be quite easy to find a good spot on the island over looking the ocean to develop an island development unique to NI.
Name: Gabrielle Beaumont
Email: gabe_nf@yahoo.co.uk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 25 October 2005
Time: 03:21:48 PM
Have been following all these great ideas - especially like the webcam idea, not only could be set-up at strategic points on the island but also one that is portable for special events/occasions. Via the norfolk website you could charge to view a 'Mutiny on the Bounty Show - Live' and similar. Imagine charging $5.00 to view it on the web or even a dollar! $1 x one million views.....easy money for the island, how many billions are connected to the web who can afford a dollar? Anyway, I'm writing to ask for help. I'm in the middle of writing a book on my life and experiences as a diabetic. I want to tell my story from diagnosis to the present day so that other diabetics and their families can read and know what other people go through and perhaps learn how to cope better and feel less alone in their daily struggle. If anyone on the island remembers when I was diagnosed, or if you were working at the hospital at the time, or for the airline when I was flown out, teacher at the school, etc. I would love to hear about your memories. Mine are abit hazey around diagnosis because I was unconscious!! lol. I'd really appreciate any help no matter how small, my email is gabe_nf@yahoo.co.uk or if you're in town drop by and see Mum at The Underworld, she's taking notes for me. (well she is now!)
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 24 October 2005
Time: 07:09:39 PM
Ella am not sure of costs for web cams.Hope the Norfolk Islanders have a great time in Tahiti
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 24 October 2005
Time: 12:08:23 PM
Ella, a group of local people have headed to Tahiti which coincides with the 217th anniversary of the arrival of the Bounty at Tahiti. This all revolves around the events which lead to Norfolk being who and what we are today. Havn't seen the new advert for Norfolk Island, but if it is a good one then praise to those who had a hand in it. Wish I was with the group in Tahiti sounds as though they will be having a great time...
Name: Silvana Jayasinha
Email: silvanam@sify.com
Country: Falkland Islands
Date: Monday, 24 October 2005
Time: 08:45:40 AM
Wonderfull work.
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 23 October 2005
Time: 12:59:03 PM
Full marks to the two page spread in todays Sunday Telegraph, Norfolk Island scenery pops out and grabs the reader well done to who ever authorised this. I see the other advertisement for Norfolk Island web site is still running (waste of time it's had its run and needs revamping).
Name: All Uwa Norfolk Sullun In Queensland
Email: Queensland.Com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 22 October 2005
Time: 01:36:48 PM
A huge CONGRADULATIONS to Dene & Candice on the birth of your first Son, Douglas SNELL. Yorley se do wal. See yorley real soon. Love Aunty Lee, Uncle Pete, Jeepers & Noisy Jr x x x
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 22 October 2005
Time: 01:07:17 PM
What's happening in Tahiti? Just a side note - one of the most incredible books ever written is called "The One Minute Millionaire" by Mark Hansen & Robert Allen. For all you entreprenuers on Norfolk - and I know there's heaps of you - please read it. It's NOT a get-rich-quick bogus book but it could open up a whole new way of thinking and most importantly a whole new way of not only staying afloat but prospering - individually and Norfolk as a whole. Now I'm getting de ja vue and hope I'm not repeating myself! If I've already told everyone to read this book my sincerest apologies.
Name: Another Born & bred Islander
Email: cahwah.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 08:51:46 PM
Good luck to all the other born and bred Norfolk Islanders heading off to Tahiti this weekend. Have a safe journey and we know you all will do us proud. All yorlye es great ambassadors fer ucklun. We look forward to all the news upon yorlye's return. God speed. GO NORFOLK!!!!!
Name:
Email: -
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 06:28:58 PM
B&B islander where do you get your nasty, petty, small-minded vindictive streak - certainly not from your mum's side! It's 'islanders' like YOU who give Norfolk a bad rep.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 04:01:41 PM
The webcam idea is a great idea...I do beleive that the content of the local newspaper will be published or available to a major newpaper compnay in the near future? But don't quote me on that one...as for the fuel prices I do beleive that has a great bearing on wether or not airfares can be competitive or not...the price of fuel has a reflection on all goods Australia (and world wide)any increase to Australia means a double increase to Norfolk Island in that freight and wholesale costs go up...these are the sort of issues that are not within the Norfolk Island Governments control or ours for that matter. All the Norfolk Island Government can do is to reduce taxes in direct line with imports...but to do so means increases in other areas...lets face it the Government is in a bit of a predicament...it is becoming a rich man's island...I myself have considered the move off the island, not through want of a change but because one is feeling the pinch and the future does look bleak, if the cost of living keeps following the same trend it has over the past months...I sympathise with those who pay for fuel in Australia...in comparison whilst we may be paying close to $2.00 per Litre we do not have to travel far to get to work...how is the price of public transport holding up in Australia? How is the American economy holding? Norfolk Island is not the only place suffering at present...it is a depression that has been predicted for years...bear in mind were there is a down turn there must be an up...again some very good postings...
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 02:36:52 PM
Richie - love the webcam idea! How much do they cost?
Name: Sam
Email: samiam@
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 02:31:01 PM
the locals can leave norfolk because of the high cost of living but they shouldn't move to australia! the petrol here is $1.40 and it won't be long till it hits $2 - I'd suggest people buy a bike, no matter where they live, then we can fight obesity and air pollution at the same time! Don't forget Australia is one of the highest taxed countries in the world....
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 01:56:49 PM
I just heard a rumour that petrol is now $1.90 a litre on Norfolk. When are the powers to be going to realise that they are pricing Norfolk not only off the tourist market, but also that a lot of locals living here are going to have to leave because of the high cost of living! Wake up MLA's, admit defeat and call Australia in to take over. SELF GOVERNMENT IS NOT WORKING!!
Name: estrue
Email: estrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 01:26:18 PM
good idea richi - BUT That is 8 cents a day per australian. That is 20 million australians. Thats about $1.6 million dollars. Otherwise - a great idea !!
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 12:48:20 PM
What would be the cost to Norfolk Island and it's residents to have the Radio Station broadcasting on the Net like a lot of stations around the world?In Australia I think it costs us 8cents a day to run the ABC which can be picked up on the net.Also could the Newspaper have a web site? Anything to get people interested in your Island and once you wet their appetite and they start looking around your web page and see how Beautiful the Island is maybe just maybe they will want to visit.
Name: Food for thought..
Email: hmm@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 October 2005
Time: 10:10:44 AM
I too, didn't take offence to the web cam comment on the wharf. I think it's a great idea to put web cams in and people can look at Norfolk from the other side of the world. Where abouts on the Island do you (Born & Bred Islander) live? (please don't take offence, just interested to know).
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 October 2005
Time: 10:31:52 PM
born & bred islander, GET A LIFE & AN EDUCATION, eh? for a slander case to go ahead, one needs to have actually mentioned names! The comment you refer to was not negative, it seems to me that YOU are very negative, I found the comment about cams on the wharf in jest. Seems to me that you may need a brake!!!
Name: whosdat
Email: bigrock@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 October 2005
Time: 08:45:12 PM
a really good start to promoting the island properly would be to replace the tourism board with members independant of local tour companys and accomadation houses to avoid the constant conflicts of interest and nest feathering that has been seen to date
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 October 2005
Time: 07:36:57 PM
What about a web cam looking across Emily Bay or along the Main Street minus the roundabout if you look up the one that focuses on the Sydney Harbour Bridge you can actually drive the camera there are some great ones around the world an they get a huge number of hits by people wanting to look at what goes on in other parts of the world
Name: Born & Bred Islander
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 October 2005
Time: 04:43:23 PM
Interested Observer - Trust someone like you to add something negative. If I were you I would be very careful what you state especially if you have no proof. Defamation of Character carries very heavy fines. Comments on here were nice and positive until your pathetic input. Get a Life!!
Name: curious
Email: @
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Thursday, 20 October 2005
Time: 02:52:39 PM
I noted in the feedback letters to the 6th August 'Good Weekend' fairy tale about Norfolk, that Rawdon Dalrymple claims to be a descendant of George Hunn Nobbs; does anyone know from which of GHN's children Rawdon is descended? http://www.studentexchange.org.au/scholarships/rawdon/ Rawdon Dalrymple graduated with first class honours from Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar, and following a period lecturing at Sydney University, joined Australia's diplomatic service from which he retired in 1994. He was one of the architects of the Asian Development Bank and served on its Board. He spent a total of seven years in Indonesia where he was Australian Ambassador from 1981 to 1985. He was Ambassador to the United States from 1985 to 1989 and his last assignment was as Ambassador to Japan. In addition to various business and governmental appointments Rawdon was a Visiting Professor at the University of Sydney from 1995 to 2002 where he taught courses in International Relations. He recently published a book, Continental Drift: Australia’s Search for a Regional Identity (Ashgate Publishing). Rawdon brings to the Asean Focus Group his extensive network and insight into major Asian issues.
Name: Interested observer
Email: norfolk61@yahoo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 October 2005
Time: 01:55:35 PM
Richis's suggestion re the web cams has some merit as the fabulous scenery and views of Kingston are a big selling point fo Norfolk. Don't know about a cam on the wharf(s) though as those that have been knocking stuff off over the years won't like that idea one bit...
Name: Gambler
Email: justme@au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 19 October 2005
Time: 06:43:01 PM
Ever thought of setting up a world class casino on Norfolk Island? Probably won't get Australian Government approval but a good idea just the same. Tax free haven for those with plenty to gamble with, would that raise money for local coffers?
Name: Jesus Wept
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 19 October 2005
Time: 05:51:03 PM
Erica, with respect, pub-crawls & jet skis belong to the no-brainer yobbo market segment, already well catered for on certain sections of the Great Barrier Reef & parts of Bali. Lets not go too far down market.
Name: Erica
Email: enticing@
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 19 October 2005
Time: 01:03:13 PM
Maybe even set up a pub crawl long weekend with other cool things thrown in like jet skiing or deep sea fishing. All inclusive of food, accomodation so on and so forth I know that is what I look for in a holiday. That way you can pay for it all and not worry about anything but your spending money.
Name: Pieter Holbie
Email: holbie@aus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
Time: 09:58:25 PM
Maybe there is not enough new activity on Norfolk Island to entice young people and professionals. The only way is to bring back the two island package (Lord Howe & Norfolk) a week on each island. Each island has different qualities that appeal to many. Or perhaps fly out of Sydney & Brisbane to Lord Howe and perhaps go by ship from Lord Howe to Norfolk Island or in the reverse. You need to try and attract a different age group instead of honeymooners Who have others things on their mind, and the one foot in the grave types - those in their twilight years who go to bed when the sun goes down.
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
Time: 09:21:45 PM
Why not put a couple of webcams at strategic points around the island so people can see how pretty the island is.Maybe one looking down onto Kingston,one that could be used when the boats are being unloaded etc.Try looking at the ones set up on Antartica some pretty sights there also ones looking at main cities around the world.If you had these maybe it would wet the appetite for tourists to come and visit
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
Time: 08:58:59 PM
Whoa please forgive the typing...after hitting the go button...the mind was going faster than one can type...hey I am local please forgive....:-)
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
Time: 08:55:39 PM
Whilst the comments may sound insulting to the Norfolk Island Language point taken...Norfolk Island has been will always be proud of the spoken Norfolk Island language...I suppose the promotion was based on the fact that we want to share that with the world...old hat maybe but it is like telling the germans not to speak German, Chinese not to speak Chinses, Fijians not speak Language Fijian that is old hat too...but if this bores the people we want to attract so be it we need to change...all comments good and bad that are constructive deserve to be heard...never having seen the advert in the daily Telegraph I too can't comment, but from the postings on this site must be a doozy??? The challenge is to compete with other countries that have unlimited funds for advertising and promotion where as Norfolk Island is strapped for funds what we spend is what we get??? Some clever ideas wouldn't go astray here on the forum...and word of mouth...now that you are here you obviously care about Norfolk island and are capable of spreading the word...let more join this forum and give their opinion...the comments have been excellent and I believe you all have all been great...harsh or not...for without those comments one would think they are doing ok don't you think...keep them coming.
Name: jacques
Email: jacques@cousteau.net
Country: French Polynesia
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
Time: 02:50:56 PM
Why not reclaim a marvellous 'Pacific' cultural heritage & sing the Pitcairn Anthem in Tahitian? Why not indeed teach Tahitian at the schools?
Name: Caroline
Email: star@au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2005
Time: 12:39:37 AM
In reply. Since when has the Pitcairn Anthem been sung in the Norfolk language? It is always sung in English though Norfolk speaking people of the island have accents which makes the anthem sound different. If you have only heard it once then how can you comment?
Name: Conspiracy Theories
Email: 8@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 11:18:20 PM
Caroline, having not seen the ad in the Telegraph everyone is referring to (maybe someone can post a link to it online so we can see what the fuss is about), I can't pass judgement on it and maybe the Norfolk language on it is inappropriately used in this instance - BUT - I think making statements like "The language is dying out with every generation so let it go - no one is interested only those of you on the island that speak it" are not very well informed, quite possibly untrue with regard to nobody being interested (those with an interest in etiology would be very interested in the knowing that NI even has its own language), and potentially quite insulting to those islanders who value their language and do make the effort to see that it doesn't die out. It is spoken all over the island. The children speak it in school where once there were punitive consequences if they were caught speaking it, they are taught it in school, and it is a vital part of who NI people are. Tastefully used, I would think it could be a very enticing element of an advertisement for NI. One of the most moving and empowering things I have witnessed while being on the island is to hear the islanders singing the Pitcairn Anthem at the recent Multicultural Day celebrations. I had never heard it before yet all the locals in attendance, both young and old, knew it and sang it with pride in Norfolk language. Please try and be a little bit more sensitive with your comments. Yu haew 'nais dieh :)
Name: Slats Grobnik, Senior Account Director, Saatchi and Saatchi
Email: Grobbo@saatchi.bizzo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 01:12:21 PM
surely the magic bullet solution is a combination of: 1) an outrageously brilliant website promoting Norfolk's attractions 2) print media ads. pointing punters to the website 3) 'prize rewards/incentives' offered in the print media ads. for visiting the website
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 11:29:46 AM
Glad to see others agree with me about the Norfolk Island advertisement in the Daily Telegraph. Will wait and see if who ever submitted this to the newspaper makes any dramatic changes in the way Norfolk is promoted. I understand that multi coloured advertising is expensive but it is the content which needs attention also get rid of that darn map of NI.
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 10:58:35 AM
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Name: Food for thought
Email: ideas@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 10:16:56 AM
Yesterday I saw the advertisement in the Daily Telegraph for Norfolk Island. Not very exciting, I must admit. It is too busy. Too much writing. It needs to be short and to the point with a catchy phrase that makes people interested and want to know more. And why put a map of Norfolk as the background? How boring! Of all the picturesque landscapes Norfolk can show off, they had to put a boring map of the island as the picture! Maybe it might be a good idea to send someone to a graphic design or desktop publishing course as that would teach them new artistic ideas and to have an eye for designing things and what looks good and what doesn't. Norfolk es one good side fe be. So why not show it off in a catchy advertisement that makes people wanto to know more. Remember, network marketing is a powerful tool in the business world. So if someone saw a catchy ad for Norfolk in the paper that offered a great deal, they are going to tell their friends about it, and their friends will tell their other friends, and the other friends will go off and tell more and so forth! So as you can see, it is important to be able to make a good first impression!
Name: food for thought..
Email: chew@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 10:08:37 AM
Yesterday I saw the advertisement in the Daily Telegraph for Norfolk Island. Not very exciting, I must admit. It is too busy. Too much writing. It needs to be short and to the point with a catchy phrase that makes people interested and want to know more. And why put a map of Norfolk as the background? How boring! Of all the picturesque landscapes Norfolk can show off, they had to put a boring map of the island as the picture! Maybe it might be a good idea to send someone to a graphic design or desktop publishing course as that would teach them new artistic ideas and to have an eye for designing things and what looks good and what doesn't. Norfolk es one good side fe be. So why not show it off in a catchy advertisement that makes people wanto to know more. Remember, network marketing is a powerful tool in the business world. So if someone saw a catchy ad for Norfolk in the paper that offered a great deal, they are going to tell their friends about it, and their friends will tell their other friends, and the other friends will go off and tell more and so forth! So as you can see, it is important to be able to make a good first impression!
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 17 October 2005
Time: 09:44:28 AM
Thanks Bounty Descendant - nice to know our comments are being looked at and hopefully some proactive ideas spin off from them. Have a great day!
Name: Caroline
Email: star@au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 16 October 2005
Time: 10:02:10 PM
In reply to Andre re advertisement for Norfolk Island in the Telegraph, I too have noticed it but reckon it is a load of rubbish - obviously some of the text is the local language, but what tourist is attracted to that. The language is dying out with every generation so let it go - no one is interested only those of you on the island that speak it. I also agree with Angre that there is far too much information in the advert. Got to do better than that effort in enticing tourism.
Name: A Bounty Descendant [and damn proud of it]
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 16 October 2005
Time: 06:05:18 PM
To Keith N & Carl Bleumer............if you have problems keeping your idiotic comments constructive - then keep the hell off this forum. Re the murder – you are obviously blind to the fact there are more unsolved murders in Australia than anywhere else in the world, so check your own skeletons before you start throwing pathetic comments. For all you know it is one of your own who committed the crime. Keep up the positive comments all you other contributors. We need more people like you.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 16 October 2005
Time: 01:16:25 PM
Despite the slight of hand at the unsolved Murder, the postings have been very positive...some good remarks re the Web markets...I do believe there are some local shops that already have websites for shopping online...as fo local produce to sell we do not have any commercial markets, but do have some local products that may sell via the net...one to ponder?? As for mobile phones you either hate or love em need them or don't need them...but at the end of the day the choice to have, use, go on holiday is up to the individual...at present you don't have that choice because we simply do not have the system...the Mobile trunking system was originally installed with the sole purpose of being used by the emergency services on Norfolk Island, as an off shoot to raise some money to support the system business houses or any one who thought they needed a phone was able to hook into the system at a cost...now the system is overloaded and at times of an emergency the lines can quickly jam up...secondly the trunking phone is not secure in that anyone with a scanner can listen in...most business such as plumbers, electricians etc now rely heavily on the phone system...fishing boats use them, and certianly have become a means of communication when isolated...the trunking system needs to be upgraded as it is at capacity...the trunking system is out dated, the phones are bulky and are expensive to replace...mobile phones on the other hand are compact, have a number of assessories that make them a little easier to use, carry, and can be programmed to ring silent, vibrate(Nice for some)and have a wide range of benefits to overseas visitors...I have witnessed many get off an aircraft with the mobile phone and try to make a call home...like everything else they become part of the every day item...I am sure that to be contactable whilst on Holiday is a must for many travellers wether it be for business or just to keep in touch with relatives...Norfolk Island needs to cater for the visitor in which way they can...if mobile phones are what a visitor needs...then thats what we need to have...I had a mobile phone whilst in Brisbane, I had never ever used one until my visit and it became such a useful tool to the point I would have been lost without it...mobile phones are certainly not everyones cup of tea...but the choice should be up to the individual...a bit of forwarding thinking here...that whilst mobile phones may be annoying today technology is advancing to a point the one day those annoying points could ironed out...Considering mobile phones are no different to a noisy conversation in a busy cafe (believe me I have sat in one here on Norfolk Island trying to have a quiet lunch and our conversation has been drowned out by other patrons in conversation!) or the noise of someone mowing the lawns down the road...we wait and see...good point from the USA... yes may be a point in the right direction towards this forum, for those who need to read it just may happen...
Name: Missed the point
Email: 8@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 16 October 2005
Time: 12:41:14 AM
You've missed the point. I agree that mobiles are invasive and I certainly don't think they are a must have item on NI, however, to diversify the tourist market one needs to explore other demographics and whilst you (personally) may be able to spend a week here without a mobile many people (who are also very affluent) cannot, and even email is not convenient for the tourist. As one person has already stated the trunking system mobiles are already in use and you can already hear their conversations, AND they are louder and more intrusive than regular mobiles because you have to speak louder into them and you can often here the other end of the conversation too, so maybe regular mobiles will help restore some level of peace and quiet to the island. Personally, I would not rush out and connect a mobile should a mobile system be istalled as I too am quite relieved I don't need mine anymore, however, it should be an option for those who depend on them. One should be careful not to confuse habitual 'yuppy' use of mobiles with legitimate monbile use. I will give you a point in case. Relatives recently visited me from the mainland. They run a successful business there. They spent a week here and two of the 10 days they were here I received two frantic emails from the business regarding things that had gone wrong that needed immeidate attention. Only problem was, we were out doing tourist stuff (and just quietly they spent a bomb here), so I did not receive the emails till the evening, by which time it was too late to do anything about. This had a serious monetary impact on their business that could have been averted if they could have been contacted immediately. As it turned out a simple instruction could have returned things to business as usual without any downtime instead of a whole days worth of downtime. So while they were here 'having a life' their real life was negatively affected because they could not be contacted immeidately. Is that fair?
Name: Carl Bluemer
Email: cb@au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 16 October 2005
Time: 12:39:31 AM
Here's a though maybe you could start up your own Royal Family of Bounty Descendants kick out the Administrator and take the throne down at Kingston. Imagine all the perks for those close to the King and Queen of Norfolk Island. Royalty draws the press and groupies, just look at Queen Liz in England (tourists everywhere trying to get a glimpse) big bucks to Britain. You can conduct Royal tours to you little island, and royal souvenirs now that's a capital venture you can undertake. The King & Queen can go on parade just as they do in England I hear there are some descendants on your island who have peerage connections so that narrows down the selection.
Name: Kjel Buffett
Email: 4me2no@mindyrbis.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 11:51:02 PM
All of you people that keep on mentioning the mobile phone like it is a "Must Have" get a life, who wants to go on a peacefull holiday to beautiful Norfolk and have their bloody mobile phone ring everywhere they go, not me. I have been back in Aus for about 9 months now and I hate the bloody things and I miss the peace and quite of Norfolk. Email is the best way to keep in touch with loved ones off and on the Island and it is cheaper and quiter, I say No to the mobile for the sake of the tourist and get a life, Buff.
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 08:45:15 PM
Good on you Keith just when some constructive things are being said on the forum YOU COME ALONG AND DESTRUCT.I would rather walk down a street on Norfolk Island than walk down some of the streets in Sydney or Kings Cross for fear of getting attacked or stabbed with a syringe HOW many unsolved Murders are there in Australia in the last one year and Norfolk Island has one in 200 years and you critise the country Australia is still getting it's fair share of tourists. In regards to the Mobile phone debate if and when I come back to Norfolk Island I would rather use a mobile phone than buy Norfolk phone cards as I need to be in touch with my business and to stand in a Public phone booth and see the dollars rapidly dissapearing off my Phone card is incredible,so you have my vote for a mobile system.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 07:57:21 PM
re the mobile phone debate - I remember when the referendum was held some locals stated they were going to vote against it because they didn't want to be disturbed by a phone ringing and hearing half a conversation, but that's exactly what happens at the moment with the trunking mobile system that is used as a mobile phone system at the moment! Take a look through the new phone book and just see how many people have "mobile" phones - a large number of tradesmen have them, most likely so they can be contacted throughout the day and not miss out on possible future business - exactly what the mobile phone system is used for on the mainland. If you go down to emily bay or through foodies chances are you will see or hear someone talking on their "mobile" phone. Come on MLA's pull your heads out of the sand and make an intelligent decision regarding the future of this island. If you are unable to do so, quit and stop wasting our time.
Name: space cadet
Email: littlefluffyclouds@sky
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 12:55:17 PM
yep that newspaper ad was pretty lame think King Island Cheese dont you have any local products to market? cheese, beef , art,tea ,coffee, lavender ,ginger, wine ? people love to look at that sort of stuff the ad says uniquely norfolk so show people the unique side old sydney town closed down a few years ago because people were bored shitless with that theme it aint so unique people vote with their feet! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 11:57:08 AM
Sorry Keith, but get over it. Travellers are well aware that violence is possible anywhere they go, the people I've spoken to don't give a rats about the fact that a murder has happened in the last 200 years - It's still safer than where they are living! Let's concentrate on the positive yes?
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 11:53:28 AM
Another idea: has anyone considered the idea of online shopping? Just imagine - "Can't get to Norfolk, no time to fly? Pay Norfolk Island prices and shop from your living room!" If the tourists aren't travelling to Norfolk and aren't spending enough money while they are there, widen your market. Cater to the billion plus consumers who buy stuff on the net. You could form a co-operative with all the businesses on the island and have a one-stop-shop where you can type in, for example, norfolkshopping.com and buy Lego from Bounty Centre, wine from the Bond, beautiful lingerie from The Underworld, diamonds, books, Norfolk Memorabilia, the sky's the limit. This way your livihood isn't dependant on the up's and down's (pardon the pun) of the flight industry.
Name: Keith N
Email: keith@
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 11:51:33 AM
Does thought come to mind that the unsolved murder on your island is discouraging tourism? Maybe people are unsure of their safety until this matter is resolved.
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 08:57:01 AM
I don't know of anyone pesonally who would do advertising in exchange for a holiday - but why don't you start emailing marketing professionals with a proposal? In regard to getting the right people to view this forum - just invite them. Email them, ring them, write an open invitation letter (anonomously if you wish) listing the forum address in the local paper, create curiousity and people will start to talk and brainstorm. I also agree with the comment made by 'Conspiracy' - mobile coverage for young to middle-aged executives could open up a massive new market for Norfolk, but I wouldn't press them on the young people. Norfolk is unique in its quiet, close family way of life and over here too many of the emerging generation are losing the art of communication and manners. They are losing their courage to confront/talk/debate because they'll just text someone to break up with them, or text to say they're not coming in to work, they're becoming cowardly and withdrawn from society because they can hide behind their mobile phones and pretend to be busy. Sorry to go on!
Name: Monique
Email: talk@au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 15 October 2005
Time: 12:05:42 AM
I agree with the previous entry... don't bite the hand that feeds you (tourists). Get with modern society and get mobile... give to your youth what they crave mobile phones and the ability to communicate. Never know if you don't try it. Maybe if tourists know that you have a mobile network they may come on over. It is the fear of isolation from modern society that might stop many, once upon a time we were all in the same boat, now we have technology at our fingertips and it is awesome. Get with it Norfolk Island before you get left behind in a void. You can't stay living in the past forever.
Name: Conspiracy Theories
Email: nomedeplume@NI.somewhere
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 11:22:41 PM
The mobile phone issue is linked directly to the flagging tourism issue. Many have said that a change in the target tourist is needed to help boost numbers, however, young-to-middle aged professionals looking for weekend escapes cannot necessarily afford to go into a telecommunications black hole even for a few days. As much as they would like to get away from the trappings of their professional obligations, the truth of the matter is they often can't and they must be contactable at a moments notice for one reason or another. As much as people protest this is the reality. Having been joined at the hip to my mobile in my previous life I can vouch for this and would never choose to go somewhere that I could not be immediately contacted should the need arise. I love not needing my mobile here (I use mine as an alarm clock now) and can completely understand the objections to them, but there is no sense biting the hand that feeds you, especially when you take into consideration the revenue earning potential of such a venture. And as far as impinging on the NI way of life there is always that little gem called freedom of choice. No-one is going to force anyone to get a mobile, so if you don't want one you don't have to get one. I wonder what the result of a referendum on the issue would be today if you also gave the 'youth' of NI a say. Mobiles are an intrinsic part of contemporary life and the difficulties NI is having retaining their youth may, in part, be due to a reluctance to offer the contempoary lifestyle they all know about but are being denied.
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 11:12:51 PM
Maybe if the facilities and runways were made suitable for certain aircraft to land safely, airline companies may consider doing the Norfolk run. Also if there was a harbour built cruise ships may stop off on way to New Zealand and other destinations. Seems to me there has not been too much forward planning done over the years and now the costs to do these upgrades will be terribly expensive compared to years back if only some MP's had taken initiative, things might be in such a state.. an Administration with not much capital at hand. Surely in the current situation many hosts of Accommodation facilities must be really feeling the drop off in numbers of tourists coming your way. Is it possible that far too many were allowed to be built.
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 11:00:18 PM
Maybe if the facilities and runways were made suitable for certain aircraft to land safely, airline companies may consider doing the Norfolk run. Also if there was a harbour built cruise ships may stop off on way to New Zealand and other destinations. Seems to me there has not been too much forward planning done over the years and now the costs to do these upgrades will be terribly expensive compared to years back if only some MP's had taken initiative, things might be in not be in such a state.. an Administration with not much capital at hand. Surely in the current situation many hosts of Accommodation facilities must be really feeling the drop off in numbers of tourists coming your way. Is it possible that far too many were allowed to be built.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 08:18:49 PM
Some very good comments all around...Norfolk Island certainly needs to keep up with the times and to cater for the Visitor. I do believe the issue of Mobile phones could be back on the agenda as an alternate income for the Government...I do beleive we will eventually have them...some may not like the idea bit in this day and age we do need to have a service that most visitors a used to having. It was first thought that no one would want internet on Norfolk Island...we can't live without it!(That may be an overstatement...but...). I was wondering if the paeople that should be seeing these comments actually drop into this forum at all?? If not they are missing out on some potential world wide think tank that could drag us out of the rutt we are in, as there has been some brilliant comments here in the last few posts...please keep them coming...and if you know of anyone that is prepared to do any advertising in exchange for a holiday maybe that can be arranged?? There has not been too many airlines in the run that are prepared to take on a Norfolk Island run as the cost can be mind blowing...it is a wonder we don't have an airline that could maybe fly through to fiji, New Cal or any of the other islands...some years back before Casa Regs stopped the small aircraft trips Between Lord Howe and Norfolk, there was a very popular 10 day package, 5 Norfolk and 5 Lord Howe...given a 737 or future Airbus I am almost certain the run would be very popular...not too sure what sort of politics and red tape one would have to wade through to get soemthing like this going?? As for the tours re convicts etc I agree they do become boring though are still popular to the newcomers...not sure what else we could do for the history revolves around the colonial convict and the pitcairn heritage...keep the posts coming a think tank like this is what is needed any suggestions or any person that is willing to take up a challenge I am sure would be very welcomed by the tourist board...I can always point the right (Tourist Board)persons to this forum if anyone has any constructive advice to offer...?
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 06:16:15 PM
Reply to "Food for thought" It is essential that Norfolk Island get into the real world, with the current catastrophes worldwide a MOBILE network is on top of the list. People may want a quiet holiday but they too need to be able to contact family in a hurry and when they want to. Also business people on holiday also need their mobile network as most are on call even though they might be on vacation. When we leave Australia we get our mobiles switched to roaming and we can use the networks in other countries. Norfolk in the past has had earth tremors .... considering where it is situated on the line down to New Zealand. Yes something could happen there volcanic wise. If tourists could have access to mobile service I'm sure more would go there. Why is the Government fighting it??? Is it the cost of setting up such a network?
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 01:49:56 PM
Prefer not to butt in and suggest an advertisement company but I thought you had engaged a fellow who had done great things for Thredbo has this been a good move do you think? Have the tourist numbers dropped considerably since the Norfolk Island airline went bust? The current situation with leasing Nauru Airlines planes cannot be sustained, so your Government must start and make decisions regarding an alternate airline as the current costs must be eating away at any bank balance your Government may have to run the island. These uncertainies would not encourage people to travel there as the pin could be pulled on the Nauru deal and with no other airline to jump in an take over the run why would anyone take the risk going there.
Name: food for thought...
Email: chewing@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 01:07:53 PM
Andre - You have some pretty good ideas. Norfolk needs someone like you in the tourism/advertising sector! I agree, Norfolk definitely needs to look at setting up a mobile service as most people do carry their mobile phones with them on holidays (to others disgust). It's just the conveniance of being able to keep in contact with your friends/family or even work by simply sending an sms or to be able to make a quick call at your own conveniance! Yes, we need some new modern ideas for advertising Norfolk and airfares etc as the advertisement itself is really important because it either entices people to come over for a holiday or it turns people away. And that is where the quality of the advertisement is important. First impressions make a lasting impression! Norfolk needs some really eye-opening deals with airfares to try and entice people to visit Norfolk Island.
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 12:55:43 PM
Another idea for a fresh approach to newspaper ad's - is there a local who is/has studying journalism/ad design/marketing? Perhaps they could be consulted about new ideas? Maybe one of the local kids are at Uni needing something to work on. It would be a great way to breathe fresh life into the ad's and also give them a leg up into the industry. Win/win.
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 12:49:38 PM
Andre - you're in the travel business, do you know anyone who could design an effective print ad? Your ideas sound very fresh and upbeat.
Name: Garnet
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 12:36:43 PM
How often is the Norfolk Island phone book updated online? The current one on the Government site is out of date people listed in it have died quite a long time ago. There should always be a current (2005) addition online. Something else that nbeeds attention don't you reckon. Too much time running the airline no dout about that!
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 12:05:47 PM
Another thought guys perhaps all the day tours need some fresh input - to you on the island they might seem old and proven successful - so why change? Believe me to tourists they become boring especially all the convict themed trips. That line is outdated and stale. Yes, the history of Norfolk Island is interesting but I believe you can have guides to tell of the history but all that convict dress ups etc are old and stale. Do something fresh and exciting and you will entice tourism. The accommodation should be looked at also as it had become overpriced in the market. Instead of TEP's give the locals out of work incentive to work in the tourism field. Also MOBILE PHONES - tourists today need that service. Some may not but many who travel these days do require mobile roaming service which is available in New Zealand and other countries.
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 09:06:07 AM
If money is short perhaps you could pay someone in a differnet way to design the advertisments? Say, design a series of (say 6 months worth or print/radio/tv, different genres etc.) ad's and we'll give you a flight to Norfolk, accomodation, car and a couple of tours thrown in? Not all payment has to be money - you can apply the leverage that you do have - Norfolk! If I was sitting at my desk in Sydney and someone called me up and offered me this I'd be designing my butt off! And don't limit yourself to who you chose - contact the absolute best in the country, they might be gagging for a holiday, you never know.
Name: notelling
Email: nottelling@.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 07:41:39 AM
I agree with Andre, just turn to the very back page of the telephone directory and have a look at the ridiculous advertisement that the Norfolk Island Tourist Bureau has put in there. I think looking at a fence post is more exciting. You need someone professional to do up the adverts for our tourism that will catch the eye, especially when you consider the cost to advertise in the mainland newspapers.
Name: born & bred islander
Email: here.norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 October 2005
Time: 05:08:50 AM
Great comments from the previous 3 submitters. All of you are 100% correct in what you say especially the comment regarding being constructive and not destructive. We need heaps more entries like yours and thank you for your input. Let's hope everyone else follows in your footsteps. Have a great day :)
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 October 2005
Time: 09:23:38 PM
Now where getting some good stuff on the Forum not knocking N/I as in previous entries.Been there twice loved the country and the hospitality and would love to return again.Maybe some constructive criticism will go a long way not DESTRUCTIVE criticism like it's been.
Name: Andre
Email: tourism@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 October 2005
Time: 03:52:25 PM
Because I am in the travel business I look in the newspapers regularly - I note the advertisement for Norfolk in the Traveller section of today's Daily Telegraph, if that's the best you can do to encourage people to your island you have lost the plot. The lead in on Tahiti beats it for sure. Just putting an outlined map of Norfolk with Norfolk Island written over it is not eye catching for readers of the newspaper, it kind of blends into the background. A nice coloured photograph of Norfolk would be more appealing. Who is running your advertising? There is too much information in area 20cm x 14cm and is seems to blend into the background, you need to have bold print that stands out and grabs the reader. Whoever submitted this to the Daily Telegraph needs pulling into line as it does nothing to encourage tourism to your island.
Name: Ella
Email: ella@
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 October 2005
Time: 11:34:16 AM
Good idea Local - have you thought about linking Norfolk websites to American ones (travel websites, hotel, honeymoon ideas, american travel groups, etc)? Free advertising and start to get the Norfolk name into the American mind. Heaps of Americans want to go on holiday but where is a safe destination away from it all? Norfolk. They just don't know it exists.
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 October 2005
Time: 11:23:09 AM
Seems as though if you want to go broke quickly...start an airline. Bad publicity, rising fuel costs, government charges, lack there of, of advertising...lovely island but damn hard to get too cost wise...cheaper to fly to other destinations where the turn around is far greater and the publicity speaks for itself...it all comes down to the dollar and you would almost say that if it ain't backed by American or Asian $$ then you miss out...we need to broaden our range of advertising and to highlight the things that you say formerfa...given Norfolk Island has much to offer the seats need to be full to make the airfares reasonable...competition kept it down for a little while...Cruise ships have called in and I can recall one visit were the Captain decided it too rough to land...the pax clanned together and decided they would be prepared to risk it...missing out on the novelty of getting ashore by boat was just to great to bare...the pax enjoyed themselves...great deal of them Americans...
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 October 2005
Time: 12:07:38 AM
good point about the jetstar advertising, however... when an airline like jetstar or virgin announce a new destination, there is usually quite a lot of promotional work done on the part of the airline. If it dosent work for them, regardless of the subsidies the destination might be paying, it damages their reputation. I have been involved with the launch of two virgin blue destinations (Broome and Coffs Harbour). I was also at Alliance when they started Cairns and Hamilton Island twice a week. Yes in all cases the fares were very cheap, however the work done to make sure the planes were full was unbelieveable! For me, norfolk shouldnt change one bit (the island that is). And I dont think a change in market would or should change it. I think the advertising money could be much better spent advertising the diversity - the history, the scenery, the parties, the celebrations, the paradise it is. Norfolk imho has more to offer in terms of fun/paradise than Vanuatu, Fiji, and New Cali... I know many that would agree... Add to that the rich history/culture, and the friendly people - you guys are sitting on a tourist mecca! I know moneys tight, but emphasise these (and i dont mean a 3inch high black and white ad in the general section of the travel section of the newspaper)... Back to the original point - yes, you probably would be playing a part in propping up jetstar/virgin/whoever - BUT your hotels would be full, there would be less of them on all inclusive packages, which in turn would help the local businesses who miss out on those package tours... And then youd have word of mouth - it would become self sustaining. Lot more to it i appreciate, but...
Name: hopefull
Email: mklj
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 October 2005
Time: 02:24:07 PM
We must remember the only advertising Jetstar seem to do is a come fly jetstar prices from $39 etc no destination advertising which Norfolk needs by handing over money for advertising we would be helping the jatstar logo but would we be helping our own marketing????
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 October 2005
Time: 12:09:36 PM
Formerfa You are dead right re the 737...well we only hope that good publicity will filter our way sooner or later? Yes there is certainly a lot one can do here in relation to tourist activities...it is all in what you want? I do believe that is what the Government should be listening to, and not what they think the visitor wants. We also have a slight trade off that has always tugged at the industry and that is trying to remain the same Norfolk Island that we were of yesterday..whilst we do wish to retain as much of the local custom etc, tourisim can be a damanding industry which can cause changes that are sometimes not so pleasant and some that are for the better...at the end of the day Norfolk is and always will be here...we have a lot that the mainland can't offer and that is what is so special about Norfolk...
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 October 2005
Time: 11:12:30 PM
34 pax!!? ooh not good... and that 737 dosent come cheap - would have been a big loss maker that one. Norfolk has so much to offer... Im 21, definitely not newly wed, and well not nearly dead yet - but I used to have a FANTASTIC TIME over there... All my friends here in melbourne are sick to death of me crapping on about how much of a great time i had in a place they have no idea about. Despite this, they all would probably make great tour guides by now despite never having been there... Point is, theres more of a market than the elderly and honeymooners. Crapping on, but god i miss norfolk...
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 October 2005
Time: 10:12:07 AM
Very good comments formafa, we need to have an idea what people who wish to travel here want and the problems they have in getting here. If people can't find the information they need then the government & airlines need to know. ast Saturady nights "Red Eye" flight (in11.30pm out 01.10am) only hosted out of 34 pax approximately 8 visitors the rest were locals. Certainly not a profitable flight by any means?? The Airbus will possibly eventually be able to fly to Norfolk Island once the airport upgrade takes place...(this includes the lengthening of the runway for the Airbus.) Jet star would be the way to go if the bad publicity it has just recently had doesn't come with it...we need an airline that can promote not hinder Norfolk Island...I am not saying that Jet Star would do this and welcome any airline so that the Norfolk Island Government can get back to what they are supposed to do...that is to run an island not an Airline! It was a shame that Alliance use F100's, these craft are a little too small in that it seemed that once there were more than 80 pax bags were off loaded...result many complaints and upset non returning visitors...remember good and bad business can be sold on word of mouth! Common sense would have been to negotiate or at least help Norfolk Jet out...similar to that of the New Zealand Government and Air New Zealand...but unfortunately this was not to be...and now see the way we have come!!! We remain positive that Norfolk Island will pick up...we have to it is our only income...maybe we are just flying on a wing and prayer at present??????
Name: Local
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 October 2005
Time: 10:11:51 AM
Very good comments formafa, we need to have an idea what people who wish to travel here want and the problems they have in getting here. If people can't find the information they need then the government & airlines need to know. ast Saturady nights "Red Eye" flight (in11.30pm out 01.10am) only hosted out of 34 pax approximately 8 visitors the rest were locals. Certainly not a profitable flight by any means?? The Airbus will possibly eventually be able to fly to Norfolk Island once the airport upgrade takes place...(this includes the lengthening of the runway for the Airbus.) Jet star would be the way to go if the bad publicity it has just recently had doesn't come with it...we need an airline that can promote not hinder Norfolk Island...I am not saying that Jet Star would do this and welcome any airline so that the Norfolk Island Government can get back to what they are supposed to do...that is to run an island not an Airline! It was a shame that Alliance use F100's, these craft are a little too small in that it seemed that once there were more than 80 pax bags were off loaded...result many complaints and upset non returning visitors...remember good and bad business can be sold on word of mouth! Common sense would have been to negotiate or at least help Norfolk Jet out...similar to that of the New Zealand Government and Air New Zealand...but unfortunately this was not to be...and now see the way we have come!!! We remain positive that Norfolk Island will pick up...we have to it is our only income...maybe we are just flying on a wing and prayer at present??????
Name: Amy
Email: amyjen2510@hotmail.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Sunday, 09 October 2005
Time: 10:52:26 AM
Hey all yorley!! Felt a need to write..At the moment I'm in Scotland, The Mutiny on the Bounty is well famous over here and I haven't tired of saying where I'm from and larnen everybody bout myse herritage. It distinguishes us greatly. So sad that more people don't realise the indiferance which separates us from Australians. I could not be prouder of Norfolk and of our beautiful way.
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 08 October 2005
Time: 10:20:33 PM
Not sure if the tyre pressure on the A320 (which is what jetstar have approval to fly on overwater ops), would be too high... Last I heard it was... I cant see the current operation being a cost effective solution. Its fortunate for Air Nauru however, I get the feeling they highly depend on it. IMHO, a high profile airline (like jetstar or virgin) is the way to go (although some work would probably need to be done to the runway over there). The promotions the airlines do for the destination is worth every cent in my opinion... My big beef about the whole thing is, I think Norfolk is such a fantastic place, but half the people i speak to dont know it exists. EVEN TRAVEL AGENTS!? Usually if they do, they are shocked when I tell them that its a fantastic place to go (and I am definitely not newly wed or nearly dead). The number of people who think Norfolk Island is a sandy island 20mins boat ride off the QLD coast is crazy!? The package deals advertised in newspapers are the downfall. Even I have had difficulty finding a fare. I rang Qantas, and they (reservations) told me they knew nothing about it!? How is anyone supposed to buy a ticket? I tried Zuji online, and it was the only way I could find a fare. The likes of Jetstar/Virgin make it easy for people to book, and put the destination in a different category - a viable tourist destination! Of course you could always lobby for Ozjet to come there... Id love to get back over there...
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 October 2005
Time: 05:54:55 PM
is it the chief minister actually doing the running of the airline or is it admin? perhaps the answer to where the money is going lies in admin management.
Name: hopeful
Email: ncvsd
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 October 2005
Time: 03:29:29 PM
They are saving the money they collect because the only way to get Jetstar to fly here is to put up half a mill for advertising and wipe landing fees so forget making money from landing fees like they did with other carries this is the deal: if jetstar comes. Yet wasnt it the landing fees owed by norfolk jet that the admin took them to court over...... Please answer chief minister you have spent millions running this airline and now you have to pay more to get another airline in before you run out of money which may only be weeks away.....!!!!! Justify your actions to our community.....
Name: question
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 October 2005
Time: 07:09:19 AM
Question is ----- where is all the money gone that Admin collects?
Name: lets see
Email: letssee
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 06 October 2005
Time: 10:44:23 PM
huttae - nah I wouldn't the circus pays better for clowns
Name: huttae
Email: cardofunorlarn@norfolk.nf
Country: Albania
Date: Thursday, 06 October 2005
Time: 10:03:28 PM
Lets see... I agree, BUT - we have the choice to boot them out and put ourselves up for election in their place n do a better job.. We might be in a mess, but we still lucky...
Name: out of sight
Email: kawa@afghanistan.com
Country: Afghanistan
Date: Thursday, 06 October 2005
Time: 08:12:25 PM
I was just wondering if Osama Bin Ladens cousin was still on norfolk island? apparently he is. You will know him if you see him, he looks like poppa smurf.
Name: beancounter
Email: INTOSAI
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 06 October 2005
Time: 02:55:32 PM
Good to see there's at most two people in here who can agree on something at least! But seriously, ALL who care passionately about Norfolk succeeding as a proud, independant & economically robust polity - whether they be Islanders, Locals, expatriates, onlookers, onshore or offshore - should be deeply concerned regarding the issues 'whatever' has raised, & debating them vigorously on an open Forum like this. The harsh reality is that Canberra HAS NEVER made the slightest effort to train a core cadre of civil-service professionals for Norfolk, in the 150 years in which it has held administrative oversight of the Island. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Politicians are simply the 'alembic' through which a community's CORE VALUES are distilled; it is the role of a PROFESSIONAL CIVIL-SERVICE to translate those values into effective public policy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lets not forget that there a number of VESTED INTERESTS both on Norfolk & in Canberra, who would just love to see the 'Norfolk Experiment' FAIL. Perhaps Norfolk's politicians should be looking more to Whitehall for public sector inspiration - than to a sheep station gone bad??? [ the dreaming grounds of the Ngunnawal people for over 20,000 years were appropriated in 1823 as a sheep run; later named Canberra ] ref: Professional Skills for Government http://www.gsr.gov.uk/professional_development/professional_skills.asp
Name: lets see
Email: letssee
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 06 October 2005
Time: 09:57:10 AM
beancounter: re your document link, with chapter headings like Integrity, Professional Secrecy and Competence I agree with you completely!
Name: beancounter
Email: INTOSAI
Country: Oceans
Date: Wednesday, 05 October 2005
Time: 04:12:40 PM
Unless 'whatever' is peeing in our pockets, it sounds like the NIG urgently needs to sign up with the 'International Organization of Supreme Audit Institutions' as per: http://www.intosai.org/Level3/Guidelines/3_CodEth_AudStand2001_E.pdf Given that the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) [ http://www.anao.gov.au/ ] is a fully paid-up member of INTOSAI, what is it doing to assist the Gov't of NI in getting it's public finances in order??? "The Lima Declaration of Guidelines on Public Sector Auditing Precepts." http://www.intosai.org/Level2/2_LIMADe.html I. General Section 1. Purpose of audit " The concept and establishment of audit is inherent in public financial administration as the management of public funds represents a trust. Audit is not an end in itself but an indispensable part of a regulatory system whose aim is to reveal deviations from accepted standards and violations of the principles of legality, efficiency, effectiveness and economy of financial management early enough to make it possible to take corrective action in individual cases, to make those accountable accept responsibility, to obtain compensation, or to take steps to prevent--or at least render more difficult--such breaches. "
Name: Ca beat et!
Email: youcabeatNorfolk@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 05 October 2005
Time: 10:29:05 AM
Norfolk es still one lovely side fe be! This person thought so too: http://www.thread.co.nz/article/1658
Name: whatever
Email: ninifaNI@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 05 October 2005
Time: 09:00:02 AM
missed out a chief minister who refuses to answer any public debate and tells all admin staff they are being as productive as possible.thats going to help the problem. a finance minister who has taken the island to bankrupcy (yes they are currently trading insolvently and when norfolk jet did this the ni government took them to court and shut them down, is it only a matter of time before someone does the same to them)he still wont stop spending crazy amounts of money on new projects we cant afford and it is easy to see this is all to create employment....NO MONEY...CANT SPEND!!!!!! lots of piles of dirt everywhere, never see any development applications, are there two sets of rules, one for the indians another for the chiefs? most people dont know all admin staff get a super contribition met by the gov. dollar for dollar....thats all our money that we are not entitled to....no wonder they are broke. that and all the free airfare entitlements........ oh, could that have been part of the driving force behind the gov. run airline? the self gov. experiment hasnt worked as there are too many unacountable nest featherers rorting the system. time for a change. and dont be fooled , the way this place is heading it could go to a collapsed lawless society with many problems bali faces very quickly c'mon aussie c'mon ????????????
Name: lets see
Email: norlarnen
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 October 2005
Time: 06:43:55 AM
hettae - ess true, but the people in charge aren't doing that to bali
Name: huttae
Email: cardofunorlarn@norfolk.nf
Country: Albania
Date: Tuesday, 04 October 2005
Time: 08:36:47 PM
Hey Norlarnen - Spare a thought fu dem in Bali............... We might nor like how we looken jes now, but thank goodness we nor se reach the stage dem se... Ciao.
Name: lets see
Email: norlarnen
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 04 October 2005
Time: 02:02:16 PM
No overtime for Admin workers due to lack of funds, Admin takes over an airline and wont tell anybody how much they are making or losing, apparently no money for admins bills if everybody leaves at the same time (improbable but possible), fuel runs out, air freight backlog, power charges increase by 10%, businesses cutting back on staff and hours, the future of NSL uncertain, police called to investigate telecommunications leak - yep, Norolk's really in good hands!
Name: allblacksrock
Email: hg.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:17:40 PM
Yes bob2gothecowboys - docorates, which doesn't say much for you...do you speak good england? Go the Tigers!
Name: bob2@gothecowboys.com
Email: seeabove@gurgle.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:14:20 PM
He's got, like, six docorates, I believe. Usana? Do they do health stuff??
Name: Bob
Email: hg.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:10:47 PM
We are the knights of Ni! come over here...I'll bite your leg off! how many degrees has Dr. Karl got? Have you evr heard of Usana?
Name: Bob2
Email: snotnose@blow.com
Country: Belarus
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:08:02 PM
I fart in your general direction!! And it's only a flesh wound!!
Name: bob
Email: hg.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:05:07 PM
Guess wot movie? "I blow my nose at you! your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of Elderberries!!!"
Name:
Email: mmmchocolate.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:03:41 PM
wonder if the web host likes Depp?
Name: Cam
Email: mmmmchocolat.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 05:00:43 PM
How was he in 'Chocolat'....."I'll come round and get that squeak out your door."
Name: Nors
Email: tralah@la.com
Country: Bahrain
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 04:51:12 PM
Oooooh, yep the Depster is the man!! Yum, savvy????
Name: Cam
Email: heyjude@donttakeitbad.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 04:42:36 PM
Dear Colin Firth fan, thanks for the laugh...but everyone knows Johnny Depp is the best!
Name: Nors
Email: takethesebrokenwings@andlearntofly.com
Country: Bahrain
Date: Sunday, 02 October 2005
Time: 04:38:09 PM
Mmmm, Colin Firth
Name: areyouthere
Email: mountains@alps
Country: Andorra
Date: Friday, 30 September 2005
Time: 09:09:07 AM
hello
Name: Karl Steven
Email: karlsteven@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 September 2005
Time: 01:00:49 AM
'Voice of Arbiter', Either you are not taking in what people write here in the forum or you are just making these crazy statements just to get a bite out of people! You seem to have missed that what 'Food for thought' was saying is: "voice your opinions, but don't put absolute BULLSHIT on this internet site. OK?" Practice what you preach.
Name: Voice of Arbiter
Email: dr-loox@haha.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 September 2005
Time: 05:20:50 PM
food for thought? "food for gossip!" would be more like it. voice your opinions, but don't put absolute BULLSHIT on this internet site.OK?
Name: Geoff Le Cren
Email: monoclub@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 September 2005
Time: 03:27:53 PM
Es dem tull, "yorlie really car do"! To say these kind of things without backing it up with facts and your name is the worst kind of malicious gossip our island has ever seen, shame shame, shame on those who perpetrate such lies in here or in the media. There is a huge difference in covering up for someone over a misdemeanor and murder. To equate the former with the latter is absolute ignorance. In my eyes you people are worse than the fabricated stories you spread about others.
Name: ANIMALS
Email: everywhere
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 September 2005
Time: 12:01:20 PM
Knock me over with a feather; I am obviously not an animal lover?? Because I disagree with black cows being on the raod?? You should be aware that throughout my life time I have had and still do in some cases cats, dogs, horses, birds and fish. Don't you (Big Animal Lover in your own rights) think cows would be safer in a paddock than on a road?? Black Cows on The Road; Thanks for your support Admin/Government - Hows the flourescent paint going or boots that the cows were meant to be wearing 20 years agoi going?? Dogs - As much as it is vulgar to say I witnessed two dogs not within 2 meters of myself trying to enjoy lunch trying to hump each other the other weekend. These dogs are in town every single day. I dine in town at least twice a week on the main road and quite commonly over hear tourists telling the strays to shoo in rather quite voices. The reason they voice this quietly is because they beleive the owner is sitting in the cafe as well. Little do they know that their owners are no where to be seen. Were begining to look like as little outback Aussie town with a feral dog problem. It's about time the owners received fines or something!!
Name:
Email: timaru@nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 22 September 2005
Time: 10:17:43 AM
Nice one 'food for thought'
Name: Food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 September 2005
Time: 09:45:56 AM
Either 'concernedx2' is not taking in what people write here in the forum or you are just making these crazy statements just to get a bite out of people! It sounds like you have too much time on your hands to always come up with little schemes! If you know so much, then why don't you come forward to the police?! After all, isn't that the point you're trying to make?
Name: No Secret
Email: @home.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 08:37:13 PM
"concernedx2...I know how the underground politics work over there???" You know nothing, it is obvious by the random finger pointing and general run of the mill blame everyone attitude. I know that if I had the key to the murder I would gladly give it free of charge to free this island of the great mound of BS that has been placed upon it. You still don't say why you lock your doors do you? I gather you are not from Norfolk Island are you? Think about it? If you know something that could solve this crime then give it to the proper authorities. They would love to hear from you. On a lighter note...One thing that you forget...we are a very small island...it is very hard to keep anything secret here...we seem to find out things about ourselves before it happens!!! :-)
Name:
Email: timaru@nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 07:48:15 PM
Bollocks! Most people on the island are reasonable, honest, intelligent people. If one was to come forward and "dob" on the criminal, I doubt they would be ostrasized for doing the right thing, most would be relieved and grateful that someone had the inner fortitude and courage to speak up about an injustice, especially because of the small close knit community that it is. You don't give them enough credit.
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybiz@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 07:12:41 PM
I know the culprits will be caught, but I don't think there will be any re-joicing from the islanders. $300,000 won't help if you are forced to leave your home, badgered out for stabbing your mates in the back and/or putting a family to shame. I know how the underground politics work over there, I also know that certain young members of the island have information that could solve the murder. However; there is no greater weapon than fear of ones peers.
Name: Black Cows on The Road
Email: nottelling@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 05:13:08 PM
It is about time that black cows are no longer permitted pasturage rights. Opinion is in a legal court our government may be liable if they issue a pasturage permit that allows black cows on the road. The government is the body which allows this danger to motorists on our streets. If you have a black cow, sell it to someone that has land to run it on. The last thing we need is the government having to fork out more money in legal fees, especially as they would probably lose the case. I say to the government, change your policy now and stop allowing black cows pasturage rights on the roads. It is simple to fix, if you happen to have a black calf it does not get permission to roam our roads. Lets face it is really only one cattle owner that has specialised in black cows on the road anyway.
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: you_know_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 02:25:39 PM
Thank you to our dear friends Paul & Monica of Linden Virginia for your ever positive and most welcome comments on Norfolk Island. Thanks also to Janice for her input. It is a pity more people don't follow in your footsteps.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 01:08:41 PM
Here here, Janice! I first arrived here years ago when I was attempting to check the football score of my beloved New England Patriots at http://www.nfl.com however my clumsey fingers hit the ENTER button at http://www.nf and here I remain! Two murders in 150 years...sounds like paradise to me! Also, I have met a few of my best friends here...damn gude sullen! We do not subscribe to this 'hidden underworld' point of view either. Norfolk Island rocks! Paul en Monica
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 12:33:04 PM
Hi, was just wanting to know what the ex NJE staff are up to now that its a few months down the track? As for the Alliance crew who are no longer: Natalie is finishing her teaching degree and is starting teaching. Angela has dissappeared to France last I heard. Moira is working at a Bank. Doon is working in recruitment, and has been in a relationship with Yardie (QQ captain) (both very happy). I just moved to melbourne to start as a Cabin Manager with a new business class airline Ozjet. Hope alls well.
Name: No Secret
Email: @home.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 11:58:46 AM
Come on concernedx2 do you beleive everything that the papers say or all the romours!If you do you are easily lead! There is a bounty of $300,000.00 up for grabs don't you think someone would be tempted? Look as far as I am concerned we would give the information for free just to free ourselves from the constant slander and innuendo's and bad publicity anyone wants to dig up! Before you start pointing fingers and making assumptions look in your own back yard and ask yourself why you lock your doors. The great percentage here still leave ours doors open. It is with thanks to persons like janice.raycroft that we are still able to hold our heads high and get through the rubbish that has been plastered upon us by persons who just do not have a clue what they are saying! Thank you Janice for your welcomed comments and understanding. Let the detectives do their job, I am certain that the person or persons who committed the crime will be caught, their days are numbered. WE will all celebrate the day the offender is put away!
Name: No Secret
Email: @home.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 11:58:08 AM
Come on concernedx2 do you beleive everything that the papers say or all the romours!If you do you are easily lead! There is a bounty of $30,000.00 up for grabs don't you think someone would be tempted? Look as far as I am concerned we would give the information for free just to free ourselves from the constant slander and innuendo's and bad publicity anyone wants to dig up! Before you start pointing fingers and making assumptions look in your own back yard and ask yourself why you lock your doors. The great percentage here still leave ours doors open. It is with thanks to persons like janice.raycroft that we are still able to hold our heads high and get through the rubbish that has been plastered upon us by persons who just do not have a clue what they are saying! Thank you Janice for your welcomed comments and understanding. Let the detectives do their job, I am certain that the person or persons who committed the crime will be caught, their days are numbered. WE will all celebrate the day the offender is put away!
Name: load of rot
Email: getoverit@berealistic
Country: Angola
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 08:35:18 AM
Common guys seriously. Why is it such a hard ask to realise that no matter where you go no matter what you do there are bad apples everywhere. You cannot get away from humans anywhere in this world. So wether it be Norfolk, Australia, nz wherever the hell you want to live it makes no difference you will have murderers, padeophiles, rapists and just plain idiots. Next topic please I am sick of coming in here and reading about which rumour or who did this. These things happen unfortunately and no matter where you go in the world this is the case. So get over it and move on.
Name: jan
Email: janice.raycroft@btinternet.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 05:37:54 AM
Just to let you know that not everyone in the world is put off by the supposed 'bad publicity' floating round the internet about beautiful Norfolk Island and its people. Everywhere has it's highs and lows and it takes resilient people to sustain one of this planet's smaller communities. So good on you lot. About two years ago I was doing a Google search for a place in Norfolk UK and accidentally went to a Norfolk Island site. It was clearly a stunning place ..... but so far away!!! Since then I've been a virtual tourist about once a month or so, still wishing to visit in person. My work takes me into London most days. Trust me, when the weather is awful, the motorway unbearable and constant traffic/ aircraft noise head-splitting (let alone the pollution) a quick internet trip to NI usually does the trick. This year I become an old lady of 50 ha ha, so am building a list of must do's before ..... Anyway one day I hope to replace those virtual trips with a visit in person (via Aus I guess). In the meantime, good luck to you all.
Name: concerned3
Email: demnorlarnen@au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2005
Time: 12:14:37 AM
In response to concerned2 If you have read transcripts of a recent high profile case dealing with the male inhabitants of Pitcairn Island and their sexual abuse of minors does it not tell you that there exists a rule of secrecy both there and on Norfolk Island in those matters. No one tells what goes on or if they do there will be pay back. It is the way it is and has been since the Pitcairners arrived all those years ago. The island has its secrets many are known but no one will break that code of silence families fear other family networks so will not tell all to anyone. dem nor gwen tull.
Name: concernedx2
Email: noneofyourbiz.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 September 2005
Time: 08:14:58 PM
Just heard that the rumour about a NZ gentleman being investigated over Janelle's death is just that; a rumour. Sounds like another attempt at trying to shift the spotlight off the locals as potentials. Also, whats this I hear about a "secret society" on the island? Also about new girls being tied up, sexually assaulted, urinated on and left for their families to clean up the mess? Does no-one complain to the authorities over there, or is the fear of being ostracised to great??
Name: Knock me over with a feather
Email: sicawet@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 September 2005
Time: 08:12:17 PM
Obviously "ANIMAL" your not an animal lover. At 50km/h black cow or not, surely you have enough sense to realise, Norfolk is Norfolk, if you don't want cows (whatever the colour) on the road, maybe you should be looking at a relocation.... In a nut shell, 'like et or lump et!'
Name: ANIMALS
Email: everywhere
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 September 2005
Time: 03:45:44 PM
I'm not sure about anyone else but hows the feeling about the black cows that have done nothing for Norfolk but made a certain owner a little richer over the years through loss of life??? And how about the dogs in town these days?? Where are their owners?? Why is it that high risk dogs are not aloud out of their home surroundings but we can have the "Lab Family" and friends through town every single day drooling whilst we try to enjoy a nice lunch??? If the owners can't keep them at home then give them to a nice family who actually want to spend time with their canine companions. I for one are SICK TO DEATH of them.... Anyone else??
Name: Consider
Email: consider@this
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 September 2005
Time: 02:29:24 PM
“Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” (Ephesians 4:29)
Name: Just Noticed
Email: talk@au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 September 2005
Time: 11:05:52 AM
FREEDOM OF SPEECH .... I DON'T THINK SO! Perhaps the topic of pretend titles has hit a nerve?
Name: Ho Hum
Email: @hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 September 2005
Time: 08:58:32 PM
What a great read... Amazing what comes up when someone is googled....
Name: also concerned
Email: ett@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 17 September 2005
Time: 07:21:16 PM
To the person who responsible for the previous entry in this forum. If you know something of this nature wouldn't it be for the island's interest, if you would give what information you have to the NI police or to the Federal Police in Australia, so that they can make the necessary checks on this individual who apparently is working on the island. I don't believe enough checking is being done of folk who come there to work and also those who immigrate on a permanent basis. If there appears to be a predator of young girls residing there at the moment - perhaps the police whould get cracking on background checks before something serious happens.
Name: concerned
Email: downways@net.org
Country: Canada
Date: Saturday, 17 September 2005
Time: 03:40:42 PM
Please be very carefull with your immigration-i have heard of one pacific island immigrant employed @ a major hotel there on the island who has a thing for very young girls and I mean very young----be carefull please.
Name: Gabe
Email: gabe_nf@yahoo.co.uk
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 17 September 2005
Time: 12:16:09 PM
Hey yorley, I've just found a great forum and support group for diabetics that I thought some on the island may be interested in. Just go to www.hypostasis.com.au I've also just changed over to an insulin pump from daily injections which needless to say is so much better! If anyone is interested or has any questions bout this feel free to email me or write via this forum. Hope evryone is well and if you see my family or my crazy beautiful little nephew Brancker in the street please say hello from me!
Name: Brian Davis
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 September 2005
Time: 06:13:06 PM
Can anyone tell me of the existance of a very old cemetery located one the shoreline of Emily Bay? Also is there a listing of persons who were buried in this cemetery?
Name: hovering
Email: upthere.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 September 2005
Time: 01:00:21 PM
N.I. Brud you have just made my day .... Laughter and humour really is good for the soul.
Name: silly goose
Email: ithurts@ouch.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 September 2005
Time: 09:42:25 AM
Just to throw some funny things in here, while I was dancing on the dance floor some silly woman knocked me over and I broke my left arm. PLEASE NOTE look out fe dem maad sullen caa watawaay fe dance, dem es fraedy. lol. yorli howe wun beautiful norfuk daay
Name: Liam Lu
Email: forum@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 11:20:09 PM
Okay, throw a few topics into debate and you will be find many willing to put in constructive comment. First of all what is going on with Admin these days? What's happening on Norfolk Island that may interest others who look in this Forum. How is the tourist industry these days since the downfall of Norfolk Jet? Is it still a worthwhile destination or overpriced and out of reach for many? Give us some interesting topics and we'll join in and debate.
Name: N.I.BRUD
Email: LIGHTER
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 10:18:12 PM
It was only a matter of time before turds, chocolate,GOD, Google earth and HI HI PIE came to this place at the same time! Its all up from here.
Name: HiHi Pie
Email: Hihi@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 07:36:56 PM
Make a white sauce and include onions and wors. sauce, make it prefably thicker than usual. Then add atleast a cup of HiHi, and a bit of parsley. allow mixture to cool and place into pastry in a pie dish. Cook until pastry is golden.
Name:
Email: 2899
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 07:17:37 PM
'an observer', you obviously can't tell the difference between turd & fine chocolat either
Name: Fresh Comment
Email: somethingofabrighernote@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 03:24:55 PM
“ And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. ”(1 John 4:16)
Name: big brother
Email: somethingdifferent
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 03:14:54 PM
OK enuff of the Patton case, everything on here is all only purely speculation and as someone else mentioned we will have to wait awhile yet for the real and true facts to emerge from all the investigations. Meanwhile just to inject a fresh comment in here..what do you think about the new google earth site which enables a user to zoom in on a satelite image of you own or someone elses backyard anywhere in the world!? The images are not presented in real time but stillit makes one wonder if this is what the ordinary layman can view....what is the military truely capable of now? and are we supposed to feel any safer?Especially in these days since sept 11th!! Interested to hear some other views on this.
Name: No Progress on Murder
Email: noprogress@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 12:15:19 PM
We have now had 22 visits by the investigating police on the murder. I ask you what has the progress been on this. The airfare component alone is in excess of $40,00, before you add travel allowance, car hire, accommodation etc. If you can help the police in any way solve this, do so, so that the cost of the investigation is justified and the culprit or culprits are caught.
Name: An Observer
Email: pex@gmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 15 September 2005
Time: 07:20:46 AM
At least what true Blue Islander is saying is constructive, it makes sense and is factual so to you with 2899 email...........get back under your rock!!
Name: Karlee
Email: kp@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 September 2005
Time: 05:50:56 PM
Hi guys can anyone tell how the make a hi hi pie, tasted it when I visited Norfolk many years ago but didn't get the recipe.
Name:
Email: 2899
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 14 September 2005
Time: 03:28:43 PM
TBI you're making an awful lot of sound
Name: Food for thought..
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 September 2005
Time: 12:04:20 PM
In response to Natalie's comment, it doesn't matter whether Norfolk has a couple of thousand people and Australia has millions of people living there or vice versa, the matter of the fact is, is that people in Australia commit heinous crimes daily! And as soon as something happens on small Norfolk Island the media just smother Norfolk and make a big deal of it as well as having people point the finger and talking us down! In Australia we have murders that happen daily! Why when something happens on Norfolk we go through the 3rd degree? As I have said before, you all forget that crimes happen daily over here! So my question is, why are people talking Norfolk down and make it sound like a bad place to be? Whereas you're just as equally unsafe, if not more, when in Australia! I am not trying to justify the crime. What happened was awful. So in the meantime, instead of mouthing off and talking Norfolk down, just remember that these type of crimes also happen in your backyard as well. So nobody can really point a finger! Just let the police do their job to find the perpetrator/s instead of trying to be detectives yourselves or think you know it all by trying to solve it yourself, or by pointing the finger.
Name: Igwenlarn
Email: truth@learning
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 September 2005
Time: 12:32:17 AM
Norfolk is a beautiful island but exploited by the greedy and those who thrive on power. Lets just say the chickens are coming home to roost and ruining your little place of paradise. The old Norfolk Islanders must be turning in their graves to see the way their beloved Norfolk has turned out in recent years. The wisdom of those who have gone is cherished by all who knew them and loved them. You that are left heed the warning your island is sinking in the shame of recent events. Those who protected the one responsible for Janelle Patton's death or took part in the actual killing and removal from site to site of her body have blood on their hands. God will judge as he knows the truth.
Name: True Blue Islander
Email: right_here_on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 09:39:15 PM
Helllooooooooooooooooooo Natalie.........what channel or planet are you on???? Your comment proves you are not in our paradise so why pretend to be??????? Please read my previous submission. Cheers.
Name: True Blue Islander
Email: right_here_on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 09:32:29 PM
Here on our little paradise in the pacific - are heaps of other pressing issues going on right now and all the bitching going on here [murder, drugs and other personalities] is not helping anyone. WE ALL want the murder and the dickhead or dickheads thrown away forever as they do not deserve to live. We all know this. The perpetrators are nothing but animals and DO NOT BELONG in any society. An eye for an eye is the only way to stop murders in this world but the unfair fact is we will never see justice for something like this. A stint in gaol does not bring a person back. This forum along with the Tim Latham book and the Woman's Day book is doing absolutely NOTHING in helping heal all the wounds that we and this delicate island are facing and yes - all other countries in this world face multiple murders and other inhumane acts EVERY SINGLE DAY and ALL DAY but we are blackened by our 2 incidents. So let's get on with it [life] and leave the cops to do the best they can as all this crap on here as well as the other media hype is doing more damage than good. Let’s not STOOP to the lower standards of those who come on here and splatter rhetoric and profess to be the almighty wonders of this rock. It is a real worry that there appears to be some who are "OBSESSED" by the murder. Get a grip yorlye - it really isn't normal. Remember the old saying ‘empty vessels make the most sound’
Name: natalie
Email: na@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 09:27:47 PM
Has anyone been arrested????? When that happens everyone will know who it is. Until then, it's just guess work and not necessarily very accurate on this forum, one way or the other. By the way it's pointless talking about what happens in Australia. There are almost 20 million people of all nationalities and backgrounds in Australia, there is somewhere between one and two thousand people living on Norfolk Island. Impossible to compare the two.
Name: Dredd Scott
Email: .
Country: Western Sahara
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 09:12:20 PM
If Tony O'Reilly's Dublin-based Independent News & Media's Australian subsidiary (ie.APN News and Media Limited's NZ Herald) can sniff out this vital breaking news concerning the Patton case (viz. http://tinyurl.com/7kroo then WHY the deafening silence from Freddy Hilmer's Sydney-based FairfaxDigitalMedia???
Name: ?
Email: 0
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 08:45:02 PM
Remember this, Senator Lightfoot? Latest News: 27/06/2004 12:19:33 | ABC Radio Australia News Norfolk Islanders said to know killer The chairman of the parliamentary committee that oversees Australia's Pacific territory, Norfolk Island [ie. LIGHTFOOT, Philip Ross, KSJ, JP Senator for Western Australia ] says locals and police know who murdered Janelle Patton. The body of the 29-year-old was found two years ago and, despite a recent inquest, the case remains unsolved. Senator Ross Lightfoot says evidence points to a male offender who lives on the island... and a policeman has told him he knows the killer's identity. He says, "No question they know, it's very, very hard to pentrate that husk of silence that surrounds Norfolk Islanders when they want to protect their own". 27/06/2004 12:19:33 | ABC Radio Australia News
Name: me
Email: contactme@home.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 05:59:57 PM
to-Curiious willy You idiot
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 04:56:09 PM
And THAT is the true Norfolk spirit!!!!!!!! 'Seriously' and 'Food for thought' I agree with you 100%...
Name: food for thought..
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 04:39:41 PM
Well said 'Seriously'!Who are all you to blame Norfolk Islanders? Who are you to be so sure to blame an Islander? Sure the murder happened on Norfolk Island, sure it could have been committed by an islander!It could have been committed by anyone as a matter of fact!You're all attacking Norfolk because it is a small, close-nit community situated on a beautiful Island and if one person steps out of line, you never hear the end of it!You all forget that just as equally henous crimes happen over here in Australia!And it just doesn't happen every 50 years, it happens everyday here in the mainland.So as I have said before in my previous comment, that nobody can point the finger!We all want the police to find out who committed this crime whether it be an islander or not. We still want answers.And the way people are carrying on here in the forum isn't going to do any good.What are you trying to prove? Just let the police do their investigations and the truth will be revealed in it's own good time.Sure everyone wants to see justice, but the way some are mouthing off here, I just shake my head.
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 04:29:53 PM
I have been reading through all the entries and I find it funny that while reading all this negativity, I am still sitting here in my office in Sydney, dreaming of being on Norfolk - and it's all because of the fantastic family and friends I have there (which is close to the whole population!). No matter how hard you try and rip paradise apart - Norfolk will not and NEVER fold. Every harsh word you say is only making us stronger. Whether you think were all a bunch of murderers, druggo's or whatever childish pathetic name you come up with next - just remember Norfolk Islanders are strong people and words like this don't and never will scare us. To all those Australians and New Zealanders who are contributing their opinion - thanks, but really ONCE AGAIN have a look in your own back yard.... And then ask yourself "do I have the right to bag this Island when this is happening everyday in my country". If the answer is "No, I don't" then I thank you for taking the time to be give us a chance. To those who answered "Yes, I do"... well, maybe you need to get off your high horse and take a walk around with your eyes WIDE open!!! But be careful - what you see might scare you.
Name: Seriously
Email: SomeCommentsmakeyoumad
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 04:10:20 PM
If your brother/sister/aunt/uncle etc etc murdered someone and you knew of it would you be forthcoming?? Secrecy happens everywhere in the world. Do not condem US! It is not OUR fault that the murderer has not been found - it is not OUR fault that their is not enough evidence to convict someone!! It's amazing that just because we are a small community that we HAVE to be hiding information from the investigators... Do you really think that every single one of us goes to sleep everynight and never has the thought cross our mind that maybe they are still here?? That someone that commited such a henous offence could be still living in our midst? Knowing what he/she/they did to Janelle can really only be caused from an unstable being and that the possibility of it happening again is high (if they still reside here)???? I for one wish that I knew who did the murder and had evidence to convict them. No - not for the reward money but so that I could once again go back to bed each and every night in OUR paradise that we so openly share with OUR visitors and not have to worry that maybe the sick minded individual is not still out there. So that we can have our partners go on holiday and so we feel safe to stay at home all by ourselves without having nightmares and having to leave our TV's all night to wake up and turn them off in the morning. Maybe someone here does know something. Let me tell you one thing though. I know nothing and neither do any of my close friends which consists of about half of our community here on Norfolk. We want this murder solved just as much as Janelle's family. If myself or my friends had information we would give it!
Name: Curious Willy
Email: willtell@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 03:48:50 PM
Could it be that locals are keeping quiet re the murder investigation because the NZ chef the current suspect has Norfolk Island family connections? No wonder everyone is silent.
Name: ?
Email: _
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 02:52:00 PM
so much for 'coppers hunch' "Neither the property nor the cars had been searched in 2002 and none was connected to 16 persons of interest initially named by police."
Name: ?
Email: _
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 02:47:51 PM
why has it taken THREE YEARS for this particular person to emerge as a "person of interest" to the AFP? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 'Cunning' chef is murder suspect 11.09.05 By Kirsty Wynn Norfolk Islanders are closing ranks on the identity of a New Zealand man being investigated for a murder on the island three years ago - fearing it will harm the police investigation. Locals who knew the New Plymouth chef will not name him but neighbours have described him as "cunning" and a "sweet talker". The man has emerged as a prime suspect in the murder of 29-year-old Sydney waitress Janelle Patton on the island three years ago. Her stabbed and bruised body was discovered, wrapped in black plastic, in a reserve at Easter 2002. She suffered 64 injuries, including a skull fracture, broken pelvis, broken ankle and multiple stab wounds. The Herald on Sunday understands two Australian Federal Police officers flew to New Zealand last week to question the man, understood to be a 31-year-old chef. But police will not comment further. The man had been on the island for two years on a temporary entry permit and left six weeks after Janelle's murder. He worked at several bars and restaurants, including an eight-month stint at trendy garden centre Cafe Pacifica. Interest in the New Zealander was sparked after police searched two cars on the island late last year. Two white hatchbacks were dismantled and several hundred swabs and samples were sent to Canberra for forensic tests. Police then turned their attention to the flat believed to have been tenanted to the man. The new tenant was moved out as police scientists searched the house. Neither the property nor the cars had been searched in 2002 and none was connected to 16 persons of interest initially named by police. Ms Patton's parents suspect more than one person had a hand in her murder or the dumping of her body. - HERALD ON SUNDAY
Name: Media Person
Email: tvnews.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 02:28:31 PM
Sorry about that…..here is the link http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10345017
Name: Media Person
Email: tvnews.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 02:24:24 PM
Hello there concernedx2 and all other concerned on here. Perhaps you don't read the newspapers and the ones from your country........NZ. Have a look at the following. I hope it all makes sense to you. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10345017
Name: concernedx2
Email: noneofyourbiz.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2005
Time: 07:02:35 AM
I think that the question should be: "why are not the police arresting and charging these people?" My understanding is that a jail conviction would be to expensive for the island to maintain. But lets get back to the subject, an islander COULD HAVE committed the murder, and it is more likely that it was. Dumping the body in cockpit only made it look like it was a tourist. Also the fact that possibly a rental car used only cements it in my mind. This henous crime was VERY well organised. It is to coincidental that her parents just happened to be on the island at the time.
Name: concerned3
Email: overseas@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 12 September 2005
Time: 09:55:29 PM
Can someone enlighten me how marijuana (in seed form) has arrived on Norfolk island in the first place. Some folk must have smuggled the seed in from either Australia or New Zealand or it has arrived in cargo shipped to the island. Or perhaps in envolopes through the Post. Does this suggest that the local authorities are not doing their job (Customs)(Agricultural Inspectors) and various others? There should be a screening service put into place at your airport customs and check in areas. Obviously other hard drugs are also available on the island so there must be very slack checking at the airport. We know what has gone on at Sydney International Airport in drug trafficing etc. Why wouldn't there be corruption in that area of your Airport and Shipping areas.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 12 September 2005
Time: 08:17:03 PM
yea well we hope the "good people of the island have enough sense" to stop growing drugs altogether. Due to the ill-effects of using it, such as lung irritation that increases the likelihood of developing lung cancer, lowering of sperm count, impaired memory, paranoia, impaired judgement, etc, etc, it won't be long before these "good people of the island" become a burden to the already struggling finances and healthcare system of Norfolk. True drug use is everywhere but to say " it lacks the harmful qualities of the current generation of "designer weed" is crap. It has been shown to have negative effects on people, it's been made illegal because of this and other reasons, so stop trying to justify it.
Name: concernedx2
Email: noneofyourbiz.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 12 September 2005
Time: 03:31:25 PM
the report last night dealt with the hydroponic stuff that is being cloned these days. The good people of the island have enough sense to grow "bush" crops(grown from seed and in the ground). Might take a little longer to grow,and is not as potent(3% - 6% THC as opposed to 30% THC) but it lacks the harmful qualities of the current generation of "designer weed"!
Name: worried
Email: why.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 12 September 2005
Time: 11:51:12 AM
Maybe the last entry should have waited until they watched 60 minutes last night.. Scary stuff re the dope segment
Name: concernedx2
Email: noneofyourbiz.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 11 September 2005
Time: 06:56:25 AM
To all who say that "an islander did'nt commit the murder, nor could an islander commit one"; what of Lieth Buffet??? On the other hand, just cause many enjoy the freedom to smoke a bit of weed, does not make them a drug addict. There are other causes that lead to murder, and a criminal profile would NOT substantiate cannabis use as a likely propigator. When will people get off thier high horse and realise that smoking is less harmfull than alcahol. Think about it and do your research b4 you point the finger.
Name: Kjel Buffett
Email: kjel@dodo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 September 2005
Time: 09:57:26 PM
Well said true blue islander, well said. And on much brighter note congratulations to my brother Kim Buffett and his wife Liz, who gave birth to a beautiful baby buffett on fathers day at the Norfolk Island Hospital, you cant beat a true blue islander, simple fact.
Name: A bit of food for thought...
Email: trying2befair@net
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 September 2005
Time: 03:04:04 PM
Norfolk Island is still a lovely place to be! Yeah, sure it's not perfect, but that's not to say there still aren't nice Islanders on the Island. Sure the Youth get into trouble. And that is something the Government needs to try and work towards and try and put in place or implement rules, incentives or a program to minimise such activities. It's the same with Australia. You get the usual hoodlums that get into trouble as well. So it's not only just small Norfolk Island. We could say the same thing about Australia - Take a hard look at what has come of such a lovely place and from all the crime that has taken place within Australia from it's own people! Nobody can point a finger. No matter what you say about this topic, you won't be able to please everyone. So why don't you just let the police do their job rather then pointing fingers at one another. Eventually the truth will be revealed in time. As the saying goes, "Never assume because it makes an Ass out of U and Me"! Besides, why are people condemning Norfolk after this event?! Do you forget that these crimes happen nearly 'everyday' over here in Australia? Norfolk es still one beautiful side fe be. Es true, we car beat et! Why don't we try and get on with one another and act civilised? You'd be surprised as to how much the quality of your everyday living would improve! And lastly, here is more food for thought that we can think about "Are you angry about something that your anger won't change?"
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 September 2005
Time: 01:59:11 PM
For gods sake - stop with all this crap and start talking intellectually. Norfolk has problems just like every other place in the world. There's not one place on earth that you can call completely crime free. And really, STOP making us Norfolk Islanders out to be drug addicts/dealers, alcoholics and really bad people - because OBVIOUSLY you haven't been there and experienced TRUE Norfolk Islanders - people I would trust my life with. So get off you bloody band wagon and take a long hard look at you and YOUR home town.
Name: Dredd Scott
Email: .
Country: Western Sahara
Date: Tuesday, 06 September 2005
Time: 06:40:15 PM
Thanx 'Private Eye' (aka.Frederick G. Hilmer) ...hope you like egg; cos it'll not only be all over your face, but oozing out your patootie by the time this case is wrapped.
Name: I B Lander
Email: copitsweet@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 06 September 2005
Time: 06:33:44 PM
You say a Norfolk Islander would not do such a thing. What if that person or persons were on a drugs or steriods and just snapped? Had no intention of taking a life but things just got out of hand due to the influence of drugs and perhaps a combination of drugs and alcohol.This sort of thing happens on the mainland why wouldn't it happen there on NI under the same circumstances. Drug addicts lose control and become agressive. Yes it is widely known that there are people on Norfolk who are on drugs and some that deal in drugs.Take a hard look at what has come of such a lovely island and of Norfolk's youth that get themselves involved in the drug scene. It has to take a toll on your community. With drugs comes crimes theft and lawlessness.
Name: True Blue Islander
Email: proud_ofit.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 06 September 2005
Time: 07:14:40 AM
Thanks for your input Private Eye. There is no need for any of us Islanders to feel at ease. None of us did the crime - do you know why?????? because none of us would be so F****** stupid to just dump a body in a reserve when we know of so many other places i.e. a cliff to throw someone or something over it. Besides - Cockpit used to be [underlined and bold] a nice family picnic area but thanks to the dickheads who did kill Janelle have [like many other people] ruined that for us here on Norfolk. Despite what you and others may think – ISLANDERS are caring and loving people and would not purposely go out to kill someone. It has never been done before, so why start now???? Lastly - please do not get confused with LOCALS and ISLANDERS. There is a HUGE difference. LOCALS are people who have moved here over the years and made Norfolk their home - ISLANDERS are people born and bred here on Norfolk Island and many have lived here since or returned after living off-shore. You wait and see Private Eye [and all the other ignoramuses around] time will tell and prove that the horrific crime was not done by an ISLANDER. A great deal of people will need to hang their heads in shame when the truth comes out and let's hope the apologies will flow in..........but none of us will hold our breaths waiting.
Name: Private Eye
Email: oneeye@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 05 September 2005
Time: 05:42:22 PM
Just because investigations are being conducted with regards to a New Zealand Citizen does not mean that person is quilty of the crime, charges must be laid and proven in a court of law. Even though Norfolk Islanders must be feeling a little at ease with this latest information, others had to be involved with the disposal of the body in the black plastic and the one that finally admits to the murder (if that were to take place) may blow the whistle on who ever gave aid in the crime and the coverup afterwards. It will all be uncovered in due course and locals are not off the hook just yet so don't be too sure it was not one of you.
Name: True Blue Islander
Email: proud_ofit.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 05 September 2005
Time: 07:31:49 AM
This is for all you "would be experts and detectives" who said a "local or islander" did the murder. Watch out for karma!!!!! It does come back and bite one in the butt. NZ lead in island murder mystery Trudy Harris 03sep05 A THREE-YEAR investigation into Norfolk Island's first murder has moved offshore to a New Zealand hospitality worker who left the former penal colony some months after the gruesome stabbing of Janelle Patton. The Australian Federal Police is investigating the hospitality worker, described by locals as a loner, who spent less than two years on the island and did not know the 29-year-old woman from Sydney socially. Patton was discovered in a reserve on the island wrapped in black plastic on Easter Sunday 2002. She had apparently tried to fight off her attacker who inflicted 64 separate injuries, most during a stabbing frenzy. The island's residents, many descendants of the Bounty mutineers, were adamant no locals could have committed such a crime. A coronial inquest two years later named 16 persons of interest, including several former lovers and friends of Patton who she had fallen out with on the island. The AFP investigation is now also looking at the hospitality worker, who is not among the 16 persons named. They have taken forensic samples from two cars dumped on the island and a property near the road where Patton disappeared. They are awaiting some of the results of those tests. The new lead in the investigation is revealed in a book released this month about Patton's death. The book's author, Tim Latham, has refused to reveal the identity of the hospitality worker, who was one of many itinerant workers on a temporary entry permit, for fear of harming the AFP investigation, among other reasons. The book says the AFP's testing of the cars and property is not linked to the 16 persons of interest. The AFP declined yesterday to comment on any aspect of its investigation because it was still being conducted. Patton's parents Ron and Carol said they were confident AFP investigators, led by Detective-Sergeant Bob Peters, would make a breakthrough. "We have always supported the police with their investigation and they are following leads that we hope will lead to a positive result," Mr Patton said. "We have a sense of anger to the murderer or murderers and also anger that maybe somebody has given those responsible support instead of coming forward to police." Mr Patton has worked hard to keep the public aware of his daughter's murder in case it prompted someone to come forward with fresh information. He has sent about 400 emails to different media outlets about her death. The retired teacher from Sydney's northwestern suburbs said he thought about her every day. He said the fact no one had been arrested after more than three years had taken its toll on his family. "We have not been able to live normal lives and look forward to the future. But for 3 1/2 years they (the killer or killers) have been allowed to get on with their lives as normal without suffering the justice that is due to them," he said. "So many people say that you need closure, and while an arrest and conviction of the murderer or murderers will do that, we will never have full closure, because Janelle is not here with us."
Name: tourist
Email: s.cbell@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 30 August 2005
Time: 07:28:37 AM
Hi Andi, We have been taking a group to Norfolk every year since 1989. It is the most idelic place to visit.You can be as busy as you like or have a very lazy time.The locals are all so friendly and we have made some awesome friends on the island. We also do not fit into the category of newly wed or nearly dead.Go ahead and plan a long break on the paradise isle of the pacific
Name: Voice of Arbiter
Email: dr-loox@haha.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 August 2005
Time: 09:00:01 PM
1) Elicit and dangerous drugs are on the island and alwasy have been. To think otherwise you would have to be completly ignorant. 2) nottelling- customs workers may be lazy by most peoples OPINIONS. But to be honest, what's it to ya even if it is umbrellas. Mard ippy tells the truth, a sniffer dog was proposed but then put into the "to hard" box, allong with getting off your arses to doing something about it, "ask and ye shall recieve". 3) Whats happening with QANTAS, and what travel agreements have been proposed. is it going to continue? or will we have to relly on an "alternate" route via New Zealand or something?
Name: Peter Shaw
Email: bookwormsnz@yahoo.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Saturday, 27 August 2005
Time: 11:10:55 AM
Hello I would like to make contact with the owner of the Auto Service Station(s) on Norfolk. I believe that someone there may be able to help me locate some very rare Honda car parts. Email addreses or phone numbers would be much appreciated. Thank you.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 25 August 2005
Time: 02:12:37 PM
Hiya Andi, Let me assure you that Norfolk is a wonderful destination . Go ahead with your holiday and have a great time. I have loved Norfolk since I first set eyes on her 32 years ago and it is a very special place. Even paradise isn't perfect but this is as close as you can get. Issues are discussed on forum that may worry some but discussion is good as people can put their opinion foward without fear or favour. Go ahead and book your holiday and come back to Forum and tell us all how much you enjoyed it
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 August 2005
Time: 01:20:22 PM
Andi - Norfolk is a wonderful place for any type of holiday. Yes, there are minor issues on Norfolk - but compared to many other places (including New Zealand and Australia)these issues wouldn't even be looked at as 'issues' in the real world. The reason we are all so vocal on the forum is because people care so much about the Island and want whats best for it. Norfolk island is beautiful, fascinating and one of the most romantixc destinations in the world. Where else would you be able to sit on a clifftop watching the sunset and be the only ones there? Please - don't disregard Norfolk as a destination because of the entries on the forum - that would be silly. I guarantee your anniversary on Norfolk will surprise you in so many ways. If you want more information on Norfolk as a holiday destination go to www.norfolkisland.com.au . This is the Norfolk Island Tourism site. Good luck and once again - give Norfolk a go - it's like any destination or person - it has some scratches - but 99% of it's fantastic. You'll love it just like I do.
Name: Andi
Email: no1bota@hotmail.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 25 August 2005
Time: 09:17:23 AM
Hello, I have just come onto the net to look up some more info on your island. I only got a small amount of info from the travel agent. Somehow I have arrived at your forum. I must say that I am not sure if visiting the island for our wedding anniversary,is such a great idea, after reading many of the forums. We were considering choosing Norfolk Island as we enjoy many outdoor activities, but things certainly dont sound that rosey over there. Can someone tell me any thing different???
Name: meeeeeeeee
Email: hereeeeeeeeeee
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 August 2005
Time: 01:23:44 PM
http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,16349685%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html
Name: cascade
Email: cascade
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 August 2005
Time: 12:47:41 PM
Could this happen here?.See: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1444549.htm Foreigners getting rich from Vanuatu land: Minister Vanuatu's Minister for Lands is introducing new policies, saying too many foreigners are getting rich by selling agricultural land for residential projects. The Minister, Willie Jimmy, says too much of Vanuatu's agricultural land is being sub-divided and the plots sold for the building of houses. "I think there's been a lot of speculation and a lot of abuse in the use and management of land, especially agricultural leased land, in the Republic of Vanuatu for speculation purposes," Mr Jimmy said. Mr Jimmy says foreign investors are buying up agricultural leases but he alleges they are taking much more money out of Vanuatu than they are bringing in. "Sometimes they use it for buying properties in Australia or abroad. And that, to me, is not acceptable," he said
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 22 August 2005
Time: 12:09:46 PM
There was talk of getting a sniffer dog in when I was on the Island over a year ago - did this get put into the 'too hard basket' with every other sensible idea? I believe a sniffer dog is better than any man made machine! I am aware that they cost a lot to train etc, but at least this 'method of protection' won't be limited to sitting in one place - it can actually be moved not just around the airport, but be on hand when ships are unloading, at the Post Office etc... 'Pot' is a problem on the Island - but unfortunately I have to agree with other entrants on the forum - hard drugs are on the Island and your vague if you don't think they are. By getting a sniffer dog you would be wiping out any chance of these scary drugs actually making it onto the Island and if someone tried you'd be able to catch them! Lets just hope that when the person is caught they are punished accordingly - none of this pathetic 'good behaviour' time or just fining them - lock them up where they belong! Just look at what Indonesia does to drug traffickers!
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 21 August 2005
Time: 07:53:11 PM
carwaar - then whats in the big box in the back of customs? umbrellas?
Name: Carwaar
Email: car@waar.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 20 August 2005
Time: 08:01:11 PM
Re-nottelling The X-ray machine that you are refering to, is not in "Customs" as you say, but is in fact on the opposite side of the airport terminal ,behind the check-in counters. This is so they can scan out going luggage for bombs etc. It was never intended to be used to look for drugs. Customs, I believe do have an Ion scanner which is used to detect traces of drugs, by taking a swab and passing it through the machine. This is supposed to determine the type of drug and lead to a more thorough search of the culprit. But I am yet to hear of anyone getting busted. Maybe you should get your facts straight before coming onto the forum and spouting off about things you obviously know nothing about.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 20 August 2005
Time: 07:25:54 PM
this link makes for interesting reading http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/norfolkgovpart2/subs/sub012.pdf
Name: BOD
Email: BOD@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 19 August 2005
Time: 04:13:34 PM
Can we please get off the issue of whether powers that be decide whether drugs are illegal or not as this seems quite arbitrary to me. On the whole, a lot more people are damaged on this island by the so called "legal" drugs than are by the "illegal" drugs people are talking about on this forum. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that drugs classified as illegal aren't dangerous (especially when cut with other substances so distributors can make a profit) but the social impact of the legal drugs far outstrips the illegal & everyone seems to just ignore that point. I'd hazard a guess that some of the self righteous persons that have written on this forum about drugs have driven home once or twice (or more often) with alcohol limits well above the legal limits. Theoretically that makes them users of an illegal substance at that point. Interested to hear points of view on that.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 19 August 2005
Time: 06:11:08 AM
the question also needs to be raised as to HOW the stuff etc is arriving on norfolk. Isn't there a new x-ray machine sitting in customs? Is it being used? If not, why not? It seems strange to have this machine that's been there for months just sitting around when it could be being put to good use.
Name: Sorry to Say
Email: pacific.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 August 2005
Time: 01:11:03 PM
Dear Teen in the Know, Sorry to say WRONG there has been Heroin brought into Norfolk in the past and correct me but was there injecting implements found I think down near the fuel depot a few years ago. You may not have seen it but let's not stick our head in the sand here, anything is possible.Personally, I find the laid back attitude to " popping a few pills or getting high on pot not good enough. Illegal is just that ILLEGAL
Name: Teen in the know
Email: kls
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 August 2005
Time: 11:31:31 AM
Ok, so i'm regularly out and about, and party etc with friends young and old here. I am pretty much 100% sure that no one is injecting anything... yes, marijuana is an issue but apart from that there is no real big drug problem. party drugs, such as e's, LSD - they are used but not all the time; only when they are on island which is every now and then. NO ONE brings heroin or any shit like that over. A person who is a regular heroin user came over here and i can assure you that in the whole time they were here, they did not have access to any heroin, or any other drugs they may 'inject'. Michael Ryding and Ben Pennycuick are good guys and whilst they are not involved in it themselves they certainly would observe drug use. Yet if at any point they made the suggestion that people were shooting up, i am sure it was a generalisation of drug use, used to make their point that whilst they were digging a hole, they could have been "smoking pot, dropping the odd e or injecting themselves with something"
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 18 August 2005
Time: 11:04:21 AM
Darls, We hope you did well at the Norfolk Island Pro Am! :) Paul en Monica
Name: Norfolk Sullun
Email: Norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 17 August 2005
Time: 11:54:18 PM
Can someone please tell me what people are 'injecting'? Michael Ryding & Ben Pennycuick obvioursly know, as they have stated in a earlier submission that they know of people who were speeding, drunk, stoned, inhaling & injecting while they were digging a trench on Emily Bay. How do they know this? If they know that, how did these people get Needle/s? Where are they coming from?
Name: Dredd Scott
Email: Due_Process_Of_Law
Country: Western Sahara
Date: Wednesday, 17 August 2005
Time: 05:35:51 PM
re. Sunday Herald's regression into medieval witch-hunting frenzy: GIVE FAIRFAX DIGITAL BIGOTRY ENOUGH ROPE...(& they'll end up lynching themselves, instead of Norfolk) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "Due Process of law implies and comprehends the administration of laws equally applicable to ALL under established rules which do not violate fundamental principles of private rights, and in a competent tribunal possessing jurisdiction of the cause and proceeding upon justice. It is founded upon the basic principle that every citizen shall have his day in court, and the benefit of the general law, which proceeds only upon notice and which hears and considers; BEFORE judgement is rendered." State v. Green, 232 S.W.2d 897, 903 (Mo. 1950). cf. In a state of denial about due process February 3, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/7kcel ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ In a state of denial about due process February 3, 2005 For Australia, Mamdouh Habib's return is far from the end of the story, as a US court reminds us. Days after the return of Mamdouh Habib from Guantanamo Bay, a US Federal Court ruling has spelt out why the Australian Government should be ashamed of its failure to defend the basic rights of its detained citizens. Judge Joyce Hens Green found the detentions violate the due process of law and could be contested in court. In particular, military tribunal procedures to check the status of "enemy combatants", who include Australian David Hicks, were inherently unfair and thus unconstitutional. The court also found some detainees were covered by Geneva Convention protections against ill treatment. The Australian Government has repeatedly dismissed detainees' claims of torture, but the court referred to abuses detailed in an affidavit by a witness "apparently affiliated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation but whose identity has been redacted". We go back to a question the Government has yet to answer: if evidence for the serious allegations against Mr Habib existed and was not obtained by torture (making it admissible in court), why was he not charged? The Government is still suggesting he is guilty of something and that proceeds-of-crime laws might apply to any payments for telling his story. Even as debate moves on to rights of free speech and claims for wrongful imprisonment and defamation, the original concerns about Australia's surrender to the legally dubious actions of the Bush Administration have not been laid to rest. Given US courts' evident doubts, why does the Howard Government still accept the denial of due process to its citizens? The latest ruling is subject to appeal, so the Hicks case may be delayed another year or more, although the charges against him are less serious than the allegations made against some freed detainees. The Law Council of Australia also notes that another Australian, Ahmed Aziz Rafiq, has been held in an Iraqi prison for nearly a year, but the Government has been unable to advise the council of his alleged crime, why he has not been charged and whether he has access to a lawyer. As Judge Green wrote, the due process of law is one of "the most basic fundamental rights for which the people of this country have fought and died for well over 200 years". It is the same fight Australia is meant to be supporting in Iraq, but the Government seems either unwilling or unable to respect a legal pillar of freedom, despite the compelling lessons of the past three years. cf. http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/joyce-green-bio.html ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Substantive due process was first applied (in the USofA) by the Supreme Court in a subsection of Dred Scott v. Sandford (1856). Dred Scott was a slave who claimed that passing into territory where slavery was prohibited destroyed his owner's property rights over him. The court ruled in three parts. First, it argued that Dred Scott was not a citizen of the United States and therefore he had no right to liberty under the Constitution of 1856— ...(ETC.) CF. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process
Name: GEP
Email: GEP@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 17 August 2005
Time: 12:56:01 PM
I found the Sunday Herald article disgusting, it made Norfolk sound like a rebellious, scary place to live and/or visit. Nothing was said about how much of a beautiful place Norfolk is and how friendly the residents are. This was really bad publicity for Norfolk, as if it was needed anyway, I believe Sunday Herald owes Norfolk and its people an apology and before they take a story like that to print again 1. Make sure all the facts are true 2. Be aware of the trouble comments made within the article can cause Yours truly An Outraged GEP how continues to be thankful for all the wonderful things Norfolk has to offer
Name: demtull
Email: demtull@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 14 August 2005
Time: 12:57:22 PM
Last weekends article in the Sydney Morning Herald was anything but 'constructive criticism'. Outsiders trying to fathom the Norfolk psyche, a murder which won't go away and innocent comments made by islanders that I am sure were coloured to make the story a good Sunday read for the people of NSW. One thing that comes across loud and clear, is that we must bite the bullet, solve this crime and move on. This article, the recently released Woman's Day paperback 'Nightmare on Norfolk' and the soon to be released movie/doco, are very bad news for Norfolk. IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP SOLVE THE JANELLE PATTON MURDER, THEN TELL THE AUTHORITIES, NOW!!!!
Name: carlarn
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 12 August 2005
Time: 05:35:10 PM
Es dem tull"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink", whether it's through commonsense, persuasive arguments or cursing and abusing, my point remains; the latter is just abusive noise that the forum can do without because it sure isn't going to get any results. Aside from dar, what a wea orl ouwas sullun orn Norfolk?
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 August 2005
Time: 07:55:31 PM
nah I reckon it's because people realise that no matter what they say admin management are just going to ignore it, so why waste your time?
Name: Benny
Email: benny@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 10 August 2005
Time: 10:56:11 PM
What is up with this forum? Is there nothing interesting happening over there on NI? Maybe everyone is happy with ADMIN at the moment or are they still dishing out more of the same. How are the finances going and how is the Norfolk (GST) hitting you all. We would like some feedback as to how the airline is running and if the planes are full of tourists or not. We note that the fares seem to be dropping is it a case of lower the fares or go bust!!!!
Name: for your information
Email: information@world.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 07 August 2005
Time: 06:57:16 PM
July 2005 Version en espańol no disponible. Dear friends, In our efforts to give young people greater platforms from which their voices can be heard, we wanted to bring your attention again to Chat the Planet - the dynamic two-way youth television series on today's hottest topics, and for which GYAN is a strategic partner. Do you have a webcam? If you do, and especially if your organization does, then log onto Chat the Planet! We're going to start talking in ways never done before, and we want your video responses to terrorism and other critical issues facing us today, like the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). Will you be at the World Youth Congress in Scotland? If so, look out for me and other GYAN and TakingITGlobal representatives, and our workshops on the MDGs. GYAN is also continuing a process of strategic development and planning -- we are welcoming feedback from the public, whether positive or critical, in response to our work, and your ideas on how we can better serve today's diverse youth movements. Feedback can be sent by e-mail and we appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us! On with the movement! Benjamin Quinto Execuive Director
Name: nottelling
Email: n
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 07 August 2005
Time: 03:47:25 PM
in relation to carlarn's comments, admin doesn't seem to listen to constructive criticism. How are the people of Norfolk going to learn what is REALLY going on if their "constructive criticism" is ignored? Maybe some full on, in your face comments are what the administration and the legistlative assembly needs to get their arses into gear!
Name: carlarn
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 07 August 2005
Time: 01:42:40 AM
notelling, whatever, whoever: at the end of the day constructive criticism is just that, constructive. This should not be confused with offensive complaining which in any form is just noise - and NOT at all what our island NEEDS.
Name: bcj
Email: bee@optus.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 06 August 2005
Time: 06:05:54 PM
The Goodweekend.........Sydney Morning Herald 6th August.
Name: message to you
Email: all.about@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 06 August 2005
Time: 05:16:17 PM
JSC inquiry website (http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/norfolkgovpart2/index.htm The Government Response to the Committee's Norfolk Annual Report Review was tabled in the House of Representatives on 23 June 2005
Name: whatever
Email: notbloodylikely.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 04 August 2005
Time: 08:25:28 PM
dont worry folks ,psychoanalist is bluffing! i really dont know who nottelling is! speak your mind, your island needs you to. before its too late.............
Name: RICKY JACK
Email: eat_altoa@hotmail.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 03 August 2005
Time: 10:11:26 PM
DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER ME BUT IF U RECOGNISE MY NAME PLEASE EMAIL ME. I'D LIKE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE OLD FRIENDS!!! SEE YORLEY
Name: NOT TRACKED
Email: NIDS
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 03 August 2005
Time: 08:41:21 PM
Just a note to say that entries in this forum are not monitored by NIDS and if any one out there thinks they can or have tracked any entry we would like to see their proof. So far logs of the forum have proven otherwise. Keep posting
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 03 August 2005
Time: 04:53:51 PM
To the person who obviously has ways of seeing the 'users' beind the forum entries (or why else would you be so certain Whatever and Nottelling are the same person?) - Do you realise that you are stopping the communication on this forum? People like to get there opinions off their chest. So what if they use a fake name. The fact is - people feel more confident telling the truth and their REAL opinion if they know there will be no way of other people knowing who they are. By you jumping on the forum and chucking around lines like people being the same person (whether it's true or not doesn't matter) - it makes people scared to use the forum and voice their opinion. I believe that tracking the user of a forum entry should only be done for legal reasons NOT for people just wanting to have their say.
Name: whatever
Email: wherever
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 01 August 2005
Time: 07:24:06 PM
hey sickoANAList i dont know nottelling but thank them . there is someone else out there who can see through all the bullshit try it!
Name: whatever
Email: wherever
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 01 August 2005
Time: 07:23:26 PM
hey sickoANAList i dont know nottelling but thank them . there is someone else out there who can see through all the bullshit try it!
Name: Something to ponder about...
Email: pondering@ponderisms
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 01 August 2005
Time: 04:21:39 PM
The quality of your emotions determine the quality of your life!
Name: psychoanalyst
Email: psychunit
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 30 July 2005
Time: 01:32:19 PM
whatever/nottelling - do you enjoy having conversations with yourself?
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2005
Time: 08:54:47 PM
the madness will probably end when admin management get their heads out of their backsides, look around and realise there isn't anybody left on Norfolk to shaft
Name: whatever
Email: notbloodylikely.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2005
Time: 08:10:48 PM
admin still dont get it do they! they are broke and want to tax all of us to fix their problems today i saw all the newly white painted power poles on rocky point road and they have also painted every rock along the roadside down town white too sure safety first but can we afford this sort of crap at the moment? WHEN WILL THEIR MADNESS END?!?!?!?
Name: asdf
Email: asdef
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2005
Time: 08:59:42 AM
forget about setting up a new tax for norfolk - there's no need to re-invent the wheel - just bring in australia, pay all their taxes and get value for money
Name: dont need tax
Email: no
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 26 July 2005
Time: 09:04:58 PM
WE DON'T NEED TAX HERE ----- IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK ---- STOP THINKING ABOUT TAX NOW.......
Name: dars ett
Email: REDISTRIBUTE
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 26 July 2005
Time: 08:06:56 PM
re. the previous posting - why should the 'lowest net-worth' individual on Norfolk pay the same amount of consumption tax on their daily staples - ie. NECESSITIES to keep body & soul together - as the 'highest net-worth' individual?!? - this is unequivocally a REGRESSIVE form of taxation which imposes the greatest tax burden on the least well off amongst 'ucklun' ****************** time to grasp the nettle & start contemplating a PROGRESSIVE wealth-tax - not a REGRESSIVE consumption tax
Name: cascade
Email: cascade
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 25 July 2005
Time: 05:12:37 PM
Monday, 25 Jul 2005; Australian General News/ Norfolk Island to trial GST Tax Norfolk By Paul Osborne CANBERRA, July 25 AAP - Lowly-taxed Norfolk Islanders will face a one per cent GST from December in a trial by its government to raise more funds for roads and health services. The island's 2,000 residents currently do not have to pay income, payroll or property tax, but their government raises about $20 million a year through custom duties, accommodation, banking and airport departure fees. Under the new scheme, to be trialled from December this year to June 2006, all levies will be axed and replaced by the Norfolk Sustainability Levy. Government secretary Peter Maywald said the levy, which unlike the Australian GST includes food, was needed to provide better services to the island community. "The major issue facing the Norfolk Island government is it doesn't have enough revenue to replace infrastructure," Mr Maywald told AAP. "While we keep everyday things going well, we don't have enough revenue to replace the hospital and roads." Airfares, funeral costs and a number of minor transactions will be exempt from the levy. Laws to introduce the levy are yet to pass the island's assembly and are being debated in the community. "Reaction has been fairly muted," Mr Maywald said. "The idea has been around since April and there's been strong lobbying from the chamber of commerce and the business sector for a different type of tax system." The final figure for a permanent GST would not be known until the results of the trial were analysed, he said. But it is understood there is some support for a figure of 10 per cent - the same level that operates in Australia. "It is being introduced at a revenue-neutral trial level for six months to get better data on the economy," Mr Maywald said. "After that it will be reviewed." A spokesman for Territories Minister Jim Lloyd said the Territories Department, Treasury and the Australian Tax Office had been providing advice on the island's new tax system. AAP
Name: cleangreenandmean
Email: tassie
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 23 July 2005
Time: 07:23:00 PM
dars ett: those websites were very interesting and I'll keep reading, thanks. I don't know much about tidal energy but perhaps you could harness both? When the wind ain't blowin' the ocean es bound to be doing something! Obviously we are talking long term solutions here. In regard to noise levels and protection of birds I am currently emailing the experts plus some friends who live in New Zealand to ask how they have found them to be as I personally wouldn't know - it's still coal here! Will stay in touch.
Name: catch up
Email: here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 23 July 2005
Time: 05:46:30 PM
Better to Get out Headstone and clean up that shumozzle before anything else needing to be done... YES Norfolk should be up with the latest in Technology for saving Electricity (sustainable) and also a figure head for other Pacific Nations as in how to make the world a safer, cleaner and a place that respects the ENVIRO..... as our children with be the ones to live with it all........BUT CLEAN HEADSTONE ---- NOW ----
Name: dars ett
Email: RECYCLE
Country: Oceans
Date: Saturday, 23 July 2005
Time: 05:20:17 PM
cleangreenanmean: Peter Pedal's (Rainbow Power Company) Micro-Hydro-Power solution might be a better option for Norfolk - wind turbines generate more shrieking noise and bird slaughter, than they do electricity. ( http://environment.newarchaeology.com/wind_energy.php ) Better still would be to constuct a parabolic wave focusser between Nepean & the Cemetry/Emily bay coastal area in order to harvest wave energy generated by tidal flows. ( http://www.techmonitor.net/techmon/03jan_feb/nce/nce_tidal.htm ) Welcome to the Rainbow Power Company Web site. http://www.rpc.com.au Facts about the Port Kembla Wave Energy plant http://www.energetech.com.au/
Name: envirogirl
Email: noway@jose.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 22 July 2005
Time: 11:12:45 PM
In response to CleanGreenandMean's suggestion towards the community-run wind turbine, surely that's actually an idea worth chewing over?? It would create employment and hands-on practical experience for anyone wanting to take part, although whether prior experience would be nessesary would need to be discussed. Presumably someone from the company would go to the Island to help set up and commence proceedings. The financial benefits would be alluring, not to mention the (although in place already) high reputation and kudos as an environmentally responsible tourist destination. Sure, the set-up costs would have to be taken into consideration, although once you pay for the technology the running costs would be substantially less. Norfolk would be less dependent on outside sources, and the result would be endless, endless power.
Name: wind4nfk
Email: windy@nfk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 22 July 2005
Time: 06:16:29 PM
Now we're cooking with wind! What a great idea this Victorian website gives us! For an investment of $4000.00 in a wind turbine, the average household can be provided with all the power it neeeds (assuming the wind is blowing all the time). I guess for Norfolk you could add 50% to that figure due to extra costs in freight and erection. So who has a block of dirt on the windy coast of the Island, and would be willing to start the ball rolling? I for one would jump at the chance and I am sure that Admin wouldn't (couldn't?) stand in our way.
Name: cleangreenanmean
Email: Tassie
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 22 July 2005
Time: 04:47:05 PM
Have been following with interest the debate about green energy. I haven't been on the island for a while so am not up to date with any progress, however have come across a company in Victoria that helps build community owned wind turbines. Perhaps if the government will not do anything then the people can. The basic outline is that Future Energy Pty helps establish community owned and profitable renewable energy projects, so Norfolk could share in the investment returns (perhaps pay for another turbine or other community need) while producing their own energy. The website is www.futureenergy.com.au if anyone is interested.
Name: esstru
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 19 July 2005
Time: 08:27:31 PM
I for one have been impressed to see the leadership from the government on the Airline situation, a pretty much seamless take over to ensure everyone's livelyhoods and honouring tickets bought from Norfolk Jet is quite simply amazing. Hats off to those responsible. As for comparing Norfolk with Bangkok (one of the main hubs for flights from Asia to Europe or North America!) or any other destination, Norfolk will NEVER be cheap to fly to, the economics of numbers just can't do it. Resident - ei alweys bin el buy resident fares starting in Sydney through Joss with Norfolk Jet. Has that officially changed?
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 19 July 2005
Time: 01:41:51 PM
Well said "Government Fares"!!! If people are so passionate about getting their views across to the government - why don't YOU run for assembly next election?!! Then see how hard it is to impress 1800 people all at once!
Name: GovernmentFares
Email: toandfromnorfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 July 2005
Time: 09:22:12 AM
If resident fares were available ex Sydney and Brisbane tourists would not be eligble to travel on them anyway. They are for RESIDENTS only. The Government have actually been working on cheaper fares for the residents and they should be out ant time now. Just remember that the Government still needs to make money as they are currently giving US the benifit of being able to use tickets that in all reality should be Null and VOID because of the liquidation. We can only ask so much and maybe for a little period we need to back up the Government and expect to pay a little more - or would you prefer to see our Government and Administration go bankrupt???? Give them a break - they have stepped up to the plate when no one else was jumping in and are so far doing a really good job by ALL OF US.
Name: Resident
Email: SYDNEY
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 19 July 2005
Time: 08:49:35 AM
Airfare Prices seem to be the main topic in the local papers lately, especially Norfolk-Brisbane-Norfolk, but what about giving Resident Airfares from Sydney - Norfolk - Sydney. This should apply for Peak and Non Peak periods. If this was the case, I am sure alot of Sydney residents would take up the offer. But then again one can fly to Bali,Fiji,Thailand etc alot cheaper and have first class restaurants, shopping, accommodation and excellent customer service. WHY, because they want the tourists.
Name: asdf
Email: asdf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 July 2005
Time: 07:41:57 AM
Interesting reading over the last few posts - control freaks in admin, things not getting done unless there are personal or political points in it for certain people, wind and hot air from the old military barracks, talk of people feathering their own nests, a new tax being introduced that may well damage the islands economy beyond repair - looks like Norfolk's really in a good way and the government has the support of the people, all right!
Name: Dars Ett
Email: RECYCLE@ONCE
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 18 July 2005
Time: 05:37:28 PM
about time the politicians extracted digits from podexes & developed a long term energy strategy for Norfolk, based on the following: ... dedicated to a sustainable future ... http://www.ecotopia.com Renewable Energy Resources http://www.aresearchguide.com/energy.html Guide to Energy Resources http://www.darvill.clara.net/altenerg/
Name: Dem Tull
Email: ht@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 18 July 2005
Time: 04:48:51 PM
I agree with previous entry. Not only is there hot air blowing down town but there is dry rot as well. There needs to be a clean broom through the place ... get some in there who have good ideas and follow through with it for the good of the island, not just a continuation of those hanging on to feather their own nests.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 18 July 2005
Time: 07:56:12 AM
yea they could stick a turbine down a town - there's always plenty of wind and hot air coming from the old military barracks
Name: windforme@nfk
Email: norfolk@sthpacific
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 16 July 2005
Time: 01:03:23 PM
Continuing with the wind energy topic, I note on the South Australian Govt sustainable energy website that King Island (Tassie) save $500k per year in diesel costs. They have installed three Danish built (Nordex) wind turbines. Reading through the blurb, they arrived from Denmark in 5 x 40' containers, which in itself may present some challenges for Norfolk. Also on the Nordex website they have new 'Offshore' turbines in development and have built over 2000 turbines for worldwide use, so far. See these sites for more info:- http://www.sustainable.energy.sa.gov.au/pages/advisory/renewables/types/wind/wind.htm:sectID=21&tempID=52 http://www.nordex-online.com/_e/produkte_und_service/index.html
Name: seenitatadmin
Email: seenitatadmin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 15 July 2005
Time: 07:47:57 AM
yea I agree the control freaks only approve things that they can get points for. If there's nothing in it for them personally or politically then it just gets ignored
Name: admin control freaks
Email: aussie
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 15 July 2005
Time: 12:04:15 AM
sorry it was to read like this ----- the reason why most of the gifts to the NI Gov DON'T get done is because of the control freaks within the admin don't like it and push it all aside...... time to move on and move them out
Name: admin control freaks
Email: aussie
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 15 July 2005
Time: 12:02:51 AM
the reason why most of the gifts to the NI Gov do get done is because of the control freaks within the admin don't like it and push it all aside...... time to move on and move them out
Name: windy wayne
Email: ww@au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 11:08:57 PM
Have noted the wind turbines in the Palmerston North area of New Zealand. They fit into the landscape quite well and do a great job so I am told. In the right position on Norfolk they would be great and you will have extra energy to use locally.
Name: itseemsthewindhaspassed
Email: stillair@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 09:38:43 PM
Is it correct that some years ago a plan was submitted to admin to create a wind turbine power supply for Norfolk Island? Is it also correct that a financial proposal was forwarded to the NIG? So if these are correct, then what happened?
Name: yorle@nfk
Email: yorle.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 06:23:09 PM
Having a look around about wind generation I came upon this site:- http://www.sustainableenergy.qld.edu.au/fact/factsheet_8.html Seems we are way behind the 8 ball when it comes to this technology. They even have it on Coconut Island in the Torres Straight, an island so small the airstrip takes up most of it!
Name: Sally O
Email: @Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 04:03:58 PM
Reply to earlier entry. Yes, I too have read the book Nightmare on Norfolk and found many names linked in some way to this dreadful murder of Janelle. Besides those of interest named, there are other links (the dobbers, the sticky beaks, and those seen in the vicinity) maybe those who dobbed or said they sighted others are covering up for family members by naming others as being at a particular place on that particular day to take the heat off their own families. Some know what happened that day and those of you covering up for those who are guilty will be haunted until you yourselves meet your maker. The killer or killers are still at large and could do it again - God help you all if that happens.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 03:56:59 PM
wind turbines on norfolk could be another reason tourists could want to come to norfolk. come on MLA's, think outside the box!
Name: Lowanna
Email: norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 02:06:21 PM
Wind turbines are used on Thursday Island and apparently are very successful. Contact with T.I. might be a good idea
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 14 July 2005
Time: 02:21:03 AM
Cascade, thenks fe dar link es interesting read. I still have vivid memories of the first time i saw Wind Turbines in the north of Germany about 15 years ago. They simply looked majestic, made very little noise and left me with the impression of an advanced and intelligent race of people. I doubt that wind turbines on Norfolk would have any negative impact on tourism and indeed suspect quite the opposite.
Name: someonesomewhere
Email: someone@elsewhere.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 13 July 2005
Time: 08:59:38 PM
Annette Ellis....Australian Labor Party. Member for Canberra. Uuuummmm...not worth worrying about. The Govt in Australia is Liberal and even have a majority in the Senate. The Australian Labor Party equals nothing at the moment, so Annette Ellis isn't worth worrying about, has no meaning what so ever on the Australian political scene. Stay at home.
Name: Reader
Email: readit@womansweekly
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 13 July 2005
Time: 05:58:19 PM
I am a resident of NI living in Aus. I have just finished reading "Nightmare on Norfolk". As mentioned earlier on this forum, it was released by Womans Day in June. It is a very well written and detailed read, and I was wondering if anyone else from this forum has read it?
Name: Who da?
Email: whoda@yahoo.com.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 13 July 2005
Time: 05:54:49 PM
Please excuse my ignorance, but who is Annette Ellis?
Name: Wi Nor Wunt Ett
Email: @@@.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 13 July 2005
Time: 02:08:06 PM
Well Well - the true rumour mill tells us Annette Ellis is coming to town. Whoopdy Doo!!! Let's hope she leaves her sewing at home this time as the last time she was here with the other JSC jaunters - she sat through the entire hearing doing her sewing. Is this the true image of a person with a genuine interest in Norfolk Island and her people????? Stand up for our rights Norfolk and don't bother to attend any of her meetings should she have any. Ho Hum - the poor Aussie tax payers...............again.
Name: asdf
Email: asdf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 July 2005
Time: 09:42:29 PM
Watching the goings on here on Norfolk over the past few years I am beginning to wonder if the reason nothing major seems to get done is because the MLAs seem to want to avoid upsetting anybody. Every time they make a decision they will inevitably upset someone, and having grown up with the people they are most likely to upset you can almost see why they don't want to rock the boat too much, as lifelong friendships could be at risk. Maybe it's time to suggest that the decisions regarding the long term sustainability be made by people with no emotional attachment to Norfolk. Note I am not saying hand full control over to Australia, just let someone else review the (many) reports etc that have been done over the years, review the current situation the island is in, and then look at different options, such as GST (sorry, NSL), wind turbines etc and make the decision which way to go and get them implemented. Just a thought.
Name: cascade
Email: cascade
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 12 July 2005
Time: 07:04:28 PM
For info on renewable energy options for Norfolk, have a look at http://solar.anu.edu.au/pages/publications2003/Barton.pdf
Name: carwaar
Email: car@waar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 July 2005
Time: 03:24:36 PM
Re-Wind turbines Not only was it put in the too hard basket, as usual, the initial setup cost scared everyone off. Just another case of not looking at a long term solution and only looking at the short term and how much it will cost, not how much they will save years down the track. Although wind generation would not solve the whole problem. You would still need back-up (The wind does'nt always blow),so we would still need the existing system to supplement the wind generators. At the end of the day, world oil prices are only going to continue to rise, along with the cost of electricity (40 cents/unit now compared to around 12 cents/unit in sydney). So to answer your question, yes they have looked at it but don't hold your breath.
Name: asdf
Email: asdf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 July 2005
Time: 03:06:01 PM
I think it was considered then put in the too hard basket by those who make are supposed to make decisions
Name: windmeup
Email: windmeup@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 12 July 2005
Time: 12:22:27 PM
Whilst on the subject of the environment, have we ever considered the installation of wind generators to supplement our costly and polluting generation of power on the island? They have been a great success in Victoria and being considered for a number of locations around Australia. They can emit a low frequency noise, but with careful site planning this can be minimised. Energy from the wind has to make better sense that burning fossil fuels!
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 July 2005
Time: 06:39:24 PM
wasn't the waste management centre supposed to stop the dumping of rubbish into the ocean?
Name: dars ett
Email: RECYCLE
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 11 July 2005
Time: 04:49:14 PM
'concerned local!', I agree totally - good on you for blowing the whistle on the disgusting practice of dumping rubbish into the ocean - RECYCLE EVERYTHING!!
Name: concerned local!
Email: noaddress@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 July 2005
Time: 01:04:19 AM
i dont want to point the finger or offend anyone, though i feel that something needs to be done about our current waist management system! i feel that it is a bad thing that we are dumping sooo much in our ocean! i know that nf. is to small for such methods as land fill,,, (not a prefered method),,, though i have noticed that the garbage that is washing up on our shores of late is defenatly more than i have ever seen in past years! this concerns me! especially with items such as bags, plastic rings wire,cans, bottles etc. have been washing up in quite large quantities making otherwise pristeen enviroments such as anson bay,unsightly and unclean in apperence... not to mention the effects that such amounts of litter could and probably does have on our marine life... are there any other posibilitys we could be exploring,,, such as a high temp. kiln, something that will distroy such materials, with minimal harmfull gasses, leaving the remnants degraded to a degree where they can be disposed of as a material that will sink and have less of an impact on the environment we all should hold dear! also the current method of human waist disposal concerns me, could we have a treatment plant that pumped not raw waist but treated water into the ocean? im not sure if this is in our means,,, though i ask myself how can we put a price on the worth of keeping our home as beautiful as it is for generations to come???
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 09 July 2005
Time: 07:53:47 PM
formerfa, regarding your comment "As for business, who says gsm will be any cheaper than your current mobile system " - Norfolk DOESN'T HAVE any existing mobile system! The current trunking system was put in place for emergency use, and it has gone from there to being used as a "defacto" mobile system. If there wasn't any need for a mobile system for the local population then just about all of the tradespeople on Norfolk wouldn't have one. Norfolk's main economy is from tourists, agreed, but what about the needs and requirements of the local population? Don't forget about the locals!
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 09 July 2005
Time: 04:48:39 PM
to the poster a few back, no its not because they were over 40 - its because its the only flight you can do where people with phones is not an issue... As a matter of fact, usually about 1/3 - 1/2 board with mobile phones in hand, or on belt on some flights within australia or to other south pacific/short haul intl destinations. Can guarantee that on nlk, you are lucky to see 1 or 2 at the very most. And, yes, you sort of need to accept that the current demographic flying to nlk are not big users of technology as a whole. Im not being ageist, just real. I agree, I too know of people whom the first thing they do on the mainland is find a phone. But its the mainland. The distance you drive from the airport to your hotel, you could have crossed norfolk island and back in. Norfolk is blessed not to have slummy areas, public transport to which the word timetable has no meaning, and vast expanses of confusing streets, highways etc. As for business, who says gsm will be any cheaper than your current mobile system - why would it be? If you get lost on norfolk, there is always someone only a few minutes away who will help you. Mobiles are not necessarily a step forward.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 09 July 2005
Time: 09:16:45 AM
I agree. Let's get the mobile phone issue back on the agenda and get a decent system installed on Norfolk. While I respect the wishes of the tourists who don't want to hear one-sided conversations, they also have to realise that this is our home. We have a right to decide what we want. It isn't like there are people queing to come here BECAUSE there is no mobile phone system. With the current situation regarding money etc the government should be looking at EVERY possible option of bringing more people to the island, and this includes opening the doors to people who want to be contacted while on holiday. There are mobile phone networks on other islands and people still go there, don't they? Why would Norfolk be any different?
Name: mobiles4VER@nfk.com
Email: rfaddiction@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 July 2005
Time: 11:48:41 PM
After this debate its obvious that the majority want to step up to the new millenium, along with most other island states in the Pacific, and get a decent mobile phone system. Lobby your favourite member, lets get it back on the agenda ASAP!
Name: n/a
Email: mobilesareusefultools@net.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 July 2005
Time: 09:59:25 PM
You're certainly right about that being a generalisation "most people didn't have mobiles and possibly didn't know how to use them" !!!! How would you know that?? What, were they over 40? By the way, it isn't just tourists who want to use mobiles. As someone said here previously, most people who go to the mainland get a mobile to use, and why do you think that might be....because it's very convenient. And as for loud meaningless conversations in coffee shops, well surprise, surprise......people don't need a phone to have those.
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 July 2005
Time: 02:02:38 PM
To those trying to justify mobiles by saying its what the tourists want - I have to disagree - for the following reasons: 1) I know this is a generalisation, but most of the passengers didnt have mobiles, and possibly didnt know how to use mobiles. 2) Most of the passengers knew that mobiles didnt work on norfolk, and in some cases this was a big attraction. The ones that didnt know they didnt work never had a problem with that. 3) When on norfolk, if you have to be contacted, its very possible. Actually, I have more luck contacting friends over there than I do with friends over here that have mobiles. 4) If you are enjoying a coffee at one of norfolk's many lovely cafe's, you dont want to be listening to someone 'yell' down their phone (as people seem to do for some unknown reason). 5) Yes, it is important for business - but do you really think that anyone who is in some sort of business meeting on norfolk is going to need one when there is a land line right there? If they are down on the beach, do you really think they would want to answer their phone? If they wanted a beach holiday and to remain contactable for emergencies, they would drive an hour to the beach (at the cost of $6). Now I respect the point about Janelle Paton completely. I can't rebut that. Overnighting on norfolk was the one overnight port where we were not required to have our mobile on 24/7 - and if anyone wanted to contact us in an emergency, they never had a problem. I found out about the death of a close friend on the island, probably quicker that I would have if I had a mobile anyway - as it would have been switched off when I got the call on the land line. I understand there are people that want them, I respect that, but Norfolk is a sanctuary in more than one way - and I and every passenger I spoke to was more than happy about no mobiles. This includes the executive types I met. Living in a moblie free zone is not as easy as visiting one I respect that, but for the majority of locals, and think about the younger ones, who are you going to call that cant wait 5mins in the car, or even less to a fixed line phone? I highly doubt mobiles would be any cheaper than your land lines, you would probably end up paying for local calls!
Name: Luddite
Email: G3sux
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 07 July 2005
Time: 08:52:04 PM
what yolli will get is fat loud obnoxious tourists yelling endlessly into their slim shiny ubiquitous nokias about how quaint & folksy yolli are
Name: Lowanna
Email: norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 July 2005
Time: 02:23:34 PM
When all is said and done, the telephone is an inaminate object. The user chooses to have it turned on or off and to have good phone manners . Isn't there always the one or two who don't turn them off at the tennis or other events. Really it is the manners of the user that would be a problem and I would get quite ticked off with someone having a loud sensless conversation while I am at any of our eateries and would likely tell them so. That sort of behavour is not welcome anywhere be it Norfolk or elsewhere.
Name: exresident
Email: exnfk@oz.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 07 July 2005
Time: 12:26:52 AM
I don't know anyone from Norfolk that visits Sydney and DOESN'T buy a prepaid mobile on arrival or bring one with them! Sure they can be a bit daunting for the first time user, but 10minutes with a phone and its like riding a bike. Of course there are huge differences between Sydney and Norfolk, but my kids (from 13yo to 21yo) keep in touch with the Short Message Service (SMS), and this is a real boon to us parents. When my wife and I went to Europe last year, SMS kept us in touch at only 20cents a message. No need for email and it works (just about) everywhere in Europe. Food for thought, re the news article 2 nights ago about the floods in India, where a bunch of Poms were stuck on a half submerged train in the countryside for 4 days! The only way they got water and food dropped to them was by communicating with the authorities by mobile phone. Bring on the referendum!
Name: More Food For Thought
Email: Certainlytrue@eastersunday
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 July 2005
Time: 03:54:53 PM
Even more food for thought. If there had been a mobile service on the island previous, the persons of intrest would have had their mobile history looked at. Deleted SMS's could have been retrieved
Name: Food For Thought
Email: Maybetrue@EasterSunday
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 July 2005
Time: 03:48:16 PM
Food for thought ROSIE!!!!
Name: Rosie
Email: talk@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 06 July 2005
Time: 01:20:44 PM
Perhaps if there had been a mobile service in operation on Norfolk Janelle Patton's life may have been saved - when confronted by her attackers she could have messaged or phoned someone and the call could have been traced. Yes mobiles are great in any emergency.
Name: n/a
Email: mobilesareusefultools@net.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 08:47:09 PM
Mobile phones are actually very useful tools and guess what...they have an OFF switch if you don't want to use them! Aside from that if you don't want one, you don't actually have to buy one, but that doesn't mean that because you don't want one others shouldn't have one. For anyone in business they are invaluable, for parents to contact kids they are great, for anyone stuck anywhere they are great, you can SMS your family or friends anywhere in the world on their mobiles, you can pre-pay so you don't have bills you can't afford and on the mainland you can buy one for $100 or so at the post office or phone stores or you can pay more and get one with all the gizmos...entirely your choice. Most visitors don't want to get away from their mobiles, they are a part of life for the majority of people these days, even most older people, and as I said there is always the option of the OFF button but I don't think you'll see too many people using it! Imagine Norfolk without the internet now! Everyone should have modern technology available to them.
Name: Maxine Again
Email: mhu1960@bigpond.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 07:22:58 PM
Sorry everyone for the shocking spelling of my previous post, I am in the frustrating position of having a keyboard with flat batteries - wireless technology just aint all it is cracked up to be sometimes
Name: Maxine
Email: mhu1960@bigpond.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 07:20:05 PM
Mardi Ippy I am with you - I was on Island a week ago and to me it was an outright PLEASURE and joy to turn my mobile off while I was there - In fact I realised while on Island that I do NOT need a mobile to stay in touch, landlines and email work just fine - I AM NOY a newly wed or a nearly dead but I AM a busy executive who does need to be contactable - but hey surely not 24/7 - We all need to drive, shower and eat hopefully without interuption. Keep Norfolk mobile free PLEASE they are noisy and intrusive - it was so good when colleagues asked if I would have my phone on to say "NO they dont work on Norfolk!!" BTW Thanks everyone - my trip was as usual FANTASTIC - See Yourlye soon.
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 05:45:51 PM
I think your taking "my opinion" a little wrongly. Your acting as if Mobile phones are the ONLY way you can contact someone these days. All I am saying is I live in a city where everyone has a mobile - even 12 year old kids. There are so many issues in Australia related to mobile phones that Norfolk really doesn't need - i.e. kids and adults rack up the bills on it because it's there and convenient and then realise they can't pay for it. I realise people should have will power but in the realistic world - we don't. All I am saying is we are not marketing Norfolk Island as an up to date technological destination - isn't it being marketed as eco-tourism, soft adventure, a place to relax and unwind etc, etc. I recognise and understand that your opinion is to bring mobiles into the Island - just recognise and understand that MY opinion is the opposite. Thats the joy of a forum - different opinions make an interesting conversation.
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 03:51:36 PM
Well mobile phones was lost by referendum. Maybe you could win them back by referendum. If it is that important. me .. the last thing I want to hear is 101 ring tones every where I go.. even if the crazy frog is top of the pops in london. maybe they should only allow vibrating ringers
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 03:40:27 PM
"Sooner or later we all have to accept that we need to change." Thank you local thinker! I agree completely. Hanging onto the past is great, up to a limit. We are already described as a market for the newly weds or nearly deads, and by not having mobile phone access sooner or later we won't be a viable market for anyone! Think about this - how many times have you gone away from Norfolk for a holiday and ended up ringing Norfolk for something? What's to say that people holidaying here are going to be any different? I say let's get the mobile phone issue back in front of the MLA's and get the ball rolling!
Name: Norfolkmobility
Email: mobiles@nfk.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 11:28:00 AM
Mard Ippy...........Don't think these execs just leave their mobile phones on.........to the contrary, they rarely have them on even when on the mainland....inwards calls simply divert to their messagebank and they vet them before responding. This is normal practice these days and stops them from receiving unwanted 'spam' type calls. I think it is naieve to believe that people go on holidays to 'escape' their mobile phones. These days, they are viewed as a necessary item for everyday living, just as the wired or terrestrial phone was when it was rolled out on Norfolk during the 70's.
Name: local thinker
Email: local@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 July 2005
Time: 08:02:17 AM
To Mard Ippy - Norfolk cannot sustain itself if we do not keep up with other destinations competitively. Surely you can see that this is happening now. Mobile phones are one of the most lucrative industries in the world and Norfolk needs this valuable income stream. We already have mobiles (very antiquated and intrusive) so why not change it into something that is worthwhile to visitors and the community alike and also contributes to our economy. Sooner or later we all have to accept that we need to change.
Name: Homesick
Email: @@@@
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 04 July 2005
Time: 06:52:24 PM
Well it is good to know the forum works. Pity the same couldn't be said for us locals in Oz and afar who try to access our NIDS acocunts through webmail only to find it won't connect us. What's going on Rob????????? If your staff don't know what they are doing, then sack em 'cos it is no good to us having an acocunt with you if we can't access it.
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 July 2005
Time: 03:13:30 PM
Re: the mobile conversation... I too know a lot of executives who cherish the fact that there phones don't work on Norfolk. They can go to Norfolk and are forced to completely switch off from their busy and stressful lives. They love the fact that they don't have a mobile phone to constantly nag them. If something does happen that they need to know about - there's always email AND landline. Norfolk is unique and by changing it you are taking away something that so many people love about it. Keep Norfolk unique and stop trying to make it like the rest of the world as that's the beauty of Norfolk - it's not. P.S Shocked - it is completely irrelevant whether I am a boy or girl.
Name: Erica Reynolds
Email: wetls2hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 July 2005
Time: 12:47:20 PM
Hey thaenks fe daa
Name: oh d'guud
Email: se_raami_furret
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 July 2005
Time: 11:42:51 AM
(Serves 12 "inglish sullun" or 2 a'ucklun) You need: 1 1/2 kilograms white fish (thread-fin salmon best, can also use barramundi) juice of 5 limes juice of 3 lemons bulb of ginger (4-5cm) half bunch corriander stalks 1 small-medium sweet potato, steamed mixed leaf & rocket salad leaf mix enough coconut cream to cover fish (may need 1 or 2 tins) 3 bananas (peel, slice leagthways in half, then cut into quarters, so each person is served with a quarter of banana in half) salt &pepper olive oil paprika to serve Method: Slice fish against the grain into strips, pieces should be about half a centremetre thick. Roughly chop the chilli, corriander, and ginger,add to fish with lemon and lime juice and mix gently. Set aside for half and hour to cure, mixing occassionaly. Check after 20 minutes. Ready when just starts to soften and pull-apart. Drain the juices and remove chilli, corriander and ginger. Cover the fish with Coconut cream and fold through. This stops the curing process which is important, otherwise your fish will turn to mush. (This mixture will keep in the fridge overnight). Mix salad leaves and diced, sweet potato, with some dressing. If you choose to make the salad dressing wisk: salt, pepper & white wine vinager, then add some olive and vegetable oil and mix. Season the banana with salt and pepper, drizzle with olive oil. Place in hot pan for about a minute, flat side of banana only. This caramalises the banana. Remove from pan. On serving plate place some salad mixture, place the banana open halves neatly on top. Pile some of the marinated fish on top of this, then sprinkle with paprika. Nosh Up Erica!
Name: Erica Reynolds
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 04 July 2005
Time: 10:14:23 AM
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Name: nfkmobility
Email: mobiles@nfk.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Sunday, 03 July 2005
Time: 04:18:13 PM
Interesting debate re mobile phones for Norfolk. Is it simply a case of putting the RF gear on Mt Pitt, a repeater at Longridge and a switch in Burnt Pine, for say $1M? I think not. Leaving aside local use of mobiles, can Norfolk's current infrastructure handle the increase in traffic that tourists using mobiles will bring to the international circuits? Probably not, but what cost to upgrade it? Having a multi-mode and multi-band (GSM, CDMA, G3, etc) mobile service available for tourists on Norfolk will reap some fine inwards revenue, but how do the numbers stack up. I would suggest that our new Tourist Manager would have strong views in this area. Maybe he has a view? I personally know of a number of well-heeled execs/MD's/etc, who would view a holiday on Norfolk with more interest if the comms network were brought up to modern standards. It is all possible given good planning and a healthy injection of cash!
Name: nfkmobility
Email: mobiles@nfk.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Sunday, 03 July 2005
Time: 04:18:05 PM
Interesting debate re mobile phones for Norfolk. Is it simply a case of putting the RF gear on Mt Pitt, a repeater at Longridge and a switch in Burnt Pine, for say $1M? I think not. Leaving aside local use of mobiles, can Norfolk's current infrastructure handle the increase in traffic that tourists using mobiles will bring to the international circuits? Probably not, but what cost to upgrade it? Having a multi-mode and multi-band (GSM, CDMA, G3, etc) mobile service available for tourists on Norfolk will reap some fine inwards revenue, but how do the numbers stack up. I would suggest that our new Tourist Manager would have strong views in this area. Maybe he has a view? I personally know of a number of well-heeled execs/MD's/etc, who would view a holiday on Norfolk with more interest if the comms network were brought up to modern standards. It is all possible given good planning and a healthy injection of cash!
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 03 July 2005
Time: 02:09:51 AM
good to hear some of the ex nje employees have found work, employers would be lucky to get them... Unfortunately from this side of the ocean, Alliance have been letting go quite a few staff... 4 flight attendants given a weeks pay (less than $400), and told cya later... (4 fulltimers is a lot at alliance!) The sad thing is, these girls were the ones always on norfolk and absolutely loved overnighting over there... If theres any Norfolk Jet staff in Brisbane on Fri 8th, all the cabin crew (both current and those of us who arent!) are going to have a get together at the Brekky creek - im sure the girls (and me, the only guy fa outta BNE) would love to see you!! 7pm i think! All the best - PS Darls, i can probably help you out with Elvis - if your stuck get in touch...
Name: repeater
Email: again
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 03 July 2005
Time: 12:59:19 AM
Denise, have you found a new toy or is this recycling eco style
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 05:39:28 PM
Lowanna, The facts remain. Norfolk Island and her inhabitants do not enjoy the full freedoms that were promised her by the Crown in the 18th century. Just because it may not be popular to say so due to brainwashing and ignorance or some peoples warped sense of self preservation does not make it any less of a truth. Taime might be se ketch up fe ucklan but Ootatu ent de onie wun ell se wathing gwen orn.
Name: yo2
Email: whatever
Country: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 05:16:11 PM
Name: thats right
Email: yo
Country: Uganda
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 04:49:12 PM
yo Lowanna we don't imprison children behind razor wire in Uganda
Name: Lowanna
Email: Norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 04:30:58 PM
ootatau I was under the impression that we ALL came under the british crown. Three weeks in Uganda might be a good holiday for sorting out the difference of a democracy to dictatorship
Name: Denise Quintal
Email: denise@econorfolk.nf
Country: Botswana
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 03:46:53 PM
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Email: denise@econorfolk.nf
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Name: Denise Quintal
Email: denise@econorfolk.nf
Country: Western Sahara
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 03:45:38 PM
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Name: Denise Quintal
Email: office@econorfolk.nf
Country: Uzbekistan
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 03:44:04 PM
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Name: Fenise Quintal
Email: office@econorfolk.nf
Country: Uzbekistan
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 03:43:57 PM
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Name: carwaar
Email: car@waar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 01 July 2005
Time: 09:57:08 AM
Just so you no, the Aussie government did not take back the $1 million on offer, it was spent to upgrade the islands communications, mainly the optic fibre cable that links the Reach ground station, Mt pitt, Airport, Hospital, Bicentennial complex, Telecom exchange and the Radio station. As well as upgrades to cabling infrastructure. This money could have gone towards the installation of a mobile phone network, But $1 million was not enough. Another $900,000 was needed from Norfolk at the time to go ahead with it, but the referendum was the deciding factor. If the public had been better informed about the long term benefits of a mobile phone network, then maybe the referendum would have had a different outcome. Whether you love mobile phones or hate them, sooner or later we will have them here,its only a matter of time.
Name: ootatau
Email: a@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 30 June 2005
Time: 08:19:32 PM
A referendum is a democracy in action. That is something the Aussie Govt doesnt take notice of. eg (all of norfolks immigration and electoral law overrides) There are some things that mean more than money. for example pride in being a Norfolk Islander and respecting the peoples wishes, and not wanting to live under a foreign dictatorship(Aussie)
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 June 2005
Time: 08:18:39 PM
yep and half of those in government at the time of the referendum are still in there - what does that tell you? I say bring the mobile phones in, there are probably more people turning away because of the lack of coverage than are arriving for the same reasons. The world is changing and Norfolk is going to have to change with it to survive. Hanging onto traditions is great, but with the emphasis placed on communications etc these days the island is starving itself by not keeping up with the rest of the world.
Name: livinonarock
Email: whatever
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Thursday, 30 June 2005
Time: 07:59:39 PM
yeh they had a referendum and norfolk said they didnt want to listen to ringtones so the ossie goverment ran away with the million buck grant approved to set the system up for us.....pretty bloddy clever eh?
Name: asdf
Email: asdf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 30 June 2005
Time: 09:45:37 AM
nor larnen I thought it was canned because a referendum was held and the people of norfolk said no.
Name: Darlene "Darls" Buffett
Email: lubbeeucklun@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 29 June 2005
Time: 08:57:07 PM
For something quite different to what is on this forum.........does anyone [on Norfolk] have Elvis Presley's "Rock On" album on CD that they are prepared to lend me to use on radio?? I particularly want the songs "Little Egypt" and "Little Sister". We have it on vinyl at the radio, but it is quite scratched and not good enough to use. If you can help, please email me to my above hotmail address or phone me at home, work or radio. Thanks yorlye :)
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 29 June 2005
Time: 04:49:35 PM
Aussie, I appreciate your candid views which offer some food for thought. The reason the mobile phone proposal was shot down a few years ago was due primarily to the cost, A$1,000,000 or more as I recall it. If the demand is there it may be worth considering the cost effectiveness of doing it again. One thing Norfolk needs to remember, we can't be all things to all people.
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybiz@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 28 June 2005
Time: 02:42:33 AM
Good!! Keep the murder in the spotlight. We all want this one solved and hopefully the culprit(s) will stay nervous and slip up soon!!! Don't stick your heads in the sand & think that time will make this all go away; just think of her poor parents, then think "what if it happened 2 me?"
Name: WOMAN’S DAY TRUE CRIME FICTION – CONNECTIONS LAUNCH!
Email: sh@me-PBL
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 27 June 2005
Time: 07:28:58 PM
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Name: shocked
Email: dazed@confused
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 27 June 2005
Time: 06:02:32 PM
Mard Ippy are you a girl?
Name: ümit
Email: umit_percin@hotmail.com
Country: Turkey
Date: Monday, 27 June 2005
Time: 06:01:44 PM
I want to see norlfolk pictures ( people, zoo, museum, streets....)
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 27 June 2005
Time: 03:13:03 PM
While sitting down to lunch with the latest Woman's Day (not sure if Norfolk has it yet) imagine the surprise I had to see a FULL page advert on a book that has just been launched - "Nightmare On Norfolk - The shocking story of Janelle Patton's gruesome murder on Norfolk Island"!! It seems that Norm Lipson and Adam Walters (whoever they think they are) are cashing in on this story - does that not make anyone sick? Or maybe it's Womans Day roping in all the cash from this book? Who knows. But whats next? A movie??? Get over it guys - have a look at your own backyard before jumping the fence into ours.
Name: nlkresident
Email: nlkresident@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 27 June 2005
Time: 12:11:23 PM
I agree with Aussie, the days of "no Mobiles" being the Norfolk way has for gone. Just listen to the antique system that we are forced to use in its place now. (If you are fortunate enough to have one as there is a moratorium on any new mobile phone conmnections). It is time to relive the mobile phone issue and priovide a system that will not only make good revenue for the Island but also provide us tradesmen with a phone that we can utilse properly for business purposes. SO IF YOU AGREE THAT WE NOW NEED MOBILES - CANVAS YOUR FAVOURITE ASSEMBLY MEMBER TO RELIVE THE RESULTS OF THE REFERENDUM AND MAKE SOME COMMON SENSE DECIONS FOR A CHANGE. THE TIME HAS COME TO RECOGNISE THAT IF WE WANT TO GET AHEAD WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES
Name: SYDNEY READER
Email: SYDNEY
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 27 June 2005
Time: 09:09:27 AM
DAILY TELEGRAPH DATED 24/6 'NOTICE-BOARD' Looking for Richard O'Donnell, born Scotland, lived in New Zealand, last heard of 20 years ago in Norfolk Island. Please call (02) 99059880 if you can assist with any information.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 26 June 2005
Time: 08:47:04 PM
hooray for aussie! at last someone from away tells it like it is! If I may add to the comment "Australia will inevitavbly reach into it's pockets and bail the island out of the financial mess it has found itself entrenched in" I agree totally but at what cost to the island is going to be up to the islanders, especially the 9 down-a-town. I say better to take the initiative now while the island still has some options than to have to take whatever aussie dishes out just to survive.
Name: aussie
Email: aussie@aussie.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 26 June 2005
Time: 08:27:16 PM
Congratulations to the ucklun that are going to give Steve a go. Pity you all cant wake up to a simple fact, Norfuk ess too expensive!!!. There are some incredibly switched on islanders that are awake to a simple fact,; you cant survive without Aus!!! No matter what direction Norfolk takes, you cant compete with numerous other tourist destinations!! Yes, my partner and I have been to the island, yes it is beautiful!!, yes the native islanders are wonderful people, however, pot holed roads in the town centre, 3-4 star accomodation, dubious flight schedules, inflated prices, limited health services, no mobile phone network ( I run a business, please don't tell me it's the "island way" not to have mobile phones") and many other issues mean that Norfolk is becoming a one stop holiday destination. Our next holiday will be somewhere that offers better accomodation, cheaper airfares, a mobile phone network, insurance for vehicle drivers, decent health services, and somewhere that doesnt cost too much, despite the lure of the so called "duty free/tax free shopping (try doing some price comparisons in Aus). My comments, no doubt, will upset/annoy many Islanders; I make no excuse for this; the simple truth is Norfolk needs to pull it's head out of the sand and realise the island is going down the gurgler(literally). Australia will inevitavbly reach into it's pockets and bail the island out of the financial mess it has found itself entrenched in. You live on what is undoutably a jewel in the southern hemisphere, time to negotiate with the big island near to you and sort things out eh? God bless yorle!!!
Name: tomcat
Email: happy
Country: Virgin Islands
Date: Sunday, 26 June 2005
Time: 12:51:18 PM
good on ya mard ippy ,the islands future looks bright and lets get in behind these changes,already the new airfares look ok and reasonable with some credibilty returning this place will hum.all my tourists really enjoy there stay on the island and go back and tell their friends how welcoming and beatifull this treasure in the pacific is.
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 25 June 2005
Time: 12:07:07 PM
Leave the poor guy alone. Let him do his job and let him prove that bringing him over was the best option. Don't shoot him down before he even has a chance. He's going to be helping the whole Island in the long run - so be thankful that you have someone with such experience and knowledge! Let him do his job and stop moaning and bitching.
Name: Wondering
Email: cartel@au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 09:00:19 PM
Perhaps Steve McInnes can take over, as well as the running of the Tourism he can also run the Airline and anything else you want taken care of, when he gets there next month could be very cost effective, don't you agree. Maybe the CEO's job as well make it worth while bring him over from Thredbo.
Name: not
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 08:12:12 PM
when are they going to advertise the ceo's job at admin? perhaps the government should be looking for someone who used to be an airline executive. That way Norfolk would get the best of both worlds - someone with senior management experience and someone with airline experience. Just a thought.
Name: Admin Airline
Email: Staffing
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 02:01:07 PM
Unfortunately when a business goes into liquidation anywhere in the world people are going to loose their jobs. Fortunately for some they have been able to find other means of work. Personally I believe there are jobs available here on Norfolk. The staff may have to look outside of the industry for now but there are definately positions available in other areas. Maybe this is the time that we need to cease new TEP contracts for work and look after our own first like the system is SUPPOSE to work?? Most of the Norfolk Jet staff that I have talked to on a personal basis are actually taking a months holiday. These people can obviously afford it and are not too worried about needing work straight away..... I am sure that most businesses would be more than happy to give a job opportunity to a resident (especially in these circumstances) than to import a TEP. It will be interesting to see the job vacancies in this weeks and the following weeks paper....
Name: ?
Email: ripped@off.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 01:58:35 PM
thanks alot to the person who decided to help themselves to my wallet which was in my car at the RSL last night. Spend my money wisely.
Name: Admin Fares
Email: notthatbad
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 01:53:19 PM
As per the understanding all agents should now be able to sell the fares I listed below. It was just a matter of getting a reasonable for in the system to kick of the venture in the beginning. Everyone should now have access to the same fare structure....
Name: Former NJE employee
Email: former_nje@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 01:50:54 PM
AdminAirline - Well thats great to hear that one NJE worker has been re-employed and it sounds even greater that later on there might be possibility for another. This is fantastic news but what about the other 12 or so former Norfolk Jet Airport Staff or pherhaps the 7 or so NJE office staff. These workers have either left norfolk, about to leave, had to fall back on a different job or the people who are now out of work. So still its great to hear about the 2 employees
Name: Airline Fares
Email: marty@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 01:31:57 PM
Does this mean that Aussie Tourists will pay $1360 return to Norfolk and Norfolk locals will be subsidised with reduced airline tickets on the same flights? Everyone should have to pay the same prices that way an airline will stay afloat and not go under like Norfolk Jet.
Name: Admin Fares
Email: nothatbad
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 12:38:30 PM
I don't know where everyone has gotten their information re airfares to/from Australia on this forum but the information is NEVER correct. The $1300.00 you are all quoting and getting yourselves so worked up about is more than likely the full economy class ticket. If you want to know the cost pick up the phone and call as Travel Agent!!! In case anyone is interested in the TRUE costings of flights see the following; NLK/SYD/NLK $783.24 incl tax in low season. NLK/SYD/NLK $899.24 incl tax in high season. NLK/BNE/NLK $696.96 incl tax in low season. NLK/BNE/NLK $812.96 incl tax in high season. These prices are subject to change as per availability BUT they are basically available on every flight except the near fully booked out flights. Tax's may increase a little more further down the line but the above prices are out of the system 10 minutes ago! Personally - quite reasonable.
Name: AdminAirline
Email: Staffing@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 12:15:14 PM
FYI, re airport staff; when Norfolk Jet came home to Norfolk and decided to provide the Checkin services themselves the pre-existing staff at the time who also had YEARS of experience and were extremely loyal staff members as well, lost their jobs. These same staff members have been loyal to their employer for the entire time since the loss of the contract and alot of the time only working at checkin once every two weeks. I have also been informed that one of the Norfolk Jet staff members has already been employed and that their could be a possibility a little later on for another member.
Name: Power rules
Email: marty@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 12:00:45 PM
It seems a royal commission should be called to sort out just what has and is still going on with Norfolk Island's administration. There seems to be many comments about the running of the ADMIN and believe that consultation with the inhabitants would be a good start, so the decision making isn't done behind closed doors and can't questioned. Looks like decisions are being made on the run. Why not use staff from Norfolk Jet, the've been working in the industry and they need work. Is it a case of power rules.
Name: airline
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 June 2005
Time: 10:01:36 AM
Who is running the new Goverment Airline, A Nursery/café man, and yet the ex staff of Norfolk Jet who have been doing an outstanding job over the last 8 years have ether left the island or are at home mowing lawns,. This is yet another example of our Governments policy of not utilizing our local expertise.
Name: Tactics
Email: marty@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 June 2005
Time: 10:15:50 PM
Point Taken. We taxpayers in Oz will foot the bill for entertaining ex MP's from Oz on their tour & function at Government House on NI. Who asked the Taxpayers from Oz if that was okay? Still doesn't explain why these freeloaders are getting a cut in their airfares whilst the rest of us pay full price.
Name: One Who Knows
Email: closeby.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 June 2005
Time: 09:40:07 PM
Can't fathom tactics - please get your facts straight. If and when there are functions at Government House hosted by Grant Tambling [not Tampling] - then that should tell you the cost is coming from the Australian Commonwealth coffers - not the NIG, Admin or Norfolk Island. It is really very elementary.
Name: Can't fathom tactics
Email: marty@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 June 2005
Time: 05:04:34 PM
Why is it ADMIN are cutting back on staff overtime when they have gone into the Airline business costing thousands of dollars of your island's bank balance. I am also wondering about the forth coming junket for Australian and New Zealand Past Members of Parliament in December. Why has your island got to foot the bill for a wine & dine function at Government House hosted by Grant Tampling. Why is it that they all get a reduced air fare as well? Something smells rotten about this and should be further investigated.
Name: tellthetruth
Email: tellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 June 2005
Time: 01:24:20 PM
It is now common belief that the Administration has stopped overtime for it'w workers in an effort to save money. This would mean for a lot of workers a pay cut. Are the acting ceo and the minister for finance going to lead by example and take a pay cut similar to those experienced by the front-line workers?
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 June 2005
Time: 01:09:58 PM
Thats great news!! A step closer to getting tourism on Norfolk Island back where it should be. Now all we need is an airline thats not charging $1200 to get there! There is always the new Zealand option - and I am sure it's a lot cheaper than that! He's got a BIG job ahead of him - but with the great success he's had in Thredbo, Norfolks in for an exciting ride!! I congratulate him and welcome him aboard!
Name:
Email: @cascade
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 June 2005
Time: 12:26:23 PM
Tourism chief to spearhead a new era on Norfolk Island. See http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0506/S00316.htm
Name: Rudeness
Email: dontbesorude@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 June 2005
Time: 10:17:28 AM
Some of the submissions to this forum are an absoloute disgrace to our community in general. Who are these people that write as though they are speaking on behalf of the people of Norfolk Island??? If you have a statement or a thought...be considerate, diplomatic and mature. Not everyone needs to share your view!!! Also...threatening comments that are placed on this forum CAN be traced back to the sender.
Name: concernedX2
Email: mybiz@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 June 2005
Time: 08:56:40 AM
to "thats all folks", I suggest YOU get your facts straight; as it IS the ADMIN who is stifling the investigation. You don't know who I am or what info I am in posession of, nor my my involvement in the investigation and Norfolk in general! My advise to you is keep your opinions to a subject that you have at least SOME knowledge of, unless you have some information that can assist the proceedings. As stated previously, the island needs a royal inquest into the carryings on over there!!!
Name: That's All Folks
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2005
Time: 05:26:34 PM
To the previous 2 entries - just be very very careful what accusations you throw around on this forum. I again repeat - liaise with the AFP. Why is it then they [AFP] have ripped up carpets etc from a house where either Australians or Kiwis were residing?????????? if you have all the answers, then you're in the wrong job................even if you are posing as two different people on here!! By the way - we all care very much about the fact the case is not solved and we feel very sorry for Janelle's family - but Rome wasn't built in a day and it is not our fault the Police have not solved the murder - so stick your heads in the sand and mind your bloody business - OKAY????????????
Name: concernedX2
Email: mybiz@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2005
Time: 01:48:20 PM
Well said, concerned! It is a well known FACT that certain people on Norfolk have information that could lead to Janelle's untimely death being solved, least of all, I suspect; is the ADMIN, as any investigation s carried out by the AFP have to be cleard by them first!! Hopefully it won't be long b4 some positive info and light shed on some of these deficiencies! in the mean time; keep praying!!
Name: Concern
Email: Concern@Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2005
Time: 01:31:51 PM
Re last entry, if this is the attitude of locals no wonder there has not been a break through in the case. Yes the murder happened and no one has been charged. You locals can't continue to put your heads in the sand regarding the matter. If co-operation from members of your community had fully taken place her family would be able to get on with their lives and the person who did it would be behind bars and still not on the loose.
Name: That's all folks
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2005
Time: 07:07:36 AM
Hey What's Up - if you have any questions about Ms patton - I suggest you contact the AFP [Australian Federal Police] who are handling the case. Have you heard the old saying "curiosity killed the cat"???????? don't worry about what happens over here. Worry about all the rapes, murders [daily] you have in Australia. Have a good day and keep smiling!
Name: Whats up
Email: whatsup@bigpond.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 June 2005
Time: 04:17:03 PM
I haven't heard anything in regards to the Janelle Patton murder lately. Is it still being investigated??
Name:
Email: aquestion@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 June 2005
Time: 04:09:35 PM
I'm sorry for my second submission. When I opened the forum the second ntime today, my first submission was not there.
Name: A question
Email: aquestion@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 June 2005
Time: 04:07:10 PM
Why was my last submission about the MLA's educational backgrounds taken off the forum today?? It was simply a curiosity question. I just wanted to know if our MLA's are rewquired to have any formal education such as a relevant degree. They have a very special role in our community and government, and I have always wondered where they draw thei knowledge/expereince from.
Name: A question
Email: question@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 June 2005
Time: 02:39:40 PM
I am not meaning to be rude, or disrespectfull, but I have always wondered if our MLA's actually have any relevant education for thie positions? Have any completed degrees in communications, arts, accounting, political etc? Surely this should be a prerequisite for holding a position which demands so much.
Name: statetheobvious
Email: statetheobvious
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 June 2005
Time: 06:16:18 AM
Get rid of the MLA's and go cap in hand to the australian government saying "look, we were wrong, we aren't ready for self governemnt just yet, please help us out..." Negotiate with the australian government so Norfolk retains control over immigration, fishing waters, and other touchy subjects with the local community and start making progress. The GST or NSL or whatever isn't going to work, the governemnt is trying to have it's cake and eat it too. This smacks of people being out of their depth and trying desparately to stay afloat, yet it's going to be you and me who sink trying to keep the island going. It's time to say enough is enough, get us people in charge who know what theyre doing.
Name: Amazed
Email: tourist@Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2005
Time: 09:05:39 PM
Many previous tourists I included will not be back to Norfolk with airline return flights costing so much. Is the Norfolk Island Administration setting out to make themselves a profit? I'd imagine this is going to backfire in a big way. $1300 is too high a price when accommodation and expenses are added plus local GST you are sure killing off the goose that brought your golden eggs- (tourism)!!!
Name:
Email: hoocares@all
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2005
Time: 04:11:31 PM
Yee reap what yea sow!!!!
Name:
Email: 2B@expected
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2005
Time: 04:09:20 PM
Is it not what the admin and certain native islanders want: no tourists and total isolation. After all, the 70 odd millionaires who live on Norfolk don't rely on tourism for an income. Maybe you all will be slaves to the higher classes soon, earning a third world wage!
Name:
Email: nomoretrips_tonorfolk_4me
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2005
Time: 02:50:26 PM
My wife and I were in our local shopping centre this morning. Flight centre has return airfares to Norfolk for $1360. Why would you bother paying that much?? Think your tourist industrys going to suffer bad!!!
Name: expensive
Email: expensive.air.fares
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2005
Time: 07:52:12 AM
It seems sometimes we don’t know what we have till it is gone. The new resident airfares with new higher taxes have been announced. From a low of $781 return to Brisbane in low season to a high of $982 return to Sydney in high season and kids about $150 cheaper.
Name:
Email: @cascade
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 12 June 2005
Time: 07:38:47 PM
Speaking of good news - what about $650,000 in National Heritage Trust funding to introduce a green waste management system. http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Norfolk-Island-to-recycle-green-waste/2005/06/10/1118347582070.html?oneclick=true#
Name: tomcat
Email: happy@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005
Time: 05:46:03 PM
with regard to the latest decisions taken by goverment,i look forward to the future here and aplaud the strong leadership shown,we must focus on the positives and move on.
Name: Beatie
Email: beatie@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005
Time: 04:36:54 PM
Sorry to hear of the downfall of your airline. Not too sure that an airline run by your local government is such a good idea. When finances are not that good re running of the island why take on another problem. It will be interesting to see just how many local government ministers start taking junkets (airline trips) information gathering? Whose going to keep count? It happens in our Federal Government & State Government - are your ministers any different? When government have their paws in the honey jar it could become very tempting to abuse of power. We shall wait and see what happens in the next 12 months. Who came up with the idea to help out the Nauru Government run airline and in turn spend Norfolk's money keeping aircraft in the air be it another island's airline.
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005
Time: 02:18:00 PM
....... http://www.callgate.net/ ........
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005
Time: 02:13:06 PM
Name: Goverment airline
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005
Time: 11:42:51 AM
What is the limit that the Government can spend without it going to tender.
Name: out of pocket
Email: out@of-pocket
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005
Time: 05:50:03 AM
Has the government approved the funding for the airline they are now running? Or is it being paid out of the chief ministers petty cash account ? It seems they have already spent over $350,000 for the first two weeks of operation. It would seem that the Government is going to spend at least a $1,000,000 before they even have fare paying passengers on the airline? For a government that claim they need to introduce a significant and radical new tax impost on the people of the island, this would seem to be money that they do not have. We should be able to look forward to the new cheaper resident fares being talked about, from the same people that bring you cheap $1.50 per minute phone calls to Australia.
Name: unhappy
Email: unhappy
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 06:45:20 PM
It is interesting to listen or read that abc report as Mr Gardener states the government had no other option than to start their own air service. So all the stuff we heard come out of the government about other airlines coming to Norfolk was crap as most of us expected. I think they should all be held accountable for their lies.. Thats right they want the power to dictate to us all thats the next step in the control of the people of Norfolk.
Name:
Email: @cascade
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 05:47:35 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/ra/pacbeat/stories/s1389386.htm NORFOLK: Local government replaces Australia air link Norfolk Island's government has stepped in to arrange an air service to Australia to replace the collapsed Norfolk Jet Express. The company has had a liquidator appointed and still owes a lot of money for landing fees and aircraft leasing. The government of the Australian territory's says it will charter a 737 aircraft from Air Nauru to ensure air links with Sydney and Brisbane are maintained, in order to preserve the island's economically vital tourist industry.
Name: Max
Email: maxine.hughes@griffith.edu.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 02:06:28 PM
Watawieh Yourle? I am booked to fly into Norfolk later this month to attend the careers market at NICS and have been informed by QANTAS that Air Nauru (code sharing with QANTAS) will be taking over the flights for the rest of the year. I dont know who is picking up the tab for this but I for one are sure happy that I will once again be on Norfolk Island, a place I have truly come to love over the 4 years I have been coming. Take Care my Friend - See you in a few weeks Max
Name: unhappy
Email: unhappy
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 11:42:19 AM
They say we should be able to book soon but who knows. Word has it that these planes are costing Norfolk government around $200,000 a week which will end up a lot more expensive than the money owed by NJE. So much for our new airport or any of our roads getting fixed. I cant see any chance of getting cheap airfares with our goverment in charge of the airline
Name: traveler
Email: traveler
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 11:12:35 AM
Some one is pulling someones tit, you still can'nt book a flight to norfolk.
Name: Norfolk "Youth"
Email: yippy-yo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 09:32:17 AM
I think everyone critisising the way "youth" drive around the island should put their foot on the break for a moment and look in the bloody rear view mirror! How many times do you get stuck behind some-one driving what feels to be "really slow", only to look at the speedo and realise they're actually driving 50km/h - shock horror, the speed limit! It is a very rare occurance to get stuck behind a driver, because it is a very rare occurance that islanders drive the speed limit! All yorlye should stop pointing the finger - perhaps we are on the road more often than those older than us, but we're not driving any faster nor more dangerous. Accidents happen. But I've seen many cars driving around with bangs, dents, scratches and a lot more considerable damage - and I can assure you that not all these vehicles are owned by teenagers, and I can also assure you that the damage to these vehicles is not all a result of "teen hooning"!!! Just today I saw a vehicle, registered to administration - missing a bumper! My-oh-my, I wonder how that happened? Bloody hoons on the roads these days.... Come on, give us a break.
Name: Brent Adams
Email: brentadams88@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 08:39:49 AM
Thankyou to Former FA for the nice words said about those that did work for Norfolk Jet Express. It may not be known by many that the Airport Staff had one of the more difficult jobs, we were the public face to NJE, we dealt face to face with disgruntle tourist's when their bags hadn't arrived or when their plane was cancelled due to bad weather. So i thankyou Former FA and to the other NJE staff. cheers
Name: proud christian
Email: carwar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 June 2005
Time: 07:52:30 AM
The Christians of course!
Name: And the winner is...
Email: bounty_day@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 June 2005
Time: 09:19:21 PM
So which family won on Bounty Day?
Name: lovenorfolk
Email: lovenorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 June 2005
Time: 10:29:30 AM
NO QANTAS ARE NOT DOING THIS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT THEY ARE JUST THE CHECKIN AND TICKETING SIDE> OUR GOVERNMENT ARE PAYING OUT OF OUR MONEY TO PAY FOR ALL THE FLIGHTS FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTHS AND HAVE THE SAY ON THE COST OF TICKETS I DONT KNOW HOW THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN RUN AN AIRLINE WHEN THEY CANT RUN OUR GOVERNMENT> BUT LETS WAIT AND SEE WE SHOULD BE GETTING CHEAP FARES AND IF WE DONT WELL IM SURE WE CAN COMPLAIN TO THEM WHAT HAPPENS WITH WEATHER DELAYS I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOSE BEFORE THIS ISLAND IS SO BROKE IT CANT RECOVER
Name: Darls & Colin
Email: you_know_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 09 June 2005
Time: 09:44:08 AM
Thank you to our wonderful USA friends Paul & Monica for the good wishes for Bounty Day. Despite torrential rain - the day was fabulous and everyone enjoyed it very much. We look forward to your email when things have slowed down. Love n' hugs as always.
Name: norpit
Email: edwards2@hotkey.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 June 2005
Time: 04:56:07 PM
News not all bad on 'Bounty Day'!. Air services as per normal on 11th,12th and 14th June using F100. As from 18th June for the next 12 months a B737 service at similar schedules to current service on Wednesday and Saturdays. Note! Wednesday--not Tuesday, and just Saturday--no Sunday. All operated by Qantas using the Air Nauru 737. So good old Qantas back again!, apparently in it's own right. Fares?? guess we will no soon!
Name: Curious
Email: cmartin@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 June 2005
Time: 03:49:02 PM
Dumbing down news of Norfolk Jet Express in liquidation has a lasting problem. When making enquiries at Flight Centre re trip to Norfolk I was handed a brochure which was stating the cost of flights per Norfolk Jet Express and Qantas packages, Flight Centre branches had not be notified of the changes and did not know that Norfolk Jet Express had gone under. When this sort of thing is happening in the Travel Industry how can you maintain regular tourism, when information is not getting to the general public or Travel Companies. Only small articles have been in the Australian Newspapers and very little coverage on TV so not all know what is going on. Hope it doesn't backfire.
Name: booking
Email: here
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 June 2005
Time: 03:09:40 PM
as at 2:30 Wed oz time you still can't book a flight to Norfolk
Name: Tahnie
Email: eatplenty@4me
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 08 June 2005
Time: 10:29:20 AM
Hey yorley, just thought I would wish you all a HAPPY BOUNTY DAY!!! I wish I was there so I el eat plenty...Have a good day and may the beat family win...Go ADAMS'!!!
Name: Paul & Monica
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 08 June 2005
Time: 04:09:45 AM
Happy Bounty Day Darls & Colin! Things have been extremely busy (nothing bad)...non stop, but we will write soon. Please give my cousin, Ensign Able William Dotten Best our best regards on this glorious dae! Love, Paul & Monica HAPPY BOUNTY DAY, NORFOLK ISLAND!!!
Name: Ironside
Email: ironside@lalaw
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 09:11:51 PM
Dear Really Diapointed I think you are going to be diapointed again, nothawt the legal team have won a case yet ask TJ
Name: Media Release
Email: mediarelease@foundthis.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 07:42:36 PM
http://www.gov.nf/MediaReleases/
Name: Ex Hostie
Email: peep@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 05:13:48 PM
Previous entry what a great idea. Perhaps you can make a start collecting all the hot air that must be available at the moment with everyone exploding about the Admin and the demise of Norfolk Jet Express.
Name: how purple was my prose
Email: XXXX
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 04:40:21 PM
to 'formerfa': I'm not having a go or being sarcastic, I'm asking a serious question cos you seem to know what you're talking about. According to this mob http://www.airship-association.org/ airships are the future of mass transportation - for a whole bunch of reasons. Could Norfolk realistically be first cab of the rank and launch it's own airship operations - both owned and operated by locals? Could this service be not both THE most LUXURIOUS and SAFEST air travel on the planet? New Caledonia is part of 'Metropolitan France' and therefore a gateway for the massive EU market into the Pacific - why couldn't Norfolk tap into that?
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 04:26:33 PM
purple prose, no need to be like that? only reason i mentioned the stuff I did, is half the people around think that just any ol airline with any ol aircraft can do it. The facts are, weather, location, navigational aids, and a whole variety of things make norfolk a very tricky place to fly from the australian mainland. I do like your idea of the airship though - I think you should go for it! Imagine, instead of being cramped in a tiny seat, you could have a merry ol time riding round the deck on penny-farthings to the 'ooompah' music being played on the vitrola. But who would be the captain!?
Name: throw the blame
Email: what@ever.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 03:23:35 PM
"A concerned local" dear concerned local, there are not young people speed around the "ROCK" so does half the the island for that matter, and stop blaming the police for their actions,
Name: how purple was my prose
Email: XXXX
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 03:03:23 PM
question for 'formerfa' by my calculations it would take an airship 5.5 hours to travel the 769 kms. from Noumea to Norfolk at an average of 80 knots - operational costs of these are a fraction of those for fixed wing aircraft - is this a viable LONG TERM solution for getting travellers to Norfolk?
Name: too far away
Email: tf@bigpond.net.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 02:48:33 PM
If Norfolk Jet Express is no longer operating they won't be able to pay what the owe NFG! They probably have no assets to sell off so where does that leave the Government, they still won't get the money.
Name: Cranky
Email: cranky@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 01:43:46 PM
I think it is devastating what has happened to Norfolk Jet. I too was incredibly proud of the airline. And yes, I do recognise how much they did for tourism (and the local community) on the Island. However, as sad as this is - you need to look at the whole picture - with ALL feelings aside. The Island is in really bad financial trouble. In fact - so bad that people are wanting Australia to take over (never thought I would see that happen). The NIG needed to find funds ASAP - so whats the best way to get it? Get it from the people that OWE you the money. Norfolk Jet did owe a SUBSTANTIAL amount - an amount that wouldn't get the Island out of financial ruin BUT would assist massively. I just wonder how the NI community would react if this was another international airline that owed this money and NOT Norfolk Jet???
Name: Really Disapointed
Email: yousaid@it
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 01:15:10 PM
You are not suggesting that the government know what they have done, The chief minister not only masterminded the destruction of any hope for NJE but he is currently on a vendetta to wipe out the ART. Why, because the Government didn't like the outcome of rulings from the ART. They want to stop the average person from being able to protest a decision without having to spend 10's of thousdands of $$ and having to lodge a case in the supreme court. The government can easily afford to outfight the average resident because they have access to more money for legal defence than you do (they have your money after all). The government have instructed the crown council to put forward the argument that Norfolk Island residents don't have the right to seperation of power between government and the legal system, a right that every other "free" society has. could almost be classed as an attempt at a dictatorship, but it appears there is 2 or 3 executive members involved, so looks more like a dictatorship by comittee.
Name: Unbelievable
Email: unbelievable@unbelivable.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 12:01:47 PM
Dissappointed?? You said it ! It's unbelieveble to see a what this government has done to their own people. NJE...you'll be missed !
Name: Disappointed
Email: disappointed@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 June 2005
Time: 11:25:52 AM
For 8 years Norfolk Jet has provided flights to/from N.I. Other airlines have come & gone in this time but they persisted. The Norfolk Island Government has succeeded in getting rid of the only airline flying ex Aust and I hope now they are giving the residents of Norfolk free swimming lessons as that maybe their only way of getting to Australia in the near future!! How well was this plan thought through I wonder? The only winners here are the egos of those who pressured the airline out of business. Thank you to the fine efforts of the Norfolk Jet staff on the Island and in Brisbane. You will never find someone else like Perko(Mike Perkins)within an airline who helped put Norfolk on the map as far as great events go. What will happen to the Jazz festival now? It is a sad sad day.
Name: sadtimesahead
Email: islander@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 06:27:04 PM
Thankyou all the staff at NJE and the ground crew for all you have done for this island for 8 years. If it wasn't for you all we would have been worse off as you carried us through when the other airlines decided to give a the flick. Perhaps the whingers have had their day now and will be interesting to see if they have a smile on their face when reality hits. Let them try and start up an airline and see how hard it is, it isn't easy. I feel for all who have lost their jobs, it will be a domino affect from here on in. Good on you Tom, your letter hit the nail on the head.
Name: biggles
Email: noplains@airport.gov.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 06:07:08 PM
ETOPS, extended-range twin-engine operations permits commercial air transports to fly routes that, at some points, are further than a distance of 60 minutes flying time from an emergency or diversion airport, by incorporating specific hardware improvements and establishing specific maintenance and operational procedures. Diversion airports are suitable airport capable of handling a particular ETOPS rated airplane during an emergency landing and whose flying distance at the point of emergency shall not exceed the ETOPS diversion period of that particular airplane. It is, therefore, important that any airports designated as an en route diversion airport have the capabilities, services and facilities to safely support that particular airplane and that the weather conditions at the time of arrival provide a high assurance that safe landing is achievable with an engine and/or systems malfunctioning. An ETOPS flight may only be approved by the ATC if the diversion airports are available throughout the length of the flight. Unavailablity due to bad weather, for example, will be a reason for an inflight rerouting.
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 03:09:08 PM
Just to add to that, etops requires a long term monitoring of the aircrafts reliability - so its not something thats just granted over the phone. I understand that FWI and FWH are the only 2 etops approved Fokker100s in the world...
Name: yes
Email: eyes@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 02:55:36 PM
HAVE PATSY [NJE] NOW SACK ALL ABOVE OPERATIONAL MANAGERS INCLUDING CEO CONTRACT OUT ACCOUNTS SETUP TREAURY
Name: David Lee
Email: vizion@bigpond.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 02:41:19 PM
35 years ago I spent my Honeymoon on Norfolk. We stayed a some self contained units called "Cheryl Flats". I gather these are no longer in operation but was wondering if anyone recalls where they were located and what would be the nearest accomodation to that site? I'm looking to surprise my wife with a return visit for our anniversary later this year.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 02:38:17 PM
the bill is on the way - it must be our money - remember the government doesn't have any!!
Name: the bill is on the way
Email: accounts@gov.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 11:33:46 AM
The bill is in the mail for the government providing flights on the weekend and tomorrow $185,000 What generous MLA's we have, we presume that they put up their own money for this, or did they spend yours ?? I suspect it was yours......
Name: A concerned local
Email: concernedislander@therock
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 11:04:33 AM
Just thought I would express my opinion yorley about the way the kids are driving around the ROCK!!! Look at Little Jake and hubble for example, they didnt even get a slap on the wrist after their accident. The cops need to start putting their foot down and taking cars away from people or giving them fines..it is sad to sit back and hear about all the accidents that happen on the weekends....Slow down guys before we loose another younge islander
Name: etops
Email: etops@etops
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 10:39:07 AM
etops is to do with operation of an aircraft over water, and refers to how far the aircraft can be from land if it has an engine failure. I understand the f100 has 90min etops which means it can only fly 90mins max distance(flying on one engine) from an operational airport. I believe only 2 of the alliance f100 aircraft have etops the rest are not permited to fly to Norfolk. I believe the 737 of air naurau has 120min etops which means max distance it can fly 2hours (on one engine) from an operational airport. Not really a stupid question, but you just can't take any aeroplane capable of flying to Norfolk and fly it with passengers, it has to have etops for the range to the island. Etops varies from operator and aircraft many aircraft that only fly on the mainland don't require or have any etops.
Name: havnt got a clue
Email: caawaa@caawaa
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 10:20:02 AM
For the stupid and ill formed can someone please tell me what an etop is??????????
Name: broke
Email: broke
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 09:20:24 AM
Well so much for the governments plan of making people pay we are the ones that have to pay. How much did the legals cost in both court cases so far both which the government lost. Then how much did the planes cost on the weekend and looks like next weekend they will have to pay for more planes. So much for good governing they just cost the island more than the Debt Norfolk Jet owed them to begin with. Now we are truely in trouble on this island God help us all. Lets hope this isnt the end of the island not just Norfolk Jet.
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 03:01:52 AM
Found some info, dont know if it means anything... Jetstar australia are trying to bring forward the introduction of intl services. The agreements they have with current staff dont allow that at present, and they dont have etops yet. Both processes would take more time than they probably want to spend. Jetconnect, which operates Boeing 737-300s as Qantas NZ, operates on an unbelieveably low cost base. There has been lots of talk that Jetconnect will be rebranded Jetstar NZ, much in the same way Impulse was branded Jetstar Australia. Now for the interesting stuff! Go to: www.jetstar.co.nz (yeah, no jetstar in nz yet, but - soon will be!) Then: On the menu bar at the top, hover over flight info and on the menu that appears below click on route map. In the first few seconds after the route map pops up, it displays intl routes- which jetstar dont do. (Revealing a bit unintentionally and prematurely).. The map fairly quickly refreshes and displays only the australian routes... The map appears to display BNE/SYD to NLK, as well as a central coast location (possibly Coffs Harbour or Newcastle) to NLK. The location of the destination on the map is too north and west to be NZ (inline with brisbane which is too high for nz, but just right for NLK). Dont ask me about the viability of a NLK-central coast flight!? Perhaps it will be Jetstar NZ, operated by Jetconnect, which is what I originally thought it might be. The aircraft (737-300) are PERFECT for NLK, with much the same costs as the F100, but more space for cargo, pax = discount fares, and fuel for approaches. Slightly smaller than air nauru.
Name: disappointed
Email: greenisle05@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 June 2005
Time: 02:03:31 AM
I am a Norfolk Islander and damn proud to be one. It saddens me to think that such a beautiful place can be home to such hatred, gossip and plain old jealousy - enough to bring down the only thing that has kept the Islands tourism industry afloat for the last 8 years. What a way for Norfolk Jet to spend their 8th birthday! I hope the governement and its supporters are happy - because i'm sure there are a hell of a lot of people who aren't. Nothing in this world is perfect. Every airline has delayed luggage,unhappy passengers and freight restrictions and yes they have expensive airfares too - but the rest of the world doesn't complain as much as some of those that live on Norfolk. The only reason you notice these things is because it is a small community and people talk. Has the plane not come week in, week out for months, years now? You can't fight rules, regulations and weather - Norfolk Jet isnt god........ Norfolk Jet didn't have to support local charities and give away hundreds of prizes and freebies. Nor did they have to bring world class acts to the rock for the enjoyment of the visitors and locals. But they did (without much thanks) because they had Norfolk and it's people at heart.... I've never seen the government give the community anything to enjoy. I wish the government luck in finding a more dedicated airline. Reality is - there is NO guarantee the airfares will be any cheaper and the next airline won't be run by locals or have Norfolk's interest at heart. Nor will the company be as dedicated or as generous. We will become a part of the everyday aviation world - where nobody cares if the mail, freight or people make it or not - Norfolk will just be another statistic on the busy flying schedule..... To all the staff in Brisbane and on Norfolk who have put their lives on hold at times to make sure the locals and visitors received the service they deserved - my heart goes out to you all. To the government and those who wanted to get rid of Norfolk Jet - You don't know what you have until its gone!!!"
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 05 June 2005
Time: 04:02:44 PM
purple prose, an idea, but the tricky thing is finding an airline with etops approval to do the flight. Virgin don't have it, their NZ offshoot Pacific Blue do, but I understand their aircraft are too heavy for the NLK runway, plus, with 180 seats and the fares they charge they generally need high load factors to make it work - not impossible especially if the market is stimulated by low fares.. The marketing these carriers do also is usually a big benefit. As for Jetstar, they dont have etops yet - they are going for it, but their A320s need to be in service for over 12months to gain approval - and the A320s would probably have a tyre pressure too high for the nlk runway (going by what ive heard) - unless they could get etops on the 717s (looks like the F100, but more room for bags and about 10 years younger). The only other options would be Alliance picking up the service in their own right - which is possible, but Alliance prefer not to operate regular public transport in their own right, prefering charter arrangements like Norfolk Jet/their other contracts... Air NZ maybe? Or perhaps Qantas NZ (jetconnect)... My guesses, but hey will be interesting to see... Regional Pacific operate brasillias as their biggest, 30 seater turboprops... Probably wouldnt be too popular...
Name: 007
Email: you_can_be_traced
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 05 June 2005
Time: 02:28:01 PM
Robyn Ralph - stick a sock in it and get your facts straight. How sad it must be coming on here under another name. I hope I won't have to expose you............it can be done!
Name: Robyn Ralph
Email: ralphrobyn@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 05 June 2005
Time: 12:27:14 PM
Well the final nail in the coffin has been hammered. What now? Perhaps its time for the Australian Government to take over the running of Norfolk Island. No flights from Australia to Norfolk Island from Tuesday, what a disaster! Perhaps this situation would not have happened if the airline had been made to pay up on time and not been able to accumulate debt. Whose fault is that eh? The murderer of Janelle Patton still on the loose years after the dreadful event on Norfolk does not make tourists keen to come your way. Life goes on, yes but the event will stay in peoples minds for ever, who ever did this may do it again in the future. Everyone is a target if the one that did the act goes off the rails again one day soon.
Name: gone@nf
Email: gone@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 05 June 2005
Time: 11:41:37 AM
looks like the chief minister beat the finance minister to be the one to finish off the islands economy!
Name:
Email: worried_about_our_economy@norfolk.nf
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Sunday, 05 June 2005
Time: 08:54:44 AM
Nottelling. It is a pity that it has had to come to this, it will be detrimental to the Island economy in many ways. Everyone and I mean everyone will end up feeling the pinch. So it would seem that we have another airline organised to take over but we hear that it may only be able to fly in from Brisbane not Sydney. How does that help the Island, when alot of people come from Melbourne to Sydney and on. I hope for all our sakes that we do get an airline to come to Norfolk, but one that can provide instant service and meet all of the requirements not just a half service.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 09:59:03 PM
at least the debt won't be getting any bigger
Name: Bemused
Email: arivaderci@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 07:58:08 PM
Hey Not telling, I don't think anyone is criticising the attempts to recover overdue debts or disputing the governments right to do so. However a company that ceases to trade is unlikely to repay any of the monies owing. How does that help an already dire economic situation ????
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 07:19:21 PM
to all the people critisising the government, you all seem to know a great deal about the financial situation of the island. instead of slinging mud in every possible direction, how about offering some ideas of your own on how to get the island out of the red? The government has no money. They have people and companies who owe them thousands and thousands of dollars in unpaid dues. What is wrong with chasing debt? Are you all saying that even though the government has no money, that they should cancel all their debts to keep the island afloat? How is that going to work?
Name: how purple was my prose
Email: XXXX
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 01:30:46 PM
why not outsource? http://www.regionalaviation.com/profile.html
Name: ozzie ozzie
Email: comeonozzie.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 11:44:44 AM
Come on Ozzie Come on
Name:
Email: worried_about_our_economy@norfolk.nf
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 10:36:55 AM
So what can we say. The island is stuffed by the government yet again. Has the government really thought all this through. So you may have wanted the proprietor and the airline out but have you actually got in writing that another airline will definitely take over the run. Don't you think the government may have cut their nose off to spite their face. Ok yes bills need to be paid but at the detriment of the Island. From the scuttlebug at the local pubs last night, it would seem that even that some of the locals agree, and dare i say it are now talking about leaving Island. How many people have lost their jobs in the last couple of days, Airline staff. Many others have either had their hours cut or face the prospect of losing their jobs in the next few weeks. Even if we do get an airline (supposedly by the next weekend)how long is it going to take for the island to recover. Have the government thought about the cost of advertising to try to keep the island in the market. Are people going to be willing to fly here at all. Even with a new airline it may take a couple of years (remember Dengie Fever) for things to get up and away again, can the island afford to wait that long.If the Government was so concerned about oustanding debts owed by the Airline. WHY did they let it go on for so long. If the government supposedly has no spare money who is paying for the planes this weekend and Tuesday???????????? So what are the sporting events going to be like this year, How many people will be coming to Opera in the Runes, Will Norfolk Island even be represented at the Games in March next year. The Norfolk people may have just lost respect for their government. To minimise the impact to the Norfolk Island Economy, the minister need to go cap in hand back to the proprietor.
Name: unsure
Email: unsure@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 04 June 2005
Time: 08:23:12 AM
is the gov trying to make the airline a new gbe ?
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 June 2005
Time: 11:46:53 PM
Kiri, cam, trent, brent, nikki and all the other wonderful ground crew out there at norfolk - Sorry to hear about Norfolk Jet. Hope it all works out for you guys. You guys were always by far the best, friendlies, and most efficient ground crew we had anywhere on the alliance network... Better than our own staff in townsville (you got more teeth for one!)... I hope everyone on norfolk knows what they have in you guys - the most professional, dedicated and competant ground crew you can find anywhere... You guys could show Qantas a thing or two about their own systems! All the crew ive spoken to send their best wishes - although some of them may end up losing their jobs too. Gone from a dire lack of crew to a major overstaffing. All the best - from that FA who loved seeing yas every turnaround!
Name: sticky fingers
Email: sf@aapt.com.net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 June 2005
Time: 08:27:41 PM
Robyn Ralph, I can tell you where it leaves ticket holders (when the airline has a problem) because I lost an airfare about 4 years ago along with many other people on Norfolk Island (including tourists) and I wasn't a tourist. You have to purchase another ticket and the one you have prepaid is worthless. And then you get a lot of meaningless letters from administrators who are appointed to the company.....but forget about getting a refund because ticket holders are at the bottom of the pack when it comes to creditors getting pay outs.
Name: Ticket prices
Email: onNorfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 June 2005
Time: 08:44:29 AM
You Tell Me, the airline in question rarely has full seat occupancy they are just purely greedy. Norfolk Jet are basically the ONLY airline in the world that it is more expensive to book a date further out. With any other airline the earlier you book your flight the cheaper the seats. With Norfolk Jet the earlier you book the more expensive. Believe me - this IS A FACT!! The marketing strategy behind it all means that the aircraft has more higher paying passengers ticketed early and then around about a month or two out they calculate how many cheap seats the can afford to sell and then release them into the booking system! For Low Fares follow this system; Any other airline - Book Early Norfolk Jet - Book Late
Name: YouTellMe
Email: reality@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 June 2005
Time: 11:07:02 PM
Dear deluded last poster, it's called supply and demand. Book the last seat on any airline and they will charge the full published fare. Flexible with your dates ? Better fares available. It ain't rocket science, just basic economics !
Name: robyn ralph
Email: ralphrobyn@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 June 2005
Time: 11:06:21 PM
Seems airline tickets charged at such outrageous amounts will surely be the end of your tourism. The accommodation costs are also highly inflated - tourists may soon decide to take their money elsewhere, if this continues. If the Airline goes bust, just where would that leave customers who have prebooked travel?
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 June 2005
Time: 07:28:08 PM
re Islander and your comments regarding the other airlines - how many of the other airlines charged $1200 for a ticket?
Name: Islander
Email: islander@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 June 2005
Time: 03:59:05 PM
RE: Norfolk Jet 1. YES ... everyone is complaining about the prices and the monopoly. 2. YES ... everyone is complaining about the delays in freight and mail. 3. YES ... many are screaming for Norfolk Jet to go down and another airline like Jetstar, Virgin Blue or the likes to step in. Have many people just stopped though to THANK Norfolk Jet for: 1. NOT pulling out on the Norfolk run when the 'other airlines' have pulled out before. The 'other airlines' don't have vested interests here do they. 2. Employing so many locals and supporting the local community. 3. Helping with charitable organisations and fundraisers with free airfares for tickets etc. I too, have become at times frustrated with Norfolk Jet, but hey, they are still with us and they are NORFOLK"S airline and WE ALL should stop the 'tall poppy syndrome' and support them. If Norfolk Jet goes under, stop and think of ALL the people that will be affected .... the list is long....AND IT WILL AFFECT YOU!!!! And as for being frustrated, well it doesn't last long for me as I remember last year when I had to fly away for medical reasons to the mainland. Norfolk Jet were so very very helpful and supportive to me and my family. Sharyn in particular was exceptional in her service and that is something that is unique to Norfolk. I'll never forget that.
Name: Trying times for Norfolk Island
Email: Be_Aware_People
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 June 2005
Time: 02:27:55 PM
With the decline of an airline, there are going to be hard times ahead for all people on the island........ sooo start watching where and how you spend your money.
Name: yes
Email: eyes@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 June 2005
Time: 10:46:35 AM
IF YOU WISH TO DOWNSIZE ADMIN AND APPLY NSL WITHOUT BLAME,IMPLODE THE TOURIST INDUSTRY
Name: bf2
Email: bf2
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 01 June 2005
Time: 11:57:48 PM
http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef/viewtopic.php?t=1920 for bf2
Name: Outyenna
Email: es_true_doh@airfares.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 01 June 2005
Time: 03:20:07 PM
But es true doh, yorley! Dem airfares es ridiculously high and it may not happen straight away, but the price of the airfares are going to slowly strangle the flow of tourists and returning islanders that go to Norfolk fe holidays. We can't afford to pay for those priced airfares. And if you have more than one person travelling with you, you're talking a couple of thousand dollars as easy as that jes to travel to an island inbetween Australia and New Zealand. Ef Norfolk was situated over the other side of the world, than it would be a different story. I nor wunt to bag anyone, but jes trying to give some constructive criticism! En sometimes et nor hutt fe yar some of these comments. But jes make it constructive criticism. Hopefully they will take note of your comments and lower the airfares!
Name: robyn ralph
Email: ralphrobyn@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 01 June 2005
Time: 03:00:09 PM
Missing entries in Forum. Perhaps someone is worried that more tourists may hear of the problems besetting your Norfolk Airline. If those that have pre paid for holidays to Norfolk get a wind of what is going on I'd say they would be pretty concerned, don't they have a right to know????
Name: Robyn Ralph
Email: ralphrobyn@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 01 June 2005
Time: 02:53:19 PM
Seems that comment re Norfolk Airline is being edited. Is our right of comment (free speech) being stopped by the powers to be?
Name: Cranky
Email: wakeup@people.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 01 June 2005
Time: 01:38:46 PM
Where has the last 24 hours of entries gone? Interesting that they just seem to have disappeared?!
Name: Dae
Email: ya.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 31 May 2005
Time: 10:49:39 AM.
NSL = Norfolks' Sinking Levy Nether Stupid Levy Now Sinking Levy
Name: try dea
Email: kahbeatett
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 31 May 2005
Time: 08:07:57 AM
the NSL is No Sustainable Life
Name: NSL
Email: new1
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 31 May 2005
Time: 08:05:55 AM
NSL = Nobbs Staunch Legacy
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 30 May 2005
Time: 06:58:10 PM
Here's something just for fun - what does NSL REALLY stand for? Let us all know your views. Norfolk Suicide Levy: 'Nuther Silly Levy: Never Say Listen
Name: kettle
Email: blackasbuggery
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 29 May 2005
Time: 04:13:32 PM
"otherwise this forum is only for whingers who hide behind their anonimity!" - you mean like 'lone rider' for example?
Name: Lone rider
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 28 May 2005
Time: 07:33:58 PM
Seems that there is plenty of people who have an opinion, but no one who is willing to stand up and fight for the island. Put your necks on the line and DO something, otherwise this forum is only for whingers who hide behind their anonimity!
Name: The Copes
Email: paulcope@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 27 May 2005
Time: 09:38:55 PM
Neil, Cam and Poohah, our sincere condolences on the loss of your wife and mother, Debbie. Too young, too much yet to do and taken away in the prime of her life. Life in the 'Paddock' will be sad for some time. Our thoughts are with all the family. Paul, Hayden and the Copes in Sydney.
Name: zenmeister
Email: O.O
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Friday, 27 May 2005
Time: 04:39:54 PM
a forum dedicated to silently ignoring reality - ai laik'ett!!
Name: Nor Wunt
Email: norwunt.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 26 May 2005
Time: 08:53:18 PM
It has been a very sad couple of weeks with the deaths of some of our wonderful islanders...... and young ones too. It is about time submitters on this forum get a life, be positive and stop and count their blessings instead of being so damned negative and outright nasty. It is quite a treat to have had silence on here.
Name: pilly up a tree
Email: ktwaldo@hotmail.com
Country: Canada
Date: Thursday, 26 May 2005
Time: 02:22:46 PM
Hey - what's goss. Write to us......
Name: yeah
Email: FarOut
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 24 May 2005
Time: 08:52:27 PM
whats dar i ya tull ?......... kah wuts set bruda, sim es ar thing we gwen moosa fine out. en sim es dar witch hunt se begin, so watch dea side fe dem ansus. gwen strike a wind outa sum dem out dea thought dem nort know we know. Dem gwen run hide.
Name: ucklan
Email: NI
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 23 May 2005
Time: 11:24:37 PM
perhaps we should start asking about a certain minister and his CONFLICTS of interest
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: address@ni
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 23 May 2005
Time: 01:08:26 PM
Hi Karen, You basically have enough details to get in touch with her! I don't have her specific details but I am sure if you sent it to the details you have, it would get to her. Everyone knows everyone. Whether you address it to her directly at Rocky Point or to Foodlands - it will get there. Thats the great thing about Norfolk!
Name: Viscount James Bryce
Email: brycey@ozemail.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 22 May 2005
Time: 03:31:57 PM
"past TEP": There is NO provision for Citizen Initiated Referenda in ANY part of the Commonwealth of Australia APART FROM it's tenuous-territory of Norfolk Island. [See George Williams and Geraldine Chin, “The Failure of Citizens’ Initiated Referenda Proposals in Australia: New Directions for Popular Participation?” (2000) 35 Australian Journal of Political Science p27.] C.I.R. was introduced in Switzerland over 100 years ago at the Federal level. Following its success in Switzerland, Alfred Deakin argued for its adoption into the Australian Constitution at the time of it's formation. Deakin's proposal was defeated by one vote. In 1902 the introduction of C.I.R. became part of the ALP Platform and remained there until removed at the Party's Perth Conference in 1963; it was discarded at the behest of a motion, by none other than Don Dunstan. What most Australian's don't realize is that the influence of the American Constitution was overwhelmingly decisive, in the creation of its antipodean counterpart; & there has NEVER been any provision for the holding of referendums at the federal level in the United States. That would be taking power away from the corporations & giving it to "we the people". Most Australians think that the word "Commonwealth" came directly from Cromwell's Republic; as well known to the Australian Founding Fathers, as to Queen Victoria - who hated it. But there is still extant a letter that Edmund Barton wrote to James Bryce whose book 'The American Commonwealth' was once the definitive analysis of the United States Constitution. Barton informed Bryce: "I fancy the Convention adopted the title 'Commonwealth' directly from your pages". To fully understand the Australian Federal Constitution (which is really an excerpt from Bryce's book, please see: Viscount James Bryce, 'The American Commonwealth' http://oll.libertyfund.org/Home3/Book.php?recordID=0004.01
Name: past TEP
Email: lingus069@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 22 May 2005
Time: 07:07:56 AM
Other; Yes, we do have the right to force the hand of the government. All that is required is for a percentage of the population to align themselves under a common cause, sign a petition asking for a referendum, and the govt. HAS to comply. After all; what is the point of voting people in if we can't control them? The Govt. does'nt want us to know our rights. Govt. is about restricting the rights of the individual and making decisions for our own good!! Case in point: common law.
Name: other
Email: eliass@ipromus.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 21 May 2005
Time: 09:39:11 PM
Past Tep, the people of the Commonwealth do not have the power to call referenda - the Parliament only has that power and it is only ever used to change Constitutional Law.
Name: Karen
Email: me_xstitch@yahoo.com
Country: Canada
Date: Saturday, 21 May 2005
Time: 08:52:36 AM
Hi from Canada. I have a good internet friend by the name of Jillian A. Nobbs from Rocky Point, Norfolk Island who was employed by the Foodland Supermarket at Norfolk Mall in Burnt Pine. I have lost touch with her though my own serious illness and computer difficulties, and am TRYing to renew my contact with her. Please? Does she still live on the island? Does anyone have a forwarding address you can send to me? Or if you have contact with her, please, will you let her know to write me? I hope you can help me. Thanks so much!
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 20 May 2005
Time: 07:27:20 PM
PastTEP, the only problem with referendums on Norfolk is the Government only takes notice of the results when it suits them. I feel that if the government passed a law that made following the results of a referendum compulsory, then maybe they will follow the wishes of the people more closely.
Name: past TEP
Email: lingus069@yahoo.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 20 May 2005
Time: 10:47:31 AM
The people of the commonwealth have the power to call a referendum on any decision or action or law passed by the powers that be. Might be time to use it, eh?
Name: ripped off
Email: reach
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 20 May 2005
Time: 12:11:13 AM
Dale, the island is currently being ripped off by a satellite carrier that services the island for the Government. As soon as the Government of the island addresses this issue i am sure internet, VOIP and IDD phone calls to and fro the island will be cheaper. The Government is trying to stop NIDS, who is in competition with supplying Internet connection for the people of the island. They are barking up the wrong tree. The Government should be questioning Reach on why it is so expensive rather than stopping competition. So to state it by fact. The people of the island are being ripped off. I have never seen anything handed out by REACH in the past. They have never given anything back to the island at all. My last words is "Justice prevails". Yours ETC.... fly on the wall
Name: Dale Reardon
Email: dale@dalereardon.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 19 May 2005
Time: 08:14:40 PM
Hi,My wife and I have stayed on Norfolk about 7 times and I was about to book another holiday (we are the exception to the general oldies as we are only 35) but discovered that only last month Qantas stopped allowing frequent flyer tickets to Norfolk. Qantas tells me Norfolk Jet didn't want to stay in the scheme. I guess NJ wasn't getting paid enough for the flights in their opinion. This is very unfortunate as the airfares are expensive from Western Australia and I have used frequent flyer tickets many times before. I can get to New Zealand on frequent flyer tickets and may then fly from there to Norfolk as it is much cheaper. However the airfare situation really needs addressing. Also we love the Norfolk culture and people and hope that remains. It is part of Norfolk's charm. I do have convict relatives buried on Norfolk and therefore feel an affinity with the Island. Also when Norfolk is considering a GST it may not raise as much as you think if you are going to treat tourists like they are treated in Australia. In Australia if a tourist (or Australian for that matter) purchases physical items worth more than $300 in total (could be wrong on that total) then once those items are taken out of Australia you can claim all the GST back. The EU does this also as we claimed all our VAT back when travelled to London and Ireland previously. Of course tourists would still pay GST on food and accommodation but all that nice perfume, electronics etc would have to be GST exempt to remain competitive with the mainland. I would love to live on Norfolk one day so hopefully you will all retain its character. Hopefully we will be there soon but when we have enough points for business class to Europe and can't even get a flight to Norfolk it is a shame - NJ could have increased the points required rather than axing it altogether. Also there are many ways around the expensive phone calls - VOIP over internet, get a calling card from an Australian or US carrier (I always use one of those when travel to Norfolk) And now you can get a satellite internet connection and even satellite phone calls are now only 60c per minute in Australia with Vodafone. Dale.
Name: Karen
Email: sean_karen_walsh@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 19 May 2005
Time: 03:32:58 PM
We heard the tragic news this morning about Deb Christian Our hearts goes out to Neil, my darling Cam and Poohah, so deeply sorry yorley, our thoughts are with you Love Bri Kevin Kas and Family
Name: Your Norfolk Friends
Email: onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2005
Time: 03:38:53 PM
Thank you to our wonderful dear friends Paul & Monica in Linden Virginia, for your kind message to Elaine's family. I will ensure the message is passed on.
Name: Paul & Monica
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2005
Time: 01:48:48 PM
Our most sincere condolences go out to Elaine's family... God bless, Paul & Monica
Name: the stork
Email: fam@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 12 May 2005
Time: 12:48:40 AM
Well done Karen and Thommo on the birth of your new boy, Elias - 11 / 5 /05. Yorlye done good.
Name: norpit
Email: edwards2@hotkey.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 11 May 2005
Time: 09:59:31 AM
Travel to NLK from Melbourne is now more than ever out of reach of most who wish to visit. Just checked out cheapest in June (after Bounty day) with Qantas/NJE is A$1191. For those from Melbourne it is certainly much cheaper through AKL especially using Emirates (across the Tasman)who still give fabulous service and seats are almost always available. When we were on NLK in Feb an additional funding for promotion of Tourism was approved. In Melbourne certainly over the last 8 weeks in our Travel Supplement in Melbournes Sunday Sun, we have not seen the words Norfolk Island even once!
Name: Last post on Pot holes
Email: fin@ultra.mail.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2005
Time: 03:58:56 PM
About time the pot holes where filled with metal and tar...... maybe they have come to some idea that gravel by itself doesnt work...... yeaaaaaa
Name: someonewhoknows
Email: seenit@admin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2005
Time: 07:43:23 AM
re admins post of a workplace psychopath, they sound very familiar. The problem I find with people on Norfolk, and it's not a bad trait, is that Islanders like to think the best of people, and this makes it easier for the psychopaths to get away with what they do. Keep your eyes open people, and don't let these people get to you.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2005
Time: 07:38:43 AM
why doesn't our esteemed minister for finance approach the australian government for advice before plunging norfolk into a festering pool of financial uncertainty? It wouldn't hurt, plus he would get advice from people who have been there, done that and have come across all the pitfalls and problems that norfolk island is bound to hit, and have found and IMPLEMENTED the solutions. Surely it would make the transition easier from a non GST (whoops, sorry, NSL) society to one with the tax implemented.
Name: desparation
Email: pleasehelpusmrhoward@ohno.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 08 May 2005
Time: 07:53:35 PM
How long will it be before we go cap in hand to australia asking them to bail us out of this gst mess?
Name: GST update
Email: news@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 06 May 2005
Time: 01:01:44 PM
Norfolk Is residents face GST Friday, 6 May 2005. 11:00 (AEDT)Friday, 6 May 2005. 08:00 (AWST) Residents on Norfolk Island should be paying a goods and services tax (GST) by the end of the year. People living on the island do not have to pay income, payroll or property tax. The Norfolk Island Government currently raises revenue through custom duties, accommodation, banking and airport departure fees. Under the new system, current levies will be scrapped and replaced with the Norfolk sustainability levy, a tax that will apply to all goods and services. Norfolk Island Finance Minister Ron Nobbs says the new levy will probably be adopted this July. "We would hope that the levy once it goes on will be as fair as possible, but I give an undertaking that if we find out it's more than what we anticipate as our requirements, the levy will be reviewed," he said. The Norfolk Island Government is yet to reveal how much the tax will be.
Name: admin
Email: ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 06 May 2005
Time: 10:12:00 AM
To all the admin workers who read this forum. The Workplace psychopath. Does the following person sound familiar? * He/she can be found working inside many of Australia's businesses and corporations. * He/she intimidates fellow workers * He/she exhibits impulsive behaviour * He/she demonstrates a lack of remorse * He/she is glib and superficially charming So who is he/she? Workplace psychopaths exist in a variety of workplaces. They are individuals who manipulate their way through life and leave an indelible mark on both their victims and society. They are destructive men and women - cunning, self-centered, ruthless and terrifying. They make working life a living hell for many of us. What motivates these individuals? How can you protect yourself from these 'monsters' who hide behind a veneer of respectability? Don't be a victim - be wise to their tricks!
Name: Bounty day
Email: bounty@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 05 May 2005
Time: 12:59:22 PM
8th of June
Name: Vanese
Email: outyenna@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 05 May 2005
Time: 09:54:05 AM
Hey, when is Bounty Day this year?
Name: HOME
Email: HOME
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 04 May 2005
Time: 04:42:06 PM
all said and done................ we nor moosa want and new tax or GST here................................we gut nuff already by george...kah do fe guts any more bruda
Name: An Islander, Local - all that
Email: dar_flap@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 03:28:08 PM
Suggestions - I know you weren't having a go at me and that you were interested in my suggestions. I am sorry if my reply appeared aggressive. I didn't mean it to be. Thanks for your comments :)
Name: Suggestions
Email: Suggest@ions
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 03:12:43 PM
"An Islander, Local - all that" - and before I wasn't having a go at you when I asked what would you like to talk about on this forum. I was merely interested in what suggestions you would come up with!
Name: Suggestions
Email: suggest@ions
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 02:51:57 PM
"An Islander, Local - all that" - yes, I agree the forum shouldn't be so negative. But also it's a way of airing one's opinions/thoughts about something in particular. But yes, one should try and keep it constructive. Sometimes one's post may be pretty aggressive, but as long as it is constructive and not putting down someone else at their expense!
Name: An Islander, Local - all that
Email: dar_flap@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 02:42:08 PM
Suggestions - Positive and constructive comments to entice visitors here. Surely you agree with this. This should not be a political forum. You would be anazed at how many visitors pass comment on the comments that are placed on here. Show me a link to another country's forum where you read the same crap as what gets put on here. I look forward to reading it.
Name: Suggestions
Email: suggest@ions
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 02:22:26 PM
"An Islander, Local - all that" - well what would you like to talk about on this forum?
Name: An Islander, Local - all that
Email: dar_flap@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 10:21:16 AM
Visitor - I agree with you wholeheartedly. For a great deal of us islanders, it is rather embarrassing some of the crap that goes up on this forum, and no doubt potential visitors read this site, then think no way do we want to go to an island where people seem unfriendly, unsettled and outright nasty. But hats off to those [very few] who sign their names and submit constructive comments. I choose to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but I do wish NIDS would delete some of the jargon that they allow to stay on here. Great advertisement for the visitors.
Name: Tintolla
Email: tintolla@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 09:40:33 AM
"Goode fe yurrett" - in response to your last post, if you re-read my post about the GST, I am actually against it! Who said I was FOR the GST??! Maybe you should re-read my comment again and then think about your comment and hopefully come to some sense, instead of raving on like a chook without a head!
Name: born and bred
Email: wetls@hotmail
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2005
Time: 09:04:56 AM
Visitor no offense please but you seem to be a bit hypocritical you have just thrown a negative at a negative this is one persons opinion not all locals.
Name: visitor
Email: visitor
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 02 May 2005
Time: 09:21:28 PM
with regards to the comments on the last post, no wonder people don't want to say anything, if this is how locals respond to people trying to make the island a better place for all. take note at the top of the adding to the forum page - "Please make sure all entries are constructive and not Personal".
Name: goode fe yurett
Email: wal@done
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 02 May 2005
Time: 08:55:03 PM
sorry myse post es fe dem two 'mard ippy' en 'tintolla' we nor mussa need tax of any kind or ya. You hata be joken. tek use GST and TAX en stick et side ar sun nor moosa shine.
Name: goode fe yurett
Email: wal@done.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 02 May 2005
Time: 08:48:17 PM
es music gwen a fulla's ears fe read wuthen dem last two posts se write. Kha beat ett, wal dun es goodun fe see yourley thinken bout how fe improve awa's side. Jes hopen dem down a town gwen read ett ulla see dea forum. we need more sim es dar fe trien get ea side back nora feet. Poor norfolk sim es ar titanic, gwen unda fars.
Name: noGST
Email: noGST
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 02 May 2005
Time: 08:47:47 PM
In response to Mard Ippy, I wasn't talking about healthcare or telecom, I was referring to roads, customs, electricity etc. We all know the reasons for the high price toll calls, for healthcare, etc, and if we want to use a telephone, or not get $30,000 hospital bills then we don't have much choice. But for everyday use, such as those mentioned above, I feel an income tax would be better off than a GST. I do agree with Mard Ippy however, that the bigwigs at Admin should take more care what they do with our money. We all know about the consultants and committees of "experts" that are employed by admin on a regular basis. Perhaps instead of making do with acting management the Assembly could make a priority of getting a CEO and Directors who have a PROVEN track record in bringing LARGE organisations out of the doldrums. But, and there is always a but, no-one will be able to do anything without spending money to correct the stuff-ups that have already happened, and they can't do that unless they have the money in the first place. An income tax would enable the government to accurately estimate a major part of its income over the next financial year, as opposed to waiting for the money to roll in from sales, and then figuring out what to do with it. As per tintolla's comments re the dole, who said that when people pay income tax the governemnt HAS to provide the dole? If we were paying the same rates of tax on the mainland, yes, I would say they should, but if the governement implemented income tax at a lower rate, they would still get an income, but just make sure that a dole system doesn't exist. That could be the trade-off against a higher income tax rate.
Name: Tintolla
Email: tintolla@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 02 May 2005
Time: 06:21:20 PM
Norfolk government has made some stupid decisions. Remember, they said 'No' to building a harbour and it was going to be built for free! It wouldn't have cost them a cent in building a harbour! And why on earth you would say 'No' especially when it was going to be for free? That was a golden opportunity gone down the drain! So if Norfolk introduces GST to the island, what sort of projects are they going to put the money towards? They had better be up front and honest and tulla yorley wuthin dem plan fe do with all that exra money! Better not go toward buying the governor and his family a car each! If they do introduce the GST, that extra money should be put toward funding the hopsital as he really needs refurbishing and renovating and probably update in medical equipment and possibly recruit more medical staff, look at making the roads on the island decent to drive on instead of filling it with gravel and 2 weeks later you're back to square one! But most of all it should be funded fairly towards projects that will benefit everyone, instead of going to the top person who ends up spending it wastefully. Are yorley prepared to pay dole bludgers who bludge off the dole from your tax paying dollars?? It happens over here in aussie. We pay so much tax, and some people simply sponge off the dole at our expense! Do yorley want to really encourage that?
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 02 May 2005
Time: 05:50:13 PM
I think income tax should be the LAST resort. As people have said before there needs to be massive changes down in Admin. Admin needs to go through EVERYTHING including it's staff, future projects and take the "Do we really need" approach on everything! Breaking the "yes definatelys" and the "not reallys" apart could save thousands and it highlights the money wasting ventures. Once this is done - the governement then needs analyse all of the "yes definatelys" and attack whether they are carrying it out in the most financially sustainable way. (I am sure this is attempted - but from somebody looking on, someone else always has a better suggestion of doing things). The Island really needs to think of ways of saving and making money - once again the idea of a harbour for cruise ships comes to mind. I would also like to say that Norfolk Islanders DO contribute money constantly to the Island economy. Our Healthcare system is probably one of the most expensive and it covers next to nothing. Dental, physio, general doctor visits - all costs a lot of money even though we pay $250 every couple of months. In Australia you can pay $80 a month and even get covered for a massage if you are sore after a game of tennis! Even Medicare returns most of your healthcare funds!! Telecommunications is another example. To ring over seas is more expensive than getting buried on the Island. Yes we get free local calls - but the government definately makes up the money by charging an arm and a leg to call internationally. I realise in this I have said the Government needs more money and then said that the government is charging too much money. I just want to get the point across that Norfolk Islanders ARE contributing OUR money into OUR home which is then being thrown around by the Government without a care. We would be more than happy to pay these funds if only we knew the money was going to better use.
Name: noGST
Email: noGST
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 30 April 2005
Time: 09:40:18 PM
"What we need for economic prosperity is newer revenue ideas..... not coming from the people of the island (Tax wise) but somehow sourced from outside the island." This sounds like somebody wants their cake and to be able to eat it too. Why should the island's tourists foot the bill for running the island? Us locals are the ones who use the roads everyday, who create truckloads of rubbish everyday, who utilise the islands infrastructure everyday, not the tourists. True, they come here for a while, for a break, and then go home and pay their taxes, rates, etc for their own houses and properties. Why should they have to pay for ours when we don't contribute to their costs in this way? It is along these lines that I disagree with the contribution of nor tulling. I think introducing the GST here will hurt the island more than benefit it. I believe a better option will be to introduce an income tax. Now I realise that there will be a lot of people out there who throw their arms up at this idea, but this isn't just the result of me logging on and ranting and raving like a bear with a sore paw. Instead of abolishing import duty, leave it as it is. Drop the departure tax to a realistic level, say $20, and drop the FIL, since hardly anyone pays it anyway. Then, because a figure of 10% has been bandied about lately, lets say that an income tax of 10% was introduced. You will find that businesses that use computer software to pay wages have turned off the income tax part or just put a rate of 0% in the box, so implementing the tax at the business level shouldn't cost too much, if anything at all. For businesses that don't use a computer, working out a 10% deduction won't be too hard. Since the wages don't change much over time, the amount of tax paid would remain the same unless overtime was worked or the pay rate changed. One simple calculation per employee and that’s it. No forms to decipher and fill out, no grey areas in which people could rort the system and cost the island $$$. It would also help to weed out those people who see Norfolk as a place to make a quick buck and then leave. An income tax such as this is across the board, everybody pays the same amount, and since the immigration department has a record of all tep’s and gep’s on the island existing resources could be used to make sure that everybody pays their way. True, a tax department might have to be created at Admin, but I wouldn’t see any more than two people keeping track of income tax on Norfolk. Now I realise that some may say that it’s part of Norfolk’s history etc that income tax has never been paid, but sometimes you have to let go of the past to make sure you stay connected to the future. By all reports, Norfolk is in dire financial straights, and I feel that implementing a confusing system of GST will cause grief and confusion, and therefore more $$$, before any projected benefits are realised.
Name: THE ANSWER
Email: Money
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 30 April 2005
Time: 05:20:18 PM
Answer to all the revenue problems is.... wait for it.......let the island go broke..... then Admin don't have the money to spend or waste..... no money .. no problem......penny for the thought? .......Admin is never short of a new car or truck... how many get driven home after hours.....there must be about one vehicle per two persons in total population status... we are not Australia and only have around 2000 people living here.....makes one wonder.."God halp awa"
Name: ShutupAmerican
Email: shutupAmerican@homail.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 30 April 2005
Time: 01:23:38 AM
Hi y'all thinkin of y'all Hope y'all are havin a good time and keepin it real. holla at me sometime. <3
Name: The Younger Generation
Email: help
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 03:16:47 PM
Some one said "there should be a scheme similar to the Aussie Gov's first home buyers for the younger generation" it's easy.....cut the stamp duty that the young first home/land buyers have to pay for the paper work that the government charges......and "hey presto" .....
Name: Hit the Nail on the Head
Email: removeblinkers.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 02:15:47 PM
Yep - dar ess boet all we need ya............the dole. Gutt nuff drop-kicks ya now without having added fuel for their fire...............the dole. Yes Darls - hurry up with your follow up and get the NIG to put their money where their mouths are. We have heard plenty talk ......too much really.........but have not seen much action in the first 6 months.....................why are we not surprised????????????
Name: Bloody TAX
Email: NO_FOR_GST
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 01:45:58 PM
Government GET READY. With TAX comes the dole and better health care "Can you supply it"???
Name: pa 40's auto
Email: ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 01:23:16 PM
What we need for economic prosperity is newer revenue ideas..... not coming from the people of the island (Tax wise) but somehow sourced from outside the island. Tourisim can only offer so much, surely there are better ways..... A harbour or a break water to allow crusie ships is one way to boost the tourist numbers....but there can be other ways ---- The island missed out on Internet gambling -- By taking way to long to adjust legislation for licensing..... I am sure there is another way and hopefully some of the great minds in our community will come up with such an idea.
Name: nor tulling
Email: n@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 01:03:54 PM
I am personally for the gst. Its a fairer tax across the board. I believe its a lot more robust than the current willy nilly levies etc. The NZ system is quite easy to administer for the users, so it should be the same on Norfolk. I believe it will increase our revenue, which is really what Norfolk needs. AS for productivity measures in Admin, it is currently being addressed, and hopefully if this and the Gst come to fruition, then hopefully it will be the shot in the arm we need for economic prosperity. I realise that not everyone is for it, but what else have they got to offer? To those people who think we should have Australian tax here, its just plain unpatriotic.How about sticking it out and riding these times through instead of going for the quick fix. Mark my words, we will not be better off with australian tax. You only have to look at services in rural country towns to realise that.
Name: nor tulling
Email: n@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 12:53:01 PM
Name: nor tulling
Email: n@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 12:52:59 PM
Name: cleanup
Email: the_past
Country: Afghanistan
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 12:39:18 PM
We have a landing system (like a old rust truck in the back yard) that has been switched off and sitting rusting away.....that needs to be addressed... (auctioned, sold, handed back)..again at a loss to the communtiy..... The MLA's should take a walk and have a look at the discrace at the headstone tip..(ten times worse than before) This needs to be addressed ASAP.......Filling pot holes with loose fill (what knuckle head had that bright idea?) Just who is in Charge and accountable for these? ---- answer (NOTHING WILL BE DONE) ----- The past needs cleaning up before the future gets dealt with....
Name: last time
Email: ya
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 12:26:16 PM
When was the last time one (if any) of the MLA's walked thru the shopping centre and asked the shop owners (which generate the most of the island revenue) in import duty, what the Government can do to help or change things for betterment....... when have they asked if any one has ideas or improvements that could be looked at?.....maybe they live up to what they are being paid (peanuts) and do nothing..... makes sense to me...... they should do things to promote idea's and encourage people to come forth with ideas......
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 11:32:41 AM
I think a vote of no confidence in the current assembly is called for
Name: Norfolk's future
Email: Norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 07:50:03 AM
Well done with your comments "Born". I think the importance of Norfolk's future lies in finding new means of revenue...... by all means no one wants any more taxes or a GST style system here on Norfolk.............Wonderful credit to Mr Bates. ............But it's not what Norfolk wants or needs.....I think the answer lies in many factors...... You are right about Admin being top heavy...It always has been......Time for a change....... There should be a levy on sales of land and or houses (if bought and sold within a certain time frame certain percentage goes to the government) this will ensure that people are not here to exploit the prices of land...... there should be a scheme similar to the Aussie Gov's first home buyers for the younger generation......................to give them a head start in life...............more over, ideas need to be raised for the implementation of newer more viable revenue raising methods................Like the idea of a harbour like a few people rasied below is not such a bad idea...... I guess sometimes in life you have to spend money to make money.......
Name: Darls
Email: darls@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 07:37:48 AM
Dear Born & Bred and all who have recently spoken to me about my letter to the paper following the elections in October 2004. I have already written a draft follow up letter to all members of the Assembly and intend completing it over the weekend. These sorts of issues can only be done in my spare time and does not relate in any way to my work. I also wanted to wait until the April 2005 sitting of the assembly meeting – which as stated in my letter last year – is their 6 months. The letter will be completed this weekend and will be posted early next week. I also intend to speak with Greenways and the radio manager in respect of my letter. No, I had not forgotten about following up on my statement. Where possible, if I say I am going to do something - I try my very hardest to carry it through to completion and this case is no different. I will keep you all posted through the local paper and radio IF they agree to publish and air my suggestions. If all else fails, I will use this forum. Yorlye have a great weekend :)
Name: Born & Bred Islander & ELECTOR
Email: bornnred.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 29 April 2005
Time: 07:01:09 AM
Well yorlye..........as long as we have Ron Nobbs in the Assembly talking through the hole in the top of his head blatting on about bringing in 10% GST.....then there is little if any hope for us all on NI. Ron, you are so bloody ignorant at times. Look at the big picture matey.......why not cull some of the Admin workers ie Executive Directors, Consultants etc etc before stinging us. You are a joke. We all remember just how pig-headed your old man was in the council days as well, so it sure has rubbed off. Just because you and your mates are running Norfolk into the ground to a point of no return, don't bloody blame the community for your MISTAKES. At elast when Brian Bates wanted to introduce GST he did his homework. Pity you didn't. Electors - it is time to look at the damage that is being done before it is eternally too late and Darls - we are looking forward to the follow up of your letter last year. We have aready spoken about this so you know what I mean. Wake up Norfolk Island - Ron & Co will bleed us all dry.
Name: Shayne-ex Wokaway cook
Email: tedricoflomaar@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 28 April 2005
Time: 10:11:55 PM
Howdy to all islanders!! Was thinking of ya'all and I am interested in how the food is at the Wokaway now? Also I have been sending e-mails to Amy Adams with no reply now for some time. Is she still on the island? If so I would love to here from her!! Hi to Kane and Jarrad @ the Garrison. Hope the new owners are enjoying it! Shayne
Name: Tintolla
Email: tintolla@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 28 April 2005
Time: 03:30:32 PM
I totally agree with you 'Island Say'. You hit the nail on the spot there. It is absolutely ridiculous as to how much airfares cost to fly to Norfolk from Australia. My point exactly...for a couple of extra hundred dollars you could fly to the other side of the world and see places we nower bin see before. Which would you choose? Or fly via New Zealand and give Air New Zealand airline our business and money. As an airline, you should be making it appealing for us to want to choose your service and fly with you rather than us having to falk out so much money for just a blinkin airfare and then we have living costs on top of that eg food, leisure, care hire as well! At the rate you're going, you're loosing customers at a rapid rate. It's either pull your socks up or let another airline come in who "can" offer us a better and reasonable priced airfares.
Name: Island Say
Email: Airfares@cheaper
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 28 April 2005
Time: 01:13:39 PM
I am an Island living in Sydney, and I am going to tell you that my friends were going to come over for a little while, but the airfares were to expensive. It is cheaper to fly to Singapore, and travel around that area for 2 weeks, than it is to go to Norfolk. I know where I would go. Maybe Greg Prechalt should think about this....... It is absolutly rediculous the cost to get to and from the island. $900.00+ even in the low season. Yeah sure have a realistic approach, but not a greedy approach. I'm sure you have heard the saying, You scratch my back I'll scratch yours. Greg, You help us out and we'll support you. Until then its cheaper to go via NZ and even then we can stay over and have a few days there cheaper than an airfare direct from Australia. You have a brain, maybe your paying Bobberman too much money, that raises the question, WHAT DOES HE DO???? All we see him do, is prance around the Island
Name: burrr
Email: esscoldun
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 26 April 2005
Time: 04:43:36 PM
Ess cold un des dei!!
Name: Yies yies
Email: yies@yies.com
Country: Yemen
Date: Tuesday, 26 April 2005
Time: 10:53:46 AM
lol that person called them stupid buggers heh heh heh... pedal to the metal
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 25 April 2005
Time: 04:08:12 PM
Name: test
Email: test
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 25 April 2005
Time: 12:19:37 PM
test
Name: janine westman
Email: jwestman71@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 24 April 2005
Time: 07:40:03 PM
Best wishes yorle for Anzac Day 2005 ..have a goodun
Name: in the know
Email: home
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 23 April 2005
Time: 08:34:17 PM
A break water and or harbour has been offered to the island several times. Mr Woodward has already worked ideas in this area and offered certain things towards a break water. Hank Evans who lives in Canada has also certain plans and ideas for a breakwater/harbour. Both these two are ideas for Ball Bay or Cascade. I am sure there are others as well who not only have great ideas and ways that something can be done. But also offer with construction costs. I wonder what the new or next cost of lighterage charges will be? In regards to lighterage men loosing their jobs. The money they earn is charged to those who import to the island and will still stay on the island, most of the jobs would stay (only around 10 jobs possibly could change but certainly not lost). I dont think that they (the men in the positions) should hold the community at ransom in regards to a breakwater/harbour. They are brave men i would never knock that, i know to well as i have also worked in a lightage job before. I am sure if they look at it as a betterment for Norfolk they would agree. They only have to go shopping to foodies or for a pair of shoes to realise this. Time moves on and it's the rise and fall of Norfolk that is at hand. I for one do not want any more Tax's like what is to be decided in the very near future. I think a breakwater or Harbour is a great idea. I to like the forum, as a way to express ones ideas. I don't come here to run any one down, i am just trying to figure a way to help uwa'a islen fe uwa's lettle sullen's future. That is why Norfolk is unique and special to all uwa's hearts. God Bless uwa's hoem
Name: missed out
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 23 April 2005
Time: 03:40:10 PM
P.S. to my last submission, it is never too late, there is always a solution. That is what is so good about this forum. People think about things and have opinions. We don't always agree but we communicate.
Name: missed out
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 23 April 2005
Time: 11:03:24 AM
I seem to remember that when a harbour or such was put foward over the years, the objection was that the lighterage crews would be out of work. Not looking to a sustainable future has been our downfall.
Name: cruise ship
Email: bound-for-norfolk
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 22 April 2005
Time: 11:11:18 AM
if we had a breakwater or harbour and if 10 cruise ships passed in a year with 2000 passengers, that's an extra 20,000 people visiting norfolk. Most cruise ships carry more than 2000 people. These visitors are of low impact to the islands resources (water, waste etc) . I think the Government(people) of the island should seriously concider this alternative as a new method of income to the revenue of the island. No brian straining needed MLA's.
Name: Travel
Email: travel@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 22 April 2005
Time: 08:54:24 AM
Hey guys, just wanting to clarify that the price through New Zealand to Australia is actually over $900.00 all of the time.... The $700 dollar price that was sighted on the internet is simply FARE ONLY. The taxes are over $300.00 because you have the hugely expensive taxs of Norfolk/Auckland Return and then the additional Auckland/Brisbane return or Auckland/Sydney return taxs for example..... Air New Zealand released this fare to compete with Norfolk Jet's higher prices but more so to offer two holiday destinations in one trip for the price of one holiday destination. For example - fly to New Zealand and spend a week there and then go onto an Australian destination and continue your holiday over the Tasman. As for not having an Airline if Norfolk Jet drop out..... (Norfolk Jet are a Charter Service - NOT an Airline) There are numerous airlines that have and do look at flying to Norfolk all of the time. If Norfolk Jet went out of business I would gaurantee that another airline would pick up the route. Norfolk Jet can not really discount their prices any more as obviously they can not afford it, however larger, more reputable airlines can afford to break even on a little off track route. Air New Zealand has been supply US with this service for years without making basically anything! Food for though plus a few facts!!
Name: Tintolla
Email: tintolla@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 10:59:14 PM
Yeah, Norfolk missed out on a good opportunity to build a harbour. Just think of all the tourists coming off the boat onto the island for a couple of days! As 'Break Water' has said, 'wondering about how many cruise ships pass the island every year.' That harbour was a golden opportunty. Imagine going on a holiday and leaving Norfolk on a cruise ship! How different would that be! And as for the airfares to Norfolk via NZ is very tempting. If the airfares between Sydney and Norfolk remain high, well I will be seriously looking at flying to Norfolk via NZ.
Name: you gut et
Email: cheaper
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 09:16:45 PM
break water..... harbour..... cheaper freight too.... We could have done something when the cascade cliff job was done..but thats just the way it goes .. Norfok has a history of missed opportunities....
Name: break water
Email: ship_to_norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 06:49:39 PM
thinking that if we had only build a break water or perhaps harbour years ago. Norfolk would have another alternative travel route and tourist destination. Wondering just how many cruise ships go past the island every year. Makes one wonder. Offering lower impact tourist's and dollars as well. Food for thought. plus the government gets thier all important departure fee. Love you long time..."the cowboy on the range" "hi ho sliver"
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: unreal@deal
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 06:48:40 PM
I got a quote off the net for 700.00 return SYD/AKL/NLK/AKL/SYD. Of course thats leaving at 6am - but who cares when you save money - AND get to see another country!
Name: Gut the Answer
Email: amazing.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 06:15:08 PM
I recently purchased tickets flying Norfolk/Auckland/Brisbane and return for $985.00 flying with Air New Zealnd & Emirates. You also get a choice of hot meals on both flights plus free drinks. That is hard to beat!
Name: In the middle
Email: tintolla@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 06:10:53 PM
Exactly 'Mard Ippy'! It may be a bit hard on NJE to lower the price of their airfares due to financial reasons, but as you said it will be worth it in the long run. Just think the more customers they would get if they bought the fares down to a reasonable price! At least they will have more of a constant flow of customers and have a constant flow of income. Which would be better for them to sacrafice a bit of profit money and lower the fares and have a steady flow of customers? Or to keep the aifares as they are and only have customers come in 'dribs and drabs'? Yeah, I heard it was cheaper to travel to Norfolk via New Zealand. Do you roughly know how much it costs to fly via NZ?
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 05:31:07 PM
Thank you 'In The Middle'... Observer - you cannot compare Norfolk Jet to other major airlines. NJE doesn't have the option of 'making it up' on other routes therefore NJE really needs to look after it's one and only destination - Norfolk Island. The fact of the matter is tourism ON the Island is irrelevant in this discussion as we need to get the tourist there in the first place!!! Norfolk as a whole relies on Norfolk Jet so much - and I think they have done a wonderful job in the past. However with tourism numbers dropping something needs to be done and as NJE has so much control of the industy - it's up to them to work on fixing this - this is a blunt fact. It will benefit both the airline (in the long run) AND the local economy/businesses. I realise running cheap fares may not be enconomically sustainable - BUT neither is running expensive fares that cuts the tourist numbers down. It really doesn't take a genious to work that out. Finally, do you realise it's cheaper to go to Norfolk via New Zealand? I'm pretty sure if more people found this out - then NJE would HAVE to look at bringing their prices down....
Name: In the middle
Email: middlegate@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 05:03:21 PM
I can see your point 'an observer', yes if NJE loses money and becomes no longer, Norfolk will have no airline. And in order to run an airline, you need people to travel. But what happens when Norfolk's main income, which are tourists coming to the Island, start dropping rapidly in numbers simply because the airfares are too expensive? And Norfolk without tourists, means Norfolk has no income to survive! And without the money to survive, most of your jobs over there will no longer be secure as most businesses rely on the tourists!
Name: An observer
Email: observer@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 21 April 2005
Time: 04:07:30 PM
Air fares do seem high and taxes don't help but NJE is only operating to Sydney, Brisbane and sometimes Melbourne. The big airlines lose money on some routes and make it up on others. They are all losing money trying to compete with the likes of Jetstar. If NJE loses money then NJE doesn't exist and Norfolk has no airline. Competition isn't always good and making a realistic profit isn't being greedy....
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: ifonly.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 20 April 2005
Time: 05:17:31 PM
Norfolk Island doesn't have the same demand for flights as New Zealand has - and because of this Virgin Blue will not look at us. It would be great - I agree with that, but unfortunately due to Norfolk's small annual visitor numbers (40,000) Virgin won't waste their time or money on us. I think this arguement all comes back to Norfolk Jet. Don't get me wrong, I am proud that we have our own airline (if only it was the old plane and not the Air Nauru one...) but I believe they are shooting themselves in the foot. Norfolk relies on tourism and without it - I don't even want to think what will happen. With prices as expensive as they are - the pensioners who love Norfolk so much, cannot afford it anymore - THATS why they are going domestic. If the airline can afford to have cheap fares when there is competition, then they should be able to keep those fares the same... But greed is very powerful.
Name: It ain't cheap to fly to Norfolk
Email: norfolk_needs_cheap_fares@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 20 April 2005
Time: 03:30:28 PM
It's so expensive to fly to Norfolk when you add the airfare and taxes together. If yorley wunt tourist fe come, cheaper airfares is the way to go otherwise the expensive fares are going to kill the tourist flow into the island. If you think about it, if you add a couple of hudnred dollars more, you can fly over to the other side of the world. Which would you choose? Have you heard of the airline company 'Virgin Blue'? If so, they would be good to get in. They currently do domestic flights in Australia as well as flights to New Zealand, and they are always having 'cheap'airfare sales. Once it only cost $199 to fly from Australia to New Zealand on one of their cheap deals! Why can't Norfolk have something like them fly to Norfolk with cheap deals going?! That would attract the tourist!
Name: You Be the Judge
Email: sayswho.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 20 April 2005
Time: 01:47:00 PM
Last Updated 15/04/2005, 17:58:38 Cheap domestic flights are being blamed for a dramatic drop in the number of Australian tourists visiting the country's Pacific territory of Norfolk Island. Tourism is Norfolk Island's main industry, and the majority of the 40,000 tourists who visit the island each year are from the mainland. However, visitors have dropped by 10 per cent this year. A spokeswoman from Norfolk Island Tourism, Jackie Pye, says cheap domestic flights in Australia are seen as one reason for the dramatic drop. "The cheap, cheap airfares, I don't think we can ever compete with that - I mean our taxes for instance are more than some of those airfares," she said. The Norfolk Island government is working to attract visitors back to the island.
Name: Something Constructive for a Change
Email: readaboutit.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 19 April 2005
Time: 11:42:54 AM
Save our dialect, say Bounty islanders By Nick Squires in Sydney (Filed: 19/04/2005) A remote Australian island, settled by the descendants of the Bounty mutineers, is fighting to preserve its curious mix of 18th-century English and Polynesian. Norfolk Island, a sub-tropical pinprick of land in the South Pacific, was first sighted by Capt James Cook in 1774 and later used by Britain as a penal colony. The entire population of Pitcairn Island, an even more remote colonial outpost, was moved to Norfolk because of overcrowding in 1856. Around half of Norfolk Island's 2,000 current inhabitants still speak the colourful hybrid of Tahitian and archaic English of their Pitcairn forebears. To outsiders the creole, known as Norfuk, is almost incomprehensible, although pronouncing words slowly helps untangle their meaning. "Daad'wieh" means "that's the way" and "daaset" is "that's it". Other words are from archaic English: "food" translates as "wattles", derived from "victuals". The word "children" has morphed into "sillen". Norfuk has been in retreat for decades because of television, radio, marriages to English speakers and the visits of tourists. Now, to halt its decline, the island's nine-member legislative assembly has declared Norfuk an official language, alongside English, and its 400 children are being taught it in school. Alice Buffett, a seventh generation islander who has written a Norfuk text book and dictionary, said the pupils were enjoying learning phrases such as "Whataway yorle?" ("How are you?") and "El duu f'mada" ("They'll do for dumplings"). A generation ago children were punished for speaking the dialect in school. But Peter Maywald, a government spokesman, said: "We are promoting it rather than trying to knock it out of the kids." Previous story: Recycled plastic from British homes casts toxic cloud over China Next story: Hostages will die unless Shia flee their homes, say terrorists
Name: Maad sullen
Email: dem_es_maad_un
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 18 April 2005
Time: 03:51:09 PM
Need for speed you es maad un mate. The access to dii forum nor work. The password es Lone. I had to access it through telecom.
Name: dar theng fe lami's
Email: ef@u
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 18 April 2005
Time: 12:37:39 AM
hey mum and dad miss ya lots from your little svetlani and werbles
Name: need4speed loonies
Email: kar_handle_et@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 17 April 2005
Time: 04:13:01 PM
Waal, one day yuus luck might run out, need for speed en you might end up wrapped around a powerpole! The choice es yours, you gotta live with the consequences. But don't worry people will be able to recycle bits of your car and make it into another car, but no one can replace your life. Life is too precious. You could be alive one minute and dead the next because of one stupid mistake. Which would you prefer? Dead or alive?
Name: need for speed
Email: faster@warp.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Sunday, 17 April 2005
Time: 02:55:16 PM
"you stupid buggers" i like driving fast and i like intense bass and if its made a crime i will be a content criminal ill race ya...
Name: driven mard
Email: @nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 16 April 2005
Time: 07:01:22 PM
Yeah,waal dar ell be good for the island. Might make some people think about their driving or the police will help them think about their driving for them. Maybe they need to have random breath testing too, coz over ya es illegal fe drive over the .05 limit. I kar whether yorley have a system in place already like dar. But it's about time they have tougher traffic rules. Es might be one small side over there en dem speed limits are slow compared to aussie en yorley like wunt fe speed, but trust me accidents do happen. I see too much of it over here - too many fatalities orn ourwas roads and we do over double your speed limit over here. So even though your speed limits aren't fast, they are enforced for a reason. Over orn Norfolk...especially dem younger sullen ell drive as if dem nort afraid or even think that it won't happen to them. They won't be invovled in an accident and be seriously injured. The time is now to 'learn' from others mistakes, otherwise could be one of dem next time.
Name: Rock n Roll Ain't Noise Pollution AC/DC
Email: peace-and-quiet
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 16 April 2005
Time: 06:58:15 PM
here here....... you are soooo right ..... matey..... about time dem start fe slow down and tun et down.... i fe one se had unf furrett......Dem dun a town batta do sumthin en... em parent's fe dem sullen gut et ina car orta do something bout et to... peace and quiet... kah what's dar any more
Name: sickntired
Email: norfolk61@yahoo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 16 April 2005
Time: 04:26:36 PM
According to the interview with Sgt Andrews in today's Norfolk Islander, "the Chief Minister will be shortly announcing a major traffic campaign which will be funded from the next budget". With any luck this means that some of the clowns that refuse to acknowledge the speed limits will actually be caught and face the punishment they deserve. Perhaps it will also lead to some of the ignorant, inconsiderate, anti-social loud stereo crew being charged as well. No point making something illegal without giving the police the means to enforce the law. Slow down and turn it down or face the consequences you stupid buggers...
Name: chocken ower ya
Email: givemeth@fresh.air
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 15 April 2005
Time: 06:15:39 PM
simes a thing gut no fresh air ower ya se fill et up fe dem car exhaust i wish i bin bring some fresh ower in a jar yorley get someone send me ower some much appreciated
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 15 April 2005
Time: 02:02:19 PM
Everything feels lazy here as well. Baseball season hath begun and the warm spring breeze is upon us. All ucklun gwen tOObin sun en Virginna! Myse flo-utten stereo es ripe! Paul en Monica
Name: tintolla
Email: kar_beat_et@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 15 April 2005
Time: 12:29:22 PM
Waal, yorley lucky! Half yuus luck.
Name: stop inna baird des day
Email: HillyWeather
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 15 April 2005
Time: 12:24:09 PM
es wun dem perfect hilly dea's orn uwa's beautiful side....
Name: tintolla
Email: @nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 15 April 2005
Time: 12:05:56 PM
Yorley se quiet!
Name: idiot
Email: idiot@home.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 14 April 2005
Time: 06:41:33 PM
Its good to have a forum about a forum
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 14 April 2005
Time: 05:38:49 AM
divide et impera
Name: ootatau
Email: w@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 13 April 2005
Time: 08:18:09 PM
Wal Dun yorlye 2.Well said. Hpoefully we are beginning to set the record straight and maybe things can snowball so that norfolk and norfolkers can regain their history and culture, and put norfolk back as a distinct and separate settlement where it is and should be. AS the saying goes "if you tell people something enough times, some people will begin to believe it" This is definately the case with Australias attitude to Norfolk. How dare these clowns report in all their crap submissions etc that "Norfolkers are ethnically and culturally akin to other Australians". It goes to show their ignorance and arrogance. AS It keeps on getting said, Norfolk is an aircraft carrierin the middle of the pacific and they will go to great lengths to Australianize Norfolk and disregard our proud people, origins and birth right. Petty some sullan cah si et
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 13 April 2005
Time: 12:53:44 PM
Norlarnen: brud "ai se res' myse caes" ...simmisa'thing sullun se gurret, sullun se naersy, sullun se simmiswaey; baas thing furret ess ~lubbe~... ...fe noew :] ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ " 6. The transfer does not involve *_any change in the position of the Islanders as subjects of the Crown_*, [ai ell res' myse caes!] *_the change is only [ie.ONLY] to the officers of the Crown through whom the Island will be administered_*. Instead of the Governor of NSW being "ex officio" Governor of Norfolk Island, the Governor of the Commonwealth will perform similar duties." ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [ correspondence (d.27,April,1914) between Secretary of State for Colonies, Viscount Harcourt, and NSW Governor, Count Della Catena, re. constitutional status of NI vis-a-vis British Crown, POST 1 July 1914 ]
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 12 April 2005
Time: 10:49:48 PM
If people are upset and disagree then why have we not seen better arguments in here than "we get plenty of handouts" (but I'm not going to tell you any facts about them) and "there are plenty of us islanders that are more than happy with the way things are here" (though the majority of voters do not accept Australia's meddling in our affairs as proven in various polls over the years). It's no wonder that these arguments above haven't settled the questions raised. But they certainly don't exclude anyone from the discussion and shouldn't, whether they are islanders or not, which ever side o fthe fence they stand (or sit!). Until now interestingly enough most all we have discussed are the facts of our relationship and history with Australia, why would this upset you or anybody? If you think we have our facts wrong then set us straight but do not deny us the right to discuss our history (brud you sure yu from Terhan?). You don't have to agree with history but you can't change it to suit your own ends. As for "nothing you, I or anyone else for that matter will EVER change how things are so live with it and get on with it" simes dem 147 sullun orn ar 1914 Petition, ai beliewe Norfolk es ouwas side, en ai nawa awa gwen chaenge!!!
Name: kar larn
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 12 April 2005
Time: 01:58:57 PM
Its so annoying when people don't agree with you isn't it "Love Aussie..." No use a nesy brud. Do mine side ei lew en do mine sullun talken fe ucklan. Wi nor hutten anybodi. Dar informaetion Grabamuun pud up las week how gude. Ei onie hoep he gut plenti more fe ucklan look orn!
Name: Love Aussie & Home [NORFOLK]
Email: mysehoem@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 12 April 2005
Time: 01:33:26 PM
norlarnen - give up mate! this ozzie / norfolk banter is getting pretty monotinous and people here are talking about all the crap that has been going on in this forum - you obviously don't live here to hear all that is said. We don't need any links - just accept what we are and where we are. Nothing you, I or anyone else for that matter will EVER change how things are so live with it and get on with it. There are plenty of us islanders (born, raised and educated etc) that are more than happy with the way things are here
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 12 April 2005
Time: 11:41:40 AM
Wes, Personally I think it's interesting to read peoples opinions in here without knowing who they are because then they are judged based on fact in reality. Sure there is plenty of background noise, but thats easy to scroll past. A lot of issues might not be resolved but some very ignorant views are often expressed in here and are usually shown the light of truth and common sense. Grabamuun posted some very interesting facts on our historical relationship or what would be more accurately called our non relationship with Australia last week. I thought it was very interesting that the Islanders of that time preffered to align themselves with New Zealand. Grabamuun, can you offer any links or information on any consultations that have taken place between Norfolk Islanders and the Commonwealth of Australia since 1914. Something to show that we agreed to being accepted into the Commonwealth of Australia and provide a basis for the unilateral decsions they have been making over this period of time?
Name: Wes Steven
Email: AMMENDMANT
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 07:22:49 PM
and besides if your NOT whinging/complaining about something/anything you dont fit in in here and i just want to be "one of the forum gang" but it appears i cannot do this without my personal reputation being put at risk so therefore i will use an alias as many of you do. now i see the point
Name: Wes Steven
Email: me@you.bouncybouncy
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 06:48:05 PM
and besides if your whinging/complaining about something/anything you dont fit in in here and that was about all i could think of.
Name: wes steven
Email: point@taken.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 06:36:28 PM
point taken and statement retracted all furthur posts about my post can be directed to: middleearth@nowhereinparticular.com
Name: born and bred
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 05:21:13 PM
Come on yourlye if we all put our names down we don't get the real truth of how everyone feels. It is alot easier to write things and your true feelings down when there are no retributions. If that makes me a coward so be it. I do have my email address written down though so if you wanna have a chat Wes bring it on. Be careful what you say though I used to be one of your baby sitters. He, he, he.
Name: Wes
Email: hahaha.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 04:41:36 PM
and you may just have singled yourself out as THAT 60 year old man by getting defensive (you know, the one with no pants) even if i do already know who you are...
Name: Wes
Email: righto_then
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 04:34:00 PM
ok so you missed my point and it wasnt aimed at all posts, remember??? oh and another thing...tek daa
Name: se boern en raese AMEN!
Email: no_thought_police
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 04:06:58 PM
Wes, this is an OPINIONS ^forum^, NOT a THOUGHT POLICE identity check ^form^
Name: Wes Steven
Email: wessteven@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 03:56:59 PM
This should be called the "Nameless Faceless Cowards" forum. Who are you people?? For all we know you could be lonely 60 year old men sitting in thier living room with no pants on looking to get someone fired up over a post on a "local" forum. If you've really got something worth saying you should be proud to say it and proud that people know YOU said it and it was YOUR opinion. Ok, so the password thing filtered out some of the riff raff but i accessed the forum fine without a password showing that anyone with a general knowledge of internet can. Some of the things written make me angry but i am furthur infuriated that they wont disclose names or AT LEAST email addresses fo personal replies. Wesley James Steven Proud Norfolk Islander ps. only aimed at the majority i realise some of you use your names pps. some of this stuff should be published it is hilarious
Name: se boern en raes AMEN!
Email: depoert_et
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 03:06:52 PM
to the imbecile ignoramus who has the CHEEK to use the alias "Norfolk" on this forum, as if representing the whole island, WHO do you THINK you are sunshine~?!?@?*!? you sure aint an ISLANDER but you ARE the same IDIOT who has been excreting whining CRAP under the alias of 'n/a', 'original norfolk friend', 'none', etc.etc. ad nauseum why dont you RACK OFF and annoy sheep instead of us
Name: Darls en Chalky
Email: yorlye_knoew_ett.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 02:22:15 PM
Damn Yank, but trien!........we want to say [we wunt' a tull]...ditto!! Yu two ess gude sullun en we glaed fer knoew yorlye. [ You both are good people and we are glad to know you. Love, Hugs, Prayers and Smiles from your Norfolk Island friends :)
Name: Damn Yank, but trien!
Email: allsullenknowet@bynow.com
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 01:22:24 PM
Darls en Chalky, Es aa weih Carl Wilson (Beach Boys) tal, 'God only knows where we'd be without you'... Lowe, Paul en Monica
Name: Cranky Mard Ippy
Email: cranky@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 12:56:36 PM
I am interested to know what nationality 'Norfolk' is - because if he/she is from Norfolk - I would love for them to walk up to some of the local men and tell them to stop talking Mumbo Jumbo! Who ever you are - you are pathetic coming onto OUR site to be so demeaning and immoral. Obviously you are the one with ISSUES. Maybe you need to stop attacking people's opinions and take a long hard look at yourself (and remove that 'Pulla' from your forehead - whoops sorry... Mumbo Jumbo kicked in!!!) Is every Nationality speaking Mumbo Jumbo? And I suppose what you speak is the 'proper way'? I have some advice for you(which I am sure you will understand as I am writing in 'english') YOU need to go onto englishlosers.com where not only do they speak English but you should get on with them quite well.
Name: It's called half old english and half tahitian
Email: norfolk@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 09:44:38 AM
Sorry England...I just assumed you were writing it to us not realising it was in defense of our language. ANyway, it was intended for the alias "Norfolk".
Name: born and bred
Email: wetls@hotmail
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 09:12:05 AM
En all dee fe tullen all uklun se hungry fe hooum cooked wetls. I caa hoow fe spell Norfuk but I sure as hell gwen try. Semus a thing we se rock ar boet.
Name: Ess Gude Dem Cah Wuthen We Tullen
Email: who_d_hell_o_dem.norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 08:36:25 AM
England.........HUMBLE apologies. My entry was supposed to be to Norfolk and not you. I am very sorry indeed and hope you accept it. So for my previousd entry - it is dedicated to the lout calling himself Norfolk and not to England as I have written. Have a nice day England - and to you (so called) Norfolk.....on your bike honey and don't look back.
Name: England
Email: home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 11 April 2005
Time: 02:27:31 AM
How did I end up on the whacking end of that stick? It was the alias, "Norfolk" that referred to your language as "mumbo jumbo" and not I. I only quoted the comment from "Norfolk" in order to reply in defense of your language. I suppose its off for "tea and biscuits" for me!
Name: Ess Gude Dem Cah Wuthen We Tullen
Email: who_d_hell_o_dem.norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 10 April 2005
Time: 08:33:06 PM
Good on You It's called half old english and half tahitian. You ess so right. Unae - who dem thort dem ess comen orn ya tryen 'a larna ucklun hoew fer tork enn write. England - I reiterate the same comments - rack off back to where you come from and keep your bloody thoughts to yourself. This is our FORUM, our ISland and if we want to talk mumbo jumobo to confuse the likes of YOU then we bloody well will. The cheek of some of you. So honey - on your bike and don't look back.
Name: It's called half old english and half tahitian
Email: norfolk@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 10 April 2005
Time: 07:28:23 PM
England...of course you won't understand our mumbo jumbo because you're not an Islander and therefore wouldn't understand our language. We do have our own language other than just plain english! So off with you to your refined 'english' speaking forum. Or maybe you just wanted to gripe about our language because your just bored speaking your plain old 'refined' english and wished you could speak some other language as well. So please, run along now and go sip a nice cup of hot tea in your fine china tea set with dry crackers and cheese.
Name: England
Email: home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 10 April 2005
Time: 05:40:23 PM
"Why can't you people just speak normal english like normal people -- instead of all this mumbo jumbo...." If you demand "normal english" so dearly then by all means, GO TO ENGLAND where you might also be criticized for every iota of imperfection such as your blatent ignorance of capitalizing proper nouns! Seriously, what do you have to offer here? Besides insulting an English dialect of a culture that has evolved over many decades, what relevant input have you to offer this forum? Why are YOU here? To gripe because you are bored and have nothing else to do! Off with you...to an ENGLISH forum! Mumbo Jumbo
Name: Norfolk
Email: home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 10 April 2005
Time: 02:39:24 PM
Why can't you people just speak normal english like normal people -- instead of all this mumbo jumbo....
Name: Dar Bizziebee
Email: nfp.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 09 April 2005
Time: 05:21:30 PM
Paul en Monica - we are impressed with your Norfolk input.Well done and keep it up. We'll write soon :) Love, Hugs, Prayers and Smiles Your Norfolk Island friends.
Name: born and bred
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 09 April 2005
Time: 05:05:09 PM
I bin wunt wun a dem porpae pies semus a thing sullen nor gut any porpae owa ya. Kina mek a sullen sad, en hooum sick.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 09 April 2005
Time: 02:33:33 PM
"Lars Time", All ucklun car find hihi in Vaginna wayes lewen. Plun pilhi es nex orn ar list! :) Paul en Monica
Name: Norfolk
Email: home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 09 April 2005
Time: 12:04:58 PM
Se Grarba'muun --- sounds like you need to go and enjoy life... seems like you have your head connected to a computer screen... Make real use of your time -- instead of posting some of this mumbo jumbo....
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 08 April 2005
Time: 05:48:45 PM
Norlarnen: the clincher for our line of argument has got to be P.19/para.6 of the correspondence (d.27,April,1914) between Secretary of State for Colonies, Viscount Harcourt (aka."Loulou") and NSW Governor, Count Della Catena, (aka.Baron Strickland), verbatim: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ " 6. The transfer does not involve any change in the position of the Islanders as subjects of the Crown, [ai ell res' myse caes!] the change is only to the officers of the Crown through whom the Island will be administered. Instead of the Governor of NSW being "ex officio" Governor of Norfolk Island, the Governor of the Commonwealth will perform similar duties." ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Lewis Vernon Harcourt, 1st Viscount Harcourt (31 January 1863 - 24 February 1922) was a British politician who held the Cabinet office of Secretary of State for the Colonies during 1910-1915. * as a topical aside; Harcourt was also known as "Loulou" amongst the rent-boys of Soho ...see below. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 23rd. Governor of NSW: Sir Gerald Strickland, Count della Catena. Gov.- 14 Mar, 1913 to 27 Oct, 1917. Sir Gerald Strickland came from Sizergh Castle in Westmoreland where his family had been settled for more than 800 years. In 1879, by judgment of the Privy Council, he succeeded to the title and estates of his maternal great-uncle as sixth Count della Catena. He obtained his honours in law at Trinity College in Cambridge and then was called to the Bar of the Inner Temple and practised before the Privy Council. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "Loulou" Harcourt was also an uncontrollable sexual predator attracted to both sexes. He tried to rape Dorothy Brett, the daughter of Viscount Esher, and followed this by an attempt to seduce his(ie.Esher's)son. Dorothy Brett wrote of him that "it is so tiresome that Loulou is such an old roué. He is as bad with boys as with girls .. he is simply a sex maniac. It isn't that he is in love. It is just ungovernable Sex desire for both sexes." His behaviour was known and tolerated in private, but when he attempted to seduce a well-connected 12-year-old boy, the boy's mother began to 'tell the whole of society'. Harcourt could not tolerate the impending disgrace and he committed suicide. cf. Petition against transfer of Norfolk Island to the Commonwealth, 1914 A1, 1914/8708 source: http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/prime_ministers/cook/subject.html
Name: Tintolla
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 April 2005
Time: 10:42:58 AM
Lets change the subject to something positive! Hey does anyone do any remote control plane flying or sloap soaring over there? There'd be some good spots as Norfolk is quite hilly.
Name: Standup
Email: beproud@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 08 April 2005
Time: 10:36:11 AM
Born and Bred, I would like to commend you on posting the information in regards to Steve Nobbs SNR! We should ALL be made aware that he has been convicted therefor proven guilty of his illness. I know that I would prefer to know if a paedophile was living in MY backyard so as to have the opportunity to protect our children! Once again Born and Bred "THANKYOU" from myself and all that I cherish and love in this world! Some of you need to "WAKE UP" Norfolk is FULL of messed up people because they have had to hide away and not say anything to anyone in the older days in regards to sexual harrasment, rape etc.... becuase the VICTIMS were frowned appon! VICTIMS will no longer be hidden away - if you are wronged then justice will prevail! Allow it to be talked about for the first time in centurys!
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 April 2005
Time: 10:29:49 AM
Se Grarba'muun, that is an "experience" reading through those documents, quite amazing. Thank you. So far about 5 people have jumped in with bold statements of our reliance on Australian handouts since this thread was started and then when asked for some hard evidence they suddenly dissappear. It is amazing that there is such widespread ignorance over what is simple public knowledge. Yorley haw a gude weekend, du gude.
Name: born and bred
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 08 April 2005
Time: 08:48:57 AM
I think that I have been quite generous in the way I wrote about Steve Nobbs SNR. I have only put facts down and didn't put any of my opinion on the matter down. I can't be done for defamation of character as everything I wrote is true. Defamation of character means Main Entry: de·fa·ma·tion Pronunciation: "de-f&-'mA-sh&n Function: noun 1 : communication to third parties of FALSE statements about a person that injure the reputation of or deter others from associating with that person. I would also like to put things to rest as it has been a long 5 years waiting for this to go to trial, and a long 15 years since it happened this is also part of the process of getting rid of some anger. Please remember that if Steve Nobbs SNR had never done any of these acts then I would not need to write any of this down. So when you tell me not to point fingers how about you tell Steve not to point his. As to looking at my own life and the things I have done sure I have done some silly things but never have I done something that has helped to destroy numerous amounts of families with disgusting acts of molestation. I think that if this can open some peoples eyes, that doing this sort of thing is just not acceptable then maybe it won't happen as much. As I have said on here before if you brush it under the carpet and hope it goes away then you are no better than the perpetrator. My comments arn't nearly as disgusting as what Steve has done to these girls and like Mard Ippy said this is a forum and my opinion is as valid as any one else. So if I feel I need to write these things down and press submit I will thanks.
Name: Se Grarb'amoon
Email: dumien
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 09:42:58 PM
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Name: Esstrue
Email: Esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 07:04:39 PM
Some topics are touchy, some topics are perennial many topics have polarised views If you try following a single topic in here you get all this background noise maybe its time for the forum to reflect its maturity and offer threaded discussions
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 04:38:04 PM
I have used "In the Know" as my pen name for quite a While on Forum. I have not made comment on the child molestation issue. Please note the difference in addresses. I will not use this pen name again. It is interesting that someone is trying to attribute their opinion while using someone elses regular pen name.
Name: Se Grarba'muun
Email: dumien
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 02:45:33 PM
For those who still believe - contrary to Norlarnen's, Ootatau's et al. cogent arguments - that Norfolk Island is a *_legitimate_* & integral part of the Commonwealth; please peruse the excellent & impassioned plea of our people by way of Petition (now available online)to King George V (dated Jan.1914) *_AGAINST_* the mooted transfer. Here's an excerpt: "To: THE KINGS MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY. The Humble PETITION of the INHABITANTS OF NORFOLK ISLAND against their ""FORCIBLE"" Annexation to the COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA" ...& here's the key para: "Your Petitioners do most humbly PRAY that YOUR MAJESTY will be pleased to pause[underlined] before giving the ROYAL ASSENT to a Bill that is *_absolutely obnoxious_* to your subjects in your far away CROWN COLONY of NORFOLK ISLAND...(etc.)" source: http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp pp.12 to 14 cf.also: http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/prime_ministers/cook/subject.html
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: happydays@yahoo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 01:41:48 PM
Firstly - the forum is there for people to express their views. The case of Steve Nobbs SNR is a very touchy one - so opinions in this of course will divide many people. Those who think it's time to move on have to realise the hurt and anger thats on the 'other side' of the story. Families have been torn apart and for the 'children' who were affected their childhood memories have been turned into nightmares. This is not something that can just be brushed aside. Although everyone wants to just move on and forget about it - you have to take into consideration the emotions and feelings of those people involved. My thoughts actually go to those poor girls. Don't abuse them for being angry as I am sure you would not be so forgiving if it had of happened to your wife/sister/friend or even daughter. I know that this is my opinion and many may disagree - but as this IS a forum I thought it was fair to add mine. While I am here - I am a Norfolk Islander and yes - I type in Australian but that doesn't mean I don't talk it. I was NEVER taught at school how to talk/write Norfolk. Thanks to my amazing grandparents - I can fluently talk Norfolk. However writing it - is another story... Especially since there's no definite way of spelling it. Don't attack us 'lettle sullen' for not writing - maybe those opinions should be aimed at the school.
Name: Karwah
Email: kar_doo@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 01:01:57 PM
In the Know...of course I have morals. Why can’t you after his hearing in March, just let it be, instead of carrying on the way you do by posting it up everywhere. You’ve seen your side of justice, so move on. Stop carrying on the way you do. Also there have been a lot of things said against him which could be put up to Deformation of Character! Where’s the moral in that?
Name: In the know
Email: lkajdf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 11:40:03 AM
Karwah - I'm sure you wouldn't be so forgiving if Steve Nobbs SNR did this to a family member of your own. A fresh wound takes time to heal. Sexual molestation of a minor is wrong, and if you think it isn't, do you have any morals??
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 10:54:11 AM
Handout, I believe I have done my homework. You say I am wrong so go ahead and tell us all where. This discussion has been going on for a while now and plenty contributors are insinuating that there is money being handed out all over the show - please speak up and be definative - what money, where? And while you are at it please try to make the connection where financial aid (large or small) equates to making Norfolk synonomous with Australia and Australian.
Name: Karwah
Email: born_and_bred_kar_wutawey@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 10:53:56 AM
I totally agree with you 100%, True Blue Islander! It's good to see you stand up and voice you opinion about this! Born and bred...get a life! Is that all you do is post the same thing over about Steve? Yea who is without sin cast the first stone! So therefore, who are you to point the finger at someone?! Just remember, in the same way you have judged Steve, God will judge you and everyone else who has had it against him, in the exact manner. Shame on YOU! You are way out of line and enough is enough. Look at your own life! I am sure it is far from perfect. I am sure you have things to hide. Yorley kar dun, can you?! You should be charged for Deformation of Character. You just disgust me with your comments. Yorley kar doo! It's time to let him be and move on. Forgive as God forgave you!
Name: True Blue Islander
Email: yorlyecahdo.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 10:17:58 AM
born and bred should be traced and charged with Defamation of Character. He or she should alos open the doors and let the skeletons out. Some of the comments on here are disgusting, out of line and shameful. YORLYE CAH MOOSA DO!
Name: ootatau
Email: a@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 08:09:59 AM
Blind freddy can also see that Norfolk gets very little "handouts". I challenge the previous entry to add to my list of "handouts" and financial contributions. national parks-considered to be aust-comm property Kahva- considered to be Aust commonwealth property-actually 50% funded by Norfolk Cascade cliff- crown land -supposedly aust comm property- and actually a loan Airport upgrade-actually a loan The occasional "token" grant which is really chicken feed. Mercy flights-now paid for by Norfolk Can u see a trend that the Aust govt tends to loan or spend money in areas that they consider to be their property- something they need to keep up to scratch so they dont run the risk of heavy litigation. The mercy flights is always an argument, but the airforce use to use these as a training run to keep them busy- What about all the mercy flight going up to indonesia, does that make them part of Australia?. Its suggested that these supposed "handouts" prop up Norfolks economy and budget each year-what a load of rubbish. I'd be intersted to know if anyone can add any contributiions of worth to this already sad list of, mostly loans. P.s U may note that I refer to as tha Ausralian commonwealth, that is because I dont consider Norfolk to be part of That commonwealth, although it may be an external territory under the commonwealth of australia. These so called handouts dont make us part of australia, or us australians
Name: Hand-Outs
Email: we-get-plenty-from-oz.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 07:25:34 AM
Like I said - do your own homework. Go talk to those you voted into Government and get them to spell it out - BUT you wait and see - Aussie will come to the recuse AGAIN just before we go down the plug hole................which is nearing and blind Freddie can see that our economy is very fragile and brittle at present. Dar thing f' dear old Elva's...wakey-wakey!
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 07 April 2005
Time: 02:06:13 AM
I have listed in the recent past that the only regular contributions I know of currently and historically are to Parks and Wildlife and 50% of KAHVA. I have also heard plenty about "all the handouts" that we recieve and asked for more details? SO far no one has been forth coming. Please perhaps "Handouts" will tell us?
Name: Hand-Outs
Email: we-get-plenty-from-oz.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 April 2005
Time: 08:43:11 PM
nottelling - congratulations on doing your homework. What a shame others don't do the same. This walking around with blinkers on all the time must be awful. Norfolk Island gets more hand outs than forum contributors realise. Like notelling - do some homework before you put stuff on here.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 April 2005
Time: 07:39:55 PM
Doesn't KAVHA get it's funding from the commonwealth? If it does, wouldn't that mean that Australian funds are contributing to helping save Norfolk's history and culture?
Name: not here
Email: Fish_In_A_Big_Pond
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 06 April 2005
Time: 07:05:15 PM
Norfolk has in the past accepted Financial Aid so to speak....But always paid the money back.........Never has the island ever been in debt.....so here's hoping...it stays that way.....
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 06 April 2005
Time: 10:55:11 AM
Karwah, I couldn't agree more with much of what you say. I don't see how accepting financial aid takes anything away from us and our independence. Again, we are important to Australia too. The problem is that acceptance of financial aid for many infers an ownership over us by Australia and clearly many of ouwas sullun, whether es islenda ulla local feel daffy. We shouldn't be too proud to accept support and we shouldn't feel it makes us Australians or Australia.
Name: Karwah
Email: nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 03:53:03 PM
yes that's right, time does move on. But don't those traditonal foods contribute to Norfolk in it's identity??! I'm not saying you need to cook it everyday. The Islanders know what traditional food we ussa cook. All I am saying is that those things do factor into what makes Norfolk, Norfolk!
Name: last time
Email: OnNorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 03:44:17 PM
when was the last time you all went and picked HIHI ... made Mudda, cooked Pil-hi.... baked a sour milk bread or some blowup's...... batta still when was the last time yourley spoke Norfolk and types Norfolk in here...... time moves on....... dars all i el tull
Name: karwah
Email: nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 02:42:08 PM
How does receiving financial help from Australia take away Norfolk's identity and culture? It shouldn't be money that makes Norfolk's Identity, what makes Norfolk Island the way it is should be it's history, our ancestors, our older generation who are still alive(grandparents etc), our traditional food and culture etc. So why do you say we need to stop relying on Australia for financial assistance because of it taking away the focus of who Norfolk really is and that we should gain our independence ? So what, we rely on Australia for help! That's good. But I don't see how that does not preserve Norfolk! Money doesn't have anything to do with it. It's our backbone, history, ancestors, traditional food, island culture, our older generations that are alive etc etc. Not money!
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 01:57:23 PM
Anybody who says Norfolk Islanders as recently as the 40's never had passports, or indeed that passports weren't in use needs to get out a little more and speak with some of our elders. Its true we didn't need passports to enter Australia or New Zealand until about the late 70's but we certainly needed them to travel further a field and the ones we were issued were from the British until the 50's. My point remains, Norfolk is not and never has been Australia. To argue that we are because we depend upon them is about as flimsy an argument as there is. To make arguments based on where we would be without Australia is similiarly futile. Quite simply we are stuck with each other, but more than that we need each other. I encourage all locals and islanders to think about how we can preserve our independence, such that it is, not with the view towards total independence but a preservation of our island identity and culture, seperate and independent of Australia.
Name: ootatau
Email: itet@n.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 12:42:19 PM
With all due respect to the helicopter victims and their families, I believe that the flags should only be at halfmast for the following reasons: 1 Norfolk Islander or norfolk resident dies on Norfolk 2 Norfolk Islander or a person of strong affinity to Norfolk dies offshore. In a nutshell, if the pitcairn anthem gets played, then the flags should be at halfmast.I believe it is beauracratic bumbling, and sets a precedent which may mean the flags are halfmast almost permanently. It is our tradition for Norfolk and Norfolk Islanders.
Name: ootatau
Email: itet@f.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 12:35:33 PM
Name: ootatau
Email: itet@f.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 12:35:32 PM
Name: ootatau
Email: itet@f.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 April 2005
Time: 12:35:30 PM
Name: born and bred
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 02 April 2005
Time: 04:13:30 PM
I was once given a sight of wisdom from a respected elder. "White man has alot to answer for in this world of ours" Thanks goodness we have woken up and smelt the coffee beans.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 02 April 2005
Time: 04:05:38 PM
Grabramoon,
It does me good to know that you are still amongst the living, Sir! No offense taken as most humans on the face of this planet belong to a civilization that was a product of conquest:
Australia: "Ethnic groups: Caucasian 92%, Asian 7%, Aboriginal and other 1%"
I assume that you personally have probably killed as many Aboriginals as I have killed Native Americans, i.e., 0%...'nuff said, so no offense taken.
I know very little concerning police investigative techniques including your analysis of the Janelle Patton case which I have always looked up to you as an expert.
However, I cannot remain idle without stating that European disease killed most of the original Native American population and not "genocide".
Cheers!
Paul
P.S. Those evil Feds still have yet to reveal what dirt hath been uncovered concerning that ex-Rhodesian Selous Scout mercinary and ex-South African Army mercinary chemical weapons expert who is the prime suspect in the anthrax investigation. Perhaps he will get rich like Richard Jewell!
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: dumien
Country: Vatican City
Date: Saturday, 02 April 2005
Time: 11:35:08 AM
Ta Darls! That should put 'no apprehension' (n/a) back in their play-pen.
Surely whats MOST important here is that - as has been already noted below - the debate be conducted in a civil & genteel manner, in which no one's personal sensibilities are offended; & that there be no general falling-out amongst 'ucklun' over the issues involved.
Strictly speaking - in terms of black-letter international public law - Norfolk is not TECHNICALLY an integral part of Australia; it was NOT one of the colonial parties to the Australasian Federal Conventions of 1891, which created the Commonwealth of Australia.
On 1 January 1901, federation of the australasian colonies was finalized after a 10 year formative process, and the Commonwealth of Australia was initialized; as a dominion of the British Empire.
NEITHER the British colonies of Norfolk Island or New Zealand (NZ was originally part of NSW) were signatories to the federal pact.
Whilst I have no doubt that a close, amicable & mutually beneficial relationship between Norfolk & the Commonwealth will ALWAYS be vital for all concerned; there are other MULTILATERAL options which Norfolk may care to consider in the future - rather than relying exclusively on it's current assymetrical bilateral relationship with the Commonwealth, as per, eg:
http://nisdv.bravehost.com/securing_norfolks_future.html
ps. Paul: please don't take offence, but there can be NO COMPARISON between our treatment at the hands of the Commonwealth of Australia & the 'treatment' of the autochthonous peoples of North America.
On the whole the Commonwealth has treated us with benevolent - if somewhat neglectful - paternalism, as 'orphans of empire'; the native americans were pretty much exterminated.
Name: test
Email: testy
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 April 2005
Time: 10:32:51 AM
Name: Darls
Email: notforpublication.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 01 April 2005
Time: 09:57:33 PM
n/a - I can assure you Damn Yank and Grarbamoon are not the same person. Damn Yank and his wife are personal friends and they live in Virginia USA. Grarbamoon lives between Norfolk & Australia. Have a good weekend :)
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 01 April 2005
Time: 08:59:28 PM
I agree with karwah. It is a good idea for Norfolk to be as independent as possible, but everybody has to sit down and think, is it possible NOW? It may not be. At the moment we need Australia, need their help, whether it be medivacs, loans, whatever. Honestly, where would Norfolk get the money from to resurface the airport runway? By putting up departure taxes? Either nobody would come here because of the taxes or because the runway would be too far gone to land planes on. At the moment, Norfolk needs Australia just to survive so to try say that Norfolk doesn't need Australia is simply a pipe dream. So why don't we try to foster a better relationship with Australia to help give us all the lifestyle we dream of, and THEN start to look further at self government. Maybe it's just a case of yes, self government is good for Norfolk, but now is not the time.
Name: n/a
Email: na@novis.net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 March 2005
Time: 07:21:12 PM
Aren't Damn Yank and Grabramoon the same person?
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 31 March 2005
Time: 04:31:03 PM
This practically mirrors the Native American (indians) nations under the umbrella of the United States of America.
In actuality, they (our Government and Indian Nations) both have complaints yet still rely on each other.
Our Native Americans appear to have a common practice of proving their manhood by serving one hitch in the US Marine Corps after graduating high school whether the US Government is right or wrong. It is their own agenda and they just do it. They often do this to prove to their Nation that they are warriors.
In these troubled times, I look up to one forumer named Grabramoon who has always been able to reason.
Best regards,
Paul
Name: karwah
Email: nf@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 March 2005
Time: 11:21:27 AM
Yes I totally agree. Norfolk would be lost if they didn't have Australia. Norfolk needs australia. You'll soon realise how much you rely on Australia if you decided to have nothing to do with them, whether it be big or small. Who will you turn to for Emergency flights then? and for the many other things we heavily rely on australia for?
I am not against Norfolk, but we do need to face facts. Norfolk isn't ready to become independant.
Name: Who_Tull
Email: on_dar_rock.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 31 March 2005
Time: 11:06:52 AM
Born & Bred...........you omitted a very important aspect on your submission. Yes, a document of identity does get you in and out of Norfolk - but it won't get you anywhere else than in and out of AUSTRALIA.
Norlarnen - sorry, we have never held British passports nor come under their rule. Passports weren't even thought of in the 50's. Despite LOANS - it is Australia who put their hands up to help.
Darlene - well done for signing your name, standing by your family and explaining matters so well. If more submitters entered constructive messages, this forum would be worth reading.
Zoe - Like everyone else who use this forum - good on you for speaking out and expressing your opinions but more importantly for signing your name. It is good to see our younger generations speak out constructively and without vicious and personal attacks like other entries on here.
Everyone else hiding behind yourselves - use common sense and look at the big picture and admit what is true and correct.
Name: Trent tha rebel!
Email: conflicting_with_you@norfolk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 11:13:09 PM
Oh, Born and Bred,
I thought i el safely say thet i es Norfuk and i el speak just as much of tha Norfuk laanguag as you el, regardless of whether i el spell et rite.
Trent
Name: Trent tha Rebel!
Email: conflictingwithyou@norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 11:00:08 PM
Wow - so defensive against a land that offers so much! Honestly, I’m a born and bred Norfolk Islander and in Zoe’s defence I have to say that without Australia, we would be nothing, our tourism would be extremely low, we wouldn’t be able to make an income large enough to support ‘our own little island’, we hardly have enough money as it is because of shoving Australia off and telling them we don’t want their help. A few years back we got offered a couple of Wind Generators to replace the current ‘petrol’ run power plant, we said no we don’t want it, we got offered to have our roads fixed so that we don’t have the 10 foot deep craters that our government believes some tar and stones will fix, do you know the price of a Medi Vac at the moment? Because last time I checked, it can cost 1 person up to $10 000 or more, to be flown out in an emergency, this was another move that Australia made after our government decided to tell them where to put it. The cold blunt fact is, we need Australia, and we would have to pack up and leave to most likely New Zealand if that great big continent that causes most of you grief wasn’t there, be happy with what you got because the way we’re going, we won’t have it for much longer, and I can tell you now, our little ‘self governed’ island is going to be in the **** if they decide to bugger off.
On my Passport it claims that I am an Australian Citizen, born on Norfolk Island in 1986, and I have no problem with Australia or Norfolk, I love them both, and I have friends in both. If you offered a sick dog medicine and he turned around and bit you, what would you do?
Good on you Zoe.
Trent
Name: joel
Email: nanettes@aapt.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 07:54:02 PM
happy easter everyone on norfolk.From a friend in wollongong.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 03:50:29 PM
Darlene,
I am very pleased to see your contribution and many of the valid points you make. It is with the utmost respect that I reply.
I noticed that unlike your neice, no where in your submission do you refer to yourself or everyone else on Norfolk as being Australian.
As for financial aid, Norfolk is often unfairly painted as being on the end of a lot of one way support. We all know this financial aid is minimal and aside from KAHVA and Parks/Wildlife it is limited to periodical infrastrucural projects, often with years between them and in the case of the Airport upgrade a loan - not a hand out. I certainly do not wish for this to be seen as being ungrateful but simply a frank statement of fact. I would like to see more of us recognise what Norfolk brings to the table in security for Australia and the exstention of EEZ both of which is of considerable value (though Canberra refuses to disclose the actual sum they recieve in selling the rights of the latter).
One point I would like to counter, is that actually some of our people are "forced to take out citizenship" if they wish to represent our community in the Legislative Assembly. This is one of the more recent changes forced upon us from Canberra.
I don't think that I am alone in feeling that we have mostly been patient with and respectful towards Canberra in the past but that this has rarely been returned.
My views are not Anti-Australian. Just Pro-Norfolk. I see a lot of room for Norfolk to develop a relationship with Australia based on mutual respect and understanding - which will only come about when both sides recognise and appreciate the value they offer to each other. However, reading through the official reports and replies between our Government and Canberra over the JSC report last year and others like it shows us just where we are...
Name: Karwah
Email: sunnie_44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 03:34:46 PM
What is your real name 'born and bread Islander'?
Name: circuit breaker
Email: @
Country: French Polynesia
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 01:42:41 PM
"Those young women were well called les belles Tahitiennes. Their skins were like pale-brown satin, but exceeding all their other charms were their lustrous eyes. They were very large, liquid, melting, and indescribably feminine--feminine in a way lost to Occidental women save only the Andalusians and the Neapolitans. They were framed in the longest, blackest, curly lashes, the lashes of dark Caucasian children. They were the eyes of children of the sun, eyes that had stirred disciplined seamen to desertion, eyes that had burned ships, and created the mystery of the Bounty, eyes of enchantresses of the days of Helen."
http://www.fullbooks.com/Mystic-Isles-of-the-South-Seas-1.html
Name: Zoe King (Norfolk Island (Australia))
Email: butterfly1357@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 March 2005
Time: 12:48:34 PM
Hello again :)
I dont know where you all got that i was not calling myself an Islander, i jump at the chance to say "yeah im from Norfolk Island" because its unique and beautiful AND MY HOME!!!!!!! I was simply stating the fact that we have alot to thank Australia for as we rely heavily on their support, i dont know why its so hard for yorle to admit this...its a fact of life.
I would be very interested to know who you gutless ones are not stating your name... seems the younger generation were the only ones taught to share their veiws proudly and be big enough to put their name at the end of it.
Yes yes yes... is it a shame that thew flights are no longer $200...but that has nothing to do with Australia, how could we possibly blame them?
I wasn't taught this at school... as the school doesn't teach much about these issues, i developed my own opinions regarding this topic. And i am representing myslef...aren't we all? We dont get on here in groups and create these massive letter with everbodys opinions...because if we did we would only fallout as everybody has different opinions, and i previously was under the impression that everybody is intitled to share their opinions to educate themselves and others.
Hopefully you can all consider eachothers opinions...and look at these issues with a broader mind.
I look very forward to your replies
Zoe King from Norfolk Island and VERY proud to say so
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: notforpublication.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 08:11:03 PM
I am submitting my opinion on here as well as wearing my heart on my sleeve....of course and naturally. I say congratulations to my niece Zoe King for her contribution. Like many on here – she was merely stating her opinion and at least she had the GUTS to sign her name and SHE WAS BORN AND RAISED here on Norfolk Island. I wonder how many other forum contributors can say the same???? She is quite correct in what she says and whether or not we choose to acknowledge it - we are an external territory of Australia, (in effect, under their constitutional “umbrella”). We often hold out our hands to accept financial funding from Australia. Let’s be 100% honest - if it wasn't for Australia - we se sink lorng time ago. I am a born and bred Norfolk Islander and very proud of the fact but I am also very proud to hold an Australian Passport and to use their currency. We wouldn't get very far in this world if we had our own currency or travel document. By this I mean it wouldn't ever be recognised as we are a minute country. (Small country). I also served in the Australian Defence Force (as did many other Islanders over many years). It didn't mean I wasn't a Norfolk Islander. I will always be a Norfolk Islander and will always hold my head high with pride, and will always maintain the bigger perspective in mind. Over the years, there have been a great number of Islanders who were and still are recipients of the Australian Veterans Affairs pension. A great deal of our people moved and still move to Australia to further their careers or the like. We all continue our children’s education on the mainland - be it Australia or New Zealand - so again whether or not we choose to admit it – we do rely heavily on Australia. As far as a great deal of people on this island who don’t hold citizenship – well that is their choice. But again, whether we choose to admit it or not - the fact is although we are Norfolk Islanders, we are automatically Australian Citizens and nothing can or will change that. No one is forced to take out citizenship. Finally, we can maintain our special “cultural identity” as Norfolk Islanders having our own self governance etcetera but we can maintain “uwwus ways” without being ungrateful, disrespectful or unreasonable about necessary relationships throughout Australia and the rest of the world for that matter.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 04:22:54 PM
Es true ei nah bin lew orn Norfolk fe lorng taime, en las taime ei hoem wey sullun se chaenge, specially dem yunga sullun ei se shock fe see et. Ell meak a sull feel se ole. Growen up orn Norfolk en em 70's noe islendas would tull dem es Aussie, en nune oh ucklan would use "mainland" fe tork bout ar side.
So sullun se chaenge, waal dars onie normal. But Norfolk's history, legal en political status nor se chaenge. We still gut owas own gowement, control uwas own immigration. Do mine what a paper we use fe money (please yorlie - US$ es ar main currency underpinning moosa every currency in ar world, Hong Kong recorded US$122B in reserves last week, dar nor maek dem American). Es fe passports en a transparent travel fe ucklan into en out of Australia, so wah? til the 50's uwas passports was British. Medical cover in Oz - we still payen furret. Onie advantages dem giwen ucklan nor costen dem $1. Soe foot any oh dea ell maek a Norfolk Islenda wun Australien?
Es dem tull, do throw ar baby out with ar bath water! We hat fe fine ar meddle wae, we ent Australia en we car do fe be independent. But gut plenty room fe uklan tween dea two side. Onie nort fore we noew ouwas salf wheas ucklan.
Canberra, dem gut orl de taime en de world, after 40 years oh ossification se taime ouwas sullun se figure et out, fore se too laet.
Name: c.c.ryder
Email: cc@memphis.tn
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 02:46:45 PM
Good on you Zoe & supporters for expressing your point of view ...surely we can at least 'agree to disagree', in a civil & genteel manner; so here goes.
It looks like 150 years of politely ignoring the vexed subject of HISTORY at NICS is finally bearing sweet fruit for the Canberra Mandarins tasked with the delicate brief of assimilating territorial outriders such as Norfolk Island, into the 'Australasian Federal Settlement'.
The key POINT as I see it (& yes I'm a born & raised "indigenous" Norfolk Islander), is that 'Australia' represents yet another front, in what has been termed the "Western Liberal-Bourgeois Project", ie. expansion of european civilization throughout the world - by force of arms - since at least 1492.
The key QUESTION as I see it, is: "Are WE, (ie. ANYONE who considers themselves a Norfolk Islander, regardless of ethnic background) - or do we WANT to be - a part of the "Western Liberal-Bourgeois Project"??
Have a good hard look, at the rampant DEATH, DESTRUCTION & MAYHEM wrought against both non-western peoples (INCLUDING our own Tahitian ancestors) AND the Biosphere; in the name of europa's "mission civilatrice", over the last 500 years.
When our people stepped off the Morayshire ( http://www.jackfineart.com/gardn.htm ) in 1856, they wished to hold ALL property vested to them on Norfolk, in common. This was NOT a result of studying "The Communist Manifesto". It was a result of the 'organic communitarianism' which had developed as part of the nation-building process, on Pitcairn.
Surely identifying as a Norfolk Islander, means REJECTING, the dog-eat-dog/Devil-take-the-hindmost, 'materialist-ethic'; which is creating such disastrous social ANOMIE & ecological ENTROPY, not only in Australia, but throughout the 'Western' world.
It is not about being "anti-australian"; it is about valuing & building upon, our own 'Pacific' heritage, in constructing a NEW kind of society.
Name: Mard Ippy
Email: island_princess_ni@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 02:46:17 PM
Hmmm... I find it interesting that Zoe has these opinions - my how the younger generation has changed! I remember growing up on Norfolk and when representing Norfolk Island at functions/sporting events etc I NEVER introduced myself as an Australian, and I NEVER wore green and gold. In fact I was SO incredibly proud to say "I am a Norfolk Islander" and to wear the Green and White colours. Where has the pride in the Island gone? If we are apart of Australia then why at major world events (Commonwealth Games) are we recognised as Norfolk Island and why do we compete against Australia??? Also, find me an Australian that can say they come from the Mutiny? Sure Australia is Multicultural BUT no one there can claim the amazing history that we have - our unique past that the world is so fascinated in. Why do we want to be like Australia? Be nobodies...? Personally I like the fact that we are unique and 'special'. I realise that Norfolk is reliant on Australia in many ways - but we as a community and culture can NEVER be called Australian.
Maybe some of the younger ones on the Island that have this opinion need to get off the Island and experience being a nobody in a big city and realise just how amazing Norfolk is and really appreciate your heritage and culture. Don't take Norfolk for granted - but maybe this opinion comes with age...
I will forever be calling myself a Norfolk Islander with so much pride that people wish they were a part of our amazing part of the world.
Hope all yorley agree as it would be an incredibly sad day when/if 'Norfolk Islanders' are just a part of history and no longer exist...
Name: ootatau
Email: c@nf
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 01:50:50 PM
I'm pretty sure and confident that Norfolk is not a territory of NSW. Most People are lead to believe that it is an external territory of Australia. I for one strongly believe that there is alot of misconception about Norfolks status. I believe that Australia hasn't done a great deal good by Norfolk in the past. This attitude of norfolk being Australia does Norfolk a great injustice and ignores our unique beginnings and where we come from. Any attitudes which "australianizes" norfolk and denies our great history and culture, I'm against. We are neither "Australia" nor are we completely sovereign, but we have the right to determine our own destiny as 'Norfolk Islanders"
Name: Brent
Email: brentadams88@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 01:49:43 PM
well thats groovy an all zoe but i consider myself very much so a Norfolk Islander. Australian born but Norfolk bred. Yes Australia plays a role in Norfolk, only becasue Norfolk isn't ready for independence but when it comes, what a proud moment for many Norfolk Islanders. I love Norfolk, but i may agree with you zoe, things cant be achieved without help. and not just in our neck of the woods.
Name: karwah
Email: sunnie_44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 01:48:15 PM
Yes I agree with born and bred islander. We se learn ouwas language orn Norfuk, nort australia. We have our own language that dem aussies kar speak or even teach us how fe speak et, only dem real islanders ell. But this topic es tricky. I am not 100% sure of where we draw the line between being an Islander to being an Australian. We may use the same currency, passport as that of Australians, but we do have our own unique language that belongs to us, our own history that makes the island who it is today and our own traditional island food and culture etc. Also, I guess if we were australians, it would be a lot easier for aussies to move over to Norfolk to live permanently. But that's not the case because when people from australia want to live permanently orn Norfuk, we just don't say yes straight away as they have to apply for TEP etc. But as for islanders who come back home fe live, we ell do dar, simply because we es Islanders.
Name: ootatau
Email: c@nf
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 01:42:15 PM
Name: born and bred islander
Email: speak@Norfuk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 01:36:00 PM
I have a document of identifiaction which can only be used to go into and out of Norfolk Island and I also have a Norfolk Island birth certificate. This will forever be a topic that no-one can agree on but I am pretty sure I didn't learn to speak Norfolk in Australia.
Name: karwah
Email: sunnie_44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 01:20:56 PM
Although Norfolk may be a little dot in the ocean by itself, it still comes under as a territory of NSW. Our citizenship is Australian. We use Australian passports, currency is the same as australia. The only thing different is that Norfolk has it's own government and legislation etc. I'm not bagging out Norfolk, because I'm proud to be an Islander. Those who are born on the Island are Islanders but on our passports our citizenship is with Australia. But the way how I see it, is that Norfolk is a part of Australia as it is a territory of NSW.
Name: essme@norfolk
Email: ya.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 11:59:36 AM
Excuse Me..........Zoe King is quite right and good on her for signing her name. I want to know what currency and passport norlarnen, do tull, sorry furret and islander@yourlyetaalknorfuk use???? I also would like to know what norfuk language yorlye bin learn enn side yorlye learn ett??? enn I like a knoew wisside yorlye born???? enn hoew many yorlye ess true islander??? Good on ya Zoe!!
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 11:41:39 AM
e) because Australian politicians have long "played the game", like the Brit on his tour of duty. They have long recognised Norfolk's geopolitical importance to Australias secruity and ensured we remain subordinate and in need of their support due to our lack of resources, material and human, which prevent us from being fully independent.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@yourlyetaalknorfuk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:30:19 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@yourlyetaalknorfuk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:30:16 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@yourlyetaalknorfuk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:30:07 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@weallltalknorfuk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:29:08 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@weallltalknorfuk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:28:18 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@weallltalknorfuk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:28:14 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander@weallltalknorfuk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:27:50 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some hard facts as well because if we really are all Australian, foot we nor see any cheap Australian airflights lorng fe uklun. Semus a thing uklun should be se taalk Norfuk orn ya, en all dem sullen caa wuthen we laarnen if yourlye el read dee semus a thing yourlye ent all Australian. He he tek daar.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:17:28 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some facts too. If Norfolk is in fact Australian how come we don't get cheap Australian flights en we el taalk wun uther laanguag. En semus a thing dem Australians caa wuthen we laarnen so maybe we all speak Norfolk orn ya en se siide all yourlye se come from.
Name: born and bred
Email: islander
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 09:17:14 AM
Good on you nor larnen I would like to see some facts too. If Norfolk is in fact Australian how come we don't get cheap Australian flights en we el taalk wun uther laanguag. En semus a thing dem Australians caa wuthen we laarnen so maybe we all speak Norfolk orn ya en se siide all yourlye se come from.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 March 2005
Time: 12:48:38 AM
Here's a small Pop Quiz for you Zoe
Norfolk Island is a synonomous with both with being Australia and Norfolk Islanders with being Australian based on the following: a) Two Australian banks have set up on Norfolk for the sole reason of taking advantage of the economic opportunities there b) Because some uninformed contributors said in the forum that the Australian government pays teachers salaries up ar school c)Because Australian currency is a recognised currency and used for legal tender on the island (some shops also accept the kiwi dollar so where does that leave us?) d) "Funding for all sorts of things" e) Because some Brit on tour of duty in the Colony of NSW made a unilateral decsion in what they considered to be the best interests of the crown in the 19th century.
If you are willing to enter into this debate further could you please take some time to explain your statement "I dont know how many arguements people have to state for the island to recognise that we are infact Australians... " perhaps even going so far as to outline the "arguments" because to date there haven't been any that hold any real water.
I would genuinely like to hear some real arguments of how one justifies that Australia is Norfolk and that Norfolk is Australia based on the so called "facts".
Name: Sorry furret
Email: sorry@nf.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 28 March 2005
Time: 07:16:27 PM
It is a sad state of affairs on Norfolk if this is the opinion that some of ouwas young sullen have. I think that her reasoning is a little weak to reach the conclusion that everyone on this island is Australians and that Norfolk is Australia. I dont know if they foster this view at NICS or what. Perhaps she should hit the history books or maybe listen to a broader range of peoples opinions. God Halp Ucklen
Name: do tull
Email: g@h.com
Country: Falkland Islands
Date: Monday, 28 March 2005
Time: 07:07:14 PM
I don't know who Zoe king thinks she is representing, but there are many many Norfolk Islanders and long term residents on Norfolk who dont hold Australian citizenship, and dont consider themselves Australians. There are also many People who hold Australian Passports, and dont consider themselves anything else but "norfolk Islanders"
Name: do tull
Email: g@h.com
Country: Falkland Islands
Date: Monday, 28 March 2005
Time: 07:07:12 PM
I don't know who Zoe king thinks she is representing, but there are many many Norfolk Islanders and long term residents on Norfolk who dont hold Australian citizenship, and dont consider themselves Australians. There are also many People who hold Australian Passports, and dont consider themselves anything else but "norfolk Islanders"
Name: do tull
Email: g@h.com
Country: Falkland Islands
Date: Monday, 28 March 2005
Time: 07:07:11 PM
I don't know who Zoe king thinks she is representing, but there are many many Norfolk Islanders and long term residents on Norfolk who dont hold Australian citizenship, and dont consider themselves Australians. There are also many People who hold Australian Passports, and dont consider themselves anything else but "norfolk Islanders"
Name: do tull
Email: g@h.com
Country: Falkland Islands
Date: Monday, 28 March 2005
Time: 07:07:06 PM
I don't know who Zoe king thinks she is representing, but there are many many Norfolk Islanders and long term residents on Norfolk who dont hold Australian citizenship, and dont consider themselves Australians. There are also many People who hold Australian Passports, and dont consider themselves anything else but "norfolk Islanders"
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 27 March 2005
Time: 09:36:26 PM
I disagree with tom with regards to the drugs not being discussed on this forum. Drugs should be discussed at every opportunity, at all levels, in all places. This is one way of ensuring that everybody is informed as to their effect on the users and those close to them. If potential visitors are going to be turned off by the fact that drugs are present on Norfolk and go looking somewhere else for a holiday they will soon realise that drugs are EVERYWHERE. No matter where you go you can get drugs of various types and descriptions. Trying to say people won't come here because they might read that drugs are on the island is just burying your head in the sand and hoping the problem will go away. Drugs will NOT go away, they are here and will STAY, until Norfolk as a whole gets together and does something about it. There has been previous discussion about a drug dog - why don't the MLA's do something about it? A dog will not only check the stuff coming in by air (which has probably already been checked anyway) but what is being done with the stuff coming in off the ship? Is that checked for drugs? A drug dog, although expensive, could SAVE LIVES. Isn't that what it's all about?
Name: Zoe King (Australia (Norfolk Island))
Email: butterfly1357@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 27 March 2005
Time: 06:27:22 PM
Hey yorle... Well well well... i dont often come on here to read the "forum", only when theres a bit of a rukus... but each time i have, i have been thoroughly disappointed. Dont you think that Norfolk has bigger issues than a hole at THE BEACH...Where children often dig holes, trying to see how big they can make them, convering eachother up to their necks... and theres this much of a rukus about two bigger kids digging a hole... im sure they were more bored than the children at the beach.
I dont know how many arguements people have to state for the island to recognise that we are infact Australians... and nothign we say is ever going to chaneg that. We rely heavily on them... where would we be without them? Commonwealth banks, currency, funding for all sorts of things over here... its all because of Australia.
We can blame the fact that drugs make there way over here on many things... but it doesn't matter where you live... there gonna get there.
I dont expect this email to change your opinions on any of these matters, but i do ask you to consider the more important issues that we face here on little Norfolk Island
Thanx yorle... Happy Easter
Zoe
Name: Tom
Email: @norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 27 March 2005
Time: 12:18:38 PM
I thought it was time that everyone got over the big hole and stop bringing drugs, speeding etc. into it. We all know it goes on but why not disucss your views somewhere else where it can not be viewed by potentional visitors. Norfolk doesnt need this, its a bad look. Drugs maybe a problem on Norfolk Island but lets be thankfull we are not on the mainland, Norfolk is only one small problem compared to that.
Name: Se wae we se come orn Norfolk
Email: more_people_should_care@home.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 March 2005
Time: 11:53:40 AM
There is an old saying..........You Reap What You Sow......and this is so very true. The upshot is - if parents cannot and will not be firmer with their kids and stop allowing them to rule their lives - then the world / Norfolk Island would be different. If you have SLAP DASH parents - then you will have SLAP DASH kids........this will probably hit home with a lot of people - but face facts - LIFE STARTS AT HOME with PARENTS so it is them who need to take a long hard look at themselves. Oh yes by the way - I do have children but the number one rule in our home is they don't rule our lives or tell us what to do and when to do it. We constantly remind them who is in charge at home and socially. Try it...........you might find kids stay at home and help with chores rather than driving around and around all day every day.
Name: do we want this on our island?
Email: cawa@wuthingwenorn
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 25 March 2005
Time: 11:07:34 PM
i'm most concerned to hear about the number of hard drugs circulating the island at the moment and in particular the ages of children taking these drugs, yes children. How are these drugs getting onto the island?and what kind of sicko's gives hardcore drugs to children? i think its time the island started bringing in sniffer dogs on a regular basis. if only parents knew exactly what was going on during the weekends i think the young teenagers of norfolk island would no longer have the freedom they're used to
Name: just me
Email: justreply@forum
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 25 March 2005
Time: 10:52:50 PM
Norfolk teenagers spend their weekends drinking, taking drugs and speeding in their vehicles because there bored. So i'm thinking if 2 kids can dig a massive hole on a friday night than imagine what the others could do. maybe the others should follow, use their talents and who knows before long they could have constructed something that may be of use to the island eg a youth centre. So kids next time ur bored on a friday night pick up a shovel and get to work, the sense of achievement will far outweigh the satisfaction of gettin orn et on a fraidey nite. WE know this isn't going to happen so maybe we should say thanks 4 the apology ben and bruiser, better a hole than another accident.
Name: GET ON WITH IT
Email: right-here-right-now.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 25 March 2005
Time: 06:35:41 PM
Loosen up all yorlye. If you want to air your grievances and bad washing - do it somewhere else. No wonder the tourists read this forum then go elsewhere because we are getting just as bad as the mainland. All of yorlye GET A BLOODY LIFE and grow up.
Name: u need a life...
Email: uneedalife@www.whocares.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 March 2005
Time: 01:02:48 PM
"Jeff Chaucer" dude, seriously who would go and get all that jargon about bacon, that just makes me hungry, i and probably most of the people on this forum are not here to get english lesson, and Mr. Leighton would know alot more than u, so stick that humbo jumbo crap in the recycle bin and talk about some atleast important issues about the island.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 04:24:11 PM
I agree. This thread has been stretched far enough. Lets move on.
Name: Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 03:30:37 PM
So really... you're accusing me of not actually studying Hamlet?
Aside from that, the rest of the post convinced us all that you can use big words and argue points that anyone other than Shakespeare himself, would read, then exhale, possibly roll their eyes and move on.
Well done.
*Exhales, rolls eyes and moves on*
Name: Jeff Chaucer
Email: Jeff@luminarium.org
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 03:13:59 PM
RE: Name: Ben Pennycuick Email: finjamin@hotmail.com Country: Norfolk Island Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 Time: 03:22:30 PM
Ben: OK so you're not your average lowbrow earthmoving-nut, point taken; however, IF as you claim, whilst not engaged in nocturnal trench-digging, you while away the hours in hermeneutic analyis of such masterpieces of the Western Canon as 'Hamlet' & 'Julius Caesar, & more particularly "the context & circumstances in which they were written" ...then you would NOT be so casually attributing authorship to William Shakespeare.
There is in fact compelling evidence that the entire body of work commonly attributed to William Shakespeare, was in fact authored by the polymath Sir Francis Bacon (later Lord Verulam and the Viscount St. Albans).
Consider the following piece of red hot evidence, forensically exhumed by myself from a still extant second quarto edition of 'Love's Labour's Lost' compiled in 1598, from 'foul papers' (ie. rough drafts):
Given Bacon's penchant for semiotic riddles, the so-called 'mystery' word found in 'Love's Labour's Lost' - "honorificabilitudinitatibus", is quite clearly a semiotic anagram, thus:
"hi ludi F.Baconis nati tuiti orbi" ...or "these plays born of F.Bacon are preserved for the world".
Please bring this to the attention of your English Teacher, for their personal edification. I rest my case.
Full Script of 'Love's Labour's Lost'
Name: Jeff Chaucer
Email: Jeff@luminarium.org
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 03:13:53 PM
RE: Name: Ben Pennycuick Email: finjamin@hotmail.com Country: Norfolk Island Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 Time: 03:22:30 PM
Ben: OK so you're not your average lowbrow earthmoving-nut, point taken; however, IF as you claim, whilst not engaged in nocturnal trench-digging, you while away the hours in hermeneutic analyis of such masterpieces of the Western Canon as 'Hamlet' & 'Julius Caesar, & more particularly "the context & circumstances in which they were written" ...then you would NOT be so casually attributing authorship to William Shakespeare.
There is in fact compelling evidence that the entire body of work commonly attributed to William Shakespeare, was in fact authored by the polymath Sir Francis Bacon (later Lord Verulam and the Viscount St. Albans).
Consider the following piece of red hot evidence, forensically exhumed by myself from a still extant second quarto edition of 'Love's Labour's Lost' compiled in 1598, from 'foul papers' (ie. rough drafts):
Given Bacon's penchant for semiotic riddles, the so-called 'mystery' word found in 'Love's Labour's Lost' - "honorificabilitudinitatibus", is quite clearly a semiotic anagram, thus:
"hi ludi F.Baconis nati tuiti orbi" ...or "these plays born of F.Bacon are preserved for the world".
Please bring this to the attention of your English Teacher, for their personal edification. I rest my case.
Full Script of 'Love's Labour's Lost'
Name:
Email: f
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 08:25:52 AM
"In language clarity is everthing."
Confucius
Name: bloke
Email: son@castle
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 07:42:33 AM
Hey dad - I dug another hole.
good on ya son !!
Name: Trent tha rebel!
Email: sitting-on-tha-fence@borderline.com
Country: Bhutan
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005
Time: 12:04:02 AM
LOL (laugh out loud), Bhutan sounds like a cool country! Ha ha, anyway, too all seriousness…
Before I state my point of view, please understand that I encourage any criticism and/or replies to my post.
Ben, Ben, Ben…and Michael, I really don’t understand why you did what you did, digging a hole on a fairly boring weekend, especially when you could have been out smoking dope, drinking alcohol, and you never know, maybe ‘hooking up’ with one of the Islands many young girls, you could have stolen a car, might have been one of the ‘forums readers’ cars, maybe even crashed it! You could have broken into one of the stores around Burnt Pine, gone driving at 160km/h through town with your stereo blaring, you could have gone to a party, got drunk, taken E’s, speed and other illegal substances and then gone and done any of the above… but instead, you choose to dig a hole at the entrance of Emily Bay.
I’m 18, and Ben is not much younger than I, but as we are of this age we are expected to be more mature and more respectful to the public – growing up to meet the local residents expectations. I have done/do some of the above, and I’m sure that there would be a few that read this post and say to themselves, “Yeah, I did that once”. My point is, ‘nothings perfect’, thus implying, no ones perfect, we can argue morals and ethics all day on this forum get nowhere. Not to sound old, but Ben and Michael are the two most well behaved ‘kids’ I know, and in a lot of ways better than me! I commend you Ben, not because you don’t take drugs, not because you don’t drink alcohol, simply because… That was a really nice hole!
Trent.
Name: islander overseas
Email: brissy@brisbane.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 09:08:23 PM
I agree with with "wat the", ripping of islanders because they r trying 2 type quicker and use less space is pathetic, get a life, stop complaining and taking up server space.
p.s what-a-whey all ucklun on the island, be seeing u soon
Name: wat the
Email: watthe@hotmail.com
Country: Antigua_and_Barbuda
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 07:51:34 PM
wat has gone wrong with you guys, serious, it was a good damn hole, so it was big, woopdy do, wat else do u do at the beach, and serious, if these 2 guys where bored enough on a Friday nght, to dig a big bloody hole, then instead of calling them wateva, just have a laugh and get over it, plus, now the convo has moved to the english language (u can nock my language all u want, i couldnt care less, its quicker 2 type) its starting to become a serious waste of server space, guys, there are bigger issues in the world, and on norfolk, get over it
Name: ....
Email: whocares@mail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 04:10:07 PM
i agree with ben....dont go and critize anyone,cause no one is perfect....everyone on here critizing should get a life!! norfolk is suppose to be a friendly community and people are suppose to be there to support, but u people are making that not happen...you are letting norfolk down! ben/micael said sorry, so take it and leave it!
Name: Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 03:22:30 PM
"Seems most public schools these days don't teach anything beyond comic book browsing - & mainly 'understanding' the pictures, at that."
^ - Sir, I think that's a wildly exaggerated and generalised statement. I have been a student of public schools my entire schooling life, the vast majority of which, has been spent at NICS.
I have just finished reading and studying Shakespeare's literary masterpieces, 'Julius Caesar' and 'Hamlet' and am currently studying, with relation to those two texts, how the context and circumstances in which they were written, shapes our understanding and comprehension of both works.
I've just gone back through both texts and couldn't find a single picture!
Name: Jeff Chaucer
Email: Jeff@luminarium.org
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 02:30:34 PM
The most effective way to learn 'best-practice' grammar and spelling is through READING the classics of English Literature & ANALYSING the style of Masters of the language such as George Orwell, Gustave Flaubert, Vladimir Nabokov et al.
Seems most public schools these days don't teach anything beyond comic book browsing - & mainly 'understanding' the pictures, at that.
No wonder the kids are having problems with reading & writing.
Name: it et
Email: itet@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 01:39:53 PM
This whole discussion is silly. Whether you like it or not, the previous entries spelling and grammar doesn't give the entry much credibility. One would think that "beech" was a typo error, but when it is used 2 or 3 times, it does make you wonder.
Name: Brent Adams
Email: brentadams88@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 11:08:35 AM
To Madam Teacher, If you were in school classroom trying to air your views about a issue or matter with a inquisitive teacher pearing over ones shoulder then perhaps you would be trying to write as fast as possible. As you have choosen to pick up on simple mistakes Madam Teacher, maybe you should examine many adults spelling and grammar that are supposed to be professionals here on the island.
Name: Empathic Listener
Email: @norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 10:18:13 AM
This is addressed to Ben and Michael. Congratulations for the action and responsibility you took in not only publicly admitting your actions but you have entered it on the world wide web. Well done. What many have failed to comment on is the correct and concerning information on what does happen here on Norfolk. The speeding, drug using, injecting, violence, drinking and many other forms of unacceptable behaviours from adults, who are the role models of all younger people to model their behaviours from. As young people, it is all about learning to grow with responsiblity for our actions. If 'mistakes', preferable to use poor choices are made, then guidance and understanding of the action, consequences and ways of changing the outcome are important to all human beings, especially our young human beings. What you did was maybe unacceptable, your behaviour unacceptable. This does not make you a bad person. Contrary, you have apologised, followed the steps of taking responsibility and more than that as I have said, spoken of the true destruction of what is happening here on the island to all age groups. To all of you, who have expressed such destructive critism on how these boys have 'owned up', sit back and look at your time and your 'mistakes' or 'poor choices' and garanteed you did not own up publicly or on the world net. No, this behaviour is not condoned, but certainly the apology needs to be accepted and not continuously degraded. It is called empathy and empathic understanding.Look to the top of the page and read between the quotes-this whole forum is open to the world to read, and their judgement of Norfolk will be so tainted with the anger and threats and unacceptable comments. At least they will see young people being responsible for their behaviours.
Name: Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 08:12:01 AM
Thank you very much EssTrue.
Name: EssTrue
Email: EssTrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 March 2005
Time: 07:53:13 AM
Spelling ? Grammar ? These are important in some areas of life.
Responsibility ? Honesty ? Integrity ? These are important in all areas of life.
They have signed their names, Owned up to their actions and put themselves up for scrutiny by the public.
You pick which traits are important to the future of this island and indeed the world.
Name: norlarnen is...
Email: whydoyouwantit@why
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 10:54:26 PM
To whomever wrote this needs to take deep thought of what he or she has written. "They were a couple of smart arses to do what they did and have been even bigger smart arses coming in here and making the pathetic back handed apology that they have. And now, as they continue with their drivel in here I'd like to nominate them for Norfolks "Smart Arse of the Year Award 2005". Still, if they keep it up they may show they have the "legs" to go all they way and hang themselves."
also really what i think of you norlarnen is that YOU ARE A DICKHEAD.
Name: Madam Teacher
Email: school.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 09:21:51 PM
What a worry to think we have students writing on here who cannot even spell properly or use grammar in the correct way. What language are we teaching the kids??????????????
Name: My name is Ross
Email: manypeople@knowit
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 02:48:52 PM
"Mr. Angry Old Man" is not really an old man, he is really Ali aged 16 not really 74... you lier...
Name: Brent Adams
Email: brentadams88@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 02:01:35 PM
to all of the over concered or perhaps sour people that have conveyed their "democratic views" towards the actions taken by Ben Pennycuick and Michael Ryding in the trench at beech affair maybe its time that you get out and live a little. it annoys me severely by the countless people that have written something but have withheld their names, what Ben and Michael was dumb,but at least they had the guts to publicly admit that the trench was their doing and wrote an apology that was mocked by members of the community. The two "smart-asrse's" dug a hole. has our community become so threatned by a hole, I dont think i ever read about Sydney community members criticising characters from the movie "The Castle" about digging a hole. something so trivial as a hole dug on a beech should be gotton over by disgruntle locals. Ben and Michael apologised. I would like to think that the Norfolk Community should get over it. If anyone would like to air their "views" about what i have written, please email me personally and we can talk more...
Name: nottellingyou
Email: dunno@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 12:32:05 PM
well all this stuff about ben and micheal needs to be let go of it all, it all goten way outta of hand they have said there are sorry wat more do you want.;..obviously you guys are jsut really bored
Name: Angry Old Man
Email: angry@oldman.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 12:28:59 PM
to Ben & Michael, and ross cause i heard you bad mouthing me as well....
i think you should get something better to do, coz i am really tough and you wouldn't want to mess with this. i may be 74 but i can still pack a lot.
from the Angry Old Man
p.s i see all
Name: Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 10:21:01 AM
"They were a couple of smart arses to do what they did"
Can you please explain to me how it was "smart arse"? The motivation behind the hole was nothing more than sheer boredom. Perhaps if we had some point to prove or were TRYING to rub someone up the wrong way, then we COULD have been "smart arses". As it stands, seeing as there was absolutely no point whatsoever to the hole, who were we "smart arse-ing"?
I'd also like to make it clear that Michael has nothing to do with writing this. He has left the hole behind and is genuinely sorry for everything that has resulted from our act of boredom. I just do not like being insulted over an issue as trivial as a hole on the beach. If you have anything further to say, please email me about it, as clogging up the forum with this "drivel" is in no way constructive.
Name: unknown
Email: unknown
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 10:19:10 AM
ben and micheal are the two nicest people on the island, and you cant bad mouth them because of one silly thing ( which they didnt think would make such a stir and they are really sorry) everyone out there cant say they have never done anything wrong, and would take it back. so i think everyone should just get over it and move on, and back off! yorli oviuosly dont know ben and micheal well enough to bad mouth them....no one is perfect.THINK ABOUT IT....they never did it to hurt anyone...
p.s to the old grumpy man watching them....we are watching u
Name: Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 10:05:14 AM
(and who in their right mind wouldn’t know that digging a "hole" as he described it, is a crime!)
^ - Me...
So you dug a big hole....stupid perhaps but not a serious crime.
^ - Bingo...
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 March 2005
Time: 09:49:29 AM
They were a couple of smart arses to do what they did and have been even bigger smart arses coming in here and making the pathetic back handed apology that they have. And now, as they continue with their drivel in here I'd like to nominate them for Norfolks "Smart Arse of the Year Award 2005". Still, if they keep it up they may show they have the "legs" to go all they way and hang themselves.
Name: n/a
Email: na@novis.net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 21 March 2005
Time: 10:16:36 PM
Ben, I don't know you or how big the hole was you dug.... all I can say is, in the scheme of things, if this is the worst crime you ever commit in your life you won't be doing too badly. After all you didn't set someones house on fire, drive in a drunken/drugged frenzy and kill someone, get into a fight because someone looked at you the wrong way, or rape someone or shoot someone. So you dug a big hole....stupid perhaps but not a serious crime.
Name: Name withheld
Email: none
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 21 March 2005
Time: 09:44:40 PM
In reply to Bens post (whoever he is). Bens just seems to be digging himself another hole, he has an answer for everything. Good on him for apologizing but he has to accept that this was a crime (and who in their right mind wouldn’t know that digging a "hole" as he described it, is a crime!) and everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the their un-thoughtful boredom, I mean once is no good, but twice is just pushing it! I know for a fact that if it were anyone else they would have been charged! My name is withheld as i don’t believe it is necessary to post it, I’m only stating my opinion. By the way for the record Ben, I would love to see my child dig a hole as big as yours.
Name: Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 21 March 2005
Time: 06:16:17 PM
"in regards to Ben and Michaels apology was pathetic, and if i ever caught them doing anything out of line again, they will catch it, by sam...........
from an angry old man who is watching you"
With regards to the above post - Sir, if you have an opinion on the issue, have the courtesy and courage to post your real name.
I am not sure what form or caliber of apology you would want to hear, and, if you think an apology is simply out of the question, and digging a hole at the beach is too horrific and terrible an act, I can't do anything. I'm just sorry you feel that way.
If you would be so kind as to tell me what you think should be appropriate punishment for our "crime", which was, by the way - "Damaging a public reserve", I will gladly take your comments on board as from your post, I can assume you are the spitting image of perfection and anything you say is obviously invaluable advice.
Just to reassure you, so you won't have to keep an eye on me, this hole digging is the first thing I have done, contemplated doing and intend to do, that even comes close to being illegal. I'm still not entirely sure what the "crime" was and how 'they' intended to charge us as, if 'they' charged us with "damaging a public reserve", surely, every hole dug by your children on the beach constitutes the same thing. I cannot say this with absolute certainty, but I would not think the law states specific size margins. And the "public reserve" in question does include the entire area.
Finally, sir, if you do decide to post again and tell me exactly where I've gone wrong and how to turn my life around, leaving behind this horrific crime, please try to convey a sense of at least marginal intelligence so I can take your arguments with some degree of credibility.
Name: c.c. ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 21 March 2005
Time: 02:38:25 PM
RE:
Name: aussie Email: aussie@aussie.com Country: Australia Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005 Time: 12:39:27 PM
POINT 1: Lets get one thing straight 'aussie'; no one is in here "Aus" bashing.
The constitutional federation of the australasian colonies in the last century - by definition - implicitly incorporated the principles of what has come to be known as 'Public-Choice Theory' (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Choice ) ...which is precisely why the so called 'founding fathers' did not opt for a unitary state.
Therefore, in seeking greater autonomy within the bounds of the Commonwealth, Norfolk Island is simply continuing a foundational tradition of the Australasian Federal Settlement.
POINT 2: As has been noted previously in this Forum, Norfolk renders far greater 'tribute' to the Commonwealth via: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"...services rendered vis-a-vis 'EEZ Leveraging'.
After all, for over 147 years now, Norfolk has been a source of vast, compounding, imputed/latent revenue for the Commonwealth in terms of the massive extension it provides to Australia's Exclusive Economic Zone, cf:
http://www.ga.gov.au/nmd/mapping//marbound/images/marzones_map.pdf ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
...than the Commonwealth renders to Norfolk.
The then Minister for Regional Services Territories and Local Government, Hon. Wilson Tuckey MP, spelled the above point out explicitly in his statement on "The Federal Government’s Interests in, and Obligations to, Norfolk Island", as tabled in the NI Legislative Assembly on 25 September 2002
To wit:
"This brings me back to the question of what exactly are the Federal Government’s national interests and obligations [EDIT: IE. TO NORFOLK ISLAND].
While I do not believe that an all-encompassing list is possible, there are a number of broad categories which I will briefly describe.
As already mentioned, the most obvious of the national interests are national security and defence.
As an Australian sovereign territory within Australia’s sphere of influence in the Pacific, Norfolk Island has clear strategic significance.
It has been used for Australian Defence Force special operations and as a support base for patrol boats and Coastwatch aircraft conducting surveillance. In return the Federal Government guarantees to protect the Island’s residents at need.
It is also in the national interest that Norfolk Island generates an Exclusive Economic Zone for Australia and significantly increases Australia’s LegalContinental Shelf, as defined under the United Nations Convention on the
156Law of the Sea. These areas include fisheries (and potentially oil and mineral resources) which can be used for the benefit of all Australians.
From these interests flow obligations to ensure the sustainable management andconservation of living and non-living marine resources around Norfolk Island.
The sea and seabed surrounding Norfolk Island from the low watermark out to 200 nautical miles (the Exclusive Economic Zone) and beyond(the Contiguous Zone) is vested in and regulated by the Federal Governmentin accordance with national and international laws."
So, by all means, come in here & make CONSTRUCTIVE comment; but if you simply intend to clear your clacker ...do it elsewhere.
Name: angry old man
Email: aom@email.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 March 2005
Time: 02:00:22 PM
in regards to Ben and Michaels apology was pathetic, and if i ever caught them doing anything out of line again, they will catch it, by sam...........
from an angry old man who is watching you
Name: Whats the Point
Email: keepsmilin@itsallgood.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 20 March 2005
Time: 12:05:16 PM
I have recently sat down & read a fair bit of what has been put forward on this forum, at the end of the day in an overview it is just down right nasty. I come from Norfolk & growing up over there I have seen my share of pointless behaviour I have even participated more than once (quite often actually), I love Norfolk & everything about it. I love that when you are seriously unwell people who wouldnt normally talk to you ask how your doing,I love that if you have an accident they call to see how you are or if there is anything they can do to help, I love that if a family member passes away Islanders from the wood works come with food & want to help just to make your life easier & I love knowing that if I am in trouble I have more than one door to knock on for help & would recieve it no questions asked. So for all the boredom rumours or not so nice comments which can & are passed around each & every day Its just boredom. For the sake of all Norfolk has to offer in a good way I think I can overlook alot fo things that happen on Norfolk which really dont need all this aggression & horrible talk about a place & people that you cant find anywhere else in the world. I dont live on Norfolk anymore and a frequent amount of times I have been angry at things, but at the end of the day Norfolk itself is beautiful & the people who live there all come together when disaster strikes. Yes many islanders have been known to do some horribly things but more often than not Norfolk Islanders will do all they can for you when & if you need them and so many times you dont even have to ask they just no. Nobody on Norfolk has any room to criticise others if they didnt do bad or painful themselves then a family member has. Sit down & read what people right in hear its sad to log on to have a gander at what is happening on Norfolk & see nothing but criticism.
Name: thinkaboutit
Email: dodo@dodo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 20 March 2005
Time: 09:56:48 AM
The relevant points made below about Australia's aid to nations around its own border is not for regional stability. How much money does Australia make from the gas and oil in the east timor sea.
So why do they really care about Norfolk, there has got to be something in it for them. Just think about it.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005
Time: 12:40:48 PM
Punishment for Mischief...
When I look back at my youth and ponder some of the antics that I found amusing at the time, I just say to myself, "what was I thinking!"
Years ago when I was aroung sixteen years of age, I thought that I would get a real hoot out of sniping at this rather humongous wasp nest from a safe distance of about 15 meters using my Daisy Red Rider BB-gun.
I laid there in my safe little prone position far away from the danger. I would peck the nest with a single shot and then laugh so hard at the angry bees swarming around trying to figure out what was going on. As soon as the wasps settled back down, I would peck their nest again with a single shot and my jovial laughter would be instantly recharged. I thought that I was so clever until...
After about ten minutes (about five pecks of the nest with my BB gun)...I do not know how they figured out that I was the little culprit that was wreaking havoc on their livlihood, but suddenly they were all around me in a swarm! OUCH!
I hi-tailed myself out of that danger zone so rapidly that I left my BB gun behind!
The moral O' the story is BEES ARE SMART!!! OUCH!
Until next time, take care across the miles...
Paul
Name: aussie
Email: aussie@aussie.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005
Time: 12:39:27 PM
To all the "Aus" bashers on your little island, about time you woke up to yourselves!!
Which country just loaned you the money to upgrade your airport?????
Name: whats it to u?!
Email: nor@gut.wun
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005
Time: 11:59:40 AM
good on ben and micheal for owning up. what they did was wrong and they have respected the communities respose and appologised-whatmore do u want or need? what right do the crazy teenagers have to be making a disgrace of themsevles and to NI by playing their steroes WAY to loud, waking residents and visitors to the island. their speed limits are out of control and the disrespect for others is incredablly rude, and what the so-called police doing about it nothing. the teens roam and rule norfolk when it comes to the weekend and it is getting out of hand. they should get some respect for the community and keep norfolks reputation at a high standard.
cheers
Name: whats it to u?!
Email: nor@gut.wun
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005
Time: 11:59:12 AM
good on ben and micheal for owning up. what they did was wrong and they have respected the communities respose and appologised-whatmore do u want or need? what right do the crazy teenagers have to be making a disgrace of themsevles and to NI by playing their steroes WAY to loud, waking residents and visitors to the island. their speed limits are out of control and the disrespect for others is incedaliy rude, and what the so-called police doing about it nothing. the teens roam and rule norfolk when it comes to the weekend and it is getting out of hand. they should get some respect for the community and keep norfolks reputation at a high standard.
cheers
Name: whats it to u
Email: nor_gut@wun.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 19 March 2005
Time: 11:50:00 AM
googd on ben and micheal for owning up. what they done was worng, but the have accepted the disgrace of the communities reponse! they are so right about the crazy teens that roam and rule the streets when it comes to the weekend. they need to SLOW DOWN and have some consideratin for the other community members and visitors. tourism is norfolk main industry, without it were would we be?? we dont want to give norfolk island a bad name and ruin our reputation!!! HAVE SOME RESPCT
Name: Michael Ryding and Ben Pennycuick
Email: finjamin@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 18 March 2005
Time: 09:34:41 PM
We are the "two young "diggers" who dug the trech at Emily Bay". With the admittance and use of our real names we hope the public of Norfolk Island will accept our sincere apology regarding the digging of the 'trench' at Emily Bay. What was, at the time, a mindless act of boredom, has obviously become much more than that. For the record, there were no political motivations behind our dig and we now understand that our actions have consequences.
To anyone we have offended, we offer our apologies, and to anyone and everyone we have inconvenienced, again - we are sorry and take full responsibility for our actions.
While we accept what we did as being stupid, reckless and immature, I find it hard to believe the community has taken the matter so seriously. On the very night(s) we were digging, there would have been no less than thirty young members of the community speeding, drunk, stoned, passed out, crashing, injecting, inhaling, and I wouldn't rule out fighting. Nobody seems concerned about this. Not trying to shift the focus or attention of this post, but the only thing that seems to have been rectified is the disturbance of the peace.
Can somebody please explain to me how digging a hole at the beach, in an admittedly inconvenient location, in any way compares to everything else that happens on a Friday and Saturday night?
Yours respectfully, apologetically and fundamentally confused - Ben Pennycuick and Michael Ryding.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 17 March 2005
Time: 12:00:10 PM
For all the talk we hear of how much we owe Australia does anyone seriously think that the relationship is out of balance in Norfolks favour? Recent entries have outlined the little that Australia contributes to our island and its people (some mistaken of course in saying teachers salaries are paid for). These token gestures pale in comparision to the support they have given and continue to give to other countries in the region (Solomons et al.). Though I seriously wonder what trouble we'd be in if there were any "real" handouts given the attitude of many that we owe Australia based on the very miniscule support we currently recieve.
This argument is always made at it's two extremes, of either Norfolk Independence or total Australian integration. There is plenty of room to grow and develop our island between the two extremes with support from Canberra and without sacrificing what is important to us.
BTW - the issues in the Solomon Islands are no different to ours in that they are badly governed, different to ours in that China and Taiwan are trying to out bid each other for exclusive recognition of each others countries - not a bad situation to be in when you're talking millions in aid!
Name: doc martin
Email: comonsense@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 March 2005
Time: 10:30:37 AM
Re current immigration situation,how about an anmesty for a month,so that employers and permit holders can get there situations in order.instead of turning peoples lives upside down,we have all suffered long delays of getting permits ,look at building situation,may some commonsense and discretion prevail in this new asembly,this island runs the real risk of good people getting fed up and moving on.
Name: senseofthis
Email: myislandhome.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 15 March 2005
Time: 09:26:20 PM
Norlarnen, thank you and I respect your opinion.
I don't think there are many naieve enough to think that Australia doesn't view our Island as strategically important (I once heard the comment 'Australia's easternmost permanent aircraft carrier'), but I do believe we could do a lot worse if we didn't have Australia as our partner. Look at the Solomons and Palau, currently being fought over (metaphorically) by China, Taiwan, Japan and others.
Notwithstanding all the good constructive comments from yourself and others on what 'ails' this Island, good solid fiscal management is going to see us grow and prosper.
There are some hard decisions that need to be made at Kingston and some of those decisions have already been made. The current gang we have down there is probably the best we have had in a long time, considering their professional and serious attitude to the job ahead.
An island of this size, population and GDP, is always going to face a challenge as the economies of our large neighbours forge ahead.
Geoff has my support and I think he needs a fair go to give it his best shot. If not, we all have a chance to step up to the cauldron at the next election!
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 15 March 2005
Time: 10:39:17 AM
senseofthis, I wasn't having a go at Australians, but it is interesting that you and others feel that way. I am simply stating a fact, Norfolk is not Australia, this shouldn't be news to anyone. With only a few exceptions, contributions to the restoration of the Australian Heritage sites and the Australian National Parks and Wildlife on the island we are fiscally independent of Australia.
Re "the Mainland", the words we use define who we are, this term to refer to Australia has grown in its usage in recent years, I am simply saying that it doesn't make sense to me.
Certainly we depend on Australia in many ways as you have mentioned, but does or should that make us Australian? Surely that line of reasoning would make you an American?
Why is it that many who argue Australias case never recognise what Norfolk offers and why we are important to Australia? it isn't a one way street - ever wonder what we are worth to Australia? A hint, consider the millions poured into East Timor
Name: Lyrics are disgusting
Email: holla_Back_girl@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 13 March 2005
Time: 03:10:56 PM
Who think's these kind of lyrics are morally wrong and are degrading the system around the world....tell me what you think, holla back.
Dj: let's take some calls from the request line caller number 1 Caller: a man wazzup this dominque from shade n low trailer park Dj: wazzup dominque Caller: I wanna hear that song from lil john and petey pablo Dj: Aight I got that comming right up for ya now shout outs to the radio station that gave you what you wanted Caller: boom boom beat
CHORUS 1 (2X) How u like it daddy (the way she do it from the front) How u like it daddy (the way she do it from he back) How u liek it daddy (then bring it down like that)
VERSE 1 24,34,46 Good and thick and what u give her she could work with it Pretty face and some cute lips Earing in her tounge and she know what to do with it Made a name for herself and she do her s**t well and know how to keep her buisness to herself Come over anytime nigga call chick 1 o'clock,2 o'clock (ding dong) and she right their And she know why she came here And she know where clothes suppose to be(off and over their) Sniff a lil coke, take a lil x, smoke a lil weed,drink a lil bit I need a girl I could freek with and wanna try s**t and ain't scared of a big d**k And love to get get her p***y licked by another b**ch Cause I ain't drunk enough to do that s**t
CHORUS 2 Freek a leek shameka kiesha tara (freek-a-leek) shawna sabrina crystal derhonda (freek-a-leek) lisa falicia tonesha shavon (freek-a-leek) monica monique christina yolonda
VERSE 2 I need to know a whole lot that could teach me broad Need a ding dong stick a tongue and take her to ball Any reason gon' head do that for her I'm spalding and i don't like to work that hard I like to lay back relax and enjoy my jaw till my eyes roll back & my toes curl I love when do that girl till it come time for me to give her hers Tell me what you want Do want a missionary with your feet crammed to the head board Do want it from the back with your face in the pillow so you could yell as loud as you want girl Do you want it on the floor,do want it in the chair do you want it over here do want it over their Do you want it in your p***y do u want it in your a** I could give you anything you can handle
CHORUS 2 (1X)
CHORUS 2 (2X)
Caller: A I appreciate that homeboy dj: not a problem you know I do it cause I love ya now I got to give a shot out to she's and gin cause I'm drinkin' and they paying for it
CHORUS 2 2X
Name: senseofthis
Email: myislandhome.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 12 March 2005
Time: 09:55:53 PM
Nor larnen and others having a go at the Aussies, here are some more home truths:-
1. 250 years doesn't make us a different race, sure we are unique amongst other caucasians that settled the south lands but alike we are.
2. How else would we educate our kids if we didn't pay mainland teachers to come over?
3. Biting the hand that feeds us seems to be our Island pastime. How short our memories as our loved ones head off on Medivacs, to High School, Tafe college and Uni, or as we willingly take the handouts for our security, environment and the many 'freebies' (Medicare) that we avail ourselves of as we live on the mainland (without requiring a permit).
4. Our quality of life would be pathetic if it wasn't for the education of our kids and the standard of education that the Australian teachers bring to our Island.
5. Stop your bellyaching, get a degree (EVERYONE can have a go) and come home and teach our kids.
Name: senseofthis
Email: myislandhome.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 12 March 2005
Time: 09:55:03 PM
Nor larnen and others having a go at the Aussies, here are some more home truths:-
1. 250 years doesn't make us a different race, sure we are unique amongst other caucasians that settled the south lands but alike we are.
2. How else would we educate our kids if we didn't pay mainland teachers to come over?
3. Biting the hand that feeds us seems to be our Island pastime. How short our memories as our loved ones head off on Medivacs, to High School, Tafe college and Uni, or as we willingly take the handouts for our security, environment and the many 'freebies' (Medicare) that we avail ourselves of as we live on the mainland (without requiring a permit).
4. Our quality of life would be pathetic if it wasn't for the education of our kids and the standard of education that the Australian teachers bring to our Island.
5. Stop your bellyaching, get a degree (EVERYONE can have a go) and come home and teach our kids.
Name: Nor dar true
Email: kahwah
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 11 March 2005
Time: 03:41:58 PM
i might head down dig ar trench gain..........fe sumthin fe du..........kah beat et
Name: esstrue
Email: notfair.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 March 2005
Time: 01:45:35 PM
What a let down to hear the two young "diggers" who dug the trech at Emily Bay were let off with so much as a warning and payment of fees to get it filed back in. It was diplayed in the newspaper that a substancial fine would be placed upon whoever was found guilty, what happened there? Lets hope next time no one gets gets injured as a result of their boredem or "fun" as they may have called it.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 07:27:51 PM
Dear Nor larnen, Sorry, I meant could we distinguish between feelings for the Govt. and Australians as a whole. Yes debate is always needed and open speech without fear of retribution is freedom. The statement made by Island girl was not called for as that gave the impression that all Ucklun have the same view and we all know that each individual does have and has the right to their opinion. As far as the term "Mainland" goes, I don't find that offensive, "Big island " or "Island to the west" It is just a name. Doesn't make me feel any less secure. Norfolk is and always will be somewhere special. Keep up the discussions.
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 03:26:25 PM
Some interesting points made on this subject so far.
In the know, you say this issue should be left at the government level but have acknowledged that "we seem to be very angry". I would suggest quite the opposite is required, clearly this is an issue we need to debate. The Australian Politicians can only make claims based on reality, or percieved reality of facts on the ground - the latter is a lot easier to fabricate if we don't debate the issue.
The changes have been so gradual that we have hardly noticed, for example I see we now refer to Australia as the "Mainland" in our everyday speech - does that make us the Minorland?, subordinate to the "Mainland".
Name: tar with the same brush
Email: tooharsh@forum
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 10:44:50 AM
Thought it was appropriate to place a more even perspective on Aussie inventions - cc forgot to mention inventions such as the bionic ear, the world's first powered flight, the science to give people who could not fall pregant the chance to do so, ultrasound, penicillin, and the flight black box recorder. Mind you, the hills hoist was a great one - bought one myself!
check it all out for yourself at
http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/inventions.htm
Island girl - your words don't help anyone. hat's not what I meant and I do not support your harsh words.
As in the know suggested, why can't this be left at Gov level. Why is there the need to get personal?
Name: Tootie
Email: Iamabitweirdandaloner@iwishihadfreinds.com
Country: Zimbabwe
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 09:43:24 AM
I am at present looking for a freind to call my own, so if anyone is interested email me.
P.S i love alice mac
Name: Alice MAc
Email: loveme@me.com
Country: Afghanistan
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 09:40:51 AM
Hey dudes, love u always
Name: Alice MAc
Email: loveme@me.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 09:40:13 AM
Hey dudes, love u always
Name: you know who
Email: youknowwho@me.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 10 March 2005
Time: 09:35:15 AM
Hi Tyla, How are ya. I think your a bit weird but it's all good. bye
Name: c.c.ryder
Email: cc@memphis.tn
Country: Oceans
Date: Wednesday, 09 March 2005
Time: 08:33:21 PM
'In the Know':
Whichever way you cut it, in the final analysis, Norfolk was made a 'Protectorate' of the Commonwealth Government of Australia on 1 July 1914, PRECISELY for the purpose of "protecting" a vulnerable ethnic minority - autochthonous to Oceania - from the very 'type' of crude throwback-Bigot represented by "girl" ...who I note, has at least the jungle-smarts, to cunningly scurry back under her rock, curl-up & play dead.
Neither Norlarnen or myself have ever denied that we have had some wonderful Australian settlers - many of them marrying into our people - in the years since 1856. No need to name them - we all know who they are.
What we have consistently denied - and will continue to deny - is that such settlers ipso facto, make Norfolk an integral part of the Australian Federation; as some Australian politicians have begun to claim.
I do hope we can now continue to debate this issue in a civil, dispassionate, rational manner.
It's not going to go away.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 09 March 2005
Time: 05:09:00 PM
Sadly, racial slurs are used by people here on our Island. The word "Mainlander" is most often used in a derogatory manner, even by ucklun who have a mainland Mother or Father. In all honesty, would we like it if our heritage was looked on in that way by our children. It is true that we don't see eye to eye with the Australian Govt. However. can we not leave it at the Govt. Level and not the people of the mainland.
There seems to be a lot we don't know about the current immigration situation but the court case will maybe bring it all out in the open. We seem to be very angry and that has most likely been brought on by "progress" . We can't live in the past but lets all step back and take a deep breath and calm down a bit.
Name: c.c. ryder
Email: cc@memphis.tn
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 08 March 2005
Time: 02:54:36 PM
Full credit to Norlarnen for his cool, balanced & rational rejoinder, to the wildly irrational/emotional, bigoted & disgraceful, outburst from "An island girl".
If you're one of ucklun girl (which I doubt), then shame on you.
Item1: "Have a look around yourselves you STUPID IGNORANT "NORFOLK ISLANDERS"
If this is your honest opinion, then what the Hell are you doing - with barefaced slimy hypocrisy - in continuing to reside on the Island?
Item2: "Most of you probably don't even have the guts to admit that 'Norfolk Islanders' are 'bitsa's' anyway."
definition:
"bitsa pronounced bit-sah - dog of no particular breed, mongrel"
source - http://tinyurl.com/5n6x9 (you guessed it an 'ocker' site) ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nazi race science, in addition to redneck yobbo bigotry; you really are a rather nasty piece of work aren't you "girl". ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Lets have a cool clinical look at exactly what Norlarnen actually said:
"Chinese immigrants in many ways offer us much more than those from the island to our West."
I would have thought this a statement of plain fact; rather than any kind of "slur". Lets take three rather mundane cases in point, which substantiate Norlarnens observation:
[|] Would any informed observer seriously argue for example that the sublime repertoire of Chinese cuisine is second to that of "the island to our West"?
[||] Would any informed observer seriously argue that the entrepreneurial skills of the Chinese are second to those of "the island to our West"?
[|||] Would any informed observer seriously argue that the collossal achievements of Chinese Civilization are second to those of "the island to our West"?
Whilst there can be no doubt that the stump-jump plough, the Victa mower & the Hill's-Hoist represent quantum leaps in technological innovation; however, if you harbour lingering reservations on point [|||], "girl", do yourself a favour in remedying your ignorance by perusing - if only cursorily - the following site:
History of Chinese Invention and Discovery http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/
If - as seems likely - "girl", your provenance is "the island to our West", then perhaps you may care to ponder on the causes of your manifestly (extremely) fragile & defensive ego.
And Norlarnen you are absolutely correct; as in former times, Norfolk would do well to recruit the best settlers available from THROUGHOUT THE WORLD; not just one or two narrow sources.
(posted by an Anglo/Tahitian "bitsa")
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 March 2005
Time: 09:45:29 AM
Legend, I couldnt agree more, as I said the person making that rash statement about the Australian Gov. paying teachers wages seems to have disapppeared from our board. I would ask why wait till you pass them on the street, call them! One of the problems that we have on Norfolk is that simply because we do have many resident Australian's that we have mistakenly come to be considered synonmous with being Australian. There's no need to get upset when the truth is being stated. Its not a slight on the wonderful Australians among us, as I am sure Collen and many of our other Australian guests would concur.
Name: Norfolk Legend
Email: legenD@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 March 2005
Time: 08:10:12 AM
I haven't dissappeared the Ocker is still here and I was correct in my statement. NORFOLK ISLAND PAYS 100% OF THE SCHOOL WAGES. YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDNT CHECK IT OUT DID YOU? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT EDUCATION COSTS WELL OVER $2.3 MILLION PER YEAR. MOST OF IT GOES IN WAGES TO THE TEACHERS, $1.7 MILLION TO BE EXACT IS GOBBLED UP BY THE WAGES. YES I HAVE DONE MY HOMEWORK YOU ALSO CAN CHECK THESE AMOUNTS BY GETTING A COPY OF THE ISLANDS BUDGETS
LETS SEE IF THE GOVERNMENT DISCUSS'S THIS ISSUE AT THE NEXT SESSION. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WASTE TO MUCH MONEY ON PAYING THE TAX COMPONENT OF THE TEACHERS WAGES THEN WHEN YOU PASS A MINISTER ON THE FOOTPATH GET IN HIS EAR, THATS WHAT WE VOTED THEM THERE FOR.
OR BETTER STILL MAYBE ONE OF OUR ASSEMBLY MEMBERS MAY HAVE THE BALLS TO RE-LIVE THE ISSUE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE COMMUNITIES INTERESTS AT HEART AND RECOGNISE THAT WE CANNOT WASTE $100,000 PLUS EXPENSE ON A HEADMASTERS WAGE WHEN OUR FINANCES ARE IN SUCH A MESS.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 07 March 2005
Time: 08:37:46 PM
Island Girl - could you please substantiate your claims of the island "relying heavily on Australian Tax payers". Last week there was an ocker in here screaming about how the Australian Govenment pays teachers wages for the island but they seem to have disappeared once it was explained to them they too seemed to have the wrong end of the stick.
Tarred with the same brush, why would you choose to be offended by what I said? "Chinese immigrants in many ways offer us much more than those from the island to our West" - is not a racial slur but a fact. We have an immigration policy which makes it easier for an Australian to enter the island when there are likely many other people of other nationalities who could offer more to Norfolk. FOr me, I would like to see the Minister for Immigration be more discerning regardless of where the immigrants are coming from.
Name: Felix
Email: www.aquarian_yuppy@yahoo.com
Country: Iran
Date: Monday, 07 March 2005
Time: 08:18:57 PM
I love Norfolk island ,it is a fantastic place but not every one knows much about it so i suppose you Norfolk islanders need to promote your island and show it off so every one knows that there is a heaven like your island in the world,and make it world famous,and ,oh, dont leave your stunning island for Oz or Nz. love Norfolk island, Felix
Name: An island girl
Email: island.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 March 2005
Time: 03:48:07 PM
Thank you "tar with the same brush"!!!!
You are sooo right! Have a look around yourselves you STUPID IGNORANT "NORFOLK ISLANDERS" and see exactly how the Australians are contributing to our Island. Take them all away and what have we got then?? You seem more than content to rely heavilly on Australian taxpayers monies!!
Most of you probably don't even have the guts to admit that 'Norfolk Islanders' are 'bitsa's' anyway. Just like everyone else in the world. People made up of many different origins.
Nobody can control which country they are born in. So wake up and have some maturity. The discriminating Islanders are an embarassment to our island!
Name: tar with the same brush
Email: thanksfornothing@norfolk
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Monday, 07 March 2005
Time: 03:05:09 PM
And the award for the biggest generalisation on the NIDS forum in 2005 goes to - norlarnen. I agree with you whole heartedly that Chinese have a great deal to offer all around the world. But why make such a generalised, racial type slur at Australians? Around one third of the island is represented by them of whom some have been here for decades. Many children have Australian parents. I'm sure that many Australains have and will continue to provide some fantastic contributions to Norfolk and with any people, some will do little.
Blame the federal government all you want for the politics, but why do you feel the need to offend all who dare to come here from 'the west'- or to quote John Kranan - 'fair crack of the whip!"
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 06 March 2005
Time: 07:52:55 PM
Three cheers for C.C. Ryder. These concerns over Chinese immigration have been around for a few years (rascist comments over the issue have also been made in here from time to time). I for one whole heartly agree with your comments. Chinese immigrants in many ways offer us much more than those from the island to our West.
Name: Bothsides
Email: ofbookings
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 05 March 2005
Time: 10:35:24 AM
Idiot - If you have a look on the Norfolk Island Websites for packages you will find I am correct in package rates. Packages will vary throughout the year depending on peak or off peak seasons. I am merely stating that the tourists are capable of purchasing a great deal to come to what is known as a tax free haven.
Name: IDIOT
Email: HOME.COM
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 March 2005
Time: 04:38:57 PM
BOTHSIDES-I paid $1154
Name: c.c. ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Oceans
Date: Friday, 04 March 2005
Time: 03:23:50 PM
The article quoted below is clearly making crudely-veiled accusations of race prejudice on the part of Norfolk Islanders.
As one who has lived & worked in China (Guangzhou) I have no doubt that the pendulum of History is restoring the "Middle-Kingdom" to it's (perhaps rightful) former status as the most powerful & advanced nation on Earth.
There is much we can all learn from the Chinese; their deep respect for scholarship; their enterprise & thrift; their incredible cuisine; their extraordinary ability to master Western forms of High-Culture; & perhaps above all else, their capacity to maintain core cultural identity, regardless of where they may settle throughout the world.
I for one wish Mrs Jiang & her five children, every success in establishing themselves on Norfolk.
Gong xi fa cai, Mrs Jiang!!
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Island minds its own business By Michael Pelly February 17, 2005
Norfolk Island does not take too kindly to outsiders - especially when they want to buy the local cafe and don't speak very good English.
Jiang Yeu Jiao and her five children have been waiting for general entry permits since they agreed to purchase the Cafe Espresso in October.
Their one-month visitors' permits have expired and their patience ran out last week. They lodged a writ of mandamus in the island's Supreme Court, seeking entry permits or reasons why they have not been granted.
More specifically, Mrs Jiang wants to know why the new government is not honouring a letter of approval from the previous Tourism and Community Services minister, David Buffett.
The delay centres on the family members' English skills. A condition attached to their permit - similar to the business skills entry visa - was that they had to "undertake study of the English language".
While the Jiangs passed the written test, there was concern over their oral English and comprehension. This has led to intensive tutoring by Estelle Mathieson, the wife of the current cafe owner, Milton.
In his application to the court, the Jiangs' solicitor, Michael Zande, says they should be issued general entry permits because they have fulfilled the conditions.
The current minister, John Brown, assumed his post after the October elections but was off the island when the Herald called. Mr Zande and Mrs Jiang declined to comment.
However, Mr Brown has given an undertaking not to remove the family from the island, which the administration can do under Section 40 (2) of the Norfolk Island Immigration Act.
The matter has been listed for a Federal Court hearing next Thursday in Sydney and will proceed unless Mr Brown relents and issues the family with permits.
Like the ACT and Northern Territory, the island is an Australian territory that retains control over some government functions, such as customs, taxation and immigration.
The arrival of three families of Chinese origin for business interviews last year raised eyebrows among the predominantly Anglo-Celtic population. In the past 15 years there had been only one Chinese family on the island. It still runs the Chinese restaurant and has sent its children to the local school. Only one family - Mrs Jiang, her three adult daughters and two children aged 14 and 13 - has since decided the island was the future.
The secretary to government for the island, Peter Maywald, said there remained elements of a small country town when it came to outsiders. "I'm sure the next people that apply from Botswana, Canada or outer Mongolia will be handled much more quickly," he said.
"These were the first offshore business applicants for Norfolk Island under the new arrangements with Australia [from mid-2001]. The island now controls the processing of applications, which was previously done by Canberra."
The editor of The Norfolk Islander, Tom Lloyd, said the visit by the three families "caused quite a bit of a stir".
"There was a great deal of angst when we heard [talk that] there were 10 to 11 people buying these shops. It was the sheer volume of them."
Name: Bothsides
Email: ofbookings
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 March 2005
Time: 12:52:48 PM
Guys,
I think we ALL need to understand that their are some fantastic fares/packages for the visitors to Norfolk to access. The only people that are being stung with HUGE airfare prices are US.... Not the visitors. The tourists can come here for around $1000 inclusive of their airfares, accommodation, breakfast, half day tour, airport transfers,scenic BBQ, one free nights accommodation and car hire for a whole week!! This is only 1 package available, there are cheaper available! How can we say that is a bad deal. We simply try to make a booking ourselves and assume that because WE have to pay $800 - $900 per person for an airfare only that our visitors do as well - NOT TRUE.
I am NOT standing up for Norfolk Jet simply stating a fact that most of us tend to not be aware of.
Name: me
Email: here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 March 2005
Time: 12:22:32 PM
Mybe a fresh approach to our system of Goverment/Admin is needed.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 March 2005
Time: 11:57:20 AM
The submission from Idiot re tourism is spot on. A fresh approach and attitude is needed. It is going to be a tough year I feel....
Name: itet
Email: it.@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 March 2005
Time: 08:35:11 AM
I agree that you can freely express your views on this forum. But it is a cowards paradise. Many, not all of the comments made on this forum are hurtful, malicious and plain unfair. People can say what they want about a persons character, safe in the knowledge that their own character or opinions arent going to be scrutinised in retaliation. Some people do put their name to entries (to their credit), but the majority don't . It is a haven for the cowardly and insecure. I dont want to hear the rubbish that people dont put the name for fear of retribution-crap- you will find that alot of the attacks are small minded, ignorant and the wrong end of the stick.
Ps i havent signed my name, but then i arent having a go at anyone personally.
Name: StayPositive
Email: home@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 March 2005
Time: 10:43:02 PM
Interestingly, this Forum is starting to emerge as the ONLY place that we can air our opinions, whether identified or not, the outcome being far more positive than negative. Those with an axe to grind will come and go and in reality have nothing to say of substance, so don't worry, tourists who MIGHT stumble upon this site (most over 40's struggle to use the net at all) will not be swayed by the comments on it. KEEP THE COMMENTS FLOWING, I think it is invaluable (and NO I don't have any vested interests in computing or the provision of internet on NI).
Name: c.c. ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 03 March 2005
Time: 03:15:09 PM
Good to see that the old school motto is still "Play The Game" (coined many decades ago by one of the Carroll lads if memory serves)- there's no denying that Norfolk has had many very capable & dedicated teachers from Australia over the last half-century or so (the Thierings being the benchmark par excellence) - however A$100,000 plus perks does seem very generous for what is undoubtedly a 'cushy' posting.
Presumably this amount reflects the 'CEO' managerial dimension of the job, in addition to the 'Director of Studies' dimension.
Could the two roles not be separated, with a local resident fulfilling the CEO/managerial function in the interests of continuity & accountability to the NI Gov't?
I would also have thought that if there's a lazy A$100,000 or so, in the kitty for Headmasters, there'd be a A$50-00 or so available for a decent website:
"Sign Out of Order"
Name: idiot
Email: @home.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 March 2005
Time: 12:52:39 PM
It's not just airfares, its the whole package. accomadation is way over priced for the standard. Its all well and good for the Tourist Bureau to spent thousands on promoting tourism for Norfolk, but we need to follow that through until the same Tourists get back on the plane to go home. Instead of once they are here thinking of them as just "bloody tourists".
As for teachers wages, leave them alone otherwise we wll have no teachers at all wanting to come to Norfolk. Investing in our children is the best place to spend. Maybe we have a future local Headmaster in the making?
Name: One of Many Hard Wrokers and Wage Contributor
Email: norfolk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 March 2005
Time: 11:10:15 AM
Rather ironic [really] this headmaster package. I doubt NASA would pay that much for a rocket scientist and lets' face it - a HEADMASTER would not have the 24/7 on call worry like DOCTORS or DENTISTS have plus they get more holidays than you can poke a stick at AND they have several support staff so how can this package be justified?????????? no bloody wonder we gwen BUST. We have Executive Directors that our PUBLIC PURSE can do without, all the NEWLY created positions, YET those down the town STILL WEAR BLINKERS and cannot see the forest for the trees and see we are walking right into the arms of AUSTRALIA whether we like it or not. The roads are a damn disgrace and it brings back memories of dodgem cars....we all play dodgem potholes.....aahhhh but a walking track down JE Road is SO important to Norfolk. Getting that done is more important than making the roads safe and nice to drive on. Amazing - WE [those at OMB] are willing and able to find money WHEN required for MINUTE things - but the all important things can wait. See the way Norfolk is heading. No wonder tourists are going elsewhere. We have an airline charging like a wounded BULL to travel YET they owe buggery to the community. How odd - a resident owes a minute amount on their phone or power - then when not paid, get the service cut off YET NJE cna owe thousands upon thousands and the blind eye is turned. Until there is more fairness on this ROCK there will be nothing but ANGER and DISGRUNTLED comments on here. Yes I agree - some comments on this forum do nothing for our tourist industry but one would find the truth is in the AIRFARES - so all yorlye enn ucklun ouet dare - start learning to be a headmaster, rocket scientist, CEO, enn all of dem as we ALL ARE IN THE WRONG JOBS.
Name: Norfolk Student
Email: needmoney@norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 March 2005
Time: 10:51:53 PM
I must agree with Norfolk Legend on that one as i have discussed this with 'average' teachers at the school who agree that their wages are far excessive of what they beleive they deserve, there are alot more other and more wiser things that that kind of money can be used for on Norfolk - $100,000.00 is outrageous for a Norfolk Island wage. Maybe they do work 'longer' than average workers, but they get more $ and more holidays. Worker for the department or w/e your name is, Your bias oppinion of a teacher on the mainland is useless to the teachers of Norfolk as the teachers here do not work half as hard as some of the Teachers over there, Sorry.
Name: Norfolk Legend
Email: wastemoney@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 02 March 2005
Time: 09:36:40 AM
Dear Department of Education employee, you should check on who pays you. Norfolk Island community pays 100% of the teachers salaries. It is billed back to Norfolk Island each year. If you dont believe me ask John Brown or Nadia Cuthbertson they are fully aware of te cost of teachers wages on Norfolk.
Us Norfolk taxpayers don't believe that we should be paying you the Australian Tax component of your salary. After all do you believe that you are really that superior to other professional people working on the Island that you should receive this added bonus.
And Yes, I am jealous, I to am a professional person who has received my position by having to go to university.
I say if it is good enough for you to receive the Australian tax component in your wage then why not for the rest of us who live on the Island.
This is not an attack on the chalkies service to the community it is the abnormality of paying the tax component to you that needs to be addressed by Norfolk Island Government. Norfolk Island cannot afford this luxury to you. To pay the Headmaster in excess of $100,000 per year is crazy on Norfolk.
After all, is it not discrimination in the community to pay some ppermanent residents on the Island the Australian wage plus tax and not others.
Lets hear some comments from other persons who dont have a pecuniary interest in this and genuinely have Norfolk's Financial sustainability at heart.
I REPEAT - NORFOLK ISLAND PAYS 100% OF THE SCHOOL WAGES
Name: a Department of Education and Training employee
Email: Delta@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 01 March 2005
Time: 07:23:32 PM
Dear "Norfolk Legend"
If you are going to have a dig about something...atleast have some idea of what you are talking about first!!!
The NSW DET pays the NI teachers' salaries!!
AND...if you do not think that the staff deserve the salaries they are offered, then YOU get in and do their job. These people are required to deal with a lot of difficult tasks with many different aspects.
How many hours a week do YOU work??? how many hours a week do school staff work????? AND what sort of environment do you want your youth to be educated in? One where the staff are positive or negative???
Sure...go ahead and contact the unions!!! They will just blow you off as a self-declared "legend"....look it up in the dictionary.
P.S. Jealousy is a curse !!!
Name: Norfolk Legend
Email: wastemoney@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 28 February 2005
Time: 03:14:30 PM
CAN YOU BELIEVE THE WAGE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS PREPARED TO PAY FOR A HEADMASTER FOR THE NORFOLK ISLAND CENTRAL SCHOOL.---------- IN EXCESS OF $100,000 + EXTRAS. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME CHECK OUT LAST SATURDAYS NORFOLK ISLANDER.
THIS A TOTALLY RIDICULOUS WAGE TO PAY ON NORFOLK ISLAND, ESPECIALLY FROM A GOVERNMENT THAT IS CRYING POOR.
WHAT ABOUT RE-LIVING THE ISSUE OF LOCALISING TEACHERS WAGES. I TOOK MY HAT OFF TO JOHN BROWN AND NADIA FOR TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THIS BUT WHAT ABOUT SEE IT THROUGH THIS TIME AND STOP WASTING NORFOLK ISLANDS FUNDS ON PAYING THE TEACHERS THIS RIDICULOUS WAGE.
IT IS TIME THAT WE STOOD UP AGAINST THE NSW TEACHERS UNION, SO, NI GOVERNMENT DO WHAT WE VOTED YOU IN THERE FOR AND STOP WASTING OUR HARD EARNED REVENUE ON PAYING THE TAX COMPONENT TO THE SCHOOLIES.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY ELSE THAT THINKS THIS IS A JUSTIFIED WAGE TO PAY ON NORFOLK ISLAND.
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP THAT WE WOULDNT ATTRACT DECENT WAGES IF THE WAGE WAS LOCALISED. I SAY PUT IT TO THE TEST AND SEE HOW MANY APPLY FOR POSITIONS.
Name: Joe A Friend
Email: jafriend@nrg.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 February 2005
Time: 12:39:38 PM
Telephone Directory: this , in my opinion, needs updating to include the 'traditional-indigenous' names of persons,, currently listed in the 'hardcopy-white pages' on-the-island, AND to include/updated EMAIL Addresses of all those persons or businesses that currently have an email contact service. Cheers, sincerely, Joe A Friend Senior Scientific Director Camphor laurel Research Centre, Lismore, NSW. 2480 E: jafriend@nrg.com.au
Name: Joe A Friend
Email: jafriend@nrg.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 February 2005
Time: 12:36:40 PM
Telephone Directory: this , in my opinion, needs updating to include the 'traditional-indigenous' names of persons,, currently listed in the 'hardcopy-white pages' on-the-island, AND to include/updated EMAIL Addresses of all those persons or businesses that currently have an email contact service. Cheers, sincerely, Joe A Friend Senior Scientific Director Camphor laurel Research Centre, Lismore, NSW. 2480 E: jafriend@nrg.com.au
Name: born and bred
Email: Islander
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 February 2005
Time: 11:25:25 AM
I totally agree In The Know. The tourist industry on Norfolk isn't a problem because of what is written in this forum, air fares are a huge problem you can go from Sydney to Queensland which is the same amount of flight time for only a measly $100. I have flown to QLD myself knowing that there are murderers and paedophiles living there but it did not deter me from having a holiday where I wanted.
Just to clear up a few things regarding an islanders comments even though he or she may never react to this response. In actual fact I have read the court report and Steve Nobbs was found guilty of 6 accounts of molestation towards 2 different people. I have also read the attrocious things he did to those girls. He was given a jail sentence that consisted of weekend detention of which he was able to get out of doing the full weekend. From Friday sunset to Saturday sunset he was given leave because he is a Seventh Day Adventist. I was able to read this via the internet by looking into the court rulings of Norfolk Island, so it is all factual information. The reason you havn't heard about the case in Australia is because it happens on the 21st of March which as you may be aware the date is still coming. There is no rumours in what I say nor is it hear-say or dem tull. I do happen to be disgruntled and angry as I feel that paedophiles should get more than just a weekend detention for sexually molesting little girls.I am pretty sure that you won't get to see Steve Nobbs in action molesting these girls as you say "unless you see it with your own eyes". To me this must mean that what you can't see obviously didn't happen. Brushing it under the carpet does not make it go away that is why so many cases come out years later. The sooner people realise this the better. Wether it is written in here or I say it to somebody in the street or to a tourist it makes no difference to me PAEDOPHILES should never get away with what they do. The last time I checked Steve Nobbs didn't actually have a character to defame either. Please don't make it easier for people like Steve Nobbs to act out these attrocious acts stand up and say something and not say things like " I will not enter into any further correpondence in this matter." You may as well just hand over our sons and daughters to these perpetrators and say here have a go what I don't know won't hurt me.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 27 February 2005
Time: 08:42:19 PM
With all due respect, our tourist industry is "going down the gurgler" partly because of the dreadful airspace price and secondly because our shopping is no longer a special treat for our visitors. Check out the prices for holidays in Asia and what you get for your dollar. Mainland Norfolk airfares have always been high and there when was the last time there was a decent special. Norfolk is and always be beautiful but WE all need to revamp.
Name: An Islander
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 February 2005
Time: 02:36:07 PM
Born & Bred & fff - I am one of the very few here who DO NOT LISTEN to rumour or untruths. Unless I see something with my eyes I do not assume. Nothing of what you are writing about has ever been printed in the court report NOR was I in the court house at the time - so I am not going to comment except to say no wonder our tourist industry is going down the gurglar. If I was a visitor and planning a trip to Norfolk Island and find this forum and read some of the crap - I would definitley cancel any thoughts of visting this island as it is obvious there are very disgruntled and angry people on this island. This forum is a disgrace to the community and very bad publicity. I will not enter into any further correpondence in this matter.
Name: born and bred
Email: Islander
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 27 February 2005
Time: 09:02:09 AM
Why do you assume that rumours are being started, maybe just maybe before you start writing things you should find out facts for yourself and think long and hard about the facts that would be staring back at your face.
Name: One who knows
Email: protectourchildren.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 26 February 2005
Time: 08:32:16 PM
Child molesters (or in jail parlance Rock Spiders) who plead guilty should be subject to automatic chemical castration. Sounds extreme, but 99% are males and according to well documented facts, they WILL re-offend given the chance, no matter how long incarcerated. Sadly, the record of convictions for these sicko's on NI is poor. No names, no pack drill but YOU know who you are and you better hope none of your victims fingers you!
Name: fff
Email: fff
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 26 February 2005
Time: 02:34:39 PM
"An Islander" - please tell me which part of my submission was incorrect. Steve pleaded 'not guilty to his case on Norfolk Island, and was found guilty... this is fact, please enlighten us on which part is part of a so called rumour. I look forward to your back up response!!
Name: An Islander
Email: ni.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 26 February 2005
Time: 08:12:18 AM
To born and bred and fff - BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU PUT ON HERE. THERE ARE VERY HEAVY FINES FOR DEFAMATION AND LIABLE AND ONE'S IDENTITY IS VERY TRACEABLE ON HERE. IF YOU ARE STARTING RUMOURS - THINK AGAIN.
Name: Local Legend
Email: legend@ni.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 26 February 2005
Time: 01:26:10 AM
I think that the Norfolk Island Government is to blame for the way things are. As long as we keep voting uneducated persons into Government, and yes I also mean you Finance Minister, we will move closer to Australia taking us over. It is time to "take the walk" once again and move over for some young person with a bit of entreprenerial skills to lead us into a competitive future. Our Government is just not with modern times and the ability to compete with other destinations.
Wake up before it is to late.
Name: fff
Email: fff
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 February 2005
Time: 02:47:34 PM
Re: nfp, don't think pleading guilty when not guilty would be done just for a reduced sentence. If that was the case why didn't Steve plea guilty to his case on Norfolk?? He pleaded not guilty and was found guilty!! doesn't add up hey?/
Name: nfp
Email: nfp.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 February 2005
Time: 12:33:12 PM
Re pleading guilty.....could that be because when people plead guilty they get a lesser sentence than if they are'found'guilty. Hope he ends up behind bars despite this.
Name: born and bred
Email: Islander
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 February 2005
Time: 09:57:44 AM
Just a bit of information does everyone know that Stephen Nobbs is going to plead GUILTY to a case of molestation in Australia thought it might interest a few.
Name: Darcy
Email: n
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 23 February 2005
Time: 10:59:13 PM
Re: Times are changing: All states that I have worked within the criminal justice system (Qld, NSW, ACT, WA) have a time-to-pay system. No interest is charged and as long as the person makes "reasonable" efforts to make payments, an extension is always granted.
Re punishments on Norfolk Island, They are MUCH more severe than those given out in Australia. In Australia you would have to go to court for over 20 break and enters before you would be sent to gaol. I know of one person who now has 170 burglary convictions and the most he has ever spend inside is 14days (only on remand). On Norfolk, you will do time for the second offence. Stealing and Theft, unless its a corporate crime, hardly anyone goes to prison for it in Australia.
Any of the Norfolk sentences, if given out in Australia and appealed to the Supreme Court of their respective state would be overturned as "manifestly excessive".
I am making no comment on whether criminals on Norfolk need to be treated harsher, that is for the community to decide, but I just wanted you to know what happens in other areas.
Name: The true alternative.
Email: iwishyoudidnthavetoputyouremailaddress@whydowehaveto.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 February 2005
Time: 08:47:11 PM
Local politics should be settled with arm-wrestles.
...problem solved.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 February 2005
Time: 07:24:05 PM
Just something to think about re crime and the appropriate punishment. WHO hands out the ridiculous sentances or lack of..Might be time to make them accountable for their lack of responsibility to the community. Seek advice from the appropriate authority re what can be done if one feels justice is not done on a regular basis. People hold positions in all walks of life and they are accountable for their actions, but one has to make the effort to have justice done and even if you fail at least you have made your voice or voices heard..
Of course would it be true that if anyone is sent offshore it costs the N.I. Govt heaps. Ask the question of your favourite Assembly member.
If something really gets up your nose then ask the question and expect an answer of that authority. We all have to work together to keep Norfolk awus the way we all want it to be. Zero tolerance to crime and lack of punishment no favouritism and most of all, no paltry excuses.
Name: TIMES ARE A CHANGING
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 23 February 2005
Time: 01:45:33 PM
I have never known anywhere else that when you cop a fine you can LAYBY the payment terms over several months and with no INTEREST charged. Some of the offenders have numerous fines to pay of over several years and are supposed to be on good behaviour bonds. The person(s) who do the CRIME,should do TIME or PAY the FINE,or maybe a stint in Longbay,Goulburn,Parramatta Jail would see what real men are made of.The only crime they would committ on the inside is keeping their back to the wall and their hands to themselves. Maybe a Sherrif could visit the criminals house or board of residence and confiscate valuables like: CDplayer & CD's, TV, Video Games,or other goods (that is if they have not been stolen previously) and the goods could be auctioned of to pay for the FINES, or like the old days, cut of a finger or two. Then one could identify who the culprits are!!
Name: Crime
Email: onNorfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 23 February 2005
Time: 10:30:06 AM
Not charging the criminals here on the Island simply gives the impression that yet again the more crimes we commit the less punishment we receive. No wonder Norfolk is heading in the wrong direction and we have so much trouble these days. If the majority of us want less crime and corruption here on our beautiful Island then why don't we learn that the only way we can acheive this is by punishing those who break the law! Come on Norfolk - just how serious are we about wanting to better "OUR ISLAND"???
Name: darcy
Email: m
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 09:46:32 PM
Re "Crime on Norfolk": Quite simply, if the victim or owner of the property stolen withdraws their complaint, or doesn't want the person charged then the police can't charge them. You will never get a conviction for theft if the complainant refuses to go to court.
Name: Crime
Email: onNorfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 03:18:26 PM
Isn't it odd that a couple of people can commit theft and be caught on surveillance tapes that were apparently given to the police for viewing but not get charged?? Isn't theft a criminal act and automatically a police issue?? Why are the people in question allowed to simply pay back the owners with not even a sorry and it all be forgotten about?? I know for a fact that this is not the first time for one offender..... I also believe that if the same crime was committed by some of our "less respectable family citizens" they undoubtedly would have been charged! Is this what we want for a possible future role model for our children?? I think not! Can some one enlighten me as to why they have not been charged??
Name: Rah Rah Rah
Email: rahrah.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 03:11:46 PM
Radio Head & Reubz El Doo are the same person. Mmmmm...I guess that is why way to get fans [Laugh Out Loud]
Name: Ruebz El Doo
Email: VL2NIlistener@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 01:28:01 PM
No one has any right to be making rude, uncalled for comments about Ruebz like I see below. If you dont like his show, dont listen and keep your comments to yourself. Sure it would be good to hear some locals having a go on the radio but you, probably, like me dont have the guts to do the hard job Ruebz does. If you think you could do better, then go on - give it a go! Dont listen to what everyone says Ruebz, i think you do a great job on the radio, and if you didnt do it, who would?...
Name: Radio Head
Email: listener@radio@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 11:34:33 AM
Reuben - keep on doing your stuff mate - I also enjoy your program.
Avid Listener - stop whinging - turn off and shut up - or better yet - get in and do better
Name: Eleanor Shaw (again)
Email: -@-.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 12:39:52 AM
P.S. Bonnie, if you read this, all my love to you and your family. Gordon was truly a gentleman. xxx
Name: Eleanor Shaw
Email: spamalot@likeiwould.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005
Time: 12:34:45 AM
Onya Gaz, for getting Norfolk in the weather on Brekky Show on JJJ. Shame they wont keep doing it, was good while it lasted!! Big shout- out to all!!
Name: Avid Listener
Email: here.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 21 February 2005
Time: 09:27:41 AM
Reubz - crawl back under your rock and stay there. IF you can't handle the facts then that is STIFF for you. You say people enjoy you??? I haven't heard ONE person YET say they enjoye you - ........oh UNLESS switching off the wireless has a different meaning! You are woeful and should tape yourself sometime to hear how irritating your voice is.
Name: I Love VL2NI
Email: norfolk@vl2ni.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 20 February 2005
Time: 02:52:33 PM
Reubz, Darls or anyone
Could you please explain to the people of Norfolk why we have to listen to West Australian Advertisements on the radio, when there is no one there.
We all know you have a wonderful new desk at the station with a computer in it. It would be no trouble for the last one to leave to queue up enough mp3 songs to play till the morning.
I know there is a very good reason why we have to listen to shitty adds all night in stead of good music all I ask is that someone tell us what that reason is.
Name: Reubz
Email: reubz@norfolk.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 20 February 2005
Time: 01:42:12 PM
Dear Antagonists,
I appreciate that my show is not to everybody's taste, but as they say variety is the spice of life. Admittedly after your first round of negative posts,I had some doubts. But those posts and your more recent personal attacks have initiated so much positive feedback to me, That I feel I should continue for a good while yet.
So to 'Avid Listener' & company I say thank you!.
To those that do enjoy my show, I will continue to do my best for you all.
Kindest Regards
Reubz
Name: Ucklun
Email: ucklun.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 20 February 2005
Time: 11:28:18 AM
Ess a real pleasure listenen to uwwus Darls on dar radio. Dar much ucklun look forward to her Sunday show as she plays decent music and speaks uwwus language and properly. Dem same two that get plenty mention orn ya ess bloody awful enn all seem to be happnen ess we yurren more of dem. Wuthen dar manager doen gwen ucklun. Thank goodness we gutt Sunday fer look forward to. In uwwus house - dar ess d' oonie time we switch orn. Thanks Darls! You ess d' bass by far. PS: Eff you read dae you gwen knoew whose me coss I allwess ring you tull thank you fer ucklun.
Name: eyesoar
Email: whataview@taylors.net.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 19 February 2005
Time: 04:32:02 PM
who is responsable for saying "YES" to that building corner Taylors Rd & Queen Elizabeth Ave?
Name: ET-phone-home
Email: PO@Nfk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 17 February 2005
Time: 12:41:31 AM
Voice over IP (the internet) is big and getting HUGE. We have been putting up with criminally excessive phone charges on the Island for far too long and we badly need some reform in this area. It not only costs those on the Island a lot of money, but also those who want to call the Island from O/seas. The rate for these charges is agreed upon by Norfolk Telecom and the correspondent phone companies offshore (Telstra, Optus, NZTelecom, etc, etc). By keeping the rate high, it simply raises more revenue (which we badly need) but it also stifles business and growth and the social calling that we need to keep in touch with family and friends no longer on the Island. Don't think that VOIP will take over from the usual telephone, because at the end of the day, Telecom control all communications to and from the Island. A simple reform to get more balance in the phone charges, could be to begin charging for local calls at say, 10cents per call. This is half what the mainlanders pay for a local call, but remember that they only pay 10cents a minute to call the USA!!! Anyone out there got a comment on Telecom reform on Norfolk??
Name: ET-phone-home
Email: PO@Nfk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 17 February 2005
Time: 12:41:12 AM
Voice over IP (the internet) is big and getting HUGE. We have been putting up with criminally excessive phone charges on the Island for far too long and we badly need some reform in this area. It not only costs those on the Island a lot of money, but also those who want to call the Island from O/seas. The rate for these charges is agreed upon by Norfolk Telecom and the correspondent phone companies offshore (Telstra, Optus, NZTelecom, etc, etc). By keeping the rate high, it simply raises more revenue (which we badly need) but it also stifles business and growth and the social calling that we need to keep in touch with family and friends no longer on the Island. Don't think that VOIP will take over from the usual telephone, because at the end of the day, Telecom control all communications to and from the Island. A simple reform to get more balance in the phone charges, could be to begin charging for local calls at say, 10cents per call. This is half what the mainlanders pay for a local call, but remember that they only pay 10cents a minute to call the USA!!! Anyone out there got a comment on Telecom reform on Norfolk??
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 February 2005
Time: 08:32:59 PM
maybe its someone who assumes that the powers that be on norfolk WANT the island to be at the same technological level as the rest of the world...
Name: So??
Email: So@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 February 2005
Time: 12:03:27 PM
So??? What have you put this information on the forum for? What is your message?
Name: Hello new phone options
Email: the_real_world
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 February 2005
Time: 09:51:21 PM
Hey yourley,
might like fe read dea
Voice over IP: Its Time Has Come
We've been intrigued by the idea of Voice over IP (VoIP) for years. We tried various Internet phone solutions such as Net2Phone and Skype. Being able to talk long distance at no extra charge was way cool - especially on international calls. But there were problems: you still knew you were using a computer. Calls dropped occasionally. It didn't feel like talking on the phone.
Recently, VoIP has gotten more transparent. Services such as Lingo, Vonage and Packet8 have gotten inexpensive and easy to set up. You use regular analog telephones to talk, and you get a real phone number on which people can call you. When we moved to the new house, we only had one phone line installed, in anticipation of trying out VoIP. After I found out from the phone company that an extra phone line, advertised as $12/month, would end up costing $27/month with all the taxes and fees (and without any extra services like call waiting, caller ID and voicemail), I was more ready than ever to try VoIP instead.
Last week, I finally got around to placing the order. After much research, comparison of features and talking to other people who have the services, we decided to go with Lingo. It's less expensive than Vonage ($19.99/month vs. $24.99) but more importantly, the unlimited service includes calls to western Europe as well as the U.S. and Canada (Vonage and Packet8 include only the U.S. and Canada). Since we work with people in the U.K. and other western European countries, that difference alone could save us a bundle. And that $19.99 includes call waiting, caller ID, voicemail, all the features that were NOT included in the $27/month price from the phone company.
The equipment arrived two days ago and it took about twenty minutes to get it set up. The reason it took so long is that the instructions assume you're using broadband (cable or DSL). Although we have cable Internet service as a backup, we wanted to use the VoIP service over our T-1 line for better reliability. So we had to go to the Lingo Web site to find out how to assign a static IP address to the VoIP device. That required plugging a laptop computer into the Lingo box and making configuration changes through the Web browser. After that, setup was a snap. We plugged attached an Ethernet cable from the Lingo box's WAN port to our T-1 router, plugged a phone into the Lingo box's phone jack, waited a few minutes, and we had dial tone!
Then we unplugged the phone we were using to test it and plugged the base station of our cordless phone into the Lingo box. Now we have access to the Lingo line from anywhere in the house, with six remote handsets. The cordless base (AT&T 2462) accepts up to eight remote handsets, and it's a two line phone, so we plugged the landline into its other port and we can use either the VoIP line or the landline from any of the handsets. Sweet.
The best part is the voice quality. I called several people and no one could tell that I wasn't talking on a "real" phone. We've had no call drops, nothing to differentiate the experience from talking on the landline. One thing that does differentiate it is the extra featureset. For example, now we can get our voicemail messages sent to us via e-mail. For us, that's a big deal because we're bad about forgetting to check the phone for messages. We check e-mail many times per day as a matter of routine, so we expect a lot fewer missed messages now. You can also configure the VoIP line to "roll over" to another number if it's busy or you don't answer. And you can send it to different lines for each situation; that is, I can have the call ring to my landline if the Lingo line is busy, or to my cell phone if no one answers the Lingo line. Very cool.
If you go on the road, you can take your Lingo box with you and use it anywhere you have a high speed Internet connection to make calls from your same phone number. Goodbye to hotel long distance charges! Through the Web interface, you can change your physical location for 911 purposes if you move or you're traveling with Lingo, too. You can even get extra phone numbers in different area codes (for $4.99/month each for U.S. number or $10/month for international ones). That means for ten bucks, I could have a local number in Seattle (or Italy, or wherever) so people there can call me without incurring long distance charges.
We're not "phone people." We avoid the phone as much as possible, preferring to communicate via e-mail whenever possible. But this new VoIP toy has us actually wanting to use the phone. If we didn't need two lines, we would probably drop the landline. As is, we'll drop the expensive additional services on it and use it as a second line when we both need to make calls at the same time and for the security service and FAX machine.
How about you? Have you tried Voice over IP yet?
Name: Edna & William Taylor
Email: taylor@i_primus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 February 2005
Time: 12:22:55 PM
We have just returned from a 10 day holiday on your fabulous island. You all are so lucky to be in such a beautiful place. We will return next year. We want to say that one of the highlights of our stay was hearing the native lady on the radio wishing everyone good morning and welcoming the visitors. What a delightful voice she has and we only wish we had been to the studio to meet her - but will definitley do so next year. Thank you for us Norfolk Island.
Name: Victory
Email: victory.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 09 February 2005
Time: 10:31:58 PM
Just when we though Ruebz was finished - he came back on. DRAT! Back to CD's for working to.
Name: islander for centuries
Email: x@x.xx
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 09 February 2005
Time: 09:39:27 PM
Dear Angela Elliot B.Ed (EC) (Hons) go girl. . . well done for all the effort to improve your lot in this world. proud to see you have achieved such success.
keep it up the knockers are the ones left behind who try and push people like yourself out. its been happening here for centuries. be brave come home and shine. a norfolk womens point of view
Name: bo diddley
Email: bo@memphis.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 February 2005
Time: 10:43:43 AM
JJJ is for choir kiddies
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Name: jjj listener
Email: @norfolk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 07 February 2005
Time: 08:25:29 PM
to Jeepus & Creepus just switch to JJJ and listen to real music.
Name: Creepus
Email: here.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 07 February 2005
Time: 09:25:08 AM
Dear Jeepus.....you pain in the butt...........do us a favour and crawl back under your rock.
Name: Jeepus
Email: none
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 February 2005
Time: 07:41:55 AM
Dear Creepus, my simple friend. How about reading the first sentence again. Yours Sincerely Jeepus
Name: Creepus
Email: here.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 February 2005
Time: 09:50:35 PM
Hey Jeepus - practise what you preach! Your comment is a case of the "pot calling the kettle black"....or have you not ever heard of the phrase??
Name: Jeepus
Email: none
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 04 February 2005
Time: 02:53:55 PM
The persons having a go at Rueben how about putting your name to your submissions. So we can then analyse and publish how good we think you are at your job.
Name: M E
Email: here.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 February 2005
Time: 02:14:30 PM
I agree with avid listener. borgy rules on radio!! yeah!! he is tops!! and we look forward to his shows as he plays funky music and has a friendly easy to listen to voice. we also like Fletch, Spider and Darls as well cos they play good music and Darls talks norfolk and my nan and pop love her on sundays.
Name: Avid Listener
Email: yorlyecahdo.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 February 2005
Time: 12:09:36 PM
RUEBEN............you are getting worse! and you have the audacity to make a fool of Borgy. The sooner you and your off-sider leave the station - the better for us listeners. The harder you two try - the worse you get. How about taping yourselves and listening. You will see how bloody awful you are. No wonder so many of us are switching off the radio.
Name: Maitland Mercury Paper
Email: inthenews.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 03 February 2005
Time: 08:31:53 AM
Mother pleads for help to solve island murder Alan Hardie Wednesday, 2 February 2005
A Sydney mother is hoping that holiday snaps or film taken by a Lower Hunter resident three years ago might hold vital clues about her daughter's brutal murder. Carol Patton has appealed to any Maitland or Lower Hunter person to contact federal police if they took photographs or video on Norfolk Island on March 31, 2002. Ms Patton's daughter Janelle, 29, was stabbed and bashed 64 times before her body was found on the island's Cockpit Waterfall Reserve. Her mother believes somebody's holiday snaps could show vital details to help solve the murder. "I am appealing to anyone in Maitland or the Lower Hunter who were tourists, or living on Norfolk Island on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2002, to please check any video film or pictures they took," Ms Patton told The Maitland Mercury this week. "These pictures may include images of people or vehicles they don't know - but which could be of vital importance to the police investigation," Ms Patton said. She and her husband Ron had arranged to meet Janelle after she finished work, managing a restaurant at a resort. Janelle didn't turn up - but her body was found soon afterward. "It was a very vicious murder," Mrs Patton said. "Janelle had been stabbed and bashed - with 64 injuries to her body - which was then dumped. "We are concerned that the person who killed our daughter is still out there - and he could kill again." "It is now almost three years since we lost Janelle, but the police investigation is still very active." There is a $300,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction. Anyone with information can ring Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
Name: cc ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 January 2005
Time: 02:56:09 PM
as one "invited" to leave school by the relevant authorities, at the earliest legal convenience, (& having to catch up via night-school ever since) I couldn't agree more
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 28 January 2005
Time: 12:13:14 AM
My point is not for a "higher level" of education but for us to recognise that quite simply Years 11 & 12 are considered a minimum level of education off Norfolk and we should be doing more to encourage our youth to complete schooling to this level. A trade is of no less value but in this day and age people often do a number of different jobs/careers in their life time and those extra 2 years of schooling could make the difference in trying to move to another career later in life. I sit here at my terminal and am reminded of the people in my life at the time that (fruitlessly) encouraged me to go beyond Year 10 at NICS, "education will give you more options"
Name: cc ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 27 January 2005
Time: 09:24:46 PM
Caz: "Yr 10 dropout" makes a good point - not all students are pointy eggheads who will go through to a Ph.D. in Rocket Science; actually the most successfull entrepreneurs usually dropped out at a very early age(Ari. Onassis being the classic case in point).
The "academy" in the classical Greco/Roman world was as much about moulding character & personality as it was about knowledge acquisition. Creating 'good citizens' was the primary goal of the education system of that era. With the advantage of hindsight - seems like an idea whose time has come again.
Why are we also not teaching the fundamental small business management skills which would give young people the confidence to strike out on their own, rather than simply be forced to sell their labour in a BUYERS market?
Name: "Yr 10 dropout"
Email: @N.I.
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Thursday, 27 January 2005
Time: 01:42:13 PM
In reply to norlarnen, I am one of the many "yr 10 dropouts" leaving school in yr 10 a couple of years ago, who is to say that leaving in year 10 was a bad thing for their future? I see not only me but my class peers and also teens who left since me doing so well with mechanic apprenticeships, cheffing apprenticeships, building apprenticeships, working in an office etc. I am not speaking for all year 10 leavers, but majority of them have done very well. If they believe they could do better out of school or have a good job offer - why not start early? If the skill, ability and motivation is there then good on them - go for it!
Name: Caz
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 27 January 2005
Time: 01:30:01 PM
Hi cc,
Very interesting reading on that site. Thank you for the link.
The one problem you have to get around is religion within a public school setting (the good old church and state law, but don't get me started on that particular soapbox of mine LOL), but I don’t disagree with it being a fascinating sounding course that you propose. Of course, teaching comparative religions and civics is only as good as the grounding students are receiving at home, and if this base of ethics, morality, respect and faith. And, unfortunately, I don't think this is going to be resolved by implmenting one additional course of study at NICS.
The concept of Open Education in this document is one that many of us have been implementing for many years to a certain extent, and is now being taught to young student teachers. Group work, individual goal setting, giving students a choice of topics within their assessments to allow them to focus on areas of particular interest, and group discussions, are the basis of teaching now. Long gone are the days of the teacher standing in front of the classroom talking at students for the 40-50 minutes of classtime. We understand that there are all types of learners, and not everyone learns the same, and we need to be able to facilitate this in a classroom setting.
I think the most important point raised in this document is this:
"Knowing how to learn is more important than acquiring a lot of knowledge."
And this is something that is failing for many young children today. It is far easier to put your children in front of the television than it is to read them a book. They aren't seeing their parents love of learning, and they don't have the chance to develop this for themselves. School and education is something to be endured, the legal requirement they must get through until three o'clock when the bell rings and they can get to the beach.
If you can tell me how to solve this one, then you'll have the lifelong gratitude of teachers world wide!!!!
Name: cc ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 27 January 2005
Time: 10:36:13 AM
Lets make 'Desiderata' the Preamble to the forthcoming "Grand Charter of the People's Constitutional Monarchy of Norfolk Island".
Some very insightful comments on "Higher Education" here.
All I'm suggesting is that if we don't want successively younger generations (ucklun or otherwise) to do to Norfolk what the Visigoths did to Rome, we need to reinforce the wonderful values that past generations of our people "imbibed with their Mothers milk", ie. the principles, values, doctrine, creed, tradition, scripture, liturgy, etc. of the Anglican-Episcopal Communion. (And I mean no disrespect here to the congregations of the other wonderful Faiths represented on Norfolk).
Secular-Humanist educational systems throughout the English-speaking world are failing their most vulnerable students abysmally.
Why not introduce - at least - a "Comparative Religious & Civic Studies" Program at NICS.
Angela & Caz: would be very interested in your thoughts on this.
http://teach.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/affsys/humed.html
Name: REITERATION
Email: reiterate_whats_been_said_before
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2005
Time: 12:18:45 PM
The following has been put on here many times and it obvioulsy means nothing to some of you. Get on with it. This is 2005. Read the following again and again. Something just MIGHT sink in???
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with god, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
Name: teen from home
Email: whingers
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2005
Time: 11:06:15 AM
i just wanted to say to the community of norfolk, yorlye have been thru the teen years and you cant say that you never ever did anything wrong. Most of yorlye would understand that teen years were fun and were the years that most of the norm explored their boundaries.
the main point of this is to say that you pples always have to whinge and whine at stuff that is soooo small and it would b a different story if it was you involved in the ridiculous things we are getting in trouble for or you ppls ringing up our parents and exagerating on so called storys or things we have done that dont please you.
the persons/people this is directed to know who they are they, and should create a club whingers and dobbers club coz yorlye are the downfall of the uniqueness of Norfolk.
Name: Livin' in the 70's
Email: honouryourforefathers@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2005
Time: 12:58:02 AM
In the know.........Not a bad idea, story nights on 2NI, our real own 'Norfolk Story'. When you put your mind to it, it wouldn't be hard to put a series together, a good interviewer, stories spoken in Norfolk or English, history repeated for the benefit of all. This is what makes Norfolk the proud place it has always been. Have you read the lyrics on Toof's CD? Makes you proud. Its not jingoistic, just PROUD TO BE A NORFOLKER. Sad to see some knocking the likes of Smithy, have they taken to time to really understand the motives of the people like him that put out for our youth? Encourage those that give willingly, for little or no return. Put the pressure on those that have benefitted handsomely from Norfolk's largesse, build up a bank of funds, recognise the 'givers' and put some effort into the moral fibre of the island. Talk is cheap but I for one would be the first to put my hand up. What about it Geoff, its not just about occupancy and yeild management, its really about making Norfolk a place to be proud of for young and old.
Name: Livin' in the 70's
Email: honouryourforefathers@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2005
Time: 12:57:49 AM
In the know.........Not a bad idea, story nights on 2NI, our real own 'Norfolk Story'. When you put your mind to it, it wouldn't be hard to put a series together, a good interviewer, stories spoken in Norfolk or English, history repeated for the benefit of all. This is what makes Norfolk the proud place it has always been. Have you read the lyrics on Toof's CD? Makes you proud. Its not jingoistic, just PROUD TO BE A NORFOLKER. Sad to see some knocking the likes of Smithy, have they taken to time to really understand the motives of the people like him that put out for our youth? Encourage those that give willingly, for little or no return. Put the pressure on those that have benefitted handsomely from Norfolk's largesse, build up a bank of funds, recognise the 'givers' and put some effort into the moral fibre of the island. Talk is cheap but I for one would be the first to put my hand up. What about it Geoff, its not just about occupancy and yeild management, its really about making Norfolk a place to be proud of for young and old.
Name: higher education
Email: myse_island_home
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 11:56:09 PM
My dear dear Angela,
I am sorry that it has come to this; you have bought it on yourself. Perhaps if you'd read the words of which i wrote. You'd understand what i was trying to say.
My comments were not to shun who ever had the wonderful privilege to obtain a scholarship. Islander or non islander alike.
But to point out that for years now the only scheme for children to further their education/career has come from one scheme.
With that, I wanted to say perhaps the community/businesses on the island pull together and help with or create another such advantage for the younger ones.
Perhaps a Tafe/college type scheme.... where by the children can then repay their opportunity by working back on the island for ex amount of years after their training.
The children are our future……..
I, like you make mistakes, and I am happy to see that you have learnt from yours.
Best of luck in the future.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 11:55:20 PM
While we still call it higher education years 11 and 12 are about as useful as School Cert was 20 years ago as it is considered a minimum level of education today. This reason alone should see more emphasis placed on NICS improving the quality of the instruction, the facilities for our kids and the quality of the students. We currently send the best of our students away to study which is the equivilent of a "brain drain" and doesn't do much to encourage their peers who didn't get the scholarship or couldn't afford to leave. The current drop-out rate at Norfolk Central from the end of Year 10 to finishing Year 12 is a sad indictment on our current efforts.
It is a sad day when a mainlander has the gall to suggest in here that there are no differences between Islanders and Australians or New Zealanders. I left Norfolk years ago, and don't take the hospitality that I recieve as a guest in this country for granted. I would suggest you do the same. Many mainlanders complain about islanders discriminating against them but it is attitudes such as this that increase the divide because it shows a distinct lack of appreciation for our unique culture and heritage.
Name: Angela Elliott
Email: angel_nfk@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 08:15:16 PM
Dear "Live in Brisbane",
I appologise for the fact that my last posting sounded 'blunt'. It was not intended that way. And just so that you (and other forum readers) know, I was expelled from HAHS for running away to a party without permission. P.S. Nice to see you have the GUTS to put YOUR name on your posting....
Name: Live in Brisbane
Email: norfolk@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 06:02:48 PM
ANGELA ELLIOTT.......... Need we say anymore. I would just like to say to her that not only should the scholarship be there for Norfolk Islanders only, seriously, the reason Eldon was handing out scholarships was because he wanted the NORFOLK ISLAND YOUTH to have a chance.
Since Angela was so "blunt" in advising the forum visitors that this boy left Hurlston after a month, how about Angela, you say the REAL reason why you "Left"?? Hows about I'll tell them, we know you were kicked out for having "Numerous" males in your dorm. Isn't this right? Yes...
As for "Non-Norfolk Islanders" recieving the scholarship, I agree that people like you and your family should not have been accepted into it. If Eldon wanted australians or Kiwi's to get the scholarship, dont you think he would have put it in their country?? You need accept that its not acceptable. You dont understand, because your not one of us. You will never be!!! So leave the debate to the people that should have something to say.
Name: Live in Brisbane
Email: norfolk@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 05:55:30 PM
ANGELA ELLIOTT.......... Need we say anymore.
Name: Ex Hurlstone Border
Email: carwhosme
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 04:27:06 PM
I went to hurlstone and had a great time. The hardest thing for me was the transition from League to Rugby. Sorry, and the other was the country girls nor da gude... great experience though with no regrets!!
Name: cc ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 02:47:39 PM
Whilst applauding the philanthropy of that remarkable entrepreneur Eldon Douglas Foote, I do wonder if HAHS is the most appropriate school for young Islanders - regardless of family background - to attend for the objective of "Higher Education" (sic).
Hurlstone Agricultural High School (abbreviated HAHS) is a selective agricultural school in South Western Sydney.
Ruled over by John Norris, Hurlstone is a school of high academic acheivement and community renown. Despite the bad round of media attention it received after a defamatory website was created about its teachers by an ex-student, it remains one of the most prestigious State-operated High Schools in New South Wales.
The school was founded as a boys-only high school in 1907 in the Sydney suburb of Hurlstone Park, approximately ten kilometres south west of Sydney - then on the urban fringe. In the 1920s it moved to its present site in Glenfield, approximately 42km south west of Sydney on the main railway line between Sydney and Melbourne. The school was founded as part of a government policy in the early twentieth century to promote increased efficiency and productivity in the agricultural sector by adequately training boys intending to become farmers in all aspects of agricultural sciences and farm management.
For a brief period in the 1940s, it was known as Macarthur Agricultural High School, in honour of Australia's pioneering woolgrower John Macarthur. However, the name soon reverted to its previous name.
Girls were first admitted to Hurlstone Agricultural High School in 1978. Today, the school is one of most prestigious and acclaimed schools in New South Wales' system of selective high schools - enrolment in the school is determined by academic examinations of Year Six students from across the state. Approximately one-third of students are boarders who live on the school campus - most of these students belong to farming families from all across the State. The rest are day students, referred to as dagoes, who live with their family in suburban Sydney and commute to and from home each day.
There is a large social divide between the the border students and the "dagoes". Day students are typically smarter and more refined whereas boarding students, often derogatorily referred to as "scum" by the day students, are typically better at sports and are more gruff.
The school motto is Pro Patria, which is Latin for 'For The Country'.
Name: Fellow Islander
Email: @norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 01:52:14 PM
Basically I think it is great that the children of Norfolk Island have an opportunity in the scholarships to Hurlstone to further their education especially if their family is unable to afford to give them that option. However, I feel that if the child was to 'pull out' or chuck the scholarship in, then I think that the family should be made to pay back the scholarship to enable someone else to be able to go. Each scholarship is an honour not a right and should be treated with respect and pride.
Name: born and bred
Email: Islander
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 01:38:09 PM
Youth of Norfolk, what a wonderful phrase. I was once part of that wonderous thing and it wasn't that long ago either, in fact it feels like only yesterday. The drugs the alcohol the mischief was there and boy was I interested in all of the above. Mainly because its wrong your not supposed to do it and how exciting is it trying out new things that your not supposed to touch. I am now in the 25-30 age bracket and can look back on my younger days and see how silly and stupid the things I did were. Thank goodness for hindsight. For me it sounds like Norfolk hasn't changed that much. The stuff I used to get up to with alot of others are still the things that some of the youth are getting up to now. I know it dosn't make any of it right but it does say alot for the youth of now they are not that different from what I remember being.
Respect was something I knew about and was taught diligently but as a teenager I knew everything there was to know and why the hell would I listen to anyone else. That is just being a teenager and when you start to grow up and realise that you really don't know everything there is to know, thats when the ball drops and you begin being an adult and making choices that will guide you into your next phase of your life.
Teens will be teens but there are choices that you can make that take you to different paths in your life. I for one chose some pretty screwed up paths that I am not proud of but have made me a better person today because of it. I also have friends that chose the right paths and they are also better people because of that. There are also people that chose dodgy paths and they are still walking those dodgy paths.
Every where you go there are disrespectful youth and fantastic youth that make the thought of the near future all the more interesting. You have good and bad apples everywhere and it is unfortunate but sometimes those bad apples look back and see what they did and now teach their children that those paths arn't so wonderful after all. So you see the youth of today arn't that different to us and if you give it time they do come around. I know I did. So give them a chance things do and can change.
Name: Angela Elliott
Email: angel_nfk@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 01:27:00 PM
Dear "higher education",
For starters, please note that I have the bravery and integrity to actually put my name on this forum posting!
I just wanted to inform you of a few little pieces of information relating to your posting re: "non-island children" going to Hurlstone.
As you are obviously aware, I was the first in my fmaily of "non-island" children to be awarded a scholarship to attend Hurlstone, with many thanks to Eldon and Annie Foote, but did not complete year 12 there.
I was awarded this scholarship based on scholastic, academic, musical and community achievements. And I strongly beleive that if there was an "islander" who bettered my criteria, then they would have been awarded the scholarship in my place.
Anyway, what I REALLY wanted you to know is that in 2004 I completed my DEGREE in EDUCATION (Early childhood) (Honours). Yes, you read it right...A degree with honours. I hope to be employed in Australia for a few years to gain a wide variety of expereinces, in the aim of moving back to Norfolk to teach. So...I was awarded the scholarship, didn't make it through Hurlstone, but am now qualified with a degree. PLease do not be mistaken...I am not telling you this to skite...simply to let you know that through my expereinces of going to Hurlstone, I realised that there is a much bigger World out there, and that there is a lot of learning to expereince to be able to return to Norfolk and provide the best possible expereinces for the island's children.
I'm sure you are already aware, that two of my younger siblings have since attended Hurlstone on a scholarship. One is studying industrial design and Newcastle University, the other will commence at Hurlstone next week. We may not be of island decent, however we have all grown up on Norfolk Island, and I know that I would not swap my Norfolk childhood for anything!!
FYI: In 2000, two boys were awarded the Hurlstone scholarship. ONe and islander, and the other not. The islander boy left Hurlstone after only a few months. The other now has a degree. In 2004, only two boys applied for the Hurlstone scholarship...neither of whom were "island blood". I hope that these two boys gain every positive expereince possible whilst at Hurlstone.
Please cease from discriminating Noroflk Islanders from Mainlanders. Do you see Australians discriminating against Noroflk Islanders when they live in Australia? PLease have a look around you and count how many non-islanders have contributed towards the success of our island.
In conclusion, this was not intended to be a personal attack on you. Simply my view.
Kind regards, Angela Elliot B.Ed (EC) (Hons)
Name: higher education
Email: myse_island_home
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 January 2005
Time: 08:38:18 AM
Funny, when speaking of a Higher Education for the children of Norfolk. Those who wish to gain or obtain something more, perhaps something that is not offered here on the Island by the current years 11 and 12. Most families cannot afford to send their children away.
As an island i know we always look out for our own. I love Norfolk for this. But it has taken a wonderful man (Eldon) who has now passed, who put together a scheme to give the children of the island a chance to reach their goals.
I see in the past it has even benifited those mainland children who have come to live on the island with their parents as well, in place of island children. The these same children being expelled or drop out from the scheme, where perhaps the island children could have stayed.
I am not here to argue who should go, whether it is island children or not.
What i'd like to say is that with the amount of wealthy island people. Why have they not come together and started or helped in such a scheme, it is only to better the island and perhaps one day see a doctor or laywer working on the island with island blood.
Name: Grarbamoon
Email: dumien
Country: Oceans
Date: Saturday, 22 January 2005
Time: 10:04:11 AM
'In the Know', as one who remembers that gentle troubled soul 'Metta', very well (& 'Cuppa'Tea, 'Starr', Jack.B.) & so many more of "the last of the best of our people"), you bring a tear to the eye ...wi muss be se moosa oer'dar Hill.
I wonder how many of this younger generation have even heard of 'Selina' & 'Parkin', let alone realize their significance in our social history.
As for your mention of "Genteelness" ...here's a description of our people in the era of the Wilkinson Report (1890's) by a WORLD CLASS OBSERVER who was actually THERE AT THE TIME - the inimitable doyen of 'Travel Writers'; the formidable Miss Beatrice Grimshaw (ignore the patronizing bits, she was also a congenital faux-British snob):
"There are no finer boatmen, no more daring whalers, in all of the Pacific, than these indolent dreamers, when the mood for action is upon them ...every Norfolker, barefoot, uneducated & unversed in the ways of the world of High Society though he may be, is nonetheless a Gentleman in all essentials. The quiet self possession, the low pleasant voices, the easy courtesy shown by the Norfolkers to any stranger - whether the latter be a globe-trotting Peer, or a broken-down sailor run away from his ship - can only be matched elsewhere in what is known as "the very best" of High Society. There is not the first trace of a snob about him & the gnawing worm of social ambition never eats at the heart of his sun-warmed apple of life".**
** Grimshaw, (London, 1907, pp. 341-44)
Name: a mum
Email: mum@iprimus.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 10:08:03 PM
I think the problem is a lot deeper than is being suggested here. The world is full of young people with problems, not just on Norfolk Island. They are all a product of the society they are growing up in. Bad parenting is top of the list, parents who are never at home, who'd rather spend time in clubs and pubs socialising, young people from broken homes, from single parent families where there was never any commitment to any sort of stable life for a child. Being a good parent means sacrifice! It means putting a childs wellbeing ahead of other things in your life. It's a big commitment and it's for a lot of years! I think we should be taking a good look behind the scene, at what's happening at home before we lay the blame at the feet of young people.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 09:14:08 PM
Hey "Livin in the 70's" Help me out here.Truth or dare. we certainly weren't perfect in our youth and i for one have lots of regrets , mainly about my attitude sometimes but always was respectful to my elders. Anybody out there remember "Metta" car remember how to spell his name properly but he was a troubled soul and I think had been in prison camps in the war and sometimes life would get the better of him and he would act up. Did the young ones turn away and smirk, no I actually watched one night a young sullen who was a bit of a wild boy very gently quieten him down and take him home. His compassion was lovely to see. A friend in an older generation to me (I am a baby boomer) once remarked that with the passing of the generation before him, we seemed to be losing our "Genteelness" along the way of progress. The ones that have passed before us are an awful big act to follow and a trip to the honour wall at the R.S.L. is just a start. Can't live in the past but we can all work together to help make the distance between the generations more comfortable. Maybe we can set up some story nights or interviews on our local tv station. some of them will curl your hair and some will have you rolling in the aisles and some will have most shedding a quiet tear. Some of the most beautiful people i have ever had the privilage to know are sleepin down at Kingston. We ragers of the seventies just might be able to give our wonderful youth a new perspective on life.
Name: A 'Youth'
Email: karwar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 06:41:04 PM
Alot of, I have to admit you make some very good points! A lot of which I agree with! I also received the belt when I was younger and I can’t say that it did any physical harm to me, and I’m not saying that it should be totally disregarded, but if it was to be allowed back into the legal system, would you not get those that tent to abuse the right to do so? As in, take the ‘smack around the legs’ a little to far? And I like to look at these kinds of arguments/debates (What ever you wish to name it Caz) from both points of view. From the youth (however you wish to define youth!) point of view, I see that some of us do bad things, but on the other hand, we can see that it is the ‘older’ people that do it as well, again, no one is perfect. What I’m trying to say is, I am not trying to defend the youth, but am merely trying to give you their point of view, as you, A lot of are doing for me, by allowing me to understand what the Older Generation see when the youth commit the crimes they do, for this I thankyou.
Caz, Ha ha, I should have picked that you are a teacher! I bet you have a lot of these kinds of arguments/debates/another word that is not in my dictionary! At your school, I know that we do at ours. And seen as we are talking about things that don’t have to do with the conversation, where did getting naked and walking around everywhere come into it! Lol (that means ‘laugh out loud’ by the way! More Internet slang!) Also, I want to add that I did not say you are old enough to have been around when the cane was, I added before I said anything about the cane, “Depending on how old you are”, meaning, IF you are old enough to have been around at that time, I also stated “and yes I know no one said anything about canes coming back Caz”, because I knew you would try to use that against me to! What did you mean that you never said anything about ‘your generation’ or the ‘older generation’ being role models? If you want the youth of today to become like ‘your generation’ or the ‘older generation’ then doesn’t that mean that the older generation would have to be role models of the younger generation? Thank you for your definition on ‘Youth’, ill keep it in mind. Look to my Teachers? And other adults – Parents! Well for your information, I might be able to tell you a few teachers that utilise drugs and abuse alcohol, I might be able to tell you of many parents that utilise drugs and abuse alcohol, you continue to tell us to look up to them, and for them to act appropriately, so I suppose that it would have to come back to the parents and adults. On the contrary, I am not getting overly excited over this topic, nor am I getting defensive, I am simply trying to give you the youths point of view on the topic, it should be safe for me to do so in this forum is it not? Or is the youths view disregarded and seen as too childish? Like it is in the majority of schools?
Before I go I would like to say I will not be continuing with this topic as it seems to be getting a little out of hand, but I also want to say that I like nottelling’s opinion, I think there should be a small facility that allows ‘undisciplined’ children to get a taste of prison etc. Thanks again guys, and I’m sorry for any offences I may have made in this entry.
Peace out!
Name: 13-18 yr old
Email: n_a@n_a
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 04:27:40 PM
STOP THE BLOODY WHINING! TEENS WILL BE TEENS! WHETHER U LIVE IN NORFOLK OR BLOODY TIMBUKTOO! i KNOW norfolk has it pretty well! i SCREAM if i have to hear another sook about us.
Name: cc ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 04:15:38 PM
To: "A Youth"
<>an excellent post
<>you make a VERY good point about the pristine remains of Australia's "sacred sites" on this Island
<>unfortunately there is no "magic bullet" solution to the range of problems we face
<>we are ALL 'casualties' of "HUMANISM: THE WRECK OF WESTERN CULTURE":
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1153654.htm
http://www.scribepub.com.au/New%20Releases/WWC.html
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2680
Name: Caz
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 04:04:51 PM
>>Before continueing in this discussion, i would like to add that i am not purposly singleing anyone out in this forum, i am simply debating some of the arguments that are being thrown at the youth. <<
It is a discussion *about* young people, not arguments being thrown at them. It's a problem facing most communities in this day and age, and one that certainly needs to be investigated, and solutions proposed.
>>>Which brings me back to what i was saying before, times have changed and today is alot different to your yesterday. <<<
Times may change, technology may move on, but what is dangerous, illegal, disrespectful and inappropriate rarely changes. Just because you can buy Playboy in every newstand these days, does that mean we should all just walk around naked?
Neither 'A lot of' or myself said that we took children down to the 'pub' and left them in the backs of cars, nor did we condone that behaviour. As a teacher, I have very strict codes of behaviour that I must adhere to and I have certainly never "come at" anyone with a cane. I really don't understand why you keep bringing it up, when no one has even suggested capital punishment in schools. And even "in my day" no one used the cane on us. I'm not really that old, youth! Not everyone who thinks that the younger generation is headed on a dangerous path is in the blue hair brigade!
>>none of the three men in question were under 18, and hardly under 28, are these the role models you intend to have for the children? <<
I never suggested that they be role models, or indeed that everyone should be role models. How about you look to your teachers, adults around you, and hopefully your parents for that sort of guidance. There is criminal activity in all ages of life. Wisdom does not in fact come with age. Your task as a 'youth' is to find those people around you that you can look up to and emulate.
Just for your information, the dictionary defination of "youth" does not mention anything about age: "Youth" n 1: a young person (especially a young man or boy) [syn: young person, younker, spring chicken] 2: young people collectively; "rock music appeals to the young"; "youth everywhere rises in revolt" [syn: young] [ant: aged] 3: the time of life between childhood and maturity 4: early maturity; the state of being young or immature or inexperienced. (from dictionary.com).
Regarding the age of drinkers: No one said that those over the age of 18 that get drunk aren't acting inappropriately, but under the letter of the law, that is their own business (unless they choose to drive), nor are people 'holding drugs or alcohol against' your generation. What people seem to be worried about is 'youth' (see dictionary defination) who are drinking (illegally, if under 18) and those with substance abuse problems.
You seem to be getting very defensive, and I think you need to understand that no one here has laid any 'blame' on the younger generation. Instead, we are trying to help. As a young person on the island, I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts as to what you believe could be done to give the future guardians of Norfolk Island more opportunities and support.
Caz
PS I too use MSN, ICQ and other internet chat programs. It doesn't make me type in internet slang, and as a high school English teacher I suppose that makes me overly sensitive towards it.
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 04:03:04 PM
regarding all the posts concerning discipline etc, perhaps a suggestion could be made to the assembly that a small, purpose built prison complex be built on norfolk? It would provide jobs for a few locals and some of the younger idiots on norfolk could actually be sent to do some real jail time (weeks etc) without being sent offshore with all the costs involved in that. their families could still visit them (in specified hours), they get an hour a day for exercise etc and they will get a taste of what is to come if they continue with their stupidity further on in their adult lives. Just a thought...
Name: A Lot Of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 04:01:37 PM
Youth,
Thankyou for trying to better understand what we are saying. Just a little correction. The belt over my bottom never did me any harm. I do not believe in "child abuse" but the legal system this day and age has taken that law a little to far, just like the children are now screaming "child abuse" every time the parents give them a crack across the legs. To tell you the truth I deserved every single belt over my backside and I don't hold it against my parents and I can add that I never once "feared" them either. I know that that sort of punishment is not acceptable this day and age but there are other ways of punishing children. Like I mentioned before - grounding normally gets a pretty good result.
You are correct in saying no-one is perfect and I "could" analyse every single different statement made on this forum but to tell you the truth I do not think the submission box would be able to contain my entire opinion on everything.
Yes, there are older people that are doing bad things on Norfolk but at the end of the day it is and always will be the younger generations position to take the stand and make Norfolk the beautiful, peaceful Island that we call home. You to will be apart of the "older generation" one day.
Name: A 'Youth'
Email: Karwar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 02:37:32 PM
Before continueing in this discussion, i would like to add that i am not purposly singleing anyone out in this forum, i am simply debating some of the arguments that are being thrown at the youth.
Alot of, I agree with some of your stamments, the Police should not be help responsible for the youths acts of wrong doing, nor do i think that it is the Government or Teachers fault - and they do have some ways to prevent and help with some of these problems the youth are making. I also agree that it is "some" of the parents that need to put their kids in place, but if we are going to generalise on the 'younger generation' then i must say that Norfolk is rather lucky in alot of ways about how disiplined and respectful the children are, it ws only a little while ago i was down Kingston and said to my friend, "you know, if this were Australia or any other larger country, these Historic buildings (we were having a barbeque in the compound) would be filled with spraypaintings and tags that we wouldnt be able to see the buildings themselves", Is that not a true statment? Again Alot of, i do not mean to affend you, and i hope i dont, but do we expect to much of the kids? 'nothings perfect'
Caz,
I wanna start here by appoligising for jumping to the conclusion that you thought yr's 11 and 12 should be removed from the Norfolk Island School corriculum - It simply sounded as though you beleived that it should be. i also want to appoligise for my spelling not being up to your standards, as a 'youngen' i have been introduced to a program on the internet called MSN and we tend to 'shorten' words such as don't to 'dnt' and so on, so again i appolise for that - again i jumped to the conclusion that you would understand... but then, back when you were a little tacker, your punctuation was different to ours wasn't it? Which brings me back to what i was saying before, times have changed and today is alot different to your yesterday. Which also brings me to child abuse - which came into this conversation by you and Alot of (again i dnt mean to single you out) saying that 'back in your day' you were kept in cars while your parents went into the pubs - this in Australia is considered as child abuse, smacking your kids - again, considered as child abuse, and (depending on how old you are) this would mean bringing back the cane - which again, is considered as child abuse! it is illegal and is illegal for a reason, and personally, if a teacher was to come at me with a cane, im not going to sit back and watch, you may see this as being disrespectful or undiciplined, but i see it as self defense - my personal opinion, and yes i know no one said anything about canes coming back Caz, but i said it to help you understand that what you feared back in your day, is not seen the same way now days. Just before i go, i want to take you back a couple of weeks ago when there was an incident that made it to the paper where a man was aproached at his house, beaten, and then shots fired into the ceiling of his place, none of the three men in question were under 18, and hardly under 28, are these the role models you intend to have for the children? Friday and Saturday nights at places such as Sports and Workers, leagues club, or the brewery are usually bustling, but i would like to know exactly how many under age drinkers come out of there drunk! Did you know there are reports of canibus being on Norfolk as long as 30 years ago! i would also like to know how many under 18's you can find that bring drugs such as Speed, Ecstacy and so on, over to Norfolk , so i would apreciate it if you did not hold drugs or alcohol agaisnt my generation before undersanding how they get here and where they come from, im sure you would find that alot of people from 'your generation' are responsable for alot of these substaces.
Peace out!
P.S: i appoligise again for any for any spelling mistakes i may have made and for that matter punctuation mistakes - maybe i should have found the money to go away for schooling...
Name: Caz
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 12:50:44 PM
A lot of,
I agree with you, respect begins in the home and it shouldn't have to be up to the NI Govt or the Police, or even the schools, to teach this. I think it's very easy to get complacent with regards to children's whereabouts on an island such as Norfolk…. How far can they go anyway? What harm will come to them? Let's give them a drivers licence young so we don't have to drive them around. I'd love to see the NI Police take a hard line and throw these kids in jail overnight and have the parents have to come and bail them out. A slap on the wrist isn't good enough anymore and it's obviously not working over there.
A while ago (here in australia), someone floated a proposed law that parents should be responsible for their underage children's crimes. Like the incident with the kitten I mentioned below, I would like to see these young criminals jailed for the 2 years they are eligible to get for animal abuse (should be 20 in my opinion), and the parents to receive the same sentence for not supervising their children properly. These kids were 16 years of age! What were they doing hanging around a railway station at midnight and where were the parents whilst all of this was going on?
As you say, the youth of today don't understand that we actually want to help them. They're going to get a very rude awakening when they hit adulthood and have to suddenly support themselves and a family. When they learn that the world doesn't make anymore concessions for being "young and stupid". I grew up with a lot of the island kids, spending all my summers there. I remember long days spent down the beach, trying to see just how many we could fit onto the pontoon, and then when we got a bit older, getting to and fro on scooters. I remember late night slumber parties, horseriding and hours spent rowing around on one of those waveriders. We didn't need violence, alcohol or drugs. (Nor did we need youth centres, swimming pools and movie theatres, although I do think a youth centre would be a good thing on the island, if run appropriately).
Youth,
Regarding your post to A lot of, I'm not sure where you pulled child abuse into this discussion, but I haven't read anyone advocating abuse on this forum. Appropriate punishment (community service, reparations for crimes, drug and alcohol counselling, and even jail time if necessary) is not capital punishment. Perhaps a little more time on your english studies such as spelling and punctuation would also assist you in your written communications.
Name: Alot of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 12:26:14 PM
Sorry guys - my computer and I just bugged out!!! Tee Hee
Name: Alot Of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 12:24:47 PM
Youth,
maybe on my inital statement I should have explained the following;
For some reason throughout this Forum the Norfolk Island Police and the Norfolk Island Government have some how been held responsible for everything the younger generation is doing wrong??
I was simply trying to state that respect and manners start at home. I was also trying to say that maybe "some" parents need to pull there children into place rather than expecting everyone else to do it for them.
I in no way despise any of the youth on Norfolk but I do see that "some" of the youth who are lacking the respect and manners that should have been taught to them at an early stage are missing direction from their parent/s.
SO, actually if you read my statement correctly you will find that I am trying to actually help "your" generation.....
Name: A 'Youth' Email: Karwar Country: Norfolk Island Date: Friday, 21 January 2005 Time: 11:25:39 AM
Comments Haha - Sorry, i just had to come back and reply to 'Alot of catching up's' reply to Pissed Off on thursday 20 jan 05.
Man some things get taken so seriously in this forum! haha, anyway. Well im actually a 17 to 246 age group! And i have to agree with Pissed Off because surly you have better things to do than go and have a go at the youth of Norfolk, by the sounds of things, you despise the youth of norfolk, not leaving any room for what they do right - well without getting personal, that is too bad, because they are the youth of norfolk and they are the next generation, regardless of you thinking they will be the worst. It's funny, you keep taking us back to your day! and again, without making it personal, we're not in your day! this is the present and can only be the future - here's some trivia, did you know that there are laws now days about child abuse? they are in place for a reason, this reason might be so that some of the children dont become like the 'elderly' of today... or because it's seen as just plain cruel, and i for one think it is, im quite sure that you didnt love getting smacked round the arse with a belt - would you seriously be able to do that to a child of yours? if you can well i think it's obvious where the problem might lie. Maybe the children should be hit - hell maybe they should all just be shot, whatever you think, i just hope whatever you think - never gets put in place...
Peace Out!
Name: Alot Of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 12:24:43 PM
Youth,
maybe on my inital statement I should have explained the following;
For some reason throughout this Forum the Norfolk Island Police and the Norfolk Island Government have some how been held responsible for everything the younger generation is doing wrong??
I was simply trying to state that respect and manners start at home. I was also trying to say that maybe "some" parents need to pull there children into place rather than expecting everyone else to do it for them.
I in no way despise any of the youth on Norfolk but I do see that "some" of the youth who are lacking the respect and manners that should have been taught to them at an early stage are missing direction from their parent/s.
SO, actually if you read my statement correctly you will find that I am trying to actually help "your" generation.....
Name: A 'Youth' Email: Karwar Country: Norfolk Island Date: Friday, 21 January 2005 Time: 11:25:39 AM
Comments Haha - Sorry, i just had to come back and reply to 'Alot of catching up's' reply to Pissed Off on thursday 20 jan 05.
Man some things get taken so seriously in this forum! haha, anyway. Well im actually a 17 to 246 age group! And i have to agree with Pissed Off because surly you have better things to do than go and have a go at the youth of Norfolk, by the sounds of things, you despise the youth of norfolk, not leaving any room for what they do right - well without getting personal, that is too bad, because they are the youth of norfolk and they are the next generation, regardless of you thinking they will be the worst. It's funny, you keep taking us back to your day! and again, without making it personal, we're not in your day! this is the present and can only be the future - here's some trivia, did you know that there are laws now days about child abuse? they are in place for a reason, this reason might be so that some of the children dont become like the 'elderly' of today... or because it's seen as just plain cruel, and i for one think it is, im quite sure that you didnt love getting smacked round the arse with a belt - would you seriously be able to do that to a child of yours? if you can well i think it's obvious where the problem might lie. Maybe the children should be hit - hell maybe they should all just be shot, whatever you think, i just hope whatever you think - never gets put in place...
Peace Out!
Name: Alot Of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 12:24:17 PM
Youth,
maybe on my inital statement I should have explained the following;
For some reason throughout this Forum the Norfolk Island Police and the Norfolk Island Government have some how been held responsible for everything the younger generation is doing wrong??
I was simply trying to state that respect and manners start at home. I was also trying to say that maybe "some" parents need to pull there children into place rather than expecting everyone else to do it for them.
I in no way despise any of the youth on Norfolk but I do see that "some" of the youth who are lacking the respect and manners that should have been taught to them at an early stage are missing direction from their parent/s.
SO, actually if you read my statement correctly you will find that I am trying to actually help "your" generation.....
Name: A 'Youth' Email: Karwar Country: Norfolk Island Date: Friday, 21 January 2005 Time: 11:25:39 AM
Comments Haha - Sorry, i just had to come back and reply to 'Alot of catching up's' reply to Pissed Off on thursday 20 jan 05.
Man some things get taken so seriously in this forum! haha, anyway. Well im actually a 17 to 246 age group! And i have to agree with Pissed Off because surly you have better things to do than go and have a go at the youth of Norfolk, by the sounds of things, you despise the youth of norfolk, not leaving any room for what they do right - well without getting personal, that is too bad, because they are the youth of norfolk and they are the next generation, regardless of you thinking they will be the worst. It's funny, you keep taking us back to your day! and again, without making it personal, we're not in your day! this is the present and can only be the future - here's some trivia, did you know that there are laws now days about child abuse? they are in place for a reason, this reason might be so that some of the children dont become like the 'elderly' of today... or because it's seen as just plain cruel, and i for one think it is, im quite sure that you didnt love getting smacked round the arse with a belt - would you seriously be able to do that to a child of yours? if you can well i think it's obvious where the problem might lie. Maybe the children should be hit - hell maybe they should all just be shot, whatever you think, i just hope whatever you think - never gets put in place...
Peace Out!
Name: Caz
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 11:45:37 AM
Youth, I can certainly understand what you are saying, but I never suggested not offering grades 11 and 12 on the island, they should absolutely be available, along with access to TAFE qualifications in technical, hospitality and trade courses. But, as it stands at the moment, there is limited access for students who wish to pursue high level curriculum (physics, trig, etc, etc) through the island, even less incentive for those that wish to do so. Some of these students are turning their attentions to less than savory pass times in an effort to minimise the boredom they are feeling from not being challenged enough in their studies. <br> Has anyone considered a community scholorship fund of some form? A way of raising funds to send some of these students overseas for a year of schooling. Alternatively, bring in some specialist teachers that can teach these higher level subjects. A good science specialist (physics, biology, chemistry) a maths specialist and perhaps a humanities specialist (ancient and modern history, english, perhaps drama and communications also) would only be three new teachers (and could replace some without advanced specialist skills) teaching years 8-12, but would allow all students a greater choice. OR the scholorship fund could be used to pay for students from Norfolk to attend university level course with the agreement that after graduation they would spend X number of years teaching on Norfolk in a lower wage bracket. It wouldn't be hard to make Norfolk Island a school of academic excellence with such small class numbers and individual attention, IF….. The following also occurs:
<br> I also read comments about people (parents) criticising teachers on the island claiming that their wages are too high, they're only on the island for the tax break, etc etc. If students are hearing this sort of disrespectful attitude about their teachers at home, this carries over to the classroom. Parents should be teaching their students to respect their teachers (and all adults) regardless of whether they are islanders or from the mainland. Children need it instilled in them from early on that education is their most important priority, that learning can be interesting and that their whole future depends on it. Parents need to get involved, start demanding improved facilities and educational opportunities for their children. <br> Norfolk needs to start thinking ahead. What happens when the current generation of accommodation operators, resturant owners, tour guides, waiters and cleaners retire, leaving the current generation to run the tourist industry. Do you really think so many tourists will come to the island to be disrespected, muttered at in Norfolk and treated the way the current younger generation treats their elders? <br> Caz
Name: A 'Youth'
Email: Karwar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 11:25:39 AM
Haha - Sorry, i just had to come back and reply to 'Alot of catching up's' reply to Pissed Off on thursday 20 jan 05.
Man some things get taken so seriously in this forum! haha, anyway. Well im actually a 17 to 246 age group! And i have to agree with Pissed Off because surly you have better things to do than go and have a go at the youth of Norfolk, by the sounds of things, you despise the youth of norfolk, not leaving any room for what they do right - well without getting personal, that is too bad, because they are the youth of norfolk and they are the next generation, regardless of you thinking they will be the worst. It's funny, you keep taking us back to your day! and again, without making it personal, we're not in your day! this is the present and can only be the future - here's some trivia, did you know that there are laws now days about child abuse? they are in place for a reason, this reason might be so that some of the children dont become like the 'elderly' of today... or because it's seen as just plain cruel, and i for one think it is, im quite sure that you didnt love getting smacked round the arse with a belt - would you seriously be able to do that to a child of yours? if you can well i think it's obvious where the problem might lie. Maybe the children should be hit - hell maybe they should all just be shot, whatever you think, i just hope whatever you think - never gets put in place...
Peace Out!
Name: A 'Youth'
Email: karwar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 10:58:42 AM
Wataweh Yorlye! Well, i just got on to see what is going on in this forum, and again, like it was about 4 months ago! we are talking about the youth of norfolk, but thats cool, i mean, i understand what you mean about the youth being less dicipline and less respectful but it is the entire world, you cnt just single out Norfolk, i say this Caz because in your stament you said that we youth are losing this dicipline through the fact that we don't have to leave for Highschool, it's is easier for you to say because, and im not having a go at you! according to my dad, when he was in school, you didnt need yr 11 and 12 to get a University degree. And with the prices of airfare tickets, boarding and the rest a student would need to leave and do school, is just too expensive these days. And i really dnt think that the Norfolk Island Government will be able to afford to help out with some of these students. Im pointing this out because my argument is that, if the students cannot afford to go to the mainlend in order to get their Higher School Cert (HSC), then will not most ( by most i mean alot more than now) drop out of school anyway?
Name: Alot of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 09:59:25 AM
Caz,
I would have to agree with you in regards to Years 11 and 12 now been available on Norfolk Island. Personally I would like to see the "really" old fashioned compulsary military training be bought back into schools. I think that all people would benifit from the training which teaches respect, disapline, obediance, courage, trust etc etc etc. I have never heard so much back chatting and smart ass comments from the younger generation as we have seen developing over the last couple of years. At the end of the day all of our generations have weak areas depending on society however if we can all get back to basic's and learn to respect the elders of all ages we will be much better off.
Name: Caz
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 09:09:49 AM
As a high school teacher, I do think that teenagers today are far less respectful then in the years when we were growing up. Some of the things said by teenagers today are just downright out of line. Unfortunately, I think a lot of this comes down to bad parenting. When I was growing up we feared the wrath of our own parents should we misbehave. The threat of a teacher calling home was enough to keep us well and truly in line.
Last night in the media they broadcast a story about three teenage boys in Sydney that were caught at a railway station abusing a young kitten. They beat it, stoned it, then rode their bikes on it before dropping it onto the railway line. Now by what right do these children have to do such an act, and what sort of parenting did they receive where they believe this is an acceptable act. I would like to see parents held accountable for their children's crimes, then we might see somethings change.
Over 25 years of visits to Norfolk I have seen a lot of changes and I do think the youth are getting worse. And yes, it's all very well to say build a youth centre, build a pool, but is boredom really an acceptable excuse for illegal activity? These kids need to be caught, charged and made accountable for their actions. And so do their parents.
I've wondered somewhat if the change in attitude comes with students not having to leave the island for high school anymore. Back when I first began visiting (I was only a child, who came with her parents), students were sent away to boarding school. I can't help but wonder if that instilled some discipline and respect in the students, as well as some pride of achievement in their studies. With the level of schooling now available on Norfolk, they no longer have to leave the island, and are missing out on the higher levels of academic learning that is available to students here. Any thoughts on this?
Name: Chris
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 January 2005
Time: 07:13:29 AM
Avid Listener............I know exactly where you are coming from. When the radio had its own guest book a heap of us wrote our concerns which obviously George didn't like as he had it removed. There are some really great DJ's then there are just the few who wreck it and make us younger ones switch off. I didn't hear what you were referring to but have heard a few people talking about it. I agree - the 2 involved should be sacked. I rang to speak to the Manager and was told he is on holiday so maybe a visit to the minister might be the answer - but what will he do???? shield him like he did in the assembly when I got Tim to ask questions??? No one deserves to be made a fool of publicly and questions should be asked. Yep - gte rid of Jillian and Rubes.....and the radio will be a better place and then WE might listen again whilst at work.
Name: consistant
Email: grind@away
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 11:19:48 PM
Norfolk is an amazing place to live I'm sure you would all agree. If only we could all agree on other aspects of our lives. Why does it seem that a few people find comfort in throwing rocks from behind glass walls. I too am from the 28 to 32 age bracket so that gives me a broader view on several age groups. The youth as I see them today seem fine they are healthy, respectful and for an age group, that is probably experiencing the most confusing part of their lives seem to be alright sure they will make mistakes but that is their job.My age group I believe has changed significantly from the age group above me. In their day the 40+ age group, as much as they will deny the facts, could be generalised, as they seem to do so well on this forum, as a bunch of piss swilling,fighting, drug smoking,wife beating,child mistreating hipacrits, remember that in their generation there were far many more Pubs/Clubs far more pub brawls,far more TEPs beaten, far more car accidents, far less time spent at home with the kids, a lot of you used to take us kids to the pubs and allow us to sleep in the car remember.But I guess we don't talk about that. Why is it that if you do nothing, you are a young dead beat if you do become what society deems as a success you will be judged as a tight arse who shouldn't be working becuase you nor need et. I will welcome a debate from anyone who will disagree. I do have a memory, a real good one!!!!
Name: Avid Listener
Email: changeofscene.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 09:12:01 PM
I would like to say that it is in very poor taste how Steve Borg was put into an embarassing situation at the radio station on Wednesday. Whoever the culprits are for setting up incorrect and stupid notices should be dismissed at once. There are enough errors on the radio now without making up and adding incorrect notices to make the announcer look stupid. It doesn't take much to work out who would have the [stupid] mentality to carry out such an act but like I said - he/they should be fired. Take a listen to yourself RC and you will see why you and another certain person down there are so irritating. Neither of you have any personality and perhaps it is time to look at the manager as well???? We the public don't pay you people to be outright idiots. The radio [like other stations off island] should set proper guidelines and stick to them. Shame on you Reuben for being such a smart arse and why not pack your bags and step down and give us a break. There are heaps of better DJ's than you and they should be utilised.
Name: Alot of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 04:10:32 PM
Hey pissed off,
if you read my statement a little further down the track then you may very well understand that the problem lies else where. Your (obviously your) generation have been bought up alot different to some of us (I'm only in the 28 - 32 age bracket by the way) a little older. I CAN speak from experience (like most older people) by saying that I truely believe that MY generation had alot more respect for our elders. There was no way we would be seen dead standing outside the pub and carrying on the way our younger generations do these days. The strange thing is that the younger generation these days have alot more to do outside of school than we ever did. Our weekends consisted of walking, running or riding down town for a swim, heading up to swing in the old tree up grassy road, hanging out down the valley etc etc. We were not welcome were people 2 years above us hung out let alone were people 10 years and more hang out like the younger generation these days. But - it all starts at home. Parental responsibilities. If your parents are happy enough to allow you all to go out, smoke pot, drink booze and the girls dress like Paris Hilton then so be it! At the end of the day you will not be a respected citizen because in turn you have been stripped of the respect of yourselves and your families. Maybe there is a reason that the legal age for drinking is 18 and that pot is illegal. My opinion is kids up to the age of 15/16 (depending on the child) should only be allowed at social gatherings with family members - not sent off with their friends every Friday/Saturday night. SOME of you "Younger Generation" seem to think you have respect for your elders but once you are with your friends and under the influence of alcohol that seems to all get thrown out the door. Maybe my generation should do to yorley what our older generation did to us???? When we were caught where we were not supposed to be our elders used to give us a good ear bashing and send us straight home - believe me, we were actually scared! Once home we recieved what is called a "Grounding" not sure if some of you are aware of the term. It means that you are not to take part in basically anything you consider fun! Meaning, no beach, no friends, no TV, no Computer (not that we had one then), no going out at all and it lasted for at least 2 weeks as a minimum punishment.
Once the MAJORITY of yorley start showing respect then you will be given respect in return. If some of your age group are the ones that are letting you down then why not tell them to pull their heads in? Remember it is an earnt priveledge and comes with responsibility!
Food for thought
Name: Kjel Buffett
Email: kjel@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 03:04:57 PM
Hope yorley are having a great day? The sun is shining and we are all able to breath this sweet clean air. All the Buffett clan send their condolences to Aunty Bonnie Cross who lost her beloved Gordon the other day, Kjel David Buffett
Name: GreyMare
Email: behind@thecabbages.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 01:47:49 PM
Fruit........ ii it a health issue on pacific Islands that there is never enough fruit? Or vegetables for that matter? All our tourists complain about it, recently I have gone for 5 days without any fruit at all. No chance then of going on a diet where you substitute fruit for any junk you might be eating. I am down to tinned peaches, with their doubtful contents that may not have any food value at all ........ The Mare
Name: grey mare
Email: behind@thecabbages.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 01:39:36 PM
dopesmoker (sorry, i think i got your name wrong) I agree with you, a swimming pool, a government run committee to oversee youth activities, the new youth centre, give the kids all we can. Hopefully that will instill a sense of worth, that people do care about our young people here, they are not regarded as a nuisance but as our future. Regards The Mare
Name: Ess True
Email: righthere.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 12:58:10 PM
You know - all of you who write crap on here should be ashamed. Quite obviously none of you READ & ABSORBED what Darls put on here. I am copying her message (hope you don't mind Darls) and putting on here again because what she has said is so true. WAKE UP and ENJOY LIFE as it is very short and if all we are going to use this forum for is to whinge and bitch then maybe NIDS ahould be asked to take it off the air for a while. It is embarassing. Please Darls don't be annoyed at what I have done.
Name: Darlene Buffett Email: @norfolk.nf Country: Norfolk Island Date: Friday, 14 January 2005 Time: 07:56:31 AM
Comments Hey yorlye - we are burying another of our beautiful young people today who died at just 30 years of age. This is another sad day for Norfolk Island. We should really count our blessings especially after watching and hearing the news. There is a lot of bickering going on in this forum and believe it or not, this site is accessed by the media and the like all the time. It is also accessed by potential visitors to our island. What a great introduction this must be to them. Yes I admit - over time I too have contributed to this forum and at all times have signed my name but some of the entries on here are really shocking and in some cases sad. It is not the best place to hang out dirty washing or have a go at a person for the above reasons I mentioned. We cah wuthen dem o'er dare doen with all dee entries. This is a new year, so let's enjoy it and each other while we can as no doubt all the Tsunami victims wish they had their fellow country men and loved ones with them today. We have seen the following poem on here many times before, and it truly contains words of wisdom. All Ucklun leww gude from now on cos life too short.
GO PLACIDLY AMID THE NOISE AND THE HASTE, AND REMEMBER WHAT PEACE THERE MAY BE IN SILENCE. AS FAR AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT SURRENDER BE ON GOOD TERMS WITH ALL PERSONS. SPEAK YOUR TRUTH QUIETLY AND CLEARLY; AND LISTEN TO OTHERS, EVEN TO THE DULL AND THE IGNORANT, THEY TOO HAVE THEIR STORY. AVOID LOUD AND AGGRESSIVE PERSONS, THEY ARE VEXATIONS TO THE SPIRIT. IF YOU COMPARE YOURSELF WITH OTHERS, YOU MAY BECOME VAIN OR BITTER; FOR ALWAYS THERE WILL BE GREATER AND LESSER PERSONS THAN YOURSELF. ENJOY YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS AS WELL AS YOUR PLANS. KEEP INTERESTED IN YOUR OWN CAREER, HOWEVER HUMBLE; IT IS A REAL POSSESSION IN THE CHANGING FORTUNES OF TIME. EXERCISE CAUTION IN YOUR BUSINESS AFFAIRS, FOR THE WORLD IS FULL OF TRICKERY. BUT LET NOT THIS BLIND YOU TO WHAT VIRTUE THERE IS; MANY PERSONS STRIVE FOR HIGH IDEALS, AND EVERYWHERE LIFE IS FULL OF HEROISM. BE YOURSELF. ESPECIALLY DO NOT FEIGN AFFECTION. NEITHER BE CYNICAL ABOUT LOVE; FOR IN THE FACE OF ALL ARIDITY AND DISENCHANTMENT IT IS AS PERENNIAL AS THE GRASS. TAKE KINDLY THE COUNSEL OF THE YEARS, GRACEFULLY SURRENDERING THE THINGS OF YOUTH. NURTURE STRENGTH OF SPIRIT TO SHIELD YOU IN SUDDEN MISFORTUNE. BUT DO NOT DISTRESS YOURSELF WITH DARK IMAGININGS. MANY FEARS ARE BORN OF FATIGUE AND LONELINESS. BEYOND A WHOLESOME DISCIPLINE, BE GENTLE WITH YOURSELF. YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE UNIVERSE, NO LESS THAN THE TREES AND THE STARS; YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE. AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS CLEAR TO YOU, NO DOUBT THE UNIVERSE IS UNFOLDING AS IT SHOULD. THEREFORE, BE AT PEACE WITH GOD, WHATEVER YOU CONCEIVE HIM TO BE. AND WHATEVER YOUR LABORS AND ASPIRATIONS IN THE NOISY CONFUSION OF LIFE, KEEP PEACE IN YOUR SOUL. WITH ALL ITS SHAM, DRUDGERY AND BROKEN DREAMS; IT IS STILL A BEAUTIFUL WORLD. BE CHEERFUL. STRIVE TO BE HAPPY.
Name: Pissed off
Email: -
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 12:14:12 PM
to all of the people that are being so judgemental to the youth of norfolk ....look around! its not like the older generation is doing much better! the more you put the youth down on the way they live the more they will feel as if they have failed and then just keep on doing drugs and consuming drinks! its so pethetic how you older people can come onto norfolks forum and basically tell the youth of norfolk that they are nothing but drunk...drugged up little rabbits with no hope in life! what kind of person are you to be so judgmental! you obviously dont have enough things to do in your lives so you come onto here to get involved in the bitchiness towards norfolk and its failures! THINK ABOUT IT :)
Name: bugs bunny
Email: bugsbunny@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 11:19:59 AM
to rolf... if u havnt tried it.... dont diss it or judge people who do.
Name: Gal
Email: NA
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 10:43:58 AM
Am home safe and sound monster. Take care.
Name: Karwhar
Email: Karwhar.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 January 2005
Time: 07:54:39 AM
Re- Disgusted Resident and Kjiel Buffett's submission. I agree with parts of both of your submissions, but at the end of the day all we can hope for is that the courts do the right thing and send the offender back to where he came from. No young kid deserves to be bashed the way he was by a fully grown adult. As it turns out, Kitt was'nt even the culprit, just a case of mistaken identity.
Name: Livin in the 70's
Email: dopessmokedope@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005
Time: 11:20:41 PM
In the know......Thanks for your comments, I've also kept track of Phil and he's fine and I still consider him a good friend. Interesting how the 70's endures, even those we might not have thought a lot of then are now friends and the camaraderie is strong amongst us middle agers.
A lot of catching up........keep up the constructive comments, you have a good point re the PARENTING aspect. One valid point we need to reflect on is the pace of life that sees many parents working too long and too hard with little time for the things that our parents were involved in, IE taking time out with the kids. Remember when we had no TV and we used to go to each others homes in the evening to play cards? I still regret the day that Video/TV came to the Island. What real use has it been? Wasn't it more fun to go to Roy Totts and listen to him rouse on the likes of Smudgie, Doggie and the Boofs for their behaviour before the show started? We need more distractions for our young. We should support the likes of George and Kissard and others that endeavour to find outlets for our energetic youth. Lets get some real funding and support (read Government) for our youth group and do something really worthwhile. How about exploring a Youth and Community Social and Sports Centre on the land adjacent to Rawson Hall incorporating an indoor pool and other activities. Food for comment?
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005
Time: 08:11:21 PM
Dear Livin in the 70's, You hit the nail on the head. To those who weren't here, Did we have a good time and not many problems concerning our youth. You betcha. Sometimes moving foward is a step backwards and Davo has turned out okay.
Name: Caz
Email: cazara27@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005
Time: 04:59:44 PM
I'll be visiting the island again soon and I hear that you now have a dog obedience and agility club over there. I'd love to know more about it and perhaps have a look while I'm there. Can anyone give me any details please?
Thankyou.
Name: Alot of
Email: CatchingUp
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005
Time: 04:17:47 PM
I would simply like to state that I truely believe that the PARENTS have a lot to answer for these days. To begin with there is very very very little parent involvement in any sporting events, school concerts or other events that our young residents take part in anymore. I know for a fact that out of around 30 young junior netballers probaly the most parents seen supporting their youngsters last year was around 6. Intermediate netballers of approximately 25 young girls consisted of 1-2 parents. Pretty sad effort on the parents behalf considering Netball is one of the last remaining young weekend sports for our younger generations. When I was at School I was involved in Netball, Tennis, Basketball, Horse Riding, Squash, Athletics, Swimming - just to think of a few. I nearlly had to ban my parents from supporting me as I was getting to the point that it was becoming embarrassing. However, when I finished my event no matter whether I won or lost as long as I gave it my best I would look at Mum and Dad and feel over the moon from seeing the pride in their eyes and smiles on their faces! There are very few teenagers that get to experience what my parents gave me as they are too busy having time out and doing there own things than supporting their children who obviously crave their attention. As for going to the pub and seeing the 14year old girls who are dressed up like barbie want to be's on an all nighter looking for action - no I am not a jealous older woman I would never allow a daughter of mine to dare walk out of the house with little more than a belt covering her knickers and her barely developed breasts near pushed out of her top like alot of teens are allowed to this day and age. And NO it is NOT the fashion these days to dress like a tramp on heat. The strange thing is that most of them are actually allowed to go out?????? What is going on?? No matter we have so many problems these days.
Try harder - that means more than just seeing your kids after school and giving them dinner! Support them, love them, be involved with them and most of all guide them and be apart of their lives outside of home...... Sometimes it may not be what they want but they will appreciate it later in life when they look back and reflect.
Name: Genuinely interested...
Email: ...no_really_I_am_being_serious.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005
Time: 03:46:46 PM
Do you think it's possible to eat your own face?
Name: Kjel Buffett
Email: kjel@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005
Time: 10:12:16 AM
Disgusted resident, I don't think you should incite violence against another person, that makes you no better than how you are portraying any of the people you are refering to. I also take offence to your reference to the McCoys and their "hanger ons" if you are not willing to mention your own name then please do not mention others. One wonders what the young man had been doing? Must have been something pretty bad to get beaten up? I think another teen mentioned this in their submission "old enough to make decisions and pay the consequences" I dont condone any violence at all, but I also dont condone people inciting it against someone/s behind the guise of a computer. Let the police do their job and for everyone who has been knocking them, get an application form and you join up and do it that much better!!, these guys do an excellent job within our community and if they got the support of the community maybe we wouldnt have as much trouble as we do?????? And for your record "Disgusted resident" I am friends with the McCoys and do not have a problem with putting my name to this or my email. have a wonderful day yorley, Kjel David Buffett
Name: Livin in the 70's
Email: LEWENINHARMONY@PARADISE.NF
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 January 2005
Time: 11:07:31 PM
Wow! I was away when most of this was going on. Seems we need a good dose solid policing with suitable backup from the judiciary. I hate to say it, but remember the 70's when Greg was the only 'real' copper on the island? Yes, we had dope and it was smoked mainly in private, not in your face as it is today, but it was interesting how one good solid old fashioned, no nonsense cop could keep the 'bad' element fairly quiet. Sure, you either loved or hated Greg, but he sure had RESPECT on OUR Island. Justice should be simple and easy to administer, case in point, Davo the out of control teenager, spent time behind bars at Kingston and then went to Aussie for some 'rehabilitation'. That sure changed him! The best statement made in this forum of late was, HAVE RESPECT FOR THIS ISLAND AND ITS INHABITANTS, PARTICULARLY OUR ELDERS, BY SHOWING RESPECT IT WILL INFECT OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CULTURE WILL EARN THE RESPECT IT DESERVES!
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 January 2005
Time: 08:19:23 PM
Dear Marven, what an interesting submission. I read it three times before I sat and thought about a reply. Most of us do have some idea about being young simply because we have been there. However I agree with quite a bit about what you say and hope that there is some discussion on this forum about your comments. I really don't think that we older ones blame all the youth of Norfolk for some bad eggs as you are our future. I think that the magistrates have been far to lenient with people who offend regularly and I think the police have also been at fault by not nipping some of the carry on in the bud.
I also see where you are coming from re the "attitude" and "leadership comment. In fact I think your submission needs quite a bit of discussion. Unfortunately , paradise is never perfect but zero tolerance of bad , criminal or antisocial behaviour by you young sullen who do see the light may just go a long way to helping with the problem. Keep thinking.
Name: Rolf
Email: rolf@dotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 January 2005
Time: 06:24:23 PM
"We are old enough to make our own decisions and handle the consequences."
So um, stop whinging. Handle the consequences. I am also a teenager living on Norfolk Island, but seem to be one of the very few who can make their own decisions. I haven't touched "pot" or "drink", and my mind cannot comprehend the mindless stupidity behind the decisions made by the majority of the youth on the island.
Here's a little example.
----------------------------------------------------------- / * George - "Why do you drink alcohol Timmy?" \ / * Timmy - "Because it's what you do when you're young." \ / ----------------------------------------------------------
That is a true representation of a conversation I took part in with a "young person" on New Years Eve. Only the names have been changed to protect the identity of those involved.
I mean, come on.
Name: speed limit
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 January 2005
Time: 06:18:10 PM
It's about time the cops earn their keep..........
The likes of Jess Tierney, Wes Steven, Jamie Rvyes and others with their speeding skills is down right dangerous.
The speed limit is 50 boys. Slow down or watch out.
Your going to get done big time.
Name: Marvin the Marshen
Email: -
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 January 2005
Time: 04:32:13 PM
i am a teenager and lots of you adults have no idea... u think u do but u dont. You blame this whole drug business on the youth of the island, this drug issue isn't anything we haven't heard before, why should this generation of teens be blamed for a lifetime of drug use and bad behavior. Sure there may be a few of people who may constantly miss behave but this doesn't mean that there should be a black mark on all of the teens on Norfolk Island. We are old enough to make our own decisions and handle the consequences. You talk about these issues like u know how it feels to be the victim, when most of you just talk about it cause your bored with your own lives! Most of you have probably tried it at one stage anyway...how do you expect todays teens to behave respectively when their parents or adult friends are the ones setting the examples. ATTITUDE REFLECTS LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Disgusted Resident
Email: dg@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 January 2005
Time: 02:41:11 PM
Word has it that the brave man who belted up the 14 year old local boy, Kit Wilson, has been identified. What a brave man you must feel. Lets hope that the courts will identify you so that you may be exiled from our community.
Or better still maybe some of our disgusted loacl men may like to dish you up some similar treament.
It is amazing how this Mccoy family and its circle of "hanger ons" can continue to cause so much grief on Norfolk Island and get away with it.
C'mon local law enforcers do the right thing and get rid of this bad element of people from our community.
Name: cc ryder
Email: cc@bcc
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 16 January 2005
Time: 01:03:34 PM
good to hear constructive feedback from a TEP
foul-mouth crudity is a 'kultcha' IMPORT that we don't need
you potty-mouth youngsters obviously never had the benefit of the formidable Miss B*e. washing your mouths out with Lysol at NI Central School
Name: Concerned TEP
Email: Rathernot.nf
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 15 January 2005
Time: 05:10:09 PM
Goodonya Darlene. I'm sure this forum is, as you suggest, accessed by overseas media, potential visitors and other interested parties. I don't know that I would have come to live and work here if I had read some of the abusive rubbish that has been spouted on here. Perhaps some of the contributors missed the "Please make sure all entries are constructive and not Personal" request at the top of this page !! Yorle have a great little island home here but the few could ruin it for so many. Those that care have a responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen.
Name: Darlene Buffett
Email: @norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 January 2005
Time: 07:56:31 AM
Hey yorlye - we are burying another of our beautiful young people today who died at just 30 years of age. This is another sad day for Norfolk Island. We should really count our blessings especially after watching and hearing the news. There is a lot of bickering going on in this forum and believe it or not, this site is accessed by the media and the like all the time. It is also accessed by potential visitors to our island. What a great introduction this must be to them. Yes I admit - over time I too have contributed to this forum and at all times have signed my name but some of the entries on here are really shocking and in some cases sad. It is not the best place to hang out dirty washing or have a go at a person for the above reasons I mentioned. We cah wuthen dem o'er dare doen with all dee entries. This is a new year, so let's enjoy it and each other while we can as no doubt all the Tsunami victims wish they had their fellow country men and loved ones with them today. We have seen the following poem on here many times before, and it truly contains words of wisdom. All Ucklun leww gude from now on cos life too short.
GO PLACIDLY AMID THE NOISE AND THE HASTE, AND REMEMBER WHAT PEACE THERE MAY BE IN SILENCE. AS FAR AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT SURRENDER BE ON GOOD TERMS WITH ALL PERSONS. SPEAK YOUR TRUTH QUIETLY AND CLEARLY; AND LISTEN TO OTHERS, EVEN TO THE DULL AND THE IGNORANT, THEY TOO HAVE THEIR STORY. AVOID LOUD AND AGGRESSIVE PERSONS, THEY ARE VEXATIONS TO THE SPIRIT. IF YOU COMPARE YOURSELF WITH OTHERS, YOU MAY BECOME VAIN OR BITTER; FOR ALWAYS THERE WILL BE GREATER AND LESSER PERSONS THAN YOURSELF. ENJOY YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS AS WELL AS YOUR PLANS. KEEP INTERESTED IN YOUR OWN CAREER, HOWEVER HUMBLE; IT IS A REAL POSSESSION IN THE CHANGING FORTUNES OF TIME. EXERCISE CAUTION IN YOUR BUSINESS AFFAIRS, FOR THE WORLD IS FULL OF TRICKERY. BUT LET NOT THIS BLIND YOU TO WHAT VIRTUE THERE IS; MANY PERSONS STRIVE FOR HIGH IDEALS, AND EVERYWHERE LIFE IS FULL OF HEROISM. BE YOURSELF. ESPECIALLY DO NOT FEIGN AFFECTION. NEITHER BE CYNICAL ABOUT LOVE; FOR IN THE FACE OF ALL ARIDITY AND DISENCHANTMENT IT IS AS PERENNIAL AS THE GRASS. TAKE KINDLY THE COUNSEL OF THE YEARS, GRACEFULLY SURRENDERING THE THINGS OF YOUTH. NURTURE STRENGTH OF SPIRIT TO SHIELD YOU IN SUDDEN MISFORTUNE. BUT DO NOT DISTRESS YOURSELF WITH DARK IMAGININGS. MANY FEARS ARE BORN OF FATIGUE AND LONELINESS. BEYOND A WHOLESOME DISCIPLINE, BE GENTLE WITH YOURSELF. YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE UNIVERSE, NO LESS THAN THE TREES AND THE STARS; YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE. AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS CLEAR TO YOU, NO DOUBT THE UNIVERSE IS UNFOLDING AS IT SHOULD. THEREFORE, BE AT PEACE WITH GOD, WHATEVER YOU CONCEIVE HIM TO BE. AND WHATEVER YOUR LABORS AND ASPIRATIONS IN THE NOISY CONFUSION OF LIFE, KEEP PEACE IN YOUR SOUL. WITH ALL ITS SHAM, DRUDGERY AND BROKEN DREAMS; IT IS STILL A BEAUTIFUL WORLD. BE CHEERFUL. STRIVE TO BE HAPPY.
Name: Cah Beliewe Ett
Email: ornnorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 14 January 2005
Time: 07:28:18 AM
Well ......you don't know your butt from your brain mate! It just so happens there were people there when Larren lost his block [again] and it was them who gave a statement to the cops - so crawl back down into your WELL well and stay there! You are so THICK as S**T.
Name: Respect
Email: constructive@notpersonal
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 January 2005
Time: 12:41:00 AM
I'd love to know who all these people are saying "dont talk shit" and then talking out of their own assholes because they know their mouths full of shit too. the only people who can say what happened are the people that can say "i was there, i saw what happened"
Name: well
Email: obviously_you_dont_know_shit
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2005
Time: 10:44:32 PM
with the incident of Larren, he didnt put the young tourist boy in hospital that was just a simple misplace of the boys feet and fell over hitting his head on concrete and resulting in the boy being hospitalized, did you know what happened as the young tourist boy hit the deck Larren was the first one picking him back up, and apologizing and if that comes from a "half a brain" person than that would be the position i would prefer, rather than being seriuosly injured and no people around to help just leaving you there for dead.... and using the word "beaten up" implying on that the boy had been traumatised and beaten to a pulp it was more like getting scared the shit out of, it was hardly a beating, hell Larren es big salan and would have made alot worse damage to the kid if he had "beaten" him as to say, so obviously there are still more anonymous people out there who dont know shit and is trying tell it, dont beleive the first thing which you have been told... you living on Norfolk should know not to beleive "here say", "the long grape vine of Norfolk" ... so everybody get their facts straight before you submit your comments because otherwise you are wasting time on the net and there are people who dont like being talked about, when shit isnt true!!!
Name: dont know
Email: dude@hotmail.com
Country: Barbados
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2005
Time: 08:24:57 PM
well i am a concerned resident about the incident about larrin and that young tourist boy! the young boy didnt deserve to be put in that position, noone does! people make mistakes and if larrin had half a brain he would have realised that, that boy didnt mean to do wat he did....people come to this island hoping to have a good time and enjoy every moment over here, this island is special and thats way we need to keep it..people that come here want to be able to go back saying "wow i loved that place" and tell all their family and friends how wonderful this place is.....not go back and tell them that their child was beaten by a local..thats CRAP...having spent three days in hospital whilst on a weeks holiday is not on....i am sorry but larrin deserves alot..not just a slap across the wrist from an angry resident
Name: Who really knows
Email: because_i_know
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2005
Time: 03:55:22 PM
well for the incident which happened people really need to know the actual reasons and facts behind the actoins of these three persons, before they can really say anything worthwhile to read and for all of these entries so far i find a complete load of bullshit. from what i know they only wanted drugs for themselves not to sell to other younger generations... so whoever wrote that needs their hands chopped off so they cant write anymore shit... as for the victims, they may have been dealing but how do you know that they were selling them to kids, just cuz they have it doesnt mean they were selling to kids. hell i have weed in my car, that doesnt mean that i sell it to "kids", the victims in the incident which all of them i know are good mates and they have a families, so whoever is writing all the bad thing about these persons are lucky that this forum is anonymous... get some real balls and tell us who you are before you bad mouth anybody
whom ever wrote the comments on Larren Nobbs needs their "arse kicked" do you know what happened b-cuz i do, it shows what happened when people are smart arses to older bigger people such as Larren if it was me i would have done the same thing, and your version is wrong so thats a big get f***ed from me and probably Larren too.
Name: Inspector
Email: inspector.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2005
Time: 12:23:31 PM
In the Know - Thank You! you hit the nail right on the head with your comment about CULTURE & RESPECT.
Bob - I have to say I disagree about the youth home on holidays. What about the rest of the eyar when they are away at school? We need a sniffer dog at all air and sea craft and no matter what the cost. A sniffer dog would be the way to go to stop all import of drugs to this island.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2005
Time: 11:31:48 AM
The comment about drugs being part of our culture is downright stupid and as for the get off "MY" Island comment , you have no idea of our culture if you don't understand the phrase "OUR" Island. Get the chip off your shoulder and wake up to reality. And furthermore have some respect for your elders. If Norfolk was left to the likes of you then it would be right down the gurgler.
Name: bob
Email: bob
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2005
Time: 10:38:21 AM
You want to know where the drugs are at, try some of our youth that are back for holidays say, 1 month or so. Pills loaded up with special K, That's a horse sedative, and somewhat dangerous, it didn't come from a DJ.
Blame is so easy to lay, never let the truth get in the way of a good story yorle
Name: ben
Email: hello@hello.com
Country: Sao Tome and Principe
Date: Wednesday, 12 January 2005
Time: 11:59:58 AM
stop ya bitchin life goes on people
Name: Respect
Email: constructive@not.personal
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 January 2005
Time: 11:46:33 AM
Larins behaviour should not be turned into a generalisation of all norfolk teenagers. Sure a lot of them smoke pot and yes it is a problem but it has been a part of norfolk culture for many, many years. Those teenage locals that intend to stay imployed on the island and raise their own children on the island are not going to be affected by their habits because it has become a way of life. Those who decide to take their lives further on the mainland, will have a rude shock. However who is to say that they aren't strong enough to give up their addiction? And who is to say that it isn't just a phase which they will find their way out of once they want to do more with their life. You have to admit that there isn't a huge emphasis on the youth acheiving, and completing school for that matter, so what is the problem with them smoking a bit of the wacky dacky? That said, i think a lot of you are forgetting Larins age, and the fact that he is no longer classified a teenager but could have difficulty to be adult. He is at a legal age to be accessing alcohol and even though a lot of the younger teens also drink, I can assure you it's not in the amounts that Larin does. And as we are all aware, it is the older generations who are batteling the alcholism - so why the stab at youth? To understand and hook up the stereos that kids are driving around with today is quite a complex and intelligent thing, they should be congratulatd for having such interest and knowledge, and obviously spending a lot of time on something they are passionate about. Hobbies may have changed from your days of model aeroplanes, but it is still a hobbie which is keeping them out of trouble and as long as they have respect whilst driving through town and residential areas, everyone will be happy. Stop criticising the generation your not, whether its jealousy or dissapointment, bitching over an anonymous internet forum will not change behaviours or attitudes. If you really passionately believe something more needs to be done, take it more seriously yourself. And use better techniques than "get the f*** off my island"
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 11 January 2005
Time: 07:38:11 PM
We have had a bad problem with drugs for years and I don't mean just wacky weed either. Considering our isolation and availability of entry points, makes you think doesn't it. Drugs and violence are not new, unfortunately both getting worse.
Name: Battler
Email: battler.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 11 January 2005
Time: 03:07:26 PM
Santa Clause I take your point on board but maybe you should be looking elsewhere for the answer to that. Maybe a little closer to home perhaps. Because if you think that everything came from these 3 so called stooges your absolutely incorrect. Did you happen to have a look around over the holiday break and see how many people were using from all walks of life on this island. I did and it opened my eyes.
Name: Santa's Clause
Email: north@pole.com
Country: Afghanistan
Date: Tuesday, 11 January 2005
Time: 09:48:31 AM
Battler, a shot gun to the head ironicly is not much different to selling hard drugs to kids. Kids went up the hospital after recieving from the three stooges... If they weren't dealing, this wouldn't of happened!!!! Wake up and smell the roses sweety!!
Name: Inspector
Email: inspect.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 11 January 2005
Time: 08:24:27 AM
Well the way I see this whole case is this:- Kick Marty's butt out of here back to where he comes from and all of his supporters as well. Then - literally throw McCoy, Keeping and Forsyth in jail and throw the keys away. We don't need this type of SCUM on our island ruining everything for us all. It takes just a handful to spoil it all, and I can think of and name 15 guys who are just BAD EGGS and without them, this island would be perfect.....again. How sad for us the way we are going and what a shame. Let's hope after today’s court hearing we have magistrates with enough "down below" to say off you go guys - we have had enough....but going by past incidences, it will be a feather slap on the wrist. Maybe it is about time we look at getting new Magistrates who are not afraid to call the shots?????????? Food for thought. Well done to all the previous submissions similar to my one. I agree – us Norfolk Islanders are FED UP of how some of the ignoramuses are carrying on here. How sad for them taking SO LONG to GROW UP and yes as public servants Keeping & McCoy should be sacked. Why should my family and I contribute to criminals wages?
Name: greymare
Email: past-it@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 January 2005
Time: 09:55:21 PM
I read the forum for the first time tonight. Wow, I have been missing out. About the incident everyone is talking about One of the best stories I heard was of a young guy bragging about how much he had stolen, when shops and houses were being broken into every week. An older guy at his local pub took him outside and gave him a flogging for his trouble. This incident seems very much along the same lines, too violent and too stupid but hopefully it has prevented this lot of drugs being sold to young patrons in Marty's discos. I'm not an islander but I love this place.
Name: Battler
Email: santaclause@noidea.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 January 2005
Time: 06:22:39 PM
Hey Santa Clause, whatever happened to your brain. Those so called men let off a shotgun in another persons house after they put the gun in a girls face and beat Marty around the head with it. I think you need to stop carrying your balls in a wheelbarrow and start thinking with your head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Santa's Clause
Email: north@pole.com
Country: Afghanistan
Date: Monday, 10 January 2005
Time: 10:08:46 AM
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? It seems everyone has something to say but without knowing the full story. It seems Martin the plumber, Doug Shea and Larren thought they could make some easy cash playing the big boys games (illegal) but when the shit hits the fan, they run like dogs to the cops who they have been taking the piss. If dealing was soooo easy and profitable, wouldn't everyone be doing it?? These three guys need to have a good look in their crutch and find the balls they thought they had!!
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 09 January 2005
Time: 08:30:34 PM
Could I suggest that instead of taking the law into our own hands,there's the vigilante thought again, we pressure the governing bodies like Assembly and our court system including our Magistrates who have to take some of the flack for these people getting out of hand. kids getting away with things have turned into adults getting away without punishment. Force the issue legally for legislation and backup. I hate what is happening to our home. Time to clean up our own backyards and take a stand but one within the law.
Name:
Email: concerned@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 09 January 2005
Time: 03:30:31 PM
I think Kahn should be given credit where it is due, it would of taken courage to of taken the gun to the coppa's and tell them the whole story. As for Oot and Sam....put them in jail where they belong, this isn't their first offence and it definately will not be there last if the proper action isn't taken. There was yet another assault on the weekend to Kit Wilson - a 14yr old.........What the hell is Norfolk coming too, its about time we took some action against violent individuals and show them Norfolk is not the place for them.
Name: whatever
Email: norfolkrules@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 09 January 2005
Time: 01:42:42 PM
If only I could zap beautiful Norfolk Island back 20yrs. If only.The only thing that hasn't changed is the McCoy boys going about using there so called muscle and firearms to bully people. Oot you used to be one of the nice ones. Kahn why follow in the others footsteps and well, Sam Keeping - say no more.Are you getting off on blackening Norfolk's name even more. Come to the mainland and see how far you will get. Lock em up and throw away the key. You are so right ggggg, they are bad eggs and should be dealt with accordingling. Sam what next for you. You must have liked jail. Hope you go away for a long time. Why dont you all get some anger management and get off the drugs.You cant handle them. Im not adding my name because of the repercussions to my family still there and we all know The McCoy's just love revenge. How sad for Norfolk that you are all locals.
Name: In the Know
Email: hovering.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 08 January 2005
Time: 08:45:30 PM
Congratulations gggggg about time heads were pulled out of the sand. Haven't we had enough tragedy in our lives as a community lately without this latest stunt. I agree with you, "little cherubs" pulling so called pranks which are really criminal acts and hypocritic vigilante behavour does nothing for our Home. I have watched things get out of hand for a long while and shake my head in disbelief when I hear the excuses made and taps on the wrist given out. Time we all grew up and took a zero tolerance attitude to crime. Doesn't mean we don't love our own, just means we won't accept bad doings.
Name: ggggggg
Email: ggggg.gg
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 08 January 2005
Time: 12:43:39 PM
En Wah - Sorry I don't agree. The three idiots are right into the stuff themselves and were probably after it to sell to the kids themselves. Remember one of the dorks has already spent time in prison for trafficking. Everyone knows about that. Now let's be grown up and honest about this. Like mentioned on here before - NO ONE has the right to take the law into their own hands, enter a persons property with a firearm and be outright arseholes as these three are. They are a bad bunch. If the victim who is a TEP is dealing - then he should be shipped back to where he comes from.
Ai Nor Larnen - I don't have the chip or am a low life person pal, I am one of the many born and bred Norfolk Islanders who is fed up of all the crap that goes on here which is caused by just a handful of drongos. The upshot is - a great deal of those who are in the "rutt" need to get off this island and live in the real world as a great dela of us islanders have done over the years. A lot of the stupidity that goes on here would not be tolerated on the mainland and although yorlye cah see ett - it is stuffing up our bread and butter which is TOURISM. And actually yes - me and all of mine have been young - but we weren't stupid, ignorant or destructive and at least WE HAD RESPECT for our home NORFOLK ISLAND. We didn't need booze or drugs to get us through the days. We didn't have loud music in our cars and did burnouts either. WE HAD RESPECT. We visited friends and family. We didn't watch videos all day or played "boom boom" music ....why??? because WE HAD RESPECT and a great deal of yorlye young ones now don't have any respect at all and in fact probably don't know the meaning of the word.
Name: Ai nor lanen
Email: whatever
Country: Bassas_Da_India
Date: Saturday, 08 January 2005
Time: 11:00:45 AM
As for GGGGGGGGG it sounds like you have a massive chip on your shoulder,you are obviuosly very low-lifed.....And to talk about people like that and not sign your own name you must be a pretty gutless person ah? Have you heard the other side to this story or just norfolk's side? And no alot of people do NOT hope he gets a big kick up the arse, probaly just you and others who have heard one side to the story or don't know what he is really like.He's a nice boy and doesn't come across violent in any way. What are you perfect? well i can tell you something what you might want to improve on and that's your attitude towards people.. Oh and it sounds like you need to get off the Island and go do something with your life instead of putting people down mate!
I'm not going to sign my name because i have made my statement and i'm NOT low lifed
Name: Enwah
Email: enwah
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 08 January 2005
Time: 09:30:18 AM
Dealing drugs is a risky business. Selling to kids is down right ridiculous. In the secret society we're living in, the 3 guys took the law in their own hands, to scare Martin Rosegrove and his offsiders and hopefully keep the stuff out of reach of children. Martin is lucky he only got away with a scratch. If he had sold it to any of my kids, ......
Name: rw74
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 10:20:51 PM
Even though there may be 2 sides to the story, do people think that it is alright to threaten another person in their own home with a gun? So the victim might be guilty of something, but did the other 3 have the right to intrude in this manner.
My question is: are the 3 BOYS going to get off with a good behaviour bond and a fine if they are found guilty or are they going to get punished accordingly. OR are our courts going to let them go with a mediocre punishment. If this is the case why Don't they just put an advert in the paper saying that people can use extreme violence whenever they feel like it and get away with it. Why do they think that they are getting the same people going through their court all they time. "Hey why not re-affend if the punishment does not fit the crime."
Name: pacific
Email: ocean
Country: Reunion
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 08:33:40 PM
ggggggg. THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY. Be careful in what you write as it could just come around and bite you on the arse.
Name: ggggggg
Email: ggggg.gg
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 06:59:08 PM
hihohihohiho i mean larren nobbs. thanks to him we have a young visitor in hospital. you obvioulsy haven't heard about his pathetic outburst. as for larren robinson - hopefully he will piss off back to where he has just come from as well. like the others on here..........he cah do enn we nor wunt hem.
Name: hihohihohiho
Email: hihohihohiho
Country: Afghanistan
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 04:53:22 PM
I think gggggggg means Larren Robinson
Name: GGGGGGG
Email: ggggg.g
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 03:48:02 PM
and what about the "little pussy" larren nobbs??? he too should get a kick up the backside. he is another one who has a massive chip on his shoulder and needs to get a life and get out in the real world. you too ess disgrace fer wuthen you do larren and heaps of us hope your butt gets a bug kick. you too are as low as the other three mentioned in this forum.
Name: Ess True
Email: ess.true
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 03:22:18 PM
What Next - Well done on your submission. You have hit the nail on the head. For me - I cannot believe there are SOME who are more or less covering up for the atrocious acts of Mark McCoy, Khan Forsyth & Sam Keeping. Perhaps if they are named as I have done - people might take a different view. DEM ESS PATHETIC fer wuthen dem do enn dem should get one bigg kick up dems uss.
Name: What Next
Email: what@next
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 02:42:12 PM
Right or Wrong, Personality Clashes, Difference of Opinions, Predicaments, and so on and so forth - does not JUSTIFY what those 3 DICKHEADS did and with a bit of luck they will go for a HUGE skate. They and heaps more need a "wake up" call as all ucklun are getting sick of them. Dem ess nasty, evil and bad people and they are giving this beautiful place a real bad name. Chuck them in gaol and throw the keys away is the best thing for them.
Name: Right and Wrong
Email: Right@Wrong
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 01:46:20 PM
What does two wrongs equal??
Peace and Harmony??
Don't think so
Name: test
Email: test.test
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 10:51:10 AM
test
Name: Car whar
Email: car.whar
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 January 2005
Time: 10:46:05 AM
Re- the last few entries There is always two sides to every story. I'm not condoning what is alleged to have happened, but one has got to wonder why the victim has got into this predicament? Sound to me like he has been up to a bit of no good himself. Maybe they should look a bit closer into what he and his mates have been up to of late!
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 06 January 2005
Time: 03:24:03 PM
re just wondering, no use: can anybody enlighten others as to what this incident was, for those of us who haven't heard? many thanks in advance
Name: No Use
Email: foot.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 06 January 2005
Time: 12:01:47 PM
Just Wondering........you should know by now that as per usual practice - nothing will be done and of course when you look at those involved in the outrageous act - do not be surprised. ALL of them have been "bad eggs" from day one. You hit the nail on the head when you said DEM CAH DO.
Name: Just Wondering
Email: wonder.nf
Country: Oceans
Date: Wednesday, 05 January 2005
Time: 08:36:34 AM
I am just wondering how the incident that occurreed last weekend will be dealt with. Do we have a Government strong enough to say enough is enough and have the guts to ensure the two public servants are dismissed from their positions. What happened is a real disgrace to the 3 idiots, their families and the entire Norfolk Island community. What are we coming to here on this beautiful island which is being ruined by the likes of those dipsticks. Happy New Year to all Ucklun and may God keep us all safe. And to the three idiots - Grow Up, Act your Ages and get a life. Yorlye cah do enn should hang yu's heads in shame! [if you have any]
Name: Ucklun
Email: ornnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 03 January 2005
Time: 06:54:27 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO OUR LINDEN, VIRGINIA FRIENDS PAUL & MONICA! THANKS FOR US THROUGHOUT 2004. HAVE A GREAT 2005 :) LOVE, HUGS, PRAYERS AND SMILES FROM YOUR NORFOLK ISLAND FRIENDS. PS - WE WILL WRITE SOON :)
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 02 January 2005
Time: 03:30:54 PM
Happy New Year to our Norfolk Island friends...
We would die for you!
Paul & Monica
Name: test
Email: test
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 April 2005
Time: 09:17:34 PM
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