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Name: TRAVEL WARNING!!!!!!
Email: vansrus@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 18 September 2006
Time: 08:00:56 PM
when you arrive at norfolk you will be asked to fill out a n arrivel form prior to landing.......the advice on this form is that it is prohibited to import anything that can be used as a dwelling ie.caravans!!! please be aware of this as the local government is scraatching for cash at the moment, so they may start to enforce this legislation!!! DO NOT EXCEED YOUR BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE BY TRYING TO SNEAK IN THE ODD CARAVAN OR TWO!!! or if you really cant help yourself ,make them very small and lightweight , prefferably built from materialy that will avoid x-ray detection. We would rather you spend your hard earned tourist dollar on the beautiful norfolk experience instead....take care!!!!
Name: heppy
Email: n@i
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 18 September 2006
Time: 11:55:02 AM
No there not, but All I can say is that WE are not going to get out of the shit if we all had your negative, regressive attitude. How about you give credit where credit is due and thank the gov for stabilising air services with a fantastic ozjet team, as well as imnplementing a fairer progressive taxation system which allows all the unfair ad hox taxes to be scrapped. Thank them for cutting costs within Admin, which admittedly could be further cut. Thank them for engaging in construcvtive dialougue with Aust on Our terms and not just Aust terms. Tourism numbers are improving so please be a little more positive even though there is a while to go yet. Just remember that we are all in it together, unless you arent one a " Ucklun and just a pest. I"m not saying that the gov are perfect, but do deserve some credit
Name: heppy
Email: n@i
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 18 September 2006
Time: 11:54:51 AM
No there not, but All I can say is that WE are not going to get out of the shit if we all had your negative, regressive attitude. How about you give credit where credit is due and thank the gov for stabilising air services with a fantastic ozjet team, as well as imnplementing a fairer progressive taxation system which allows all the unfair ad hox taxes to be scrapped. Thank them for cutting costs within Admin, which admittedly could be further cut. Thank them for engaging in construcvtive dialougue with Aust on Our terms and not just Aust terms. Tourism numbers are improving so please be a little more positive even though there is a while to go yet. Just remember that we are all in it together, unless you arent one a " Ucklun and just a pest. I"m not saying that the gov are perfect, but do deserve some credit
Name: Wayne
Email: somewhere@optusnet
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 18 September 2006
Time: 09:46:28 AM
Hey Get a Grip,........are they hitting a bit close to home???
Name: Get a grip
Email: d@W
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 18 September 2006
Time: 07:02:09 AM
Could the previous forum contributers please get a grip and see who really are the ignorant ones
Name: Karen
Email: @Syd
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 17 September 2006
Time: 07:27:11 PM
Grayeme has a beautiful photo of some old Norfolk Islanders on his website www.grayemespot.com
Name: SINKING ISLAND
Email: sinkingfast.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 17 September 2006
Time: 01:42:01 PM
WELL SAID LAST POST. YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. THE 9 HEAD HUNTERS IN THE NIG COULDN'T ORGANISE PROSTITUTES IN A BROTHEL OR A ARRANGE A BUN FIGHT IN A BAKERY. IT IS RATHER SAD TO THINK HOW BLOODY IGNORANT SOME OF THEM ARE THOSE THAT CAN'T EVEN STRING A DECENT SENTENCE TOGETHER TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. YES, GOD HELP US AND NORFOLK AS THEY TAKE US DOWN THE ROAD TO TOTAL DESTRUCTION. JUST SEE HOW MANY OF OUR PEOPLE ARE LEAVING OR HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF THEIR YEARS OF SELF INTERESTS AND ISLAND RIP-OFFS. THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME...........IF YOU HAVE ANY.
Name: shit for brains
Email: aaaaaaaaaa
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 16 September 2006
Time: 11:52:06 AM
also this forum displays an error now when you try to post,it has put a lot of people off.
Name: last post
Email: seeyalaternorfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 16 September 2006
Time: 11:49:49 AM
everone on norfolk is too busy, with spinning heads, as the government here forces us down their OWN path of bankrupcy with the RECENT introduction of their BLOODY STUPID N.S.L. TAX...(fancy name for G.S.T)....watch norfolk quickly whither and die now !!!!!! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A SOCIETY WONT STAND UP TO THEIR OWN CORRUPT OVERPOWERING WARLORDS...........R.I.P.
Name: Craig M
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 14 September 2006
Time: 11:00:51 PM
Hi guys isn't there anything going on in your neck of the woods worth debating?? Seems like all those who had something interesting to discuss on this forum have exited for good. Shame to those who forced them to go away because of comments made.
Name: proud
Email: proud@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 10 September 2006
Time: 07:29:54 AM
On a happier note, congrats to all the girls who have just completed their training here for Ozjet. I am sure you will all be good ambassadors for Norfolk Island and we are all very proud of you. It is wonderful to see such a lovely lot of girls working towards the good of Norfolk. You all looked lovely on Friday night and the Ozjet team who were here had such a great time with you all. Good luck and fly high and do well.
Name: proud
Email: proud@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 10 September 2006
Time: 07:29:36 AM
On a happier note, congrats to all the girls who have just completed their training here for Ozjet. I am sure you will all be good ambassadors for Norfolk Island and we are all very proud of you. It is wonderful to see such a lovely lot of girls working towards the good of Norfolk. You all looked lovely on Friday night and the Ozjet team who were here had such a great time with you all. Good luck and fly high and do well.
Name: Sick & Tired
Email: same_old_crap.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 08 September 2006
Time: 01:43:31 PM
Geoff - let go mate, Que Sera Sera. It is us living here and we want what is best for Norfolk and unless you are here, there is no way you can justifiably say we don't need any help. Blind Freddy can see dem [NIG] se bugger ucklun up. So personals aside - move on and leave us be.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 08 September 2006
Time: 12:20:05 PM
My personal life and where I live and why I live here are none of your or anybody elses business, suffice to say these things are not as simple as one would like them to be. If you think this is a basis for discrediting my views then you should think again. Stop getting personal - stick with the issues! Perhaps you could answer for me a question. Looking at the bigger picture what is in it for Canberra if they gain political and day to day control of Norfolk Island?
Name: janice
Email: janice.raycroft@btinternet.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 06 September 2006
Time: 08:57:48 PM
Dear Who Cares Errrr... I have a life - more than I need most of the time. So I only get to the forum every now and again. Know any good jokes (please.... not me or other forum visitors!)??
Name: Karen
Email: @Syd
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 06 September 2006
Time: 08:01:53 PM
I also would like to ask Norlarnen something very simple. Why don't you live on Norfolk Island now. You have stated in your recent post that you know Norfolk Island needs Australia's help and you are happy to take the handouts, but you always refer to Canberra like it is a parasite wanting to grab control of Norfolk Island. You go on about NIG not being involved in discussions and we all know that was brought on by Norfolk Island Governments Pig Headed attitutude until the changes recently. I think your attitude to Australia which has extended the helping hand is what offended Grayeme most. It now appears a lot of the good people that posted here have also had enough and that is very sad. PS. Grayeme has a wonderful ackowledgement to the Crocodile Hunter and links to Tributes on his website.
Name: Wake Up
Email: wakeup.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 September 2006
Time: 04:06:46 PM
I feel the need to say what has been on my mind for a long time. It is without malice and and not intended in any way to insult ANYONE. Norlarnen , you keep saying Norfolk and her people are unique. Australia is unique as are the federated states and territories. Every country in the world is special to the people born to that country. If a Norfolk Island born person moves off Island it doesn't change anything because being born to a country is , when it is all said and done only special to that person. I am an Aussie and and am very proud of my heritage but I understand that it is only important to me and as beautiful as Norfolk and her people are to me, it is another external territory of Australia with governance problems which for the health and survival of a beautiful wonderous place needs help. It is Canberra's responsibility to care for Norfolk and puffing ones self up with self importance and then sticking your head in the sand is doing Norfolk and her people a great dis-service. Why do you think so many of her people have left ? They have noticed problems snowballing for many years. ON A BRIGHTER NOTE ..... I URGE EVERYONE TO GO TO FOR A HOLIDAY, IT IS JUST BEAUTIFUL AND THERE IS JUST SO MUCH TO DO. GOVT. PROBLEMS ARE NOT A WORRY FOR THE TOURIST.. GO ... ENJOY AND TRLL EVERYONE HOW GOOD IT IS.
Name: who cares?
Email: notsobloodyserious@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 06 September 2006
Time: 08:32:04 AM
TOO MANY PEOPLE USE THIS FORUM AS A REPLACEMENT FOR A LIFE ! GET OVER IT, MOVE ON, LIFE IS SHORT !
Name: Janice
Email: janice.raycroft@btinternet.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 06 September 2006
Time: 05:32:17 AM
How sad that everyone seems to be falling out. Is there no way this squabble across the oceans can just STOP – at least the personal stuff – and just get back to healthy debate? Even if some people will never completely agree on the way forward for Norfolk. I am one of the people who 'cyber visit' Norfolk Island via the pictures and stories on various websites, including this forum. It's like a little holiday when life is a bit tough, or the weather rubbish in the UK. I'd really like to be able to get over in person. There's no family 'connection' for me unless it's one I don't know, simply that Norfolk Island people have said some chirpy things here to me, so I've always felt at home as a visitor. I sympathised with the distress during recent incidents which brought the wrong type of international focus - they certainly wouldn't stop me visiting. Yesterday evening when I was working in London a man was stabbed just outside our locked glass door. We have to have two sets of alarmed security doors, just for a normal office. There's no cash here or anything valuable, it's just the way things are because the building is on a main road where there have been a lot of incidents. Four of us saw the knife come out and then the stabbing just feet away. The knifeman jumped on the bonnet and then roof of my car as he tried to catch the other one – who seemed happy to fight despite being stabbed in the leg. The police came but the attacker had already run away ( actually he sort of strutted off, looking through the window at us lot), and so did the victim, so he probably wasn't badly injured. Anyway, surely we don't need vicious attacks in this forum. I can't see why Grayeme is spam . Disagree with Damn Yank but please don't treat him as an invader. I hope everything settles down, people get their heads back on the right way, and start talking instead of squawking!
Name: Janice
Email: janice.raycroft@btinternet.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 06 September 2006
Time: 05:32:05 AM
How sad that everyone seems to be falling out. Is there no way this squabble across the oceans can just STOP – at least the personal stuff – and just get back to healthy debate? Even if some people will never completely agree on the way forward for Norfolk. I am one of the people who 'cyber visit' Norfolk Island via the pictures and stories on various websites, including this forum. It's like a little holiday when life is a bit tough, or the weather rubbish in the UK. I'd really like to be able to get over in person. There's no family 'connection' for me unless it's one I don't know, simply that Norfolk Island people have said some chirpy things here to me, so I've always felt at home as a visitor. I sympathised with the distress during recent incidents which brought the wrong type of international focus - they certainly wouldn't stop me visiting. Yesterday evening when I was working in London a man was stabbed just outside our locked glass door. We have to have two sets of alarmed security doors, just for a normal office. There's no cash here or anything valuable, it's just the way things are because the building is on a main road where there have been a lot of incidents. Four of us saw the knife come out and then the stabbing just feet away. The knifeman jumped on the bonnet and then roof of my car as he tried to catch the other one – who seemed happy to fight despite being stabbed in the leg. The police came but the attacker had already run away ( actually he sort of strutted off, looking through the window at us lot), and so did the victim, so he probably wasn't badly injured. Anyway, surely we don't need vicious attacks in this forum. I can't see why Grayeme is spam . Disagree with Damn Yank but please don't treat him as an invader. I hope everything settles down, people get their heads back on the right way, and start talking instead of squawking!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 05 September 2006
Time: 03:25:49 PM
We do not know what to say... We have recieved many personal e-mails from alleged "Islanders" / "Connectees" to Norfolk Island since our last posting. We also remain defensive as this free-world forum continues to find so many ways to hate us./// Yes, I was a soldier in the U.S. Army during Gulf War I (1988-1994) and I am not sorry for ANYTHING that I did during those years... Monica waited for me the entire time I was away. She is the love of my life for standing by me during those years and I am NOT sorry for ANYHING else.../// So shall we ever be able to shrug such NI Forum insults as being catagorized as nothing greater than "spam" or will we EVER obtain the chance to ask questions concerning Norfolk Island and not be treated as if we were George W. Bush or Tony Blair under interrogation?/// Damn we want to learn, but spend too much time defending ourselves.../// Later, Paul en Monica
Name: Wake Up
Email: wakeup.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 05 September 2006
Time: 10:46:29 AM
Paul and Monica, aka Damn Yank, my comment re "connection" was not against you in any way. My posting was to show that there was life on Norfolk before 1856 and because of that, there is huge interest and hopefully you will one day visit your good friends there please check out the convict buildings and grave yard. It is fascinating. My "connection" is no more or less than yours. I swing between this forum and Grayeme's wonderful site. Free speech is the go and you are entitled to your opinion always. On other matters, still waiting to hear about the plan Norlarnen has for Norfolk. If you go to the bank for a loan, you don't get to dictate the terms. I think the failure to come to the table in the first place by NIG was a big mistake. Time to lay your solution on the table to back up your comments. Old saying.."A closed mind is a dangerous one"
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 September 2006
Time: 03:16:48 AM
There is only one solution - negotiation with Canberra for financial support. They are already offering this, but on their terms, which is one size fits all, pay taxes and receive benefits. Why should Norfolk be any different? Because we are! As I posted recently - there has been no room to do anything but rail against Canberra’s announced intentions of 20th February because they were telling us how it would be. Now they are allowing us to the negotiating table - WHY? Because they have to recognise our claim! We need to establish our position in the relationship as equals before we commence to negotiate. Our rights to Norfolk Island and her governance are legally enshrined in the Norfolk Island Act and have been a reality since 1979. For the vast majority of those 27 years we have been successful and solvent. We should be building on our past successes, trying to maintain our unique style of independence and evolving with the changes, not reverting back to rule from Canberra who is falsely selling these 27years as a failed experiment so they can reach their goals with regional security and sovereignty. The crux of the problem is that we simply have a too small a population base to support a modern economy and the infrastructure that people nowadays expect. Could better tourist numbers fix it? Maybe, they did in the past. Can we get more tourists back? Maybe, will they spend more money? One business owner who started in the 60's says he doubts it would help because the margins and business just aren't there anymore. Yes there are other issues such as mismanagement of resources, too many bed/business licenses given out in the past, a change in the tourist demographics, the murders, and corruption etc - nothing that doesn't also afflict Australian politics. But the bigger problem is that we simply can not raise the revenue required. This is a fact of life for many islands in the Pacific and small communities everywhere. For moving forward, at the very least we need to be fully involved and in agreement with the deacons made. Canberra, either way is going to be pouring a lot more money into Norfolk than she is going to take out in taxes, if they follow through with their promises of upgraded medical care and social services, infrastructure etc. We should know the numbers for this, it would be very interesting to know what this is all worth to Canberra, but I will bet it is not a faction of Norfolk's real worth to her.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 05 September 2006
Time: 02:07:28 AM
Those who are running out of here blaming everyone for their woes are pathetic in the least. Have the conviction to stand by your beliefs through thick and thin, not spit out your dummies when things get a little rough. I have certainly copped a few personal insults in here but so what. Water off a ducks back if you look at what is at stake. But then, perhaps you fellows don't have so much to lose? I care a great deal about Norfolk and won't let the buggers get at me. Grayeme, you have had much to contribute and though I don't agree with pretty much any of your views I am dissappointed at your departing. If it is due to my posts then I suggest you scroll down and see that you gave as good as you got. DY, same goes for you. All I really care about is Norfolk. Many in here are so narrow minded as to believe that means I am for maintaining the status quo - I have said many times before that I am not, it is obvious that we need change. But why should it not be change that we can see is best for Norfolk and not what is best for Canberra. There are a whole plethora of options between where we are now and becoming a local council of Canberra. How much we give away is also up to us. To the locals who post and discredit me and others for being off shore, have something more substantial to add to the debate than the age old, "dem nor lewen orn Norfolk"
Name: shiralee
Email: none
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 09:13:06 PM
I love Norfolk Island. It is a very special place. I sincerely hope that the Assembly can continue to keep the Island self governed. Try everything possible. Once you lose your unique state of independence you will never get it back. Appreciate what you have and try to keep it. Keep love in your hearts. Just had to say this, sorry. Not a very good site for prospective tourists!
Name: shiralee
Email: none
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 09:12:23 PM
I love Norfolk Island. It is a very special place. I sincerely hope that the Assembly can continue to keep the Island self governed. Try everything possible. Once you lose your unique state of independence you will never get it back. Appreciate what you have and try to keep it. Keep love in your hearts. Just had to say this, sorry. Not a very good site for prospective tourists!
Name: You Know Who We Are
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 08:37:12 PM
Paul, Monica & Grayeme....please do not let the minority deter you from this forum. It is here for anyone to submit debate. The sad case is, although 99.9% are under false aliases, none of the 99.9% actually live on this island let alone know what is really going on here. Those of us here who know you lovely folk, value our personal friendships with you all and thank you for the positives you have submitted on here, and under your name. What really concerns us and has done for sometime is that we are losing potential visitors to our island through idiotic comments on this forum. I have said it before and will say it again - not all Norfolk Islanders feel the same way about Australia coming in as a vast majority on here feels - and we LIVE here!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 07:55:53 PM
We see that we have blown it again as we neglected to include those who share "connections" to Norfolk Island prior to 1856./// We give up! We have no "connections" to Norfolk Island other than my being the distant cousin of Ensign Abel William Dotten Best of the Norfolk Penal Colony./// What more can a couple of damn yanks interested in Norfolk Island do other than sit down and shut up in an environment like this?/// We have many links that we could provide concerning American forums that sport American interests where non-Americans like Norlarnen Quisling types would be abused for their contributions as we were abused here, but we will not post them. We remain fish out of water here and that is all we will ever be as long as we come here./// Grayeme has legitimate links here...much moreso than us and we were saddened to witness his departure. We only feel it appropriate that we join him in solidarity by leaving you be. We come from a culture so far away on the other side of the planet that has nothing to do with Norfolk Island, but we did go out of our way to try and understand...it appears that we failed. We must now distance ourselves from this forum that sports such hatred of our being. With that said, we will not post here any longer and all of you can now sigh the relief that we are finally gone. :) /// The forum is ALL YOURS, Norlarnen! You had better remain in that third-world country of yours and continue to distance yourself from those war-mongering yanks by all accounts as Quisling distanced himself from the WWII allies (UK, USA, France, etc.) out of fear of of the fascists!/// "Food for Thought"...thank you...you are beautiful/// Paul en Monica http://www.margaritaville.com
Name: Wake Up
Email: wakeup.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 05:35:07 PM
Well said "Food for thought" What is your grand plan Norlarnen ? Surely there is one, or maybe not. It's a bit lie two people who say, "Lets open a restaurant" First person says to second person"Do you know anything about food?" Second person says "Hell No" First person says "Neither do I" Get my drift. So all those people out there who damn what the Aust. Gov. is doing, WHERE IS YOUR PLAN B .....give your plan to pull Norfolk out of the mire
Name: Food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 03:13:04 PM
I can't believe how nazy some of yorley are! There's no need for that. Isn't that what a forum is all about is to express one's opinions?! Simply because you don't necessarily agree with Graeme or Damn Yanks opinions, doesn't mean you personally attack them! If they were having a go at you and personally put you down, then it might be a different story. But for goodness sake, start growing up and writing CONSTRUCTIVE criticism rather than destructive criticism. I hope the previous posts don't stop Damn Yank and Graeme from coming back to this forum. From what I know, Graeme has provided some useful information about Norfolk and the government. Why does Norfolk throw away something that could be useful to them? It's like the past decisions the government has made. They have denied some good opportunities that have arisen but the Government rejected these opporunities! And look at the situation or shall I say mess that they are in now! Norlarnen, if you refuse to hear others opinion of why Australia should step in, just answer this question. What are your plans on how to get Norfolk out of her sinking debt to save her from being handed over to Australia? For starters, from what I have heard and read the NIG personnell are in it for themselves! I think NIG need more reliable honest people on it who are upfront, HONEST and not thinking about their pockets. As much as it would be great for Norfolk to still remain independant, I don't like what I hear about the people who are alread running the Island. Is Norfolk's future just as secure with the NIG running the show than it is with the help of Australia?
Name: Food for thought..
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 03:12:32 PM
I can't believe how nazy some of yorley are! There's no need for that. Isn't that what a forum is all about is to express one's opinions?! Simply because you don't necessarily agree with Graeme or Damn Yanks opinions, doesn't mean you personally attack them! If they were having a go at you and personally put you down, then it might be a different story. But for goodness sake, start growing up and writing CONSTRUCTIVE criticism rather than destructive criticism. I hope the previous posts don't stop Damn Yank and Graeme from coming back to this forum. From what I know, Graeme has provided some useful information about Norfolk and the government. Why does Norfolk throw away something that could be useful to them? It's like the past decisions the government has made. They have denied some good opportunities that have arisen but the Government rejected these opporunities! And look at the situation or shall I say mess that they are in now! Norlarnen, if you refuse to hear others opinion of why Australia should step in, just answer this question. What are your plans on how to get Norfolk out of her sinking debt to save her from being handed over to Australia? For starters, from what I have heard and read the NIG personnell are in it for themselves! I think NIG need more reliable honest people on it who are upfront, HONEST and not thinking about their pockets. As much as it would be great for Norfolk to still remain independant, I don't like what I hear about the people who are alread running the Island. Is Norfolk's future just as secure with the NIG running the show than it is with the help of Australia?
Name: Fed Up
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 02:26:15 PM
You are now about to lose another person who is interested for the good of Norfolk Island and its people. I often drop in to see what is being discussed. This is the last time I will visit and like Grayeme I won't be back. Nor will I come back to the island where I have travelled many times.
Name: Wake Up
Email: wakeup.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 04 September 2006
Time: 12:25:07 AM
Here we go again, getting personal about "our site" and who dares have an opinion other than us Islanders about "Our Island". People are interested in the full history of Norfolk, not just the arrival and beyond of the Pitcairners. Norfolk had a huge history albeit a cruel and heartless one before 1856. Sometimes I read here and wonder if much has changed.Connection was a word used by a previous poster in relation to a regular contributer. That was a good choice of words and I for one although not Island born or of Island blood have a Connection and thank goodness my views are for the good of my beloved Norfolk and the ultimate healthy survival of the Island. Grayeme will be missed but I congratulate him on the wonderful effort in promoting Norfolk. His site is fantastic.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 03 September 2006
Time: 03:14:15 PM
You hit it right on the head "esstrue". "Real Norfolk Islanders" gave up and stopped coming on this forum long ago. And that was long before my time with my "spam" came along !!!. It is really sad when the ability of some to participate in any adult level debate, sinks so low they can only resort to vicious and unfounded personal attacks on other forumites, and anyone who dares question thier point of view. As stated in a couple of recent posts, this forum does nothing to encourage anyone to visit Norfolk, the very thing that Norfolk needs more than anything right now. This forum is more damaging than 100 Murders. I have my website to fulfil my interests in Norfolk and that is what I shall do in the future. I have already removed the link to this forum from my website as I do not want to be responsible for more good people being turned away from Norfolk Island. With that I will now remove myself.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 03 September 2006
Time: 02:48:43 PM
"well said", ..."just make-up a bunch of false aliases with fake e-mail addresses and 'spam' this forum with a enough 'go away Damn Yank' postings to make my wife and I go away and we will probably eventually get sick of you and go away if you are persistant enough in your falsehoods".../// How do we know that you are not Narlarnen Quisling in disguise? You fit the discription to the tee, i.e., first-time poster with no background on this forum whatsoever. How many other false aliases will follow in such support?/// By the way, we are NOT "representative" of the "islanders" by any means. We simply have friends there and we only desire to witness prosperity for the Islanders./// However, keep on posting under your false aliases and we will eventually get sick of it I suppose since NIDS will not enforce I.P. address false forum posters. You have already taken advantage of the system and have therefore have stricken a major blow, for there are MANY other things for us to do than to be corresponding to one or two people who clone false-sullen aliases to better their stance. Keep it up and we might finally get your message. Your agenda is very well taken into consideration and you are a damn gude forum terrorist! Paul en Monica
Name: well said
Email: expat
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 03 September 2006
Time: 12:26:22 PM
quote- "Unfortunately this forum has been hijacked with Spam like persistence by Damn Yank, Grayeme and others - who have either never been here or once had a holiday here." Anyone who knows the Norfolk Islanders knows that these two clowns are in no way representative of the Islanders.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 08:06:00 PM
esstrue@norfolk, You consider ME "spam"? No, we have never been to Norfolk Island...would it make a difference if we had been there? If it matters, we eat, sleep and breathe Norfolk Island to our fellow countrymen with Norfolk Island history, legends, rights, etc./// Yes, let us all return to writing about "Norfolk Island" as if many people are doing so at the present moment. I have posted legitimately here for years under the same valid e-mail address and those who know me will vouch for that./// It is amazing how these no-name "Tom", "Dick" and "Harry" first-time posting identities come and go here just long enough to conveniently agree with one person's point of view. The way this forum is run, I suppose I could just make up a bunch of false aliases and instantly form an army of make-believe sullen to support any point of view! I fight my own battles and am not that kind of person./// We certainly will not post here anymore if the true majority of Islanders do not want us here. So here is what you can do to make me go away...just make-up a bunch of false aliases with fake e-mail addresses and "spam" this forum with a enough "go away Damn Yank" postings to make my wife and I go away and we will probably eventually get sick of you and go away if you are persistant enough in your falsehoods./// Lord knows, we can find HATE a lot closer to home than Norfolk Island... :( /// Later, Paul en Monica
Name: Local_InAus
Email: HiMe
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 06:34:30 PM
Sorry about 3 posts But there seems to be something wrong with the confirmation page after submission.
Name: Local_InAus
Email: HiMe
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 06:33:15 PM
Congrats to NI Tourism - Great sell on Creek to Coast. Really good to show all some of the great stuff Norfolk has to offer. Keep it up.
Name: Local_InAus
Email: HiMe
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 06:33:07 PM
Congrats to NI Tourism - Great sell on Creek to Coast. Really good to show all some of the great stuff Norfolk has to offer. Keep it up.
Name: Local_InAus
Email: HiMe
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 06:33:02 PM
Congrats to NI Tourism - Great sell on Creek to Coast. Really good to show all some of the great stuff Norfolk has to offer. Keep it up.
Name: esstrue@norfolk
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 05:47:40 PM
Ken - dont blame Norfolk Island for the last few posts. The majority of people who live here have given up posting because of the noise from overseas from people who just dont get it. Unfortunately this forum has been hijacked with Spam like persistence by Damn Yank, Grayeme and others - who have either never been here or once had a holiday here. Norlarnen doesnt live here but does have connections here. I agree with you - the tone of this forum is enough to drive anyone away from coming here. But dont think this rabble is consistent with Norfolk Island people or their views.
Name: Ken
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 04:58:43 PM
All this rubbish being put on this forum especially the last few posts is not doing much to help Norfolk Island, I dropped in to have a look today with help from a friend from the island and find the last few posts most unnerving to say the least. I had thought of going over for a trip but I now will save my money and go elsewhere else instead. Perhaps the Administration should have its own forum where anyone can share their grievances about the running of the island. The whole place seems to be a basket case, will you ever get out of this mess??????
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 01:08:45 PM
"brother in Christ", I have an answer for you but in the interest of Narnia's "religeous tolerance" posting, I ask you to e-mail me if you are seriously interested in my response...if not, do not bother. I always sport my e-mail addy because I am a real person. E-mail me, and I will counter your last posting. And by the way, I do not hate Vidkun Quisling...er' I meant Norlarnen (same type of person). I sure wish that NIDS would reveal I.P. addresses... Best regards, Paul
Name: brother in Christ
Email: nfp
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 11:10:38 AM
ON THE CONTRARY Christ taught that an unforgiving spirit is one of the most heinous of sins [SEE:The Parabolic Teaching of Christ: A Systematic and Critical Study of the Parables of Our Lord - Alexander Balmain Bruce, Kessinger Publishing, 376 ff.] UNFORGIVINGNESS is THE one offense which God will not forgive (Matthew 18:34-35). It is the very ESSENCE of the unpardonable sin (Mark 3:22-30).
Name: NOT INTERESTED
Email: addy@somewhere
Country: Malta
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 08:52:23 AM
As you can see......this time I put down my place of residence. If you don't know where it is.....look it up!(the Magri family might know:)) ) To all the good people over there, I say, take care of your island.......to the others who don't have the island's interest at heart but just a close minded mentality that says...the island is mine!! lay off...no tourists, no interference.....nothing!!!.....may you look back on your mistake and beg forgiveness from your children who will curse you that you have choked your beloved island to death. cheers guys and may you choose the right road. At the moment, you sure ain't encouraging me to come over there and spend some dollars........Maybe next time when you can get your act together.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 02 September 2006
Time: 01:28:38 AM
Thanks for that, "Narnia". Knowing that it will come right back to me as "recipient unknown", I will be sure to wire 50% of my next lottery earnings to the_bold_and_the_beautiful@soaps-r-us.com. :) Reality truly bites!
Name: Narnia
Email: the_bold_and_the_beautiful@soaps-r-us.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 11:47:59 PM
Damn Yank, your increasingly hysterical postings make for some gripping reading... but perhaps we could leave personal squabbles behind and maybe also exercise some religious tolerance to others opinions? or else maybe you and norlarnen could kiss and make up and we can get back to talking about norfolk island... peace out kids.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 09:15:42 PM
Dearest "Brother in Christ" who hath never posted here before, If you are a "brother in Christ", you will know that He only forgives those who repent of their wrongdoings. I am being falsely accused for posting something that I did not post and swear on my father's grave that I am not guilty of Norlarnen's false accusation. Either Geoff or myself must be held publically accountable for that accusation and I have already surrendered my life and soul to the devil ONLY if I am the person who posted here under the "????" alias. Let us all witness Geoff offer the same if he is wrong. If he does, then he has no god. How certain are you of your accusations, Norlarnen? Let your very soul be your sacrifice... Paul
Name: barney banana
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 05:43:50 PM
A Banana Republic now thats about what it has come to over there. Mr.Tourism Steve McInnes thinks cheap bananas will bring the tourists over there. We aint that desperate for a banana. Where is this guy in la la land!!!!
Name: brother in christ
Email: nfp
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 05:31:10 PM
whatever happened to turn the other cheek christian forgiveness?
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 01:27:54 PM
Norlarnen, "????" and I are indeed NOT the "same" and it was not my duty to state whether "????" was wrong or right. Why don't you just repeat the following words to this forum if you have "the balls": "If I am wrong about my opinion that Damn Yank posted the words that '????' posted, then I beg of Jesus Christ to strike me dead". Please repeat those words, Geoff! You DO owe me an apology for false accusation and you should own up to it if you are big enough to do so. Perhaps NIDS should reveal I.P. adresses to confirm my defense, you false accusing loser! I have a clean conscience and YOU owe ME an apology for accusing ME of being "????"! PLEASE PUBLICALLY BEG GOD TO STRIKE YOU DEAD IF I AM NOT "????", GEOFF!!! I am a man of God...are you? May the WRONG party be stricken down by the hand of God! Paul
Name: first impressions
Email: none
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 12:57:37 PM
Im planning xmas vacation for the family and thought noroflk would make a nice break. I hope the mentality on display in here isnt representative of what a visitor to your lovely looking island can expect. Just reading throught the last dozen or so entries is hardly encouraging. Rather then construvtive debate on norofolks integration back into the commonwealth you appear to be bitching about whether a certain individual has or hasnt the right to express their opinion. If your reintegrating with australia then youd better get used to the idea of Free Speech. We have lots of it over here. On a brighter note heres an article from the local paper http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/bm/national/400533.html
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 01 September 2006
Time: 11:49:58 AM
DY and others, as you will have noticed I don't much bother getting involved in personal sledging regarding where someone is from or their reasons for living off shore or much else. DY, scroll through, "????" said they and Damn Yank were one and the same, you did not come on and they they were wrong as I have with someone else posing as me. I hardly owe you an apology. You have your own personal baggage for losing it over over one of the main reasons for the Australian take over - the securing of Australia's borders at a time when terrorist threats against Australia are at an all time high due to their alliance with the US. I will continue to oppose Canberra's unilateral take over of the island while huge questions remain over their tactics. Finally the good news is Canberra blinked and they have allowed us to officially be involved in the process, while this is by no means a victory it is some small reward to those involved in the Norfolk Island Action Group and all of us who opposed Canberras heavy handedness.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 31 August 2006
Time: 12:50:43 PM
Brian, By all means, I do not mean to spoil the consensus that Norlarnen is all about meaningless postings, but I do recall a few postings from years back that I completely agreed with concerning Norfolk Island maintaining its identity and the falsehoods behind tourists' beliefs that Norfolk Island was unsafe due to only a single unsolved murder in the past 150 years. I was initially intrigued over some of those postings and respected them. Not too long ago, I inapropriately blew-up at Norlarnen concerning some new postings that he made which blamed the 'takeover of Norfolk Island' on America's "blessing" of Aussie's plans. I was inapropriate because I personally attacked him by using such terms as "Not Learning", etc. I was wrong and I apologized for that and nothing further. On the other hand, I was wrongfully accused by Norlarnen for posting comments on this forum under other false aliases that I had nothing to do with. Jesus Christ did not strike me dead because I did not post the message/s in which he accused me of posting and my conscience is clear. I was big enough to apologize to Norlarnen for my inapropriate activity, but never received the apology I deserve from him for his false accusations. I do not ever expect to receive that apology and so my entire opinion of Norlarnen has changed. To Norlarnen, it appears that everything is all about being RIGHT all of the time... Paul
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 August 2006
Time: 09:12:00 AM
Grayeme, Canberra made their announcements on what what they say will happen to Norfolk Island on 20th February 2006, that you suggest I read the Hansards for Feb, Mar and April proves nothing in your favour i.e. your argument that the NIG has been involved in the process is pure fabrication. Do not pretend to not mind either way how this turns out because you have made a number of statments that prove otherwise. Not the least of which was your meaningless promise assuring the people of Norfolk Island that we will never experience a standard of living lower than that in mainland Australia should they take the place over! I will continue to point out what I believe to be true. Canberra can not be trusted, this they have proven time and time again. They are only working with the NIG now because of the resistance from our many people who see what is really going on. To those who are calling for a more constructive approach I say that until recently there has been no room for such. Canberra have given us two choices: A or B and we have not had any official input into developing either of those choices. Naturally, they were made primarily based on Canberras considerations. Until recently the only constructive approach has been to assail the injustice of their heavy handedness in telling us how it is going to be. Regarding the most recent developments it remains to be seen just how much willingness their is from the Canberra side to treat us with respect and understanding and not to bully us as they have. I am not expecting too much from them but time will tell (Lloyd getting polictial mileage out of the small grant Canberra gave towards the Patton trial doesn't indicate much of a change of heart). As I have said in the past, the Norfolk Island Act enshrines in law the claim of Norfolk Islanders to the island. Until recently Canberra have over ruled us but the resistance from our many good people have forced them to finally consider working with us.
Name: Pouri
Email: a@h
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 August 2006
Time: 08:10:52 AM
To norlarnen, keep up the good work. There are many others who can see through the crap that Aus are doing, and have been doing for many years. My guess is that we are hearing from the noisy minority
Name: Pouri
Email: aD@h
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 August 2006
Time: 08:10:36 AM
To norlarnen, keep up the good work. There are many others who can see through the crap that Aus are doing, and have been doing for many years. My guess is that we are hearing from the noisy minority
Name: Pouri
Email: aD@h
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 August 2006
Time: 08:10:28 AM
To norlarnen, keep up the good work. There are many others who can see through the crap that Aus are doing, and have been doing for many years. My guess is that we are hearing from the noisy minority
Name: interested
Email: addy@somewhere
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 31 August 2006
Time: 03:35:38 AM
This being my second post, I cannot help but see two different factions on your island. One faction is the decent let's do something to help and the other (although I sense a very small minority) is just here to critizise and do nothing to help. If you want tourism to flourish in your island, I would suggest having a more positive and friendly approach and not one which hunts down anybody who might have some constructive criticism in favour of the island. To all those who are in the first group, more power to you. To the second minuscule group, I say..DO SOMETHING!!!! and not just whine whilst you sit on your behind in front of a computer monitor.
Name: Pete
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 11:18:33 PM
Well said Grayeme, Neville is from a dynasty of Ett Christian all have been hard workers for the good of Norfolk, sadly others in high office have not been that concerned except for lining their pockets which has now come around to haunt them. Well done Neville - keep up the good work dem sullen for Ett es true Norfolk Islanders for sure.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 11:07:17 PM
I am not sure what I should say - but I thank all the posters for the support in the last few posts. I don't wish to attack anyone for thier views really, as I have said on this forum before, everyone is entitled to thier opinion, that is what a healthy forum is all about. I have clearly stated my views on the current situation on Norfolk many times over the past months on this forum in various posts. If you go back a couple of months you will see a post I made where I said I would never engage in another debate with Norlarnen again as it was a useless exercise. However I am not like that and can't hold a grudge. The one thing I that really gets up my nose is the constant reference to "THE Takeover" by Australia. Never been said, never intended, never threatened, and never will happen. I have said before and will say again, a process to gain information is in progress and when that process is completed, decisions will be made by the appropriate persons based on the information gathered. I do believe that changes must be made to the current system to make the cost of maintaining Norfolk Island more equatible accross the board. I also think that the Norfolk Island Government under the present leaders (last 2 months)acknowledges this and hence we now have some proper discussions happening. I also think that the Minister Jim Lloyd is doing an excellent job in the process and from Norfolks side I think the new Finance Minister Neville Christian is doing a marvellous job under some very difficult circumstances and I hope he can survive the test of time to see to fruition and success some of the very difficult decisions he is making now. Again Thanks to all for your support.
Name: brian
Email: @syd
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 09:18:30 PM
Here ye. Don't let idiots get at you Grayeme. He has never said anything constructive on the forum ever.
Name: Ruth
Email: @norfolkIsland
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 09:09:04 PM
You are right karen, we should speak up but it so hard in a small community. I just want it all to stop and give us a bit of life without all the costs. Just make the people on the Norfolk who have the businesses and all the money pay their fare share. Thats all. Also Grayeme I think you really do care about Norfolk and your friends and I like your input to the forum. Don't let Jeff put you off, he doesn't even live here and has no idea what its really like.
Name: Karen
Email: @syd
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 08:42:48 PM
Maybe there is a good lesson here for all of us. 6 months ago this forum was full of rubbish and I know not many people from Norfolk Island could be bothered coming here. Since Grayeme started to contribute ( I remember his first post) when he was going to Norfolk Island, this forum has changed a lot and became more fruitful. I would think that Grayeme is the last person I would call a Norfolk Basher. For Godsake, whoelse on this forum has dedicated the time to have a website dedicate3d to Norfolk Island and Pitcairn. So maybe all of us who just read the posts on this forum, should at least acknowledge the posts rather than sit on our useless bums and let someone strong like Grayeme carry it all for us. To you Norlarnen I say just this, get off your constant bashing of everything and blaming Australia. It is obvious you are not happy to let things take there natural course to a proper conclusion so why don't you just shutup till you find some real facts.
Name: Living in the seventies
Email: wakeup.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 07:37:21 PM
Norlarnen just how much time and effort have you invested in making Norfolk a better place in the last however many years have you have lived off island. Personal attacks on someone who has provided a lot of information and enjoyment for all sullen whether they are born of Norfolk heritage or not will only bring you bad karma. A lot of us have long memories. Grayeme, keep it up and thank you for your dedication, history is so valuable whether we like the truth or not.
Name: Living in the seventies
Email: wakeup.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 07:37:04 PM
Norlarnen just how much time and effort have you invested in making Norfolk a better place in the last however many years have you have lived off island. Personal attacks on someone who has provided a lot of information and enjoyment for all sullen whether they are born of Norfolk heritage or not will only bring you bad karma. A lot of us have long memories. Grayeme, keep it up and thank you for your dedication, history is so valuable whether we like the truth or not.
Name: Shamefulexislander
Email: inaus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 07:12:46 PM
Grayem dont let this jerk get under your skin. I was born and lived on Norfolk for my first 22 years and that is a long time ago. I abandoned my home because I was selfish and could see no future for me there. Just like the fellow who is harrassing you now. My family who still live on Norfolk can not wait until Australia makes the Norfolk government toe the line and everyone pays an equal share to the costs of running the island. I also know of a lot of things you are involved in behind the scenes to help Norfolk Island go forward that my relatives have told me. I thought I knew everything about Norfolk Island until I started to read some of the things you have on your web site. I just want to say like someone else said rececently, you got the Balls to say it as you see it and that is something the Islanders should have been doing with the government a long time ago. To Norlarnen I say this, why don't you tell us your solutions to the problems on Norfolk if they can be fixed without Australia being involved.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 06:39:50 PM
Sorry Norlarnen - I missed one point - you wrote - If saying Norfolk needs to make sure they are involved in the process, (FINALLY Canberra have allowed it) Why don't you email off to Geoff Gardiner and Ron Nobbs and ask them that question. Or heaven forbid !! Go to the Assembly Hansards and have a read of the meetings for Feb-March and April.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 06:10:24 PM
My website is nothing more than a collection of Links to Information from all sources so as to help people get a better understanding of the real facts of the situation. I have not even expressed an opinion on the situation on my own website. And it is not a commercial website and all costs for it come out of my pocket, any featuring of websites for Norfolk Island business's on my website is FREE and available to any Norfolk Business that wish's to contact me. So any time I make a reference to my website here is simply to get attention to the promotion and awareness of Norfolk Island. Unlike you Norlarnen, I happen to believe that educating yourself with the "REAL" facts (not what I would like the facts to be) is the best for all concerned. All of a sudden YOU have decided I am a "Norfolk Island Basher". So howabout coming up with some facts to back that up with ???? As far as "one-liners go" - go back and have a look at your posts over the last six months if you want to see an example of the same old tune !!!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 05:10:48 PM
If saying Norfolk needs to make sure they are involved in the process, (FINALLY Canberra have allowed it - 6 months after they unilaterally announced their intentions for our future governance) equates with keeping my head in the sand then I wonder where the quivilant is for your head, someone who promotes a big government solution no questions asked for our problems - I would suggest where, suffice to say it is lonely and smells bad! If you want to have a debate in here give up on your pathetic one liners and for heavens sake give us a break on the shameless self promotion of your site, it is like the "new spam" in here.
Name: interested
Email: addy@somewhere
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 08:34:43 AM
Just got here after reading a newspaper clipping from an island not much bigger than yours. It seems that someone living there comes from my island. Cheers Guys
Name: interested
Email: addy@somewhere
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 08:34:34 AM
Just got here after reading a newspaper clipping from an island not much bigger than yours. It seems that someone living there comes from my island. Cheers Guys
Name: phentermine
Email: dd205@bk.ru
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 30 August 2006
Time: 05:58:23 AM
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Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 August 2006
Time: 11:03:48 PM
So pleased - Norlarnen - was fearful you had gone soft on us. I feel much better now after reading your "head in the sand" take on the Joint Media release. All is well again. Cheers !!!
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 August 2006
Time: 02:48:48 PM
Interested Observer, it would be nice to know the facts of all these things, but it may not be realistic. All of these things have certainly had an affect as has been stated in here by visitors with responses from their friends when they said they planned to come to Norfolk. How much of an affect we will likely never know. Either way, all of the circumstances of the last years have seemingly created an ideal opportunity for Canberra to lay their cards on the table and launch their coup. Graymme, unscrupulous posters posing as me have gotten you confused. Suffice to say no apologies from me for expressing my opinions. I thought it was kind of interesting reading the joint press release from Lloyd and Buffetts meeting. The NIG solution was for Canberra to give us more money apparently. While Canberras solution is to fix everything regarding health and social services and charge us taxes. Does this mean Canberra is going to save money? If not, I wonder where the money is coming from? Lloyd is getting great mileage from the measly grant from Canberra for the trial eh!
Name: GUEST BOOK READER
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 29 August 2006
Time: 01:16:58 PM
I have been a visitor to NI and wanted to catch up on the Guest Book, but can someone please explain how all the MUMBO JUMBO stays on the Guest Book site. You need to scroll for hours looking for the last decent inclusion into what is supposed to be a Guest Book. Or is the NI Forum the place to voice your topics?
Name: aussie mug taxpayer
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 29 August 2006
Time: 11:45:32 AM
re. the previous entries-good to see some plain talking at last about what's really brought Norfolk self-gov't down, it's a pity that Grayeme isn't the editor of the local paper, he's got the balls to call it as he sees it, something which no one else has had the guts to do in the last 27 years or so
Name: Go_To_The_Top
Email: top_here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 29 August 2006
Time: 06:55:31 AM
Okay - I agree with all that has been said in the previous two posts. I was merely offering assistance for a person to get the required info. Let's be honest though, he (Buffett) isn't the only one who has been in the NIG for years to his own benefit, let's not overlook or ignore the facts that Brown has been there almost as long and that is.............too long,... and for his own pockets as well. Yes Norfolk Island does need a good overhaul in the NIG but sadly, due to shagging around and the passing of the buck (pardon the pun)it is eternally too late.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 August 2006
Time: 05:56:52 PM
I have to agree with Tom, I don't normally knock either side, but, if you read the Hansard from the July meeting of the Assembly you will notice that Chief Minister Buffett was asked on at least six times by other members for updates on things, I consider he should have had in his head,but not once could he give anyone an answer. On one occasion he was asked to report on a meeting he attended on the previous Monday, and could not even remember what the meeting was about. !!!! Its all in the Hansards on the NIG site. Make up your own mind.
Name: Tom
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 August 2006
Time: 05:42:41 PM
In reply to previous post. No use asking him, how long is it he has been stuffing his pockets from the public purse? The horse as you call him has been there so long the chaff has started to go mouldy!!! Norfolk needs a clean sweep of officials and start again from scratch.
Name: Go to the Top
Email: top_here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 28 August 2006
Time: 02:23:15 PM
Rather than using this forum to gain information why not go straight to "horse" to get the correct info from his mouth??Send an email to the Chief Minister at Assembly debuffett@assembly.gov.nf and ask him what you have written on this site. That way, you won't [ahem,..shouldn't] get the wrong details.
Name: Another Observer
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 28 August 2006
Time: 01:32:23 PM
Besides going over to Norfolk for a quiet laid back break, what else is there..... if its the duty free shopping, forget that we can buy just as cheap if not cheaper in Australia. This once was an attraction for folk to go over there but not any more. Maybe you could get back to maybe having two island specials, Norfolk and Lord Howe combined, tourists would find that interesting. After the tours on Norfolk its boring, same old stuff on offer all the time. I thought the new Tourist bloke was going to solves all your problems (just what has he done since taking up the position??????)
Name: interested observer
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 28 August 2006
Time: 12:31:25 PM
Can anyone show us the statistics or market research which support the claims that there was a down-turn in tourists visiting Norfolk because of the Patton and Buffett murders (as opposed to the effects on tourism by September 11, SARS, rising fuel costs, rising costs on Norfolk Island, competition from other holiday destinations etc etc etc). It's easy to make these blanket claims but if we are going to realistically look at our problems and try and solve them we need to address the facts not the myths.
Name: Richi
Email: richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 August 2006
Time: 06:05:19 PM
Com'n Grayeme isn't it human nature if a sign says DON'T we will do the opposite. What do you do if you see a sign on a park bench that says "Wet Paint" don't you touch it to see if it is or not,I do
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 27 August 2006
Time: 03:39:52 PM
Don't blame me - it clearly says - "Do Not Press" !!!!
Name: Richi
Email: richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 August 2006
Time: 09:07:41 AM
com'n Grayeme how many times have I got to press the red button I missed out on dinner and supper last night because of your damn red button
Name: Richi
Email: richi@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 27 August 2006
Time: 09:07:31 AM
com'n Grayeme how many times have I got to press the red button I missed out on dinner and supper last night because of your damn red button
Name: Darls
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 04:41:25 PM
Hello there dear Paul en Monica Thank you (again) for your kindness and generosity. We will have to get your package off to you as well as no doubt it too will be sent by ship. We hope you got our email and we look forward to hearing from you. BTW - thank you also for the comics!! I am still enjoying reading them. Lots of love to you both from Darls en Colin PS - It's five o'clock over here (LOL).....great song!
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 04:39:03 PM
Whilst on the subject of "Boring" Has anyone pressed the Red Spot on my website till it does a full circle yet.Be honest !!! Its under Coffee Break if you have not seen it. http://grayemespot.com/ Cheers
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 04:34:07 PM
Norlarnen - I thought your post was pretty good - because I know that, that is what you think and believe in !!!. Then you went and apologised ??? - now you got me really stuffed. Especially with the bit about being happy to see us in bed with each other !!!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 04:00:32 PM
Norlarnen, Ets five o'clock somewhere...hehehe: http://www.lyrics4all.net/a/alan-jackson/greatest-hits-volume-ii/its-five-o-clock-somewhere.php What would Jimmy Buffett do? :)
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 03:39:50 PM
sorry for my previous post, I've had a bex and a good lie down now and I'm feeling much better. In fact we are part of Australia and its good to see our governments working together.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 12:48:41 PM
Darls en Colin, All ucklan FINALLY got the package for out for yorlye that we have been meaning to send for some time! We will write soon!!! :) /// To the Aussie mail services, why must you place our packages on boats from Sydney to Kingston when we pay for airmail the entire way? ARGH!!! Best regards! Paul en Monica
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 11:32:19 AM
its boring...Get with it brud, no one submitting in here says they speak for everyone, or claiming to know everything, whether you like it or not - who cares, grow up and deal with it. On the contrary you claim to speak for "most of us" in saying "we" don't bother posting in here because of what off shore posters have to say. Get over yourself, if you care about Norfolk then have something worthwhile to add to the discussion instead of the school yard retorts youve posted till now. Gayeme, I know this is not going to be popular with you and Lookin in and others who love to have a bash at the NIG but I maintain that the Australian Government have deliberately avoided working with the NIG because that would make their goal much more difficult. I believe that looking at the bigger picture over time one can see that they have had Norfolk in their sights for a few years with all of their inquiries and that the current siutation on the island due to the Patton case, Buffett case, Norfolk Jet etc. have created the ideal conditions to pick the place off - or so they think. How many current supporters of the proposed take over would support it if Norfolk was not in such dire straits economically? - pretty much none of them. The Patton case has dragged on and on, it doesn't take much to see the Federal Police have made a lot of stuff ups along the way. Considering how much this has played into Canberras hands how much of a leap is it to think this sub par police work is by design?
Name: EXTINCT SPECIES
Email: DODO@NORFOLK
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2006
Time: 11:20:07 AM
TIME TO GET RID OF THE LOT OF THEM !!! WELL OVERDUE !!!
Name: Louie The Greek
Email: louie@dotcom
Country: Greece
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 07:49:34 PM
When is the Norfolk government website going to be up dated, we still have Gardfiner in the box seat - time to get rid of him
Name: Louie The Greek
Email: louie@dotcom
Country: Greece
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 07:48:11 PM
Name: pisshead
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:49:13 PM
instead of just getting drunk ?
Name: pisshead
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:48:38 PM
instead of just getting drunk ?
Name: pisshead
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:48:26 PM
instead of just getting drunk ?
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:23:59 PM
To "Its Boring"-"Its Boring"-"Its Boring"- all three of you !!! Your attitude is exactly what has put Norfolk in the situation it is in. Only the "Boring" are bored. Why don't you try getting off your miserable arse once in a while and doing something constructive for your Island and its future.
Name: Wowisme
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 05:47:19 PM
Yorlye have got to lighten up and not take things to heart. Those of us in Australia only comment on how we see things. You all live there but only a hand full get off their butts and do anything about the problems you just sit back an hope that someone else will do what is required to fix what ever it is is causing the population angst.
Name: It's boring
Email: boring_entries.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:22:40 AM
The reason most of us here on the island don't bother putting up submissions any longer, is the fact that far too many [who claim to know everything]seem to have all the answers and a bloody heap to say. We'll leave it to you all you experts off shore.
Name: It's boring
Email: boring_entries.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:22:32 AM
The reason most of us here on the island don't bother putting up submissions any longer, is the fact that far too many [who claim to know everything]seem to have all the answers and a bloody heap to say. We'll leave it to you all you experts off shore.
Name: It's boring
Email: boring_entries.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:22:22 AM
The reason most of us here on the island don't bother putting up submissions any longer, is the fact that far too many [who claim to know everything]seem to have all the answers and a bloody heap to say. We'll leave it to you all you experts off shore.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 25 August 2006
Time: 06:17:15 AM
Greetings yorlye! Beer goggles en keyboards...Norlarnen's reply was epoch! :) Cheers! (hehehe) Paul en Monica
Name: only DRUNK sometimes
Email: sometimesifeellikeiamtalkingtomyself@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 11:46:57 PM
we are still here too.
Name: only DRUNK sometimes
Email: sometimesifeellikeiamtalkingtomyself@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 11:46:44 PM
we are still here too.
Name: Lookn'in
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 11:19:41 PM
Maybe nobody left on Norfolk to participate in this Forum or they are all in shock that their elected MLA's are finally realizing that they have to do something and get Australian Government onboard before the "ship sinks". Does anyone know how the tourist numbers are at the moment. Have just had some friends go over there for a week on one of the cheap packages and waiting to hear what they thought really. Really what the island needs is tourists to go for more than a week all up.
Name: Lookn'in
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 11:19:31 PM
Maybe nobody left on Norfolk to participate in this Forum or they are all in shock that their elected MLA's are finally realizing that they have to do something and get Australian Government onboard before the "ship sinks". Does anyone know how the tourist numbers are at the moment. Have just had some friends go over there for a week on one of the cheap packages and waiting to hear what they thought really. Really what the island needs is tourists to go for more than a week all up.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com.
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 10:27:19 PM
"Norlarnen" - It looks like there might only be yourself and me left on this Forum ??? Cherish the thought buddy !!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 10:11:19 PM
On a serious note. A very interesting address to the Assembly by Member Mrs Boudan in the Hansards of the July meeting of the assembly. I cannot paste it here as it is a pdf file that cannot be copied. As Norfolk Island Government is the proud owner of what has to be the most USER UNFRIENDLY WEBSITE ever created, to read what she said you will have to go on a marathon (which you have to do anytime you want to find something on it). Go to http://www.norfolk.gov.nf/ then click on "Legislation" on the left side - then choose "Hansards" from the next page. When that page opens (it looks like a pre-schooler did it !!!)find "11th" (that stands for 11th Assembly" then scroll right down to you find the line that says 16.08.06 and click it open. You then scroll right to almost the bottom and you will see an entry of an address by Mrs Boudan on the subject of the current sustainability discussions. After all that, I say "Hats off to you Mrs Boudan" well said and I agree 100%.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 09:47:11 PM
Ha ha ha - you do that a bit eh !!! ha ha ha LOL
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 08:21:29 PM
I was DRUNK when I posted
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 07:24:46 PM
Norlarnen my friend. I have sat here for nigh on a hour reading and re-reading your last post, and for the life of me what are you trying to say this time.????
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 24 August 2006
Time: 11:23:40 AM
To all of the naysayers in here I would like to point out the initial paragraph of the Joint Press Release from Tuesday, "Strengthening and securing the future of Norfolk Island has moved a step closer after the Commonwealth and Norfolk Island governments agreed to work together towards governance and economic reforms on the island at a meeting held in Parliament House, Canberra yesterday." Which is to again say there has been no cooperation with our elected officials until now, all of Canberra's actions have been completely unilateral. How dare they stand up and say what they have over what is going to happen to Norfolk over all of this time without discussing it with our elected officials! Canberra have had us in their sights for quite a while now and have used all of their guile and political acumen to avoid dealing with us and to take advantage as much as possible. Would it be too much to suggest the police negligence in the Patton case is attributable to this? I think not. How much more has their argument been strengthened through the bad publicity and therefore low tourist numbers generated with this case. To our Ministers and the whole of the electorate I say BEWARE the wolf in sheeps clothing. They have shown us just how far they are to be trusted.
Name: test
Email: test@test
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2006
Time: 08:52:35 PM
test
Name: test
Email: test
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2006
Time: 08:51:57 PM
test
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2006
Time: 12:13:04 AM
NSL is still there at this stage
Name: POSSUMS
Email: STIRING_GEMS@NORFOLKOZ.COM
Country: Virgin Islands
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 11:09:15 PM
SO NO N.S.L. ??????
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 10:58:40 PM
Email correction -- nobody is perfect !!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayeme.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 10:55:50 PM
I have also linked the "Doorstop Interview" in its original format on the Main Page of my website. It is a bit easier to read or save from there. http://grayemespot.com/ Cheers
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayeme.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 10:18:37 PM
Full text of todays interview. Cheers. -- DOORSTOP INTERVIEW LPC23/2006 21 August 2006 Subject: Discussion on Norfolk Island Governance issues. Interviewee: Jim Lloyd, Federal Minister for Local Government, Territories and Roads JIM LLOYD: Thank you very much for being here this afternoon. I just wanted to make some comments in relation to the government to government meeting I've had with the Norfolk Island Government today. There were four ministers present. And the reason we had this meeting is that the Australian Government has made a Cabinet decision to reform the level of governance in Norfolk Island. We've been concerned for some time at the financial sustainability of Norfolk Island. It is very much an important part of Australia, as an external territory. And with the difficulties with tourism, which is their main form of income, over recent weeks and months, the economy of Norfolk Island is in a very difficult state. So today was a big step forward. Norfolk Island Government have put forward some ideas within the two models that have been proposed by the Australian Cabinet. The two models are a reformed territory parliament, along the lines of I guess, ACT or Northern Territory parliament, or a local government model, along the lines of the model that operates in the Christmas and Cocos Islands. So basically that's what the purpose of today's meeting was. REPORTER: Does Canberra see this as something of a win against a sometimes I guess... Norfolk was sometimes a little bit assertive in what they wanted. Do you see it as a win? JIM LLOYD: No, look it's very important that it's not a them and us. Norfolk Island has a unique history, very proud people, but it is part of Australia. That's been confirmed in many court decisions. And we have an obligation, the Australian Government and I have an obligation as a territories minister, to ensure that all parts of Australia receive the benefits of economic reform, and the benefits of a strong economy. That's not happening in Norfolk Island. So that's why we've taken these decisions. REPORTER: Would both systems see a tax reform of sorts for the Island? Would that mean, I guess there would also be a welfare system set up? JIM LLOYD: Yeah look, these are some of the questions that are being asked at the moment. There is no doubt that there would be tax reform in both systems. There is room for modification of the Australian laws. The Cabinet decision says that all Commonwealth law will apply to Norfolk Island, except where we deem it to be specifically exempted. So of course there would be tax reform and welfare reform; those sort of issues. And they're the issues that we need to discuss forward in the next few months. I'm very pleased that Norfolk Island Government has actually come to the table. For the last eight months we've had some concerns that they haven't really been interested in a new governance model. They've always wanted to put forward a third model, which is basically leave us as we are, but give us some money to help support the economy. Without the initial financial reform and governance reform, you're not addressing the serious fundamental issues. REPORTER: You mentioned the faltering economy and tourism. Is there any evidence to suggest that's from the publicity of the recent high profile murder trial? And is there any assistance on the way to help the island recover? JIM LLOYD: Look, the island has been hit with a number of negatives in relation to tourism. Tourism is obviously built on confidence. And you've had a series of incidents. Of course, the Janelle Patton murder was a negative for the island. Of course, then there was the unfortunate murder as well of their minister, Toon Buffett. You had the collapse of the Norfolk Jet. You've had a change in the type of tourism market around. So it's very competitive. And they certainly... all those incidents certainly have had an effect on Norfolk Island tourism. We're... the Australian Government is assisting with the costs of the trial within the Janelle Patton murder. And we are looking at ways in which we can assist their tourism as well. This is all part of the governance reforms. REPORTER: So what, is there a money amount that you're looking at? Or what's the government looking at? JIM LLOYD: Look, currently the Commonwealth Grants Commission is on the island. They've done some surveys. Looking at the relationship of the amount of money that Norfolk Island can generate, and the amount of money it would take the Australian government to provide the goods and services. I mean, we provide some $66 million a year for Cocos and Christmas Island. And we wouldn't anticipate that it would be anything to that size. But... because Norfolk Island actually does generate very significant income themselves. REPORTER: You mentioned welfare and taxation as two areas the government is keen to reform. Are there any other areas where the government would like to see some reform? JIM LLOYD: Look, Norfolk Island has done very well since the Norfolk Island Act was introduced, to actually be able to provide a basic level of services. But I certainly would like to see improved health services, and particularly in the area of aged care. It's not for lack of trying. And it's not for lack of caring, or the competency of the people involved. But certainly the infrastructure and the facilities... particularly their aged care facilities which is attached to the hospital, certainly would not meet the Australian standards. And their hospital is quite an old building. So I'd certainly like to see an injection of funds in that area. REPORTER: In terms of the personal income tax system, are they likely to adopt the Australian model? Or would they actually have their own sort of unique scales and systems? JIM LLOYD: Well there is room for a different model. It doesn't automatically have to be the full Australian tax system. By example, Cocos and Christmas Island do not have GST. They're GST exempt, as part of the taxation reform. So there's a lot of work being done within different departments in relation to that. Should Norfolk Island come into the GST system, that would be quite complex, because you need the agreement of the states and territories for a change in that. So there is an opportunity for a tax system that would obviously be part of the Australian tax system, but particularly modified for Norfolk Island. But it's difficult for me to speculate, because there's still a lot of work to be done. REPORTER: What about planning powers? Obviously the ACT works fairly closely with the NCA. Is there any proposal for something similar to that to be set up for Norfolk, in terms of where the planning powers for the Island might be best? JIM LLOYD: Look, I'd envisage that those sort of powers would stay with the Norfolk Island Government. Again, concerns have been raised by the people in Norfolk Island saying, look, we'd lose our identity, or the island could be overrun by people. But using the planning powers, which most local governments have, most state governments have, certainly could restrict the number of people that are living on Norfolk Island, the same as is restricted on Lord Howe Island. So I would envisage that those sort of powers would stay with their governance. REPORTER: It sounds like today was a breakthrough in terms of cooperation. But there's obviously still a lot of issues to work through. When would you expect a resolution? When will we see what's going to be up and running at Norfolk? JIM LLOYD: Today was a breakthrough. It really was. We've worked very hard. There's been goodwill on both sides, but it has been very difficult. And I understand that, because to change their level of governance, people are concerned about that. We hope that by the end of 2006, early 2007... I mean you should not underestimate the urgency of this. The Norfolk Island Government and their financial position is quite serious. And the Australian Government would not have acted otherwise. So we do need to keep pushing forward fairly quickly. REPORTER: Is this essentially a realisation by the Norfolk Islanders that the taxation base just didn't exist for them to do what they wanted to continue to do? JIM LLOYD: Today was a bit step forward for them. I mean obviously when they're talking to their domestic constituents this is not the most popular decision of course. So it's a big step forward for them to step up to the mark today, to start talking about a preferred model. And that, to me, is good news. It is a recognition that their taxation base really is not providing enough income for providing their goods and services. They've tried. They've introduced an NSL, a sustainable levy, on 1 August, for one per cent. But they're still unsure of the impact of that. They're looking at increasing their Customs duty. But to my mind, I feel that they're basically stopgap measures, and we really do need to have that fundamental change. REPORTER: Is there any model you have in mind internationally, that you'd like to see Norfolk Island follow? JIM LLOYD: Look, there are two models put forward, as I said; a local government model and a territory model. I'm not putting forward a preference for one or the other. The model that was put on the table by the Norfolk Island Government today was basically a similar territory model to the ACT or Northern Territory. But there is an opportunity to model something unique for Norfolk Island as well. So we just need to work through those issues. I'm not looking at some sort of international example. I'm really looking at more the examples within Australia, and Cocos and Christmas as a local government model example. REPORTER: So their preference at this stage is the territory example? JIM LLOYD: Yes, it is. And again, it's a breakthrough, because it's the first time that they've even nominated a preference of a model. REPORTER: So they've effectively abandoned the idea of just kicking along as it is? JIM LLOYD: They've certainly come to the table and talked about the governance model, and that's a huge step forward. Up until today, I would have said they've still kept the hope alive, that they could, you know, maintain what they have here. I mean these decisions basically have bipartisan support from the Opposition within the Australian Parliament as well. I mean they may have some differing views at the edges, but generally they're supportive. The only criticism I've seen from the Opposition, is that we didn't act quickly enough. All right? Okay, thanks very much. Last Updated: 21 August, 2006 Department of Transport and Regional Services
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayeme.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 08:24:56 PM
Spot on Lara - we need debate badly in here. Surely someone can stir the possum !!!!
Name: Lara
Email: hangingaround.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 08:16:11 PM
Grayeme you are a real gem. thanks for the update. Hopefully this will be good for Norfolk. Maybe we can start debating again.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayeme@grayeme.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 06:05:09 PM
Print Email Last Update: Monday, August 21, 2006. 4:00pm (AEST) Norfolk Island wants ACT model for govt: minister The Federal Government says there has been a breakthrough in talks over how Norfolk Island should be governed. Earlier this year Cabinet decided to intervene in the island's affairs because of its failing economy. The federal Territories Minister, Jim Lloyd, says the Norfolk Island Government wants to operate in a similar way to the ACT or Northern Territory. Any change would require tax reform but Mr Lloyd says it would not necessarily mean adopting the mainland's income tax system. "Should Norfolk Island come into the GST system that would be quite complex, because you need the agreement of the states and territories for a change in that," he said. "So there is an opportunity for a tax system that would be part of the Australian tax system but specifically modified for Norfolk Island."
Name: bugs
Email: bugs@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006
Time: 04:49:14 PM
There has been a press release regarding the NI government decision during meetings with ministers in Australia. I believe that the NI government has decided to opt for state level governance. The press release was to AAP who will syndicate to newspapers so reports should appear somewhere soonish. Anyone who finds anything please post immediate. cheers, bugs.
Name: Extra_extra_read_all_about_it
Email: extra_news@
Country: Oceans
Date: Sunday, 20 August 2006
Time: 04:09:47 PM
Hey Cameron................chill out. Worry about what is going on in Oz and let us worry about Norfolk - okay? On a more interesting note, here is more news. The plot is definitely getting thicker. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/i-would-love-to-tell-norfolk-murder-case-woman/2006/08/19/1155408071243.html
Name: Cameron
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 19 August 2006
Time: 10:25:27 PM
Another one bites the dust!!!! Governors Lodge is on the market for sale. Who is next? Isn't someone getting the message loud and clear the place is sinking and before long everyone has abandoned the sinking ship.
Name: Interested
Email: Interested.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 18 August 2006
Time: 05:37:14 PM
Anyone know what happened at the big meeting down town today, or was there a meeting.
Name: cameron
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 17 August 2006
Time: 11:05:54 PM
How are the tourist numbers these days, with the cheap packages being on offer? Has it had an upturn in interest? Also how are the elected few behaving these days? Are they coming up with any more bright ideas????
Name: richi
Email: richi@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 17 August 2006
Time: 09:53:58 PM
WOW It looks like all the contributors to this forum must be on holidays as there are no submissions since tuesday come on lets get into it or is there nothing to discuss
Name: world wide web
Email: shameless_people@
Country: Oceans
Date: Tuesday, 15 August 2006
Time: 07:14:38 AM
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20121573-5005962,00.html http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-08-11T101745Z_01_SP143901_RTRUKOC_0_UK-CRIME-AUSTRALIA-NORFOLK.xml&archived=False http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20098933-2702,00.html
Name: extra_extra_read_all_about_it
Email: more_news.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 15 August 2006
Time: 06:46:37 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/silence-on-murder-inquirys-next-step/2006/08/14/1155407741508.html The plot thickens!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: www.grayemespot.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 14 August 2006
Time: 10:42:21 PM
I have moved my Grayemespot Website to my own domain. No more adds or annoying pop-ups and plenty of bandwith and storage to do the things I have planned for the future. Please visit and bookmark the new url. Same site, just new home. Always interested in hearing from anyone with suggestions to add to my site. Visit http://grayemespot.com/ Cheers.
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayemespot
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 14 August 2006
Time: 11:06:40 AM
It certainly was a bombshell !! It took me back 40 years ago...... the courtroom door opened...Della Street rushed in...all eyes followed her as she handed a note to her boss....Perry Mason rose to his feet....your honour....I wish to call miss w to the stand....aagghh...!!!!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 14 August 2006
Time: 10:02:56 AM
To all of yorlye who are posting the Janelle Patton newslinks, THANK YOU! This news is not covered in the USA. Best regards, Paul en Monica
Name: Inspector Gadget
Email: here@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 14 August 2006
Time: 08:47:45 AM
Sherlock,.......you have hit the nail on the head. The whole thing is very odd.
Name: Sherlock
Email: @here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 13 August 2006
Time: 11:43:25 PM
It makes you wonder how thorough the investigation has been.??
Name: ??!
Email: @nz
Country: Oceans
Date: Sunday, 13 August 2006
Time: 08:46:31 PM
http://www.crime.co.nz/displaynews.asp?id=64839
Name: !!?
Email: @nz
Country: Oceans
Date: Sunday, 13 August 2006
Time: 08:45:09 PM
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/latest/200608131732/286c033
Name: Two_plus_Two
Email: equals4.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 13 August 2006
Time: 08:19:49 PM
Trudy,....you are so right. Lots of things don't add up and one cannot help but wonder about the legal systems when the animal admitted to doing the terrible deed,[just read ALL papers then we also read in all the papers his lawyer will have him [the animal] plead not guilty. It is hard to believe that anyone can sleep at night let alone have children and hold them in their arms knowing there is blood on them. God help everyone is all I can say.
Name: Trudy
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 13 August 2006
Time: 06:35:18 PM
Somethings just do not add up .... what do you reckon????
Name: Grayeme
Email: grayemespot
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 13 August 2006
Time: 10:52:38 AM
All very quiet in here, must be something we can get into ?? http://grayemespot.bravehost.com/ Cheers
Name: More News
Email: extra_extra_read_all_about_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 03:51:53 PM
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20097435-953,00.html
Name: The News Goes On
Email: two_and_two.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 03:47:20 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/the-chef-his-ex-and-the-lover/2006/08/11/1154803102206.html
Name: More News
Email: read_all_about_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 03:45:17 PM
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20096170-2,00.html
Name: More News
Email: news.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 03:42:18 PM
Name: Bin Fraed
Email: rest_easy.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 03:41:03 PM
We will all be able to relax again once the killer has returned to where he belongs.......GAOL. Our hearts are with Carol & Ron. What a daunting 5 days it must have been for them during the hearing.
Name: Im here
Email: im@here.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 12:30:21 PM
Hey Bling, no apology required, most of us have been there one time or another. Have a great weekend.
Name: bling
Email: norfolkglobalparty.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 12 August 2006
Time: 11:32:33 AM
sorry guys.....i was DRUNK.
Name: Great News
Email: at_last.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 August 2006
Time: 09:28:02 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/norfolk-murder-case-goes-to-trial/2006/08/11/1154803089932.html
Name: Great News
Email: at_last.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 August 2006
Time: 09:25:28 PM
Name: Im here
Email: Im@here.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 11 August 2006
Time: 05:26:23 PM
Bling if you are referring to my post in answer to damn yank then you are barking up the wrong tree sunshine. I see nothing religous about paying my respects to people who were a wonderful part of my life and the past life comment refers to a visit to a clairvoyant. I am not a religous person. However, this is an open forum.
Name: In the News
Email: news.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 August 2006
Time: 12:23:42 PM
Sorry, it appears some of the link broke off http://news.google.com.au/news?hl=en&edition=au&ie=UTF-8&q=%22norfolk%2BIsland%22&scoring=d&num=20
Name: In The News
Email: news.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 11 August 2006
Time: 12:22:18 PM
Keep up with the murder trial currently underway on Norfolk Island. http://news.google.com.au/news?hl=en&edition=au&ie=UTF-8&q=%22norfolk%2BIsland%22&scoring=d&num=20
Name: Food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 10 August 2006
Time: 09:41:58 AM
Hey Bling, maybe you should try Jesus after all to see what you're missing out on!
Name: So What
Email: here.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 10 August 2006
Time: 07:20:59 AM
Hey Bling.....get a life. SO what if it is turning into a religous site. It would make a rather welcome change, however I fail to see any religion.
Name: bling
Email: norfolkglobalparty.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 09 August 2006
Time: 10:42:24 PM
is this turning into a religion site...........already?
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 09 August 2006
Time: 04:25:26 PM
"I'm Here", At least you have been to Norfolk Island and I envy you for that! We have our own islands here in Virginia, but we still cherish knowing the friends that we accidently met who reside on another island on the other side of the planet. We would not trade that experience for anything... Paul en Monica
Name: webcam
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 09 August 2006
Time: 02:46:16 PM
Do any of you know if NIDS is going to put their webcam back online? I really miss that feature.
Name: Im Here
Email: Im@here.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 09 August 2006
Time: 02:25:55 PM
Hi Damn Yank, thanks for the info, it fascinates me how our lives are forever changed before we are born by our ancestors. No I am not an Islander, nor do I have any ancestral connection as far as I can work out. If one believes in past lives then I supposedly have a connection as a political prisoner who died on Norfolk. It was quite eerie to hear what was said as it is so much like what I believe and have spent much of my life doing. Norfolk is beautiful as are the mores of her people. I was lucky enough to live there in the early seventies and again for a couple of years a while ago and knew a lot of the old ones now passed on. I liked the early times and while I still love Norfolk find it very different now, probably because I miss a lot of them and there are so many people there now. My favourite saying tends to be that "Progress can also be a step backward." I always visit the ones passed on when I am there and always think how they contributed to the history of a truly unique place in world. Some of the funny stories told to me over the years have been wonderful and hopefully one day rhey will be recorded for posterity. I actually went to post my name and email but was worried re the spammers.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 11:27:06 PM
"I'm Here", If it were not for this forum, we never would have met Darlene & Colin...a reason for offering defense. I accidently stumbled upon http://www.nf probably at least a year before meeting them and previously enjoyed reading the ideas and concerns that were posted here. No-one ever supplied the Emily Bay tree answer to me and I had to do a little research to find out. My only possible blood connection to Norfolk Island would perhaps be to Ensign Abel William Dotten Best of the Royal Army as a distant cousin who was assigned to the penal colony. There is a possiblity that he and I share a common paternal ancestor in England. Other than that, all of my ancestors immigrated to the American Colony before the American Revolution from either England/Scotland, Ireland or Germany/Netherlands. I have ancestors that were part of the Jamestown Settlement and like Islanders celebrate Bounty Day, the Jamestowne Society will be celebrating our 400 year anniversary in 2007: http://www.jamestowne.org Are you an Islander or do you share a similar reason for coming here? I believe that it would be fascinating to get to know the background of all the legitimate forum contributors. Best regards, Paul
Name: 1
Email: 2
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 10:43:04 PM
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Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 10:31:45 PM
This is a good link for the latest news on the current trial on Norfolk http://newsbreak.com.au/topic/Glenn-McNeill or you can visit my website at http://grayemespot.bravehost.com/ for all things Norfolk Island.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 07:33:14 PM
I am here too. Had to do a search for a new link as my old bookmark don't work anymore. Thanks NIDS for fixing things up, and I hope it works. Might take a while for everyone to find thier way back. Cheers.
Name: I'm Here
Email: Im@here.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 07:08:48 PM
Hello guys, no you are not alone but I think you are right, it is an important week on my favourite "Rock" and hopefully nobody will do anything to jeopardise things. As for the spammers, I often think that if they put their "talent" into something legal they just might make a fortune. I think there will be a fair bit of activity next week, Damn Yank, do you have a Pitcairn or Norfolk connection besides your friendship with Darlene and Colin ? Not prying, just interested in the world wide connection re heritage.
Name: exTEPnik
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 02:56:52 PM
howdy paul, sorry about the terrible spelling in my last post, i spilled coffe on teh keyboard! i think its quiet today because of the court procedings etc & hopefully you guys have scared off the spammers, thatnks for that
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 01:54:17 PM
exTEPnik, It appears that NIDS fixed the problem as only us tree-name knowers are currently posting. In a sea of hatred, it does me well to meet another ally amongst the very few... Best regards, Paul
Name: ex TEPnik
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 12:03:06 PM
ta paul, i agree with graeme that you would be a terrific modarator for the forem, it mihgt get rid aof some of the namby pamby left wihng bias on here!!!!!!!!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 08 August 2006
Time: 01:00:17 AM
Greyeme/exTEPnik, Gude ta se yorlye! It appears that NIDS did indeed make a most welcome adjustment. Let us pray that it works... Best regards, Paul
Name: ex TEPnik
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 07 August 2006
Time: 07:06:21 PM
LONG LIVE ANZUS! thanks paul & grayeme, at least for having a go. I wonder who would have won the war if eveyone just stuck their heads in tgeh sand & pretended theres no problem? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Grayeme Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au Country: Australia Date: Monday, 07 August 2006 Time: 04:51:58 PM Comments I agree with your proposal 100% Paul, I think we should try everything we can to keep "THIS" forum running. The last thing I want to do is set up another on my website in competition to this one. There are several other Norfolk Island forums out on the web that are not being used and I don't want to add another. This is the best place for it and this style of forum is much better run by a professional server. I don't think anyone would object to Passwording in to the forum each time if it gets rid of this spamming. Surely NIDS has the capability of using IP Blocking on this forum to lock out spam. I think "Damn Yank" would make a good moderator and wish NIDS would at least acknowledge his offer. See what happens over the next week or so, but if they don't do something to protect it, then its goodbye to this forum, you only have to see how things have dropped off since this spam started. Cheers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Damn Yank Email: tattler@skunkbox.com Country: United States Date: Monday, 07 August 2006 Time: 04:31:41 PM Comments ex TEPnik, I would be honored to assist NIDS in the complete and unconditional global extermination of these commie spammers if only NIDS would simply contact me, hire me and provide a password in order to grant me the ops powers to do so. I personally would spare no mercy upon these spammers if only NIDS would hire me. I love Norfolk Island and would defend this forum if NIDS would simply hire me as a mercinary. I vow to stay atop of deleting this cursed spam on a daily basis if only NIDS will allow me to do so. My price is FREE and I merely seek to delete the spam the same day it gets posted, but I need a password an ops priviledges. So far, NIDS has not contacted my e-mail address concerning my offer. I seek no desire to create an alternative website and merely only desire to fight for the preservation of this forum to remain in tact the way it currently exists. Hopefully, Greyme will create an alternative Norfolk Island secure website as he offered if this current website continues to ignore the continuous storm of spam. NIDS, I beg of you...only TRY me with ops powers. I will deal with these spammers accordingly and for FREE! I will cost you nothing if only you will allow me to assist... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 07 August 2006
Time: 04:51:58 PM
I agree with your proposal 100% Paul, I think we should try everything we can to keep "THIS" forum running. The last thing I want to do is set up another on my website in competition to this one. There are several other Norfolk Island forums out on the web that are not being used and I don't want to add another. This is the best place for it and this style of forum is much better run by a professional server. I don't think anyone would object to Passwording in to the forum each time if it gets rid of this spamming. Surely NIDS has the capability of using IP Blocking on this forum to lock out spam. I think "Damn Yank" would make a good moderator and wish NIDS would at least acknowledge his offer. See what happens over the next week or so, but if they don't do something to protect it, then its goodbye to this forum, you only have to see how things have dropped off since this spam started. Cheers.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 07 August 2006
Time: 04:31:41 PM
ex TEPnik, I would be honored to assist NIDS in the complete and unconditional global extermination of these commie spammers if only NIDS would simply contact me, hire me and provide a password in order to grant me the ops powers to do so. I personally would spare no mercy upon these spammers if only NIDS would hire me. I love Norfolk Island and would defend this forum if NIDS would simply hire me as a mercinary. I vow to stay atop of deleting this cursed spam on a daily basis if only NIDS will allow me to do so. My price is FREE and I merely seek to delete the spam the same day it gets posted, but I need a password an ops priviledges. So far, NIDS has not contacted my e-mail address concerning my offer. I seek no desire to create an alternative website and merely only desire to fight for the preservation of this forum to remain in tact the way it currently exists. Hopefully, Greyme will create an alternative Norfolk Island secure website as he offered if this current website continues to ignore the continuous storm of spam. NIDS, I beg of you...only TRY me with ops powers. I will deal with these spammers accordingly and for FREE! I will cost you nothing if only you will allow me to assist... Paul
Name: Register of Known Spam Operations (ROKSO)
Email: cert-int@spamhaus.org
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 07 August 2006
Time: 01:16:54 PM
200 Known Spam Operations responsible for 80% of your spam: http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso
Name: Informer
Email: shaggy.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 August 2006
Time: 10:41:12 AM
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20041063-2702,00.html
Name: Informer
Email: shaggy.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 07 August 2006
Time: 10:40:08 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2301721,00.html
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 06 August 2006
Time: 11:25:10 AM
For nearly six months Mr McNeill has been held on remand in Sydney's Silverwater Jail, at the island's expense. But the self-governing Pacific territory is in a precarious financial position, and the Australian government has chipped in with $70,000 to ensure the hearing proceeds. Forensic experts from across Australia, and as far afield as the United States, are involved in the case, and much of the money will go towards the cost of video conferencing equipment.
Name: This story is from news.com.au network
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 04 August 2006
Time: 03:49:42 PM
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20015687-29277,00.html
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 02 August 2006
Time: 07:19:39 PM
This is a perfect example of why you have to have a sign in and members only forum. Got to wonder about the mentality of these jerks, obviously guinea pigs have got more brains. If this forum does not change to a sign in feature - then sorry to say - it is dead, because these idiots won't go away.
Name: Karma catches up, SMH Stephen Gibbs
Email: hehehe@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 02 August 2006
Time: 01:57:00 PM
he he he... http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/2006/07/24-1417-955.html or http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19875284-2,00.html
Name: I es pining fe Norfolk
Email: webcam@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 01 August 2006
Time: 04:56:54 PM
NIDS are you going to put the webcam back up and online again? Because I really miss being able to have a look at the webcam and to be able to see Norfolk!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 01 August 2006
Time: 02:12:31 PM
PLEASE NIDS, PLEASE stay atop of these spammers. If I had the power to delete these spammers, I would do this for you and would promise not to delete anything other than spam. I am even willing to report every posting that I delete to your office. At anytime, you could strip any such ops powers from me the second you feel that I am out of line. The spam must end and I will help you if you need any volunteers who can be trusted. I merely desire to assist you for free... Best regards, Paul Trust me and I will not disappoint you, NIDS.
Name: robme gowdgeme
Email: robmegowdgeme@scam.org
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 01 August 2006
Time: 08:08:00 AM
can anyone help me?? where is grant when i need him,
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 31 July 2006
Time: 06:17:20 PM
Very annoying all this spam,however thats the world we live in, sad really. Just a post to let everyone know that I have built a new Website. It is basically a site of links concentrating on the histories and relationships between Australia Norfolk Island and Pitcairn Island. Just an attempt at a one stop website which covers all. Also on the site I have linked all the documents from the National Archives that pertain to Norfolk or Pitcairn for easy reading. The site does not have a forum as I did not want to take away from this one, but if this spam keeps up I am happy to re-think that. The site does have a chatroom and I will try to be in there most nights from about 5.30pm Aussie time. Probably a good idea to bookmark it if your interested as it will take a while for Google etc. to find me. Go http://grayemespot.bravehost.com/ Cheers.
Name: Born & Bred Islander
Email: right_here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 July 2006
Time: 05:23:41 AM
I reckon it's a great idea to send "Gibbsy" a card and at the same time, write to Lightfoot before he arrives next week and demand a public apology for the diatribe he blurted out about all of us islanders hiding a killer amongst us. He too should be brought to justice for that defamatory comment. Let's chcuk him in the same basket as Gibbsy......."A Dickhead"!!!
Name: Born & Bred Islander
Email: right_here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 July 2006
Time: 05:23:28 AM
I reckon it's a great idea to send "Gibbsy" a card and at the same time, write to Lightfoot before he arrives next week and demand a public apology for the diatribe he blurted out about all of us islanders hiding a killer amongst us. He too should be brought to justice for that defamatory comment. Let's chcuk him in the same basket as Gibbsy......."A Dickhead"!!!
Name: karmaX2
Email: LongbayX10
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2006
Time: 09:28:54 PM
re. 'Gibbsy', look on the bright side a.) he'll no longer have to advertize for "yogi-bear topmen" on gaymatchmaker.com to scratch his date <><> b.) his ex-missus 'Candy' is currently the PR person for NSW corrective services - so taking up residence in Long Bay, will be just like old times really
Name: Good News
Email: tables_turn.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2006
Time: 08:45:00 PM
Ha bloody ha to Stephen Gibbs!! What goes around comes around and to think we had the dickhead here amongst us. Let's hope he goes to jail and they throw the keys away. Shall we send him a card????? Maybe the local papers can do a write up and we can forward it onto the Herald.
Name: food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2006
Time: 03:59:26 PM
In response to Bug's post: Well isn't that rather funny to read. Here he was bagging us Norfolk Islanders a while ago and now look at what he has gone and done.
Name: bugs
Email: bugs_at
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2006
Time: 03:46:17 PM
Our favourite reporter is in the news : http://www.news.com.au/story/print/0,10119,19875284,00.html enjoy :)
Name: Ring ring
Email: mobiles@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2006
Time: 12:36:19 PM
So is Norfolk going to have a mobile phone service over there? If so, when do you think it will take place?
Name: food for thought
Email: sdvsd
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2006
Time: 10:37:18 AM
Last week, Telstra - which was excluded from the auction of WiMAX spectrum - made it clear that it sees the technology as a threat to its new $1.1 billion third generation mobile network
Name: An Observer
Email: no-netballers@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 25 July 2006
Time: 06:04:41 PM
ABSENCE OF NETBALLERS ---------It is one thing to have a fund raiser but for your own organisation to not support it is pathetic. The Netball association has had two fundraisers of late which was supported by the Venue's (Leagues and RSL) and also the local musicians gave their time for free. -----Sadly the absence of netball players at the fundraisers stood out like a sore thumb. ---------- Fundraisers have raised eyebrows of late, including the one that part funded a ski holiday earlier this year. The Norfolk community is very proud of its ability to support needy causes, but please do not use this as an easy method to make money. ----------Keep in touch with Norfolk tradition and do not use fundraisers as a scam to make an easy buck.
Name: kickemout
Email: kickemout
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 09:05:35 PM
Big Brother - I don't think the MLA Show would be great reality TV - nobody would believe people could be in government and get away with what they do
Name: Sick and Tired
Email: same_crap_different_day.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 07:50:03 PM
Oh Dear - no we are not gutless, but no matter what we the electorate do, say, ask or suggest, it is shoved under the carpet or put into the "too hard basket". It is like hitting ones head against a brick wall. A street protest would not make a spark of difference at all, in fact if anything, we'd all end up in court as freedom of speech only applies to certain few. Like Big Brother and Big Brother's sister said - it is a joke. There is one certain Minister in the Govt who has the other 8 wrapped around his finger and he also has his finger in every pie imaginable and is one of the biggest holders of "conflict of interest" including his tourist board members. Nearly all of them are linked to him in some way - and Colonel Buffett [as you refer to him] has allowed this to happen. The sooner Aussie comes in and kicks their arses out of Govt - the better! And not one - the bloody lot of them! A very large majority of us here on the island are sick to death of the same crap whenever they meet. They are worse than broken and cracked records.
Name: Sick and Tired
Email: same_crap_different_day.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 07:48:11 PM
Oh Dear - no we are not gutless, but no matter what we the electorate do, say, ask or suggest, it is shoved under the carpet or put into the "too hard basket". It is like hitting ones head against a brick wall. A trseet protest would not make a spark of difference at all, in fact if anything, we'd all end up in court as freedom of speech only applies to certain few. Like Big Brother and Big Brother's sister said - it is a joke. There is one certain Minister in the Govt who has the other 8 wrapped around his finger and he also has his finger in every pie imaginable and is one of the biggest holders of "conflict of interest" inlcuding his tourist board members. Nearly all of them are linked to him in some way - and Colonel Buffett [as you refer to him] has allowed this to happen. The sooner Aussie comes in and kicks their arses out of Govt - the better! And not one - the bloody lot of them!
Name: Harry
Email: har@har.com
Country: India
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 05:51:47 PM
Very nice site!
Name: oh dear
Email: @AU
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 03:13:20 PM
Australian Government needs to get into Norfolk quick smart, before any more corruption takes place. Nothing seems to have changed over there those in the cushy positions making sure their mates are well catered for. Is Colonel Buffett signing off on this????? No use getting on this forum and blasting them, get to the streets and protest or are you all gutless to do anything. Seems to me they appoint anyone they like to any position. No use writing to the Norfolk paper you all need to band together and make a loud protest so they get the message very quickly.
Name: Big Brother
Email: watching.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 01:49:12 PM
How very interesting the previous post. Nepotism seems to be very rife on your island and this should not be allowed. There's enough of it in our present governments over here. Would someone please post the letter that was written to the paper up on the forum so we can read it as well as I for one am very curious to peruse it. Stick to you guns Norfolk Islanders and don't be bullied by your government. From reading posts on this forum, your government is more like a comedy show. Sell it to the ABC or BBC. It might be a great way to raise some new revenue!
Name: Big Brothers Sister
Email: watchingclosely.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 24 July 2006
Time: 11:46:01 AM
Whoever wrote the letter to the paper regarding the recent appointment of new Tourist Board Members should be given a medal. What a bloody joke. Yet again, the Minister is thinking of his hip pocket by having close and personal friends on the board. It sticks out like you know what. I too would like to know who will pay the airfares for Ian Menzies and Lindsay Ford to attend the board meetings given they are not permanently on island. No wonder the island is sinking. And shame too on the Chief Minister for allowing it to happen. Maybe there is hope for us on the island to gain emplyment overseas but stay on our turf to dictate and delegate.
Name: No Choice
Email: ni
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 23 July 2006
Time: 04:39:46 PM
No Choice is No Choice at all. As a born and bred Norfolk Islander the last thing i want to see is Australia taking us over. However all faith in our government has been stripped away. NSL??? I wouldnt mind paying an NSL, GST extra Tax you name it IF we could trust where the money is going. Our Govt shuts down an airline over a measly amount (under 100,000) then spends 54,000 on flood lights. The closure of the airline has cost ALL OF US millions of dollars???? I have no proof but a reliable source says that the NI Govt is subsidising the OZ Jet plane??? Paying for the empty seats each flight. If this is the case then we should be able to use these empty seats, because it is OUR money they are using pay for them?? As i said no proof behind this but thought it was worth mentioning. To all tradesman, re the NSL. Do you book your Customers materials to your account and then rebill to your customer?? Getting you 10% trade discount?? With NSL you wont be able to supply materials to your customer at the same price they could get it for themselves from NIBS. You will have to add NSL ontop of the price from NIBS which already has NSL on it. Therefore a lot of Customers will want materials billed directly to their own account. Other wise they will have to pay double NSL. You lose your 10%. Could be a substantial decrease in income for some tradeys, maybe they will have to increase their hourly charge to cover this loss. Correct me if i am wrong. Even if Australia take us over we will still have to have a local council to take care of the majority of things on Norfolk. A local council has to raise its own revenue to fund such things as roads etc. So either way we will have to have someone down town running things locally. So either way we need to get the lot down town to start working with the community so we CAN TRUST what they do. Remember they are here to SERVE us. It is OUR money they are spending and they should be ACCOUNTABLE for every cent. Time to stop dipping in the one empty coffer to fill up an even emptier one. If revenue is spent on what it is raised for then perhaps they will have a better idea where the shortfalls are and where they need to raise more revenue. Not just raising money across the board to prop up god knows what area. No choice is No choice at all.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.om
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 23 July 2006
Time: 12:01:46 PM
August 26, 1838 - "Got up half past seven went to bathe. Church in a barrack room at ten. In the afternoon went out for a walk returned to dinner. Mr. & Mrs, McDonald came ashore during divine service & took up their quarters at Government House."///August 27, 1838 - "Arose at seven bathed and breakfasted. The wind had changed the brig was obliged therefore to go round to the opposite side of the Island and lay off Cascade Bay. All the Detachment except six & a Non Com, landed bringing with them four dogs. Nettle I immediately chained up the bull pup staid with her the two others followed me to my room. - or rather to the room of the officer with whom I put up I was very busy all day, doing nothing in the forenoon and after luncheon walking to the Government farm at Long Ridge to shoot Pigeons. There was a small party at mess we did not disperse till late". <Ensign Abel William Dotten Best>
Name: Brainwave
Email: au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 July 2006
Time: 06:57:42 PM
What's in a name, nothing really..... same old people running the show. How much is it costing the NIG to rebadge the aircraft???? We thought the island was broke. Tis not going to make a bit of difference ..... remember Nauru Air they got into financial trouble? Norfolk Air has a similar ring to it a big cost to the island ... maybe its to take the Ozjet tag off and pretend all is well (they have been in finacial trouble as an airline with their business class stuff up from Melbourne to Sydney and prior to that under another name). More flights ain't gonna make a bit of difference ... your tourism is on the nose.
Name: Big Brother
Email: watching.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 July 2006
Time: 12:26:37 PM
How interesting when one looks at the big picture that the same people who were involved with Norfolk Island Airlines were also involved with Norfolk Jet. This should tell all you Norfolk Islanders something. How many of you lost money both times???? This is a very interesting concept. Let's hope none of these people are in your current Government. Happy pondering.
Name: Here's Hoping
Email: @@
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 July 2006
Time: 12:21:13 PM
A little bit of news from the papers. Let's hope this one stays in the air a bit longer than Norfolk Airlines and Norfolk Jet. Maybe Norfolk needs to be left a name on its own???? Anyway happy reading..................... It has been confirmed that Norfolk Island’s new Ozjet 737-200 jet service will gain an extra flight out of Sydney and will be officially named Norfolk Air. The island’s Chief Minister David Buffet announced the latest developments for the popular tourist destination. Mr. Buffet stated that the new changes will see the Qantas-ticketed and maintained aircraft to become based on Norfolk Island, as well as being painted in the island’s blue and green colours. It was reported that the Norfolk Island Government was pleased that Qantas had agreed to continue to ticket and maintain the service. Mr Buffett stated “We have been well supported by Qantas over the past twelve months and will continue to work with them by code sharing on the Brisbane and Sydney routes-Qantas opens up the world for us.” The extra flights will increase the total of services to four a week from Sydney and three from Brisbane from August 18th. It has been confirmed that from August 18, Norfolk Air would initially offer return services to Brisbane and Sydney each Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday with an extra return service to Sydney each Friday.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 July 2006
Time: 05:15:00 PM
A DAY IN PARADISE - From the Journal of Philip Gidley King ;- February 1789 Thursday -th 26 -ESE untill 11 AM then South at eight PM SSW. -The Surf rose to a very great height & broke most tremendously. The Sea between the Island's ran Mountains high, very often hiding Nepeans Island entirely Moderate Breezes & dark Cloudy Wr with a few Showers of light rain, at 10 A.M. performed Divine Service 1 Man Lame — D° Wr with Rain as before 12 Men employed at Task Work Carpenters building a house for the Serjeant of Marines 12 feet by eight. Sawyers at Task Work, & the rest of the people bringing in Flax plant for thatching & Poles for paling — Moderate Breezes & dark Cloudy Wr with almost constant light rain. People all employed as before. First part Light Winds & dark Cloudy Weather with constant Torrants of very heavy Rain, after noon, had very heavy Gales of Wind with Rain as before, Sent the Coble out to fish at noon she returned with 40 fish Issued them 31b of fish for ½ lb of Pork — People all employed as before — No work today — At Midnight very heavy Gales of wind & torrents of rain, the Wind at ESE & increasing in violence at 4 A.M. several pines of 180' in length & [blank space] yds in girth were blown up by the roots, one of which fell on the Pigs Stye & killed a Sow with a litter of Pigs belonging to the Commandant from 4 A.M. till Noon the Wind increased to a dreadfull hurricane, with deluges of Rain Pigs & livestock, Trees of the largest kinds were blowing down every instant tearing up their Roots & Rocks with them, leaving, beds of 10 feet deep & the longest & largest Roots I ever saw, some of these very large trees were thrown by the violence of the Wind at some distance from where they grew, those pines which were strong enough to resist the force of the Wind bent their tops very near the Ground, Nothing but horror & desolation presented itself on every side which can only be equalled or conceived but by those who have seen the dreadfull effects of a Hurricane in the West Indies, what added more to the Horror of the Scene was a very large live oak tree being blown on the Granary, which dashed it to pieces & stove a Number of the Casks of Flour, but by the General Activity of every Person, the Flour Indian Corn & Stores, were in a Short time Collected & removed to the Commandants house with the loss of about half a Cask of Flour, & some small Stores. At Noon the Gale blew with the utmost Fury & violence sweeping, Woods of trees up by the Roots & carrying some of them to a considerable distance, at one oclock there were as many Trees fell round the Settlement as would have employed 50 Men a fortnight to fall, The Swamps & Vale were quite overflowed by 11 oclock & had every appearance of a large navigable river It was a fortunate Circumstance that on the discovery of the Plot a great number of Pine & live oak Trees were failed round the Houses, to open the Ground, had not this been done all ye houses would have been destroyed & a Number of lives must have been lost, but only one man received a Contusion on his Hip by a branch of a Pine falling on him The Gardens, at this Settlement were quite destroyed the Cabbages Turnips & other Plants were torn up by the Roots 8c those few which withstood the hurricane appeared as if they had been burnt — The Sugar cane growing here is much damaged altho' Supported by a Stick & screened by a high Fence, at 3 oclock the Wind having veered to South it moderated & Continued Moderating untill the next day — Ab't 4 oclock P.M. The Gardner with 2 Convicts & one Convict Woman came in from the plantation in Arthurs Vale having had several narrow escapes, by the Fall of trees & the great depth of Water in many places, Their Houses which were built & framed with Strong logs were all Blown down. The devastation done in the Vale is beyond belief nor can the dreadfull effects of the Hurricane there be descrlbed, whole Woods and hills being blown up by the Roots & many Trees fallen blown on the 3 Acres of Cleared Ground, The violence & Direction of the Wind is marked by the all the Trees on the hills on the Right hand side of the Vale being blown down & very little damage being done on the left hand side several Clumps of very large trees which were left Standing on the flat part of the Vale were torn up by the roots & an acre of Indian Corn which would have been fit to gather in 3 Weeks, & was in a very promising state was all laid flatt & overflowed some feet by the Water, every Thing growing in the Garden is almost quite destroyed. There is no appearance on any part of the Island of a Gale of Wind of this Kind having ever happned before, It may be said that the Vale & the Spot where the Settlement is made, was a direction for the Wind, But the great damage & the number of Trees blown up by the Roots in places which were not cleared at all sufficiently proves that Hurricanes of this Kind are not frequent.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 06:01:23 PM
The Commonwealth Grants Commission has posted on their website some preliminary reports of their inquiries thus far. Should be essential reading for all Norfolk Island residents prior to the Commissions next visit for discussions on 17th-18th August. The Staff Preliminary Report ( Zipped RTF File) is the easiest and most comprehensive to read. http://www.cgc.gov.au/
Name: love that gov
Email: @@@@@@@@@@@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 01:43:27 PM
any reason admin arent using the asphalt millings from the airport to fill the potholes in our roads? aside from it making perfect common sense?
Name: Food for Thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 01:42:20 PM
Thank you Grayeme for posting information about the high res. photos of Norfolk on google earth! I actually looked it up on Google Maps and had some fun locating familiar places on the Island etc!
Name: look into it
Email: @assembley
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 01:38:46 PM
I think they should go for the stadium as it has great potential as an emergency evacuation centre and would reap huge returns when hired out for other functions and sporting events ( although this may have been the plan for the marquee as well) It would be able to house hundreds of people and would raise multitudes of capital in times of refugee crisis' if rented out to Aussie too. No more tent citys in Nauru and Christmas Islands , good for everyone really, the options are limitless....
Name: football stadiums R us
Email: kickemrightout@norfolk
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 01:18:15 PM
FOR SALE:large football stadium, complete with lighting,only $380.000 ! will offer 10% discount and free freight to norfolk island.............lets see if the NI GOV. jump at this bargain too !!! WITH ALL THIER EXTRA CASH !
Name: EssMe
Email: no@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 08:36:00 AM
I bet the MLA's could make some pretty funky shadow puppets.......
Name: maybe
Email: maybe
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2006
Time: 07:52:52 AM
maybe the mla's need the lights to stop themselves floundering about in the dark
Name: AND SOCCER TO
Email: PLAYERS@.NF
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 07:25:41 PM
I THINCK ITS GRATE THAT THEY BUY BOTH SETTS OF LITES OR WE WOULD HAVE SHADDOWS ON THE FOOTY FEILD AT NITE, NOT MUCH FUN. GOOD TOO SEE LOPPIE AND THAT DOING SUM GOOD FOR NORFOLK SPORTS?
Name: stupid
Email: gov.@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 07:19:39 PM
hey "look fus" 2 lighting units @$32,000 each = $64,000 ,deduct the $10,000 donated and the gov. put up $54,000 ...pretty easy math ! maybe buying 1 set of lights may have slipped under the radar? must be a big emergency looming.........
Name: look fus
Email: research@com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 06:33:26 PM
If Aussie dont take over , then it is still a handy requisition. I dont entirely agree with their skeptism, or the fact that 99% of people agree with them. Just remember that money was put up for them by the police and the touch football assoc. if I recall correctly. Whether there is alterior motives or not, they are still an invaluable purchase. One of the previous entries didnt even know they were self generating before he mouthed off, which is what I could call "typical" of some people who mouth off without bothering to find out the facts first.
Name: Charlie
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 06:33:07 PM
Maybe the inspiring light has ceased to flicker down town and now they need spot lights with own generator to snap them all into action. BRIGHT SPARKS THEY ALL ARE!!!!
Name: Se Funny
Email: ha_ha.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 03:49:57 PM
L.O.L [Laugh out Loud]
Name: busted........
Email: gov.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 03:23:55 PM
they could use the new lights and new grader and loader to fix the roads when ozzie takes over, we could use oz tax payers cash for this and they could buy the rock from the local crusher, everyone wins including a couple of senior ministers.thank christ there aint any conflict of interest down town ! just a thought !
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: ya.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 03:15:08 PM
busted bank balance - thank you. You, myself and 99.9999% of Norfolk Island are on the same wave length. To bad esstrue can't see it. The upshot is, and what I was trying to say is Norfolk Island is either bust or not. It is a pity "dem down the town" are misleading the community the way they are. And another question, how often do we have power cuts these days to warrant flood lights???? with or without a generator.
Name: busted bank balance
Email: @norfolk_gov.
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 02:12:59 PM
if any one saw the flood lights in action you will know that it is rediculous overkill for fixing a downed powerline try a generator and spotty from BUNNINGS landed cost under $500..........think there may be another agenda with this purchase ...lets just wait and see.
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 12:47:49 PM
Timittie's Crack - one of us has missed the point - these lights come complete with their own generator - think about it !!
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: ya.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 11:54:46 AM
esstrue - you have totally missed my point. If there's no power, how will the flood lights work??? FYI - I don't use electric blankets nor do I phone the electricity team. Unlike you, I use my head to realise the experts will get to the power cut when they are able to. Finally, I'm not whingeing, I am merely stating the obvious. Back under your rock now :)
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 11:26:09 AM
Timittie's Crack - next time winds blow down power lines in the middle of the night and you are wrapped up warm and snug in bed - spare a thought for those up a pole in the wind trying to get your electric blanket back on. They would otherwise be using a torch in one hand and tools in another and hanging onto the ladder with the other and answering the phone from whingers like you with their other hand.
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: ya.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 08:53:36 AM
Yeah right. 1. How many emergencies do we have? 2. under the current economic climate, who the hell will hire these lights? plus how many outdoor functions does this island have to warrnt using flood lights? or will Norfolk host the Woodstock concert here? Who is ignorant in this case????
Name: positivity
Email: duguud@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2006
Time: 08:06:44 AM
All I can say is that you cah win. If our assembly members hadn't gone to Canberra, then they would be accused of snubbing the Aussie Govt and not communicating , when they do , they are accused of wasting money. If they hadnt purchased these lights, then they would be accused of missing the opportunity and wasting money on less important things.All I can say is that there are 2 sides to every story, and we would be alot better off if people werent so ignorant and negative. Ps If anybody bothered to read the paper, then they will see that the lights will be cost recoverable by being used for community events, and they will be invaluable for emergency situations
Name: G. Turnbull
Email: private_email@bigpond.com@gmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 17 July 2006
Time: 09:39:59 AM
What an interesting site this is, but it conatins some very good debate on issues relating to Australia taking over. I can understand the angst with you islanders especially when we hear on the news that the Australian Embassy over in the middle east are not assisting Australians who are caught up over there. This is shocking and disgusting. Continue to fight against the takeover. If they can ignore their own people in a foreign country, imagine what they will do to you. Stand up and fight for your rights Norfolk Island.
Name: kickemout
Email: kickemout
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 17 July 2006
Time: 07:35:45 AM
I reckon NSL should be renamed to NSBL - Norfolk Stupidity Based Leadership
Name: An Observer
Email: see_the_way-we_se_end_up.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 16 July 2006
Time: 08:37:04 PM
Phillipa you are so right. I, like many islanders are scratching our heads and clutching at straws as in one breath we are told "the island is broke" then in another, [and we read it in the local paper] we have new equipment delivered to the island i.e. a front end loader, then they [the NIG] spend megabucks on 2nd hand flood lights and only God knows why this was done, because none of us have been told. We also hear the executives have been invited to go to Canberra AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR PUBLIC PURSE - yet,........WE ARE BROKE. It is a bloody joke the way the Mickey Mouse show [Norfolk Island Government] is running this place, and it is them who are driving us, and the island under. NOT ONE OF THEM can organise a bun in a bakery. One has to be here in amongst it, to see what I mean. Past and present assemblies have got us in the mess we are in, and far too many of them have and have had over the years, PECUNIARY interests..............2 of them are [current]executives. No wonder the JSC [Joint Standing/Stand over Committee] are continually dip their oar in
Name: Phillipa
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 16 July 2006
Time: 06:39:32 PM
When I look on this forum, all I see is gloom and doom for Norfolk Island and its people. Be happy folks for what you have .....a beautiful place to live. Its so sad that your MP's have not served you well. The island must have surplus reserves of capital to survive, if they don't Australia must step in to see that the place runs a tight budget so that future islanders can still live there and function as a small community must. If there are no jobs there how can you all stay living on the island with no cash to feed your families?
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 16 July 2006
Time: 10:09:04 AM
Oldun, How gude fe see et! As you point out we are suspicious of Canberra's intentions and when they make unilateral decsions about our future our suspicions are confirmed!
Name: Ess Me
Email: ess@nf
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 16 July 2006
Time: 09:55:26 AM
Dear Old Sulun, What a load of crap…… So what your saying is the people who went off island and have bettered their education and life experiences are the reason for Norfolk being in a mess. I guess we should have all stayed on Norfolk, and spent our younger years flying around Kingston all hours of the night doing burnouts and rolling cars. In a few years time, as we start to get a bit older we could spend the majority of our time working for admin finding new and exciting ways to get bored with our work lives. I think if you got off your easy chair and went down to some of the admin sites and have yourself a good look, you would find that some of the people who have never really left Norfolk are just as much to blame as the ones who have. I have worked in admin and I have a very good understanding of who works and who doesn’t, who rips off the system and who puts nothing but blood sweat and tears into their job. some of these people are educated, and some of them are not. There are also some people who work extremely hard, and who put in a lot of extra work/hours and don’t get anything in return except pride and the thought of doing something great for the place they love. I think a lot comes down to the “poor so and so” attitude on Norfolk which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It just means that the people who don’t actually perform get kept on because of “oh….poor so and so, where else would they work?”. However I think anyone who has left Norfolk and worked under the new Australian work laws would find this….. If you don’t perform at 110%, you get on your bike, something you would not experience stopen orn ar rock. Keep gwen yorle.....
Name: I Agree 100%
Email: 100.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Sunday, 16 July 2006
Time: 09:48:28 AM
hear Hear "The Truth"......you have hit the nail on the head. I now I get sick and tired of people talking S**T and running with rumor. This must be a bloody illness for those with nothing better to do. Lift up your carpets and open the closet doors and stop believing BULLS**T and innuendo.
Name: The truth
Email: w@e
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 16 July 2006
Time: 08:17:33 AM
Instead of publicly assuming and running down Admin and the Island, may I suggest that people ask the Airport Manager the reason the lights were purchased? It may save a lot of innuendo, negative vibes and untruths. For once please find out the facts before people publicly rip off the Island. If it is true, then say it, and if it is speculation, then dont. This goes for everything that is said on this forum
Name: Old Resident
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 15 July 2006
Time: 11:19:41 PM
I can't fathom how things have got this bad. If the case of the Lighting purchase of $54,000 is an example can now see why the Government is broke. Norfolk once was a wonderful place till some of those who went off island for years came back and took over the reigns thinking dem know everything (really dem nort). I think it is greed that has ruined Norfolk and too many outsiders allowed in to live tax free at whose expense maybe if yorlye se hit dem with tax maybe the island would have a far healthier bank balance.
Name: Oldun
Email: rock.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 15 July 2006
Time: 05:20:14 PM
I have one more thing to say about our beloved Norfolk. It is NOT really "Our Island" . What Norfolk IS, is 'AWUS HOEM'. We are all only caretakers in the grand scheme of things. I love my home, I love my heritage and it is what is in your heart that counts. Thank you Grayeme I have read the works orders and isn't it wonderful to see "running writing" in INK
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 15 July 2006
Time: 04:38:25 PM
Local phonecalls might pay for it - How much can people keep paying. - MR CHRISTIAN Thank you Mr Speaker, if you can bare with me for a moment. Mr Nobbs introduced the Telecommunications Amendment Bill 2006 at a previous meeting and the purpose of that Bill was to allow for the eventual charging of local calls or the correct legal terminology I suppose is to remove the prohibition on charging for local calls and the effect of this will be to allow the charges to be levied on local calls including mobile calls that commence and terminate in Norfolk Island thereby providing the Government with the ability to vary current international charges. At present the international call charges are very high, by any standards and effectively subsidises local calls. The introduction of a small charge on local usage will provide some room for international call charges to be reduced. In addition Mr Deputy Speaker when the normal G2 mobile phone system is eventually introduced and that may be some time towards the end of August, it will allow us to also charge for the use of the current trunking radio mobile phone system and the intent there is to cause people to migrate from that system to the new system so that the trunking radio system can be dedicated to the emergency services which was always its original intention
Name: call me a cynic..............
Email: downtown@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 15 July 2006
Time: 03:11:41 PM
read this weeks local paper, the gov. has just bought portable flood lights for $54,000 using the electricity fund and the airport fund!(im sure the gov. run airline could use that cash to prop up its losses) sure they will be handy in an emergency and for playing football at night, they even suggest they will hire them out to make the money back, how long will this take. norfolk has managed ok so far without these lights and now is not the time to be spending this sort of cash on this sort of thing...is this the best they can do? but thats ok because the nsl will fix everything soon PIGS ARSE!!!! also note the gov. has announced that they now have a name for their airline....wait for it....Norfolk Air !!!! wooppeeee....how much time and our money did it take for them to come up with that radical, sweeping decision? BLOODY BRILLIANT!!!!!!c'mon aussie c'mon
Name: naaaaaaaaaa
Email: naaaaaaaaaaa
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 15 July 2006
Time: 10:45:21 AM
"the queen of aussie bashers" didnt seem as vocal when, until recently ,one of her sons held a full time national parks job on the island, paid by ,you guested it ,the ever faithfull aussie tax payer ! HIPOCRACY ABOUNDS ON NORFOLK ISLAND !!!
Name: Joe
Email: @ease
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 09:02:21 PM
RE: "...the "Queen" of Aussie Bashers, on that ridiculous "Angels and Eagles" website. Pure propaganda at its best."<><><> Grayeme, just a brief heads-up to advise that the person you describe as 'the "Queen" of Aussie Bashers'; is one of the finest gifts Canberra ever presented to Norfolk. She is in fact living proof of Canberra's bona fides, in terms of the Feds duty of care, re. providing education professionals of exceptional quality to Norfolk over the years. Mary was one of Australia's top English teachers - warmly recognized by her peers in the profession, as such - & became a Norfolk Islander in the most sincere manner possible; by wedlock to an Islander. That you should describe her site as "ridiculous" & "pure propaganda", speaks volumes about YOUR redneck-ignorance; & nothing whatsoever as to the merits of the site. Mary, like a fine wine, your literary skills & insights into the Norfolk v. Canberra dialectic, just keep improving with the years - please keep up the good work.<><><> cf.Name: Grayeme Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au Country: Australia Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 Time: 06:57:55 PM
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 08:13:40 PM
Here's another bit of news for those with Google Earth on their computers. Norfolk Island has now been set in High Resolution. Take a look. http://earth.google.com/
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 07:13:25 PM
OLDUN set me thinking about the struggles that have beset Norfolk over the years. Back in the early days all Public Works on the Island was done by a roster system of all men over the age of 18 years. Each man had to perform 3 days a month in community service. If they failed to attend they were fined 4 shillings, so everyone did their duty because most never had 4 shillings to pay the fine. The rosters were drawn up by the Council of Elders each month or at times after bad weather when things needed urgent attention. Copies of the original rosters and where they were to work are at the National Archives Australia. The ones I am linking are from 1899, there are 64 pages you can read, and all the names of those men are listed in their gangs. A great trip back in time for the descendants of those men. The link will open directly to page one and make sure you click the little "Enlarge button" at the top to make them easy to read. I hope you enjoy. http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8118703&I=1&SE=0
Name: Yep
Email: lLoveNI@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 06:40:59 PM
OLDUN, Thats the best comment Ive seen in ages! Sure beats Norlarnen & Damn Yank going at it hammer and tongs.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 06:19:39 PM
Dear OLDEN - You just wrote 150 years of history in 5 lines, everyone should read that post and read it again, very slowly. God Bless you and I hope your remaining years can be a little easier.
Name: OLDUN
Email: rock.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 05:11:07 PM
I beg to differ on the statement that the Mainland has done little for us. We have refused a lot of help that was made available by being "pig headed" or maybe suspicious of the intention. It was suggested the Army as an exercise build us a wharf. No thanks was our reply Why did we say no ? We have at times been our own worst enemy...... We have taken when it suited us and been up ourselves and thumbed our noses when it didn't. I am a fair way through my time now and yes I miss "the old days" but every generation says that. What I wish is for Norfolk not to struggle and give up this bitterness that abounds. Norfolk will be here long after I have gone but the happiness I have always known to exist on Norfolk is in short supply. We cannot make ends meet. See the light and move on Good luck all Ucklan
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 03:25:18 PM
This question is intended simply to provoke some thought. Norfolk Island is very dependant on the Tourist Dollar to be sustainable. Tourism has changed dramatically in this area of the world in recent years, particularly with the introduction of cheap airfares on mainland Australia. As 80% of Norfolks tourist come from Aussie, that means they are now in there competing with destinations like the Red Centre - Snowfields - Barrier Reef and Whitsundays - Tasmania - Gold Coast and the list goes on. All these destinations have unique qualities and are highly geared for the tourist dollar. But most importantly, they are within reach of most population centres for no more than a couple hundred dollars. For example, I can fly from Brisbane to the Whitsundays for $59 almost anytime I like to go. All these destinations without the worry of going outside our own security blanket. Now my question is this. WHAT DOES NORFOLK ISLAND HAVE THAT IS SO UNIQUE - THAT MAINLANDERS WILL PAY THE EXTRA DOLLARS TO GO SEE IT ?????. As I said, just a thread for thought, no malice intended.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 12:22:48 PM
Food For Thought, The bottom line is that the cash flow that is generated by tourism is just not there right now, any short term solutions to the financial problem need to be directed towards generating more tourist dollars. Long term solutions need to focus on diversifying away from Tourism, but there are obvious limitations, any kind of exports need to account for our limited resources and environmental impact, a high cost of production and high freight costs. But there are opportunities - they just weren't developed because the tourist dollar was easier. Roxanne, To let Norfolk "go under" as you put it wouldn't matter much to the beaucrats in Canberra. Norfolk's value to them is not dependent on our standard of living which is why they have done little for us till now. As for MLA's allying themselves with Canberra, well thats a whole other point. As you would expect, there will be some and they will only be doing what they were voted in to do - which is to say there are pro Australian voters in the electorate who will have voted these people in - what can you say - one of the faults of the system! Grayeme, that was a joke. BTW, Your way of figuring things out sure has a few faults but it could really save some time and money in Australia. I suggest you take your system to the Election Commission in Canberra and instead of having a General Election next time around have a couple of foreigners, say some Brits, go down to Westfield one afternoon and ask a few people what they think and then use that as the basis for completely overhauling your system of government. I mean why bother involving your elected representatives, or even more ridiculous hold an actual referendum! Paul, Of course I accept your apology.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 14 July 2006
Time: 02:18:13 AM
An apology to Narlarnen...///I humbly apologize for the use of any degrading personal terms such as "Not Learning", "coward", etc.///I was dead wrong to include such terms and part of being a gentleman requires me to apologize.///I do not apologize for my personal opinion/s.///You must also know that I do not support every decision my government makes just as I hope that you do not support every decision that NIG makes.///I wish no hurt on you.///So you can either accept my apology or spit on it...I suppose that depends on how many apologies you have received in your life.///I am REALLY out the door headed to the beach now!///Paul///PS to Darls en Colin, we will be proudly wearing our "Norfolk Island" T-shirts to Chincoteague and Assateague! :)
Name: ¿¿¿¿
Email: @risk_of_globalized_structural_violence
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 08:10:24 PM
Geoff, you run your own race brud - but the opposition is so far below YOUR league; intellectually, ethically, & in terms of rational, evidence-based, cogent argument; that you're selling yourself short mate - shooting fish in a barrel. 'Broken Record' has made - & sealed - the case for the counter-argument with eloquence, wit, cogency & gentlemanly respect for the right to express an opposing point of view. But then again, like yourself, he's indubitably, an Islander. Se taim fe lubbee Brud - yu se du dem oel sullun doun a toun proued.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 07:52:42 PM
Have a great break Paul and Mon.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 07:50:24 PM
Change of pace for those interested. Many of you may be aware of the Rootsweb Lists on the Net. They are basically Family/History forums for particular areas and subjects of interest, and there are thousands of them. One was set up for Norfolk Island in 1999, but fell into disuse for quite a time. Since March there has been a renewed interest in the forum and there is quite a lot of good discussion on the forum since then. Much of this I attribute to the involvement on the list by Liz McCoy on Norfolk Island who works for Kavha and is doing a great job from her end. The discussion on historical matters concerning Norfolk is very interesting. You wil have to register to be able to post, but you can browse the archives without registration. Open the link and scroll to the bottom and clickm on "browse archives". Enjoy. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NORFOLK-IS.html
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 07:18:49 PM
You are correct Greyme, It is 4:18 AM/Thursday morning here in Virginia. Morla, we travel to Chincoteague Island / Assateague Island for our four-day vacation. I suppose I was waiting to debate some great warrior, but encountered a false prophet. God only knows what allegations he will froth behind my back whilst we are away. I really should get some sleep... Best regards, Paul
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 07:06:46 PM
Paul, just let it go, you will get nowhere arguing with him. Your opinions and input to the forum is always appreciated and will be in the future. As I said in my last post to Norlarnen, "I don't know where he is coming from. Now he has concerns because "Darls" and others don't appear to agree with him. "Oh shock horror". I certainly won't be stopping my posting on the forum because of him or anyone else that can't get their own way so resort to degrading and abusing fellow forumites. When I was on Norfolk in March, I spoke with lots of people about the situation, Islanders of Pitcairn origin, NZ and ex-Aus. I can say that by far , the majority, a huge majority in fact where of the opinion that Australia must act and they were hoping they would do a proper job of it, all the way. Now "Norlarnen" can come in here now and call me "Liar" a "Fabricator of Facts" he can call me what he likes and try to discredit me. Thats the easy way out. But no matter what he says, the reality is that nothing changes what I know I heard, and all those Islanders who said it know what they said and how they feel, so he just discredits himself even further in the long run. I for one certainly could not be bothered to enter any further debate with him on the forum. His line is getting pretty "OLD HAT"
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 05:26:14 PM
I never posted under such an "????" alias...cross my heart and hope to die. You are once again lying 'Not Learning'. I swear to my God you are... I am not as candid as you...
Name: Damn Yank
Email: Tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 05:12:40 PM
"no learning", Amen and bless you! I attempted a one-on-one showdown, but my counterpart was not able to the allow the fair one-on-one battle...its either his way or the highway!///You are exactly correct! I tried to make this personal to deal with "Not Learning" away from here, but "Not Learning" demands islander support as well as Aussie support (only when it comes to me) here and only here...he needs your support if you are willing to provide it on the sole basis that he is an "islander" away from home.../// I do not possess "Not Learning's" advantage. I am a foreigner away from home...exposed and not hiding///Best regards,/// DY/// P.S. I will be gone for the next week in case "Not Learning" decides to continue his public trashing campaign, but will respond ASAP...
Name: no learning
Email: @tattlerville
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 04:08:41 PM
you 2 should meet up and have it out or shut the f*** up for a while .....doing our bloody heads in!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 02:38:56 PM
I am "ALL OVER" you alleged '{islander}', I sat here by my screen awaiting your cowardice presence! It is TOO LATE for negotiation. You cannot handle me one-on-one. "You are all over the place, while it has been fun to wind you up and see you 'to off' it is getting a bit old. I will leave you with this, posted by you a couple of days ago: 'I think if you had researched the other "outing himself and his dirty laundry in here in less than a month" posting, your BIG "islander" BRAIN would see that he was also me' i.e. you have also posted in here as "????"... Hey you froshic debating punk...it appears that you no grasp at straws. Make your point...so far you have failed and NO-ONE is following you! Yes, I mentioned one day of the sacrifices of my grandfather and my uncle and myself...the next time I mentioned MUTALLY EXCLUSLIVE military stories concerning my FATHER and MYSELF...YOUR POINT, "NOT LEARNING"? "You remain 'all over the place', "Not Learning"...even in your own battlefield that you INSIST on maintaining. You remain unable to e-mail me fair and balanced, you coward! I demand you to sport on how MY country is RESPONSIBLE for the NI/OZ dilemma, sir! I will be away until Monday, but PROMISE to answer any of your sickened initiated attempts to brawl word-for-word verbatim by the end of next week! Your hate is so bad that you did not have the manhood to debate me one-on-one in neutral territory. You still remain disabled to answer the aforementioned, sir. Do you HATE Australia? Many non-Yank persons desire response... DY
Name: Tattler
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 02:38:20 PM
I so awaited "Not Learning's" e-mail and got this! He is a jerk! Paul
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 02:08:42 PM
I am "ALL OVER" you alleged '{islander}', I sat here by my screen awaiting your cowardice presence! It is TOO LATE for negotiation. You cannot handle me one-on-one. "You are all over the place, while it has been fun to wind you up and see you 'to off' it is getting a bit old. I will leave you with this, posted by you a couple of days ago: 'I think if you had researched the other "outing himself and his dirty laundry in here in less than a month" posting, your BIG "islander" BRAIN would see that he was also me' i.e. you have also posted in here as "????"... Hey you froshic debating punk...it appears that you no grasp at straws. Make your point...so far you have failed and NO-ONE is following you! Yes, I mentioned one day of the sacrifices of my grandfather and my uncle and myself...the next time I mentioned MUTALLY EXCLUSLIVE military stories concerning my FATHER and MYSELF...YOUR POINT, "NOT LEARNING"? "You remain 'all over the place', "Not Learning"...even in your own battlefield that you INSIST on maintaining. You remain unable to e-mail me fair and balanced, you coward! I demand you to sport on how MY country is RESPONSIBLE for the NI/OZ dilemma, sir! I will be away until Monday, but PROMISE to answer any of your sickened initiated attempts to brawl word-for-word verbatim by the end of next week! Your hate is so bad that you did not have the manhood to debate me one-on-one in neutral territory. You still remain disabled to answer the aforementioned, sir. Do you HATE Australia? Many non-Yank persons desire response... DY
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 01:44:52 PM
DY, You are all over the place, while it has been fun to wind you up and see you "go off" it is getting a bit old. I will leave you with this, posted by you a couple of days ago: "I think if you had researched the other "outing himself and his dirty laundry in here in less than a month" posting, your BIG "islander" BRAIN would see that he was also me" i.e. you have also posted in here as "????", now I am wondering what will be J'C's reaction, ie. "May the Almighty Jesus Christ strike me dead if I have recently posted here under some false alias, sir". And another " I do not ever recall ever insulting you", then I suggest you refer to you posting Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006, Time: 04:52:17 PM. I won't write to your personal email, you are already enough off track in here and I really only care about Norfolk, not the US and everything else you prattle about. Darls, all the best to you en Colin, Ill get back to you soon.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 01:04:52 PM
Derar Sir, I am so disappointed by your weak response, Mr. "Not Learning". You really do not learn...you only PREACH hatred, sir. You remain too cowardly to take this offline betwixt you and I and continue the demand of the Norfolk Island audience in hopes that your rally will be backed by blood. I have brought no other Americans here to back me and remain alone...very well, sir...as you desire. You cannot face me man to man and have already proven that you are obviously some sort of froshic college boy who hasn't the ability to run for political office to even make a difference and is therefore confined to this forum. You have too much time on your hands as a leftist-radical and the inability to form a majority on the rock of your own ancestry, sir./// "Damn Yank, You are being too sensitive, but then this kind of Nationalism and love for ones country is exactly what is needed to be prepared to go to war so I shouldn't expect anything less. I am not going to go into your rants here suffice to say you can post under various names in here but the same person comes through in the end.": May the Almighty Jesus Christ strike me dead if I have recently posted here under some false alias, sir.///"Your friends who have suffered horrific domestic terrorism through allying themselves with you (Madrid and London) know exactly what I am talking about when I say being a good friend to the US has its price.": My "allies" remain by my side and committed, sir...we once fought and died for them in several wars and now they fight and die for the right of their own existance against muslim extremist terrorism, sir...something that you have been protected from...probably from the Aussies that you hate. Do you condone negotiation with OSB?///"Canberra are certainly aware of the risks it runs in being what has often been called in Australian and international media as a US ass kisser and I maintain that this is in large part the reason for Canberra's unilateral decsion to take over Norfolk.": Your sorry worthless carcass has NOTHING to do with Canberra and you remain nothing more than an Aussie-bashing hatred freak that will certainly not bring them to defend "NOT LEARNING" in his time of need! You HATE Australia and have stated it many ways so don't you even DARE ask them for your support now that you have been exposed! You brought on this little quarrel yourself so it is just YOU and ME, sir!/// "It is futile for you to refute that the influence of the US and its policies have a far reaching effect, regardless of whether George Bush knows about it or not." I promise ye' boy, George Bush knows NOTHING about the rock on the other side O' the planet in which you claim to be an "Islader" and defend against only God knows! I DEMAND that you PROVE that Australia's annexation over Norfolk Island REMAINS my government's fault! I am ready to debate you into oblivion!/// "This is a life and death situation for Norfolk in many respects. People on both sides of the fence will be passionate but we need a much higher level of maturity in this discussion if we care a damn about Norfolk and her future. I for one am curious about Darlene and Living Amongst its opinion that the majority of people on island disgree with what I have maintained for several weeks in here; that Norfolk deserves a greater say in any changes that happen.": You are preaching to the choir, sir! I have literally been griping to my own countrymen to follow this process on your alleged Island's behalf! I actually initially learned a LOT from your postings, but lately find myself defending America's Iraq policy as a side-track to Norfolk Island's dilemma instead. I REALLY expect you to EXPOUND on how MY country is RESPONSIBLE for the NI/OZ dilemma, sir! I will be away until Monday, but PROMISE to answer any of your sickened initiated attempts to brawl word-for-word verbatim by the end of next week! Your hate is so bad that you did not have the manhood to debate me one-on-one in neutral territory. I plead with you (if you even care about this forum) to take this debate one-on-one and away from here for the sake of this forum . This is NOT about the USA and your feuling the fire only proves that you do not give a rat's carcass about this forum! E-mail me and I will put you in your place as you demand, sir! Narlarnen, you have some explaining to do for bringing me into this and you also neglected to address every single counter-point of my last posting. "If you are grown up enough to state your position, argue it and stand by it or if persausive enough a counter argument is made then be mature enough to change. I am still waiting for that." Well Mr. Not Learning...please expound...I remain here for the next few hours...just for you, sir!
Name: food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 12:42:49 PM
Say if Norfolk keeps it's independence, what are the plans to get her out of debt and out of the mess the Island already is in? Do they have a plan of attack? Because if the Island is successful in keeping it's independence, then they should have some plan rather than crossing the bridge when it comes! This is where you need to have trustworthy members in the NI government that can do the job properly. Because in the end, they are either going to make or break the Island!
Name: Darls
Email: @hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 12:33:59 PM
Geoff - if you are curious about me, then send an email. You have my address. I would like to know exactly what you mean by your comment in this regard.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 11:57:06 AM
Damn Yank, You are being too sensitive, but then this kind of Nationalism and love for ones country is exactly what is needed to be prepared to go to war so I shouldn't expect anything less. I am not going to go into your rants here suffice to say you can post under various names in here but the same person comes through in the end. Your friends who have suffered horrific domestic terrorism through allying themselves with you (Madrid and London) know exactly what I am talking about when I say being a good friend to the US has its price. Canberra are certainly aware of the risks it runs in being what has often been called in Australian and international media as a US ass kisser and I maintain that this is in large part the reason for Canberra's unilateral decsion to take over Norfolk. It is futile for you to refute that the influence of the US and its policies have a far reaching effect, regardless of whether George Bush knows about it or not. This is a life and death situation for Norfolk in many respects. People on both sides of the fence will be passionate but we need a much higher level of maturity in this discussion if we care a damn about Norfolk and her future. I for one am curious about Darlene and Living Amongst its opinion that the majority of people on island disgree with what I have maintained for several weeks in here; that Norfolk deserves a greater say in any changes that happen.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 08:19:33 AM
Good Morning everyone, I hope this morning finds everyone in good health! What if..Australia does have Norfolk's best interest at heart (be it that it is in their best interest as well). It would serve no purpose, as Norfolk is Australia's most eastern defence point in the case of war, to let Norfolk "go under". Wouldn't it be more financially viable for Australia to ensure that "everything is up & running" in this senario. What if....those Assembly members making themselves available to Canberra are actually allying "themselves" with Canberra. The question has often been asked whose best interest some members have at heart! These thoughts have been voiced as a topic for debate & in no way to be sarcastic or vindictive. Be Well.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 07:07:49 AM
"...cheap shots made by Paul": What cheap shots? I do not ever recall ever insulting you. I actually agree with some of your comments on the NIG, etc. I have even referred to you as the FIRST forumer whose postings we used to enjoy years ago" when I accidently arrived here. There was a time that I looked up to you, but those days have now passed./// "To guess and then judge any writers personal history and motivations for their submission and then use it to discredit their point is to miss the point of a forum such as this entirely.": Perhaps you did not comprehend the POINT of volunteering my background as well as the background of my family, i.e, a few GOOD DEEDS of sacrifice that my country, my family, and myself have accomplished for the good of lesser fortunate nations in contradiction to the sea of Yank-bashing comments that you feel so free to froth on over your keyboard. Indeed, that was no "cheap shot" or misuse of pointless information as you accuse./// "If you are grown up enough to state your position argue it and stand by it or if persausive enough a counter argument is made then be mature enough to change. I am still waiting for that.": I did argue it...I stated a few GOOD things that my country has done amongst your sea of Yank-bashing comments and you were not "grown up enough" to comprehend the purpose of that content. Do you need to borrow my "pacifier", sir?/// "To further spit your pacifier out and storm out of the forum because you disagree with someone elses opinion is simply infantile.": Face it Norlarnen...YOU single-handedly dominate this forum...certainly as the most frequent poster and you are free to do so just as I have the same right to "storm out of the forum" whenever you spit on my country with your Yank-bashing comments of hatred. I can find a forum much closer to home if I want to be hated! Also, I respect this forum and its people enough that I refuse to trash it up with pro-American counters to everyone of your Yank-bashing comments. This forum is about NORFOLK ISLAND and not my country. I come here to learn about YOUR culture and already know MY own culture and MY own sullen much better than you will ever know, sir./// If you want a fair and balanced debate in an environment that will not trash up this forum, you already have MY e-mail address...
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 03:17:39 AM
I have never purported to be anyone, islander or not, on island or not as has been construed by the cheap shots made by Paul and Grayeme. I have simply stated my opinion. Never having said I speak for all Islanders or non islanders for that matter. The beauty of this forum and any open forum on the internet is that what is said stands on it's own, regardless of who says it. To guess and then judge any writers personal history and motivations for their submission and then use it to discredit their point is to miss the point of a forum such as this entirely. To further spit your pacifier out and storm out of the forum because you disagree with someone elses opinion is simply infantile. If you are grown up enough to state your position argue it and stand by it or if persausive enough a counter argument is made then be mature enough to change. I am still waiting for that. I, like everyone else in here speak for myself. That doesn't make me right or wrong, but in posting I hope there are some who can see some truth in what I have said. Again, contray to what Grayeme said "I am sorry, but I do not see anything in the Norfolk Island Act that gives any "Legitimate claim to Norfolk Island by the islanders". Quite the opposite really. http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/NorfolkGov/NorfolkIsland79.pdf Just pointing out the Facts." READ IT!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2006
Time: 03:09:59 AM
Thank you Darls and Islander Living Amongst It All, Your friendship and tolerance are greatly cherished and appreciated. Paul en Monica
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 10:32:46 PM
Thanks for all the support friends. Karen, the Handsards are on the Norfolk Island Government Website. From the Homepage click on "Legislation", then click on "Handsards" and then click on "11th" which is all the Handsard for the 11th Assembly. You can then open them by date of meeting. Enjoy.
Name: Karen
Email: @aus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 07:50:30 PM
Grayeme - or anyone, where do you find the Handsards you are talking about ??
Name: Darls
Email: @hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 05:12:57 PM
Paul en Monica - you are our friends and I would like to apologise on behalf of those who have driven you away from this forum. Like us all - you have every right to your opinion and like me, you always sign your name. Please don't be put off by the minority. The same for you as well Grayeme. Both Colin and I want to thank you wonderful people for taking the trouble to read this forum and to have such informative and constructive input. Paul - please continue with your entries. Love to you en Monica.
Name: Islander living amongst it all
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 04:13:32 PM
Thank you Grayeme & Damn Yank [Paul en Monica] for your excellent input. We need heaps more people like yorlye on this forum. There are heaps of us here on Norfolk Island who don't appreciate the rhetoric written by people purporting to be islanders who don't even live on the island and are speaking on behalf of everyone. I, along with many others here don't appreciate one or two people speaking on beahlf of all of us. We are the ones living here on Norfolk Island and know exactly what is going on and a great deal of us say "come on Aussie come on". It has been said several times, and that is blind freddy can see we are in a mess - so for those Islanders living overseas speaking out for all of us,....by all means have your say and your say only, but PLEASE stop speaking on everyone's behalf. We nor like ett.
Name: pa
Email: A@b
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 12:39:06 PM
well said Norlarnen. You have got the facts and they have the rhetoric
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 05:26:09 AM
Grayeme, Stay on topic and stop demeaning yourself by using slander and innuendo to discredit me personally. Stick with the issues being discussed! Answer all of the points raised in my first response to you earlier today, or is it inconvenient? I am guessing that when the truth is on your side you won't feel so compelled to ignore the points raised. For example: I do not read the Hansards, but I do know that the NIG - as a whole has not been involved in the process of deciding what lies ahead for Norfolk. It would be absolute stupidity to believe that individual Ministers invited to Canberra amounted to the Norfolk Island Government being involved in the process. My call is that Canberra is trying find out who on the Assembly will ally themselves with them. They have tried to get away with as little as possible as far as working with the NIG as is evident until now. If they really want to involve us then why oh why do we need to go to Canberra, individually or as a group, come to Norfolk and speak with the government - publicly.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 12 July 2006
Time: 12:49:27 AM
Grayeme, You are indeed a brave one to go out on a limb for us and it is greatly appreciated. If it were anyone other than Narlarnen, it would be easier to weather the storm. We would like to meet yorlye and our Norfolk Island friends in person as well someday...perhaps half-way in Hawaii! I doubt that George Bush even knows of the existance of Norfolk Island's paradise, much less to conspire with Aussie for its annexation. I am the first to admit that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed by any means, nor are many of the other world leaders. Narlarnen was the very first NI forum personality that we used to enjoy years ago when I accidentally stumbled on http://www.nf when I was trying to type http://www.nfl.com to check the score of my beloved New England Patriots as I pushed the "enter" button too soon! Either fate or stupidity brought us here, although I have always wondered if my Y-DNA matches that of Ensign Abel William Dotten Best of the Royal Army's Norfolk Penal Colony...fascinating reading...all of that service just to end up KIA in India. I suppose we have read more about Norfolk Island than anyone else in all of Virginia. Oh well...it can take years to build a friendship and only seconds to destroy one. This is our last posting for a while as this forum is and should remain primarily about Norfolk Island and nothing else. Perhaps we will post again in August... Best regards, Paul en Monica
Name: Ho Hum
Email: Joke.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 11:44:23 PM
There are some old sayings that are applicable to Norlarnen. A closed mind is a dangerous one Fools rush in Don't bite the hand that feeds you Need I go on. Grayeme has given us wonderful sites to visit, all to do with truth and has never been disrespectful to anyone re Norfolk. Oh and Norlarnen this is one for you THE TRUTH HURTS
Name: Brian
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 11:26:29 PM
Maybe yorlye should make an effort and be informed as Grayeme is, this information is available online so make use of that service, like he does. Thanks for all the info great to read.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 08:46:05 PM
Norlarnen - This is my last say on this. You are constantly saying that Norfolk Islanders or NIG are not involved in discussions at this stage with what is happening from the Australian end. Well, I read the Hansard from every NIG Legislative Assembly meeting, and at every recent meeting some member has been absent as they are in Canberra in discussions with various Ministers and Departments. Ron Nobbs was away when the "coup" started, he was in Canberra. Brown was away the last meeting, he was in Canberra. Obviously there is a lot of discussion, actually all the discussion, lately centre's around the current problems. I hope you don't come back at me saying they fudge the Hansards.
Name: Joe
Email: @attention
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 08:43:09 PM
Geoff, you represent the BEST of our people's character; hang in there Brud, stand on your principles & don't allow people (who may well think of themselves as well meaning); BUT, who know Jack-Schitt about the REAL Norfolk, to blindside you. Stegs & Doods would be proud of you. No more need be said.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 08:09:22 PM
You are a champion of distortion of the facts "Norlarnen". I have never said I could not care whatever happens to Norfolk. What I have said repeatedly is - "I have nothing to gain or lose whatever happens" A big difference to not caring. As to badmouthing, no, merely stating the facts as I see them with total unbias.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 07:56:41 PM
Grayeme, I am quite disappointed that you have degraded yourself to the point of bad mouthing instead of sticking with the issues, but it just goes to show that in spite of your professed unbias and not caring either way you see those of us who are against the unilateral take over by Canberra as Aussie bashers and haters and not real islanders etc. I should clarify again, I have not proposed an exclusive ISLANDER only future, only that - again - Islanders have a legitimate claim to the island and should be involved in the process from the development of the solution, NOT choose A or B. Now why oh why are you getting upset with that? Everyone knows I believe in the rights of Norfolk Islanders to Norfolk - now how about you dear Grayeme?, you hide behind not caring either way so why do you resort to name calling in defense of your flimsy promises and assurances?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 06:57:55 PM
Don't let it upset you "Damn Yank". The rubbish "Norlarnen" goes on with is not worthy of responding to. He just repeats the garbage almost word for word that is posted by the "Queen" of Aussie Bashers, on that ridiculous "Angels and Eagles" website. Pure propaganda at its best. I hope you and Monica don't hold true to your threat! As I would like to meet up with you and Mon on Norfolk sometime and have a great time with some real Islanders I know your friends with. We won't have to worry about "Norlarnen" as he don't even live on Norfolk.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 04:52:17 PM
I gave "a toss" until Narlarnen's hatred crap polluted my brain, As always YOU, Narlarnen are correct and the rest of us 'non-islanders' have to rot in your purgatory as long as you remain the "islander" and as long as all else remains the way it is. Here, it only matters that YOU are an "islander" and then everyione else is wrong! I think if you had researched the other "outing himself and his dirty laundry in here in less than a month" posting, your BIG "islander" BRAIN would see that he was also me. I do believe that I previously answered one of your Yank-trash postings. God, what I would not do for a "fair and unbalanced" debate in a world debate, sir. I cannot get that here... Enjoy your hate and everything else you stand for, Narlarnen!
Name: Brian
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 04:12:11 PM
Who gives a toss what happens to Norfolk Island. If the place had been run properly over the years it wouldn't be in such a state. Just goes to show when you vote in monkeys to run the place you take the consequence. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves now the time has come to pay for your mistakes, pay tax like the rest of us that's the only way the island can keep running.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 04:09:04 PM
WOW, A second former U.S. Army Private outing himself and his dirty laundry in here in less than a month, has to be a record, even for this forum! Terrorism, whether legitimised by one's government or not are a reality these days. But is it a legitimate reason for trampling on our rights such as we are seeing on Norfolk? Nice to see another sincere and concise posting by Mary to her blog today. Have a nice day orl yorley!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 03:53:33 PM
Narlarnen...hate me...I am NUMB! Its not just that the WORLD hates us for meddling in such affairs as WMD, North Korea's nukes, etc. I was once a soldier that REALLY tried to honor this command. I served in 1991 in the attempt to liberate the Shias and Kurds back then...my government did not finish the job then...finally, SOMEONE came and at least attempted to do the job...the arrest of Saddam. I never received the ORDER to "win the war" that I fought when I was a soldier...NEVER! I did receive college tuition reimbursement for my services in the "EVIL" US Army's meddling on Saddam's attempt to sack Kuwait, Iran, the Middle East, etc. My breadwinning father (a Korean War veteran who probably had no business being involved in North Korea's attemppt to sack South Korea) died when I was 12 years of age, so I needed to acquire college funding by either risking my life in the "U.S. Empire's Forces" or oh well...there was no better alternative since my life was not important. I was nothing and no-one else cared. "Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it" I am officially NUMB to the hurt! I was a "regular contributor", but the second Norfolk Island hates some damn Yank for being the sole cause of its annexation by Oz...I simply cannot compete with that...again, its all the fault of the "evil USA". I have preached the freedom of Norfolk Island to everyone that I have met in the USA that was ever willing to listen if that counts. Please...out of ALL of the faults of the USA, PLEASE refrain from labeling my country as the reason that Norfolk Island gets annexed by Oz. This simply is not so. No more hate is necessary...I know where I stand... Paul
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 02:49:11 PM
Paul, You are over reacting to the extreme that it is hardly worth responding because you have skewed my meaning beyond recognition. That you are regular contributor and someone who has often posted meaningful and sincere posts I am responding. It is a fact that Australia is somewhat exposed with Norfolk operating as it does. This exposure is much greater due to the Australian alliance with the US. This has nothing to do with a purported US World Domination etc, left wing paranoia etc.. Canberra recognises just how important Norfolk is placed geographically as US Generals did in the 40's when they built the airstrip here.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 02:23:27 PM
"You choose to ignore my point that this is all driven by Australias desire to gain control of Norfolk Island due to it exposing itself through its political and military alliance with the U.S." Dearest Narlarnen, If it helps, my country's news as well as the BBC American-hating news has even neglected to report the 'USA's World Domination plan to rule and takeover Norfolk Island though our Aussie allies'. Most idiotic (and I do mean "IDIOTIC") Yanks do not even know of the existance of your beautiful island of paradise on the other side of the planet. Please enlighten us of how our own country is the sparking fuse of "Aussie's" alleged plan to takeover your paradise'... We now promise you this...We will NEVER visit Norfolk Island as tourists out of being hated before we arrive! If we go there, you have already insured that we will be hated as damn Yanks before we even arrive...you have sealed our fate! Congratulations, sir! Congratulations sir...we will now proceed to spread the word of our experience of how damn Yanks are treated in YOUR neck of the woods...i.e., don't go there...they hate us! We have always treated Aussies and Tahitians as GOLD in the past whenever we have met them in our country. When I was a 24 year-old Private in the US Army with hardly any funds to spend, I paid for a round of drinks for a group of Aussie Army soldiers that entered one of our taverns just out of respect. We always loved and defended Norfolk Island's history the second we discovered it, but you have PERSONALLY soured everything and finished us off with your Yank-bashing negativity! We hope that God delivers to you PERSONALLY and EXACTLY what YOU deserve Narlarnen. God help you and your those that HATE others that LOVE you the same way as we tried! HATE USA! Later... Paul and Monica
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Time: 01:09:45 PM
Grayeme, You may be aware of what the Norfolk Island Act says, but you clearly don't understand it, or the point I have made. Simply that the Norfolk Island Act recognises Norfolk Islanders claim to the island. Nothing more, your rambling about the success or not of the L.A. is irrelevant. My point remains the same, Norfolk Islanders MUST be involved in the process beyond what has happened until now - enquiries and surveys which quite plainly can be skewed to provide desired results do not count as being involved. I maintain that Canberra have decided what the desired result shall be and that is obvious from the "process" that you keep touting. You seem to be disputing my charge that we are witnessing an elaborate system of propaganda and say that the Australian Government have not decided what they plan to do, then why are they trying to sell the take over? with fancy brochures and the publishing of padded financial reports etc.? Why have they not involved out elected representatives in the developing of the process? You choose to ignore my point that this is all driven by Australias desire to gain control of Norfolk Island due to it exposing itself through its political and military alliance with the U.S. I maintain that this is the REAL reason all of this is happening - Canberra would not otherwise care as they haven't for most of the last 150 years. As for Australia will protect us from a 3rd World Existance? We have your word that the standard of living on Norfolk will not be less than Mainland Australia? What is this worth? Who are you to make such a promise? What will you do about it? Not to mention I have travelled in parts of Australia (Redfern in Sydney and most of the Northern Territory come to mind but I expect there are plenty more) where the standard of living was abysmal. Will the Australian Government subsidise fuel, electricity, food? Of course not. As for "Norfolk Island is 5 weeks older than Australia" Don't think the readers of the forum or anyone interested in this issue will believe this is any grounds for Canberra doing us any favours. I think you will also find a lot of people in Australia believe your country to have been inhabited alot longer but this seems to fit with your paternal white perspective of how the Norfolk Island issue should be handled - without Norfolk Islanders having a real voice and input setting the agenda which ultimately affects the outcome - don't want those pasky islanders getting in the way now do we. If my views on the issue which reflect my love of Norfolk and our right to maintain a say in what happens on Norfolk are to be construed as Aussie bashing then you are either too biased or have an agenda, perhaps we another mole...
Name: jolly roger
Email: joketown@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 July 2006
Time: 09:36:52 PM
calm down prove it,you obviously know who you are !!!
Name: prove it
Email: proof_needed.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 July 2006
Time: 08:03:13 PM
Okay - if there are so many and you have the guts to mention it on here, then have the guts to name them! There is far too much rah rah and innuendo but no one has the guts to go all the way and provide proof.
Name: jolly roger
Email: joketown@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 July 2006
Time: 02:46:15 PM
and all those who run their own side line buisnesses from work at admin........there are many !!!!!
Name: crime wave
Email: norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 July 2006
Time: 01:50:50 PM
There will be a crime wave before too long that will hit norfolk as poverty increases, and people cant afford to pay their bills........Government is heading in the wrong direction..... START CLEANING UP ADMIN for GODS SAKE......CULL some of the money hungry top positions.... wont need the bloody NSL or AUSSIE ..... figure it out you dumb d#$ks down there
Name: I Agree
Email: @
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 July 2006
Time: 06:48:50 AM
Well done to Paradise Dweller. I agree 100% and also urge Norfolk Island people to NOT REGISTER for NSL. Wait for Aussie to take over and watch the NIG duck for cover.
Name: paradise dweller
Email: rockyroad@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 09 July 2006
Time: 08:42:10 PM
and customs duty up and bloody nsl.......sorry cant afford it`!!rumour has it that only a handful of people have actually registered for the nsl so if we all make a stand and do not register then they will have no choice but to drop it.I PLEAD DO NOT REGISTER FOR THIS CRIPPLING TAX !!!!!!!!!!NSL IS NOT THE WAY FORWARD!!!!!!
Name: kickemout
Email: kickemout
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 09 July 2006
Time: 06:56:28 PM
notice that this finance minister has the same mindset as the last one, when the going gets tough put the price up. Electricity is now 49c a unit - when are they going to get it inside their skulls that this can't keep happening? They are always going to say it's not us it's the cost of fuel that's gone up but have the mla's even considered looking elsewhere for fuel, or trying to negotiate a cheaper price for the people of norfolk? incomes are static while costs are rising - there is only so much a population can withstand. I say come on aussie.
Name: ex-expo
Email: f-all4NI
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 08 July 2006
Time: 09:55:36 AM
about the clarence expo........what norfolk really needs is a back scratcher arrangement, giving us the opportunity to market local products over there too. the last expo saw ozzie suppliers showcasing thier goods here and competing with existing local buisnesses. not good for our economy at all......maybe the organisers finally got the message.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 07 July 2006
Time: 05:32:57 PM
Yes to that Grayeme. How much pleasure would that give for such a small layout. Cheers Lara
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 07 July 2006
Time: 03:24:41 PM
Another sign of the times :- Norfolk Island expo canned 06.07.2006 By Sally Gordon The Clarence Valley’s long-running Norfolk Island trade expo has been cancelled. It will be the first time the annual Norfolk exhibition has not gone ahead since its inception 10 years ago. The decision to can the expo has disappointed some Valley traders who agreed that maintaining regular contact with Norfolk residents was crucial for future trade links. Clarence Valley Business Enterprise Centre chair Andrew Kelly yesterday confirmed there would be no Norfolk delegation this year because of a lack of numbers. Mr Kelly said Clarence business operators did not receive the same response from Norfolk traders last year as they had in the past, which ‘was a bit of a dampener’. Clarence Valley Business Enterprise Centre CEO Henk van der Merwe reported that revenue from the 2004 expo totalled a staggering $3.4 million. Holiday Coast Meat and Smallgoods owner Geoffrey Jones, who had been involved with the trade expo in the past, said the initiative was a great opportunity for businesses if they had something that was different or unique. "As far as the expo went I thought it was a great opportunity," he said. "I’m disappointed the businesses haven’t pulled together and taken up this opportunity, because there was a lot of energy and organisation to first develop the expo over there and establish the links, which is important." Mr Jones believes problems with Norfolk’s travel and tourism industry had affected trade. "It’s not all on this side, there’s problems over in Norfolk as well ... they have lost a lot of their flights, because services were withdrawn," he said. "And they are not getting the volume of visitors there on the island." Ray Hayes, from Hayes Stock Feeds in Grafton, went to the expo last year and said he didn’t notice too much variation in customer response, as their business was not aimed at the tourism sector. However, Mr Hayes said the Norfolk market had limited potential. "At the end of the day we as retailers thought there was not a lot in it for what went over there, the market’s not big enough, but in saying that, I wouldn’t like to say those people aren’t worth worrying about. "There is more business to be done there, that’s for sure."
Name: Interested
Email: yeah@
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 07 July 2006
Time: 03:22:46 PM
Yeah, I'd be interested in listening to radio VL2NI through streaming! It would be so neat if they could listen to NI radio over the net!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 07 July 2006
Time: 11:55:49 AM
We would pay $30.00 a month to have access to Radio Norfolk 24-7! We cannot be there, but it would be nice to listen! If we ever win a lottery, Radio Norfolk gets internet streaming! :) Until then, we will just have to settle for the other Buffett: http://www.radiomargaritaville.com/listen.aspx There MUST be a genetic relation somewhere! :) Paul en Monica
Name: Ronin
Email: Hannelle_jedi@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 07 July 2006
Time: 01:21:53 AM
Desiderata From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search 1976 edition of The Desiderata of Happiness poetry collectionThis article is about the poem. For other meanings, see Desiderata (disambiguation). as for ancient prose Desiderata (Latin for "desired things", plural of desideratum) is a prose poem about attaining happiness in life. It was written in 1927 by Max Ehrmann. In the 1960s it became the subject of a hoax when claims were made that it had actually been found written in a Baltimore church, and that it dated from 1692. A spoken-word recording of the essay was made by Les Crane and reached #8 on the Billboard magazine charts in late 1971. The Baltimore hoax Around 1965, copies of the poem were circulated to various publications with the fraudulent (or perhaps simply mistaken) attribution "Found in Old Saint Paul's Church, Baltimore; Dated 1692". The essay was widely reprinted on the assumption that it was in the public domain. Even Analog Science Fiction and Science Fact was taken in. The misconception continues to this day. One common explanation for the misunderstanding is that the poem was found on the church's letterhead, which listed the church as being founded in 1692 but gave no attribution for the poem.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 06 July 2006
Time: 06:47:14 PM
Actually, it is probably a good time to ask the question. How many people on the forum. who are off the island would be prepared to pay a $10 or $20 a year subscription to get Radio Norfolk Island live on their computer. Just feeling.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 06 July 2006
Time: 06:27:22 PM
Lara - At the moment there is no way of getting the signal from VL2NI. I have been doing some ground work and investigations on what is involved and the cost to get 2NI onto the Internet. As yet I have not said anything to the Management of the Radio station as I wished to have all the facts before I went to thing. I have not even mentioned it to Darlene. I know the station cannot afford any further expense, but my idea was that if it is practical and not to expensive I would organise sponsorship of the service from Australia. My idea would be to just take the broadcast only when it is live broadcasting from the island too keep the cost down. Anyway I have a bit to do yet and wil keep the forum posted. I might be looking for sponsorship down the road, something like $10 or $20 a year from a few interested people is all we would be looking at. Cheers
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 06 July 2006
Time: 10:16:31 AM
Thanks Kell, rereading those beautiful words is to me a real cleansing of the soul. I am always impressed when I see a smoking ceromony performed by our Aboriginal people and truly believe things like this make a difference. I think Darlene has posted this before. Speaking of Darlene, is there any way to pick up VL2NI here on the mainland without going to great expense ? I really miss it.
Name: Kell
Email: here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 06 July 2006
Time: 07:25:53 AM
Hey Jamie - you get a life. It sounds to me like you have a bit of a chip on the old block and the reason I put the very well known and popular Desiderata on the forum is for all the negative nerds and morons like YOU!
Name: poor jamie
Email: noidea@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 09:36:04 PM
jamie ,its called desiderata and is one of the wisest ancient manuscripts ever written , try to understand it and you may find yourself becoming a better person for it(but i expect this may take you some time)
Name: Jamie
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 06:46:03 PM
In reply to previous entry from Kell, get a life Kell you are too serious and religiously brainwashed, don't try to preach to us on this forum there's enough going on around us without all that mumbo jumbo.
Name: Kell
Email: ya
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 03:32:17 PM
Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others; even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in oyur own career however humble; it is a real posession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism Be yourself. Espacially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy
Name: question2
Email: question2.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 10:44:31 AM
Yeah - yorlye right. If there's a fire, the fire officers don't have the fire engines at home. They drive to the station to get the equipment - so why should the electricity dudes be different? and telecom as well. Wasting good public funds such as this should be stopped. No wonder a couple of handfuls' give all the service a bad name. Come on Loppy - if you want to cut costs, here's your chance.
Name: question
Email: question.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 10:26:37 AM
speaking of rip-offs, does the 10% commission paid to a certain hospital pharmacist re sales still happen ? Wonder why things are so dear, ask the question
Name: Getten wussa
Email: wussa
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 10:17:30 AM
You are so right. It is also pretty bad to see a certain admin worker driving around in his admin car with his girl friend and dog. What’s the difference? Or you see the same car outside the bowling club. All this fuel and car use is at our expense. A bloody joke really.
Name: buddy boy system
Email: @admin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 10:11:12 AM
it is very painful to drive around at the moment and see cars with admin workers cruising around like tourists, sending pairs of workers on one man errands....they cant afford to do any work but still want to give all the workers the hours and no-one seems to have the balls to do anything about it....this is one of the main reasons norfolk is in the shit!
Name: Kingston1856
Email: Kingston@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 07:19:59 AM
Glad to see someone can appreciate value. Thank you Grayeme. My previous posting did not relate to Norfolk's current fire sale campaign just the normal off the rack tariff before any discounts. And yes there are a lot more comparable "Value for Money" items available. Norfolk Island and its people are not "rip off merchants". We never have been nor will we ever be that is not in our character.
Name: clean up admin
Email: here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 July 2006
Time: 06:08:51 AM
to start fixing things ..... clean up the admin workers....people are leaving Norfolk in the droves now... creating more jobs outside admin... admin should make the move to start culling jobs within their sections.. Dar thing fe awa's....... "pimple orn a poat - need fe squeeze ett" bas things es fe start right now while thing nor right brudda.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 04 July 2006
Time: 10:15:42 PM
I don't think you could source anything anywhere in the world cheaper than the current packages on offer for Norfolk Island. But even at normal times I would not say that Norfolk is overpriced. Islander Lodge are excellent apartments and have magnificent views for $149 per night with car. On the mainland something comparable is a minimum $240 without car. I might add that the restuarants on Norfolk are a good 30% cheaper for comparable quality than the mainland.
Name: Kingston1856
Email: kingston@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 04 July 2006
Time: 08:41:15 PM
Brenda. From your comments re over priced accommodation means either you dont know the facts or just simply are an outsider knocker. I challenge you to source a 3 1/2 star 1 bedroom self contained unit (Sleeps 2) with all modern conveniences and yes a late model car included for $101.00 per night (car ins $10pd and petrol not included)in your country or elsewhere. I would be most interested. As for the airfares I seem to remember that not so long ago domestic travel within Australia wasn't so affordable and what fixed that! Oh thats right an International carrier was allowed in to compete. Unfortunately the Norfolk Island route is not so attractive from a business point of view (quote"big profits"unquote) therefore it is highly unlikely that we will ever have airlines knocking down the front door.
Name: Brassed Off
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 04 July 2006
Time: 02:15:16 PM
esstrue - I hope you are right as they [NIG] cannot continue to put prices up the way they are..........robbing Peter to Pay Paul or better yet, ripping us off to get them out of the s**t they're in.
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 04 July 2006
Time: 01:25:17 PM
brassed off - i heard food was exempt from the customs duty rise
Name: Brassed Off
Email: here
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 04 July 2006
Time: 11:33:36 AM
It is not only air fares and accommodation that has and is sky rocketing - what about this NSL we are getting introduced PLUS an extra 3% on customs duty which means all imports i.e food and clothing will make the cost of living here even higher. We are now paying more to go to the hospital yet no wages increase. Norfolk Island Government - you cannot continue to RIP US OFF by putting everything up in price. All of you need to realise that you are stuffing up this beautiful island and in fact you are driving YOUR OWN people away. Congratulations on this very smart move. I hope you feel good about the fact our population is decreasing which will add extra burden on the community. Just because 99% of you have other "interests" - rock crushing, accommodation, touring business, cigarettes etc and don't have to worry about price increases - just remember not all of us are fortunate enough to have income supplements. The sooner Australia takes over wholly & solely, the better for us and the island. You lot couldn’t operate prostitutes in a brothel and that is a compliment to you all!!
Name: Erica
Email: wetls@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 03 July 2006
Time: 10:10:34 AM
Brenda, We have noticed the changes in price also. I would assume its because its winter and the prices in the old days used to go down because of it. Maybe they remembered and adjusted it. I think it also has alot to do with Ozjet flying in and out of Nrofolk more now. Seats have to be filled. Norlarnen I applaud you for sticking up for Norfolk. I have to admit I agree with alot of what you are saying. I am so worried about Norfolk losing its culture when it has already lost so much with the way the world is changing. I fear that Canberra taking over will eradicate Norfolk as we know it. In the same token I also fear that NIG have had the biggest part in tying that noose around our necks. I really don't think that there is a solution to this problem. Canberra taking over will change us forever, and the NIG going on the way they are will not help anything either. I would love to come up with a solution to fix this and I hope that Canberra will do the things that are best for the Island because whichever way we look at it dem se ya en we caa do nothin bout et.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 08:35:26 PM
Sorry.. those packages are ex-Brisbane.. check them all out here..watatimetago..http://www.talpacific.com/flyers/pdfs/NLK_FREE_FARE_SALE_13AUG06_BNE_e.pdf
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 08:15:52 PM
Brenda.. You are so right.. I cannot believe the prices being offered at the moment to go to Norfolk Island. Talpacific is offering Return Airfares & 7 Nights with Half day tour and transfers for 2 people sharing for $470 per person staying at Hillcrest. And the same deal at Colonial on Norfolk for $650 per person. There are many other choices of resort on offer at similar prices. These prices are what I paid for airfares only in March this year. Great time to go for anyone thinking about it.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 07:47:54 PM
To Broken Records, Thank you for your posts on the subject, and congratulations to you for trying to put the situation as you see it. Unlike you, I have nothing to lose or gain by whatever happens to Norfolk Island. My only interest is a deep love and respect for Norfolk Island as part of my Ancestral Heritage and a desire to see the people of Norfolk Island continue to be able to prosper within the bounds of thier own culture into the future. I do not have any answers, but I know Australia will never let the people of Norfolk Island slip into an existence below the level of Australian Mainlanders. Good luck to you and I hope it is not long before things are looking much better.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 07:33:19 PM
To Norlarnen. I am quite well aware of what the document says, but I can not for the life of me see where you are coming from ??? The Norfolk Island Act 1979 was written at the time that the current "Self Government" was granted by the "Commonwealth". Now you don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to see that it is written with the the provisions that as things progressed, "brownie points" would be gained and more "Independence" would be granted. But "Norlarnen", with respect!!!. things have not worked out the way the Commonwealth or Norfolk Island would have desired, hence the current situation your Island now finds itself in. Obviously at the time the Commonwealth (1979) had concerns as to Norfolks ability to go it alone and that is why Norfolk was not given total independence there and then. Sadly it appears that the concerns have come to reality, and the Commonwealth now has to act. As much as you wish to bury your head in the sand, the "Commonwealth of Australia" is the responsible body for the welfare of Norfolk Island as one of it's territories. The world is watching "Norlarnen", and Australia certainly has no intention of sitting by and watching Norfolk Island slip into a "Third World" existence, that would be negligent and a failure of their responsiblities to a territory that is only 5 weeks younger than their own very existence.(1788) As for your comment about anyone being "nieve" should anyone think Australia really cares about Norfolk Island, well for your information, there are more than 2 million people living in Australia who can claim heritage to ancestors who lived on Norfolk Island long before the "third settlement". As many posters on this forum have said, a process is in place, a proper investigation of the current situation, no decisions have been made, with the exception of the Customs, which is obviously for security reasons and to bring it in line with all other teritories. The rest is all up to what the reports recommend and the Minister will then take recommendations to the parliament. These recommendations will then be discussed in consultion with the NIG for implementation. Anyone and everyone on Norfolk Island was given the opportunity to submit there ideas by way of submission and many did. Now what you want to make of the process, re- being proper or not, the facts are that this is the process, and these people will make the final decisions as to Norfolks immediate future. I do know this though, a lot of people I know on Norfolk Island, just wish that this whole process would move quickly so they see a future for their children, which they cannot see at the moment. With 80% of the business' on Norfolk Island declining in revenue over the previous 12 months, and Tourism still your main source of revenue, with over 70% of tourist coming from mainland Australia, your constant "Aussie bashing comments" are doing very little to help the situation. I have said my piece.!!
Name: Broken Records
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 07:13:45 PM
Norlarnen your debate is great...I take my hat off too you...but as I say it is the last post for me on this subject...the future is very uncertain and we can go on and on with the for's and against...I know what I see and I know what I hear...I do know that it is not all CMWLTH propaganda that has made me make my mind up...I am not alone...the unfortunate thing is that it has split the island and that I do not support...don't think for one minute I think the Commonwealth Government will be the answer to all our woes...I am not that naive...infact the CMWLTH take over will effect me directly...I have taken the time to write to the CMWLTH and have a reply every time...it is unfortunate I can not say the same of our local Government...I am not here to tell you to think otherwise...Norlarnen as said you have a strong belief and stick to it...for me I call it a day and thank you for the postings...all I can say is...come on Aussie Come on!
Name: Brenda
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 06:15:54 PM
Things must really be on the rocks your end as noted the tourist packages in this weekends Australian Newspapers are at bargain basement prices, does this mean not too many tourists coming your way and all yorlye in a panic? I think the accommodation over there has been very over priced for years so these latest offerings are more like what we should expect to pay normally if the cost was not so highly inflated to get a big profit.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 06:13:16 PM
Karen, This whole thing is going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Capitulating because it's getting a bit bloody is the usual aim when one employs the divide and rule method. Grayeme, you may like to check out the following quoted verbatim from the link you posted:"AND WHEREAS the residents of Norfolk Island include the descendants of the settlers from Pitcairn Island: AND WHEREAS the Parliment RECOGNISES THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP OF THE SAID DESCENDANTS WITH NORFOLK ISLAND AND THEIR DESIRE TO PRESERVE THEIR TRADITIONS AND CULTURE: AND WHEREAS the Parliment considers it to be desireable and to be the wish of the people of Norfolk Island that Norfolk Island achieve, over a period of time, internal self governemt as a Territory under the authority of the Commonwealth and, to that end provide, among things, for the establishment of a representative Legislative Assembly and of other seperate political and administrative institutions on Norfolk Island: AND WHEREAS the Parliment intends that within a period of 5 years after the coming into operation of this Act on the Legislative Assembly and the other political and administrative institutions of Norfolk Island, and that provision be made in this Act to enable the results of such consideration to be implemented. AGAIN I am not proposing independence or even continuatiuon of our current system of government - only re affirming our rights to having a say in any changes.
Name: Karen
Email: @aus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 03:53:03 PM
Reading all the debate on the forum lately I think that Norfolk Island people could not be any worse off under Australian Administration because you are certainly a sad miserable mob at the moment.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 02:05:26 PM
I am sorry, but I do not see anything in the Norfolk Island Act that gives any "Legitimate claim to Norfolk Island by the islanders". Quite the opposite really. http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/NorfolkGov/NorfolkIsland79.pdf Just pointing out the Facts.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 12:57:32 PM
Fixing the problems with the system we have should not equate to capitulating full political control over to Canberra without any thought for the consequences as you implied recently in supporting the take over and saying something to the effect of "no one can know the consequences of the new system until it is implemented". You are naieve to believe that their moves which have wooed you into believing they care about us are anything less than an elaborate game of propaganda to secure full political control of Norfolk Island - NOT to save us from financial ruin. THIS IS OBVIOUS FROM THEIR STATED AIMS OF TAKING OVER IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS - WHILE OFFERING A FULL SYSTEM OF INCOME TAX, SOCIAL WELFARE AND AMBIGUIOUS GRANTS IN RETURN. The sign of a successful propaganda program results in people living and believing in the contradiction you find yourself in, Pro Norfolk and Pro Canberra. The Norfolk Island Act is a piece of legislation which reflects our long standing and legitimate claim to Norfolk Island, to disregard it as nothing more than a single thread by which we cling to is evidence of your contradiction. Any change in our status should be done with a lot more thought that your argument which basically reads "we have stuffed up, give it to over to them". Your frustation with the system we have is leading you to cut off your nose despite your face. None of what I write is meant to demean the difficult times people face, that is an important reality. But again, I believe if we travel the road you support we will live to regret it. There are other ways out of this mess, but we must maintain the integrity of our political claim to Norfolk.
Name: Broken Records
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 July 2006
Time: 07:46:36 AM
norlarnen...please explain to me how they have done everything correctly. All that they have done is window dressing brud, or more appropriately known as propaganda. Broken Records says...Tell me how the NIG have done things correctly...the CWLTH have at least employed an investigative approach to the changes that need to be implemented...the reports and findings are published for the world to see...the so called propaganda...appears very real to me...how to do they simulate the exodus of persons from Norfolk Island...how do they manage to get our Government to talk about NSL and increase in duties when the island is in financial tatters...our own Government admits that the Revenue fund is very low and whilst the continue to Rob Peter to Pay Paul they are no different than the Airline that went to the wall...I would not say the CMWLTH have anything to do with that...Why won't our Government agree to moving Money from the Revenue Vote to a trust fund??? The people I talk to talk on a daily basis are real and talk more of the actions of our NIG and how they are set to close their doors......I also remember the NIG refusing to meet with the JSC...look the list can go on and on WE only held on to Self Government by a simple thread called the "Norfolk Island Act"...we can't ignore the fact that that Act was on conditions set by the Commonwealth in the first place...if you are to fight tooth and nail for self Government and win...how are we going to get ourselves out of this downward spiral we are in without some form of Commonwealth Government assistance...I am afraid I am not throwing the baby out with the bath water...the baby has now grown up and left of his own accord! I push a lot of blame on our NIG, but I must repeat...it is not 100% all their fault...the world has changed and if you do the math...the small population we have here does not earn enough to pay our way any more...we must rely on our only income and that is Tourisim...what do we do when that is no longer an option...who do we call on for assistance??? I will say this loud and clear...If we were not in the position we are in (Fact) I would say to hell with the Commonwealth...I would fight tooth and nail if I knew 100% that we can make it on our own...it is unfortunate that the time has come and evidence is in our face...that unless we are all Warren Buffets...we will not be in any position to Self Govern... This debate could go on and on and on...and as said in my past posts that until something newsworthy we are in the dark so... This is my last entry on this subject...I agree to disagree with those opposed...but the out come either way will not be pleasant by any terms...
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 08:56:06 PM
Oh Me Oh My I have been exposed....sad sad sad
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 06:32:12 PM
"After all the spin about the WMD in Iraq, which theyre still looking for. He has a real penchant for ignoring whats said and repeating his couple of one liners just like Condi!" It feels so good to be loved! I think back to the six years I spent in the US Army during the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait when WMDs did exist and had been deployed on hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds before 'innocent' Saddam sacked Kuwait. The Saudis literally begged us to intervene before the Iraqis invaded their country. I think back to my childhood memories of my uncle who used to remove his glass eyeball and chase us around the yard...scared the hell out of us! This was the same glass eyeball that replaced his original eye that was shot-out in World War II on Normandy Beach helping to liberate France in World War II when he was in the US Army. I think back to my grandfather the US Army platoon sergeant who lost half of his men to mustard gas WMDs in World War I in the Meuse Argonne Forest while liberating France in World War I. I don't have any answers for beautiful Norfolk Island...just a few friends there that I care about. Rest assured norlarnen has all the answers...I just knew Nofolk Island's crises would end up being USA's fault! That's okay...France hates us too...later! :'(
Name: tired
Email: ofgov.@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 01:04:34 PM
funny to see no mention of the custons duty changes in the local paper this week...does this mean it was all just gossip? they seem to have gone silent on the nsl again too just like when ronny dropped it last year....one would think a government with all those staff would be making as much effort as possible to keep the tax paying voters informed, especially when it comes to introducing a new and complex tax system....maybe they just do not care about us!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 12:43:27 PM
You could be on to something there Joe, he seems to have a lot of the fine qualities of a seasoned Bush Administration veteran. After all the spin about the WMD in Iraq, which theyre still looking for. He has a real penchant for ignoring whats said and repeating his couple of one liners just like Condi!
Name: Joe
Email: @ease
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 12:21:19 PM
RE: [ Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006 Time: 09:49:02AM ] -a very astute piece of analysis Geoff - here's the World Bank's (ie. Washington's) endorsement of Canberra's recently announced 15-year blueprint for the economic restructuring [read market-driven takeover] of it's Pacific backyard - http://tinyurl.com/n7w92 - which of course, dovetails ever so neatly with the U.S. Pacific Command's(USPACOM's) 'security' agenda for the region - http://tinyurl.com/nab5x - I'd say ???? is more likely to be a CIA spook sniffing about for WMDs
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 12:10:59 PM
????, Heres a little update for you, Canberra announced several months ago that they will take over Immigration and Customs, that they will introduce income tax etc in 2007. This was not a PROPOSAL offered to our eleceted repsrentatives or to the public. This is Canberras unilateral decsion, not PROPOSALS as you you try to disguise them. Please answer how you justify this apart from your posts which until now say Canberra have the legal right to walk over us and ignore our requests to be included in the process because they have offered us various loans and grants over the years. Aditionally please explain where my posts do not reflect the fact of the matter and are simply propaganda. NOTE: It need not be on the scale of the elaborate Color Brochures, Surveys and Inquiry's launched by Canberra over the last few years. How unusual that through all of those efforts they were unable to find that there were be so many of us who would expect to be involved in having a say in any changes to our system of government.
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 11:30:11 AM
NORLARNEN, WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING FORCED UPON YOU AT THIS STAGE ??? Everything is still in the investigative stage, there are no proposals as yet. As for "Propaganda" your not a bad example.!!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 01 July 2006
Time: 09:49:02 AM
????, You still don't seem to be acknowledging the points I make. I am still waiitng for an answer, or are you now suggesting that these grants negate Norfolk Islanders claim to the island and a say in its running? (was I the only one to notice that the majority of payments over $1M for projects the island needs were interest free loans!). WHY AREN'T THE PEOPLE OR THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES BEING CONSULTED WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES? WHAY ARE THEY BEING FORCED UPON US? Is East Timor or the Salomons aware that they too could be at risk of being unilaterally taken over and that they will be told it is fully justified by the millions that Canberra is pouring into their economies? Are you really so simple minded as to believe all of this aid, grants and interest free loans are for free? That Canberra offers these grants out of the goodness of their hearts? If you are aware of the historic tensions between Jakarta and Canberra then you will have an idea what is an ally in the middle of the Indonesian achepleigeo worth. And more to the point, what is an island 5 miles by 3 off the east of Australia worth! Thats what this is all about. Broken Record - please explain to me how they have done everything correctly. All that they have done is window dressing brud, or more appropriately known as propaganda. We have historically been taken advantage of by those bigger than us because of our lack if education and naievity, are we going to let it happen again? As for your other points I will reiterate, I am not here to judge the NIG, it is certainly relevant but clouds the issue. If we need a change of government, a change in the system, by all means do it, but lets not "put the cart before the horse". Norfolk Island is very precious to us - AS IT IS TO CANBERRA, don't let the politics of the day confuse you into "throwing the baby out with the bath water". I wonder if our little friend ???? isnt a mole from Canberra!
Name: Broken Records
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 09:33:19 PM
A Change of Scene & Topic your posting is welcomed as much as anyones...your highlight of the flu virus is a concern for all world wide...I didn't realise how prolific the virus was until just recent times...to add to this we may need to duck our heads on Monday as an astroid passes us by...damn if the things turns a corner and hits earth how much duty do we collect????:-)
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 08:09:33 PM
This would mean nothing to Norlarnen - but is this what Norfolk calls SELF SUFFICENT :- Funding by federal agencies operating on Norfolk Island There is the annual Federal Government contribution to Norfolk Island provided through the annual budget allocations for those Federal Government agencies that operate on Norfolk Island. These amount to between $3 and $4 million per year (eg funding for the Bureau of Meteorology the Civil Aviation Safety Authority Environment Australia and the Department of Transport and Regional Services). There is the funding provided by the Federal Government for federal capital works projects on Norfolk Island. Current examples of such projects include the construction of a new weather station on Norfolk Island by the Bureau of Meteorology ($2.2M) and the proposed road works by Environment Australia to restore the collapsed Mt Pitt Road and repair the Duncombe Bay Road - both popular tourist routes on-island (which will cost approximately $3M). There is also the annual Federal Government financial contribution to the maintenance and conservation of the Kingston and Arthur's Vale Historic Area (KAVHA). This is approximately $500 000 each year. In total the Federal Government has invested over $10 000 000 in KAVHA. This amount does not include funding provided to Norfolk Island under grant programs (such as the Australian Bicentennial Programs) or under special funding arrangements. The Federal Government takes no revenue and receives no financial return from KAVHA. Examples of Federal Government grants that the Norfolk Island Government has successfully applied for in recent times include: A $80 000 grant under the Federal Government's Remote and Isolated Communities Fund to help the Norfolk Island Government develop and conduct telecommunications related tenders. A $250 000 grant under the Coast and Clean Seas component of the Natural Heritage Trust to assist the Norfolk Island Government implement an Island wide waste management strategy. A $15 000 grant from AFMA for research into the Norfolk Island Inshore Fishery. A $774 000 grant from the Federal Government's Networking the Nation program to fund the replacement of the Island's telecommunications billing system the establishment of an optic fibre backbone and a wide internet network and an upgrade of the customer access network.. This follows the $750 000 Networking the Nation grant provided to fund the construction of a new satellite station on Norfolk Island. An additional $56 000 Networking the Nation grant was provided to fund a tele-health pilot project for Norfolk Island. As with other Australian State or Territory Governments the Norfolk Island Government is eligible to apply to the Federal Government for specific purpose loans or grants to fund infrastructure related and other developments on Norfolk Island. In 1998 for example the Federal Government provided Norfolk Island with a $3M interest free loan to carry out the Cascade Cliff Safety Project (which was designed to stabilise a dangerous cliff face overlooking one of the Island's two piers). The Federal Government recently announced its in-principle approval on an application by Norfolk Island for a $5.8M federal interest free loan to fund the upgrade of the Norfolk Island's only airport. And the list goes on and on.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 04:38:52 PM
Here is a bit of trivia! Did you know that...approximately 15 years ago 4 local businessmen put a proposal to the NIG on NSL? The NSL was proposed at 4% but all other levies dropped..Now at this time the economy was buoyant(you are right about the spell check, Joan) & booming!!! Funny thing was their proposal allowed for claim backs but this NSL only has a compounding affect. Guess whay the NIG said at the time?????
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 03:53:14 PM
To "Bookworm in Aussie" - The Tourist Information Centre on Norfolk Island usually has most of the books relating to Norfolk on sale from the Information Centre. I don't know about the ones you are referring to, but if you email them, they will surely help you out. I have dealt with them online and they are very helpful. They will do a Credit Card transaction and pop them in the mail with no problems. This is thier email address and good luck. info@norfolkisland.com.au Also could you comment back here as to how you get on for future reference.
Name: book worm in aussie
Email: sydney
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 02:56:46 PM
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE REPLY TO THE EMAIL DATED 28TH JUNE REGARDING HOW TO PURCHASE/ORDER NI BOOKS WHICH WERE ON HAND FOR BOUNTY DAY CELEBRATIONS. MANY THANKS.
Name: Change of Scene & Topic
Email: change.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 02:26:40 PM
Whoa - I didn't mean to hit a sore point. I merely wanted people here to know the news on the flu as there has been a lot of ill people of late with a flu - and I thought I was helping. I didn't mean anything by "change of scene & topic". Yorlye quite touchy!
Name: Broken Records
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 01:51:42 PM
A Change of Scene & Topic I understand that the flu strains around are different than has been reported before? Well maybe the flu strain is a bit like politics don't you think??? Trouble is there is no vaccinesd for politics or politicians....:-) Realist I don't think there was any intention to change the subject and topic for the permanent, just a change of topic in general...this certainly is the biggest change and challenge that Norfolk Island has seen in many years and it doesn't come sweet...you will see by the postings there have been some very good debate on both sides and there is a an unfortunate split in the way the island thinks...no matter what Norfolk Island will be Norfolk and the island will be here through storm and tempest...we have to all agree to disagree and work with the Commonwealth as that is the nature of the beast...hopefully the "Dialog" will result in a better outcome for Norfolk Island...there is an old saying that I heard mentioned the other day...Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"!
Name: realist
Email: norfolk@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 01:27:08 PM
why change the scene and topic? these are probably the most important changes in norfolks history and have come about by islanders "changing the scene or topic" otherwise known as "BURYING ONES HEAD IN THE SAND"
Name: A Change of Scene & Topic
Email: change.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 12:09:28 PM
Flu strain heading for Australia By 7News Medical experts predict an influenza outbreak will hit Australia within a fortnight and have urged people to seek vaccination. The flu strain expected to cross the Tasman has already affected many people in New Zealand. The global Influenza Specialist Group has nominated Australia as its likely next target. A vaccination against a number of flu strains is available from GPs. The Federal government has made the vaccine freely available for Australians aged 65 and over, at a cost of $30 million.
Name: Pay the piper
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 11:46:11 AM
I say pay up the taxes, as had the Norfolk Island Government implemented certain taxes earlier Norfolk wouldn't be in such a mess today. We pay GST in Australia and I tell you it hurts to do so although we do not pay it on essential food. It is fair as it hits everyone no matter how much wealth they have or have not. Perhaps it woould be fairer if the wealthy over there were to have to pay it on their earnings stashed away in Norfolk Bank Accounts and offshore nest eggs.
Name: Broken Records
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 30 June 2006
Time: 08:09:06 AM
...SO HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US? WHY SUPPORT SOMETHING WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE? For your info Canberra is doing things by the book, they take the time to do some studies...as opposed to our government that works off knee jerk reactions and implementation of what ever to get them through...no study, no data, no forward forthought they just do it...NSL is a great example of this...what would normally take 2 to 3 years to implement they want to do it in 6 months...the lack of professionalism is quite obvious...secondly I in no way said that we would be better off, but the end point is I would prefer to have a country like Australia with a bigger cheque book at our side than the Norfolk Island Government shuffling funds around to say that we are not broke...thirdly the result of what our Government has and hasn't done is starting to effect the lives of many and have already left the island...fourthly answer me this how does increase in Customs duty, introduction of NSL, reduction in employment and lets just do this and hope for the best attitude help Norfolk Island? I do not base my support for the Commonwealth Government off possible grants...It is as I say...because the Commonwelth Government are doing things in the correct manner...they do not have any information to share until the results are in...until then any indication of what assistance and responsibilities will be, will be based off this information...it is for this reason that the Norfolk Island Government should work with and not against the Commonwealth, the island should be talking to and not against the Commonwealth Government...wether you like it or not they are coming, they will take Norfolk...what they take and what they leave for us is purely and simply up to us and how we negotiate with them...their attiude was recorded when the changes to voting was implemented...who and whart army can stop them??? As I have said if we were not in the financial situation that we are in I would say to hell with them and fight just like you...I personally, are feeling the brunt of the Norfolk Island Governments actions and am not blinded by the Commonwealths offers and reports...I have seen the reports and have seen our own figures...the Accumen report is more accurate than our own Goverment admits...why are they trying so desperately to bring in more income if it wasn't?...sorry but nothing in my mind will ever support the local Government when they continue to take us down a spiral dive instead...Come on Aussie Come on!
Name: carli
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 28 June 2006
Time: 04:59:34 PM
I agree with Joan, you have to have the island's current situation out there in the Australian & New Zealand media so that others can support you. There has been nothing in the media in Australia, if you are so concerned contact the Australian media organisations and get them to do a story on it, one that is not buried within the newspapers but big enough to draw attention.
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 152.91.9.131
Date: Wednesday, 28 June 2006
Time: 01:09:52 PM
NorlarnenSO HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US? WHY SUPPORT SOMETHING WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE? I agree that there really be some trepidation in relation to HOW the island will be now governed? Will the federal government simply take it over (and treat it like Lord Howe etc) or will you still have some autominy (we REALLY need a spell check facility!!!) - like a state or territory? Given the federal government's reaction to anything contensious in the Act (think civil unions) or the Northern Territory (ethanesia) and there right to override any legislation of these territories, it is a worry. On the other hand, look at the wasteage of the Legeslative Assembly (and their cronies) and you realise there are not a lot of options at present. It really upsets me to think that Norfolk is on this slippery slope to no where. Locals who are articulate (but not the usual suspects) need to start making noise in the media in Australia and New Zealand. This doesn't mean I am suggesting anachy, but if yoryle dont start doing something now it is going to be too late. It is almost moosa too late already - so act now!!!
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Remote Name: 204.111.90.53
Date: Wednesday, 28 June 2006
Time: 12:27:14 PM
Darls, Heaps O' thanks to ye! We have a collection of odds and ends that we have been collecting to send to yorlye as well! Best to you and Col! Paul en Monica
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Remote Name: 219.68.41.215
Date: Wednesday, 28 June 2006
Time: 10:44:30 AM
Norlarnen...yes you are right that there is no mention yet as to how Canberra stepping in is going to help...SO HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE BETTER FOR US? WHY SUPPORT SOMETHING WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE? the only way that I can see that we will be inline for grants and the responsibilites we current have will be theirs...WHAT GRANTS? HOW MUCH, FOR HOW LONG? IS THIS REALLY THE EXTENT OF WHY YOU SUPPORT CANBERRA UNILATERALLY TAKING OVER NORFOLK ISLAND??? though that is a very brief expression of what could be problem is no one knows...even Canberra...WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SPELT OUT THEIR "PLAN". HAS IT OCCURRED TO ANYONE THAT THEY HAVE A REASON FOR NOT DIVULGING THE DETAILS OF THEIR TAKE OVER? but consider this what will happen to us if Canberra says we hear you now carry on...we will just wait until you are totally broke and everyone has left the island...don't believe for one minute that there aren't people already abandoning ship!...WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT OUR EMOTIONS, DISILLUSION AND ANGER AT THE N.I.G. DOESN'T CLOUD OUR JUDGEMENT
Name: BOOK WORK IN AUSSIE
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Choose Country
Remote Name: 203.185.255.52
Date: Wednesday, 28 June 2006
Time: 09:35:09 AM
After reading the Bounty Day entries I noticed that Lorraine Bataille and Jodie Williams and Kim Partridge had bought out books in time for the celebrations. Great, as my Aussie work colleagues had read about the histroy of this great celebration and I informed them if they were interested in great reading and photo material (this was mentioned in several of the submissions in the Forum)that they could get details from the Book review which is headed NI Books. Maybe the could order on-line. But when they found the only books contained were 'Sharks on NI' and 'NI Language', they were mystified as they would have thought that it would be available to interested persons and especially if NI wanted tourists to visit, and not only that for the people who put them out would be grateful to have some income to put Weetbix and milk on the table. But quite obviously not. Is there any where else these can be ordered on-line and details for payment by Credit Card or other means and details relating to postage costs etc. Looking forward to a reply so we can arrange purchase before they become extinct. Another suggestion was that maybe photos could be put on this site so everyone can enjoy them and especially for residents living abroad. Many thanks for any replies.
Name: WHAT N.S.L.?
Email: HMMMMMMMMMMM
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 10:46:44 PM
T'WOOD SEEM NO ONE RANG ADMIN. THIS DAY!
Name: we whoopped your ass!!!!!!!!!!
Email: italians@norfolk
Country: Brazil
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 10:43:10 PM
to "what?".........heaps of aussies grow their own vegies......thats why we cant win the world cup........they dont call it wogball for nothin'
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 08:42:44 PM
The Kavha DVD is available from the Kavha office at No.9 Quality Row. Norfolk Island. The DVD or Video cost $25 plus $5 postage. You can email for details of payment etc. to. no9@norfolk.net.nf
Name: What?
Email: lkdslk@lkdslk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 05:48:08 PM
Wha??, How many Australians grow there own vegies?
Name: Brandy
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 05:26:52 PM
Maybe with the 2% tax on food hitting everyone maybe Norfolk Islanders will get off their backsides and become more self sufficient start growing your own fruit and vegies to feed your families. Did I hear that you are importing potatoes from New Zealand?
Name: Darls
Email: youknowit.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 01:49:30 PM
Paul en Monica - I have one for you. I will send it soon.
Name: Damn_Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 01:46:12 PM
Grayme, Please provide a link to where the "Kavha Board" DVD can be purchased. Thank you, Paul en Monica
Name: Kaa Waa
Email: nsl@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 01:18:18 PM
Because I am not on Norfolk at the moment, I’m having a bit of trouble understanding NSL. How can you tax people when there is nothing left to tax? Does it tax your wage?, goods?, services?.... Does this system aim to tax the higher income earners? Looks like im going to have to do some reading tonight. If admin is trying to get blood out of a stone, they should give up and try something else..... Maybe EXTERNAL REVENUE! Seems to me like every opportunity they have had, has passed them by. What ever happened to online gaming? So many questions, so little answers.....
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 12:27:08 PM
Disgusted - it really is terrible the new NSL. This new tax could really mean the end of egalatrianism (we really need a spell check component on the forum!!) on Norfolk. While there have always been rich/poor families living in harmony there will really be a noticeable movement of people (especially with children) to the mainland. One of the ways i know my family used to save money was bringing foodstuffs (cereals were a favourite) home when somebody came home, this all changed after Norfolk Jet left the route and the 20kg limit was enforced. Still you can bring foodstuffs in - maybe it may be like the government tax where the government workers can avoid it.
Name: disgusted
Email: somethings-stinkin@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 10:56:23 AM
the rich get richer and the rest will have to leave. an extra 2% customs duty on food is a slap in the face for any marginal wage earners ,especially when its not applied to other imports. add this to the nsl and its the worst choice norfolk could make to bail itself out of bankrupcy.....but then it isnt our choice is it, but that of a few to ensure they can still scrape off the cream.
Name: up in the Air
Email: air.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2006
Time: 10:29:29 AM
Well said Joan re the negative carry on for the last 27 years. It is well known that to have a RICH (in all ways) community you need to put in more than you take out. Well it really has been open slather and now it is time to pay the piper. A load of timber here and a load of gravel there....multiply it and what do you have, a huge ammount over the years. Overload at Admin, someone once suggested that cardboard cutouts could suffice. Huge drain on the community for wages every year but then you can also say no unemployment. Human nature I suppose but if you truly love Norfolk then you have every right to be angry with all the rorting and lack of respect for your own community mostly done by the people who should have been protecting our beloved island. One of the saddest things has been the unwillingness to even consider suggestions for sustainability because it came mostly from good wishing and concerned "bloody mainlanders" Are they grinning now because of our plight ? probably not because their attitude was to help and WE didn't want to know Reality is we need Help for the continued healthy future of our island
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 10:13:58 PM
On a lighter note. I have just watched the new DVD produced by the Kavha Board called Our Heritage which arrived from Norfolk in my mail today. I must say this is by far the best documentary that I have seen on the complete history of Norfolk. It is factual and brilliantly filmed and produced. This has to be a must have for anyone with any genuine interest in Norfolk. Also a great trip down memory lane for anyone who has not been to the island for some time.
Name: Broken Records
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 07:02:36 PM
Norlarnen...yes you are right that there is no mention yet as to how Canberra stepping in is going to help...the only way that I can see that we will be inline for grants and the responsibilites we current have will be theirs...though that is a very brief expression of what could be problem is no one knows...even Canberra...but consider this what will happen to us if Canberra says we hear you now carry on...we will just wait until you are totally broke and everyone has left the island...don't believe for one minute that there aren't people already abandoning ship!...it is again a real shame that Norfolk Island did not have an alternate income to tourisim, if we did then Canberra can jump...as for wages there will be demands that will mean businesses could go under...but in reality that is already happening with the introduction of NSL...hands up all those who have had a pay rise just lately???...hands down if you are in a position to give yourself one or have been given one by the Government for taking on extra work!...we are damned if we do and damned if we don't...our local Government can not bury their heads and take on dialog...seems to be the popular word...the dialog has to include those questions you ask Norlarnen...I can hear where you are coming from but can not agree with you given the track record of our own Government and the path they have lead us down (Albiet it is not all their fault...that has to be acknowledged)...I can't help but say Come on Aussie come on!
Name: WHAT N.S.L.?
Email: CASHEDUP@NORFOLK
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:49:00 PM
SORRY I FORGOT TO MENTION THE SUGGESTION ,YET AGAIN THAT I PUT MY QUESTIONS IN WRITTING??????THEY COULD HAVE A RECORDED MESSAGE STATING "PLEASE FORWARD ALL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE N.S.L., IN WRITTING"...........THIS WOULD FREE UP A LOT OF WASTED HOURS OF NAMELESS PEOPLE BEING EMPLOYED TO ANSWER PHONES
Name: WHAT N.S.L.?
Email: CASHEDUP@NORFOLK
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:48:50 PM
SORRY I FORGOT TO MENTION THE SUGGESTION ,YET AGAIN THAT I PUT MY QUESTIONS IN WRITTING??????THEY COULD HAVE A RECORDED MESSAGE STATING "PLEASE FORWARD ALL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE N.S.L., IN WRITTING"...........THIS WOULD FREE UP A LOT OF WASTED HOURS OF NAMELESS PEOPLE BEING EMPLOYED TO ANSWER PHONES
Name: what N.S.L.?
Email: CASHEDUP@NORFOLK
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:37:41 PM
HERE IS AN INTERESTING EXPERIMENT FOR ANYONE LIVING ON NORFOLK ISLAND TO TRY ,IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE LOOMING N.S.L., WHICH WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REGISTER FOR WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. RING THE ADMINISTRATION ON 22001 AND WHEN YOU DETERMINE WHO EXACTLY YOU ARE TALKING TOO (APPARENTLY IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHEN ANSWERING THE PHONE AS A PUBLIC SERVANT FOR ADMIN) ASK YOUR RELEVANT QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE N.S.L....YOU WILL EVENTUALLY BE PUT THROUGH TO SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE INPLEMENTATION COMMITEE (ASK THEM THEIR NAME TOO!).....WHEN THE QUESTIONS BECOME TOO DIFFICULT YOU WILL THEN BE TOLD THAT YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO GIZELLE....BUT SHE IS ON LEAVE AT PRESENT!!!!!! NOT THAT IT MATTERS MUCH AS THE ASSEMBLY ARE "PROBABLY" GOING TO LET US HAVE ANOTHER MONTH TO GET USED TO THE IDEA ANYWAY,SEE WHAT HAPENS ON WEDNESDAY! GREAT ADVICE , I HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT NOW!!!!!!!!BUT THEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE DONT AGREE WITH THE N.S.L. ANYWAY...........SCARY THING IS , THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENNED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!THEY HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!!!!!!!!!!
Name: what N.S.L.?
Email: CASHEDUP@NORFOLK
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:37:31 PM
HERE IS AN INTERESTING EXPERIMENT FOR ANYONE LIVING ON NORFOLK ISLAND TO TRY ,IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE LOOMING N.S.L., WHICH WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REGISTER FOR WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. RING THE ADMINISTRATION ON 22001 AND WHEN YOU DETERMINE WHO EXACTLY YOU ARE TALKING TOO (APPARENTLY IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHEN ANSWERING THE PHONE AS A PUBLIC SERVANT FOR ADMIN) ASK YOUR RELEVANT QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE N.S.L....YOU WILL EVENTUALLY BE PUT THROUGH TO SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE INPLEMENTATION COMMITEE (ASK THEM THEIR NAME TOO!).....WHEN THE QUESTIONS BECOME TOO DIFFICULT YOU WILL THEN BE TOLD THAT YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO GIZELLE....BUT SHE IS ON LEAVE AT PRESENT!!!!!! NOT THAT IT MATTERS MUCH AS THE ASSEMBLY ARE "PROBABLY" GOING TO LET US HAVE ANOTHER MONTH TO GET USED TO THE IDEA ANYWAY,SEE WHAT HAPENS ON WEDNESDAY! GREAT ADVICE , I HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT NOW!!!!!!!!BUT THEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE DONT AGREE WITH THE N.S.L. ANYWAY...........SCARY THING IS , THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENNED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!THEY HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!!!!!!!!!!
Name: what N.S.L.?
Email: CASHEDUP@NORFOLK
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:37:08 PM
HERE IS AN INTERESTING EXPERIMENT FOR ANYONE LIVING ON NORFOLK ISLAND TO TRY ,IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE LOOMING N.S.L., WHICH WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REGISTER FOR WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. RING THE ADMINISTRATION ON 22001 AND WHEN YOU DETERMINE WHO EXACTLY YOU ARE TALKING TOO (APPARENTLY IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF WHEN ANSWERING THE PHONE AS A PUBLIC SERVANT FOR ADMIN) ASK YOUR RELEVANT QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE N.S.L....YOU WILL EVENTUALLY BE PUT THROUGH TO SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE INPLEMENTATION COMMITEE (ASK THEM THEIR NAME TOO!).....WHEN THE QUESTIONS BECOME TOO DIFFICULT YOU WILL THEN BE TOLD THAT YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO GIZELLE....BUT SHE IS ON LEAVE AT PRESENT!!!!!! NOT THAT IT MATTERS MUCH AS THE ASSEMBLY ARE "PROBABLY" GOING TO LET US HAVE ANOTHER MONTH TO GET USED TO THE IDEA ANYWAY,SEE WHAT HAPENS ON WEDNESDAY! GREAT ADVICE , I HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT NOW!!!!!!!!BUT THEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE DONT AGREE WITH THE N.S.L. ANYWAY...........SCARY THING IS , THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENNED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!THEY HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Ben
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:27:50 PM
Watch out before long you will be paying for fishing licences a good revenue raiser as has been seen in Oz.
Name: norlarnen
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 04:23:57 PM
Broken - Much of what you say is very true - but no one has yet been able to explain how Canberra's stepping in will fix things. How is Canberra's proposal going to reduce the cost of electricity? What kind of impact will it have on wages on the island? What, OVERALL, will the impact be? has anyone in here ever be to Tahiti, Hawaii? do you have any idea what the cost of living in these places is!!! I agree, we have developed beyond our means - but is Australia taking over the carte blanche solution? It looks very much like another short sighted decsion without fully considering the overall impact! As mentioned previously in here - Canberras main concern is security of her borders and the proposals on the table reflect that - THEY ARE NOT YET PROPOSING REAL SOLUTIONS OUR PROBLEMS. Canberra is using it all as a smoke screen to take over. This is what is scary because if they don't care to consult us now what say will we have when they are running the place? Canberra is using the current financial problems Norfolk is experiencing to take advantage of the situation to step in for their own reasons - not ours. And by not dealing with our elected officials they are using the age old divide and rule method to great effect (as can be seen in here esp. with all those Aussies logging in and ranting). Ganain - none of the proposals clearly address the issues we face.
Name: Broken Records
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 03:39:34 PM
Agree with you Joan...but it is not just the islanders that are fighting for retention of what we have got...it includes many that have settled here and have been settled here for a very long time...it has to be recognised that for any one to step in after many years of self propulsion would of course have to cause bow waves as extreme as it has...and lack of information, understanding & direction...coupled with romours, untruths and general talk of the town just expands that ten fold. It is true that the Government of the past and today has not put plans in place that should have been done long ago and we are now paying for it!...but in fairness to those who have served on assembly and are still serving they can not take the blame totally...the world around us has changed and in turn so has the cost of maintaining our island...an island which the only real bulk of income comes form tourisim...this is where the problems has started...after 911, Bali Bombings, two murders, Airline collapse, rising fuel prices (globally), etc travel is limited to a few...consider the attraction to the island...whilst there is a lot for us to harp on about and promote, people have their own reasons for choosing other destinations...can Norfolk Island provide as much that they want??? Possibly not and out of our control...it is no wonder we have come to a point where the only way to stay from sinking is to have closer ties with Canberra...certainly if this island was financially well off then I would also say to hell with the Australian Government...but sadly this is not the case and I like many are finding life a little tougher month by month...now the assembly has pushed the NSL to the front and up the Customs Duty to boot...now watch the wild fowl dissapear from Kingston and reserve a fishing spot for me...how much do we pay for our power now?? These extra costs are going to flow off onto the visitors as well...the general crux of it we will sink further...now if the Government of the Day had ways of creating income or an alternate source of income we may get somewhere...alternate income is what we need to supplement and create work for the community...to announce possible 9 day fortnights for the public service does not help the economy...forcing the private sector to shell out more money does not help an economy...certainly drags in more money for the Government to spend...it is time that the Norfolk Island Government acknowledge the truth and work with the Australian Government and not against...as I say Come on Aussie Come on!
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 03:23:24 PM
Thank you Ritchi for your input - although it does look fairly large I really think people need to get past the asthetics of such things and look at the big picture (quite literally)!!! Another good link is http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/renewable/recp/wave/one.html
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 12:33:51 PM
Broken record - I agree wholeheartedly - nothing can take away the Norfolkness of someone who still has it in their heart. What is troubling is the sharp division between the mainlanders and the islanders (in itself a problem - does it include only families from the original mutiny - Christian, Quintal etc, those who settled on pitcairn - Buffett, Nobbs etc or those who have settled after 1856 but intermarried - Rossiter, Saunders etc). Although this has always been an issue, the stance taken by the descendents of Pitcairn (including Mrs Christian-Bailey etc)means that many people who are articulate, smart and JUST as passionate about Norfolk are being sidelined and frightened off by the debate. I think that there is an assumption that people NOT of islander descent would rather be taken over by Australia. This is not the case for many - people on both sides are just fed up with the corruption, nepotism and backstabbing that has occured over the past 27 years. The island is broke (and not just in monetary terms - feel the lack of spirit and joy in people) and something needs to be done to fix it. As Elva Yager used to say "Wakey Wakey - see what is happening to our Garden of Eden". I know it is not an exact quotation but it is the same sentiment she used to use!
Name: Broken Records
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 10:06:27 AM
Well this subject may be like a broken record, but get use to it until something actually happens and we actually no what direction we are heading in...nothing factual has emerged and won't emerge until all the investigations and data collective is done and complete...Norlarnen you have a right to your opinions and a right to fight for what you believe in...keep it up...but in reality where does Norfolk island stand at this present time if Canberra does not step in? How does a falling population...increase in government charges...an introduction of a GST named NSL re invigorate a Norfolk Island? I don't know about all yorlye but the cost of living is heading out the door for many who are now leaving the island...ask Immigration for the on island local figures and you will quickly see that Norfolk Island will never be in any position to look after itself if the trend continues...to re invigorate a community one has to increase employment and population to help share the burden of the cost to run an island...we must rely on tourisim to make up the short fall in income...wether we like it or not Canberra is correct in stating that Norfolk will become insolvent if they do nothing...there is no magic wand out there that will allow Norfolk to return to post depression...we have to get use to that...to say that Australian Government in taking over Norfolk Island is going to lead to incresed costs...well our government is doing that on their own very nicely...as for being Australian...are Cocos and Christmas Islanders are no more Australian than you and I are...Remeber that if you are Norfolk Island Born and bred or a decendant for that matter no Government in the world can ever take that away from you...as for asking the local government for answers, have tried no reply...have emailed Canberra and have had 100% return on all correspondance...Norlarnen I to oam concerned with a take over as I would say the majority of forum posters...but I say bring it on...Come on Aussie Come on!
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 26 June 2006
Time: 06:35:34 AM
Good Morning All...Hope everyone had a great weekend! I have my interpretation of the following topic but would appreciate some input from others. CULTURE!! What is culture? Where does it come from? Where does it live? How does it survive? Have a good day!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 25 June 2006
Time: 06:33:45 PM
????, Canberra's legal claim to Norfolk is a fact, but so is our semi independence and high level of self government, you choose to ignore this fact in your jingoistic fervour. Norfolk has its options as you will see. As for what the Minister said, imagine if we believed half of what politicians said! As for those off island knowing anything, Norfolk has had internet for a while and phones a heck of a lot longer! God Bless orl uwas sullun esp dem nor tek en et layen dun.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 25 June 2006
Time: 04:15:48 PM
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Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 05:37:05 PM
I agree with you on all your points Joan. We don't want the really nasty and slanderous personal attacks, but all the rest is fine. If you give something, you got to be prepared to take some back. Good healthy debate on any issue is what the forum is all about. And how boring it would be if we all agreed on everything. I say go for it within reason, and those that are bored, start a new subject on something you are interested in.
Name: ConcernedX2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 05:13:12 PM
Gotcha- I'm scared now!!! Just try it, Buddy!! I'll be waiting!!!!!!!
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 04:40:55 PM
Re Energy & Desalination the trial plant is not at Kiama but at Port Kembla. Just punch ENERGETCH into your search engine and read about Electricity generation an Desalinationt trial at Port Kembla near Wollongong Australia
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 04:28:28 PM
Norlarnen wrote - we are not going to take this lying down. You steadfastly refuse to accept the fact that Australia has the legal right to do it, and will do it, as the Minister said in his statement - "doing nothing is not an option"
Name: Eric Cartman
Email: Cartman@mtvstaff.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 03:56:56 PM
Roxanne, luv your work! The European Commission very recently approved €220 million funding for renewable energy projects in the Pacific Islands. Full details and application forms may be downloaded here: http://ec.europa.eu/comm/europeaid/tender/index_en.htm : How about lobbying the LA via Loppy [both very bright & engineering oriented]with this presentation: www.cleanair.web.ca/whatsnew/biogas.pdf - to form an 'NI BioGas Association' (necessary condition to apply for EU funding)--Germany is the world leader in BioGas technology - German BioGas Association contact: Claudius DA COSTA GOMEZ Email: dcg@biogas.org http://www.renewables-made-in-germany.com/en/biogas/ - Go you good thing!
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 02:25:15 PM
I agree with the following: 1. we are all sounding like broken records, 2. the community (including businesses) are paying an unfair amount of the costs of running, 3. alternative sources of power generation need to be found - what about using sea power (I think it was trialed at Kiama or somewhere else on the south coast of nsw), 4. so called 'outsiders' care just as much as islanders about the island and therefore should put input, and 5. it is a worry when the coffee shops are empty 2 weeks after Anniversary Day. Lastly if people dont want to hear (well read) so called naesy comments DONT READ THE FORUM!!! Where else are we all going to get our entertainment if people dont keep submitting "small" issues.
Name: Curious
Email: what_a_joke.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 01:51:03 PM
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of people living off island who purport to know it all. If it were that viable here, then why are you all still living in far away places??? unless you are here amongst the community, how the hell can you claim to "know wbaout anything"?
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 11:56:32 AM
Hi Norlaman..I wasn't being sarcastic. I was asking a real question! I walked along Taylors Road at morning tea time & the 3 coffee shops from the round-a-bout walking towards Westpac were empty! How are they going to afford this? I just feel that Private Enterprise isn't a bottomless pit that you keep taxing without giving anything back! My idea for alternative energy was Biogas which is very affordable to every household, if you start small! Have a good day!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 11:22:10 AM
Roxanne, Well lets say that when you find out just how much it costs to put in a your desalination system (the costs of tanks, pumps, running pipes from the ocean etc.) you will get a real understanding of just what it costs to run a small island that pretty much provides all of it's own services. When you run out of money you will need to find more - by going to your consumers! Good Luck Girl! p.s. Your prediction of Australia taking over in 12months is far from a given, esp. if what I heard recently is true! We're not all taking it lying down!
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 23 June 2006
Time: 07:47:56 AM
O.K. Norlamen, Let's talk about something that is happening now..it will be introduced on the 1st July, 2006..NSL!!!!Private Enterprise was given 6 weeks to impliment the changes..where will the money come from to pay for this..you guessed it the consumer..yet another levy that will raise the cost of living. At Wednesdays Assembly meeting did they not say they were increasing the duty on food imports..let's hit the consumer yet again. Could you explain the sense of introducing this NSL 12 months prior to Australia introducing tax? Maybe you could make some sense of this for all of us?!
Name: flying high
Email: @norfolk
Country: Cocos Islands
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 10:50:31 PM
to "üp in the airs" ..........well said charles..........
Name: flying high
Email: @norfolk
Country: Cocos Islands
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 10:50:29 PM
to "üp in the airs" ..........well said charles..........
Name: Bored
Email: bored_to_tears.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 10:00:45 PM
Yorlye semmes one cracked record. Shrep alorng wah en write boet something alse. Yorlye's input is over en over en getten real BORING!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 08:52:55 PM
????, Taking an opposing view to Canberra and apparently you is not Aussie bashing - you still haven't given any answers as to why Canberra is taking the place over without any consultation with our elected officials, no referendum to the people - how can this tyranny go by without a comment regardless of what side of the fence you stand? You haven't shown how the proposed solutions from Canberra fix the problems that we have. Where will additional funding for the hospital come from, education? Is Canberra going to put in new roads? What kind of impact do you think paying tax will have on the price of food and services on the island? You appear to be trying to pass yourself off as caring for Norfolk but you take any and every opportunity to put us down and give the impression that we would be lucky to have Canberra take over - if you care so deeply about it as I do, then explain why its going to be better. Because so far from what I have read of your submissions we are on the road to being the same as East Timor without Australia taking the place over - one of the poorest countries in the world! Your knee jerk reaction to someone who has a view different to yours is to slander them as you have on your last submission. As for what do I have to lose in all of this? How about a unique culture and way of life that I cherish. You talk about me not caring for future generations of Norfolk Islanders - if you have your way, Norfolk Islanders will be EXTINCT! If you are tired of these arguments then why bother keep coming in here? this is our future and the forum is one avenue for us to discuss it - for you to be so rude as to say this very important moment in our history is boring you indicates the same kind of contempt and disregard for Norfolk Islanders as we have come to expect from Canberra. You may be tired of these arguments but you haven't answered any of the questions asked and continue blindly pushing your jingoistic views. I have travelled widely and have found that Australians as a people are extremely proud of their country and it's achievements but this shouldn't be at the expense of others, I believe it is this that is preventing you from seeing the Norfolk Issue without bias.
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 07:33:16 PM
You got it right on the head "Up In The Air" sick of the same old rhetoric. No matter what you ask Norlarnen, you get the same old Aussie bashing garbage. He/she whoever Norlarnen is obviously trying to protect their own interest without any regard to the real future of Norfolk Island and the coming generations.
Name: Up in the air
Email: air.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 06:57:25 PM
Maybe people are sick of the same old argument. Time will tell whether all the ranting and raving on both sides will mean aything. Maybe they are just waiting until something happens re government and while it won't happen overnight, it will happen. I have to say that the latest letter in the paper from Mrs C B was a pleasure to read. That lady expresses herself in such a genuine and concerned manner. As she says, she is a mainlander who has chosen to make her home on Norfolk but sees the plight of the history of Norfolk. I just feel it is out of everyone's hands and think we should be negotiating asap for some more say in vital and sensitive areas that needs an advisory council of Norfolk Islanders and long term residents
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 03:05:58 PM
Pouri, I don't know whether it's your sarcasm or my asking for clarification of Australia's claim over our isle above that of Norfolk Islanders that has scared them off. Its pretty easy to log in here and throw around one liners from the most recent news such as equating Norfolk as being the same basket case as East Timor and PNG, or the Solomons fiasco with the PRC and ROC allegations of bribery etc. But where are these fellows when asked to back up their arguments? Especially the arguments the completely dismiss Norfolk Islanders the right to continued self government and control of their destiny.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 02:56:18 PM
Name: Gotcha
Email: gotcha_now.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 07:32:00 AM
Tread very carefully ConcernedX2. let me tell you, we are monitoring you and know exactly who you are and where you are, so expect a knock at your door!
Name: ConcernedX2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2006
Time: 02:15:10 AM
Embrace the truth people, as it will set you free! We are not negative, maybe a little protaganistic, even in your face, but if we have to get in your face for the truth to be heard and a FAIR TRIAL for the accused, then IN YOUR FACE WE SHALL BE!!!!! Get used to it, yorley.
Name: Pouri
Email: q@w
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 21 June 2006
Time: 09:16:26 AM
I hope you detected the sarcasm Nor Larnen. All the financial support we have received over the years is in fact a pittance compared to what other pacific islands receive, and nearly always with far less strings attached?
Name: a norfolk islander
Email: sleepless@Munich
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 06:24:38 PM
how about a great big thank you to the wonderful european migrants who brought the beautiful game 'down under', I look forward to the day when names such as Viduka, Aloisi & Brescianni etc. are held in just as high esteem as the Bradmans, Phar Laps & Charltons- who would have thought that a soccer team from australia could kick brazilian arse till they samba'd, if it were'nt for that Kraut ref. who no doubt had nazi rellies on the run in brazil, the aussies would have won by a motza
Name: Ironic
Email: ironic@
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 06:21:28 PM
heh..I think it's rather ironic that of the previous post saying they are sick of negativity and look at what sort of message they are portraying...NEGATIVITY! Hmmmmm
Name: Sick of Negativity on Here
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 05:48:40 PM
ConcernedX2 - why don't you just butt out and mind your bloody business. You along with many others on here are a right pain in the butt. Why don't you all go fly a kite? Keep your innuendo and crap to yourselves and get a F****** LIFE! You pathetic moron.
Name: ConcernedX2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 05:30:15 PM
I see once again, our right to freedom of speech has been taken away by NIDS. Justice will never prevail if this continues. If I am in contempt of court for airing the truths that others would have suppressed, then I say "BRING IT ON, BABY!!" Seems strange that the press can say what they like and we small people have to bite our tongues!!
Name: facts
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 05:11:01 PM
Well said Joan re the airlines! Exactly, if you pay for a service then you should expect that you receive the service you paid for on the scheduled day! (especially for the amount one has to pay to get to Norfolk!) And if for some reason Ozjet cannot make the scheduled flight then they should compensate their customers for that. And as you have mentioned before, lack of communication to the travellers just only adds to their frustration. If they are kept in the loop, then they probably will be less frustrated.
Name: norlarnen
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 04:19:31 PM
Pouri, That argument is petty but the worst of it is that it is that the core of what many believe to be a reasonable claim over us by Canberra - as they have offered us these benefits and financial support over the years they now have full right to take us over without any consideration whatsoever. Talk about take the blinkers off
Name: Pouri
Email: W@k
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 12:49:59 PM
Perhaps if we were billed by the various education institutes in Aus, them we could offset the cost of us providing school education for all the transient kids that come over here and use our school. Maybe the Aus gov could bill ALL the overseas kids that utilise their education system. Face it "Just wondering" , your argument is flawed .
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 12:00:14 PM
Re the airline I think like most people, I want the ozjet experiment (and it is that an experiment - how can an airline go broke so quickly on the most profitable service in Australia: the Sydney/Melbourne run) to succeed, HOWEVER, I really don't think waiting for an airline is good enough. I can understand the frustration about hanging around (particularly with kids) the airport - it's really stressful. I dont know what ozjet is like but if it is like norfolk jet or flight west, the only information you can rely is relatives on Norfolk giving updates. It the lack of reliable information (or at times any information) that distresses and frustrates travellers.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2006
Time: 10:08:26 AM
Somtimes I Wonder and ?????, I always try to address the issues raised in responding to postings in here, in return I would ask you to do the same on the points I made in my last posting. Not to do so seems to imply that you can not and that the points I make are inconvienient as they are true and your view is at odds with the facts. Norfolk Islanders have a legitimate claim to Norfolk Island based on historical facts - we were pretty much the sole inhabitants of the island for 100 of the last 150 years. So what is Australia's claim based on? That they usurped it from under us - a small band of poor and simple fisherfolk and farmers 100 years ago? And now because you are bigger and more powerful you get to march right on in and tell us how its going to be? To read of your complete dismisal of our rightful claim (a legitimate one widely been recognised, even by Canberra when we recieved such a high degree of self government and independence in 1979) is entirely symptomatic of the attitude emanating out of Canberra and at the crux of this whole issue. It may seem I have a narrow view but recognising and establishing this point is I believe central to developing a model for the future which accounts for Norfolk's uniqueness - it does not need to be exclusive. To go into all of the other issues without estabishing this is a grave mistake and one we will certainly live to regret. I also abhor the suggestion that as Canberra have paid their way their just reward is unilateral control of Norfolk Island. As for not believing what the NIG says they posted a response to the the Federal Governments plans on their website soon after the plans for the political take over of Norfolk Island were announced and in it they strongly expressed their concerns at being left completely out of the decsion making process. There has been no public consultation with our freely elected officials nor has their been a referendum. It may be convienient to your arguments to dismiss these points but it doesn't make you right.
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 10:12:16 PM
So true, and up until a few weeks ago the Chief Minister would not even answer or acknowledge any requests from the Minister. The facts are that everything is under investigation and nothing will be decided until the Minister reports back to the Government, now expected to be early October 2006.
Name: Sometimes I wonder
Email: Sometimes.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 09:54:47 PM
The old "This is our Island" cry doesn't cut it anymore. Norfolk is an external territory of Australia. Canberra has poured money and energy into Norfolk for years. Up until now, there has been no tax paid so why should taxpayers forego positions in schools uni and hospitals for non taxpayers. I am aware that some people have private cover.I am also aware that Norfolk has produced skilled and brilliant people who have done well for themselves and for Norfolk. I am also aware of the wonderful record and wall of rememberance of the men and women who although Norfolk island born still fought under the Australian flag. It is time to think of what is best long term for Norfolk and the facts are Norfolk is in deep trouble.While you say that the Govt. has not been consulted, how do you know what you are being fed is the truth by N.I. The ex chief minister openly attempted to intimidate people by telling them they would go to jail if they signed a petition a few years ago. I wouldn.t believe much from his corner.
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 09:26:55 PM
Norlarnen you are starting to sound like a broken record. Time to take your blinkers off and look at the whole picture. Your views on the forum are very narrow.
Name: previous post
Email: asabove
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 08:18:17 PM
sorry i cant spell because i didnt do well at school........i think its kirribili?
Name: little johnny howard
Email: kirribiily@house
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 08:15:44 PM
clearly yes.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 08:03:15 PM
Keep on wondering....why there is such resistance by many Norfolk Islanders to this take over? Because the solution does not fit the problem. And no, stop assuming the NIG has been consulted, they have been told some of what is happening, but no specifics and we have asked and asked and asked...You are not seeing the facts, which are, we are not Australia - we do not have any historical cultural links, any move towards establishing such should be done in consultation with our elected representatives not unilaterally decided by Canberra. Your argument is small minded and futile - so we avail ourselvbes of the services available in Australia - we pay for them too, does that mean we should give up our self govvernment and independence?
Name: hay hay hay
Email: whilethesunshines@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 07:55:47 PM
wake up" sorry ferret"the NI gov. did do really well to get everyone here and home again for the one day that really counts for the whole year here........bounty day.........HOWEVER it is all about money now and if chartering planes full, only to fly back empty and bring them all back empty to take everyone home again is the NEW NI GOVS. answer to our financial voes, then god help all ucklan.
Name: Sometime I wonder
Email: sometimes@aus.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 06:58:06 PM
Sometime I wonder if these postings are for real. Of course the NI Govt. knows what is going on and if they don't maybe it is because they wish they didn't. Quite frankly I would be happy to cut NI adrift and watch all those people who don't live in reality financially support the Island. No funds is there. Could those people's plan B be to ask Taiwan or China for help. Dangerous plan B that would be, talk about living under a dictatorship ....... Pretending ignorance is scaremongering . Maybe all those people so much against what is happening could go elsewhere for hospital treatment and stop sending the kids to mainland schools and uni. It is going to happen and as with all democracies, not everyone agrees. I didn't vote for Howard govt. but am grown up enough to accept that he won. The healthy survival of Norfolk is more important that personal opinion.
Name: Facts
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 06:18:32 PM
It's not a case of whinging, it's a case of stating the facts! And Sorry Furrett, good to hear that you haven't felt frustrated in the slightest way while waiting at Brisbane airport for 3 hours for your flight.
Name: Sorry Furrett
Email: stop_whingeing.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 05:52:59 PM
Good on you Esstrue. Aren't people quick to criticize???? Anyone would think Qantas, Virgin Blue and other Ozzie flights are always on time. I have been stuck in Brisbane airport for up to 3 hours waiting for a delayed flight. No need whingeing as it is always out of the hands of travelers. It is sad how some people just get off on bloody complaining and whingeing. How sickening, boring and repetitive. How about a change of topic and conversation on here...........and something positive.
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 04:41:19 PM
Somethings are just outside airlines control. give credit where credit is due. The airlines managed to get record numbers onto and off norfolk island for bounty week. By all accounts Bounty week went really well. Unfortunately there was some unavoidable changes but all in all most were handled as best as they could have been. Did any of you read about the computer breakdown in Melbourne which stuffed up flights right around australia including those coming here. I would expect to see a return to normal flights and schedules now the mayhem of bounty week is over. Good luck all ucklun - good luck Ozjet.
Name: Aircraft troubles Already?
Email: puttputt@
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 03:07:39 PM
Carli-Ann, well that's right. It could be because the NI Government has no money! Norfolk should have a "plan B" because obviously their current running of the Island isn't bringing them out of debt. Perhaps they need to explore a different avenue that possibly can bring them out of debt or at least make a start in that direction.
Name: joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 12:33:35 PM
It is a bit of a worry about the airline (again). Given the numbers of travellers who are a bit older, there needs to be a little bit more given to changing willy nilly the schedule. If they are going to charge us so much for the tickets, then at least give us a decent service!!
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 12:09:32 PM
KaaWaa, Our freely elected government is well documented online as saying they have not been consulted or informed by Canberra of what is happening, how it's happening, why it's happening or when it's happening. As for fighting it, we just need to be sure to stick together and resist their bullying.
Name: aircraft _troublesAlready?!
Email: puttputt@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 11:35:05 AM
Well it didn't take long for the airline Ozjet to start missing scheduled flights etc. That really is going to "appeal" to all the tourists flying to Norfolk and to find out that their flight has been cancelled or re-scheduled! What a turn off! What is the problems with the airlines? What is going on? Why can't they stick to their scheduled flights? Why are they stuffing up again? Remember guys, that network marketing - Word of mouth, is a very powerful tool! And if there are dissatisfied passengers, they are not going to recommend flying to Norfolk with the airlines messing them about, are they now?! Makes me kind of wonder how I will fair flying to Norfolk at the end of the year! And if the airlines stuff me around, I tell you I won't be a happy customer!
Name: Hear Hear
Email: hear.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 10:58:58 AM
Words of Wisdom Cah Foot. I too believe in going right to the source rather than listening to rumour and then having it 5th, 6th or 7th hand and twisted out of proportion something shocking. It is sad to think some people actually thrive on listening to and spreading rumour, untruths and utter crap. I believe it is an illness. No wonder plenty like me stay at home and don't venture too far plus no one can accuse me of talking rubbish.
Name: Cah Foot
Email: here@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 10:52:47 AM
Kaa Waa - why don't you find out from the NIG what is happening?? or is it you are not on the island? Don't listen to 'dem tull' or 'rumour'. Get the info from the horses' mouth. There is a great deal of crap going on over here amongst some - so it is much better to go right to the source.
Name: Move on Yorlye
Email: on_the_rock.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 06:44:58 AM
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 19 June 2006
Time: 01:13:46 AM
...<sigh>... :(
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 11:32:11 PM
?????, Washington has the power to take over any place they like and under any pretence that pleases them, as they have proven enough times around the world over the last century - and in none of them did they need a legitimate claim!!! As for Australia doing such to Norfolk as they are, I say if we have as much say in this as we decide - which is to say we decide if we take it lying down or not. Norfolk Islanders DO NOT have to stand for this and I damn well hope they will not. We are NOT Australia and do not have to stand for them unilaterally deciding to take the place over without any meaningful dialogue with our freely elected representatives or through a referendum. We do not live under a dictatorship on the island or off it and I believe that our people as a whole will persevere in the face of this tyranny. Ghandi is worth rereading! As for your silly comments on East Timor or Papua New Guniea I will simply suggest you compare our per capita imcomes and leave it at that. As for a sustainable financial model - that is a whole other discussion, which is conveniently being used as a cover to grab control of Norfolk Island by Canberra that I will not be drawn into while this much larger and urgent issue is on the table. My point remains the same, why is Canberra making a unilateral decsion to take full control of Norfolk Island without the consent of her people?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 11:13:19 PM
For those that don't know about it and may be interested. The school on Pitcairn Island has a monthly online newsletter called the "Pitcairn Miscellany". It is a great little magazine with all the news and some photo's of happenings on Pitcairn Island. It costs US$10 per year to subscribe and you receive an email each month when the new edition is online. All the proceeds go to help purchase equipment for the school, so it is an easy and low cost way to help out a little, plus keep up with the happenings on Pitcairn. http://www.miscellany.pn/
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 10:42:36 PM
Before I get jumped on from above as I know I will, in my last post I was not inferring that Buffetts-Evans and Nobbs were not Bounty descendants. I was merely stating that as Famous Pitcairn Surnames, they were not actually mutineers, although anyone descending from them are Bounty descendants through there wives Dorothy Young - Rachel Adams and Sarah Christian respectivley. God forgive !!! you can get in enough trouble on this forum without looking for it !! Cheers
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 08:13:13 PM
Thanks Karen. That is a great question you posted and should stir up some interesting debate. If you go to the Descendants of Bounty Website, you will see they have 9408 names listed, but I am sure this is far from complete and up to date http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ourbounty/bounty/genealogy/index.html I have done a few sums using 3 different formula's. Firstly I included all people and descendants from Pitcairn Island, not only the Bounty people, (ie, Buffetts, Evans, Nobbs etc. So if you start with the original 27 people that settled Pitcairn in 1790, and take their population growth until they moved to Norfolk in 1856, as 194 people, a growth rate of 720% over 66 years. If you continue that same growth rate over the next 150 years to today, then it comes out at about 31,000 people. The other 2 ways I did was by traditional formulas for family growth and one came out at 32,000 and the other at 34,000. So my guess is that worldwide today, there is about 30-35,000 people walking around with Pitcairn blood in them. Interested to hear from others on this one.
Name: KaaWaa
Email: no_au@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 07:01:04 PM
Can someone please tell me exactly what is happening with Australia trying to take over? Are the any time frames, etc? Or is this information not allowed to leave the offices of Kingston?
Name: Karen
Email: @syd
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 06:46:21 PM
Does anyone know how many Descendants of the Bounty (Pitcairners/Norfolk Islanders) there would be worldwide now.
Name: Karen
Email: @syd
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 06:05:05 PM
Love your history tid-bits Grayeme. So interesting to read.Thanks
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 05:28:22 PM
Someone asked the question on the forum some time ago regarding any official paperwork available in regards to the Order in Council by Queen Victoria and the granting of Norfolk Island to the Pitcairners in 1856. At that time I did not know of it's existence, but have now unearthed the following. 78 pages. http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp
Name: Hear Ye
Email: @Aus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 04:17:08 PM
Hear Ye Hear Ye..????
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 02:43:03 PM
Norlarnen, it is your argument that is "silly". Washington has no power whatsoever to ever be able to "Take over Australia as you say". However, "The Commonwealth of Australia" does have that power over Norfolk Island, and the power to make decisions on the current situation, whether you like it or not. I think you should be greatful that Norfolk was not given "Independance" in 1979, as by now, it would have already degenerated into a "Third World Nation". Just take a little look at Papua New Guinea and East Timor. Maybe you could give us what you think is the long term solution to Norfolks financial problems, if you want Australia to "butt out". I have read through all the submission submitted by Norfolk Island to the CGC and unfortunatly I don't see any answers there. http://www.cgc.gov.au/
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 18 June 2006
Time: 04:10:01 AM
Anna, like I said, that should be our decsion. A simple extenstion of your argument would be that Washington could unilaterally decide to takeover Australia if their government was in debt. It is just a silly argument to make and doesn't make any sense in the real world let alone when one considers all of the realities of the Norfolk situation. If we isolate that the real problem here is financial sustainability then how on gods green earth will giving immigration over the Canberra and charging the locals tax fix the problems? And how does the latter do anything but increase the costs for the local community? And do you really think they will come and fix the roads!!!! More importantly why would Canberra unilaterally say - this is the solution that we are going to force upon you? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see there is a lot more going on here than "poor Norfolk, needs a new financial model". If you're buying into that you may as well be living in Communist China, you'd be a model citizen, eating up all that propaganda!
Name: Anna
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 17 June 2006
Time: 08:15:45 PM
I understand to angst at what is going to happen regarding the running of Norfolk Island by the Australian Government. Ask yourselves, have our elected representatives managed our finances in a satisfactory manner in the present and past? If you agree then its high time Australia took control. When you have locals in there managing the money and it has been a disaster, what did you expect. Someone has to go in and take control of the finances before the island is brought to its knees in debt. Its too late to climb back out of this mess.
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 17 June 2006
Time: 06:31:13 PM
There have been various projects over the years, The Pitcairn decsendents started one many years ago doing audio recordings and I think Smithy was doing something a while back too with recording some of the oldies stories. I know this link was posted up here before but I think Mary's political commentary is well worth the read and would like to share it with those who may have missed it. For me it captures some of the essence of what is to be in a Norfolk family and community while also being a very well written and down to earth critique of the current political crisis being foisted upon us by Canberra - http://angelsandeagles.blogspot.com/
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 17 June 2006
Time: 05:15:50 PM
Norlarnen, a good while ago there was a posting on forum suggesting a "Memory Book" of Norfolk Islanders who have gone "down town" to reside. A page of pics or pic and a page giving who is that person and a brief history.I find it interesting that if you mention some of the oldies who have long passed on they don't readily come to mind these days . I think this would be lovely and have not heard any more. Some of our "story tellers" are really getting on and it seems a shame to lose a lovely part of Norfolk because these tales are not carried on.A pictorial anecdotal history which could be added to as need be. I for one would be happy to contribute funds to help. What do you think?
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 17 June 2006
Time: 11:38:19 AM
Ho Hum, Any predictions on the impact of the changes at this stage are purely conjecture. The real question is why should we give over to Canberra control over who can and can't live on Norfolk, which will be decided on a set of criteria completely different to what we use now - which is based on what our community needs, not a bunch of foreigners in Canberra. With all due respect to Grayeme and Garlic for their comments yesterday, it doesn't matter what Canberra's reasons are for FORCING THEIR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT UPON US. Any changes in our current system of self government should come from us. To see it any other way is to confuse the issue.
Name: Garlic
Email: think.L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 17 June 2006
Time: 11:12:22 AM
'onlyamatteroftime': thanx, out of respect for some of the elders - who are genuinely good hearted people - I've held my fire until the passing of the sesquicentenary; it's now time for the Feds to get in there, build a decent jail (unlike the resort for kiddie-rapists on Pitcairn) & lock some of these dimwitted Deliverance-style imbeciles away for a long time
Name: Deanne
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 07:57:35 PM
Am I right in thinking David Buffett is back on the throne as Chief Minister? God help yorlye if this is the case.
Name: Garlic
Email: think.L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 07:32:31 PM
Nice of you to be diplomatic Grayeme, but the real reason Canberra is intervening is the unstated, but widely held perception, that Norfolk has been degenerating for some years now toward a basketcase debacle scenario - a kind of mishmash between Pitcairn & East Timor; & with the ex-puckapunyal shithouse cleaner now back on the Honcho throne [in a manner of speaking] WHO CAN BLAME THEM!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 06:37:15 PM
You make some very real points HoHum. I think there is a lot of scaremongering going on on Norfolk at the moment. By it very own nature, Norfolk will not become a mecca for all and sundry to move to, it is limited in its capacity to sustain any great population growth, and will just continue as a holiday destination for outsiders. I beleive the only reason the Commonwealth wants control of immigration and customs is purely for security reasons. The world has changed so much in the last few years and security is such an issue, that as a Territory of the Commonwealth, Immigration and Customs on Norfolk Island must come under the same umbrella as the rest of Australia.
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 06:28:15 PM
To the readers of this forum, I apologise for the last entry of mine re the mixed up text. Must be having a senior moment. Sorry it sort of makes sense.Have a good weekend yorle
Name: karen
Email: @syd
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 06:25:33 PM
....and learn some manners and decency. Congratulations to ???? whoever they are for maintaining their integrity.
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 06:24:45 PM
Correct me if i am wrong, Commonwealth Law can over ride local law and I think to hold a position in parliament and therefore a position on Assembly one has to be an Australian citizen. I believe that to hold a position in parliament and therefore Assembly commonwealth law deems you to be an Australian citizen. There is a choice. Also Commonwealth law may override local law. As far as immigration goes, I would be surprised if there will be a great rush because not everyone when faced with reality of living in an isolated area finds it attractive no matter how beautiful and inviting the place is. Will the rfds or Air Ambulance service Norfolk when all this happens. Freight continuse to rise and the cost of living is high. The one good thing is that Norfolk will alwways be there and people will be able to see her beauty and experience her history by taking a holiday.
Name: ohno
Email: @nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 06:15:41 PM
please don't make it too soon to come back garlic
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 05:27:08 PM
And this is another one I had "Digitised". This is copy of the Declaration from the "Court of Buckingham Palace" that placed Norfolk Island under the control of the "Commonwealth of Australia". http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp Enjoy your weekend reading.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 05:17:56 PM
Change of subject. Just had this "Digitised" by the National Archives. It is a report on the visit by the Minister for External Affairs to Norfolk Island in 1914. It is a very good account of what life was like on the Island back then. It is 213 pages, but you can skip through the pages at the start, as the report realy starts at page 26. Go here - http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=31016&I=1&SE=0
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 05:13:17 PM
Come on Fella's. Lets cool it eh !!
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 01:50:07 PM
Thanks norlarnen for your response. I would have thought that losing the immigration rights would be the biggest issue for Norfolk - I know that there are some "strange" existing locals(very few and far between), but it really is hard for someone in Canberra to vet someone wanting to live on Norfolk (or in fact will no one be vetting potential residents now or into the future)?
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 11:16:25 AM
Ho Hum, Well realistically, if you are a long term resident of Norfolk and have sincere intentions to serve on our assembly what does that have to be with being an Australian citizen? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, at least not until a couple of years ago. What changed? some beauracrats in Canberra decided they would force al assembly memebers to become Australian citizens. I felt then that this was another "tip of the iceberg" incident and that it was a mistake for us to take it lying down, the Assembly of the day should have refused. I don't think it is fair to be critical of anyone who is forced to take out citizenship under such circumstances, its Canberra that have opened themselves for abuse by enforcing this and they are in no position to expect anything from someone taking an oath made under such circumstances. Canberra were just laying the ground work for what they are doing now. As for refferring to "them" as Canberra, its an important distinction, my beef has nothing to do with Australia.
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 10:43:41 AM
Good to hear your reply Norlarnen. I have been wondering where you are.I was aware of your answer when I posted my thoughts. My question still is, the reasons citizenship is sought in the first place. If it is only for convenience and you are not sincere then it must be for your own selfish reasons, not because you believe in the oath you are taking. Same goes for residency on Norfolk. If you truly love Norfolk and believe your future is there, there is a 99% chance you will be a good citizen. We all know that is not always the case. I enjoy reading your views and don't believe malice should be part of the forum But it never hurts to pose the question.I am impressed that you define the argument is with Canberra and not Australia in general. But then I would expect no less of you, you are very well informed and it shows.
Name: looking into it
Email: nastytastinggarlicnot@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 10:20:57 AM
hey garlic, your additions started as interesting, then became a little far fetched and boardered on nuttiness. your last 2 entries are just rude and offensive........perhaps you could take it elsewhere?????
Name: Garlic
Email: think.L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 10:08:55 AM
Halitosis: fuut yu nor PILLI yu's haid up yu's POATE un inhaele - gwen du yu's haeletoesis guud
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 09:47:11 AM
Name: Ho Hum Email: lookinaut.com Country: Australia Date: Friday, 02 June 2006 Time: 11:15:33 AM Comments A few weeks ago the THEN Chief Minister was asked about a rumour circulating re a job on the Mainland. His reply made me think that if he holds the thought of living on the mainland of Aus so bad then why take out Australian Citizenship in the first place. Oh thats right, one has to be an Australian citizen to hold a position on the Assembly. Makes you wonder how sincere the application and oath taken was. Something to think about all round isn't it. THE NECESSITY OF AUSTRALIAN CITIZENSHIP TO SERVE ON THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY WAS ONLY RELATIVELY RECENTLY INTRODUCED. THIS WAS FORCED UPON US BY CANBERRA. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE ON THE ISLAND CHOSE OR AGREED TO. SUCH BULLYING IS HARDLY GOING TO ENDEAR ANYONE LET ALONE FOSTER SINCERE ALLEGIANCE TO CANBERRA.
Name: Halitosis
Email: garlicsolution.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 09:33:22 AM
Heres a thought, Garlic, Roxanne why don't you exchange email addresses and go to town. Then everyone will be happy. Have a great day.
Name: Living in Sydney
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006
Time: 09:02:38 AM
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE REPLY TO LIVING IN SYDNEY EMAIL SENT TO NI FORUM ON 14/6 RE BOUNTY DAY. THANK YOU.
Name: ????
Email: @interested
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 15 June 2006
Time: 07:51:25 PM
Hey Garlic - have you ever been to Norfolk Island ???
Name: Garlic
Email: think.L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 15 June 2006
Time: 11:35:51 AM
so Shari, put your micro-brain where your mega-mouth is & give us a "good mix of topics to debate" - what's really needed is more people who can think outside the square, like Roxanne, not prima donnas having a tizzy like YOU
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 15 June 2006
Time: 07:39:00 AM
Sorry Shari...but, as with everybody who contributes to this forum, you can submit any topic you like! I don't know if you realise it but the topics being discussed actually relate to something you brought up a while back when you were remembering what Norfolk "was" like before the Tourism $$$$$ became so important. My "dream" is that Norfolk stops trying to keep up with other Tourist destinations & becomes Utopia it was meant to be & that means we have to explore alternatives. Imagine it if you didn't have to rely on memories & Norfolk became just how you remember it? Creeks you would have played in as a child in 1956 don't flow anymore! Could that be because the water table is being depleted? What would life be like without water?
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Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 15 June 2006
Time: 01:01:57 AM
Change of topic guys..... garlic growing has run its course. To make this forum interesting we need a good mix of topics to debate.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 June 2006
Time: 05:18:03 PM
Cheers Roxanne, I hope there is support for you with your ideas. Keep up the good work and energy and keep us posted.
Name: Living in Sydney
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 June 2006
Time: 02:30:39 PM
Is there a link to any of the Bounty Day celebrations (photos) on the Website, would love to see them as I'm sure lots of other interested people are. Also can Kim Partdidges book be ordered On-Line and at what price with postage?? Appreciate your help.
Name: Garlic
Email: tink.L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 14 June 2006
Time: 01:46:43 PM
cheers Roxanne -great site/PaulHarris sounds like good value- BTW, you can now get that chinampa-system herb garden happening with the 11th annual cycle of the FREE Elfin-Permaculture Design Course [PDC] Online beginning Nov. 5, 2006<>http://tinyurl.com/k4eah<>& if you can get a dozen or so people interested in doing it hands-on, they may even send out a course Instructor to Norfolk<><><>I've done the course & it opens lots of doors,markets & networks ...I also thought of a way you can capture those 44 gallons of methane from your cow - another time perhaps :) <><><>ciao!<><><>cf. http://www.permacultureinternational.org/oslinks.htm
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 14 June 2006
Time: 08:48:35 AM
Hi Garlic. You are definately a wealth of information!!! Why does this group only exist in your imagination?! Have a look at this site http://www.ees.adelaide.edu.au/pharris/biogas/beginners.html Then picture a cow pulling a cart to collect the manure for processing. Did you know that 1 cow produces 44 gallons of methane gas per day? What I like about Biogas is all the byproducts are usable..even water for my commercial herb garden! This also exists only in my imagination..but dreams are free!!!
Name: Shayne-ex Wokaway cook
Email: tedricoflomaar@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 14 June 2006
Time: 05:02:00 AM
Good to see people thinking of new business ideas for your little comunity. Here's one that might work on Norfolk; Bio- Diesel! Over there might be the perfect environment, It is sustainable and makes good use of someone elses waste. It is also cheap to make! Keep on keeping on dudes! Shayne.
Name: Savinadollar
Email: billy@gates.com
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2006
Time: 10:36:53 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31281
Name: Garlic
Email: tink.L@teral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2006
Time: 05:15:53 PM
unfortunately not 'greenie' - only in my imagination; it's what may be termed a 'desideratum-ginger' site ...a signpost to a hypostatized future destination still in the process of materializing
Name: greenie
Email: bigemptycowpaddockonnorfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2006
Time: 04:27:22 PM
what an interesting link garlic, does this group actually exist on norfolk?
Name: Garlic
Email: tink.L@teral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2006
Time: 03:49:02 PM
hi Roxanne - good to see the entrepreneurial spirit is still alive & well on Norfolk; our biggest economic problem has always been capital formation/accumulation, given that [unlike virtually ALL other British settlements] there was no vast inherited wealth or venture capital pumped into the Island from 1856.<><><>Can't help but admiring those Islanders who've built businesses out of nothing over the years since settlement.<><><>I was shocked to see the price of electricity has risen to 47c/kWh - from memory the standard domestic electricity price in Aust. maxes-out at around 14 c/kWh.<><><>The Aust. Greenhouse Office had a discretionary fund from monies left over from the Aust.diesel fuel excise, and at one stage was offering funding for 50% of any renewable energy system installed on the Island. Don't know if this is still on offer but might be worth investigating. Also, the Aust. National Renewable Energy Development Programmme, has funds available for developing and implementing renewable generation projects in Commonwealth administered external Territories. Over A$200 million is expected to be available over the life of the RRPGP(ie. till 2012).<><><>You've got to run your own race of course, but may I suggest having a look at BioDiesel production - simple as icecream really <><><>http://permaculturenorfolk.homestead.com/BioDiesel.html<><><>Also, if you were to set up a paypal pay-for-view [say US$10.00 for unlimited access] web log of your business wheelings & dealings in building an alternatives/renewables energy economy - on a .nf domain - I have no doubt that you could generate an extra stream of income from all the greenies who visit this site!
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2006
Time: 03:44:01 PM
Joan, that I believe is exactly what Canberra is proposing and is the main concern that many of us have over this attempt to wrest from Norfolk Islanders control of their destiny. Australia in control of immigration: which will translate as a free for all for all for and sundry to immigrate means the end of Norfolk and her uniquness. Norfolk for Norfolk Islanders, its the way it has been for 150 years and should remain so - through the good and the bad.
Name: Joan
Email: itsme@yahoo
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 13 June 2006
Time: 01:46:28 PM
Due to the proposed Australian intervention, will it now be possible for anyone to live on Norfolk without any problem? Is this currently happening with mainlanders coming to live with relatives?
Name: Darls
Email: onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 12 June 2006
Time: 03:02:38 PM
Yes I did mention the whales, but in my forum entry on 9 June 2006. How could anyone overlook that spectacular sight? It is one I shall never forget. Cheers for mentioning it anyway :)
Name: Whales
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 12 June 2006
Time: 10:53:32 AM
DARLS you forgot to mention the special part the whales played off Kingston!!! What a sight to be held...they are special too! kindest of regards
Name: DARLS
Email: onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 12 June 2006
Time: 09:28:21 AM
Hi Shari - I will try and keep my entry short, but Bounty Day was so good, one could write a book! The Adams family won the Administrator's Trophy for the best dressed. They did look wonderful and there were many Adams' members present as they had a family reunion as well. It was really good to see so many of them and it was a very popular win as well. Also present on the day, visiting for a couple of days was the Governor General of Australia, Major-General Michael Jeffery and his wife and [some] staff, Minister for Territories, Local Government & Roads Jim Lloyd and his wife and other visitors and island family members. The picnic luncheon in the compound was huge, and in fact it is many years since I have seen such a crowd. We were almost like sardines in the can, but it was lovely just all of us being together. It is one Bounty Day I shall never forget.
Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 11 June 2006
Time: 03:17:24 PM
Hi yorlye can someone give us some details of the festivities on Bounty Day. Which family won the trophy for the best dressed etc. What important persons were present for the occasion? Darls gave us a little snippet but a full rundown would be great.
Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 11 June 2006
Time: 03:17:13 PM
Hi yorlye can someone give us some details of the festivities on Bounty Day. Which family won the trophy for the best dressed etc. What important persons were present for the occasion? Darls gave us a little snippet but a full rundown would be great.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 11 June 2006
Time: 08:47:04 AM
Hi Garlic..."GO YOU!" I like the idea of desalination as that might be a solution to the polar ice melting due to the Green House effect. I am working on 3 new small industries, I have to take into account limited water supply, cost of power (47c per unit-hence alternative sources are necessary to make it viable) & keep them internal (tax, duty & shipping costs would kill export potentials). My 3 ideas will not require importation of any kind, I intend to use all natural products available here on Norfolk without any waste. I have had to abort a few ideas due to "Red Tape" but.....what can you do! All it is going to take is time, alot of very hard work & alot of positive thinking! You have a great day!!!!!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 10 June 2006
Time: 06:36:51 PM
A great piece of history 100 years ago. http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=1966776&I=1&SE=0
Name: Garlic
Email: tink.L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 10 June 2006
Time: 05:45:41 PM
hi Roxanne,-re."I have a dream...", that's just what's needed actually - I doubt whether leaving things to the politicians [either local or Fed.] is going to help much - anyway you've got me mulling over an integrated, holistic solution to the challenge of economic sustainability on Norfolk; one which factors-in all the critical elements of a scaleable, homeostatic production system which is not dependant on fossil fuels - here's the results of my doodling so far [pls. keep in mind that this is very much a hypothetical & 'heuristic' work in progress - you'll need to keep flogging the local proxy serv. for the latest version]<><><>http://permaculturenorfolk.homestead.com/page05.html
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 10 June 2006
Time: 09:06:53 AM
Hey Garlic...are you reading my mind?! I have a dream that Norfolk could become a showcase by going back to basics & becoming self-sustainable! I have been talking to a few of the elderly about the way it used to be.."Food for Thought"..I have been chewing this over in my head for quite some time. I have also been looking at some of the third world countries & some of the things they have done to turn their economy around..interesting stuff!!!!Time is all it takes.
Name: Garlic
Email: tink.L@teral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 09 June 2006
Time: 02:26:20 PM
Roxanne - i've visited this place & it's actually producing most of the stuff we've talked about as well as being a tourist attraction in it's own right - food for thought maybe<><><> http://www.sustainability.dpc.wa.gov.au/CaseStudies/permaculture/Permaculture.htm
Name: Garlic
Email: tink.L@teral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 09 June 2006
Time: 02:11:50 PM
hi Roxanne - maybe a combination of those water harvesting/alternative energy technologies would be the way to go [could become an ecotourism item as well]- I like the idea of desalination of sea water because high quality sea salt woluld be a by-product & could fetch a premium price on international markets; might be interesting to research how previous generations of Islanders went about setting up: lemon juice; passionfruit pulp; kentia palm seed; red kidney bean; etc.etc. export industries - it must have been much harder back then. Here's the websites I've found handy on this topic:http://www.rpc.com.au/<><><>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rainwaterharvesting/<><><>http://solarcooking.org/drying/Whitfield-drying1.htm<><><>http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/EGIL-5K67XL?open<><><> I suspect that meticulous forward planning every step from sourcing propagation stock right through to marketing strategies is 95% of the 'to do' list for success - a good place to start is: http://sohodojo.com/techsig/project-planning-project.html<><><>keep us posted on how you go - slow & steady wins the race!
Name: AL
Email: Norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 June 2006
Time: 12:54:01 PM
Good to hear that the Bounty Day celebrations went without a hitch and the Day was glorious apart from the afternoon shower. I have just recently purchased the Awas Sullen (Our People)Kim Partridge. What a legacy! The work and photo's are just out of this world and have a lot of meaning to the local people. I would have to say that the book brought a tear to the eyes as the wealth of history in the photo's is just so hard to explain! The book contains many whom have passed on, but Yesterday (Bounty Day) I am certain everyone of those people where there in spirit. That is something no Government anywhere in the world can take away. I recommend grabbing a copy of the book. Well done Kim and all that were involved in creating the book!
Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 09 June 2006
Time: 12:06:16 PM
So glad to hear that Bounty Day was a great success once again, am amazed to read of the whale sightings as well, how good is that. Did they have any special things happening due to the 150 years as was for the 100th? Hope you get some of the rain we are experencing is Australia at the moment, no doubt you could do with it as we do.
Name: Darls
Email: heronnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 June 2006
Time: 08:56:17 AM
Thank you Paul en Monica for your kind wishes and also to you Grayeme [and Lynne]. Our 150th was a HUGE success and the day went off perfectly with no glitches at all. From start to finish - it was an overwhelming day and there must have been at least 1000+ people in Kingston for the day. It was a perfect day and the sun shone bright, we had whales playing around just off Kingston. This is a first time Bounty Day sight for me and many others I'm sure. The parade was massive and the atmosphere was unbelievable. Everyone was so very proud and rightly so. It was a special day for us. Welcome home to all islanders here for the week and especially all yorlye who nor bin ya fer years. Welcome also to our Tahitian cousins and to those here from Pitcairn. To conclude the day, the heavens opened up at around 4.30pm – but it was time to pack up and head home after [another] beautiful day in Paradise. No doubt some of us were thoughtful about our departed loved ones but I am sure they were with us all in spirit. God Bless all ucklun and Norfolk Island.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 09 June 2006
Time: 07:43:58 AM
Hi Garlic, I like the idea of the mesh fog collectors. There isn't any reason why you can't utitilise the same system for making the most of a heavy dew. Did you know the Norfolk Pine works in a similar way. Have you explored the possibility Biogas (cow manure power)as an alternative energy source at all? What are your thoughts on it?
Name: an islander
Email: @nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 08 June 2006
Time: 08:38:12 PM
tad would you be of pitcairn descent?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 08 June 2006
Time: 06:45:57 PM
Eagerly awaiting a report on how the big day went. !!!!
Name: Geoff Le Cren
Email: monoclub@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 08 June 2006
Time: 03:53:21 PM
Unfortunately I could not be amongst the lucky ones who were able to get home for todays celebrations but my best wishes and hopes are with you all today. I would especially like to wish the best of Bounty Days to those on the Island who are working and fighting to save our island from being taken over by Canberra. May your efforts bring success, there are many of us who are unable to do much but our prayers and thoughts are with you.
Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 08 June 2006
Time: 09:52:36 AM
Happy Bounty Day yorlye, hope its a nice day.
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.com
Country: United States
Date: Thursday, 08 June 2006
Time: 03:38:28 AM
HAPPY BOUNTY DAY, YORLYE!!! Darls & family, Colin, Grabramoon, Nor Larnen, etc., We wish you another festive Bounty celebration! We will be celebrating our Jamestown quadricentennial (400 years) anniversary in June of 2007 in Virginia. For now, we remember the HMS Bounty mutineers and Tahitian participants and celebrate the legacy their descendants have kept afloat! Cheers! Paul en Monica
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2006
Time: 10:04:47 PM
Realistic thinking is not Negative thinking.
Name: GARLIC
Email: think_L@eral
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2006
Time: 07:27:18 PM
Grayeme, the solar system has a remaining shelf life of circa 5 billion years - between now & then Norfolk MUST find ways of trading it's way out of current setbacks; negative thinking won't help. There are relatively low-tech/low-cost solutions to the shortage of water for agricultural/horticultural applications:*** Desalination by reverse osmosis*** http://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea59e/ch20.htm ***Best Overview: Overview of Desalination Technologies*** http://globalcrisis.info/wateravailability.html
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2006
Time: 06:46:36 PM
HAVE A GREAT BOUNTY DAY YORLE.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2006
Time: 06:45:18 PM
I don't think the Garlic etc growing on Norfolk Island is quite as easy as some on the forum think. As Norfolk is totally reliant on rain for water and there is no storage apart from personal tanks is a major hurdle. When I was there in March it had been so dry that I don't think even a tomato bush had survived. I visited several homes on the island that normaly had a market garden of some sort - but all had been let go temporarily awaiting rain. Also the freighting of the produce off the island to Australia is almost impossible and remain competitive in the market.
Name: GARLIC
Email: DISCOMBOBULATED
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2006
Time: 03:44:48 PM
re. prev. post - around now is obviously a good time for the NIGov't to make some <ENTREPRENEURIAL> POST SESQUICENTENARY RESOLUTIONS
Name: Garlic Onions
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2006
Time: 08:20:16 AM
For those posting re Garlic Growing...currently Garlic, Ginger, Onions and potatoes are being imported into Norfolk Island...the island use to grow their own onions...not too certain if many or any do now...very noticable when a ship hasn't been in for awhile...part from that hope all yorlye have a great Bounty Day...it looks as though the clouds threaten once again, few showers here and there...but whats the bet all will be fine for the day! Happy 150th
Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 06 June 2006
Time: 12:22:43 PM
Yes Grayeme it was a very special place back then unspoilt and very little tourism, just like a lovely friendly country town the people were warm and friendly as I recall. There was none of the back stabbing and trouble that seems to be there today. Perhaps it has been all the greed associated with competition for the tourist dollar that has spoilt it. I prefer to have my memories of back then in 1956 before tourism and greed destroyed what was special.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 05 June 2006
Time: 08:28:40 PM
You are so lucky to have such great memories Shari. Don't let your heart break too much though - it is still a happy place. The present problems will sort themselves out when the people power pulls a few politicans into line. Politics are the same all over.
Name: Shari
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 05 June 2006
Time: 07:42:07 PM
I was lucky to be on Norfolk Island for the 100th Bounty Day anniversary. It was a fabulous day and the memories are still with me, the Bounty Ball with a Naval Band off one of the ships visiting - what a great night. I even went out to a visiting naval ship in the lighter boat, though not a sailor by choice it was a great experience. The old timers setting up their picnics along the wall of the old gaol the smells of home cooked banquets were something to behold.It is was such a happy place back then, it breaks my heart to see what is happening there now. Happy 150th everyone hope the day is as memorable as the 100th.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 05 June 2006
Time: 07:29:04 PM
Thats interesting ??. I did not see any come through at all yesterday or today. Wonder whats going on ??
Name: narnia
Email: whoknows@why
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 05 June 2006
Time: 07:15:23 PM
No, it seems that sunday's comments have been removed... why?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 05 June 2006
Time: 06:21:45 PM
It appears as though everyone on the Island is taken up with Bounty Day celebrations. Good for them.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 03 June 2006
Time: 02:58:08 PM
Thanks Garlic, I'll have a look at those websites. Timely- we have a few people who have started "new" industries: a winery, mushroom farm & the coffee owners have just started a bottled water line. Thanks again & have a great weekend!
Name: the other line of Descendants
Email: reunion
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 03 June 2006
Time: 02:00:44 PM
cheers Darls, what a wonderful & timely reunion - perhaps an RSPV to George Stewart's & Tepahu's (Hui Ari'i) daughter's descendants - from the NIGov't., is also in order: "Maria Charlotte De La Ascencion Stewart was born in 1790 in Tahiti.1 She was the daughter of George Stewart and Peggy.1 She married, firstly, George Washington Eayrs before 1806 in Tahiti.1 She married, secondly, Secundino Olivera on 19 October 1817 in Santa Barbara, California, U.S.A..1 She married, thirdly, George Rice circa 1834.1 She died on 30 September 1871 in Santa Barbara, California.1 From before 1806, her married name became Eayrs.1 From 19 October 1817, her married name became Olivera.1 From circa 1834, her married name became Rice.1 As an orphaned child, she became rather a 'pet' in Tahiti. She was cared for by her elderly grandfather, a chief, and when the missionaries later arrived, they took charge of her. On his 2nd voyage, William Bligh noted, 'A fine child of about 12 months old was brought to me today, the daughter of George Stewart, Midshipman on the Bounty. It was a very pretty creature, but had been so exposed to the sun as to be little fairer than an Otaheitian.' Life in Tahiti in those years was very violent, and when George-Washington Eayrs invited young Maria to join him on his ship, she saw it as a chance to escape the bloodshed. For 4 years, they travelled the Pacific until Eayrs arrest. Maria and their family were put ashore in San Diego when Eayrs went to plead his case, from which he never returned.1"
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 03 June 2006
Time: 11:54:34 AM
"MY'SE HEAB'NLY MORNING" by Ena Ette Christian Fo' waeke, slep out en down a walley, Tek my'se grubber, chip about. Lantana, baaka-stuff en a thistle, Cursed stuff, hard f' get out. Plun leaf heawy f' pearly drip, I shudder whun down my'se neck one slep, Fantail flyen roun' side I chip, Lettle beak goa 'click', get et! I sti gwen one tree, en staye-willout, Arn picnic orn all em bird singen fo me, En d' one I nor se chip out des morning I ell lubby f' morla.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 03 June 2006
Time: 11:47:31 AM
Lets celebrate Bounty Day with a whole week of positive thoughts on the Forum. I hope all Islanders and the many supporters and guests from around the world have a great week and an especially wonderful day on Tuesday. You are the envy of all us who can not be there in person, but will be in spirit. Have a great time yorle.
Name: Darls
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 10:14:29 PM
On a much brighter and different note - A VERY HUGE AND WARM WELCOME to our Tahiti cousins who have come this far to celebrate our Bounty Day next week. Sylvia, Moana, Gladys, Millie, Gladys, Amelia & Elsie - WELCOME TO YOUR HOME here on Norfolk Island. It is a delight to have you all here with us.
Name: In support
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 09:53:55 PM
I agree why not grow garlic for export to Australia. I hear already there is wonderful garlic growing on the island, very large Lord Howe Island varieties. We are sick of the dried out garlic being imported here from China, half you buy has to be thrown out before use because it is so dry and tasteless. Why not harvest all those exotic fruits also available on the island, Custard Apples, passionfruit for starters.
Name: GARLIC
Email: dried@herbs
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 05:29:50 PM
ROXANNE - Oz appears to import ALL it's garlic from China & it's crappy stuff. Good quality garlic from Norfolk -on it's own- could provide a "bread & butter" industry for the Island. High quality biodynamic/organic Dried Medicinal Herbs could make you all millionaires many times over eg. saffron sells for US65.00 per ounce - a better price than opium. Start here: http://www.herbnet.com/world.htm : +++ http://www.rirdc.gov.au/pub/culherb5yr.html +++ http://tinyurl.com/q5ssn +++ http://www.rirdc.gov.au/pub/handbook/medherbs.html +++ http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/cropmap/indiana/crop/medicinal.html +++ http://www.newcrops.uq.edu.au/newslett/ncnl11-7.htm
Name: timely
Email: @oz
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 02:36:53 PM
hi roxanne, i beleive there are people who have started a coffee industry there which is showing a lot of potential as an export market,maybe you could look them up and get some tips.also aussie gov.changed all its eligibility rules last year and unless you pay aussie GST,you are no longer eligeble for any funding from them, maybe your local gov. can offer some incentives.good luck and i hope you get the local support your industry needs or at least have fun trying!
Name: Whoseet
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 01:41:42 PM
He yorlye what MLA is in charge of the Government at the moment? What's the latest from down a town?
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 01:09:45 PM
Hi Timely, we do have industries but they are either Tourism based or reliant on Tourism numbers. Without the Tourism numbers & dollars everything suffers. We are applicable for Australian small business grants. My idea is to utilise what we have available here ie, vegetation etc. But I still have a long way to go. I have been asking some of our elderly what they used to do when times were tough. It all boils down to going back to basics & doing without & lots of hard work. I'm not making any money at this stage but I am spending alot of time outdoors & I'm happy!!!!
Name: timely
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 12:50:46 PM
hi roxanne dont you already have any industries there? there is plenty of support available in aussie and with a bit of local support this will be the way to go!
Name: amen
Email: amen@indeed
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 12:26:05 PM
RE: "...or are you celebrating the past 27 years of Norfolks dismal attempt at self government which has brought you all to your knees." ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Give credit where credits due; I have no doubt that the Feds expected the residents of Norfolk to be kicking & screaming for an end to self-gov't. after the first TEN years. Look at how self-government was structured - sort of a mini version of the Canberra model; BUT with NO LOYAL OPPOSITION or FREELY CRITICAL PRESS to constantly watchdog the Legislative Assembly & Executive let alone the public service. ||| AND NO RIVERS OF REVENUE FLOWING INTO GOVERNMENT COFFERS FROM TAX GOUGING IN ALL IT'S GUISES, AS ON THE MAINLAND ||| THE GOVERNANCE-MODEL IS WRONG - NOT THE CONCEPT OF SELF-GOV'T. ||| Had they set up a US-style Executive based on a 'Cabinet of Peers' eg. three VETERAN public-sector management experts, recruited eg. from the ranks of retired members of the UK Permanent Secretaries' Management Group; with the brief to formulate & implement a SEVEN YEAR PLAN to be approved by the electorate & oversighted by the Legislative Assembly [ie. fullfilling the role of LOYAL OPPOSITION]; the outcome would have been very different indeed. ||| CHANGE THE GOVERNANCE-MODEL; NOT THE IMPERATIVE OF SELF-GOV'T!!! ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Governance ||| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance How to be a Civil Servant ||| http://www.civilservant.org.uk/index.html ||| Permanent Secretaries' Management Group ||| http://tinyurl.com/qqc68 ||| ||| A Brief Rundown of the British Civil Service http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/getwriting/A907689 |||
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 11:15:33 AM
A few weeks ago the THEN Chief Minister was asked about a rumour circulating re a job on the Mainland. His reply made me think that if he holds the thought of living on the mainland of Aus so bad then why take out Australian Citizenship in the first place. Oh thats right, one has to be an Australian citizen to hold a position on the Assembly. Makes you wonder how sincere the application and oath taken was. Something to think about all round isn't it.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 08:22:15 AM
Well done,Observing the observer! Norfolk needs to "Gear for a Change". I like to believe that it is up to Norfolk whether the changes will be a "positive" or "negative" change. I am looking at internal industries that don't rely on Tourism. The resourses are available, all it takes is alot of hard work.
Name: Observing the Observer
Email: ttt
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 07:39:09 AM
It appears that when anyone is making observations it becomes negative posting...but when whats being observed happens it becomes frantic postings talk and the thing of the day? Unfortunately natures way...to march or boycot Bounty Day is not the way to go...in this down time we need to have something positive to work with...to add or rub salt into wounds does not help the healing process...whats done is done...we can't dismiss tomorrow...for those who have ignored tomorrow for so long are suddenly find that it is here today! There is in old saying " Don't put off till tomorrow, what can be acheived today"...the reshuffle I doubt will change the outcome of the future Commonwealth takeover...the 9 day fortnight for the public service is another hint that the accumen report is correct...we need to acknowledge that and plan for tomorrow before it is today!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 02 June 2006
Time: 07:07:10 AM
There is no need for comments like that Observer. Everytime good constructive debate gets going on this forum some idiot stuffs it up. Keep your greater than Thou attitude to yourself Observer you moron.
Name: Observer
Email: @act
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 10:54:05 PM
What are you celebrating Mutineer ??. Being pushed around for 150 years without being able to attain anything remotely like independance. 50 years of NSW administration and 75 years of Australia, or are you celebrating the past 27 years of Norfolks dismal attempt at self government which has brought you all to your knees. You show a very typical Norfolk Island trait, "tomorrow is not here" but one thing for sure is "tomorrow is coming".
Name: Mutineer
Email: mutineer@yahoo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 07:24:59 PM
TAD... I can't see how any boycott of bounty would be benificial to any decendant of the bounty. This year we celebrate 150 years!! Bounty day is for us Islanders. Boycotting would look like we are marching for aust. which is totally the opposite. Let's all march with heads held high for what we are and have today, as tomorrow isn't here YET!! See yorlye daun a town!!!
Name: Observer
Email: @act
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 06:41:04 PM
Watch for some fairly swift action from Jim Lloyd as soon as the Bounty Day Celebrations are out of the way. Farewell NIG.!! Hello Administrator.
Name: MrChristian
Email: nothere
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 06:07:28 PM
Set them adrift in a long boat....!
Name: Whaa
Email: Whaa@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 05:41:28 PM
There is no use signing any petition unless you are going to put your name forward when voting comes around. Otherwise we will be in the same situation we are in now, voting for the same people to be re-elected. Rather than carrying on like a bunch of idiots and wasting what little precious time we do have, we should try to be more constructive. And when a winge, stab in the back, or negativity dribbles from our lips lets try to suck it in and focus on the task at hand.
Name: amen
Email: amen@indeed
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 05:14:35 PM
The following should be MANDATORY reading [followed by rigorous exam] for ALL future candidates to the Legislative Assembly: [1] Plato's Republic: ||| http://www.friesian.com/plato.htm ||| [2] 'The American Commonwealth', by James Bryce, 1st Viscount : ||| http://oll.libertyfund.org/Texts/LFBooks/Bryce0057/AmericanCommonwealth/0004-01_Bk.html ||| [3] 'Rober Elsmere', by Mrs. Humphry Ward : ||| http://www3.shropshire-cc.gov.uk/intros/T000822.htm ||| [4] 'On the Principles of Political Obligation' by, T.H. Green Batoche Books Kitchener 1999 : ||| http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/green/ ||| http://www.liberal-international.org/editorial.asp?ia_id=683 ||| [5]'A Theory of Justice', by John Rawls, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 1971 : ||| http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/entropy/rawls.html |||
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 04:51:26 PM
Maybe just for this year how about boycotting Bounty Day altogether in protest of how the current and prior MLA's have brought your island to the brink. Imagine what your ancestors would think of how things have become they must be all turning in their graves. Make it a day of protest instead. Mr. Buffett can go down Kingston in his getup and prance about feeling very important whilst the masses throw eggs at him in protest. I say go get him and dem other MLA's.
Name: no luv lost
Email: hurrayhurrayitsamerrymerryday@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:40:57 PM
good to hear!! and where can i sign it too?
Name: Hettae Ucklun
Email: ya.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:34:31 PM
We are waiting to sign the petition that is circulating to get rid of the lot of them. How much more vocal will that be??????
Name: no luv lost here
Email: isthereanybodyoutthere@supporters
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:22:27 PM
AND WHERE ARE ALL THOSE USUALLY VERY VOCAL MLA SUPPORTERS ,ON THIS ,THIER DAY OF RECKONING?????? WHY ARE THEY NOW SO QUIET?????????
Name: no luv lost here
Email: isthereanybodyoutthere@supporters
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:22:22 PM
AND WHERE ARE ALL THOSE USUALLY VERY VOCAL MLA SUPPORTERS ,ON THIS ,THIER DAY OF RECKONING?????? WHY ARE THEY NOW SO QUIET?????????
Name: no luv lost here
Email: isthereanybodyoutthere@supporters
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:21:55 PM
AND WHERE ARE ALL THOSE USUALLY VERY VOCAL LOCAL MLA SUPPORTERS ,ON THIS ,THIER DAY OF RECKONING?????? WHY ARE THEY NOW SO QUIET?????????
Name: no luv lost here
Email: isthereanybodyoutthere@supporters
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:19:50 PM
AND WHERE ARE ALL THOSE USUALLY VERY VOCAL LOCAL MLA SUPPORTERS ,ON THIS ,THIER DAY OF RECKONING?????? WHY ARE THEY NOW SO QUIET?????????
Name: bumpitybump
Email: aholefullofpot@assembly
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 03:13:48 PM
anyone heard the story about boral offering to reseal norfolks roads while they had 2 days down time due to planes? story goes they could have completed the job very quickly at an amazingly miniscule 1.5 million bucks. rather than try to negotiate the finance for this absolute frigging bargain the local gov. found it more appropriate to simply knock em back........stupid pricks
Name: Good idea
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 02:13:53 PM
Congratulations to TAD, aaa and amen. I agree with all you say especially the protest march on 06/06/06. What a good idea. It would be egg in many faces should we have a protest march just on Bounty Day. Oooooo d' sweet!
Name: amen
Email: amen@indeed
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 01:28:58 PM
" There is always a need to move foward but a long memory of the truth is the safety valve for a healthy government."
Name: aaa
Email: oioioi
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 12:39:32 PM
6/6/06 would make the perfect date for the demonstration march and revolution!
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 12:16:52 PM
The Australian Government needs to get an Administration officers in there quick smart and take over the running of the island. They need to dismiss the current MLA's and take control of the Government permanently for the good of the island. Its a disgrace how things have become over the years of unqualified people in charge of the finances etc.
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 12:07:01 PM
You are fools to the extreem if you islanders let that fool David Buffett take control again. He has a track record in stuffing things up don't let it happen again - maybe he want's control so he can fill his own pockets before Australia moves in, or maybe the move is to cover up anything he may have been party to. Don't let it happen, everyone should have the right to change leaders not a select few. Take to the streets yorlye and stop this crazy descision before its too late. He is not the saviour of Norfolk Island, just a power hungry and greedy fellow thinking of his own pocketand what he will get out of it getting extra money as Chief Minister. Wake up to what is going on.
Name: AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
Email: OIOIOI
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 11:35:11 AM
C'MON AUSSIE C'MON WE NEED SAVING NOW!!!!!!!
Name: diddly bo
Email: extractingteeth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 11:31:41 AM
so a gov. car with a flag..........what was on the flag?
Name: Confused
Email: whatthe@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 11:05:53 AM
I am confused. After reading all the corruption and what goes on "behind the scenes" with the members of the Norfolk Island Government that rule the Island, why on earth are people kicking up with Australia taking over? Why on earth would you not welcome the change of Australia helping? Why keep those on who still running the show that aren't 100% honest with the community of Norfolk? The only way one can be successfull in taking control is when they are honest to the community. But these days it is a rare thing to find such a quality in someone! I am so surprised to read of the "going ons" with the Norfolk Island Government!
Name: dixie
Email: 1234546
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 10:56:21 AM
A certain MLA stuck a flag on the bonnet and drove around Burnt Pine.
Name: diddly bo
Email: booomcrash
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 10:46:20 AM
what is the story with the admin vehicle? what happened last time?
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 09:59:04 AM
A previous entry asked if anyone remembered the stuff up at the Hospital. Believe me , the old saying that a fish goes rotten from the head down is true in that instance. Pity the whole TRUE story never came out. That was a black period in our time. Illegal acts of back dating and signing documents, people being rung up by an assembly member to try and silence them, questionable behavour by long standing medico's and all caused by people trying to feather their own nests and cover up their deeds. Did anyone ever ask just how much that exercise cots the people of Norfolk. It is over and we have all moved on BUT it does make you wonder what happens day to day and why those people should be trusted with our affairs. They were put back into office and now it may be time to pay the piper. There is always a need to move foward but a long memory of the truth is the safety valve for a healthy government. Today will be written in the history books. Interesting isn't it
Name: long memory
Email: norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 09:39:13 AM
Does anyone remember the white Admin vehicle 001? Does anyone remember what happened last time?
Name: The Joker
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 08:43:46 AM
Laughable huh???? the whole NIG situation is a joke and I hear there is a petition on the run. I urge us all to track it down and sign it ASAP to stop the corruptness within our local Govt.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 06:43:08 AM
The announcement at 7-00am on local radio. They are proposing that David Buffett take on the role of Chief Minister.
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 01 June 2006
Time: 12:18:17 AM
In reply I understand the webcam was discontinued due to privacy issues.
Name: webcam
Email: looksee@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 06:32:35 PM
Yes well I too have wondered about the webcam in Piccadilly Village. I have asked about it and no one even responded to at least give some sort of an indication as to what is happening! Does the webcam in town exist is it no longer? Everytime I go to check it out it keeps coming up with a time-out message! So, what is happening? And yes, it is quite a good idea (as mentioned by Observer)to regularly keep things such as websites updated!
Name: OBSERVER
Email: observer@notrequired
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 06:27:43 PM
NORFOLK JET EXPRESS ----------THIS LINK STILL EXISTS ON THE NIDS HOME PAGE.. IT EVEN HAS A BUTTON TO MAKE A BOOKING-----------CMON WEBSITE ADMINISTRATORS BRING YOUR WEBSITE UP TO DATE-------ALSO THE SWAP SHOP LINK DOES NOT WORK------ DOES THE WEB CAM????? WEBSITE NEED SOME MAJOR TLC
Name: time to reclaim our heritage
Email: @nd_another_thing
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 05:52:05 PM
Those with the ticker to speak out against ANY INJUSTICE emanating from the NIG - well said; we are a FREE people FREELY associated since 1789, under the banner of 'liberté, égalité, fraternité', & it's high time to remind those suckling on the public purse that they are SERVANTS of the people - NOT their Masters.
Name: time to reclaim our heritage
Email: marae@Emily_Bay
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 05:29:38 PM
There is nothing which could anchor Norfolk so irrevocably in Polynesia (rather than the ACT), than the remains of the MARAE discovered at Emily Bay - surely it's restoration as a sacred space for the entire Island (regardless of current sectarian affiliation) should be the number one priority as a Sesquicentennial Project!?!? Domestic and Religious Structures in the Emily Bay Settlement Site, Norfolk Island http://www.amonline.net.au/pdf/publications/1338_complete.pdf
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 04:46:36 PM
Maybe someone can take over his role on Bounty Day, he seems to have claimed the position as his own. Stand up you Norfolk Islanders let him know you have had enough.
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 04:36:11 PM
One of those mentioned in the last entry on this forum, is a failed army cadet (couldn't cut it at Duntroon). I guess with that background he obviously learnt a few tricks. 1. The art of command and control. 2. When something goes wrong "wasn't my fault". 3. The art of passing the buck!!! Over there he feels important and so up himself and you guys gave him the power by voting him in time and time again. His family connections seem to be doing well also - wonder why? Everything he seems to have touched has been a disaster. Remember the stuff up with the hospital?
Name: Concerned Resident
Email: on_island.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 07:52:36 AM
The trouble down the town is the same trouble that has been there since day one called David Buffett and John Brown who don't care a damn about anyone except themselves. Can't you people on Norfolk see that? We all acuse them of having blinkers on - but I think it is some of us who are wearing them.Mark my words - whatever happens in the NIG will be for the benefit ONLY of Brown, Loppy, Buffett & Brown Jnr. All of these morons have pecuniary interests. I agree with a FULL GENERAL ELECTION and get rid of all these idiots. They are a damn disgrace to any political arena and I for one am totally ashamed to know all of them. BIG TROUBLE ahead Norfolk so stand your ground and let's dig our heels in. It is our say NOT THEIRS.
Name: Mushroom
Email: llll
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006
Time: 05:51:38 AM
Another case of keeping one in the dark...what the hell is happening down-a-town? We have to find these things out by the grape vine or what...I suppose there will be an announcement eventually?? Another great example of little information and a lot of rumors hitting the streets and this forum before the facts are out? I have written to both Commonwealth and Local Governments...replies = Aussie 100% Norfolk Island Government 0%. Come on Aussie Come on!
Name: jh
Email: jjjkjjjj
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 08:24:03 PM
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Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 07:14:28 PM
Sorry about the mucked up text in the last posting.It should have finished with God bless all Ucklun
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 07:11:54 PM
To those people who visit forum from off island, the assembly problem is not new and people have taken over a portfolio that has been dreadful and copped the blame for it all even though they have only been there five minutes.Problem with voting can be that family is standing and pressure or midguided feelings that because it is family you have to vote for them. It is a small place and feelings and feuds can run high. No different to any other isolated area.People were put back in last vote who in my opinion had proven bad track records so what is to say it won't happen again. Also, a couple of people who have been badmouthed on here actually took a stand in a very important case after thoroughly researching and not listening to people who lied to suit their own adgenda. Another member won my respect when making commentfor all to hear after a verbal attack on his wife. Many of the other members listened to gossip and inuendo and were proven wrong. I firmly believe that an administrator plus an advisory committee for a few years would be a step in the right direction. Lets get back on track and look to a future where we may be able to do the best for Norfolk... not the individual God Bless all Ucklan attack on his wife.
Name: TAD
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 06:20:11 PM
Maybe a full spill of all members of the Assembly would be the way to go and a new election called. If the general public are not happy with who they voted in vote them out. Some of the members who have been sitting in the Assembly for years obviously have not done the job well so don't even nominate them for re-election that way you can clean the slate and start afresh.
Name: car tull
Email: d@d
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 12:02:41 PM
Is it unique to Norfolk To have a reshuffle in government? In case people havent noticed, governments all over the world are constantly reshuffling their ministers etc. I would consider it healthy that the N I gov can shuffle if they deem it worthwhile. I would like u to give me specific examples of assembly members bar john B of feathering their own nest. At least this way they have something to defend against instead of all these wild accusations flying about.
Name: TAMMY
Email: tammy.strachan@bigpond.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 10:02:17 AM
Just to let you know that on the NBN/Newcastle news at 6.00pm nightly they have the weather forecast and each night they select photos sent by various people regarding weather photos (sunsets,storms etc etc) and last night one was sent in from a person who just returned from Norfolk (Ian McCartney I think the name was) and it was probably taken out Anson Bay way of a magnificent sun set. All you could see was the wide open sea and the sun spread for miles in a brilliant splash of sunset colours. The weatherman gave a nice spiel about Norfolk and it's history. Anyway wishing you all HAPPY & SAFE Bounty Day celebrations. Hope the weather is kind on your day and for the following days after.
Name: Pouri
Email: p@q
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006
Time: 08:13:38 AM
As has been said before, please can the last couple of entries refresh themselves on "esstrues" entry on the 23 may. I dont think I have ever heard such provocative, sensationalising and paranoid rubbish in all my life. PLeas either state the facts, or not continue with this defaming, ignorant and sub intelligent rubbish. The assembly members are not perfect and are human just like me or you. All I can say is that Im glad we havent got the likes of you 2 on our assembly. AS I have said before, state specific instances, otherwise what you say will be seen as shit stirring and "nest feathering" in its own right.
Name: takeabreak
Email: @here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 29 May 2006
Time: 10:13:35 PM
And just who is going to hold the Torch ??? And who is going to stand up to be elected to a new Government ??? Nobody !!!! Australia needs to put an Administrator in to run Norfolk Island for at least 5 years to get it running again. With the taxes etc that they will introduce, the self nest featherers that have been running the place for years will up and leave and new elections can be held then and a government can be formed by decent Norfolk Island people.
Name: Gob Smacked
Email: its_time-Norfolk
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 29 May 2006
Time: 08:41:27 PM
Okay Norfolk Island - now is your chance to put your feet down with firm hands and take up a petition to get rid of the lot of them before the big Aussie take over and before IT IS TOO MUCH LATER. I urge you all to show the idiots just who is the boss. It is YOU the electors who wear the dacks and it is time to kick their butts to hell. There are other ways of forming a government and now is the time to oust the lot of them. TAKE UP A PETITION and stop all of this corruptness within Norfolk Island.
Name: stumped
Email: noidea
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 May 2006
Time: 07:52:13 PM
only an idiot would have any confidence in any of them!
Name: HAPPY ANNIVERSARY UCKLUN
Email: mutiny_needed.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 29 May 2006
Time: 05:56:57 PM
Well would you all like to hear the joke of the sesquicentenary on Norfolk Island? David Buffett [in conjunction with Brown] has decided he has no confidence in Geoff Gardner or Ron Nobbs. He has obviously overlooked the fact that WE THE ELECTORATE have no confidence in himself or John Brown. These two are [and have been for years] only ever interested in their own agendas and don’t give a damn about Norfolk Island. No wonder Australia is laughing all the way here as they have all the right political reasons now to stomp right in on what can be branded a very unstable Norfolk Island Government. Thanks for that Colonel – right on Bounty Day you run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds and just you wait – it will come back and bite you in the arse and you will wonder what has hit you. After all the years of taking Brown’s crap and innuendo – you decide to hop into bed with him. Don’t come running to the ELECTORATE when it backfires in your face. You have truly shown your right colors this time.
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Name: Benny
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 28 May 2006
Time: 11:18:56 PM
Hi Norfolk people stop all the bitching, be thankful you don't have an earthquake to contend with and all the loss of life as Indonesia has. Be thankful you don't have all the violence of East Timor. Just think, you really have it good over there even if the finances are in short supply. Just take help from Australia it ain't that bad really.
Name: Ho Hum
Email: lookinaut.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 28 May 2006
Time: 01:05:21 PM
Interesting that you give youself that name "Poddy"S. says it all. I am not against protesting but feel it could have been better worded. Freedom means everyone is entitled to an opinion, not just yours
Name: Frank B
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 28 May 2006
Time: 12:44:36 PM
Perhaps it is Norfolk Islanders who have their heads in a bucket and don't wish to hear the truth about what is going on. Call it what you may a tunnel vision when it comes to not getting out of the dark past. Tis a long time since the Bounty Mutiny and the removal of the Bounty remnants from Pitcairn, you are the ones who need to move into this century and progress like the rest of us.
Name: Pouri
Email: d@b
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 28 May 2006
Time: 09:40:33 AM
iN RESPONSE TO ALL THE SPECULATIVE CRAP THAT IS POSTED ON THE FORUM, CAN i URGE YOU TO REREAD ESSTRUES ENTRY ON THE 23 MAY. wHY dONT YOU POST SPECIFIC EXAMPLES INSTEAD OF FURTHER GRINDING THE ISLANDS IMAGE INTO THE DIRT. aLL i CAN SAY IS GET A LIFE AND OUT OF YOUR HOLES
Name: History Buff
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 11:55:44 PM
In addition, this item is only listed on eBay for another 22 hours and is for sale for $70.00
Name: History buff
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 08:43:08 PM
Anyone over there who is online may be interested there is a 230 page official document for sale on EBay for and 1898 Investigation of Administration of Norfolk Island. Perhaps your Administration should be looking into who is selling such a document online, or is someone over there the seller cashing in before the place goes under Aussie control. Take a look on EBay yorlye.
Name: Poddy
Email: c@w
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 06:41:19 PM
As it so happens, the people who have the most sympathy for Norfolk regarding the Australian takeover are the Australian tourists themselves. I am forever hearing them comment not to let them stuff Norfolk up because they have stuffed themselves up already. Any Australian tourist with any sense will see that the stickers arent personal, but relates to the Australian Govt. To all the previous arrogant comments, all I can say is that ignorance is bliss.
Name: Righto
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 04:23:36 PM
Wouldn't worry too much about the little stickers on the cars...seen worse in other countries...even Australia...in reality the little stickers will not get anyone anywhere...as you say may upset a few visitors...the intention is not to offend the visitors...choice of words on the little square piece of paper may be better thought out? In reality it is too late for the little stickers and as I posted in my last post, it is time to negotiate with Australia whilst we have the chance to! The Commonwealth Government is stepping in wether you like it or not...and by the way I will not be sticking a sticker on my car! Come on Norfolk Island Government pull your head out of the sand and start talking SENSE with the Australian Government whilst you can!!!!!
Name: can't work you out
Email: sad@oz.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 11:54:46 AM
Is there a hidden adgenda here or is shooting yourself in the foot over and over the way you think you will get your own way. Every tourist that sees those stickers will give you a very negative image. Don't care you say.... You will if they drop off even more because of this really questionable way of trying to make your point. I am led to believe that it was Britain who did the dirty on you in the first place. Australia didn't take Norfolk off the "Mother Country", she handed you over to the mainland. How come you don't have a bitch with Britain for doing that in the first place.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 11:43:30 AM
In reply to sceptic re why Ozjet failed. I think I remember it being a business class flight and the fares for that versus Virgin and Jetstar was heaps dearer. Lets face it, On a short hop, who cares when there is big price differences. Could be wrong. Hope it all goes well for the Norfolk run.
Name: NO NSL EITHER
Email: weneedtourists@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 27 May 2006
Time: 09:24:45 AM
i must correct myself,the stickers actually say STOP AUSTRALIA. sorry about the typo.
Name: Ken
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 26 May 2006
Time: 08:01:56 PM
If this is the best your island population can come up with putting NO AUSTRALIA stickers on your cars, how pathetic! You are going to be run by the Australian Government so get used to it. I agree it must be a real slap in the mouth for the current tourists who are spending their hard earned cash there (maybe they won't come back for another trip). The sooner there is a take over by the Australian Government the better, perhaps the ones whinging have the most to lose as someone else will be handling the purse strings on the island's finances and the greedy will no longer have their hands on the money pot.
Name: Righto
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 May 2006
Time: 03:18:53 PM
Pro's & Cons...thats just it we do not know what we will gain or what we will lose...no one can tell us? It is all speculation at this stage. The Norfolk Island Government needs to realise that this is one sticky situation that they are not going to get out of...to say to Aussie help us but leave us alone just don't cut it! We have gone beyond helping ourselves overcome the financial crisis that Norfolk Island faces...the Government is frantically bailing out the water but not plugging the holes...I think we would have more chances sailing with the Titanic...sorry to be negative but it is all coming to light very quickly and is not going to go away...lets just face up and negotiate with the Aussie Government before we have no negotiating powers!
Name: Pros & Cons
Email: list@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 26 May 2006
Time: 01:08:51 PM
Instead of arguing about this controversial topic about Australia possibly stepping in. Why don't you all list the Pro's and Con's of Australia taking the reigns and perhaps that way it may give you a different perspective or understanding of things. And then weigh up all the options and see if you it does benefit Norfolk Island. As simple as it may sound, sometimes it can help to see the options of each side of the story. Change is a scary thing and of course there are going to be upset people and sometimes people's pride of wanting to continue to be independant will make them even more stubborn. But if you look at the opportunities this change may offer, then it may not be as bad as you thought it to be.
Name: NO NSL EITHER
Email: weneedtourists@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 26 May 2006
Time: 12:29:34 PM
great to see people standing up to the australian take over but a lot of aussie tourists are finding the NO AUSTRALIA stickers on everyones cars a bit offensive or more so not particullarly welcoming. As the majority of visitor are aussies ,can we really afford to piss them off?
Name: Sceptic
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 25 May 2006
Time: 09:29:20 PM
It is hoped that the servicing and regular checking of these aging aircraft being used on the Norfolk run by Ozjet , will be of the highest standard in maintenance. It remains to be seen why their Sydney to Melbourne service failed to attract business.
Name: Lochie
Email: ozjet
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 25 May 2006
Time: 07:22:36 PM
I read on ABC that Air Nauru are not going to proceed with getting a new aircraft, one of the reasons listed was losing the Norfolk run to Ozjet! Norfolk had to move on from Air Nauru and the latest decision by them just goes to prove it was the right one. Let's hope that Ozjet deliver a great service, well at least they bothered to offer one unlike most airlines in Oz.
Name: potagee
Email: a@d
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 May 2006
Time: 07:17:18 PM
well done to "esstrue" for his excellent entry. Its about time people stopped causing shit and be in it for Norfolk. Unfortunately if Aussie gets their way then you will really have something to complain about. Its time to see the big picture for Norfolkers as a people instead of how Aussie might be able to line your pockets personally
Name: Jet ski
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 25 May 2006
Time: 06:25:15 AM
Ozjets first flights to Norfolk Island went very well indeed, despite a slight delay...but remember they are flying here under the same conditions as every other airline and can be delayed like any other...we must not forget the airlines of the past that have serviced Norfolk Island such as Air Narua and Alliance, despite the problems they had,they still did the job and provided us with a means of getting to and from Australia...my hats off to you all Thank you! It is a shame that the Powers to be havn't treated the Airlines of the past with some respect...if we have to call on them again...at what price now???
Name: can't help it
Email: joker@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2006
Time: 10:03:13 PM
went by air
Name: Ozjet
Email: ozzie_ozzie_ozzie_oi_oi_oi
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2006
Time: 03:55:51 PM
So how did Ozjet's first flight to Norfolk, go?
Name: focus on the possitives
Email: sunhines@.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2006
Time: 11:30:48 AM
great site abourt noroflks wether - http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/norfolk/index.shtml - its "It's gonna be a bright, bright sunshiny day" for the Country Festival!
Name: Darls
Email: private.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2006
Time: 07:47:14 AM
Good morning WORLD :) For yorlye who are unable to make the Country Festival, and for those who a great fans of Charlie Pride [USA Country singer] - his brother Stpehen is here for the festival and he has a great CD. If you miss out on purchsing one here, then go to his website and you can buy it online [very safely]. Hettae dar site. http://www.stephenpride.com
Name: The Future
Email: pathetic_comments.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2006
Time: 07:41:21 AM
For goodness sakes - move on and get the hell out of the past. You people must have nothing better to do than to throw shit and innuendo on this site. Your lives must be so empty, boring and uninteresting. If you want information - go to the source i.e. Tom Lloyd who can tell you all about the printery fire. Get a grip yorlye and get out of the dim dark ages!
Name: foot vote
Email: exodus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2006
Time: 06:04:08 PM
Name: An example
Email: An@example
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2006
Time: 05:25:59 PM
Look at what they are trying to do to NIDS.
Name: maybe esstrue
Email: poooooooooo
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2006
Time: 05:11:30 PM
what date and why was the local newspaper office burnt down?
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2006
Time: 04:11:55 PM
Font Sizes ? Sleazy Web page changing ? Hidden Elect ? Money Trails ? Whos the capo ? Conspiracy theories abound. Lets be honest. If this rubbish actually existed on Norfolk, somebody would say something out loud for all to hear and see. If some people are claiming to be too scared to say for fear of retribution - it might really be that they are just being mischievious and there is no basis for what they are saying. It could also be that they are such a minority on the island that thinks that way. They do not want to be own up to these wild and inaccurate accusations for fear of defamation. Deal with facts - deal with the truth - and give up with the b$%#crap.
Name: Inspirational Quote
Email: sunnie_44@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2006
Time: 03:39:09 PM
Be the change that you want to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi
Name: REPLY TO BAFFLED
Email: MUFFLED@GAGGED
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2006
Time: 01:26:59 PM
& just in case anyone missed the ORIGINAL of the web page in question, which was so sleazily doctored on the 22/05/06 - here's a facsimile http://nisdv.bravehost.com/GUMPTION.htm b.t.y thks. for the bouquet (x2) Grayeme
Name: Karen bassett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 22 May 2006
Time: 04:08:16 PM
Seems the person in question, is using this to get a few paid junkets off the island before the place goes under. Who is checking his expenditures.
Name: where's the PRIDE now "Hon." garden gnome?
Email: GUMPTION
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 May 2006
Time: 11:28:51 AM
http://www.admin.gov.nf/newgeneration/cpa-2.html "Members of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association, share the Association’s mission to promote knowledge and understanding about PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY and RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW and INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS."
Name: local yokel
Email: DISGUSTED
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 May 2006
Time: 11:12:18 AM
also note the resounding SILENCE
Name: local yokel
Email: disgusted
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 22 May 2006
Time: 11:09:38 AM
karen & the other aussies asking the taboo questions - GOOD ON YORLI, as an anecdotal insight into how sleazily the "hidden elect" operates on Norfolk, please note that the font size in question has now been 'normalized'
Name: Karen bassett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 22 May 2006
Time: 01:02:53 AM
Maybe that Old timer should start talking and letting everyone know what has been going on for years under his watch.
Name: collaterally damaged
Email: LEADERSHIP
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 21 May 2006
Time: 04:48:32 PM
karen, go here: http://www.norfolk.gov.nf/the_government.htm *& click on the 'Government Ministers' link....the one with the whopping big font is the "Elder Statesman" who's been there from day one....why don't you ask HIM to "name and shame those folkes who were involved"???
Name: Karen bassett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 21 May 2006
Time: 04:27:09 PM
Reply to previous entry. If there has been obvious corruption why don't you name and shame those folkes who were involved. Get it out in the open for discussion. When people get intrenched in an organisation for too long there is always temptation to take advantage of their authority and influence. Trouble is no one seems to speak out and raise these issues in a public forum on the island, speak out don't be fightened of them. As i see it these people will not be in power for too much longer.
Name: REPLY TO BAFFLED
Email: MUFFLED@GAGGED
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 21 May 2006
Time: 02:20:17 PM
folks, please read forensically ||| there is a "hidden elect" on Norfolk, most of whom ARE NOT & never have been, in the Legislative Assembly - they have however, ALWAYS had a 'proxy' or two in there looking after their particular interests ||| FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL ||| who's the 'Capo'? ||| what patterns emerge from analysing which people got the plum jobs on the public purse, over the last 27 years? ||| who got the juicy gov't. contracts & WHY? ||| capice?
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 21 May 2006
Time: 10:52:15 AM
You lot are an embarrasment. To speak so blithely, and as if you know what you are talking about or in the case of many in here, as if you have found something out! Get over yourselves! What is happening to Norfolk has nothing to do with her, so stop digging for the dirt! its a decsion that has been made by the politicians in Canberra.
Name: comprehenday
Email: phootphoot@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 09:34:18 PM
which particular sharks ?
Name: Baffled
Email: au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 07:49:06 PM
Thank you for that good reply. So does that mean that the silent majority of Norfolk Islanders are quietly hoping Australia takes a more active role in things to keep the Assembly accountable and the sharks at bay.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 06:43:43 PM
To "Reply to Baffled" - That is an excellent post my friend, I am sure many will find that very interesting reading. This forum has grown up so much lately -Congratulations to all who contribute.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 06:43:33 PM
To "Reply to Baffled" - That is an excellent post my friend, I am sure many will find that very interesting reading. This forum has grown up so much lately -Congratulations to all who contribute.
Name: Dirk Boltz
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 12:56:30 PM
The last post is very interesting. I have heard from contacts on the island that this is the case, that intimidation and threats are made when people question decisions made by the Assembly. I call this stand over tactics (to avoid having to disclose too much to the general public as to what is really going on).
Name: REPLY TO BAFFLED
Email: MUFFLED@GAGGED
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 11:36:39 AM
BAFFLED|HERE'S YOUR ANSWER | TRY TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS PUTATIVELY A BRITISH COMMON LAW DISPENSATION - NOT THE BOONDOCKS OF CALABRIA ||||| "The Committee continues to be disturbed by the number of witnesses whose participation was made contingent on written submissions being kept confidential and oral evidence taken in-camera. A common theme in these requests was that Norfolk Island residents feared being ostracised or believed they were at risk of reprisal if they spoke out. By way of comparison, during the Committee’s examination of the Indian Ocean Territories as part of this same inquiry, there was only one request for a submission to be treated as confidential, on commercial-in-confidence grounds. There were no requests by witnesses on either Christmas or Cocos (Keeling) islands to provide oral evidence in-camera during the hearings held there." ||||| "http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/ncet/NorfolkGov/media/3dec03.pdf“ ||||| "Evidence available to the Committee points to the fact that elements within the community are able to exploit the current governance system, with its lack of effective checks and balances, for their own ends. It has become increasingly clear that beneath the surface, informal mechanisms can and do operate with relative impunity. Based on the evidence presented to it, the Committee has grave concerns that a culture of fear and intimidation has taken root on the Island to the detriment of the majority of the community. It is alleged, for example, that: acts of arson and physical assault have been used to pressure some residents to leave the Island; arson has been used to destroy property to gain financial advantage or cover up illegal dealings; instances of misuse and abuse of political power are commonplace; and interference with mail, e-mail and monitoring of telephones and other more subtle forms of intimidation have allegedly been used against people perceived as questioning the conduct of public affairs or who simply disturb the status quo of Island life" ||||| "The committee also expressed a deep concern about what it described as ‘fear and intimidation’ on the island, which led many people to give ‘in camera’ evidence to the committee." ||||| "While preparing this submission, it was extremely concerning to read a sensational article in the Good Weekend Magazine, included in both the Sydney Morning Herald and the Melbourne Age on 6 August 2005. Written by Frank Robson, who had spent some days on the Island, it reported that Norfolk Island's image had been irrevocably damaged by "a culture of revenge, intimidation and excess". 7.2 I had heard similar stories to those highlighted in this article, but several visits and the experience of conducting research into Norfolk Island's history, suggests that the story is far more complex. As noted in earlier comments on the Committee's interim report, this is because 'Norfolk Island is neither an Island of Saints nor of Sinners". Yet, potential tourists will read the more sensational coverage and some may well have second thoughts about making Norfolk Island a preferred destination. This could have devastating economic consequences." ||||| "We are now on the public record. A concern that has been expressed to the committee is that fear and intimidation is felt by a number of people on the island because of their activities on the island in opposing, maybe, the views of the Legislative Assembly or others. Is that a fair comment that has been made to the inquiry? Is there an environment of fear and apprehension on the part of the people about appearing before a committee such as this? Can you recommend anything the committee might do to see that good governance applies and people can express their freely held views in society?.....There is the existence of fear and apprehension amongst quite a few people who would like to submit to the joint standing committee visiting and even to the joint standing committee within the house of the Norfolk Island legislature but who are reticent to do so and will not do so—so they are more than reticent—in fear of reprisal." |||example||| "English is my second language—I am losing myself for words. I cannot think straight off, as I have not given it any considered thought, as to how this might be resolved, because it is a tall order. It is a small island, and people see people every day. But it does exist." ||||| “There will be a vocal, self-interested minority that will criticise the Committee’s efforts and attempt to stifle considered debate on the recommendations,” Senator Lightfoot said. “Those opposed to real reform on the Island will endeavour to stymie any attempts at reform. The Committee expects that this minority group will organise a petition condemning the report and initiate a referendum to demonstrate popular opposition to Federal Government ‘interference’ in the affairs of Norfolk Island. The Committee, however, has serious concerns with the practices associated with the conduct of petitions and referendums on Norfolk Island." BAFFLED AND DIRK: PLEASE KEEP ASKING THE TABOO QUESTIONS
Name: NSL
Email: badidea4norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 20 May 2006
Time: 09:23:06 AM
hey Ootatau and Podi, i hope you are reading this weeks local paper with interest!!!!!!!!! the term"conflict of interest" raises its ugly head again!!!yes they really must be encouraged and congratulated!!!
Name: Dirk Boltz
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 11:13:48 PM
Maybe present Assembly members who have been there in cushy positions for the past 27 years and prior - maybe one should ask them how their bad decisions have compounded and contributed to the current situation. I believe some of the current crowd have been around for years feathering their own nests.
Name: who's Dirk Boltz?
Email: unbaffled
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 05:20:18 PM
Dirk, the debacle's been 27 years in the making - Ron was handed the poison chalice less than 18 months ago. Do you really think he would have been given the guernsey if the economy was going gangbusters, the books were in the black & it was all blue sky's ahead?
Name: Fudett George
Email: FuddettGeorge@AlwaysLookOnTheBrightSide.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 04:30:04 PM
I think Norfolk is the land of opportunity. Anybody can be what that want to be with no form of qualification. However, being qualified is something that seems to be lacking at the moment. Maybe young islanders in years to come might have something to offer with their offshore experience & university qualifications (Thats if the opportunity is still there) . But currently I don’t see to many people putting their hands up, so I support the ones that do...
Name: Dirk Boltz
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 04:13:44 PM
Thanks for that information on the Finance Minister. Not a great background to be handling the island's Finances, no wonder the place is running into the mess we now see. Get him out of there and put someone in who has a financial background.
Name: .....and who was it that got us into this mess in the first place?
Email: X
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 02:08:15 PM
http://www.norfolk.gov.nf/the_government.htm#govt -dirk, hears the NIG minister profil
Name: Dirk Boltz
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 10:03:56 AM
Have been reading the recent posts on this forum and am wondering what the current position is on Norfolk Island both with Administration and the Airline? Another question - what financial qualifications does Ron Nobbs have?I would think this would be essential to hold down the portfolio of Finance. People with a Banking background would be suitable for this, I heard he has no any qualifications like this - is this true?
Name: Podi
Email: S@m
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 19 May 2006
Time: 08:14:26 AM
Although Im not necessarily a fan of Ron Nobbs, there is a few things I should point out in the interests of constructiveness. Ron Has been finance minister for less than 18 months. Ron is 1 vote out of 9. Ron acts on the advice of other assembly members. If you think you can give him some advice then please do. Better still, stand for assembly so that you know what it is like to cop alot of unwarranted and ignorant critism. Please dont knock people for trying to improve the economy. Unfortunately tax is a neccesity some people on Norfolk are going to have to start paying their way and I support what the assembly are doing at present 100%. Sometimes you dont appreciate things until you have seen the other side.
Name: baffled
Email: au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 07:51:32 PM
It would be nice to know what you Norfolk Islanders really think about things. Come-on - "YOUR THE VOICE" SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR.
Name: baffled
Email: au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 07:40:23 PM
Who's Ron ??? and who got you into the mess??? and what do you think should happen to fix the mess ???
Name: .....and who was it that got us into this mess in the first place?
Email: X
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 05:42:23 PM
.....and who was it that got us into this mess in the first place?
Name: NSL
Email: bottomsup
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 02:12:14 PM
AND Ootatau,first one must evaluate the level of commonsense and practability that has already been demonstrated
Name: NSL
Email: nomemory@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 11:57:37 AM
poor ron ...always getting critisised.....and who was it that got us into this mess in the first place?
Name: Ootatau
Email: C@n
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 11:47:50 AM
Look where all those "qualified"people, both consulted and seconded over the years has got us. Its fair to say that local knowledge,common sense and practibility will beat "qualifications" anyday. I am sorry that you are so downtrodden and unhappy with things, but I will applaud Ron for making tough decisions which will be the first step in getting our economy back on track. If they do nothing, they get criticised, but if they do something they also get critised.
Name: NSL
Email: badidea4norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 18 May 2006
Time: 09:46:49 AM
if you were to build a house you would employ a qualified or at least experienced builder to do the job..........repair your car and a qualified or experienced mechanic is a good idea.........so it makes perfect sense that a gardener and sheep farmer should introduce the NSL and build a team of suitable unqualified and unexperienced people to run this experiment.........self government was also an experiment and look where that has got us!!!......and to all those supporters of the NSL, .......i hope you like the idea of mobile phones too, as one of the first things the politicians will do with our money after looking after their and their mates in the service own pockets is to use it to fund a new mobile network here!!!
Name: THE UPSHOT
Email: righthere
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 17 May 2006
Time: 08:45:33 PM
FROM AUSTRALIA TO NORFOLK ISLAND - TO ENSURE DELIVERY, PAY A BIT EXTRA AND SEND IT BY EXPRESS. DON'T LET THE KNOW IT ALLS IN AUSSIE POST CONVINCE YOU OTHERWISE. YOU ARE THE PAYING CUSTOMER SO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEND IT THE WAY YOU WISH. EXPRESS POSTAGE TO NORFOLK ISLAND IS EXCELLENT.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 17 May 2006
Time: 05:26:38 PM
A friend of mine who works in Australia Post says that the only mail that AP sends by air to Norfolk is Express. All other mail goes by ship, and that can take 3 months. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the ship is now on an 8 week turnaround. Which means if say you posted something in Aussie on the day after the ship left, it would sit here for 8 weeks until the ship came back. Then the ship goes via New Zealand to load cargo and then onto Norfolk, so that is another 4 to 6 weeks before your letter gets there. We certainly take a lot for granted here on the mainland.
Name: Mailman
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 17 May 2006
Time: 04:54:27 PM
Postage, the problem appears to be the 2899 postcode in many cases. Laura is correct when telling you to send the item by Express Post. I have had problems with trying to convince suppliers to send Express, they think they are doing you a favour by sending Airmail...in respects Airmail will arrive via the ship...In respects if we are to push the case we could end up paying higher rates for postage to Norfolk Island...in the mean time stick to Express if you want it to arrive reasonably quick...if there is no hurry send it regular mail...not Airmail...failing that give the Norfolk Island Post Office a call...they will put you square...goodluck
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: Tintola@optusnet.comau
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 17 May 2006
Time: 01:38:46 PM
Hi Postage, Your mail is probably heading for Norfolk by ship. Australia Post is constantly arguing with me that EVERYTHING goes by air. They are wrong . I send everything be express post bags which although not overnight as on the mainland is the quickest way to get there. Australia Post will tell you this is not needed. Not true. Recently through the business I work with, we had a box wrongly sent by AP via Ship and then they argued that it was not at the post office on Norfolk. One phone call to customs over there confirmed it was and then the service from Norfolk Post office was terrific.They had it sent back to us and then I contacted Ap and had the usual brick wall treatment and no answers forthcoming. If it wasn't for Norfolk Island post we would still be arguing with AP. Thanks Norfolk, you don't get enough positive thank you comments and you do earn them. So can I suggest that "Postage" takes my advice and don't even bother trying to inform AP, they don't want to know.
Name: POSTAGE
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 17 May 2006
Time: 09:50:18 AM
I sent a birthday card and present for a friend who's birthday was in March, after conversing with them yesterday they informed me that the card and parcel had not arrived!!!!!!! Does that mean if I want Christmas cards and presents to arrive on time I should send them now???? I sincerely hope that this is not the case. Can someone explain if the goods were posted in the Sydney CBD where would their journey go before landing in the NI Post Office.Many thanks.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 15 May 2006
Time: 03:27:19 AM
Noe use a nairsey gen Paki en Barry, whathing dem tull es true. Its hardly unique to Norfolk and many would say part of the human condition. I just think it sad if that's all these two got out of their time on Norfolk because gut plenti oh de bas sullun I awa bin knoew!
Name: Kjell David Buffett
Email: kjel@dodo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 13 May 2006
Time: 09:32:33 PM
Well I hope our friend Barry has adjusted his attitude since his posting, if you have not Barry, I suggest you climb back under the decaying pile of sh*t that you came from. Now that is out of the way I wish all the Mums on Norfolk a Happy Mothers day especially to my Nan Lona, Aunty Tane and Lizzie, Yorley take care.
Name: paki
Email: paki2espana
Country: Andorra
Date: Saturday, 13 May 2006
Time: 12:11:11 PM
IM SORRY TO SAY BUT THIS ISLAND HAS BEEN THE MOST UNHAPPY DIFICULT PLACE THAT I HAVE LIVED THOROUGHOUT THE WORLD. OF COURSE A PRETTY PLACE BUT TO LIVE IS FULL OF BACKSTABBING NEGATIVITY WHICH I DONT UNDERSTAND OR FIND NECESSARY. I WISH YOU ALL HAPPINESSS IN THE FUTURE FOR THE REST OF YOU. GOOD LUCK
Name: ned kelly
Email: yah
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 13 May 2006
Time: 11:09:33 AM
charles+barry hmmm
Name: Ignorance
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 13 May 2006
Time: 07:26:28 AM
Barry...good thing you left...must be hard being you!
Name: Barry
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 12 May 2006
Time: 10:43:52 PM
Reply to Buff, Norfolk isn't all that great. Spent a few years there and it can become damb boring at times. All that convict rubbish wears a bit thin on even the average person. Too much boozing and too much gossip in a small population.
Name: Buff
Email: Buff@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 12 May 2006
Time: 09:11:46 PM
Hey Barry, Guess where I would rather be stuck for 14 days, To make it easy I'll give you multi guess a) With you b) Beautiful Norfolk Island
Name: Heath
Email: abandpops@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 12 May 2006
Time: 07:59:32 AM
Grayeme / ucklan - absolute lifesavers! Thanks v much and have a great weekend!
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 10:36:28 PM
Heath - you can organise flowers by contact Wayne - Phone; 0011 6723-23210 business house or email him on wayneb@norfolk.nf He is registered florist on the Island and his arrangements give great value for money...
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 09:45:33 PM
Heath - If you go to this link, they advertise flowers and arrangements to Norfolk Island http://www.online-flowers-delivery.net/cat_norfolk.cfm Thats the best I can do for you. Maybe an Islander can help you more local knowledge. I don't remember a florist when I was there. Good Luck.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 09:36:08 PM
Well said Tomcat = my sentiments exactly. The forum has been much better of late. We don't need the "Barry's" of this world here.
Name: Tomcat
Email: tsheridan@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 06:44:37 PM
Dear Barry, I wonder what type of person you must be, one who has had the misfortune to visit Norfolk and be delayed because of weather, etc. or have had a bad experience of missing baggage or something else that is out of the control of most people. Or, are you one of these people who get off on other peoples troubles and add fuel to the fire, without ever visiting the place that you are running down. Whatever type you are, you obviously have a facination with Norfolk or you would not trouble yourself with idiotic comments such as you have placed here for all to read. People who have had a bad experience over one thing or another would not normally wish to repeat the experience, but by your remarks you seem to be looking for something to fulfull a fantasy or are you just rumour mongering to create hardships for the hard working people of Norfolk who are doing the darnest to provide a fulfulling experience for all holiday makers. I believe that the two miners could not get a better place to put their lives back together with their families, without all the media hype and profiteers who seem to be hounding them at the moment. On Norfolk, the islanders would not even blink a eyelid at their recently acclaimed fames and fortunes, but would treat them like everybody else that they come in to contact with in their day to day activities, down right friendliness and honesty, no matter who you are!!Get a life or find another forum to harass.
Name: Heath
Email: abandpops@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 11:25:05 AM
Good Morning all, need some assistance regarding contact details for Florists on Norfolk :) Mothers day approaching. Can anyone with info please assist, many thanks.
Name: Ignorance
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 07:48:51 AM
Barry...seem your narrow mindedness has begun to show...it also shows your intelligence...to think that one gets trapped on this Island on a regular basis is unfounded...you would have to agree that you can get trapped in a place like England or USA when flights are cancelled...it does not just happen here...for the records the Norfolk Island has not had too many flight cancellations and it comes with travel...I am sure you would be very happy sitting on an aircraft descending into clouds aiming for a runway you cannot see and hoping for the best??? and yet humans have never found a way to control weather...hmmm! Guess thats why they have pilots that no what they are doing and make the decisions not to fly maybe??? Like I said that happens once in a blue moon...just like any journey anywhere in the world. As for the miners, like many around the world, we all expressed genuine concern for the miners and were relieved when they reached the surface...don't think for one minute your comments will make us think differently!
Name: Cam
Email: Hey_Yourley@Have-a-great-day
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 11 May 2006
Time: 12:50:29 AM
Barry How is it that some people like yourself can be so slow on the uptake and think that the generosity of our Island is what you called “desperate for tourists” I think that that is what you would call down right rude and ignorant. Also I think that you really need to look beneath you shallow skin and see that people of Norfolk Island have a beautiful way of life as well as a heart! I do think that with the amount of bad publicity that the Island has had over recent years, that a little comfit for not only the miners & their families but a little bit of good publicity couldn’t go a stray. And as for your statement “The families might take up the offer and then get trapped over there like many tourists of recent times” I am sorry that you may have had a bad experience but for every one of you stupid remarks there is many unbelievably great comments that go unheard. I do believe that people should think before they speak don’t you? Regards Cam.
Name: Barry
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 10 May 2006
Time: 10:34:49 PM
NI Tourist Bureau must be so desperate for tourists they have offered the trapped miners & their families 8 days for nothing including airfares to Norfolk from Launceston. Just another grab for publicity perhaps? Nice try guys. The families might take up the offer and then get trapped over there like many tourists of recent times (without their offloaded baggage).
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 203.212.155.220
Date: Tuesday, 09 May 2006
Time: 05:05:49 PM
This is what Carlos said -"I would like to visit his country but I think that I will wait for until you finish your discussion with Australia! Greetings
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 203.212.155.220
Date: Tuesday, 09 May 2006
Time: 05:01:35 PM
Carlos - Debes utilizar quizá el traductor de Google
Name: Carlos Valdez
Email: cvaldez@crinto.net
Country: Costa Rica
Remote Name: 196.40.43.74
Date: Tuesday, 09 May 2006
Time: 02:19:11 PM
¡Me gustaría visitar su país pero yo pienso que esperaré hasta que usted termine su discusión con Australia! Saludos
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Andorra
Remote Name: 134.159.97.152
Date: Sunday, 07 May 2006
Time: 05:38:49 PM
life can be very dodgy sometimes, and risks are taken for monetary gain. just keep praying for that money tree to bloom in your yard. best of luck, and perhaps next time do alot of research.
Name: USA Group
Email: postinfo@here
Country: Choose Country
Remote Name: 68.187.42.42
Date: Sunday, 07 May 2006
Time: 11:15:50 AM
How do we reach Mr Sir Grant or whatever he calls himself. We ALL want our money back and the scambags up here in the US are giving everyone the run around telling us that everything will be OK and straightened out in a matter of weeks... that was several months ago.
Name: webcam
Email: livepic
Country: Choose Country
Remote Name: 125.254.73.34
Date: Friday, 05 May 2006
Time: 06:15:42 PM
Can anyone tell me what is happening with the webcam on Norfolk? Is it up and running?
Name: observa
Email: niatni
Country: Norfolk Island
Remote Name: 203.202.140.72
Date: Friday, 05 May 2006
Time: 03:17:31 PM
Interesting to note the CGC website and the submissions from NI'ers and the remainder but just one question for the Chief Minister - will you allow every resident (?) to fax their submissions to the CGC via the Government fax machine?? Doesn't looook goood!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 203.212.152.100
Date: Thursday, 04 May 2006
Time: 05:48:41 PM
FF - I think you will find they are taking it serious. The Grants Commission has all the Submissions from Norfolk Islanders online and can be read at http://www.cgc.gov.au/ They are listed under Norfolk Island Submissions "New"
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Remote Name: 134.159.97.35
Date: Thursday, 04 May 2006
Time: 07:42:34 AM
check out this link: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10380224 does anybody know if the NI government gave out any tsunami warnings?
Name: FF
Email: @nsw
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 211.27.172.28
Date: Wednesday, 03 May 2006
Time: 09:25:19 PM
Read the letter from Minister Jim Lloyd - sounds like the Norfolk Island Government had better get serious about these issues.
Name: FF
Email: @nsw
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 211.27.172.28
Date: Wednesday, 03 May 2006
Time: 07:07:40 PM
The reality is it has been part of what is now Australia sent Governor Phillip sent King over there to start a farm in 1788. This is an interesting forum.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 211.27.172.28
Date: Wednesday, 03 May 2006
Time: 06:10:51 PM
Hi Lara - In answer to your first question about correspondence to the Pitcairners from Queen Victoria, the answer is "No". But I don't think too many would argue that the Pitcairners were told that Queen Victoria was giving them Norfolk at the time. You can bet if there was anything official in writing somewhere, Court challenges to Norfolks status would have been mounted many years ago. I have never been able to find much written matter about any of the activities at the time (1856) that helps paint a picture of how it all happened, not even in the British Government Archives. But the Governorship by NSW and eventual transfer to the Commonwealth of Australia is all well documented.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 60.231.103.98
Date: Wednesday, 03 May 2006
Time: 03:46:15 PM
Hello, I have a question and having loved "Beautiful Norfolk Island" and it is that, for 33 years now I would like to know if there is any correspondence from Queen Victoria to the people of Pitcairn re their re- settlement on Norfolk. I have always tried to hear what both sides are saying but then again there is the old saying of "walk in my shoes" . As a mainlander that is difficult because I love my homeland and have to wonder if in the long run the benefit to Norfolk and her future generations can be sustained as things are now. To me Norfolk is a unique and truly beautiful place that must be cared for and sometimes one has to look foward and grit teeth to get a good end result. I don't wish to offend anyone, I am really only asking a question.Will the rights of the people of Norfolk really be taken away and will you have access to Air Ambulance and other services . I get the paper but haven't seen much of the nitty gritty things discussed.
Name: Darlene Buffett - [Dar Bizziebee]
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Remote Name: 134.159.97.68
Date: Wednesday, 03 May 2006
Time: 06:13:19 AM
Good morning. Thanks Brandon for explaining things better. It is good to know you are on our side. Grayeme is quite right in what he says - there is a great deal of uncertainty here at the moment and understandably of course - and it is very easy to jump on the defensive hence my previous submission. Have a great day guys it looks like another perfect day here in Paradise today :) ciao
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 211.27.189.11
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 11:43:38 PM
Brandon- Sometimes what we are really trying to say just doesn't translate to the written word very well, we have all been guilty at sometime. Theres a lot of tension and uncertainty on the Island at the moment, and although they don't say much publicly, the Islanders that I know, are fairly clued up and know what they want. Sooner this business is cleared up and everyone can get on with their future the better for all. Cheers friend.
Name: Brandon
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 220.245.178.131
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 11:12:46 PM
Hey guys I am on your side and always will be. Perhaps some in your Government know of these documents but too lazy to let the rest of the population have this information. Get informed guys and gals, its free to those that want that knowledge.
Name: Brandon
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 220.245.178.131
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 11:08:38 PM
Sorry to upset people with my comments, All I was suggesting was that people on Norfolk Island should use public records available through Government agencies to keep up their knowledge of past and present issues. It is probably through not having knowledge such as this that the local Government has gone down a path to destruction unwisely in many instances.
Name: Darlene Buffett - Dar Bizziebee
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Remote Name: 134.159.97.68
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 09:19:27 PM
Grayeme - thanks for setting the record straight with Brandon. It is far too easy to lash out and throw away comments such as "they wouldn't be in such a mess" but like I say to many on the mainland who have never been here but think they know it all - it is easy to sit on the other side and stick the knife in with unnecessary comments. My recommendations to those who have never been here is don't knock it until you've tried it.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Remote Name: 211.27.189.11
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 06:24:10 PM
Thanks Brandon, I don't mind sharing what I know, and as you say it is all out there somewhere. But, you have to appreciate that the cost of Internet with very small download limits is very very expensive on Norfolk compared to what we pay in Aussie. So the freedom to surf the web for hours and days at a time like we do would become very expensive for the islanders. I pay only $39 a month for 12000mb download. I can hear the islanders gasping!!!. So while ever there is somebody interested I am happy to help make it easier. Here's a couple more links. Some of the links I put up previously have been to items on the National Archives Australia site, so here is the linl to the main page of that site should you want to have a look around. http://www.naa.gov.au/default.html To make it a little easier though I will give you the link to the main Search Page of that site. If you open the link below, it takes you to Search Records, Click on the "search now as a guest button". In the box marked "Keywords" write Norfolk Island and leave all the other boxes blank. Hit the Search button. This will bring up 5160 Files relating to Norfolk Island since the time of Federation. Click on the top display button and they will all be displayed for you in lots of 20. Now not all can be read online at the moment as digitising of all the records is ongoing. But any file that has a large egg-shaped blue emblem with an "r" in it can be viewed. Just click on the button, when finished reading click on "exit digital copy" and it takes you back to the files. There is a lot there, but what might be of interest is the fact that it will bring up all the service records of anyone from Norfolk Island that served in the First War, and most have been digitised. If you find something you want, you simply wave your curser around in the top left corner of the document and a box will appear giving you the option to Print or save etc. If you have any problems feel free to email me or post your query here and I will answer you here. Have fun. This is the Search Page link http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 05:44:20 PM
Just to keep you up to speed for those interested who are not on Norfolk. The link below will take you to the Letter from Minister Jim Lloyd sent to all residents last Thursday. http://www.dotars.gov.au/terr/norfolk/letter_NI_community_April-27-2006.pdf
Name: Brandon
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 02 May 2006
Time: 03:17:49 PM
Grayeme, keep up the good research, you are doing the job of others on the island who if they have access to the internet can discover these accessible documents in Government archives for themselves. They are public documents and can be viewed by all. It would appear no one over there has thought to research this part of their history - if they had done maybe they wouldn't be in such terrible trouble with the running of the place.
Name: Amazed
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 01 May 2006
Time: 11:58:16 AM
Grayeme your posts are not only informative they are educational to boot! I have followed the first link that you posted and have booked marked it for reading...you are dead right when it comes to finding information about Norfolk Island or any history for that matter on the net...it has a wealth of information there that is up for the grabs. The only thing that the internet can't tell you, is the direct feelings of the people living here...a very stressful time for many and the threats don't come easy...one day this will become a piece of history found on the internet??? Cheers for the info
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 10:55:20 PM
I am pleased that some people on this forum are finding the "links" I have provided interesting. As a person who has nothing personally to gain or lose by whatever happens to Norfolk Island in the future, it is easy for me to be able to absorb both sides of the debates and then make a balanced decision on facts. With the advent of the Internet, it has become very easy to gather information on almost any subject that takes your fancy. With the "Freedom of Information" laws almost everything more than 30 years old is posted out there on the net somewhere, it is just a case of finding it. For more than 100 years Norfolk Islanders have argued to some degree about the Constitutional Rights Australia hold over them. This seems to again to be the basis of most of the official arguments being presented in the current crisis. It is a good money spinner for the "Legal Eagles" I guess, and for those in power to appear to their constituents to be doing something. I believe a new challenge to the High Court is currently being organized, but who will listen to the umpires decision this time. Then you have the local business people spruiking their rhetoric and propaganda in an attempt to hold onto their free ticket to riches without any contribution to the upkeep of Norfolk. Just seems to me that none of this does much at all to help with a sustainable future for Norfolk Island. Heres another couple of links to a couple of sites relevant to what I say. The first will take you to the submission of the Norfolk Island Government to the Joint Committee on the Republic Referendum written in 1999. Non-current, I know but I am sure nothing much has changed. A good history read though. http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/republic/subs/sub89.pdf In this document it refers to a couple of High Court of Australia decisions regarding the constitutional rights of the Commonwealth over Norfolk Island. One being Berwick Ltd v Gray in 1976, you will have to read right to the end as most of the information is in the summary. This link will take you to that case. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/1976/12.html Happy reading.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 05:47:45 PM
To Brud - Yes it did go through in 1914, but as I said in earlier post , it should have been no more than a formality, as NSW was by then part of the new Commonwealth of Australia. Here is a sort of history timeline that helps understand things and when they happened. Norfolk Island is one of Australia's oldest Territories with a history of European occupation as old of that mainland Australia. The Island was uninhabited when discovered by Captain Cook in 1774. However there is archaeological evidence of Polynesian or Melanesian presence on Norfolk long before its settlement by Europeans perhaps as long ago as the twelfth century. The Island was first occupied and settled by the British in 1788 by a party from the settlement at Sydney then itself only 5 weeks old. The settlement on Norfolk Island played an important role in supplying Sydney's until it became self-supporting. Norfolk's first settlement lasted until 1814 when the community were resettled in Tasmania or Van Diemans Land. Norfolk was reoccupied by the British in 1825 and used as a penal station to house convicts sent from NSW and Tasmania. The penal station was closed in 1855 and its remains are today a major tourist attraction. Norfolk Island formed part of NSW until 1844 and then part of Tasmania from 1844 to 1856. In 1856 the British Government agreed to relocate the 193 descendants of the Bounty Mutineers from Pitcairn Island to Norfolk Island. To this end Norfolk Island was severed from Tasmania and established as a separate and distinct settlement. From then until the end of the nineteenth century Norfolk Island became the responsibility of the Governor of New South Wales acting as the agent of British colonial authorities in London. In practice the Islanders looked after most of their own affairs and lived a self sufficient and largely subsistence existence. In 1897 the British Government placed the Island under the direct administration of the colony of New South Wales with provision for its annexation to any federal body of which NSW might subsequently form part. This arrangement continued when New South Wales became an Australian State on Federation in 1900. In 1914 by a combination of the Australian Parliament's passage of the Norfolk Island Act 1913 and an Order in Council signed by King George the Fifth Norfolk Island became an Australia Territory under the authority of the Australian Commonwealth. From 1914 until 1979 the local affairs of the Island were governed by an Administrator appointed by the Federal Government supported by a locally appointed or elected advisory council. In 1979 the Federal Government granted a significant degree of self-government to the Island's 2000 residents which continues today. Descendants of the original Pitcairn Islanders now make up about 48 percent of the permanent resident population of Norfolk Island.
Name: Brud.
Email: doonatoon.
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 03:54:48 PM
Hi Grayeme I have scanned the first lot of super interesting paperwork you have posted here and due to frisky, happy children have not as yet had the opportunity to scan the second lot (ca'nt wait). Are there any actual, official written words to say that the intention was actually followed through? Is there written and official proof that Norfolk was taken over by the Commonwealth around that time rather than leed-up communications? You are an interesting person Grayeme. Thanks.
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 12:14:40 PM
Thanks for your answer Lena, you have my interest and I want to know much much more. If Norfolk came under NSW in the 1880's then less than 30 years after the Pitcairners settled Norfolk things changed. Best I get researching .
Name: Darlene Buffett - Dar Bizziebee
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 11:48:40 AM
Grayeme - thank you for the links you have provided for all to see. It is amazing just how much history you and Lynne do know of this place and it is a pleasure to have met you both. Colin & I look forward to the next rendezvous and history lesson!! By the way - thank you also for the HUGE amount of LP's you sent to me. It looks great in my collection and I will treasure them. Please keep the links going. I understand it is surprising a great deal of people.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 09:52:36 AM
You are right in what you say Lena - and the papers also draw many parallels with what is repeating itself again in the current situation on the island. When I put the "link up", I was hoping that it may stimulate some thought on the subject. In the papers you would have seen mention of a meeting the Administrator held with the Islanders in Rawson Hall in January 1913. The following link will take you to the minutes of that meeting. Happy reading. http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=28145&I=1&SE=0
Name: Lena Hand
Email: handlena@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 08:00:51 AM
Payer of FIL said ; "I find it ridiculous that many of our Residents that operate some of the main business houses here have the hide to complain about our economy and yet continue to dodge paying FIL. ALL OF OUR MAIN TOUR OPERATORS AND HOTELS OPERATE USING OFF- SHORE BANK ACCOUNTS. WHY DO YOU KEEP DODGING OUR TAXES. SHAME ON YOU HYPOCRITES AND TAX DODGERS. WE WILL ONLY SURVIVE IF WE ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE UPKEEP OF OUR ISLAND SO DO YOUR PART AND CHANGE YOUR WAYS. I am compiling a list of all the business's here that operate through off shore accounts and I will list them here on this forum for all to see. If any one out there agrees with me than please add to the list. It is time that the Island gets a bit out of the main players instead of the small man, who does not dodge FIL, paying all the Islands debts." ------- I've been waiting patiently for the list - please - so that I can "support those businesses who support the island" when I come for my holiday.
Name: Lena Hand
Email: handlena@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 30 April 2006
Time: 07:23:39 AM
Lara said ; "Isn't it interesting that the stroke of a pen or a comment by someone who felt no favour toward the people of Norfolk could change their history and they probably never gave their comment or decision another thought and most certainly never lost any sleep over it either" Change their history forever ??? - What difference did it make ??? - NOT A THING !!! It was merely a "departmental transferral". NI had been placed under the care of NSW since the 1880's (or thereabout) by England - and it, NSW, could ( or didn't want to) no longer handle the burden - so passed the job onto, Mum - the Commonwealth of Australia. You have to remember that Federation in Australia (1901), had occurred since England put Norfolk Island under NSW's care. It was a big "to-do" over NOTHING !!!!!
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 29 April 2006
Time: 05:19:50 PM
Thanks grayeme for affording me the opportunity to read those fascinating papers and a look back in history. Now of course I have so many questions. Am I correct in thinking that the decision to change the history of Norfolk was made by signed by the King ? It would appear that if this is so, Australia had no say but to accept orders from Britain. Isn't it interesting that the stroke of a pen or a comment by someone who felt no favour toward the people of Norfolk could change their history and they probably never gave their comment or decision another thought and most certainly never lost any sleep over it either
Name: amazed
Email: @aus
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 29 April 2006
Time: 10:37:19 AM
Wow - thats amazing stuff Grayeme
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 29 April 2006
Time: 09:50:37 AM
Analysing history helps design the future. http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=28947&I=1&SE=0 You may have to copy the link into your browser. ??
Name: Simon
Email: noemail@...
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 April 2006
Time: 11:23:13 PM
Quick line just to let you know that the science lab at the school has been broken into AGAIN and the only thing taken AGAIN was my tropical freshwater fish! Please keep an eye out for any 'new' fish someone might have and help us return all the fish to the school again. The ones taken this time are commonly known as oscars and convict cichlids. The Oscar is predominately white with orange markings and is about 10cm long and the convicts are basically white and no more than 3cm long. If anyone can help please contact the school and ask for me. I know a lot of kids that will be disappointed that their class pets have been stolen yet again. Regards, Simon
Name: One Less
Email: more_to_go.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 April 2006
Time: 06:19:49 PM
Ex TEP - keep it that way. And take any others like you as well.
Name: Yo
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 28 April 2006
Time: 02:32:55 PM
Ex TEP...I see why you are an Ex TEP
Name: ex tep
Email: asmallpartofoz.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 April 2006
Time: 10:35:34 AM
i see the letter from minister Lloyd says ozzie is going to take over customs, quarantine and immigration no matter what. The immigration part is no surprise given the amount of dodgy people that have been allowed to settle here in recent years, some seemingly having been able just to buy their way in without meeting the double standards that others have had to endure. The bubble has finally burst for the one (sure you know who i mean) that has given decent TEP's such a hard time unnecessarily. There should be no surprise there
Name: Norfolker
Email: @ni
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 28 April 2006
Time: 08:26:35 AM
HAPPY 100TH BIRTHDAY TO RUBY MATHEWS. CONGRATULATIONS AND MAY YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT DAY AND YEAR.
Name: Questions also
Email: NI
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 27 April 2006
Time: 02:28:48 PM
I too wonder if all the expense is worth the trip considering the internet is far cheaper option for studies, considering the current economic climate of today. Don't get me wrong I would like nothing better than to see a group of kids travel overseas for an educational trip, but what will they end getting out of it really? There is already competition for the next year 6 fund raisers, how does one feel reaching into the pockets for every function going on Norfolk Island when one is finding the cots of living heading out the door. Sorry but I can't support this one, that is until the economic climate improves?????
Name: Question
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 27 April 2006
Time: 12:17:33 PM
Before I hand out dead money toward this group of school kids heading off to Tahiti in October - can someone please tell me if either of the adults accompanying the kids actually speak French? how many of the children are of Pitcairn descent? how many of them speak fluent French? is this trip part of the education curriculum? is it as it seems - a trip just for the hell of it using the publics' money? I have a good idea what the answers are – but would like those in the know to answer the Norfolk Island community officially.
Name: Your Friendly Advisor
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 27 April 2006
Time: 08:21:35 AM
Grant, removing your name from the search engines is much like removing yourself from the community and erasing any trace of your being there...I suggest that if you want the search engines to pick up on your good points, you need to become public and let everyone know what happened in order for you to be wrongly accused??? There doesn't seem to be much in the way of information on your part in the affair...but once and for all why don't you go public considering you have nothing to fear or hide??? If it were me I would, in order to clear my name...think about!.. it when persons browse the net they don't care if you are innocent...it seems human nature wants to hear the bad stuff...
Name: Another Soldier
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 26 April 2006
Time: 08:14:33 AM
Thank you Soldier Boy. It was a glorious day here in Paradise yesterday and all functions went very well especially the wonderful food put on at the RSL club by the women volunteers. Well done yorlye. It was a very special day and all our departed loved ones and comrades would have been very proud.
Name: Soldier Boy
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 25 April 2006
Time: 12:15:51 PM
Remembering those Norfolk Islanders who gave their lives for our Nation. Lest We Forget.
Name: can you beleive this
Email: @a-loss
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 24 April 2006
Time: 11:18:15 AM
GRANT CARDNO@ASKLEO.COM How do I remove myself from the search engines? http://askleo.com/how_do_i_remove_myself_from_the_search_engines.html I am tired of my name being used in association with HYIP or any other associated mention of my name? Can you please tell me how my name can be removed permanently from any sites posted on Google using my name? Can whats there be removed immediately. Its wrong and has caused a lot of stress. Best Regards, Grant Cardno. Posted by: Grant Cardno at January 29, 2006 09:16 PM
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 10:29:23 PM
Keryn Blight- I also am "chuffed" that you consider me an expert on all things Norfolk (since my recent visit). My news to you my dear is that I have always been interested in the island and have done a lot of research over more than 30 years. My family history on Norfolk Island goes back to 1789 and the first settlement, and with three ancestors being there, that makes Norfolk a fairly important link in our family's history. I am also one that is lucky enough to be able to call Darlene and Colin friends, and to all the folk both on Norfolk and in Aussie that have come to her support in the past few posts - good on you !!. The lady is a doer, and has guts, plus she stands for everything that is Norfolk. Keryn, it is hard to understand how anyone can treat there homeland and folk with the disrespect you show, just maybe if you got off your ass and done something constructive for Norfolk for a change, you may get the opportunity to experience that feeling of achievement for once in your life.!!
Name: islander off shore
Email: timitties_crack@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 06:29:23 PM
Keryn Blight - you are a dork and a moron. You know it's only a few of us who know Darls as dar bizziebee so something tells me your surname just might be Black! I seem to remember you back home on the rock and you were about as popular and liked as poisonous snakes. Good on you Darls for your 2 entries. None of us likes taking crap from the likes of Keryn and others on here and I'm looking forward to hearing you on the airwaves when I come home for Bounty. I get real homesick over here. Keryn, if you have any guts - drop me an email if you have anything to say.
Name: islander off shore
Email: timitties_crack@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 06:29:07 PM
Keryn Blight - you are a dork and a moron. You know it's only a few of us who know Darls as dar bizziebee so something tells me your surname just might be Black! I seem to remember you back home on the rock and you were about as popular and liked as poisonous snakes. Good on you Darls for your 2 entries. None of us likes taking crap from the likes of Keryn and others on here and I'm looking forward to hearing you on the airwaves when I come home for Bounty. I get real homesick over here. Keryn, if you have any guts - drop me an email if you have anything to say.
Name: updated survey results
Email: lawrence_kempton@fastmail.fm
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 01:38:13 PM
http://www.xanga.com/Lawrence_Kempton
Name: Fiona
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 10:14:21 AM
I have been rolling around the floor laughing at the brilliant and to the point entry from Dar Bizziebee. What a classic reply to the ignoramus...Blight. Thank you for the bit of comedy. It is quite a change to get a good laugh from this forum. I will send you a personal email Darlene as I would like to communicate with an islander.
Name: Mike
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 09:22:20 AM
Good on you Darls! I admire your courage and fearless outlook and the fact you have the knack to put people back in their boxes. Go girl!!
Name: Darlene Buffett aka Dar Bizziebee
Email: mysetintola@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 07:11:51 AM
To you Keryn BLIGHT - I do not appreciate your accusation and comment, however I do feel very honoured that you class me as a person who knows everything. I am really chuffed about that as I have always wanted people like you [who don't even know me] to put me way up high on a pedestal. Thanks. Thanks also to Grayeme & D Buffett who both have hit the nail on the head and obviously also hit some nerves out there. One good positive out of all of this is that we at least are not afraid to show our true identities and not behind names such as BLIGHT.....a most suitable name I must say. Have a great day Blight and hang in there mate.....all will be okay for you.
Name: Darlene Buffett aka Dar Bizziebee
Email: mysetintola@gmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 07:03:48 AM
To you Keryn Blight - I do not appreciate your smart arse comment and false accusation. However I do feel very honored to be classed as a person who knows everything. That is brilliant. Thanks to Grayeme for his input and well said D Buffett. You have hit the nail on the head and I don't mind if people think it is I who made the comments because it is well written and has obvioulsy hit a few nerves! At least there are a few of us who are not afraid to show our true identities and not like some who hide behind names such as BLIGHT.
Name: Darlene Buffett aka Dar Bizziebee
Email: mwe@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 23 April 2006
Time: 07:01:25 AM
To you Keryn Blight - I do not appreciate your smart arse comment. However I do feel very honored to be classed as a person who knows everything. That is brilliant. Thanks to Grayeme for his input and well said D Buffett. You have hit the nail on the head and I don't mind if people think it is I who made the comments because it is well written and has obvioulsy hit a few nerves! At least there are a few of us who are not afraid to show our true identities and not like some who hide behind names such as BLIGHT.
Name: Payer of FIL
Email: norlarnen@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 09:32:42 PM
I find it ridulous that many of our Residents that operate some of the main business houses here have the hide to complain about our economy and yet continue to dodge paying FIL. ALL OF OUR MAIN TOUR OPERATORS AND HOTELS OPERATE USING OFF- SHORE BANK ACCOUNTS. WHY DO YOU KEEP DODGING OUR TAXES. SHAME ON YOU HYPOCRITES AND TAX DODGERS. WE WILL ONLY SURVIVE IF WE ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE UPKEEP OF OUR ISLAND SO DO YOUR PART AND CHANGE YOUR WAYS. I am compiling a list of all the business's here that operate through off shore accounts and I will list them here on this forum for all to see. If any one out ther agree's with me than please add to the list. It is time that the Island gets a bit out of the main players instead of the small man, who does not dodge FIL, paying all the Islands debts.
Name: Keryn Blight
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 07:31:25 PM
Seems Grayeme has become such an expert since his short visit over there (knows everything there is to know, it seems). And D Buffett is probably dar Bizziebee another one who seems to know everything. A forum is just that a forum where everyone can engage in discussion, if interesting subjects are raised those who are interested enough will take part in discussion. Sometimes good ideas come to light through this type of forum.
Name: what does the silent majority think?
Email: lawrence_kempton@fastmail.fm
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 05:49:00 PM
view results in progress here: http://www.xanga.com/Lawrence_Kempton
Name: silent majority?
Email: lawrence_kempton@fastmail.fm
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 03:55:54 PM
why not do this democratically: http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=o08ru475x6evax1185934
Name: non de plume
Email: fear-not-the-unknown@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 03:04:29 PM
lot of D Buffetts on norfolk. so which one are you?? and what is your real email address?.....get my point?
Name:
Email: @compu.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 01:30:19 PM
oops sorry mr brown imeant buffet, hey both start with b dont they
Name: bigcity
Email: @compu.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 01:26:17 PM
personally i find reading norfolk forum totally entertaining and see no harm whatsoever other than to those that take life too seriously. chat away what one wishes its no big deal really, only peoples views which we all have a right to have, so stop stressing mr brown
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 09:41:14 AM
Well said D.Buffett, everything you say is so true. It is a shame that so many "pretenders" out there want to claim to be islanders and gabble on with a pile of garbage. The forum needs to be either moderated or closed down, as at the moment it does nothing but damage the Islands Tourism image in a big way. I have always used my correct name and genuine email address on this forum and it has done me no harm - but then again - I stand by what I say here and am not a "pretender".
Name: D Buffett
Email: @norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006
Time: 07:59:14 AM
It saddens me to check out this forum to see all the crap that is being written on this site. It is also astounding to think there are so many ignorant people on this planet. Why don't any of you have the gumption to sign your names??? if you have the [so called] intelligence to bother writing - then show a bit more [intelligence] by signing your names. If I were a potential visitor and looked at this forum - I would honestly wonder what sort of people I would be confronted by should I travel to Norfolk Island. All you 'nom de plumes' should hang your heads in shame because I know for a fact a great deal of you are not from Norfolk Island nor are you Islanders. Get a life and get on with it and stop using this forum as a laundry. If any of you feel you need to reply/comment on my submission, then do the decent thing and sign your name. I nor fraed fer any yorlye!
Name: missing home
Email: wheresMe
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 April 2006
Time: 11:53:51 PM
looks like the Island is still afloat ----- missing the taste of some trumpy -- hihi --- mudda fe mum's en one goode swim down emily....... Sending all yourley one big smile from Europe..........xxooxx
Name: Outside looking in
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 21 April 2006
Time: 11:25:36 PM
Time to change the subjects on this forum, it is becoming so boring to prospective tourists who visit here. Lighten up everyone.
Name: food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 April 2006
Time: 05:46:15 PM
Narnia - Yes, that's correct. Easter and Christmas are pagan traditions. I was simply asking the question (in my previous post) fully aware that they are pagan festivals. I was just interested in chickpea's response!
Name: realtor
Email: islandlife.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 21 April 2006
Time: 12:58:33 PM
thank you narnia great to hear something to finnaly put the world in perspective. you have saved me from the madness. we need more like you who deal in reallity
Name: narnia
Email: the_fact_of_the_matter@impartialobserver.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 21 April 2006
Time: 12:04:15 AM
Er - Christmas and Easter are actually pagan festivals - Hence where we get christmas trees, santa, bunnies, and eggs - which have NOTHING to do with the birth or death of Jesus Christ. Easter was a celebration of spring and bunnies were an icon of this, also coloured eggs were given as gifts... The christians used the dates to convert the pagans... nobody knows the exact date of Jesus' birth.
Name: Joe
Email: classified
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 06:30:46 PM
Charles opined: "With his background from 1788 he probably has more rights than you islanders of Tahitian and Mutineer blood to Norfolk Island." ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Charles the first issue that needs to be clarified, is that ALL class distinctions, within the community which was to become the Norfolk Islanders, went up in smoke on the evening of 23 Jan. 1790. This egalitarian principle was immediately confirmed with the EQUAL division of land amongst the mutineers. Anyone on Norfolk promenading as a Brahmin must, therefore, be self-appointed. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The claims of the Bounty descended Norfolk Islanders, to Norfolk Island, rest on four foundational pillars: 1) Pacta sunt servanda/sanctity of contract [ie. the terms & conditions of the 1856 covenant]: a basic principle of both civil law and international law. 2)Jus sanguinis or 'right of blood': our Polynesian heritage in Oceania extends back over at least 4,000 years - including settlements on Norfolk; radio carbon dating on the Kingston middens place previous Polynesian settlement between about 750AD to about 1450AD, ie. within a similar time frame as Aotearoa - which in turn suggests that the settlers also originated in what is now French Polynesia. 3) Crown Royal Prerogative of Alexandrina Victoria - Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Empress of India: Admiral Sir George Young (uncle of Ned Young) was a trusted confidante of King George the III & Commander of the Royal Yacht. Victoria's father, the Duke of Kent and Strathearn, was the fourth son of King George III & her 'consideration' for the Norfolk community was founded on this family connection. It was Her pleasure that we should inherit Norfolk - but we believe the pleasure is actually all Ours. 4)Accrued Rights in Uninterrupted Fee Simple Absolute since 1856: fee simple is the estate in territory which a community has when the lands are granted to them and their heirs absolutely, without any end or limit put to their estate. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If you would like to debate me on any of these points I would be most happy to oblige.
Name: Charles
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 03:18:46 PM
Had foundations on Norfolk for many years Fiona, so keep your comments to yourself.
Name: Fiona
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 02:07:14 PM
Oh Charles - stick a sock in it. What the &*#%^ would you know about the island or its people unless you have been with them for a long period of time and not just 5 minutes like many other "KNOW IT ALLS" on here. I would live on Norfolk Island any day as like you, many Aussies here are in such a rutt so butt out unless your commnets have foundations - which I doubt they have at all.
Name: Charles
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 12:54:12 PM
Speak for yourself Fiona, I sure ain't in the lower class as you put it. But many on Norfolk Island put themselves in the upper class ranks so much that they really believe it to to be the case.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Andorra
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 12:50:05 PM
to food for thought, no actually, i dont value xmas or easter too much, and anyhow these festive times are about jesus although many may argue its about santa clause
Name: Fiona
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 12:15:10 PM
Whatever Charles. You seem to have all the answers it is such a pity you are in the lower class!
Name: Charles
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 10:42:40 AM
Perhaps you should turn over Norfolk to John Forrester (shame he is 80 years old) , who has been dining with the Queen celebrating their shared birthdays. With his background from 1788 he probably has more rights than you islanders of Tahitian and Mutineer blood to Norfolk Island.
Name: outside looking in
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 10:19:20 AM
I see where the Australian Capital Territory government are in dire straits financially. Perhaps the Commonwealth Government should follow the precedent they are trying to set with Norfolk and strip the ACT of their self-government powers.
Name: Food For Thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2006
Time: 09:59:25 AM
Chickpea - I'm sorry to hear that you think God is a myth. OK if you don't believe in a God, then let me ask you this. Do you celebrate Christmas or participate in celebrating Christmas or Easter?
Name: Born Again
Email: my-redeemer-liveth
Country: Bassas_Da_India
Date: Wednesday, 19 April 2006
Time: 05:51:50 PM
chickpea you will be converted to one sorry-ass falafel on the hottest hobs of Hell!
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Bouvet Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 07:15:35 PM
has anyone explored bethlehem, and experienced the teeny tiny doorways that enter the church around jesus was born. jesus was a man, possibly a man of politics god is a myth. if it helps ones belief good for you,but get real
Name: newtral
Email: newter
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 04:03:44 PM
i menmt "resurrected" sorry & mabe f did to
Name: Food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 02:19:04 PM
Mo Says - Thank you for your comments. Yes, in this particular case it should refer to Jesus as He was the one resurrected. But at the same time, it is disrespectful to make any kind of comment like the previous posts against Jesus / God. I'm not here to cause trouble or a big argument here on the forum. You've all heard my point of view, so you either take it in, or you don't. I'm sure too, that God has a sense of humour. But I don't think He would be laughing at such a comment like f's and newtral's. You don't have to be disrespectful in the process!
Name: Food for thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 02:17:46 PM
Mo Says - Thank you for your comments. Yes, in this particular case it should refer to Jesus as He was the one resurrected. But at the same time, it is disrespectful to make any kind of comment like the previous posts against Jesus / God. I'm not here to cause trouble or a big argument here on the forum. You've all heard my point of view, so you either take it in, or you don't. I'm sure too, that God has a sense of humour. But I don't think He would be laughing at such a comment like f's and newtral's. You don't have to be disrespectful in the process!
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Andorra
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 01:04:54 PM
i agree some of our peers should simply lighten up god is probably having a right good laugh at us all dont you think? and i believe he prefers it this way god bless
Name: newtral
Email: newter
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 12:35:32 PM
maybe f ment re-errection? not evryons a good spella
Name: Mo Says
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 12:28:19 PM
Food_for_thought...totally agree with you, this is not the place to throw rash comments that effect others beliefs...Though F4thgt...don't you mean Jesus (in this case) not God??? I am not particularily a religous person, but I do respect those that are...consider the repercussions of an innocent cartoon...consider respect to others and we can live in harmony!
Name: Food_for_thought
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 09:35:14 AM
In response to "get_over_yourselves " comment. In my last post, I wasn't throwing any insults regarding f's comments. I was just stating the facts, that it is disrespectful to write something like that about God. I don't see any insults in that! Yes, we are all sinners but that doesn't mean that I should sit back and let this person think that it is OK to say something like that about God!
Name: get_over_yourselves
Email: xxx@yyy.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 18 April 2006
Time: 02:58:58 AM
Lighten up kids - and is that "Karma" you are trying to spell ? A little light hearted dig at the "praise the Lord" crew is hardly a reason to start throwing insults back and forth now is it ? And not really a Christian response.... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Name: Khama_for_f
Email: vamoose.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 April 2006
Time: 08:48:14 PM
To the ignorant, pathetic, lifeless, inhumane, crass and brain dead bastard who posted as 'f' - I believe in Khama and you know what???? you will have a BIG surprise and SHOCK ahead of you, but you won't realise it for long. Get my drift??? so long pal! you are too sick for this planet.
Name: food for thought...
Email: yougutno_taste@distastful.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 17 April 2006
Time: 11:50:57 AM
In response to f's post. Your comment isn't even funny. Your comment is very distastful and disrespectful. It's not even funny to write such a comment like that. You do realise who you are disrespecting? YOu may not believe in God or take God seriously, but I do. Just remember next time when you are in trouble and something goes wrong in your life...who is it that people normally turn to and ask for help...God!So I wouldn't be writing such comments like that, ever!
Name: g
Email: g
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 16 April 2006
Time: 05:59:33 PM
You people who are the recent posts on this forum get a life, surely you can do something constructive with your lives. Its Easter celebrate it wisely, don't make fun of it.
Name: f
Email: f
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 16 April 2006
Time: 05:20:16 PM
may his errection be eternal
Name: e
Email: e
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 16 April 2006
Time: 08:08:00 AM
The Lord Is Risen. He His Risen Indeed
Name: e
Email: e
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 14 April 2006
Time: 06:32:01 PM
Happy Easter to every one
Name: question
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 April 2006
Time: 01:59:06 PM
Does anyone know who is the Harry Robinson Robbie Gowdey, Was he on the misistry of Campus Crusade of Christ? Did he know and work with Grant Cardno in Norfolk Island?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 14 April 2006
Time: 07:16:24 AM
No Thanks Garnet - trading in Human Life was abolished by Abe Lincoln a long time ago. Plus, I think Norfolk has got enough of that sort of thing in it's history. Have a great Easter all out there in Paradise.
Name: Garnet
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2006
Time: 10:02:34 PM
Announcement that anymore West Papuans that might head Australias way will end up in Nauru detention centre. Perhaps Norfolk could oblige and take a few perhaps this might be a way of getting more money out of the Australian Government and assist your money problems.
Name: SpellingB
Email: ontherock.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2006
Time: 12:24:31 PM
Where is the problem with expecting someone who holds a well paying position to be able to spell properly. Maybe those who are so quick to tell someone to get a life should have a look in their own backyard . Spelling is important particularly on Govt. papers.
Name: purple haze
Email: purple@purplecurves.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2006
Time: 11:55:54 AM
Oops, that was meant to read "princess"
Name: Purple Haze
Email: purplevision@curves.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2006
Time: 11:54:33 AM
Welcome back to Norfolk Petal. Kiwi's loss is Norfolk's gain you sexy little purple pricess. ;-)
Name: Trivial Matters
Email: other_things_to_worry_about.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2006
Time: 09:19:18 AM
Oh dear Sandra.........what a boring life you must have being so damned perfect.
Name: Trivial Matters
Email: other_things_to_worry_about.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 13 April 2006
Time: 09:19:03 AM
Oh dear Sandra.........what a boring life you must have being so damned perfect.
Name: Sandra
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 09:40:38 PM
Someone needs to pull their socks up and do their job properly down town. On the Government Web site I note many spelling mistakes that seem to stay uncorrected, On the Airport section at present they have Deputy Airport Manger instead of Manager. Don't they ever use spell check??? Seems who ever is entering data is certainly not checking what they are doing. This is not the first time mistakes have been made. Its shoddy work and whoever is in the position should be given the boot out of there. A Government site is one people from other countries go to get information, it doesn't look good.
Name: tep
Email: livinginparadise
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 08:09:22 PM
well said brett, and lets hope islander abroad stays abroad as his language and attitude are exactly what norfolk doesnt need
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 07:52:39 PM
Reply to... Islander Abroad, Perhaps you should return to Norfolk and help out your blood brothers in their hour of need, not have a go at everyone who might comment about the present state of affairs on the island via this forum. Its healthy to debate as those who are extremely worried about the current situation can get their frustration out by discussing things that are bothering them. Government on Norfolk won't listen so who do they have to turn to. We hear your plight folk and are on your side all the way, don't all yorlye go down with the sinking ship, get out the long boats and row your way out of this one and we who care will be the wind beneath your wings on your journey.
Name: psychiatrist name
Email: norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 03:54:35 PM
the psychiatrist name was Paul Meier
Name: AGAIN
Email: real-scared
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 02:14:25 PM
I WAS REFERING TO THE LACK OF INFO AND CO-OPERATION DOWNTOWN ..........TREATING US ALL LIKE MUSHROOMS..........IT TAKES BALLS TO STAND UP TO DICKTATORS
Name: Bligh
Email: bligh_onnorfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 02:09:20 PM
To the previous post..............have you ever heard the saying "we give up"??? perhaps this is the way us islanders are feeling right now. It isn't the Norfolk Island Government alone who needs to be put in a long-boat.....there are plenty more we can add to it as well.........and not of this place either. I am sure if you put yout thinking cap on - you will know who I mean........ NAG are to be congratulated on what they are doing and achieving for all of us here and congrtulations also to Mary Christian Bailey and Bonnie Maywald. Thanks for us! Come on everybody - check out their sites and support them. http://www.nagnorfolk.com http://www.angelsandeagles.blogspot.com/
Name: hope yorle been plant plenty of vegies
Email: to-scared-to-stand-up-to-dem-downtown@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 01:42:15 PM
I AM ASTOUNDED A SECOND MUTINY IS NOT ALREADY HAPPENING ON NORFOLK........PUT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN A LONGBOAT AND PUSH THEM OFFSHORE.........WOULD HAVE THOUGHT AT LEAST A DEMONSTRATION MARCH ON AN ASSENBLY MEETING BY NOW.......HASNT ANY ONE GOT ANY BALLS ON NORFOLK?
Name: William
Email: hettaeucklun.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 11:21:02 AM
We can feel a M U T I N Y coming on........
Name: Laura
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 07:09:46 AM
Your passion for Norfolk is very refreshing and I love the sincerity that comes through Grayeme. Are you a Norfolk Islander.
Name: All Ucklen in Da Bigsmoke
Email: Unikids
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 01:42:15 AM
hey yorley wat-a-weih just asking if their is any other web cams of home so that we nor get home sick have a great one yorley
Name: Islander Abroad
Email: Fuck_brett@yahoo.com.au
Country: United States
Date: Wednesday, 12 April 2006
Time: 01:32:41 AM
Your a cock head brett...do you live on the island? do you know what tourism is for the island? why try and ruin our major income?
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 11:45:23 PM
Norfolk has itself to blame really as they allowed too many accommodation developments to be built and now the smaller numbers of tourist coming to the island is seeing establishments being without the tourists to fill them, this is their living if they don't get the tourists they don't have the money to purchase and so the local shops and businesses suffer. A terrible state of affairs really.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 11:16:09 PM
Well the current runway can handle the 737's ok. But with the return of the Air Nauru 737 service, then the extra Sunday service from Brisbane and Sydney will probably cease again. I think a major upgrade of the airport is a while off yet as that will be a massive project of many millions of dollars that Norfolk just does not have and would have to be funded by Australia. I have to agree that the F100 services since the end of February have not been good enough, but the weather has not been very kind either over the past few weeks. I myself had to stay an extra couple of days waiting for a flight out 2 weeks ago, but I counted that as a bonus. But there is no backlog of tourists waiting to get to Norfolk either, as you can see easily by going to the Qantas Booking site, and you will find you can get a seat on almost any flight right up to flight time, so the planes are not all the problem. The real problem is getting people to want to come back and visit Norfolk. When I was there early this month there were less than 500 tourists on the island, that leaves about 70% of the tourist beds empty. Unfortunately there is no quick-fix to any of Norfolks problems.
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 10:35:08 PM
Grayeme, Thanks for all the info I am aware of the current situation and know how difficult it is doing large jobs like this without a sufficent port to load & offload equipment. I would have thought that future planning should have been taken but previous NI representatives inline with help from the Australian Government on the upgrading of the runway to service these larger aircraft. The time lapsed will no doubt blow out costs, had it been done some years back the costs would have been far less. It was obvious that a larger aircraft was needed to service Norfolk Island.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 08:42:30 PM
A good post "Airline". Brett are you aware that the Norfolk Island Government actualy has to charter the aircraft in fron Australia and pay a set fee per flight regardless of how many passengers are on them. Also planes are a very expensive item and have to be kept flying in order to pay their way. Air Nauru would not be viable just servicing it's own island routes, but with the addition of the Norfolk flights, that keeps the plane in the air and thus a viable proposition. The bottom line is quite simply that no airline is prepared to fly to Norfolk without some Government guarantee. As far as your comments about Nauru's finances, well Norfolk Islands financial position at the moment is just about on a par with Nauru's. Norfolk just does not any money to go wheeling and dealing with airlines even if they could find one to talk to. It is not easy to get thing done on Norfolk. Things we simply take for granted on the Mainland - are major projects to Norfolk Island and some of the logistics to get projects under way are mindboggling. For example, the laying of the overlay on the existing airstrip (which is really just resurfacing) has been almost 12 months in preparation. All the equipment required like -Rollers - bitumen laying machinery etc. has had to be shipped in. The bitumen itself has had to be barged in from Fiji. All this has taken months, and remember Norfolk does not have a port like we have on the mainland. Much of this equipment has to be man-handled off the barges and ships to get it to shore. The costs for these projects are astronomical compared to what we do in Australia.
Name: Airline
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 07:45:10 PM
Brett- I think the majority here know the potential problems with Air Nauru but in reality there are not too many Airlines lining up to take on the Norfolk Island sector...if anyone knows of one that is willing and able to service Norfolk Island at a rate that is not going to put travel to Norfolk Island out of reach of the average traveller we would be keen to here it...the booking system is currently serviced by QANTAS...it certainly true if you want to go broke in a hurry start an airline! look to the recent Airlines going under...now Aussie Airlines...who is next? If major Airlines are going to the wall, who can help little old Norfolk Island...to date Air Nauru has been our saviour!
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 05:32:56 PM
In reply to the person who updated me re the upgrading of the runway to accommodate the larger jets great to hear something is being done. If you go to the 737 leased from Air Nauru what then, if The Nauru Government fails to pay their debts who'll be waiting at the airports involved to reposess the aircraft? The Taiwan Government is financing the 737 so watch out folks. Wouldn't it be better to deal with a reputable Company other than a corrupt and broke Government of Nauru.
Name: question
Email: dot.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 05:25:50 PM
Why is Air Nauru so important in the scheme of things? There must be spare 737's for hire. Most of the time I fly the majority of the female crew find it hard to crack a smile and don't put anyone in the mood for a fun holiday.The whole thing is a shambles.
Name: Airline
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 03:21:40 PM
Brett - For your info, the work on the runway overlay has commenced, it is hoped that bigger craft will eventually be able to land here. The 737 is certainly the aircraft of choice. Air Nauru is supposed to have their 737 by the end of the month???? The thing I would like to know is, how much damage to Norfolk tourisim has been done by last weeks feasco??? No good telling the upset travellers that it is not Norfolk Islands fault or pointing fingers...as for them their next journey will not be to Norfolk Island! Regardless of who is at fault...once bitten twice shy!
Name: GUEST BOOK
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 09:20:58 AM
The 'Guest Book' is full of mumbo jumbo emails giving long lenghty web-sites. It takes a while to find a date when someone wrote something simple in the what is supposed to be the 'Guest Book'. Can these be deleted???????
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2006
Time: 08:36:28 AM
This arrangement between the Nauru Government wet leasing aircraft from Alliance on the Norfolk run, I think is a big mistake. Who decided that this would help both Norfolk Island and Nauru's corrupt Government? Its a damb disgrace, when passengers flying on the leased aircraft can't be sure they will arrived at their destination let alone their luggage. Time Norfolk got those runways extended so larger aircraft can fly the route. These current aircraft are just not suitable if they have to take on extra fuel and offload luggage or passengers when the weather turns bad. An alternative is to put on extra flights from Brisbane and Sydney.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 08:57:05 PM
Does anyone out there on the Island know the TRUE story of what happened to these visitors Luggage. ????
Name: Metoo
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 07:33:57 PM
Where they passengers delibrately not told their bags where off loaded till they got here?? This is a common trait of the F100, when ever the weather is a bit dodgy and passenger numbers are up to the 70's - 80's something has to be taken off and extra fuel taken onboard...fact we must live with if we are to keep on using the F100's. The Government must do something now, or the F100 aircraft will suit our need exactly,once all the complaints and upset persons have had their ways, we won't have any visitors! Upset people = bad publicity for Norfolk island...just put yourself in the same place as these people...not only were they delayed...they had no luggage...I am certain that if it happened to you, you would be very unhappy! Hmmmm
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 06:04:41 PM
Brett - Was the luggage deliberately off-loaded to make way for extra fuel. ????
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 06:04:37 PM
In the current business of drugs being moved from airport to airport baggage tampering and survellence cameras tampered with, Aussie travellers are very worried as what happens to their luggage once it is out of sight, so I can understand why the passengers from Brisbane to Norfolk were so worried when their luggage did not turn up. There has to be very strict management of luggage going onto Norfolk Island from Brisbane & Sydney Airports and if things have not gone to plan, then it is also up to Norfolk Island representatives to assist those passenger disadvantaged by being left without luggage, on arrival. Don't pass the buck but get in and assist those passengers.
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 05:44:06 PM
Wouldn't it have been great if these passengers had been told prior to boarding the aircraft that their luggage had been offloaded to make way for extra fuel, then the passenger would have had the right to choose not to fly unacompanied by their luggage. People on the ground in Brisbane firstly are at fault, but people in the airline operations on Norfolk Island should have stepped in and assisted these people. Shame shame shame all of you involved. Its time your Government shoved off Nauru Airlines and Alliance. With Taiwanese Government now involved with financing Air Nauru's aircraft, no wonder their cutting corners.
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 05:43:51 PM
Wouldnh't it have been great if these passengers had been told prior to boarding the aircraft that their luggage had been offloaded to make way for extra fuel, then the passenger would have had the right to choose not to fly unacompanied by their luggage. People on the ground in Brisbane firstly are at fault, but people in the airline operations on Norfolk Island should have stepped in and assisted these people. Shame shame shame all of you involved. Its time your Government shoved off Nauru Airlines and Alliance. With Taiwanese Government now involved with financing Air Nauru's aircraft, no wonder their cutting corners.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 05:16:25 PM
Unhappy Visitors - Did you actually get given any explanation as to what happened to your luggage??? When I travel anywhere overseas, I always have Travel Insurance which allows me to purchase up to $500 worth of replacement clothing as soon as I am aware my luggage has gone astray, did you not have Travel Insurance ???. If so why did you have to be a week with only your hand luggage. On what has been written here so far, I can not see how this can be blamed on Norfolk Island.!!!!
Name: When are going to take responsiblity for your actions
Email: helpnorfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 03:46:23 PM
Why cant the Norfolk Island Government just take responsibility for their actions in regards to the running of their airline. They choose to run an airline, they pay for the service, so why cant they live up to the consequenses of their business decision. The main gripe from anybody recently travelling to Norfolk Island is that when there are any changes, disruptions or lost baggage nobody takes any responsibility or knows whats going on. The fact is that the Norfolk Island Government is the airline - they need to know whats going on and have a representative in Sydney, Brisbane and on Norfolk to let their passengers know (as every airline does) what's going on. What exactly is John Carlos being paid for? The Government knows what happens when there is bad weather, either off load passengers when extra fuel is required or off load bags, but for God's sake let your passengers know!!! You, the Government are paying for the service, you need to take responsibility, you are letting everyone take the blame except yourselves. Surely you can't be that green to have gone into this business without knowing the outcome of bad weather. You must have someone down their who knows what they are doing or you wouldn't have gone into the running of an airline. Please stop blaming Qantas, Air Nauru and Alliance because at the end of the day, you, the Norfolk Island Government are paying the bill for these charter services, you are the airline. Get some balls and organise things the way you deem appropriate. Either get an airline who can do the job or take a bloody good look at yourselves and ask who is in control? Is the person you employed doing their job? and, which direction are you taking the 2,000 odd people whose lives depend upon air services going? Wake up and get some proper business direction before its too late - if in fact it already isn't!
Name: who
Email: where
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 12:36:38 PM
steve mathews is acting ceo
Name: Lost baggage
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 12:05:37 PM
It is very understandable that any unhappy person would turn to the first person they see and blame them! Their destination was to Norfolk Island and it is Norfolk Island that employs the services of the airlines! We have local agents likewise. Now blaming them for the problems will not solve the problem, but seeking an airline that has the decency to tell people that their bags were off loaded in the first place would at least soften the blow??? Consider that these same people could have possibly been here on time, if it wasn't for mechanical reasons...definately not Norfolk Islands fault...but we can certainly do something about it, by employing an airline and reps that care about Norfolk!
Name: psychiatrist in the US of A
Email: .com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 11:06:36 AM
anyone remember what the name of the the famous psychaitrist is who was mentioned in an article as involved in the investment scam with the group who is linked to grant?
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 08:53:34 AM
Seems to have been a real stuff up as I see it. I agree it is a mistake from Brisbane end that the luggage never got on the plane to Norfolk. But reading through the lines I'd say the people have been frustrated at not even getting the luggage on the next flight to Norfolk from Brisbane or Sydney. Having their belongings would have eased these peoples frustration, and if they felt that no one on your island took them serviously and appeared not to want to be of assistance to them no wonder they are angry. Surely there are representatives at Brisbane side who could have handled this matter better. If it had happened to me I would be angry too. Guess Norfolk has lost these tourists forever and anyone associated with them who may have visited on their recommendation. You can ill afford to be losing tourists at present with the way things are over there.
Name: Brett
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 08:49:19 AM
Seems to have been a real stuff up as I see it. I agree it is a mistake from Brisbane end that the luggage never got on the plane to Norfolk. But reading through the lines I'd say the people have been frustrated at not even getting the luggage on the next flight to Norfolk from Brisbane or Sydney. Having their belongings would have eased these peoples frustration, and if they felt that no one on your island took them serviously and appeared not to want to be of assistance to them no wonder they are angry. Surely there are representatives at Brisbane side wh could have handled this matter better. If it had happened to me I would be angry too.
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 10 April 2006
Time: 07:47:34 AM
to Roger and Dianne, how can u possibly blame Norfolk for the mismanagement of your luggage, I just dont get it, could u please explain how it is Norfolks fault and not Brisbane airports, you really have me baffled on this one, like agent said I could totally understand if the baggage was put on at Norfolk and got lost.Having travelled to Norfolk multiple times since 1977, I have never had a problem with bags maybe you should take a look at your own airports way of handling things,Casey.
Name: Agent
Email: agent.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 09:16:22 PM
Dear Roger & Dianne It is very sad that you feel the way you do following your recent visit to Norfolk Island. However, blaming Norfolk Island or the Norfolk Island Government for the fact your luggage did not accompany you is hardly our fault. You were flying from Brisbane to Norfolk Island I understand? Then how does this situation become the fault of Norfolk Island or the Government? I think you should put the blame right back on your own country / city / travel agent / baggage handlers. If you had said your baggage left Norfolk Island bound for Brisbane, Sydney and Auckland – then I would understand the problem would become ours – but blaming us is not the right move. I hope you can agree with me. Running to the media will not solve any airline matters nor would telling other potential visitors not tom visit us. That is really quite petty and so is the comment ‘joke of a holiday’. With any holiday comes all sorts of risks and one doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand what I am saying. Do you think for a minute ‘natural phenomena’s’ ie Tsunami’s, earthquakes etc etc make any holiday RISK FREE? It would be ludicrous to think not. How many plane crashes have occurred world-wide?? Things happen and things go wrong but it is very easy to blame anyone. Bad weather can prevent planes from flying to anywhere in the world - NOT JUST Norfolk Island – so don’t blame us for your misfortunes. Like I said – we all feel sorry for all of you who had no luggage but again – how can any person in their right mind blame Norfolk Island when you departed from Brisbane / Australia. I suggest you go back to your travel agent and then the baggage handlers at the airport. Clearly it is them who stuffed up not NORFOLK ISLAND.
Name: unhappy visitor
Email: roger_dianne@hotmail.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 08:54:56 PM
To the newly appointed Manager of your Local Airline: Can you honestly believe that visitors would want to come to your Island after the way we have been treated after our luggage did not arrive on the flight with us from Brisbane. I shall be contacting the Australian media on my return,(I understand that they are already aware this miss-managed place) to warn other visitors of our ridiculous holiday with no luggage and to think twice before coming here. I would suggest that your Government should put someone in place to manage the airline that knows what they are doing. I have been told that our luggage has been sent from Brisbane to Sydney to Auckland and now 5 days later will be sent back to Brisbane to wait for our return home. I would like to know how your Government run airline will reimburse us and the 36 other Brisbane passengers for this JOKE OF A HOLIDAY that we have had to endure with no luggage. (Yes - 38 bags went astray from last Wednesdays Brisbane flight and we are due to return this Wednesday having only our hand luggage to get us through the past week.) It would please us if someone here would be kind enough to pass on this letter to your local paper. I shall be giving a copy to the Sydney Morning Herald and also asking for an interview on my return. All I can say is thank God we dont have any luggage to worry about on our return trip - thats if the plane comes at all. We really are nice people but enough is enough Norfolk Island Yours Roger & Dianne 25 Dalton Road, Toowong Brisbane
Name: unhappy visitor
Email: roger_dianne@hotmail.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 08:49:50 PM
To the Management of you Local Airline: Can you honestly believe that visitors would want to come to your Island after the way we have been treated after our luggage did not arrive on the flight with us from Brisbane. I shall be contacting the Australin media on my return,(I understand that they are already aware this miss-managed Island) to warn other visitors of our ridiculous holiday with no luggage. I would suggest that your Government should put someone in place to manage the airline that knows what they are doing. I have been told that our luggagae has been from Brisbane to Sydney to Auckland and will now be sent back to Brisbane to wait for our return home. I would like to know how your Government will reimburse us and the 36 other Brisbane passengers for this JOKE OF A HOLIDAY that we have had to endure with no luggage. (Yes - 38 bags went astray from last Wednesdays Brisbane flight and we are due to return this Wednesday having only our handluggage to get us through the past week.) It would please us if someone here would be kind enough to pass on this letter to your local paper. I shall be giving a copy to the Sydney Morning Herald and also asking for an interview on my return. Thank God we dont have any luggage to worry about on our return trip - thats if the plane comes at all. We really are nice people but enoughs enough Norfolk Island Yours Roger & Dianne 25 Dalton Road, Toowong Brisbane
Name: A-question
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 05:31:40 PM
Reply to Silky so called good men can become greedy money grabbers if the temptation to decieve is strong enough. The smell of money can turn good Christian men to temptation - don't underestimate the situation.
Name: silky
Email: @usa
Country: United States
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 12:45:55 PM
i love grant cardno, he is a good man you all have no one else to bitch about yet
Name: A- Question
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 09:55:44 AM
Watch this space. Local identity named in the case will get his day when they noose the Shilo Church Apostle, the big fish first - then the cunning ones hiding out on pacific island will get their turn - those who do wrong in the financial world will get what is coming to them. Don't be fooled by all the charm.
Name: A Young Norfolk Islander
Email: ayni@hotmail.com.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 08:06:51 AM
Hey Yorlye, I am truly worried sometimes when i read this forum, because all it ever is, is people bitching, bitching about the way Norfolk is being run, bitching about each other and bitching because some idiot didn’t understand the "April Fools" article that was in the paper about Maccas. If Yorlye are truly concerned about something, anything, then take it to your democratically elected Representative's, that’s why they are there. Have your opinions aired and not just on some forum where you can moan, then you wonder why nothing us done about it. Finally, I ask a question to one of many un-educated idiots who live here in Paradise, Because I hope Pot-hole, for your sake, that you got permission to use that McDonald’s logo which was proudly displayed outside your shop, because it would be a same for a photograph of this to be sent to McDonald’s...... Keep Smiling
Name: NI question
Email: @NI
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 05:41:05 AM
so wyy is our beloved Grant named in these articles?
Name: near Driver Rd
Email: @NI
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 09 April 2006
Time: 05:30:33 AM
Here's an article that mentions one of our own celeb$ ! Anyone know about this??>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forestlaketimes.com/2006/April/5Midkiff456.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Posted: 4/5/06 ------Forest Lake Times --- "More legal trouble for Neulan Midkiff"-------------------------------------------More trouble is in the wind this spring for Neulan D. Midkiff, the apostle of Shiloh Church in Forest Lake. After nearly four months of a federal investigation into an alleged bank fraud scheme, Midkiff, 64, is now facing a Texas date in court later this month to face possible contempt of court charges. He is slated to appear in federal district court in Fort Worth, TX on April 25 following a motion filed on March 20 by the Security and Exchange Commission, said Marshall Gandy, an SEC attorney in Texas. The motion accuses Midkiff of civil contempt for his “failure to comply with the Order of Preliminary Injunction and Order Appointing Receiver” entered by the court on Dec. 7, 2005. Midkiff is a central figure in a massive federal investigation into a multi-state and international bank fraud scheme or Ponzi program. Officers of the court, acting on orders from the December ruling, have frozen more than $2 million in cash from Midkiff bank accounts and are attempting to seize and claim assets in an inventory of personal property that includes two homes in Forest Lake, cars, boats and other items. According to the SEC’s motion, Midkiff has failed to turn over assets and records to Hays Consulting of Atlanta, GA, the court-appointed receiver. In addition, Midkiff has interfered with the duties of the receiver by communicating false and misleading information to the defrauded investors regarding the SEC’s civil injunctive action and failing to provide an interim accounting under oath, the motion said.. The SEC also said Midkiff has filed actions outside the receivership court naming SEC staff and fiduciaries and containing documents that purported to be financial instruments drawn on the United States Treasury in the amount of $100 million with instructions to use the funds to settle the SEC’s claims against Midkiff for monetary relief. New allegations The contempt charge that will be heard April 25 follows new allegations and complaints against Midkiff. In a document filed with the court on Feb. 5, Midkiff asked that Marshall Gandy, the SEC attorney, be named fiduciary with authority to use the $100 million to settle claims against Midkiff. That came as news to Gandy, the attorney said. “I have no idea of what the document is about,” Gandy said. “Mr. Midkiff is going to have to explain that to the judge.” Gandy said the motion for contempt follows continued roadblocks by Midkiff in participating with receivers from the Hays office in Atlanta. Along with refusal to provide information and records, the SEC filing also presents documentation that Midkiff sold a secured motor home to PleasureLand RV Center in Ramsey for $51,000. That sale allegedly took place on Dec. 12, 2005, five days after the court had frozen all of Midkiff’s assets, SEC records show. “That is just unacceptable,” Gandy said. “The other defendants have cooperated.” The actions, he said, will be part and parcel of an ongoing probe by other federal agencies that include the FBI, U.S. Marshal’s Office and Postal Service Inspector’s Office. No determination has been announced on any criminal charges against any of the defendants and such action would likely involve a federal grand jury, Gandy said. S. Greg Hays and Mark King of Hays Consulting, both expressed frustration this week with the lack of progress in working with Midkiff. King, the investigator who has been to Minnesota multiple times in attempts to secure assets, said he believed the Midkiff plan to involve the treasury department was bogus. “They (the SEC) would have taken that offer in a heart beat if it was true,” King said. “There is nothing to it,” Hays said from Atlanta last week. “It’s just a piece of paper. He (Midkiff) hasn’t cooperated at all.” Background The alleged Ponzi scheme hit the legal system on Dec. 7 of last year when the SEC filed an emergency action in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Texas seeking permanent injunctions, disgorgements plus prejudgment interest and civil money against Travis E. Correll of Atlanta, individually and doing business as Horizon Establishment, and his companies, The Net Worth Group, Inc. and Travis Correll & Company, Inc. The order also named Gregory Thompson of San Antonio, TX and his TNT Office Supply, Dwight J. Johnson of Garland, TX, Harry Robinson “Robbie” Gowdey of Frisco, TX and his Atlas and Jerico Productions, Grant Cardno of Norfolk Island, a territory of Australia, and his entities, the Liberty Establishment, Inc. and Sovereign Capital Investments, and also Neulan D. Midkiff of Forest Lake and his entity, Joshua Tree Group LLC. The court order charges that the defendants were engaged in an ongoing fraudulent high-yield investment scheme by which they raised approximately $36 million since July 2004. The court granted a temporary restraining order, asset freeze and other emergency relief against defendants Correll, Thompson, Johnson, Gowdey, Midkiff and their companies or entities. In its complaint, the SEC alleged that the defendants offered interests in putported foreign and international bank deposit programs promising four to 12 percent monthly returns without risk to their investment principal. In reality, according to the complaint, the bank deposit program does not exist and none of the investors’ funds were invested. Instead, the SEC said, all of the investor funds were commingled among various Correll-controlled accounts and used to make Ponzi payments to investors, run the business operations of the defendants or misappropriated by the defendants. No cooperation Court records filed in Fort Worth on March 20 point to a lack of cooperation on Midkiff’s part. In a declaration filed with the court, King said Midkiff has refused to provide the receiver with “an accounting of his assets or to turn over or account for the existence of many business records, insurance policies, computers and computer files, passwords and identifying information and other information related to the receiver estate.” King declared that he had made numerous attempts to see Midkiff in person or communicate by phone and was denied entrance to the Midkiff home on Hilo Lane on most visits or did not have messages returned. On one occasion, Dec. 15, 2005, King said he was allowed to enter the home to take photos and to inventory Midkiff’s possession. On that day, King said, he was accompanied by a U.S. marshal. King has documented attempts to claim assets in the home on Hilo and a second Midkiff home on SE Bay Drive. As of the March 20 court filing, Midkiff had not turned over control of the home at 7580 Hilo Lane N. to the receiver. According to court documents, Midkiff purchased the Hilo Lane home on a contract for deed from Fred and Sandy Dewall for $1.3 million. In the declaration, King states that Midkiff is believed to have used $400,000 in bank deposit proceeds as part of the purchase. The Dewalls, who have received no payments from Midkiff on the $935,000 balance since last November, have commenced foreclosure steps. Hays and the Dewalls are negotiating a settlement that would result in a payment of assets from the home to the receiver. An interim report filed by Hays with the court in January said records recovered in Atlanta by the receiver indicate some $153 million in principal investment was owed to investors. Records this winter also said that over the course of the bank offering the total investment in the bank deposit program may exceed $390 million. The figure, which is 10 times the amount stated by the SEC in its December action, includes rollover and reinvestment of principal. Under the alleged fraud, the offering is a purported “high yield investment.” Court records indicate investors were enticed to invest in the bank deposit program by promises of high monthly interest payments and no risk to the principal investment. Investors were told their principal was being used to fund international loans and financial transactions, that the money involved was being managed by someone having special expertise and that their principal investment was safe and secure, according to court documents. By September of last year, payments stopped, apparently for lack of funds. The January report filed by Hays listed more than 1700 investors in 40 states, many of which had multiple individuals making up a group or team of investors. At least 300 Minnesota investors, many from the Forest Lake area, have been identified by the receiver. Friday, March 31 was the receiver’s deadline for filing names of investors that was required in order for an investor to be in line for any refund from a principal investment that may result from the SEC action.
Name: ClarificationPlease
Email: ClarificationPlease
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 10:22:48 PM
MaxineMathews - when you say "I am proud of my family who have put their hand up in an attemt to constructively salvage and protect our future." are you talking about Norfolk or your own family interests?
Name: Maxine Mathews
Email: maxine@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 07:04:33 PM
Michael, As well as the husband, father and brother that you mentioned, I also have/had 4 generations of grandparents, mother, 11 uncles and aunts, 35 first cousins and lost count with 2nd and 3rd cousins. If you want to start talking nepotism well I could'nt breathe on Norfolk. I also have 2 children training off shore, who I hope One day, like my grandparents, parents, brother, husband and myself will bring back their skills and experience. If you have the expertise or the answers,please tell us here and now or hurry back and show us. You are now informed as to my family so who is yours? and just because they are family ,are you insinuating that decisions are based on this connection and not on common sense and practicalities. Norfolk is more than my past and history, it is our life absolutely and totally for all who live here. I am proud of my family who have put their hand up in an attemt to constructively salvage and protect our future.
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 03:53:42 PM
Get the picture yorlye, Steven Mathews is the brother inlaw of Neville Christian MP family of the late Sid Christian. Keeping it in house for sure nepatism is raising its ugly head.
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 03:47:20 PM
What family es Mr. Mathews married into? He must be es married to a local - dars et?
Name: Acting Resident
Email: taxpayer@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 01:24:52 PM
The Acting CEO of Administration of Norfolk Island is Steven Mathews.
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 09:38:10 AM
Why isn't anyone naming the acting CEO, yorlye se frightened fe dem. Owa sullen over ya ca think whose et.
Name: CdemGo
Email: Nowhere@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 08 April 2006
Time: 07:33:40 AM
The qualifications of the current CEO has to much that of assembly! They have to have ostrich feathers and be one eyed! Bring your own bucket and spade!!!
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 07 April 2006
Time: 06:16:57 PM
Not smart ChaWha, no place for you on this forum. A simple question was asked so answer it if you have the brains to do so.
Name: CahWah
Email: @someside
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 07 April 2006
Time: 05:35:16 PM
The way yorley carryin on anyone would think the CAO was William Bligh
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 07 April 2006
Time: 05:15:24 PM
Just who is this acting CEO who is getting away with plenty?????
Name: I_Agree
Email: I_Agree
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 07 April 2006
Time: 07:22:39 AM
cmonAdmintellthetruth - I doubt the ceo will be splitting his pay cheque considering he got a $6000 pay rise while the rest of admin and NI are struggling. Something else "dem tull" - the ceo's old job in computers is on hold until he finishes being the ceo - why isn't he on permanent contract like the previous ceo's? what makes him so special?
Name: to michael
Email: unemployable@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 06 April 2006
Time: 12:49:18 PM
because they will use their local status to osterecsize you from the community..........jobs for the boys!
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 06 April 2006
Time: 10:58:23 AM
Why is it that everyone seems reluctant to stand up to the powers to be down a town? They are public servants and therefore they are answerable to the public!!!
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 06 April 2006
Time: 10:57:54 AM
Why is it that everyone seems reluctant to stand up to the powers to be down down? They are public servants and therefore they are answerable to the public!!!
Name: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 06 April 2006
Time: 08:02:25 AM
Michael - because the powers that be down at admin don't listen to anybody who has a different view to their own. Yes there is a recruitment freeze on at admin, there apparently has been since the middle of 2005 but that hasn't stopped Admin employing people when it suits them, or ignoring the rules completely with regards to recruitment, depending on who the person is who they want to get the job - take the "acting" ceo for example, this person has now been in the position for OVER 12 months instead of the maximum 6 as described in the public service management act. You would think that as NI is currently in the shit the NIG would be falling over themselves to get an expert in pulling organisations out of the financial doldrums into the CEO's position to begin sorting their mess out - but instead ronnie puts a mate in! What I would like to know is - is the "acting" ceo still doing tasks normally associated with his old job? and if so, is he being paid at his old rate, or is he being paid for those tasks at the "acting" ceo's rate?
Name: michael
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 05 April 2006
Time: 08:45:59 PM
If you are all so concerned about the latest movements of staff into administration - why aren't you getting out there and protesting about the appointments instead of coming on this forum and telling us about it. You and anyone else who is disgusted at what is going on get down there in mass and demand to be heard. They have a duty to tell the population just what they are up to.
Name: why do we still beleive their bullshit?
Email: flogging_a_dead_horse@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 April 2006
Time: 04:08:23 PM
but didnt our fearles leader just announch a recruitment freeze??????????????????
Name: scratch my back
Email: gurrett.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 05 April 2006
Time: 02:48:26 PM
Can someone please tell us why Admin are taking people out of their jobs in the private sector to work in Admin - PLUS giving jobs to people who have returned to the island yet there are heaps of suitable people on the employment register? No wonder lots of us in the community get the poops with dem down the town. At least with Ozzie coming in this sort of nepotism will probably stop.
Name: Hey Why work at Micky D's
Email: .net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 05 April 2006
Time: 01:42:52 AM
Why work at McDonalds, when one can put their savings into a European Bank Debenture fund and earn between 8 and 12 % every month, risk free !! And this is for real,, not a Ponzi deal, the government doesn't want people to know about these deals!! Grant me the opportunity to introduce you to the program !! I hear NI is the place to move for retiring on other people's money !
Name: Marty
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 04 April 2006
Time: 06:14:22 PM
Hey guys maybe putting a McDonalds over there just might be a winner. You could have Norfolk Pines shaped into a Big M, just like the NI pines that used to be at the Airport. What a tourist attraction that would be. When all your youth are out of work, there will jobs there for them.
Name: to whi is this so
Email: @@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 04 April 2006
Time: 01:50:48 AM
mcdonalds, scam artists, the grants of the world, ....there goes the neighborhood !! sadly norfolk island has an international reputation for being a haven for scam artists to hide out on, ex minister conmen also
Name: why is this so
Email: offtherock.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 11:04:14 PM
Dear Chickpea, Owning a house does not give residency. Spending most of your time off Island does not mean living there. Contributing to the community....I think we might leave that alone. My world is the real one I am quite happy with that thanks. You have a nice day now
Name: Richi
Email: Richi@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 09:43:53 PM
Lets all look on the bright side of life What a great April 1 Joke about Maccas on Norfolk Hope It brought plenty of smiles on faces on Saturday. Why not get rid of the dead wood in your Parliment and ellect some new blood who have an honest interest in Norfolk and not in themselves as it appears to be at present.Look what the Australian government is doing to Australia.
Name: suz and jules
Email: nothardtofindout@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 12:45:21 PM
apoligies to any april fools out there if you took offence to our maccas prank on the weekend.........it was designed in good humour and we reckon norfolk could really use a bit of that at the moment.........most though it a cracker!!!!!! but to the serious folk , do you really think after spending half a million bucks on a franchise and the same again on setting it up ,that a maccas would be such a profitable venture here ,given our limited visitor capacity? probably not so i dont think we need to worry too much .....keep smiling :-)
Name: D. Stevens
Email: clenstev@dodo.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 12:26:03 PM
Sorry about the errors......here we go again.......Norfolk Islanders DO NOT allow Australia to run your affairs. Look at what damage they have done to us over here and continue to do so. DO NOT allow them to take your Immigration. Look at what damage they have done with Australian Immigration. Allowing terrorists to enter, apply for and be granted citizenship. Can you imagine any of us wanting to just move to Iraq, India, Iran etc??? They would kill us at point blank. But Johnnie Boy has to earn stars and stripes [pardon the pun] by letting all walks of life enter here and stuff everything up. Stick by your guns and if it means another Mutiny - then so be it. DO NOT allow Aussie to bugger you up like they have done here. Stick together and you'll be right. You would be amazed just how many of us over here are concerned for you all. I have lived and worked on Norfolk Island [years ago] and what you have is unique which is why Australia is trying to get their hands on you – to stuff you up. You don’t need money from here – you all might just have to work a bit harder to get your independence back. YOU CAN DO IT NORFOLK. Keep Australia O U T. Have another Mutiny and make history even more. Go get ‘em. I am Australian born and bred and sometimes I wish I wasn’t as I am quite often ashamed at our Government. Our hearts are out with you all.
Name: D. Stevens
Email: clenstev@dodo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 12:23:29 PM
Norfolk Islanders DO NOT allow Australia to run your affairs. Look at what damage they have done to us over here and continue to do so. DON NOT allow them to take your Immigration. Look at what damage they have done with Australian Immigration. Allowing terrorists to enter, apply for and be granted citizenship. Can you imagine any of us wanting to just move to Iraq, India, Iran etc??? They would kill us at point blank. But Johnnie Boy has to earn stars and stripes [pardon the pun] by letting all walks of life enter here and stuff everything up. Stick by your gins and if it means another Mutiny - then so be it. DO NOT allow Aussie to bugger you up like they have done here. Stick together and you'll be right. You would be amazed just how many of us over here are concerned for you all. I have lived and worked on Norfolk Island [years ago] and what you have is unique which is why Australia is trying to get their hands on you – to stuff you up. You don’t need money from here – you all might just have to work a bit harder to get your independence back. YOU CAN DO IT NORFOLK. Keep Australia O U T. Have another Mutiny and make history even more. Go get ‘em. I am Australian born and bred and sometimes I wish I wasn’t as I am quite often ashamed at our Government. Our hearts are out with you all.
Name: BIG MAC WITH FRIES
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 12:02:58 PM
To Ronald McDonald. Being a tourist to your island and only reading the paper once, that was a real 'dumb reply' being called a Dumb Arse. Sorry to get your ATTITUDE level rising.
Name: Ronald Mcdonald
Email: Maccas@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 09:50:42 AM
What a dumb ass you are Big Mac with fries. Took the bait hook line and sinker, you April fool.
Name: not_so_funny
Email: norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 09:09:08 AM
Apparently it was an April Fools Day joke. Norfolk Island will not be getting Macca's here. WE DON"T WANT THEM for a start.
Name: BIG MAC WITH FRIES
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 08:30:22 AM
I have just read the NI paper and was astounded that a McDonalds will be hitting the Island next year. As Derryn Hinch would say 'SHAME' SHAME' SHAME'or maybe the great words of Pauline Hanson "PLEASE EXPLAIN'. Obesity is on the way with this crap food!!!!
Name: Descendant
Email: goodstuff.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 03 April 2006
Time: 07:34:56 AM
Norfolk Island, an Australian territory and part of the British Commonwealth, is nearing bankruptcy but wants no interference from the homeland. The tiny island 1,240 miles from Canberra was discovered by Capt. James Cook in 1774 and became a prison colony under the British. It was later resettled by descendants of the Bounty mutineers and their Tahitian wives when Pitcairn Island had grown too small. Since then, a nine-member elected legislative assembly has ruled 2,000 residents, with power to pass laws on everything except coinage, defense and euthanasia, The Scotsman newspaper reported. The island's economy has been suffering from its over-reliance on tourism, which collapsed with a charter airline company. "I do not think they understand the damage that moving in here and making us dependent on them would cause to the lifeblood of this community," Mary Christian Bailey told the Scotsman. Bailey's husband traces his lineage to Fletcher Christian, who led a mutiny against Capt. William Bligh in 1789.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 02 April 2006
Time: 04:48:18 PM
very simple 'why is this so', is that grant cardno lives here has a home here and contributes to the community . there is a big wide world out there for you
Name: It's a joke
Email: ontherock.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 02 April 2006
Time: 04:45:25 PM
Well said "why is this so". You have hit the nail on the head and the same can be said for heaps of others who have slotted into our community - [I refer to one particular magistrate]who come here and reap all the benefits that at time OUR OWN PEOPLE cannot get. A bloody joke really. Take the hoons for another example - half of them are imports that are just a damn menace and hindrance and if I were their parent - I would hang my head in shame. That jerk who drives the yellow starlet - JT and his mates should really try to grow up, get a life and act your ages. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes should any of you be responsible for killing anyone. Quite obviously NONE OF YOU can remember what happened a few years ago. Oh and by the way if we have / need so many cops here, then why aren't they on duty 24/7 in particular around 2am in the morning when the hoonheads are at their best?? Isn't this what they are getting well paid to do?? or is it they too are waiting to shut the gate after the horse has bolted??
Name: why is this so
Email: offtherock.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 02 April 2006
Time: 02:25:08 PM
Could someone please explain WHY Grant Cardno is listed as being from Norfolk ? I don't recall him being granted residency and if he is not living in Norfolk maybe someone in the know should tell authorities in the states that this is not his place of residence.There is enough negative info about us without him being an albatross around our necks
Name: article in the SEC News Digest
Email: @uk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 April 2006
Time: 12:48:11 PM
SEC News Digest Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3/22/2006 ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS SEC MOVES FOR CONTEMPT AGAINST PRIME-BANK DEFENDANT On March 20, the Commission filed a motion for an order to show cause and order holding Neulan D. Midkiff in civil contempt for his failure to comply with the Order of Preliminary Injunction and Order Appointing Receiver entered by the Court in December 2005. According to the SEC's motion, Midkiff has failed to turn over assets and records to the court-appointed receiver. In addition, Midkiff has interfered with the duties of the receiver by communicating false and misleading information to the defrauded investors regarding the SEC's civil injunctive action and failing to provide an interim accounting under oath. Finally, Midkiff has filed actions outside the receivership court naming SEC staff as fiduciaries and containing documents that purport to be financial instruments drawn on the United States Treasury in the amount of $100 million with instructions to use the funds to settle the Commission's claims for monetary relief. On Dec. 7, 2005, the SEC filed an emergency action in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas seeking permanent injunctions, disgorgement plus prejudgment interest and civil money penalties against Travis E. Correll of Atlanta, individually and d/b/a Horizon Establishment, and his companies The Net Worth Group, Inc. (Net Worth Group) and Travis Correll & Company, Inc. (TC&Co.), Gregory Thompson of San Antonio and his company TNT Office Supply, Inc., (TNT) Dwight J. Johnson of Garland, Texas, Harry Robinson "Robbie" Gowdey of Frisco, Texas, individually and d/b/a Atlas and Jericho Productions, Grant Cardno of Norfolk Island, a territory of Australia and his entities, The Liberty Establishment, Inc. (Liberty) and Sovereign Capital Investments, S.A. (Sovereign), Neulan D. Midkiff of Forest Lake, Minnesota and his entity, Joshua Tree Group LLC (Joshua Tree), charging that the defendants were engaged in an ongoing fraudulent high yield investment scheme by which they raised approximately $36 million since July 2004. The Court granted a temporary restraining order, asset freeze and other emergency relief against defendants Correll, TC&Co., Net Worth Group, Thompson, TNT, Johnson, Gowdey, Midkiff and Joshua Tree. In its complaint, the Commission alleged that the defendants offered interests in purported foreign and international bank deposit programs (collectively Bank Deposit programs) promising four to 12 percent monthly returns without risk to their investment principal. In reality, according to the complaint, the Bank Deposit program does not exist and none of the investors' funds invested. Instead, all of the investor funds were commingled among various Correll-controlled accounts, and used to make Ponzi payments to investors, run the business operations of the defendants or misappropriated by the defendants. [SEC v. Travis E. Correll, individually and d/b/a Horizon Establishment, Gregory Thompson, Dwight J. Johnson, Harry Robinson "Robbie" Gowdey, individually and d/b/a Atlas and Jericho Productions, Grant Cardno, Neulan D. Midkiff, Travis Correll & Company, Inc., The Liberty Establishment, Inc., Sovereign Capital Investments, S.A., TNT Office Supply, Inc., The Net Worth Group, Inc. and Joshua Tree Group LLC, Defendants, and Banner Shield, LLC, Hospitality Management Group, Inc., Creative Wealth Ventures, LLC and JTA Enterprises, Relief Defendants, Civil Action No. 4:05CV472, USDC; Eastern District of Texas; Sherman Division)] (LR-19620) SEC SETTLES WITH MICHAEL MORRELL AND JOHN HAINES, FORMER OFFICERS OF CYBERCARE, INC., AND PAUL BORNSTEIN, A FORMER OUTSIDE ANALYST The Commission announced that on March 16 the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida entered final judgments of permanent injunctions against Michael Morrell, John Haines, and Paul Bornstein. Morrell and Haines consented to the entry of an injunction against future violations of Section 17(a) of the Securities Act of 1933, Sections 10(b) and 13(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and Rules 10b-5, 12b-20, and 13a-1 thereunder. In addition, the final judgments order Morrell to pay a $110,000 civil penalty, Haines to pay a $55,000 civil penalty, and bars Morrell from acting as an officer or director. Haines' final judgment prohibits him from acting as an officer or director for five years. Bornstein consented to the entry of an injunction against future violations of Sections 17(a) and 17(b) of the Securities Act and Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act and Rule 10b-5 thereunder. In addition, Bornstein must pay a $55,000 civil penalty. [SEC v. Michael Morrell, et al., Case No. 04-80664-CIV-MARRA (S.D. Fla.)] (LR-19621)
Name: Cherry or Grant, must copy and paste
Email: @uk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 April 2006
Time: 11:58:38 AM
you may need to copy and past this link for it to pass through -------------- --------- http://www.haysconsulting.net./correllhorizon/03-20-06%20Exhibit%20E.pdf
Name: to Cherry and/or Grant
Email: @uk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 02 April 2006
Time: 11:55:20 AM
Cherry, take a view at the below web link, it appears that one of the scamsters in the Ponzi case has attempted to tender some sort of financial instrument to pay off the SEC in America with an amount of 100 million US dollars. Does this make any sense to anyone, Does Grant understand what this means /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// http://www.haysconsulting.net./correllhorizon/03-20-06%20Exhibit%20E.pdf
Name: Wondering
Email: wonder.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 01 April 2006
Time: 02:25:50 PM
Nor Larnen - mind your p's & q's. Only you made mention of the manager. Isn't it funny how those who think they know - actually know nothing. I hope you work out what I mean.
Name: Traveller
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 01 April 2006
Time: 12:39:16 PM
Have just browsed your Government website and note in the Government section they have noted "bills to be parsed" seems they had better get someone who can spell updating the website or at least get someone to check things before it goes online.
Name: Traveller
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 01 April 2006
Time: 12:31:20 PM
Why don't your Tourist Bureau use Norfolk Islanders who are presently living in Sydney to come along and promote your island. Use some who can speak the language are well presented and who can tell of your way of life over there and the history and many other aspects of Norfolk's cultural background. True Norfolk Islanders should be promoting Norfolk, not these Aussie blow ins who think they know but really they no nil about anything only getting their pay packet at the end of the day.
Name: Concerned
Email: concerned@ni
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 01 April 2006
Time: 11:42:39 AM
Dear Traveller, It is very disappointing when Norfolk Island given our current situation is desperate to keep up our tourist numbers, and yet when you have a chance to sell the destination as a whole you have people on the stand that have little to no knowledge of this wonderful Island. The saddest thing is that there are people willing to help out on the stand, who live on Norfolk Island and would very much like to see the planes full again with tourists, yet the Tourist Board seems to think that they can handle things with out any help from those who really know and love the destination, to them it is better to be seen as doing this fantastic job in their own little boys club then to get willing helpers involved. Maybe one day something will be done, the shows USED to be great when Tania was doing them, she would always welcome help from others to promote Norfolk Island.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 01 April 2006
Time: 11:20:24 AM
Thanks Ucklun, I certainly got plenty of opinions on your politics whilst there from right accross the board. From the genuine Islanders I certainly found none of the Anti-Australia attitudes that are common on this forum. In fact all the real Islanders I talked with are well aware of the situation they are in and what has to be done to rectify it. They seem quite capable of working this through from what I heard. Just wish them all the best with it. Norfolk will survive this and come out the other end an even better place if thats possible.
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 01 April 2006
Time: 05:01:51 AM
Graeme - so glad you enjoyed your time with us... Especially when Wati was around.... Great "sam can now sing a song" of Praise for Norfolk.... Must admit, I was a bit apprehensive you'll come and get embroiled in our politics and not see the beauty our Island presents....... The weather still hasnt settled properly, but they were able to work the ship this week and we all praying for more rain...... Cheers & let sam sing that song man...
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 31 March 2006
Time: 11:05:57 PM
Just back from our visit to your beautiful island and was lucky enough to score a couple of bonus days courtesy of cyclone "Wati". What a fantastic 10 days it was - so much natural beauty and history, and the islanders were so friendly and helpful. Just want to say a very big Thank You to all the Norfolk Islanders that made our visit something we will always remember. And we will certainly be back. No need for "Rose Coloured Glasses" to appreciate your island.
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 31 March 2006
Time: 07:56:52 PM
Wondering, Might I suggest a call to the manager to verify the facts instead of publicly slandering him and others in here? Postings such as these really are in bad taste.
Name: Booking for Norfolk Island with ease
Email: me
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Friday, 31 March 2006
Time: 06:40:22 PM
I found this site to be of much help when we booked only a month ago.......BTW we had great time.Will return. http://aaanorfolkisland.nf/
Name: ipineforNorfolk
Email: ipineforNorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 31 March 2006
Time: 03:03:04 PM
I have been for ages now talking everyone I know into visiting Norfolk. In the last few weeks people I know are being told different things about how to get there. One lot of friends were told by their travel agent that there are no planes going there and did'nt even offer an alternative such as going via Brisbane, Sydney, New Zealand or anywhere else. They were aiming to come just before the celebrations in April. Can anyone advise Please?
Name: Wondering
Email: wonder.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 31 March 2006
Time: 05:23:18 AM
We have recently returned to Norfolk and were sad to here that Connie is no longer on Sunday radio and that she was forced to walk out by the manager and a couple of the other staff. We have also heard that all relevant managers have done NOTHING in trying to find out what really happened or to try and encourage Connie back to radio. We miss Connie as she had a great presentation and was very professional as well. Those concerned should be ashamed of what has happened and through this incident, we will not sponsor with radio again besides, the person doing the sponsorship now couldn't even sell ice to Eskimos!! Connie - you are sorely missed.
Name: Brendan
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 30 March 2006
Time: 10:28:13 PM
Hey yorlye whats happening on Norfolk these days? I was over there 6 years ago and loved it. I heard things are not too good these days and the Government under threat from Australian Government. What's the arrangements with the airlines at present. I was thinking of coming back but not too sure of trusting an aircraft belonging to Air Nauru or should I say the Taiwan Government.
Name: Cherry
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 30 March 2006
Time: 12:00:05 PM
No I was not one of the people who has lost money through this group, but very interested in the case as to all the members of religious groups involved. Makes one be suspicious of these evangelistic type religions and the money hungry types who are the so called prophets running them. There needs to be an extensive investigation into their activities and those who are living well off their flock.
Name: Again , to Cherry
Email: UK@
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Thursday, 30 March 2006
Time: 12:45:34 AM
Cherry, all this is quiet interesting, may I ask how you know about this group? Were you taken for money like over 1400 others? I read in an article that the original $36 million estimate is now up to $390 million !! And weren't some of these people on ministry staff in the U.S. one a "Campus Crusade for Christ" group?
Name: Cherry
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 29 March 2006
Time: 09:51:05 AM
In reply to last post on the forum, yes this is the guy, very interesting reading, another crook along with the rest of them.
Name: To Cherry
Email: UK@
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 29 March 2006
Time: 12:38:46 AM
Cherry, is this the same person mentioned by you in an earlier post?? See in the third article down at this web page, http://www.dmagazine.com//article.asp?articleid=1058
Name: NIDS
Email: enquire@nids.com.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 March 2006
Time: 12:46:02 PM
To access @norfolk.nf emails whilst on Norfolk and off island is: www.webmail.nf User = your email address WITHOUT @norfolk.nf after it.
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 27 March 2006
Time: 08:56:26 PM
to emails - yeah you can check out your emails whilst off Island. See NIDS - they have site called webmail... All you need is your user name and password - oh an of course a computer.....
Name: Leah
Email: devoted_glow@yahoo.com.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 27 March 2006
Time: 04:00:03 PM
Name: Roxanne Email: @norfolk Country: Norfolk Island Date: Friday, 24 February 2006 Time: 08:53:07 AM Comments I have to ask a question to the readers & writers to this forum. Does anyone see what is happening to the rest of the world? Australians are experiencing floods, bushfires & heat waves, loss of employment & in spite of the fact Auatralia has spent $80 million on an advertising campaign Tourist numbers are the lowest ever! I grew up on the east coast of Australia & was amazed at how much the whole coast now depends on the tourist dollar. World wide there are natural disasters happening consistantly landslides. extreme temperatures, cyclones, etc..most resulting in an enormous loss of life & affecting the worlds economy. There are the terrorist attacks..shall I go on?! Then we have Norfolk..hmmm..not much wrong here in comparison! The only difference I can see is the rest of the world is not sitting back, they are getting on with it. Norfolk... it is time to "get on with it"! Those of you with 2 or more Government jobs throw the extras into the ring for others needing work! Except pay cuts, introduce rosters to ellimate over-time, intoduce part-time work, introduce work for welfare. cut expenses at home....lets's face it.."How much is enough". I really can't see that Norfolk has that much to complain about! Roxanne, This is our way of life, Norfolk Islanders, no matter what anyone says, we are hard workers. We can have as many jobs as we want!! And if we do a good job, we'll keep it!! Why give (No Offence) TEP's a job, when we could have it ourselves?? We want money too, and we can work as hard as we want to get it!!
Name: Leah
Email: devoted_glow@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 27 March 2006
Time: 03:51:48 PM
You know what I dont understand is if you have a password onto the forum, how can people from the "UNITED STATES" access the forum?
Name: ragin cajun
Email: doghunter1313Earthlink.net
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 27 March 2006
Time: 01:41:24 PM
replying to the so called scam,I was in it for four years.I don't believe it was a scam. some problems and delays,but overall it was very good to me.N. Midkiff has tried to pay to the sec 100 million dollars,but the sec wants to throw him in jail because he didn't go thru the receiver for the sec.It appeaes to me that the lawyers and judges don't want to settle this case because they are going to get rich off of it with our money.
Name: jes wondering
Email: medals@games
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 27 March 2006
Time: 12:12:46 PM
Does anyone know if Norfolk won any medals at the Commonwealth Games?
Name: emails
Email: email@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 27 March 2006
Time: 11:02:38 AM
Is there a way we can check out @norfolk.nf emails when we are off island?
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 26 March 2006
Time: 03:46:30 AM
Thanks Greg Davey - So far no real damage sustained - that Im aware. Got some VERY VERY welcome rain - a bit blowy, flight disruptions - but right now just a bit windy and scattered cloud - moon is shining and looks like our rain is gone - Thanks for your concern - Today, Sunday, is suppose to be our worst of Wati - but hopefully we have seen the worst of it. Not like the poor souls in Far North Queensland. More rain would be GR8... Cheers Greg....
Name: Greg Davey
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 25 March 2006
Time: 10:00:20 PM
Hi How is Norfolk coping with the severe weather. Hope all is okay, I read where Cyclone Wati was heading your way passing between Norfolk & Lord Howe did you escape any damage?
Name: Aussie Jim
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 05:14:16 PM
Great to read of Boonie's comments on the Norfolk situation in the SMH latest rundown by Daniel Lewis, well done Boonie you se tell it as it is, now for everyone to support those views would be good maybe then progress can be made.
Name: Priceless Voting
Email: hereto@ni
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 04:30:17 PM
Just reading my last post...and need to amend to say "It is time that the Government of the day start talking to the Commonwealth Governent on sustaing Norfolk Island, (not ourselves)" The depth of the manure we are in is too deep for our own good...we need some heavy pulling to pull us out...!
Name: Priceless voting
Email: Hereto@ni
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 04:23:45 PM
Not everyone voted these persons in! It has to be said that whilst there is good and bad on both sides of the fence, the Government of the day has to take responsibility for their actions. Why does the finance Minister suddenly not know of a pay rise, that was given (and defended in a meeting with PS personel by the Act CEO???)mentioned in a meeting with all the PS and then could did not know of such a raise in a MLA meeting? There are so many questions and very few answers, unless one has a crystal ball, no one can state 100% that we can sustain ourselves. How many delayed flights does it take to upset travellers? How many complaints from these upset travellers does it take to do us harm? How many people do these people talk to? The Government of the day only has one option and that is to start talking to the Commonwealth, not about our method of sustainability, but how we are going to work with them to sustain ourselves...they could not give a hoot about what we could do or could have done...think about it! I do not want these changes as much as the next person...but we have to take the hard pill and start taking steps forwards not backwards. Given the performance of the current NI Government, I have lost great faith in our own sustainability!
Name: Aussie Jim
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 11:59:14 AM
Who is the acting CEO of Admin?
Name: need new blood running this show
Email: your-just-a-five-minuter-what-would-you-know
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 09:59:44 AM
the chain of command starts at the MLAs ,not the voters as the voting system here can be conceived as quite corrupt........to prove my point go down to admin and try to put in a complaint or ask for change to a system or even an explanation........an exhausting exercise where you are made to feel like an ostrocised idiot.....time better spent playing golf!!!!!!
Name: need new blood running this show
Email: your-just-a-five-minuter-what-would-you-know
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 09:59:34 AM
the chain of command starts at the MLAs ,not the voters as the voting system here can be conceived as quite corrupt........to prove my point go down to admin and try to put in a complaint or ask for change to a system or even an explanation........an exhausting exercise where you are made to feel like an ostrocised idiot.....time better spent playing golf!!!!!!
Name: need new blood running this show
Email: your-just-a-five-minuter-what-would-you-know
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 09:58:52 AM
the chain of command starts at the MLAs ,not the voters as the voting system here can be conceived as quite corrupt........to prove my point go down to admin and try to put in a complaint or ask for change to a system or even an explanation........an exhausting exercise where you are made to feel like an ostrocised idiot.....time better spent playing golf!!!!!!
Name: need new blood running this show
Email: your-just-a-five-minuter-what-would-you-know
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 09:58:40 AM
the chain of command starts at the MLAs ,not the voters as the voting system here can be conceived as quite corrupt........to prove my point go down to admin and try to put in a complaint or ask for change to a system or even an explanation........an exhausting exercise where you are made to feel like an ostrocised idiot.....time better spent playing golf!!!!!!
Name: Jeepus
Email: None
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 07:23:47 AM
Why is it the MLA's fault? We voted them in there. We should stop throwing the blame, accept responsibility and get on with the problem at hand.
Name: Aussie Jim
Email: @au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 March 2006
Time: 12:13:04 AM
Latest episode in todays Sydney Morning Herald by Daniel Lewis "Norfolk: Alone, defiant, broke" never thought I'd ever be reading this about Norfolk Island, MLA members past & present - shame ..shame... shame, yorlye se stuff up big time!!!
Name: Aussie Jim
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 March 2006
Time: 09:45:00 PM
Will someone enlighten us who is this person acting CEO given a free ride in the job?
Name: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 March 2006
Time: 09:12:39 PM
Anybody notice that the finance minister has been silent regarding the question of the ACTING ceo's pay rise? He was asked the question in a MLA sitting, claimed no knowledge despite letters to the contrary from the Public Service Association in the norfolk islander and members of the public writing to the same publication claiming knowledge of the decision, there have been at least two further MLA sittings in which he would have been able to answer the question put to him yet as far as I am aware he hasn't. For those who aren't aware of the story, there is a pay and hire freeze on the public service in an effort to help cut costs and save money considering there is a drastic shortage of money in government coffers, yet the ACTING ceo managed to a) get the job without it being advertised, or interviews held, b)the ACTING ceo managed to get a further 6 months in the top job despite legislation that was supposed to prevent anybody being acting in the ceo's position for more than 6 months, c)get a pay rise apparently worth $6000 a year while telling the rest of admin they can't even earn overtime in an effort to cut costs. Perhaps the Finance minister could explain these points and the apparent discrepancies with the recruitment requirements AS LAID OUT IN LEGISLATION? For example: the PUBLIC SECTOR MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL 2005 states (Capitals my emphasis): "Appointment of Chief Executive Officer – amendment of section 38 4. For sub-section 38(2) of the principal Act substitute — “ (2) THE EXECUTIVE MEMBER MUST, BEFORE APPOINTING A PERSON in accordance with subsection (1) (a) ARRANGE FOR A RECRUITMENT AND SELECTION PROCESS TO BE UNDERTAKEN BY AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY SPECIALISING IN RECRUITMENT OF MANAGERIAL STAFF FOR GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT POSITIONS WHO SHALL BE REQUIRED TO SELECT FOR THE EXECUTIVE MEMBER AT LEAST 3 APPLICANTS RANKED ACCORDING TO THEIR SUITABILITY FOR THE POSITION HAVING REGARD TO ALL OF THE SELECTION CRITERIA; and (b) arrange that, upon receipt of the recommendation of the agency, THE 3 APPLICANTS SO CHOSEN SHALL BE INTERVIEWED BY ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY ACTING AS AN ADVISORY PANEL (other than those who may have a conflict of interest or who are not present on Norfolk Island).(2A) The appointment of the Chief Executive Officer under subsection (1) may not be appealed against." ****ALSO PLEASE NOTE THAT THE SELECTION CRITERIA FOR THE CEO'S JOB IS AS FOLLOWS (TAKEN FROM WWW.INFO.GOV.NF, Capitals my emphasis): “Essential · DEMONSTRATED EXPERIENCE AND PROVEN ABILITY to show leadership and successfully manage a medium sized public sector organisation with diverse functional areas of responsibility and multi-disciplinary teams.· Sound understanding of the range and scope of governance issues associated with a public sector agency and ability to work within and create new legislative frameworks, including understanding of the range and scope of governance issues and processes applicable to Norfolk Island. · A well-developed understanding of finance and accounting procedures, including budget development and forecasting, capital replacement and acquisition methods, and strategic financial planning.Highly developed interpersonal skills including negotiation and conflict- resolution skills. Ability to establish rapport with a range of people and to operate within a political environment. DEMONSTRATED EXPERIENCE IN CORPORATE PLANNING and the ability to translate objectives into realistic and innovative business plans and to put in place accountability systems to manage the implementation of these plans throughout the Administration.A sensitivity to community standards and expectations and a significant commitment to the betterment of the Island and the well-being of its residents.A demonstrated understanding of and commitment to Equal Employment Opportunity principles and practices. FORMAL QUALIFICATIONS IN FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION OR A RELATED QUALIFICATION.”
Name: Aussie Jim
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 March 2006
Time: 08:07:13 PM
Has everyone gone to sleep on NI, this Forum is currently in sleep mode. Isn't there anything of interest there to discuss? Awhile since Darls put her pennies worth in, and you other regulars start posting to make it interesting for us overseas people who like to update regularly by popping in to read the posts.
Name: Aussie Jim
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 March 2006
Time: 08:05:37 PM
Has everyone gone to sleep on NI, this Forum is currently in sleep mode. Isn't there anything of interest there to discuss? Awhile since Darls put her pennies worth in, and you other regulars star posting to make it interesting for us overseas people who like to update regularly by popping in to read the posts.
Name: chickpea
Email: @yahoo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 March 2006
Time: 05:33:01 PM
thankyou for correcting my spelling bemused, just goes to show how long its been since that history is relevant, although respected, this is a moving on world.
Name: chickpea
Email: @yahoo.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 March 2006
Time: 05:28:46 PM
Name: Norvell // to On the spot POST
Email: .net
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Wednesday, 22 March 2006
Time: 12:51:46 AM
To ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Onthespot Email: @au Country: Australia Date: Sunday, 19 March 2006 Time: 11:13:50 AM oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Comments In reference to previous post. Why would someone associate and deal with these people in any part of the scam and not be classed as having some involvement? This person went over to the USA in the initial setting up of the scam and is so named as the offshore trader. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I've been reading that these type High Yield Bank Scams are existent all over the world, an international plan.
Name: classified
Email: ditto
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 21 March 2006
Time: 04:26:12 PM
thas right "Gibbsy"
Name: bored
Email: aus@aus.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 21 March 2006
Time: 12:21:00 PM
Methinks the poster "Joe" and the now lost "Grabamoon" are one and the same?? Same verbose writing style and inability to stay with relevant facts!
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 21 March 2006
Time: 11:09:34 AM
great new website: http://fxjax000.cloud.prohosting.com/FXJAX000.htm
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 21 March 2006
Time: 09:18:46 AM
Checkoutchick - I'll break it down real simple for you in pictures ...here's what the mindset of "Gibbsy's" ilk ultimately leads to: http://www.robertfisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm ..... http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm ..... http://vitw.org/cat/experts-on-iraq/robert-fisk/
Name: Bemused
Email: zzz@yyy.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 21 March 2006
Time: 08:34:34 AM
Dear Chickpea, I'd suggest you aren't too fussed about your heritage if you can't even spell Isle of Wight ! Each to their own I guess...
Name: Marnie
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 March 2006
Time: 09:44:12 PM
Remember this : Some of us have great runways already built for us. If you have one - take off! But if you don't have one realize it is your responsibility to grab a shovel & build one for yourself and for those who follow after you.
Name: Checkoutchick
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 March 2006
Time: 12:52:43 PM
Too much information overload Joe ..... we can well do without.
Name: Thought for the day...
Email: thought@daily.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 March 2006
Time: 10:40:16 AM
The tongue that brings healing is a tree of life, but a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit. Proverbs 15:4/NIV
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 March 2006
Time: 10:04:48 AM
chickpea - with respect I think you missed the point of my post; there was no mention whatsoever of either mutiny or breadfruit. I was simply pointing out to International visitors to this Forum in general & American visitors in particular; that whilst "Gibbsy" of the SMH [which considers itself the antipodean analog of The New York Times/The london Times], was labouring over a treatise on how funny & gross the "arse" of an African-American athlete was: African-Americans were being slaughtered in Irag by Iranian-produced IED's [cf. http://tinyurl.com/lmejc ] ...which were being paid for by the "millions & millions" of australian taxpayer dollars slipped under the table to Saddam as "backsheesh"(bribery) for continuing to buy australian wheat - a FACT that has been common knowledge in journalistic circles for a long time. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ AND, to add gross insult to grievous injury - RON WALKER, Chairman of Fairfax & therefore "Gibbsy's" boss,[ie. signs-off on Gibbsy's shite] is also moonlighting as CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMONWEALTH GAMES in Melbourne ...at which a MAJORITY of the athletes are of African or coloured heritage. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If you don't see a problem in all this - then you're probably ideally suited for a career in journalism at Fairfax. HOWEVER, on one thing at least, we can wholeheartedly agree - there's "too much segregation on (Norfolk) Island" ...as far as I'm concerned "REAL" Islanders are those who have committed heart & soul to the Island - REGARDLESS of their place of birth or ethnic background.
Name: Onthespot
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 19 March 2006
Time: 11:13:50 AM
In reference to previous post. Why would someone associate and deal with these people in any part of the scam and not be classed as having some involvement? This person went over to the USA in the initial setting up of the scam and is so named as the offshore trader.
Name: Granted the opportunity before the SEC
Email: .au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 19 March 2006
Time: 09:52:49 AM
I understand someone may be Granted the opportunity to travel free to the USA to testify to their innocense before their Securities and Exchange Commission regarding a Ponzi scheme that has now reached over $390 million and over 1200 individuals identified who have lost money in it. This should be quite the interesting court case.
Name: Traveller
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 08:49:12 PM
Don't think I am just a whinger. I have lived on Norfolk and I have also had holidays there, so I was interested in how Norfolk is being promoted at Travel Expos where thousands of people attend, sad to say not very well. Too many outsiders running the show these days who don't do Norfolk any good in the long run. You Norfolk Islanders have to take control of your tourism, you are the people who make Norfolk so lovely so promote that by having Norfolk Islanders at the shop front everywhere you are running promotion.
Name: Traveller
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 06:52:52 PM
Just letting you all know I went past the Norfolk Island stand at the Travel Expo many times during the 3 hours and made it my business to take in what was going on. The three in the stand seems to be particularly bored and couldn't give a damb if anyone was interested or not. It was a small area they had but they could have made it more colourful to catch the eye of the thousands that went through the Hall today and if they showed the public they wanted to sell Norfolk and attract prospective tourists they were doing a dreadful job of it.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 06:30:54 PM
joe you write too much for me to bother reading. how long are others to be so proud of their mutineer heritage and not get on with the big wide world out there - it is getting sad. the world is moving on, and dont really give a shit. i was a descendant of pirates from the ilse of white, we all have a history so moving on. too much segregation on this island, who is and who's not
Name: Traveller
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 06:27:10 PM
Well folks, I spent a few hours in at Darling Harbour at the Travel Expo today. There in stand B21 was a pitiful attempt at helping your tourism. I stood for some time observing what was going on. My assessment very little .... 2 fair haired chaps in the back of the stand talking non stop. A sharped nosed lady sitting at a computer at the front counter busy on the computer but little else. I moved to the front of the desk no one of the three acknowledged someone might be interested, still no one spoke I then reached on the desk and helped myself to 2 brochures. NORFOLK ISLAND GETAWAYS and NORFOLK ISLAND YOUR ISLAND HOME still no one said anything. Nothing stood out to say this is a fabulous destination. Other stands were very busy, those who had decorated their stands with colourful props etc and very friendly people who were eager to tell you about their destinations. What in gods name has gone wrong with your publicity and promotion of your island. I was at the Expo from 1 pm - 3pm and had plenty of time to look around. Nothing Norfolk stood out and grabbed by interest. You need to get REAL ISLANDERS out there to sell your island put on your Norfolk hats and baskets and get out there and do something for your island before it is too late.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 12:19:44 PM
biopic. of Stephen Gibbs Boss - Ron Walker: http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/what-makes-ron-run/2006/03/10/1141701695877.html
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 12:16:38 PM
International visitors to this Forum, please note that the SMH - the 'oldest' broadsheet in the Aust.Settler State - which furnishes the bully pulpit for Stephen Gibbs race-baiting - as well as the Chairman of the Commonwealth Games [& former Head Honcho of the Howard Govt's liberal Party], in the person of Ron Walker, Chairman of the Fairfax Board; styles itself thus: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "The Sydney Morning Herald is Australia’s most prestigious newspaper, reaching discerning and involved readers who trust its independence, authority and integrity." SOURCE:http://heraldadcentre.fairfax.com.au/adcentre/newspapers/smh/index.html ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ For our American visitors in particular, please note that whilst the Australian Wheat Board was bankrolling Saddam Hussein to the tune of "millions and millions of dollars" - at the same time that young American Servicefolk were being slaughtered indiscriminately by Saddam's insurgents -Australian 'journalists'(sic) of Gibbs ilk were serenely unconcerned - rather, they were transfixed by the "grossness" of Serena William's "arse" ...(see SMH feature quoted below). ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ CF: "The U.S. Wheat Associates Board of Directors has taken direct aim at the American wheat farmer's largest export competitor, Australia’s monopoly exporting corporation, citing an avalanche of evidence that the AWB (formerly the Australian Wheat Board) provided millions and millions of dollars in kickbacks to the Saddam Hussein regime in order to maintain Australian wheat sales under the scandal ridden Oil for Food Programme." SOURCE: http://www.wawheat.com/article_0206awb.asp ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Big bum rap for Serena: byline - STEPHEN GIBBS Date: January 21 2006 Centre stage on centre court is a burgeoning butt which apparently 'controls all inferior men's minds', writes Stephen Gibbs. SERENA Williams has a big, fat arse. You read it here first. Others have come to this same conclusion and suggested it elsewhere, too. It is possible to reach this position independently and unassisted, but today we officially bring you the news. Our nation's tennis writers have been too busy revealing Serena Williams is back bigger than ever, with no ifs and one very big but(t). Serena has been beset by injury, which reduces her mobility. That, in turn, leads to her having an arse Greg Ritchie would be too shy to have worn. It also allows newspapers to wrap snickering remarks on Serena's shape within a cloak of comment on her fitness, or ability to perform. The rare times I'm found watching tennis, I'll be watching those players I would most like to take to five sets. Serena Williams ain't one of them, but neither was Pat Rafter. Writing about tennis and tennis players is hard work. After two minutes, I'm worn out. Real tennis writers practise year-round so they can comment with authority on changes in Serena's arse form. Many have career-threatening wrist injuries. That is probably unfair. So are the best scenes in Black Hawk Down. The world's cruel. Anna Kournikova couldn't win a singles title. I've got a head like a prison informant, and Freya Stafford has hardly been on the tele since they axed White Collar Blue. And still, Serena Williams has this great big arse. Some tennis commentators seem able to ignore the urge to record that for posterity and instead have concentrated on her career. Some have chronicled every step in this extraordinary journey and are still there courtside, searching for a new angle to look up Maria Sharapova's skirt. Righto. This is the spot for a sentence that starts: "Before the letters of complaint come flooding in from the hairy-armpit brigade …" This may or may not be interesting but, in fact, they never do. Those sentences are written for female colleagues and partners rather than letter-writing lesbians. Back to Sharapova, who is a Russian glamour girl and can apparently play a bit, too. She is tanned, teenaged, firm of bottom and pert of breast. She has for some time been ranked No.1 by the tennis world as the female player heterosexual males most want to up-end. But that is not how they put it in the media, just as we don't say Serena Williams has a big arse. The closest I could find published anywhere were three instances of "Serena Williams has a fat ass" on the web. One came from a message board on ESPN's college basketball site. That thread was begun with a link to a pic of Serena's huge arse. "Serena is a real nicely built woman," one visitor commented on the sight tennis writers feel they have to excuse. "I never thought she had the body that she has. Always thought she was too athletic. Now I know better. She is Fine." Most are direct, many crude, but every one of 160 - regardless of language - says much the same: "Simply the best that an ass can get." Apparently not everyone attracted to women gets off on looking up the skirts of slim Caucasian teens. Some of the messages are enigmatic: "I told myself i wasnt gonna Cry". Some are sassy: "Put yo booty back in yo panties yo girl." Some silly: "Each cheek is like a bowling ball! Awesome!!!!" And some overawed: "Wow! man, this is the best ass in the whole world … Damn." Sometimes they go over the top: "Serena is DOMINANT POWERFUL BRAVE and is our new laeder. Her ASS controls all inferior men's minds." And then there's this: "If Sara Lee could get the recipe to those buns; it surely would be a garrantied trip to the top of the FORTUNE FIVE HUNDRED list." Some contributors are unwell. There is the childlike, "U R REALLY SEXY I LIKE U". The unsettling: "That ass is icredible is perfect y will like to tuch it." And then there can be found what is clearly dangerous: "i need more pictures on this." Some see a heavenly hand in this work of arse: GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY In the beauty of this woman, God reached the top of his creations. Thanks to the lord. Some give thanks straight to her: Man!!! Serena, let me tell you, you has the best body that i ever seen in my life! perfetc for me! I just love you! Serena I aint eva seen a ASS LIKE THAT! yo serina you really sexy baby i love ya and that a fine ass girl you sexy baby. Some are simple: ha, Ulala! Oh! La Serenade … Many become lost for words: Shit! she is so … I AM SPEECHLESS. lost for words.After that, me too. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ source: http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2006/01/20/1137734153136.html
Name: noballs
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 11:09:17 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/send-the-odd-folk-to-norfolk/2006/03/17/1142582530665.html
Name: Lara Taylor
Email: tintola@optusnet.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 10:44:02 AM
I have just read the latest Gibbs rubbish in the SMH . Whats he on....... He is just like a naughty child where any attention is better than none. Lovely to see the Norfolk team marching in Melbourne. Good luck to everyone. Good luck with the Travel Expo in Sydney. Norfolk is the best place for a holiday
Name: Dear Sir Grant the Knight of Malta
Email: @hideout
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 12:35:42 AM
We all may need a place to stay for awhile, they have taken away all our bank accts, ATM passwords, and passports, can you send a boat for us, please?
Name: Kelly Jones
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 March 2006
Time: 12:12:22 AM
Stephen Gibbs at it again in the Sydney Morning Herald 18th March 2006 article titled 'SEND THE ODD FOLK TO NORFOLK' He thinks he's funny, I think he is really off his rocker!!! Have a look at it and pass comment interested in what you locals have to say about it. Apparently it is his idea of how to get Norfolk out of its mess.
Name: Traveller
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 17 March 2006
Time: 10:44:35 AM
Its to be hoped you will have your Travel experts attending the Travel Expo being held at th Sydney Exhibition Centre Darling Harbour this weekend 18th & 19th March. I will be going along and will be checking out what is there for Norfolk Island.
Name: Whattaway
Email: norfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 17 March 2006
Time: 09:53:02 AM
Re: Keen spectator, as it states in my posting, REAL Norfolk Islanders, I am sure you can figure that one out..
Name: Islander
Email: @nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 17 March 2006
Time: 09:50:58 AM
To Keen Spectator - there are 4 BORN & BRED Norfolk Islanders.
Name: The Truth
Email: agent@Aus.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 17 March 2006
Time: 08:18:33 AM
The NIGTB ARE visiting Australia next week!
Name: KEEN SPECTATOR
Email: SYDNEY
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 17 March 2006
Time: 07:25:38 AM
To 'Whataway' - when you mention 4 Norfolk Islanders representing NI, do you mean BORN & BRED with a Pitcairn (Bounty Mutineer) heritage or are we talking about married to a NIslander to give them the surname of an islander (eg.Nobbs,Adams etc). Maybe abit of difference in what is classed as Norfolk Islander.
Name: yorley grant me
Email: .com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 17 March 2006
Time: 02:22:53 AM
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Name: Old timer
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 08:43:26 PM
How come only 4 real Norfolk Islanders are representing at the Commonwealth Games? Shouldn't this be restricted to those of Bounty heritage? How many actual athletes are there? How many in Melbourne are officials?
Name: whataway
Email: gonorfolk.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 04:43:51 PM
In reply to Old timer, there are 4 real Norfolk Islanders in the Norfolk team in Melbourne
Name: Karen
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 02:43:50 PM
I think the effort should be in Australia not New Zealand, as our travel agents this end don't seem real interested in promoting Norfolk Island. If you just sit back and wait for tourists to book online directly through your norfolk Island site your Tourist Industry will go bust just like your Government. You have to get Norfolk Islanders into our travel agencies in Australia to sell Norfolk.
Name: Tell all
Email: @aoz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 02:07:03 PM
Who are these people who are going on this paid junket?
Name: fed up
Email: what-a-joke@gov.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 01:56:43 PM
curious to know the thoughts behind sending 7 representitives of norfolk on an all expenses paid trip around nz for three weeks ,WITH $500 a week wage as well........i would do it for free..........also why do we have a tourism manager that works from home so has no real contact with tourists or staff, and we give him a car and we pay his fuel and we just see the car driving around and to and from the beach with his wife, kids and boogie boards? how can norfolk afford all this and who is calling these rediculuos shots and what do they hope to acheive?
Name: Oldtimer
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 01:43:00 PM
More on the Commonwealth Games, I wish all the representatives from Norfolk lots of luck , but can anyone tell me how many real Norfolk Islanders are amongst those participating.
Name: Oldtimer
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 01:42:21 PM
More on the Commonwealth Games, I wish all the representatives from Norfolk, but can anyone tell me how many real Norfolk Islanders are amongst those participating.
Name: Oldtimer
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 01:36:14 PM
Good to see Kithas lovely smiling face on our Televisions at the opening of the Commonwealth Games she is so much like her Aunty Alice for sure.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 12:04:41 PM
Esstrue - I take your point & it is indeed a good one. However this is one Islander who 'se naersy'; quite frankly, I've had a gutfull of sundry low-life ignoramuses setting themselves up as judge jury & executioners of Norfolk's character ...my personal solution to the scenario you canvass, would be to block all access to this Forum from any .au namespace; unless by invitation - but then again thats just me :) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ For the benefit of our international visitors here's some video footage of the OVER FIVE THOUSAND respondents - of Joanna & Gutful's ilk - who bravely rallied to the cause & bashed two post-grad Bangladeshi students on their first trip to an australian beach & a young Afghani refugee who had grown up in Russia; he had the misfortune to miss his train stop in Caringbah, thereby ending up at the Cronulla rail terminus: cf. http://tinyurl.com/eudvw ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ So Joanna & Gutful - are you going to show? ...or do you only have the courage of your convictions when you're part of a large redneck mob??
Name: esstrue@norfolk
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 11:41:38 AM
Joe - I appreciate your sentiments and the point you are making - I am however a little concerned with the quotes you have put up. Clearly they are not posted as your views - but once the net bots go through indexing - this forum will come up when people search for those terms - next thing you know - we have a bunch of contributors here who have those types of view and the already visible downward spiral in quality of postings may escalate. - food for thought.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 10:28:54 AM
Request for comment from Joanna & Gutful re. Aussie's "Bash A Leb & Wog Day" - (viz. 11 Dec. 2005)______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Given that you're both such expert soi-disant social critics, perhaps you'd favour us with your views on the following: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "This SMS text message had been sent to hundreds of mobile phones: <><><><><><“This Sunday every Fucking Aussie in the shire, get down to North Cronulla to help support Leb and Wog bashing day..."><><><><><> Apparently a number of the 'demonstrators' wore clothing bearing slogans such as "We Grew Here, You Flew Here", "Wog Free Zone", "Aussie Pride", "Fuck Allah - save 'Nulla", and "Ethnic Cleansing Unit". Chants of "Lebs out", "Lebs go home" and other expressions were continuously shouted out by many of the demonstrators, including some families with young children."
Name: To Cherry / PONZI program
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2006
Time: 01:24:22 AM
I heard from someone who knows the group in the "Ponzi" program in the U.S. that is it a big mis understanding, and that their lawyer will have the entire thing "gone away" in a matter of a few more days or weeks. ----------------------------------------- this is simply another example of the US govt overstepping its bounds into the private enterprises of individuals who should be able to choose how to and where to invest their OWN MONEY to make profits. The investment program was working fine, people were getting paid regularly and completely UNTIL the US GOVT stepped in and tried to put their hands into the pot. They have to justify their existence with the tax dollers that are paid them I suppose. --- At least that's the story from the people running the deal....
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 03:23:44 PM
Ess waey FreddyB use'a tull brud: "gi'wett nuff roep, gwen shoew ess doep" ...but really what a wonderful international ambassador for aussie High-Brow Kulcha 'Gutful' really is - how very fortunate Norfolk Islanders are, to have had so may of his type, garnishing their Homeland over the years.
Name: You Know
Email: crorse_ya.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 02:50:54 PM
Hey Joe.....you knoew whose me. Good un fer see you back orn ya cos you bin orf fer lorng tiem. See some o'dem cah do unae?
Name: hehehe@hahahah
Email: isetekel@yorliesfunny1
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 12:38:06 PM
HEHE classified what a funny site to see on your arrival to Norfolk. I must apologise for our sense of humour!! But I had a great laugh when I read your entry. Gotta love that Norfolk humour.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 11:59:51 AM
To Joanne & Gutful: I do indeed fly my true colours - & I suspect you've just shown yours.
Name: KEEN SPECTATOR
Email: SYDNEY
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 11:59:15 AM
Many thanks for all the returned emails and information. Greatly appreciated.
Name: Here We Go
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 10:35:19 AM
Mens Bowls - Keith Turton, Neil Tall, Noel Rawlinson, Barry Wilson, Graeme Woolley, Gaetan Boudan, John Christian Ladies Bowls - Kitha Bailey, Carole yager, Debbie Wilford, Ester Sanchez, Elizabeth Churchyard, Anne Pledger, Wendy Nagy Mens Pistol Shooting - Brian Check, Stephen Ryan, Graham Cock, Kevin Coulter, Graham Lock,Jim Cruise, Andrew Glenny Ladies Pistol Shooting - Denise Reeves, Jackie Grundy Clay Target - Milton Bradley Mens Squash - Duncan Gray, Gye Duncan, Stephen Nobbs, Peter Christian-Bailey Ladies Squash - Debbie Adams, Rebecca Nobbs
Name: needmoreinfo
Email: @Aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 09:16:17 AM
To Keen Spectator - Some info re the games. Milton Bradley (clay target shooting - 4 times C'Wealth games competitor) is the flag bearer. Mal Tarrant is the Chef-de-Mission. Squash reps Mens doubles Duncan Gray & Guy Duncan Group B - Mixed Doubles Group C Debby Adams & Guy Duncan and Group E Becky Nobbs & Duncan Gray. Hope this helps. I have been having a few problems trying to get info as well. Three sports that N.I. entered are shooting, bowls and squash
Name: Keenerspectator
Email: nfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 08:33:01 AM
FYI for those that can't get onto the Games website, Esterina Sanchez plays Australia in the Womens Singles lawnbowls 18 March at 2pm and Neil Tall plays Wales in singles lawnbowls, same date and time. Norfolk is also listed to play in the doubles on 16 March against Jersey, but there are no players listed.
Name: Keenerspectator
Email: nfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 08:32:56 AM
FYI for those that can't get onto the Games website, Esterina Sanchez plays Australia in the Womens Singles lawnbowls 18 March at 2pm and Neil Tall plays Wales in singles lawnbowls, same date and time. Norfolk is also listed to play in the doubles on 16 March against Jersey, but there are no players listed.
Name: Keenerspectator
Email: nfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 08:19:38 AM
If the link doesn't work, just search for Norfolk Island under the 'Athletes' button on the games site.
Name: Keenerspectator
Email: nfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 08:17:41 AM
KEEN SPECTATOR, I googled the games site and there are two bowlers participating from Norfolk, one male, one female. Go to this link: http://www.melbourne2006.com.au/M2006/Search/SearchResults&ContentType=AthletesAndOfficials&NumResults=20&Sort=SortAlphabetically&Country=182
Name: KEEN SPECTATOR
Email: SYDNEY
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 07:32:32 AM
Can someone please reply to KEEN SPECTATOR dated 13th March as the Commonwealth Games opens tonight and would like an update so as to follow the NI Athletes. Oh and by the way WHO is flag bearer???? Many thanks to who ever replies.
Name: Ashamed Aussie
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Time: 07:22:49 AM
Here is a message especially for Gutful............EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE MOST SOUNDS. One really has to pity someone with such ignorance and idiocy. If it is all that bad – then stay the hell of this forum. You and others on here sure leave a lot to be desired. The chip on your shoulders are so massive but not massive enough for any of us to feel sorrow or compassion for you. Stick to your binge drinking and your solo environment because you deserve that kind of lifestyle. Any wonder you have no friends. Interesting how I know huh?
Name: Ouch
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 10:37:15 PM
I agree with last comments, stop barking at the ones who provide the money so your wages are paid - tourists. Yes we all would like to be updated on current issues by way of this forum. Tourists need information both bad & good when deciding to travel to any destination. They also need to know they have security in being able to get back home with a reliable airline. All current matters that are being discussed on Norfolk in relation to your debt ridden Government and how the island is being run not only causes residents concern it also concerns the travelling public. It is such a shame as the island is so beautiful pity your Government has put it in this position that the Australian Government has to take steps to save your economy.
Name: whoyakidding
Email: ubetcha@happy.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 10:17:42 PM
Gee, just maybe "G" might be lucky enough to hear himself referred to as "f.......ing mainlander" as he has a quiet drink at the Leagues. I know free speech is the go but maybe the attitudeshown by some needs to change towards people who come and spend their dollars. Yes some of the questions sound strange but these people are interested and shouldn't be blamed for govt. decisions. Fiji has its problems but the people are so happy to see everyone.
Name: Gutful
Email: @Aus
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 09:33:54 PM
Joe Youay talkay aay lotay shitay, which translates exactly to what it sounds like.
Name: Joanne Beal
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 08:54:22 PM
Oh Joe, you sound such an intelligent chap they should put you in charge of the island.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 06:14:54 PM
To 'Joanna Beal': Joanna, I can assure you that Grayeme will be received with traditional Island courtesy & graciousness - of a kind rarely found on the mainland. However he doesn't strike me as being a trained anthropologist or having a particularly analytic intellect. Given that you appear to be taking such a judgemental approach to the Island, you may be interested in the following aphorism courtesy of Ulpian: --"Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere." which translates as - 'The precepts of the Law are these: to live honourably; to do no harm & to render each his due.' [Domitius Ulpianus, circa AD 211 - 222]
Name: Cherry
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 02:33:36 PM
In reply to Kathi, just hav a look at this website and click on Travis E Corell second from bottom left. Also the latest news which flashes, this updates the case. http://www.haysconsulting.net
Name: Kathi - to Cherry in Aus
Email: dot.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 02:23:56 PM
Cherry, who is Robbie Gowdey? How do you know about him, is he in Australia ? Kathi xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxName: cherry xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxEmail: @aus Country: Australia Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006 Time: 10:45:12 AM---xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxCommentsxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Could this actually be Robbie Gowdey actually trying to contact Grant Cardno his co-accused in the ponzie fraud case in the USA?
Name: classified
Email: ditto
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 12:47:47 PM
cheers Paul, however consider yourself lucky - when I flew in some years ago there was a couple of tradesmen standing on said roof presenting a pair of 'brown-eyes' winking in unison
Name: P. Rodgers
Email: prodgers@yahoo.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 10:57:06 AM
I have just visited your Island and was very impressed with it. However, there is one house beside the runway (next to Braker House) that really could do with a bit of gardening done to give a better first impression of the Island. It was the first thing that I saw looking out of my window seat and my first thought was I hope the rest of the Island doesn't look as neglected as this premises. The rest of the Island was very well manicured and is a credit to the people. If anyone reads this email, and you know who the owner is (I think I was told it was owned by a Christian who drives small jeep tours), I encourage you to convince him to improve the first glimpse of Norfolk that greets your visitors. Also hello to the helpful Visitors information staff, that I met while there. Thanks for your assistance. Paul & Noelene Rodgers
Name: not_again
Email: not_again@ronnys_ripoff_bin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 10:28:48 AM
there has been mention lately of power going again up to 47c/unit - can anybody confirm this?
Name: KEEN SPECTATOR
Email: SYDNEY
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 09:00:54 AM
From the Sydney Morning Herald dated 13th March, I read that Norfolk Island is represented by 30 ATHLETES and OFFICIALS. Can the names of the 30 ATHLETES be listed so we can follow up on there chosen sports events and watch for any medals. Or is there a page on the NI Website with all details pertaining the NI being represented at the games??? GOOD LUCK TO ALL SPORTS PERSONS ATTENDING THE GAMES. FLY DAR FLAG HIGH!!!
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: @nfk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2006
Time: 08:09:22 AM
Carolyn - don't you have rape, murder, theft, etc etc in Australia - and probably in your own neighborhood?? Leave your mud slinging in your own back yard thank you. I really pity people like you who have nothing better to do than throw mud. How does your cupboards look???? many skeletons hiding in there???
Name: Carolyn
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 10:03:20 PM
Its a pity all of the Pitcairners didn't all remain on Norfolk when they went originally, would have save all the problems that have occurred there in which many have been proven guilty of rape etc. in recent times.
Name: Me
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 07:44:13 PM
Norlarnen........the Pitcairners came to Norfolk 150 years ago not 160 years ago and stated by you.
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 07:38:55 PM
Grayeme, With all due respect I am absolutely amazed at some of the comments you have made. How much time have you spent on Norfolk? Just from one of your posts here are a few comments to set you straight. "With all the fees and charges that you pay - for what you receive, you are probably much worse off than us on the mainland paying our taxes" - WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR CALCULATING THIS? WE LIVE ON A BEAUTIFUL ISLAND IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC, WE RUN THINGS AS WE LIKE FOR OURSELVES, WHAT IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE, BEING TAKEN OVER BY SOME BEAURACRATS IN CANBERRA? PAYING INCOME TAX? I have seen a lot of comments on this forum about Big Brother Australia and what will do to Norfolk. But I think most of those comments are made by people who just like to shoot there mouth off with no real knowledge of how things work or have a political boat to row. AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING IF NOT THE SAME!!! The facts are that Australia has one of the best economies in the world, the people enjoy one of the best standards of living in the world. AND WE ENJOY AN EVEN BETTER STANDARD OF LIVING! Right from the very first settlement of Norfolk Island, Australia has always been big brother to Norfolk and should and will always be. OH PLEASE! THE INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL SITUATION AT THAT TIME WAS FRANCE VS. ENGLAND, WHY DO YOU THINK NEW CALEDONIA - THE CLOSET LAND MASS TO NORFOLK ISLAND IS FRENCH! THE BRITISH WANTED TO CLOSE DOWN THE PENAL SETTLEMENT ON NORFOLK AND THE PITCAIRNERS WERE A TAILOR MADE SOLUTION TO KEEPING NORFOLK UNDER THE BRITISH FLAG - WITH NO MAINTAINENCE OR DRAIN ON FINANCIAL RESOURCES. There is nothing wrong with having someone there should you need them. By the sounds of things, that time is now. WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU BASING THIS STATEMENT ON? NO REFERENDUM HAS BEEN HELD, THE ONLY BASIS FOR THIS DECSION IS THE BOGUS TRUMPED UP REPORTS MADE BY LIGHTFOOT AND HIS LIKE OVER RECENT YEARS. Even as far back as the arrival of the Pitcairners on Norfolk 160 years ago, Australia was there to help. They did not pack up all there things and take them back to Sydney. They handed it all to your ancestors to give them a hand along, leaving all there buildings, pigs , cattle, poultry etc, crops in the fields and about 45000 pounds of grain. OH PLEASE!!!! Nothing has changed from Australias point of view. We will be there when you need us, and we will show the same compassion as Australia has always shown to any of its neighbours and friends that have fell on hard times. TO THINK THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A FREE LUNCH IS TO BE COMPLETELY IGNORANT AND BEYOND HELP! Comments such as -all Australians are a pack of bludgers on this forum don't do anything for anyone. FINALLY SOMETHING I CAN AGREE WITH. I really hope you come and give up on thinking you know A DAMN THING about us, or our situation, come, be a tourist, enjoy our island and people.
Name: some people really
Email: rub_you_up_the_wrong_way.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 05:52:31 PM
hey extraasis, funny that you found everyone like that.....maybe they were reacting to YOUR personality......and as far as being igrorant goes, you certainly are as is reflected in the attention you must have paid to your teachers at school ,cause you cant spell pal!!!!
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 04:29:20 PM
Grayeme, luv ya rose coloured glasses sport ...BUT; here's an alternative view of australian history - by people whose ancestors arrived there SIXTY THOUSAND YEARS AGO: http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/interpret_p1.htm
Name: extraasis
Email: extra.com
Country: No Mans Land
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 04:28:50 PM
there are no angels on norfolk shop owners are rude,people are rude or ognorant sorry but this is how i found it
Name: Pick a girl
Email: pickagirl.hotty.hottycom
Country: Madagascar
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 02:38:17 PM
Hi Pick a girl and say your a hotty.Kiss them on the lips.Go out and have a date.Sleep with them all night. Pick a girl guide
Name: Alex
Email: Alexatthedogsloveandhotysarecool
Country: Finland
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 02:34:24 PM
Hi I don't know what to say!!! Alex ford
Name: DFB
Email: onisland.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 13 March 2006
Time: 05:30:13 AM
Been There - be very careful what you say. If you are in fact referring to "Norfolk Islanders" being charming - let's get one fact straight here - there aren't too many Norfolk Islanders who have their own businesses here. Most of them are from the mainland [Australia, New Zealand and afar]. Noroflk Islanders are very friendly and welcoming people and if you did encounter otherwise - then perhaps you got them off-side with by something you said.
Name: Been there
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 08:07:26 PM
Just know Grayeme they can be all very charming when the tourists are around, that's what brings their pay packets, so don't be fooled. Look beyond the charm and you will see what we that have been there know first hand.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 07:55:20 PM
No worries there Joanna - that will be my pleasure. But I am certain I am going to encounter a much more positive,albeit, very concerned Norfolk Islander than we encounter here at times. Although Joanna I also believe that a lot of the supposedly Norfolk Islanders hiding behind false names an emails on this forum are not really Islanders at all. I think I will be pleasantly surprised when we get there on Saturday. Cheers
Name: Joanna Beal
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 07:36:49 PM
Have been reading the posts and keeping an open mind on who is right & who is wrong in the discussions. We are depending on you Grayeme when you are finally on Norfolk Island for your holiday, talk to Norfolk Islanders, business owners, and anyone who will give you an insight on what is really going on over there.Maybe you will be able to get a cross section of opinions to come to a conclusion as the overall feeling of all the players. On your return please post on here and update us on the real truth of the matter, not what some would like us to believe.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 06:47:32 PM
Carwaar - so was Australia at that point, and everything they had had been built by thier own hands. Queen Victoria and England were a long way away and really could not care less about any of us. Remember we were shoved out here - out of sight, out of mind. On the tax point - I never said we weren't highly taxed. But we have a lot more than most and I subscribe to USER PAYS.
Name: carwaar
Email: car@waar
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 06:33:45 PM
To Grayeme, I just need to clarify a few things with regard to you last post. It has been 150 years not 160 since my ancestors arrived on Norfolk from Pitcairn. It wasn’t Australia that left us with all the buildings, pigs etc etc, it was Queen Victoria (Norfolk was a British penal colony) that granted the Pitcairners the permission to settle on Norfolk Island. On a different point, isn’t Australia one of the highest taxed countries in the world??? Correct me if I am wrong.
Name: DFB
Email: onisland.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 05:06:11 PM
Grayeme and others............don't be fooled. "One of Ucklun" does not necessarily mean a Norfolk Islander. As can be seen, many people come on here under anonymity and anyone can pose to be any person, gender or any other country for that matter. I am a born and bred islander and all visitors are welcome by all genuine Norfolk Islanders. I hope I meet you whilst you are here for a break. You might like to email me on mysetintola@gmail.com and I can assist you with any questions you might have.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 12:56:28 PM
Myse Island Home makes some very good points. Norfolk Island is not Tax Free, you just call them fees and charges. With all the fees and charges that you pay - for what you receive, you are probably much worse off than us on the mainland paying our taxes. I have seen a lot of comments on this forum about Big Brother Australia and what will do to Norfolk. But I think most of those comments are made by people who just like to shoot there mouth off with no real knowledge of how things work or have a political boat to row. The facts are that Australia has one of the best economies in the world, the people enjoy one of the best standards of living in the world. Whinging about your lot is just human nature, but the bottom line is they know how well off they really are. When was the last time you heard on the news a report of boat people trying to escape from Australia. But there are thousands lined up trying to get in. Right from the very first settlement of Norfolk Island, Australia has always been big brother to Norfolk and should and will always be. There is nothing wrong with having someone there should you need them. By the sounds of things, that time is now. Even as far back as the arrival of the Pitcairners on Norfolk 160 years ago, Australia was there to help. They did not pack up all there things and take them back to Sydney. They handed it all to your ancestors to give them a hand along, leaving all there buildings, pigs , cattle, poultry etc, crops in the fields and about 45000 pounds of grain. Nothing has changed from Australias point of view. We will be there when you need us, and we will show the same compassion as Australia has always shown to any of its neighbours and friends that have fell on hard times. Comments such as -all Australians are a pack of bludgers on this forum don't do anything for anyone.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 11:39:57 AM
One of Ucklan sure knows how to make Australian Tourists feel welcome.
Name: Gutful
Email: @Aus
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 11:34:07 AM
To Myse Island Home - That is the most constructive post I have seen in this forum for a long time. You sound more than QUALIFIED to stand for your parliament. Thinkers like you are what Norfolk needs now. Just don't make "One of Ucklan" your Tourism Minister !!! He/She is scary !!
Name: Myse Island Home
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 11:19:59 AM
Aussie to take over???? We have left it too late. However we can only vote for those that actually stand for assembly. Maybe more of us should have got up and had a go, even if we thought we wernt qualified. Considering our head of assembly was a gardner prior to appointment, one was/is a public servant, one ran a pie shop. So i guess any one of us could have stepped up to the mark. I think that majority of NI's are happy to pay tax. Atleast if we pay legitimate tax we will recieve benefits from paying these taxes. Instead of paying through the teeth, all sorts of levies and fees that half of us arnt even aware that we pay and really receiving nothing in return. All monies go to prop up our top heavy public service. Just an example of fees and charges most of us know nothing about. The Govt obviously wanted to raise the cost of Rego's but didnt want to incite anger from the general public so instead they have decided to charge the Service Stations a license fee to issue the rego, and also any mechanic that wants to issue the Rego must pay another license fee, and then charges for the actual rego books. Effective way to raise the cost with out the public actually knowing who did it and where the money goes. I think that any revenue areas with in the Government should be run as seperate little businesses. Telecom should be run as a seperate enitity, levies raised from petrol for our roads - should be put directly to the roads. Borrowing from different revenue sources to top up shortfalls should not be allowed. If we are not raising enough revenue in one area to cover that areas expenses, than that needs assessing and adjustments made. Is this no common business sense? Dont let your different sections run at a loss. Anyway, if we cant fight what is happening, we all need to get together and cooperate to get the best out of the situation. I applaude NAG for their constructive survey about what we want to KEEP the same, and for actually getting up and doing something. We are too happy to sit back and watch. We all need to get up and take action to make things work. Late is better than never.
Name: cherry
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 10:45:12 AM
Could this actually be Robbie Gowdey actually trying to contact Grant Cardno his co-accused in the ponzie fraud case in the USA?
Name: A Freind
Email: freind
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 10:30:18 AM
'had a gutful' dont you think its a bit rotten to be insulting Norfolk Islanders at a time when they are having a difficult debate about their future. 'one of ucklun' I suggest you read the sink or swim report and think about what sort of future you want to leave for little sullen
Name: THEHIDDENELECT
Email: @NIDS
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 09:54:59 AM
TO ROBBIE HERE IS SIR GRANT CARDNO CONTACT: I welcome you to call or email me. If there is something you wish to discuss then please call me at (672) 3 22849 or by email lmci@ni.net.nf. Sincerely, Grant Cardno.
Name: One of Ucklun
Email: @norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 06:05:56 AM
Hey Gutful.....do yourself a favour and stick your head where the sun don't shine. What the hell do you know? It's DICKHEADS like you that make us not want to be part of your country - because most of you are bludgers and we here are hard workers. We don't have the dole becasue all of us are workers not bludgers.
Name: Robbie
Email: net@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 02:13:18 AM
Does anyone know how to reach Grant Cardon?
Name: Robbie
Email: net@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 12 March 2006
Time: 02:13:15 AM
Does anyone know how to reach Grant Cardon?
Name: Gutful
Email: @Aus
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 10:08:50 PM
I've had a gutful of you whinging whining islanders. Everything is Australia's fault or someone elses -but never one of you. You sit over there expecting Australia to hand out to you without getting off your own arses and doing anything. The fact is you are going broke because you don't do anything to stop it except pass blame and whinge your guts out. I doubt any of you could run a choko vine over a outdoor shithouse. Get of your arses and do something constructive.
Name: Observer
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 08:28:22 PM
Now it's the blame game is it? The WHOLE ISLAND POPULATION has to take responsibility for what is now taking place. Everyone has been too laid back for years and just let a certain group run the place, every election same of folk getting back in. The horse has bolted you all should have made loud objections way back. Too much tourist accommodation been created and now things are bad everyone can't win .. I note the many businesses up for sale and the ones that aren't some proprietors have some connections to members of the current Assembly. The boom times are over and sadly many of you will have to leave the island once again to work. There will not be jobs left for all. The only ones to be busy will be accountants helping businesses through the paper work that will be required if the Australian Government take the island into their control. If you want access to Medicare etc. you are just going to have to pay full tax like the rest of us. Perhaps too many have been allowed to live on the island which has put too many demands on the likes of the small hospital. The in -fighting with mainland Medical Doctors who have gone there to take up a position at the hospital. The problems have been compounding and no one on your island knows how to get out of the mess of your own making. I wish you luck but Australia is your only answer to the current crisis.
Name: True Blue, Bron & Bred Islander
Email: proud_of_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 06:02:22 PM
I missed a very important word [now in upper case] hence the re-post. Sorry all. Yes- Aussie takeover will probably stuff us up just as much as they have stuffed themselves up. One only needs to watch or listen to the news every day to hear the piss poor governance in Australia and they [who know STUFF ALL about us or our island] are treating us just like they did and do the aboriginals. Maybe we should have huge outbursts like they do. The sad thing is no matter what we do or say they won't take a bar of notice. But you know, we have our own business groups to thank for this mess i.e. the chamber of commerce etc who have run crying to Lloyd and his cronies with sob stories etc - so let's hope it all comes back and bites them the most in the butt. All of us Islanders will be fine as we know how to live off the land and out of the sea. The same cannot be said for too many others – and let’s hope this brings all of us islanders closer and that we stick together. Will those born and bred in New Zealand please stop bastardizing the Norfolk language as it sounds really stupid. I am sure we all know who I mean.
Name: True Blue, Bron & Bred Islander
Email: proud_of_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 06:02:05 PM
I missed a very important word [now in upper case] hence the re-post. Sorry all. Yes- Aussie takeover will probably stuff us up just as much as they have stuffed themselves up. One only needs to watch or listen to the news every day to hear the piss poor governance in Australia and they [who know STUFF ALL about us or our island] are treating us just like they did and do the aboriginals. Maybe we should have huge outbursts like they do. The sad thing is no matter what we do or say they won't take a bar of notice. But you know, we have our own business groups to thank for this mess i.e. the chamber of commerce etc who have run crying to Lloyd and his cronies with sob stories etc - so let's hope it all comes back and bites them the most in the butt. All of us Islanders will be fine as we know how to live off the land and out of the sea. The same cannot be said for too many others – and let’s hope this brings all of us islanders closer and that we stick together. Will those born and bred in New Zealand please stop bastardizing the Norfolk language as it sounds really stupid. I am sure we all know who I mean.
Name: True Blue, Born & Bred Islander
Email: proud_of_it.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 06:00:01 PM
Yes- Aussie takeover will probably stuff us up just as much as they have stuffed themselves up. One only needs to watch or listen to the news every day to hear the piss poor governance in Australia and they [who know stuff about us or our island] are treating us just like they did and do the aboriginals. Maybe we should have huge outbursts like they do. The sad thing is no matter what we do or say they won't take a bar of notice. But you know, we have our own business groups to thank for this mess i.e. the chamber of commerce etc who have run crying to Lloyd and his cronies with sob stories etc - so let's hope it all comes back and bites them the most in the butt. All of us Islanders will be fine as we know how to live off the land and out of the sea. The same cannot be said for too many others – and let’s hope this brings all of us islanders closer and that we stick together. Will those born and bred in New Zealand please stop bastardizing the Norfolk language as it sounds really stupid. I am sure we all know who I mean.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 11:47:22 AM
Well said Pourri. What a terrible shame yourself & Norlarnen et al. are not in the Legislative Assembly at this crucial moment in Norfolk's history. Given the gross assymetries in the relationship, Norfolk will NEVER flourish under Canberra's hegemony. No client state or territory of Australia's has EVER flourished for that matter ...just look at what a basket case PNG - one of the most resource rich countries in the Asia/Pacific region - became, under Canberra's tutelage. The point is that Norfolk has OTHER OPTIONS - ...for starters, it could become a Protectorate of the European Union or the United Nations inter alia.
Name: pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 11 March 2006
Time: 06:43:56 AM
The reason that taiwan is funding this aircraft is primarily for political reasons. Around 25 nations recognise full diplomatic rights for taiwan over china, and taiwan is more or less buying their friendship. It is a common practice around the pacific where Taiwan, china etc fund huge infrastructural projects in return for this sort of thing, as well as fishing, forestry rights etc. As has been said before is that Australia could be doing the same sort of thing here, much more cheaply in return for our friendship. This would save us the hassle of all these pathetic changes they are forcing on Norfolk as well us keeping our self determination.
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 06:01:28 PM
One thing your Government should be thinking wisely about is what's in it for Taiwan this financing of an aircraft possibly to used on Norfolk route. Having seen the Taiwan Government in action in Parliament what are they up to funding Air Nauru?????????
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 05:24:14 PM
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 05:22:19 PM
www.insideoceania.com Check out reference to stories about Nauru the Australian story is listed. Cheers Janine
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 05:18:11 PM
Story found in http://www.insideoceanis/html/nauru.html
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 05:01:17 PM
When Nauru Airlines takes control of this 737 Boeing and uses it on its routes (possibly Norfolk Island) whose to say if they don't pay up on the loan from the Taiwan Government the aircraft will again be reposessed and heaps of travellers left stranded as before. They are also taking over the debt payments from the previous aircraft holding that over the Nauru Government. Norfolk is not wise to get involved at all, there must be another way out. The Taiwan Government won't muck around if the money is not paid back on a regular basis. Surely Air New Zealand could handle things and there wouldn't be that wondering if Keke is paying the bills.
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 04:45:56 PM
Sorry guys not coming up in that, just type Nauru deal with Taiwan in Google search engine. Its apparently breaking news with the Australian some 6 hours ago.
Name: janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 04:42:43 PM
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 04:32:21 PM
In today's Australian an announcement that the Taiwan Government were funding a Boeing 737 for Air Nauru - something very curious about this. Why would they fund a purchase like this for a Government known for its bad debts and non payment of loans on aircraft?
Name: Janine
Email: jcn@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 04:20:18 PM
In reply to Grayeme's info, if that is the latest agreement re leasing of aircraft, is Norfolk Island actually keeping Air Nauru afloat as well as trying to keep Norfolk afloat - as you have been down that path before when the USA Finance Company repossesed the plane at Melbourne Airport for none payment of loan. Makes one wonder what Air Nauru are up to now, going down the same path, the Government of Nauru has a terrible history of debt. The Australian Government tried to help them out with placement of illegal immigrants there on the island but that in the end went belly up.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 02:32:12 PM
In this day and age I don't see any real need for Travel Agents when you are going somewhere like Norfolk. With the Internet, it is all there for you to see and so easy to book things. I know some of the older people may not be computer literate, but they all have sons/daughters etc that are. The Tourist Bureau Site has links to everything you want to know, even down to where do you want to eat. And when it comes to booking they are excellent and can book everything for you. The internet has good coverage of all the Shows you can see, day trips, progressive dinners etc etc. and all can be booked with a simple email. You can even book, then collect and pay when you arrive on Norfolk. Tell where else in the world you can do that. And booking your flights with Qantas is just as easy (although you will need your Credit Card there). Really starting to look forward to my trip now, just 7 sleeps to go.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 02:14:34 PM
To Flying To You. It is all very confusing, the airline situation at the moment, but you are safe and guaranteed if you book with Qantas. They still run the booking side of things. At the moment Air Nauru is flying again with a wet chartered Alliance Air Fokker from both Sydney and Brisbane. If you book with Qantas you will have no worries. Plus if you book early on Qantas's own website you can save plenty. I booked last September for next week and only paid $600 return.
Name: iNOTE
Email: @AUS
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 01:55:45 PM
I note that previous posts have mention Travel agent representatives going over there on FREE OF COST trips. Just how many have done this (is anyone counting?) Perhaps you ought to sell the place yourselves and cut out this rort by agents, they sure aren't throwing business your way as they should (also maybe they fill in a form saying how good it was etc. but really when they get back to Australia it is all forgotten, so why cop the costs of it your end. Yes it may well be keeping folk your end in a job but the business owner is copping the cost of it. One in the current climate your end cannot be sustained.
Name: iNOTE
Email: @AUS
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 01:50:28 PM
Name: Flying to you..
Email: whoisit@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 08:27:05 AM
I hear Qantas has recently pulled out from flying there. So can anyone tell me which airline service now runs from Sydney to Norfolk? I am planning to come to Norfolk at the end of the year but don't want to buy a ticket from Sydney to Norfolk if it is likely that the airline service is going to pull out. Do you think it would be safer to fly with Air New Zealand, via AUckland to Norfolk?
Name: Agents Confused
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 07:53:11 AM
What is it with these Travel agents? There have been many visit here on educational trips, FOC and have passed very good comments about Norfolk Island. Last weekends flights were made up of travel agaents...it is all very confusing when on one hand they like the place and see it has many potentials and then push other destinations? I only hope it is not the same agents that visit FOC? I suppose it is all based on commission! For those of you who choose other destinations do not know what they are missing out on...the general comments form the traveller is very positive and very encouraging!
Name: TravelBug
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 07:37:03 AM
http://www.aaanorfolkisland.nf/hot_specials.htm
Name: TravelBug
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 March 2006
Time: 07:26:43 AM
To save time and money on phone calls – check out the following sites that will have appropriate email contact information. Most Travel agents in Australia don’t even know all they need to know about their own country – let alone an external territory. Give them the flick – book direct through the internet. http://www.norfolkisland.com.au [Visitors Information Centre] http://www.nf [Norfolk Island homepage. Book accommodation online] http://www.travelworld.nf/ [Book your Norfolk Island holiday online]
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 09:08:12 PM
Hey Hopeless - people dont have to phone from mainland to book holidays - We have email and internet sites where you can send enquiries and get good responses, positive ones too... The Norfolk Island Agent wont try and sell you another destination and wont tell you not to come. Everyone living on Norfolk is passionate about our Island and a vast majority promote it widely and voluntary whilst travelling. If the mainland Agent needs help, they can always contact Tourism Norfolk Island, via the web (its so easy)or email, or even one of the Local Agents - they will help and wont see the Agent as competition. Norfolk is so unique and beautiful - I can see why so many visit again and again and again....
Name: hawkeye
Email: mash.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 08:16:45 PM
Jimmy.......you are VERY SICK. You have the right email address. It suits you. Get a life matey.
Name: Norfolk-supporter
Email: throughandthrough@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 07:48:51 PM
RE: Hopeless. It is not a case of Noroflk travel agents wanting all the market. In fact it is the opposite. Norfolk is just taken pushed by Australia. I have seen first hand what Noroflk is willing to do to gte people on Island. Travel agents get different commissions and unfortunately they can get more money pushing and selling other destiniations than Norfolk. The other aspect is that they don't sell places if they haven't been. Alot of agents have been invited to Noroflk to get a better view of the Island and what it has to offer but again they still push everything but Norfolk. You wonder why norfolk wants to stay away from Australian government, I don't see Australia helping their neighbours in way shape or form in regards to tourism. If they maybe helped market Norfolk and got people over rather than sending them elsewhere who knows. I
Name: jimmy flyod hassisbank
Email: asshole@hotmail.com
Country: Bahrain
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 07:43:55 PM
lick my stocking ya pack a willy warmers and this site sucks balls 2 bye the way if ya read this you are gay ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 05:32:06 PM
dem gut bec and snoggles in dar squash fer dem games nort?
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 05:11:01 PM
to book holidays from norfolk go internet sorry but its far more helpfull
Name: Hopeless
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 04:15:42 PM
Not every tourist wants the extra expense of making phone calls to Norfolk in business hours to book holidays- to be hanging on getting details. What is going on where no one in the travel agencies in Australia is interested in dealing and pushing Norfolk as a worthwhile holiday destination. Your local travel agents must be trying to claim the market that is all I can say. Seems a disaster to me and a situation that can't continue - no wonder the place is in trouble.
Name: TravelBug
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 02:01:04 PM
You can email the Manager of Travelworld on joe@travelworld.nf
Name: commgames
Email: games@nfk.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 01:12:27 PM
Besides lawn bowls, do we have any other contestants at the Commonwealth Games. Can someone post a list of contestants and their sport so we can follow over here?
Name: TRAVELLER
Email: AUSTRALIA
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 12:17:52 PM
To Travel Bug: Can you supply and email address for the NI Travel Agent - this would be a great help. Many thanks.
Name: DFB
Email: no_needtosay.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 10:50:37 AM
Competitors in the games will be squash, bowls, and pistol shooting. Enjoy the games.
Name: commgames
Email: needsomeinfo@aus
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 10:22:33 AM
Can anyone help me out with some info on what sports are the Norfolk people competing in at the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne. Cannot find a thing on what teams are involved. Is there an email address or website of someone that I can get info from. The only info I can find on the 'Commonwealth Games' website is the photo gallery of the Relay Baton.My son is doing a school project about the Commonwealth Games and his chosen country is Norfolk Island. Any assistance would be much appreciated
Name: Travel Bug
Email: gedridofaussieagents.au
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 09 March 2006
Time: 08:03:54 AM
Let's say "to hell with the Aussie travel agents" and book with our own agents who are reputable, honest and know about Norfolk Island!!! For all you Aussie travellers, book direct with Norfolk Air Norfolk Travel - +6723 22781 Air New Zealand - +6723 22195 Bounty Centre - +6723 22502 Norfolk Jet in Brisbane - (07) 3221 5253 Thanks to those with positive posts on here.
Name: Cannotdo
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 March 2006
Time: 09:32:10 PM
To previous post, we would all like for you to make enquiries about the current Travel agent situtation during your stay, I don't reckon they will oblige with an insight on the subject, but perhaps I might be wrong. There is something fishy about it, I have never experienced such a negative with holidays to Norfolk. Also not too many travel agent workers have any knowledge of Norfolk and what it has to offer, I find this most peculiar. The destination was once offered to the newly weds and nearly deads and somehow things have not changed. They even put a fellow over there to sell Norfolk (he was prior in the Thredbo region) what has he done .... nothing ..... tourism is on the slippery slide and whose fault is that. I realize the airline problems have not helped, but you need a good promoter in there to boost tourists interests. Nothing jumps off the pages of our Sydney papers to entice me to go there. Who is handling the advertising?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 March 2006
Time: 09:12:06 PM
The last 2 posts are spot on. I experienced exactly the same in Brisbane to the point that I told them to get stuffed and organized all my own bookings direct with Norfolk. I will know next week how good a job I did. But it certainly appears to me that unless your determined to go to Norfolk - no Mainland Travel Agents are going to entice you there. Got to be something behind it all ???
Name: Cannotdo
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 March 2006
Time: 08:22:41 PM
I agree with previous post, why are travel agents in Sydney and elsewhere putting down Norfolk and telling people not to go there. I have experienced the same, I asked for a brochure on Norfolk and for almost and hour I was bombarded with brochures for other destinations and they tried to discourage me from going to Norfolk Island. Is it that there is no cooperation from Norfolk Island as far as paying fees to the travel agents to put business your way, that would seem the only reason this is happening. Can anyone tell myself and others who are interest what agreements if any the Norfolk Island Tourist Bureau has with agents in Australia.
Name: norfolk-supporter
Email: throughandthrough@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 March 2006
Time: 07:53:44 PM
Whata way Yorle Info Nation here here! Your right Noroflk is Norfolk and there is no better place to be. Everyone knows everyone and it is a great community with so much to offer everyone. I used to live on island for a couple of years as a TEP and moved to mainland. I will continue to support Norfolk in anyway I can. Norfolk maybe going through a rough patch at the moment, but when it comes to it the islanders will band together to get things done. Unlike many places here on mainland. "Norfolk has the motto of helping everyone. Mainland has the motto screw you all" I went to a travel shop over here to orgainise flights to Norfolk and was told that I was stupid to go there at the moment and why not look at somewhere else. When I said I was definitely going to norfolk they suggested I go and book through someone else. What are travel agents being told. Shouldn't they be helping out their fellow neighbours. I will always support Norfolk 100%. My time on norfolk was great and I made many a friend over there. Good Luck Yorle for the games. Supporting you all the way. Nids you battle that government.
Name: Interested
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 08 March 2006
Time: 07:33:28 PM
Can someone tell us who on Norfolk will be competing in the Commonwealth Games and what sports they will contest so we can all follow their efforts and encourage them.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 08 March 2006
Time: 04:33:51 PM
good positive thoughts for the teams they may even win a medal -
Name: Colin Ramsay
Email: colin_0061@yahoo.co.uk
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 10:50:56 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the Norfolk Island team march out at the Commonwealth Games in a couple of weeks. Good luck yorle, fly the flag high - I'm sure you'll do Norfolk proud.
Name: Info nation
Email: Herealso
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 04:23:27 PM
Travel Guru,For your info the Tourist Numbers have been relatively promising despite the problems we are going through...but yes you are right the Government of the day needs to install confidence in, not only the community, but to the persons abroad as well...It is the Commonwelth's sudden announcemment that has zapped the confidence of many and we are now waiting with baited breath to see what happens next...but be sure of this, no matter what happens the people of Norfolk Island will not and would not let Norfolk island become insolvent...no matter which way the final outcome is...Norfolk Island is still Norfolk...in amongst the recent visitors are the regulars that support Norfolk 100%, to them we say thank you...
Name: Travel Guru
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 03:43:40 PM
How are the tourist numbers of recent times guys? Until Norfolk's Government has some stability people will be putting off coming your way. If the island is broke who pays to keep the island in a pristine condition (roads etc.)? The sooner the Australian Government takes over the better.
Name: huey
Email: @duey_luey
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 01:45:11 PM
Dollarbaby - you have hit the nail on the head with the last bit of your email.........the rich get rich and the poor get poorer
Name: dollarbaby
Email: scroogemacduck
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 12:36:16 PM
Has the pay rise to the CEO been nocked on the head? Does anybody know? There are so many that have lost jobs and hours up town, I would be really interested to know. How can a government who will supposedly run out of money, justify this pay rise? Or is it a case of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?
Name: norlarnen
Email: norlarnen@nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 11:38:46 AM
To the previous entry that would like the "Norfolk Islander" Newspaper to be online. -------------Dont bother, all you get is the opinion of the "joint editor" DG who is a Government hater. It is a shame that his partner JS (who is accepted here as a local person, lived here for many years and also has a lot better understanding of Norfolk and its ways) does not take over this role of editor so that we could have some constructive comments instead of DG's opinion to the topics of which he has had little experience. I believe that the Norfolk Islander newspaper is a lot to blame for the image that has been portrayed of Norfolk Island.========== Gone are the days when Tommy Loyd gave Norfolk Island a paper that was appreciated by the community. Food for thought, did you notice the increase in price to $2.50 when it was an obvious fact that sales of the Norfolk Islander would increase because of the current political environment.
Name: Bonnie
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 11:22:45 AM
Thanks for that information re Amy Bathie, will send her a letter.
Name: DFB
Email: lubbeeucklun@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 09:59:02 AM
Bonnie - Amie Bathie has been a permanent patient in the Norfolk Island Hospital for some time now. You may like to write to her c/- Norfolk Island Hospital, PO Box 94, Norfolk Island 2899 or phone +6723 22091. I hope this assists you.
Name: Food for thought..
Email: chewonthis@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Time: 09:09:55 AM
Be the change that you want to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi
Name: politbureau
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 09:18:19 PM
What's happening in your Government at the moment, obviously there wasn't a spill of positions - are they protecting their golden goose as long as they can as the can keep dipping into the money pot. So sorry for all the innocent Norfolk Islanders who are going to be very hurt but what is going to happen. Only hope the Government won't put your Administrator in to form Government and take a place on the bench. He's been in that position in the Northern Territory so watch out I say ... maybe that is the plot to let him stay permanently in a cushy job seeing he is a Liberal Party appointee (jobs for the boys) after politics.
Name: Hypo Crit
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 05:49:23 PM
Well done Sad Case...you have just joined the club with your own posting..! Do you now consider yourself a sad case??? Now you've had your say...hope you feel better as well! There is a reason for the password...you "Sad Case" must realise this??? There is a site for those to visit who visit for other reasons and that site is free of a password...you have contributed as your right to and I say good on you!
Name: Bonnie
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 04:36:39 PM
Can anyone inform me as to the address for Amy Bathie, she is not listed in your phone book? I haven't heard from her for some time and wonder if she is okay. Thanks Bonnie
Name: Sad Cases
Email: @sydney
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 04:28:10 PM
Blah blah blah. What pathetic contributions and a turn off for all potential visitors. You poor buggers is all I can say!
Name: nodarbored
Email: airhead.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 04:06:19 PM
couldn't agree more ,hypo,need to vent, its healthy and there aren't many other places you can speak your mind without fear of retribution.bring on more public debate!
Name: Hypo Crit
Email: Here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 02:31:44 PM
I agree - I disagree...the only reason people turn to the forum is to be able to vent their anger and get something off their chests...boring to you maybe...the problems here on Norfolk Island are real and one sometimes finds it easier to cope with if they can get it off their chests and speak their mind albeit under the guise of an anon name...the forum is passworded so that if you choose to log in you choose to accept all that is posted...if you don't like the postings don't visit! Norfolk Island is in a real mess regardless of other poor countries and unforunates...that will always be...like your posting is no different to anyone elses???? you have had your say now I have had mine!
Name: I agree
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 March 2006
Time: 08:48:08 AM
I have to agree with the previous post. People here on the rock [and off shore] are so bloody negative and disgruntled. Get a life yorlye and grow up. Stop and consider the problems of the world - homeless kids, the hungry, the poor, the starving etc etc. Norfolk Island isn't the only country with problems. This forum is a damn disgrace to the ISP and NIG for allowing it. Again - grow up and get a life yorlye and stop being so bloody simple.
Name: hopeless
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 05 March 2006
Time: 07:16:16 PM
This forum is becoming quite boring - time to start up some topics of interest, not more of this rubbish of recent posts.
Name: to thehiddenelect
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 March 2006
Time: 02:23:13 PM
Comments WHAT IS THE ADDRESS SO I AM ABLE TO READ SUCH ARTICLES. WOULD BE GREATFUL FOR ANY HELP. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo they were on xtraMSN about 2-3 years ago, they are old now, and probably archived still in their system, contact xtraMSN or the Happi Foundation to get the story, Greg Chappell was part of the story
Name: thehiddenelect
Email: asprevious@nids
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 March 2006
Time: 06:21:09 PM
WHAT IS THE ADDRESS SO I AM ABLE TO READ SUCH ARTICLES. WOULD BE GREATFUL FOR ANY HELP.
Name: Dear Hidden Neglect - about Sir Grant Cardno
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 March 2006
Time: 02:25:44 PM
Dear Hidden Neglect, that sounds just like the MSNxtra articles about the Happi Foundation. Sir Grant made several claims of innocence and promised to prove himself, but then never came up with the evidence. All scammers are alike. ................................................................................................................................Name: thehiddenelectEmail: as@previous.com Country: Choose Country Date: Saturday, 04 March 2006 Time: 09:58:52 AM Comments TO REPLEY TO THE QUESTION DID I GET A REPLY FOR SIR CARDNO. THE ANSWER IS NO!
Name: kaneg
Email: kg@au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 04 March 2006
Time: 11:35:51 AM
Shame your local newspaper is not online, we in Australia would love to access the political news and feedbacks. Not much leaks out to the Australian papers. Have you thought of putting details of latests news somewhere on this site? Perhaps someone can keep us up with the latest happenings on Norfolk, so we can indulge in discussion on this forum.
Name: thehiddenelect
Email: as@previous.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 March 2006
Time: 09:58:52 AM
TO REPLEY TO THE QUESTION DID I GET A REPLY FOR SIR CARDNO. THE ANSWER IS NO!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 March 2006
Time: 03:52:32 PM
Nice to see the flight from Brisbane to Norfolk leaving with a full load tomorrow morning - although it only carry's 98 passengers.
Name: webcam
Email: nopic@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 March 2006
Time: 02:51:47 PM
NIDS, what's the latest with the webcam? Is it going to come back again, online soon?
Name: unimpressed voter
Email: mybiz@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 March 2006
Time: 11:53:22 AM
maybe something to do with the voting system which could be perceived as very corruptable...(sorry spelling police if i have made any mistakes!)
Name: Whywhinge
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 09:07:14 PM
Why are you all having a go on this forum, you should have been revolting all these years these guys have been in local government, how come they still kept getting back in time after time. Maybe their families were rounding up the votes from those that favours had been done. Your Government has been rotten to the core so why didn't you kick them out????
Name: unemployed builder
Email: woodenbox.box
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 08:48:50 PM
and who would organise the consultants?
Name: kavhaish
Email: ish@freckles.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 07:32:11 PM
dont forget the new kahva paint code.........green or.......green.......or.........!$!
Name: sand castle
Email: norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 02:05:34 PM
and thats after they have asked Aussie for approval to build it
Name: nah
Email: asdf@asdf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 11:23:33 AM
that won't work because they wouldn't be able to agree on what shape the sand castle should be, how big it would be and how long it would be to obtain a suitable permit
Name: inspector gadgets freckle
Email: moreyourstyle.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 09:28:19 AM
"Commonwealth takeover will ruin Norfolk"-chief minister, loal paper, is nothing more than slander and fear mongering by the person who has already led norfolk into financial ruin, time to move over and spend more time gardening , or perhaps it would be safer for all if took the finance minister down to emily bay and whittled your time away building sand castles........
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 06:27:57 AM
does anybody know if our minister for finance actually answered the question posed to him in an earlier mla meeting regarding the disgusting pay rise given to the ACTING ceo while the rest of the island is struggling under the governments financial incentives?
Name: re: "TO SIR CARDNO" message from "Hiddenelect"
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 March 2006
Time: 02:04:38 AM
Hidden, did you ever get a response to your message below? Name: TO SIR CARDNO Email: hiddenelect@yahoo.com Country: New_Zealand Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 Time: 09:10:32 PM Comments ARE YOU A FRAUD,I WILL SHORTLY EMAIL YOU. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS DEAL. YOU KNOW ME YOU MARRIED ME TO MY WIFE. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU CANT SPELL. WHAT IS UP WITH YOUR DEAL. I LOOKED UP TO YOU. FOR A VERY LONG TIME. IS IT TRUE THAT YOU HAVE DONE THIS STUFF. AND IF NOT, WHY IS YOUR NAME ALL OVER THE NET,IE ;HYIP I NEED SOME MONEY.COM. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE FROM YOU. I WILL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHO I AM. MY NAME IS DARREN YATES. I AM HURT BY ALL OF THIS. YES MY WIFE AND I ARE STILL MARRIED,WE HAVE 4 CHILDREN 3 GIRLS AND THE LATEST ADDISTION IS A BOY. ACORRODINGLY WAS NAMED ISAAC AS WE LOVE THAT NAME. ANYWAY ALL OF THE ABOVE IS DONE IN LOVE. I AM DOING MY PILOT LICENCE LIKE ANDY. COOL AY. JESUS IS ALIVE, BOY!!! GOD IS GOOD!!!
Name: Hear Hear
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 01 March 2006
Time: 07:46:18 PM
I couldn't agree more. For goodness sakes move on forward and leave the past behind. The negativity on this forum is unbelievable.
Name: Getonwithit
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 01 March 2006
Time: 07:25:06 PM
Put it all behind you folks, move on for the sake of your community. All this negative posting will not make one bit of difference. Spend your energy making things better for Norfolk - comments in Australian paper may have offended if that is the case why didn't you do something as soon as it went to print? Its time there was full island input on what is next, you all have got the right to express your wishes to those in office - get off your bums and make Norfolk what it used to be, the best place on earth.
Name: ipineforNorfolk
Email: ipineforNorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 10:43:42 PM
That article in The Sydney Morning Herald is obviously written wothout experience, knowledge, thought, research and maturity. Let's face it, how many people have come from a back-ground free of wrong doing's, violence or war? How many countries or islands have as low a crime rate as Norfolk? How many contries or islands could run an investigation like the one that was run on Norfolk and be completely free of suspects? The really funny thing is that some of the people on the list of interest were only on it because of an association or relationship with the victim. Some of them were totally innocent of any crime. What I really want to know is; what would he have written if the same crime had been committed in England, Spain, France, Russia, Germany, Australia or America etc? I strongly believe that the person who wrote it should be embarrassed. Do Australians or any other race of people dwell on the bad parts of their history or do they celebrate the good and at least admit the bad? By the way, what is the history and the gene pool of the British Monarchy? I feel sorry for the person who wrote the article. Not only does he have to live with the embarrassment of total lack of knowledge and his ignorance for the rest of his life, but he could'nt even work out which people on Norfolk are owed an apology. First of all are the people on the list who have never committed a crime and one in particular. Then there are the people who kept on thinking and feeling over and over "Please don't let it be one of us, I ca'nt cope with the thought that one of us could have done something like that". Next would be the people who suddenly could no longer leave their doors and windows open or just sit on the beach alone at night just for some peace and quiet. Then there would be the people who lost their business, job or living due to a fall in tourism. What about the hideous and hurtfull accusations levelled at most islanders, including the respected elders, grandparents and innocent children, that the islanders were covering up to protect one of their own? (Protecting and aiding the murderer). I could go on and on. Last are the people that this perfect person from his perfect gene pool and perfect history offended and hurt by writing his senseless article. I would like to point out that included in this unique history is the fact that when Mayhew Folger of The Topaz discovered the islanders ancestors he realised at that time, after being left to their own devices, they had become good, honest, clean, well educated people.
Name: worm
Email: worm@agardendowntown
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 09:03:45 PM
Re:the previous entry, You should have said "im sorry for being such a "LYING" tool and leading Norfolk through this disasterous chain of events....
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 04:08:57 PM
In 1948 Dr Herbert Vere Evatt of Australia was elected President of the General Assembly of the United Nations. There he witnessed the passing of the landmark Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a document which, along with the UN Charter itself, he had worked extremely hard to achieve. The General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights on December 10, 1948; Article 7, of which declared: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ARTICLE SEVEN: "All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any **__incitement__** to such discrimination." cf.http://www.un.org/rights/50/decla.htm ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ SO HOW IS IT, THAT WELL OVER HALF A CENTURY LATER, CERTAIN MEDIA ELITES, LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS & HOLDERS OF HIGH POLITICAL OFFICE IN AUSTRALIA, CAN ADOPT AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT MODUS OPERANDI, THE PREMISE: "THE DARKIES MUSTA DUNNIT" ERGO "SQUEEZE EM ALL, TILL THEY SPIT OUT WHICH ONE EM DUNNIT" ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ At the World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance at Durban S.A., from 31 August - 8 September 2001, the Australian Gov't rep. made the following statement: “Australia is unequivocal in its opposition to racism in all its forms and is committed to strong action at all levels to combat it, both domestically and internationally, and this was reflected in the approach we took to this World Conference." ...REALLY? cf. http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/race/index.htm ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ For the benefit of the non-australasian observers to this Forum; please be aware that, unlike the Unites States, Australia does not have any CONSTITUTIONAL protection of human rights; nor does it have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms like that of Canada; nor is it part of a binding regional human rights framework, like that of the United Kingdom and European countries. The core UN human rights treaties, in combination with the constitutional power to make laws to implement these treaties, provide the basis for ALL of Australia’s national human rights legislation. For example, Australia’s High Court has recently ruled that despite international treaty obligations being in conflict, indefinite detention of failed asylum seekers is lawful. Where a domestic law is in conflict with the human rights standards in the international treaties to which it is a signatory (viz. just about all), the domestic law applies and there is no remedy other than that of world opinion, domestic campaigns for reform; or perhaps more importantly, the combination of both.
Name: Norfolker Vilification
Email: nfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 11:27:57 AM
Re the SMH article, herewith a response from the Attorney General's Dept in Canberra:- The Commonwealth Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (RDA) makes it unlawful to discriminate against any person by reason of that person's race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin, in a number of areas including access to places and facilities, the provision of goods and services, employment and advertisements. The RDA also prohibits offensive behaviour based on racial hatred, that is, racial vilification. Racial vilification covers acts that offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate a person or groups of people. The prohibition is subject to a number of exemptions intended to permit free debate on matters of legitimate public interest, thereby ensuring an appropriate balance between freedom of expression and the protection from racially offensive behaviour. The RDA Act applies to every external territory of Australia, meaning that the racial vilification provisions of the RDA will apply to Norfolk Island. It would be inappropriate for the Attorney-General's Department, or the Attorney-General, to comment on an individual case. However, if you think that you may belong to a racial group that has been the target of vilification, you may wish to bring a complaint to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. You may also contact the Commission for more information. The Commission can be contacted at: Level 8, Piccadilly Tower 133 Castlereagh Street SYDNEY NSW 2000 Telephone: (02) 9284 9600 Complaints Infoline: 1300 656 419 After receiving a complaint the Commission will first attempt to conciliate the complaint. If the conciliation is unsuccessful the complainant may commence legal proceedings regarding the complaint in the Federal Magistrates Court or the Federal Court. You may also consider that you have a ground of complaint under State or Territory racial vilification legislation. In this case you may wish to complain to the anti-discrimination body in the appropriate State or Territory. As well as being bound by the racial hatred provisions of the RDA and by racial and religious vilification laws in States and Territories, each of the media sectors has its own form of self regulation which allows members of the public to make complaints about certain issues to the relevant industry body. Complaints about racially offensive reporting in newspapers or magazines may be directed to the Australian Press Council, which is the self-regulatory body of the print media. Complaints to the Press Council are treated as being against the publication, not an individual. Whether an act amounts to vilification on one of the grounds prohibited by the RDA, or whether an individual or group is being targeted because of their race, colour, national or ethnic origin, will depend upon the circumstances of the case and would ultimately be for a court to determine. Whether any broadcaster or print media has breached an industry code of practice will be a decision for the appropriate regulatory body.
Name: ucklan
Email: uckland@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 11:05:37 AM
Hear Hear Pouri!!!!.....
Name: Pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 10:52:17 AM
What really shits me is ignoramus like the previous entry who really have no idea what happens down town. People only see the outcomes and not the processes that happen in formulating these decisions. I tell you that I dont envy the MLAs because they have to put up with a lot of ignorant shit like the previous entry and they get very little thanx. Blind freddy can see that the Australian government has no interest in Norfolk sullen and more so want to secure Norfolk for its fishing deep sea, oil and strategic location. I say that we palm them off unless they want to really help in a useful way. There is a whole history of Australian Gov policy that has stifled Norfolk from the beginning, and if you dont agree then I suggest that you start researching it as well as other things to do with Norfolk and Australia
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Time: 05:15:55 AM
to who es de fulla: We have all seen that article in the Sydney Morning Herald - really degrades the SMH in my view - suggest letter of protest to the SMH - if you dont like it...pleny ucklan se.......
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 27 February 2006
Time: 06:12:55 PM
who is de fulla -- it has been generally sort of agreed, not to discuss the "Murder Case" on the forum so as not to predudice the proceedings. No offence mate.
Name: who es de fulla
Email: he_ca_do@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 27 February 2006
Time: 01:06:09 PM
What do yorle thing of this article that appeared in the Sydney Herald on the 11th feb? "Why Norfolk Island's gene pool brimmed with suspects" The man charged with Janelle Patton's murder flies to Sydney today. His arrest clears Norfolk Islanders of her murder, but it vindicates them of nothing, writes Stephen Gibbs. NORFOLK Islanders like to live in the past, the further back the better. They claim a romantic heritage filled with swashbuckling ancestors who were courageous, resourceful and peace-loving. In reality, the islanders are descendants of treacherous fugitives from justice who would have hanged if their morally corrupted community had been discovered before all but one of the men was murdered in a bloodbath of jealousy, greed and lust. The police who investigated the murder of Janelle Patton on Easter Sunday 2002 did not encounter the Norfolk Island of the tourist brochures, but a dysfunctional society shaped by two centuries of secrecy, violence and illicit sex. Four days after Ms Patton's murder they stepped into a shallow gene pool bobbing with suspects. And that is what most of the persons of interest were: suspects. If police could arrest suspects on hunches, several of them would have been locked up on sight. Among the suspects were a man accused of pulling Ms Patton's hair at the leagues club, a man with whom she described sex as "not rape, but not what I wanted", a twice-married man known as "a consumate womaniser", a man police said had to be spoken to about preying on women and another man known to stalk women. They want to know when they will get an apology. The answer is never. Ms Patton's own diary entries, included in the police brief tendered during four days of coronial inquest in June 2004, provide an outsider's perspective of islanders, particularly some of the men. June 18, 2001: "Jap down for tea & spat on me." [There was evidence that Ms Patton had harassed Jap after their relationship broke down.] October 19, 2001: "Spoke to Jap (f---wit). Found out he's been rooting Robyn & has been since Kurt's b'day … Told me he's my first enemy on Norfolk." January 29, 2002: "Went to Francis's for a coffee .. Saw Bucket @ Foodies - invited me out to tea (Chicken & salad). Basically only wanted a root so I left." Some islanders talk of vindication. Their noses are out of joint over the investigative process, particularly the naming during a coronial inquest in June 2004 of the 16 persons of interest to police. They should not be. That list was not exhaustive. Neither was the list of possible motives Detective Sergeant Bob Peters read to the coroner. This is that list in the order Peters read it out: * Premeditated attack on Janelle Patton with the intent of causing her bodily harm as a result of some past grievance; * Premeditated approach to Janelle Patton with the intention of persuading her from taking some form of, as yet unknown, action with no initial intent of causing her harm; The next three suggested motives were the same, but couched in terms the attack or approach was "opportunistic"; two further suggested motives were premeditated or opportunistic attack "on an available female" with the intent of committing an offence of a sexual nature, or with the intent of causing her bodily harm. The last was "concealment of a separate offence or incident". In forming a list of persons of interest, Sergeant Peters told the coroner, detectives had sought to identify anyone who may have been involved in a relationship or dispute with Patton. They then tried to establish whether that provided motivation to kill her. "Similar inquires have been conducted in respect of people who have been nominated as having a sexual interest in Janelle Patton or who were alleged to have the propensity for physical or sexual attacks on women or who had allegedly displayed anti-social behaviour towards women in the past," Sergeant Peters said. There was no shortage of either. Calls for an apology to Norfolk Island following the arrest of a New Zealander over Ms Patton's murder ignore the fact the great bulk of rumour and innuendo about her alleged killer came from islanders. Sergeant Peters told the coroner that police "were inundated with calls offering assistance, information, advice, reported sightings of Janelle and reports of suspicious activities and people". Even without finding forensic or factual evidence linking any person of interest with Ms Patton's murder sufficient to bring a prosecution, police felt they had good reason to name the 16 persons of interest. There were at least half a dozen others they could have named. Glenn McNeill, the man charged this week with her murder, was never one of them.
Name: Braveheart
Email: @nids4service
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 27 February 2006
Time: 09:20:26 AM
My family has been with both service providers for email since availability BUT from now on its NIDS, although we may not have extreme email load, it certainly is the case that the majority of emails from TELECON (not mispselt) is SPAM (Specifically Porn Aided Materials) and giving me the shi##'s, especially when the kids see the first line or so then ask questions. To the Manager of TELECON (now theres a whole new story), where is our firewall for this junk mail or is it just let through so we get charged dial up & down load, if NIDS can do it then why can't TELECON. To NIDS great service keep it up & thank you, to TELECON surely you can fix the problem if not let someone else in that can and one that is not affraid of competion.
Name: SAVE it
Email: dontwastetime@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 26 February 2006
Time: 01:58:43 PM
I emailed Grant and he never responded, so I would aver - save your energy, don't waste your time emailing He just says he will.
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 26 February 2006
Time: 09:35:24 AM
to Pouri - I car agree with you more...... Norfolk probably nor even in de mind!!!
Name: Nor larnen
Email: Anaire@Norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 25 February 2006
Time: 07:07:04 PM
Thank you very much Grayeme:)
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 25 February 2006
Time: 12:23:22 PM
Yesterdays hearing http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18257721%255E29277,00.html
Name: Nor larnen
Email: Anaire@Norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 25 February 2006
Time: 09:18:47 AM
HAS ANYONE HEARD HOW THE MURDERER'S COURT HEARING WENT YESTERDAY? IS IT IN THE PAPER?
Name: pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 25 February 2006
Time: 08:22:25 AM
what a joke. I think that the point of loppys motion was purely self interest, just as the rest of the meeting was. It was purely time wasting when they should be uniting in a time of crisis. It has proven to me that his own self interest is more important than Norfolks interests. His motion wasnt going to help norfolk in the slightest.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 25 February 2006
Time: 06:28:59 AM
I still say that it is time to stop talking .......... "Morla el do!" Well, guess what..it won't do anymore!
Name: another point of view
Email: norfolkforum@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 February 2006
Time: 08:34:09 PM
What a joke I think you may have missed the point of Loppy's motion. I don't think he thought it would get legs but it did force the other six to justify why they should stay in considering they are not serving us well. He was basically saying put yourself back up for re-election and if the public votes you back in, then you have public confidence and keep on doing what you are doing. But it seems they didn't have the guts to do it.
Name: dee n daa
Email: yahoo@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 24 February 2006
Time: 02:40:34 PM
If rural and regional Australia is anything to go by, then don't expect much in the way of service provision in return for paying taxes on Norfolk! You see, in Australia, its all about profit, not providing a service (Telstra as a case in point). All I can say is that you must fight tooth and nail for the least change possible! I can't see life getting cheaper or easier for Norfolk under Australian dominance cos the Island locals' mentality (ie quality of life before profit and money) is not compatible with Howard's Australia. Think very carefully through the options available and treat everything with suspicion.
Name: Kelly Christian
Email: kachristian@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 February 2006
Time: 02:31:33 PM
Hi all, as most of you know I now live in Adelaide & love it. However I just help employ a new person where I work & it turned out to be Jenna Kerr (part of the Robinson family) anyway she wanted to ring Wayde Robinson to wish him happy birthday & was trying to find is phone number (without much luck). Can any one help??? Thanks Kell P.S. Hi to everyone.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 24 February 2006
Time: 01:02:13 PM
Wonderful words of wisdom in the previous four posts. However re. "Australian Government Decision to Change Norfolk Island's Governance Arrangements" ...perhaps it would be wise to get it's own house in order FIRST. The text of the Australian Constitution was originally a 'schedule' to the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900; or, formally, "An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia", ie. an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. In this regard the late Professor G. Clements (an eminent UK QC and Emeritus Professor in Law at Cambridge) has commented thus: "The continued usage of the Australian Constitution Act (UK) by the Australian Governments and the judiciary is a confidence trick of monstrous proportions played upon the Australian people with the intent of maintaining power. It remains an Act of the United Kingdom. After joining the League of Nations in 1919 Australia became a sovereign nation. It had no further legal power to use, alter or otherwise tamper with another nation's legislation. Authority over the Australian Constitution Act lies not with the Australian government nor with the Australian people, it rests solely with the UK. Only they have the authority to repeal this legislation .... In other words, The Australian Constitution is United Kingdom law. In "An Act to Constitute the Commonwealth of Australia", the 9th clause of which is usually referred to as the Constitution was, is, and remains conditional upon the first 8 clauses of that Act, a current Act of domestic law of the United Kingdom Parliament. [cf.http://australianpolitics.port5.com/ib_ac.html ] Under Section 128 of Clause 9 minor alterations to the Constitution may be made by the Australian people. However, the Australian people may not alter, in any way, Clauses 1 to 8. In short, the Australian people DO NOT have ultimate control over the Australian Constitution. In mid July 1995 the Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain, in answer to a Parliamentary question asked in the UK Parliament about the Australian Constitution, stated: "The British Constitution Act 1900 was for self government. It was never intended to be and is not suitable to be the basis for independence. The right to repeal this Act remains the sole prerogative of the United Kingdom. There is no means by which under United Kingdom or international law this power can be transferred to a foreign country or Member State of the United Nations. Indeed, the United Nations Charter precludes any such action." [cf."By better understanding the past we better understand future options." http://www.newstates.net/newstate2.htm ] ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ By the way; in the 1920s, Norfolk’s only electronic communication with the outside world was via the Pacific cable. Newsworthy events offshore were cabled to the Island & the cables were pinned to a pine tree at a central crossroad.(Channers Corner?) People gathered eagerly to read the news and the tree became known as the "TREE OF KNOWLEDGE". Perhaps the Norfolk Island Government should consider reviving this tradition based on the following groupware solution: http://www.phpbb.com/index.php
Name: Food_for_thought
Email: chew_on_this@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 24 February 2006
Time: 10:58:35 AM
Know also that wisdom is sweet to your soul; if you find it, there is a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 24 February 2006
Time: 08:53:07 AM
I have to ask a question to the readers & writers to this forum. Does anyone see what is happening to the rest of the world? Australians are experiencing floods, bushfires & heat waves, loss of employment & in spite of the fact Auatralia has spent $80 million on an advertising campaign Tourist numbers are the lowest ever! I grew up on the east coast of Australia & was amazed at how much the whole coast now depends on the tourist dollar. World wide there are natural disasters happening consistantly landslides. extreme temperatures, cyclones, etc..most resulting in an enormous loss of life & affecting the worlds economy. There are the terrorist attacks..shall I go on?! Then we have Norfolk..hmmm..not much wrong here in comparison! The only difference I can see is the rest of the world is not sitting back, they are getting on with it. Norfolk... it is time to "get on with it"! Those of you with 2 or more Government jobs throw the extras into the ring for others needing work! Except pay cuts, introduce rosters to ellimate over-time, intoduce part-time work, introduce work for welfare. cut expenses at home....lets's face it.."How much is enough". I really can't see that Norfolk has that much to complain about!
Name: Hopeful
Email: Norfolkersarevaluable
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 11:43:11 PM
The new Norfolk government. In Australia yesterday, it was reported and alleged that some workers at a reasonably sized company in Australia were trying to get better work conditions and secure their families futures with a not unrealistic request to their employers. The workers were told by their employers that a number of Chinese staff who just happened to be in training at the same company at that time were going to take over their jobs due to the dispute and apparently they are going to take their jobs. These Chinese workers had visas which stated that they could take jobs that no Australian could fill. This is not a one off case by a long shot. Loads of Australian jobs are being outsourced to workers in other countries while there are many unemployed Australians. Australian farmers are going broke because of the amount of foreign fruit, vegetables and meat being imported. Is this the government that you want "LOOKING AFTER YOU"? How and why will they look after you? The same way they are looking after their own Australian people? What a joke. Norfolk is paradise and if it is not too late I would peacefully fight to my last breath. It is not just an island, it is the Norfolk Island race of people and one of the last places on the planet with any freedom left that is at risk. Tell that to the U.N and also MAKE the Australian government prove that they own Norfolk. By the way, do they owe money to Norfolk for leasing out their fishing grounds? I am not sure as I can't access the appropriate paperwork if it is true and if it exists. I have read or heard somewhere that Australia claims that it has the right because Norfolk can’t afford to patrol the waters itself. It is a well-known fact that Australia can’t adequately patrol and protect it's own waters either, so how the hell are they suppose to patrol Norfolks? Yes, Norfolk has a problem but at least at the moment its people have a voice. If the islanders allow the island to be taken, then no islander will have a voice, instead islanders will be just more Australians with NO SAY and NO CHOICE about anything unless you can, on your own and totally by yourself, with no help from even one other human being, arrange an appointment for yourself to have a chat with The Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard. Now what do you think your chances of that are? Not quite like trying to talk to Geoff Gardner or any other Chief Minister of Norfolk. Come on, your not stupid Norfolk. You might be sick and tired but you’re not stupid enough to give your home and your power away to the Australian Government who do not even look after their own people. The Norfolk government have faces you see in the street every day. The Australian government are just UNSEEN, UNACCESSABLE POLITICIANS WHO CONTROL YOUR LIFE.
Name: dodo
Email: dodo@here.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 07:39:42 PM
It is almost funny to see that there are some who mention 'when Aussie takes over' in their submissions. For those who are not aware, Aussie took away self government in 1897 and has been 'running' the island ever since. More so when the Order in Coucil in the early 20th century. One just needs to check the arguments that the Government has used over the years that it is the administration of the Territory. So, to 'take over' really doersn't mean anything. But interestingly, if they intend to resume certain functions as has been reported, like immigration customs and quarantine, these are already powers controlled by the Commonwealth. So what does that mean? It does not appear to be linked to Norfolk's so-called 'financial struggle' as a reason to 'take-over does it? Or does it? What does it cost to run those functions on the island? Well, to start with, customs is one of the island's mainstay money raisers. So, there goes 4 - 5 million a year out of the coffers. Considering that is over a third of Norfolk's revenue, that seems to be an unusual way to assist the island. So are there any 'things' that they will reduce the burden on us (the taxpayers) that they will assit with or take away from our control. If so, will they include our mosy expensive commodities like welfare? education? the airport?. One has to assume that the answer is yes. A submission from 'Aussie' quoted funding that Australia pays to the island but didn't make it clear that funding for the Cascade Cliff project which was a joint project between the two governments was done by way of a loan to the island (interest free) for a project that was on Crown land. The airport is a similar case. (I can't remember if she included the airport as a loan. Now that loan is interest free (I believe) but is not free of conditions. Check them out. They are not easy. Having said all that, the submissions on the Forum are interesting. In 1975 the Royal Commissioner was siad to have said that the difficulty with this community is that there are so many diverse views on what should happen to the island. It seems that the same problem lives on. Whilst many blame the Government or the administration or each other in the community, you could be missing just exactly what could be happening here. Whatever happens, we will all feel the effects one way of the other. There is always a reaction to an action. But who is it that keeps saying that the 'island is broke'? It certainly hasn't fared well in the past 12 months due to our passenger traffic but if you look at the financial statements for the past two financial years, it's not a horror story. And you may be feeling the pinch if you are directly in the frontline of tourism or further down the line. But are you right? How does that compare to open immigration? How does your job look if that was to happen, or your business if ten others can start up next door. That's not saying that that's what will happen, but then.... The other side of the coin is that there will need to have representation in Canberra once we are taxed so who shall we send? Think about it.
Name: who's hungry
Email: notme@godhelpusall
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 06:13:50 PM
Does this mean that Norfolk will now get Mcdonalds and KFC??? Hoep nort 'f' all uwus saek.
Name:
Email: demesssadcase.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 12:42:06 PM
Naaah........none of 'em have the balls to do it and that is just one of the reasons Australia has stepped in. Let's see how far the boys and girls go with 'bullshitting' to them. Guess what??? not far at all 'cos the Minister and his party aren't stupid.
Name:
Email: demesssadcase.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 12:41:18 PM
Naaah........none of 'em have the balls to do it and that is just one of the reasons Australia has stepped in. Let's see how far the boys and girls go with 'bullshitting' to them. Guess what??? not far at all 'cos the Minister and his party aren't stupid.
Name:
Email: getridofthemanagers@admin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 11:51:29 AM
maybe the chief minister and finance minister could show how serious they are about saving NI some money by cancelling the $6000 pay rise given recently to one staff member while the rest of admins workers and the public struggle under the current financial climate
Name: geoff........hope you are a good gardener
Email: ronniesdaycare@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 11:23:24 AM
cant beleive the gov. hasnt learnt a thing by the norfolk jet fiasco, and are now spending the last of our cash on legal fees to try to shut down nids. somebody should freeze all public moneys and expenditure until we can get someone in there how can handle it responsibly..........sack the pricks!!!
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 09:44:17 AM
niacin,if your going to name names such as sandra, keep going and name them all cause there are are a hell of a lot more than her.
Name: Roxanne
Email: @norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 08:25:35 AM
Funny how we all see things differently?! I listened to the Assembly Meeting yesterday & I got the feeling that Mr Brown & Co. were, using bullying tactics with Mrs Jack the main target. My interpretation of what was happening was 2 Assembly members were trying to demolish the already shaky foundations & control the meeting. I was impressed that at least 6 Members stuck together & weren't intimidated by these tactics..I'm hoping it is a sign of better things to come! Just a thought!
Name: GetRidOfAdmin.com
Email: GetRidOfAdmin.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 08:20:58 AM
yes there is a standover mafia Just look at what they are trying to do to NIDS.
Name: What a Joke
Email: joke.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 06:47:18 AM
Egg in face to Loppy. It didn't even get off the ground. The Assembly is still alive and kicking - but thank goodness Brown has no powers. His pecuniary interests are still there though as can be imagined and don't forget he and Loppy are still in each others pockets. Come on Aussie - you know what to do and let's hope the next visit from the Grants Commission will take note of their pecuniary interests and act on it real firm. A copy of the Commonwealth Grants Commission is on the NIG site. Worth a read.
Name:
Email: beware@admin
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2006
Time: 06:41:03 AM
cant understand: unfortunately yes there is a standover mafia type group on Norfolk, they run the administration. anybody who stands up to them or questions them in any way gets plastered with lies and veiled threats to either toe the line or get out. Plenty of people have chosen the latter due to the stress that they are under from these people. There is a boys club that operates within the admin, all people who have been there for years and who think they are above the administrations rules of conduct. If Oz wants to improve the lot for Norfolk they should look at getting rid of these pricks first
Name: TO SIR CARDNO
Email: hiddenelect@yahoo.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 09:10:32 PM
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Name: Onya
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 08:46:52 PM
Could it be that the Chief Minister is worried about losing his control, his pay packet and all the kickbacks. He seems to be in a big panic according to papers, and now wants to take the matter to the United Nations. Should have thought of that when they were plundering the finances of the island.
Name: Onya
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 08:42:58 PM
Go Loppy ..... if you've got the guts to pull it off go for it. A last ditch effort to oust those responsible for Norfolk woes could be the last chance to get them out of their positions forever. Everyone has to take a stand as dem es the ones se stuff up in a big way.
Name: oz
Email: oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 08:41:04 PM
http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1575428.htm
Name: oz
Email: oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 08:35:53 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/push-for-norfolk-poll-in-christians-polite-mutiny/2006/02/21/1140284067804.html http://smh.com.au/news/National/Island-way-to-be-lost-on-Norfolk/2006/02/22/1140563844269.html
Name: Aussie
Email: @Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 08:14:44 PM
Hi all, Well the arrival of Mr Jim Lloyd seems to have stirred up a hornets nest. Talk of revolting etc will do nothing except prove that what Canberra have in mind is the right course. Of course the federal goverment has a preferred option for Norfolk and will implement it with or without public approval. Public consultation is a good way for Governments to impliment what they like and try to fool the public into believing there comments have been taken on board. As for taxes, I guess I don't really understand your concern as I have had to pay taxes all my life, but as a business owner myself I can assure you that the GST is not the horror you seem to imagine. Sure there was an expense setting up my business to implement it but apart from that and some extra book keeping it actually helps me keep track of my cashflow. Managed correctly you can even make it work for you.How? You collect the GST but don't have to pay it for up to three months, set up an investment account and gain interest from the money untill you pay it to the Govt. Besides that the Federal Govt doesn't get anything from the GST because every cent is paid back to the States. This means that all the GST collected on Norfolk from locals and tourists alike will be given back to Norfolk ( creating a cashflow like you have never known)maybe like Queensland and western Australia you may qualify to get back more than you actually collect. Income tax is a fact of life unfortunately but it is necessary to pay for pensions, child care benefits etc etc which you have never had. Besides whatever happens it will be phased in slowly. This will allow you time to adjust. If you will allow me to put in my two cents worth, I'd say start looking at what you want to keep control of and how you would like the changes (once you find out for sure which way the Federal Government is going to go )implemented and then make a joint submission to the relevant parties. A large number of people wanting the same outcomes will be received in a more positive light, than a number of splinter groups. How you are going to achieve this I don't know. But beware of self interest groups hijacking this process, they are very good at getting what is best for them. it is obvious to the simpliest layman that Norfolk is in financial trouble and will need to make major changes to survive, but like a Phoenix rising from the ashes, if you all work together you will have a stronger and better Island community.
Name: Can'tunderstand
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 07:50:50 PM
What fear? Don't tell me there is a standover mafia over there who threaten anyone who speak up against them. If that's the case then its high time the Australian Government took over the control of the island. That way everyone is in the same boat, getting taxed on what wages they earn. The more they earn the more tax is taken fair enough? Will remain to be seen whether the crooks living over there to avoid tax and other things make a quick exit off the island. Might I say the island would be better off without them.
Name: Can'tunderstand
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 07:50:23 PM
What fear? Don't tell me there is a standover mafia over there who threaten anyone who speak up against them. If that's the case then its high time the Australian Government took over the control of the island. That way everyone is in the same boat, getting taxed on what wages they earn. The more they earn the more tax is taken fair enough? Will remain to be seen whether the crooks living over there to avoid tax and other things make a quik exit off the island. Might I say the island would be better off without them.
Name: Can'tunderstand
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 07:49:28 PM
What fear? Don't tell me there is a standover mafia over there who threaten anyone who speak up against them. If that's the case then its high time the Australian Government took over the control of the island. That way everyone is in the same boat, getting taxed on what wages they earn. The more they earn the more tax is taken fair enough? Will remain to be seen whether the crooks living over there to avoid tax and other things make a qwuik exit off the island. Might I say the island would be better off without them.
Name: answer
Email: atnorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 07:37:14 PM
we have let it go on through fear
Name: Seehowis
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 06:28:12 PM
Thanks to the last post we really get an idea of the rorts that have been going on, no wonder the island is broke. Might I ask why the rest of you the residents who aren't employed by administration, have sat back and let this go on. Revolt this is what you should have done long ago and cut the legs from under those jerks running the island.
Name: Admin
Email: worker
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 05:45:23 PM
I work for Admin, first thing they should do is cut top heavy workers who do almost nothing to collect their pays each fornight.....................second is to open the Provident account to all peoples so it's fair island wide (island super fund).... not just sucking the money (or half) from the other non Admin workers in our community........ thirdly cut the half airfare from Admin workers and their families every two years, or make it fair and treat the whole island to the same lovely little benefits......... FAIR and JUST ..... another cattles cake on the common.
Name: Just do it
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 05:09:34 PM
I say sack the lot of them .....those big heads that have been making decisions that has brought Norfolk Island to its knees. Some have been in charge for too long just feathering their own nests and darn the rest of you. I agree with the previous comments small business is going to suffer big time, just wait ... having to fill in BAS statements for the tax department and all the paper work that goes with running a business now will be treated like Australian businesses. You will be hit with GST as well if not the island will sink in debt.
Name: At the end
Email: Darset@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 04:07:29 PM
I am at the end of my financial strings...how can we support a Local Government that says the answer is to cut jobs and raise fees. There is a greater seperation between income and outflows more than ever. Yes I am a public servant and yes I do believe that the Service has been top heavy and needs to be reviewed, but it is unfortunate that the cuts will be made to the under dog and we will be way beyond the poverty line. No Job No Money. Not once has the Norfolk Island Government given any indication as to what would happen to the unemployed. It is a catch 22 - sack people and lose out in the shops, I certainly wont be able to afford the trip to Foodland and don't ever think about asking me to support raffles or sponsorship I certainly wont be in a position to help! Thanks to the Local Government! I am afraid the whole deal can not be placed squarely on public servants...remember we pay the same fees and bills as the private sector...Todays assembly was the worst I have ever heard and I am afraid they are playing into the Australian Governments hands and losing support from locals big time.
Name: At the end
Email: Darset@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 04:06:20 PM
I am at the end of my financial strings...how can we support a Local Government that says the answer is to cut jobs and raise fees. There is a greater seperation between income and outflows more than ever. Yes I am a public servant and yes I do believe that the Service has been top heavy and needs to be reviewed, but it is unfortunate that the cuts will be made to the under dog and we will be way beyond the poverty line. No Job No Money. Not once has the Norfolk Island Government given any indication as to what would happen to the unemployed. It is a catch 22 - sack people and lose out in the shops, I certainly wont be able to afford the trip to Foodland and don't ever think about asking me to support raffles or sponsorship I certainly wont be in a position to help! Thanks to the Local Government! I am afraid the whole deal can not be placed squarely on public servants...remember we pay the same fees and bills as the private sector...Todays assembly was the worst I have ever heard and I am afraid they are playing into the Australian Governments hands and losing support from locals big time.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 01:14:16 PM
My fellow Norfolk Islanders - whatever future you choose PLEASE ENSURE THAT THERE IS AN ESCAPE CLAUSE in any re-negotiated contractual arrangements with the Commonwealth (eg. in extremis, a return to direct British rule from Whitehall); whichever way you cut it, Australia IS evolving into a Big-Brother Police State ...here's an anecdotal glimpse into the constabulary's mindset towards YOU: http://nisdv.bravehost.com/AFP.html
Name:
Email: boomboxlaws
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 11:51:21 AM
Does anyone have any idea if there were ever any laws passed re. "Boom Boxes" on Norfolk? It would be interesting to know if there has!
Name: Sadie
Email: sad@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 10:25:42 AM
Anyone with any doubts that the Australian government should step in......just turn your radio on and listen to the Assembly Meeting. I am listening to it right now and all I have heard for the last few hours is Ministers paying the "Blame Game". Not a single one of them is looking for solutions or plans for the future. To the people that still think all we need is a financiel injection: honestly, what's the point of receiving a financial injection if the elected members have no idea what to do with it and how to manage it?! Compare it with foreign aid to underdeveloped countries; don't give them money for food, rather TEACH THEM how to grown their own! Go for the LONG TERM RESOLUTIONS, not a quick fix!! We do not have the right people for the right jobs to pull us out of this crisis. If you have any doubts just listen to the next Assembly meeting....
Name: hettae
Email: ya.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 09:20:16 AM
Commonwealth takeover will ruin Norfolk: Chief Minister The Chief Minister of Norfolk Island, Hon Geoff Gardner MLA, has denounced the unilateral decision of the Commonwealth Government to effectively remove self-government from Norfolk Island. “This decision is based on flawed economics, bad politics and blind prejudice,” Mr Gardner said. “Territories Minister Jim Lloyd has shown himself to be a captive of the Canberra bureaucracy, which for many years has resented the Norfolk Island approach which has created an independent and sustainable community on different lines to those followed in mainland Australia”. Mr Gardner said that the sheer hypocrisy of the Commonwealth announcement was almost beyond belief. “The Minister talks about consultation, yet the Commonwealth has reneged on its firm commitment to consult the Norfolk Island Government, and instead has made a series of decisions to remove legislative powers and to effectively run Norfolk Island by remote control from a department in Canberra. The only consultation it is proposing is about how it will implement its heavy-handed decisions. In stark contrast with the New Zealand Government’s approach to its Pacific partners, as illustrated recently in Tokelau, Australia is not proposing that Norfolk Islanders be given a chance to vote on whether they favour the Commonwealth takeover or some other option”. The Chief Minister said that the Commonwealth had totally misunderstood the situation and has misrepresented the scope of the financial challenges facing the Norfolk Island Government. “The significant factor about Norfolk Island is not that its model of governance and development is unsustainable or facing insolvency”, Mr Gardner said. “The fact is that, unlike other comparable remote towns or island states, Norfolk Island has found a model that is so close to sustainable. The Island could be totally self-sufficient if the Commonwealth lifted the dead hand of the Canberra bureaucracy and stopped blocking the economic initiatives we have developed”. Mr Gardner said that over a number of years, the Commonwealth had consistently vetoed or outlawed major development proposals put forward by the Norfolk Island Government. These included the development of an offshore financial centre, operation of internet gaming and provision of online tertiary education, amongst many others. “I am sure that if the Commonwealth stopped its obstruction and freed up Norfolk Island to pursue its own economic destiny, we could be totally sustainable”, Mr Gardner said. “Instead, its offer of ‘help’ to our community is to withdraw many aspects of self-government and impose a vast array of crippling tax measures which will destroy our major industries and threaten our cultural freedoms”. Mr Gardner highlighted the assessment of the effects of such shortsighted policies made by Federal Liberal MHR, Ms Sophie Panopoulos, in a parliamentary report published in late 2005. Under the heading of “Lessons from the Indian Ocean Territories”, Ms Panopoulos said: ”It is a regrettable fact of history that once prosperous island states on Australia’s doorstep have become economic and social basket cases due to the removal of self-governance and total incorporation into Australia from too much interference from the Commonwealth at the expense of the Australian taxpayer”. The Chief Minister said that Norfolk Islanders would suffer losses of service if the Commonwealth carried out its proposal “to provide an equitable level of service delivery compared with Australian communities of a similar size”. “It is precisely this sort of mentality which has resulted in reductions or total loss of services in so much of rural and regional Australia”, Mr Gardner said. “I challenge the Minister to find a remote community of 1900 people in Australia which can offer the quality and range of services we provide for Norfolk Island”. Mr Gardner said that these included: • A fully functional hospital operating 24 hours a day which offered emergency, surgical, maternity, dental, physiotherapy, counselling and aged care services, with an ongoing program of visits by prominent specialists; • A high-achieving public school offering quality education from reception to Year 12; • Over 90% of all public roads sealed and maintained; • Numerous well-maintained parks, gardens, beaches and community recreation facilities; • Five free-to-air television networks, a community radio station, one AM and five FM radio networks: and • A well-patronised public library. Mr Gardner said that the Commonwealth proposals would put these services at risk, and in the name of equity would create other undesirable outcomes. “These might include the introduction to Norfolk of some of the ‘benefits’ of the Australian model not now experienced here such as hospital waiting lists, widespread unemployment and welfare dependency”, the Chief Minister said. “We have no wish to be a basket case, but it seems that the Commonwealth has not learned from its obvious failures in other external territories and is determined to impose its discredited bureaucratic controls on Norfolk Island”. The Chief Minister said that in response to recent reports on economic sustainability, the Norfolk Island Government had developed a package of microeconomic reform measures to stimulate development and stabilise Government revenues. These included an overall strategic plan and specific measures to deal with short-term recurrent revenue and expenditure, longer-term revenue changes to ensure balanced budgeting and a programme for asset replacement and improvement. “Our package is achievable and affordable”, Mr Gardner said. “It is ready right now for Commonwealth consideration, but it is clear that in abandoning the commitment to consult us in advance of any decisions, the Minister is not interested in how the Norfolk Island Government proposes to deal with the economic future of our Island”. Mr Gardner said that Norfolk Island was seeking to work cooperatively with the Commonwealth to achieve a growing and sustainable economy. What was needed was some input of expertise and advice on revenue administration and the management of the government’s substantial businesses and fixed assets to maximise public utility and income. He was hopeful that the Commonwealth would recognise the inherent weaknesses in its proposals to impose crippling taxes and limit self-determination and would instead agree to work with the Norfolk Island Government to ensure that the Island’s unique culture and community, which were key features in its attraction of thousands of Australian tourists each year, remained strong. Geoff Gardner Chief Minister 21st February 2006
Name: realworld
Email: learjet.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 08:07:51 AM
there was an airline , but the local gov. shut it down and there was even an offer to build a breakwall harbour for free which the gov. knocked back also many people have put ideas to them about local industries looking for eveen token support ,all ignored, time to replace the conflict of interest and tall poppy crap with people experienced enough to do the job that arent related to everyone under them. we need descisions made with balls and the crew running the show were castrated long ago,bring on the healthy change , its time everyone woke up, the free ride is over
Name: pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 07:09:10 AM
In reply to caarwah. It was heard on ABC radio today by jim Lloyd that customs immigration, health and social security are to be taken away. It is now evident that they have a preconceived agenda and his whole trip here was nothing but spin doctoring. If you think you are doing it tough on Norfolk now, then you are going to be an absolutely nobody in coming years unless you want to fight for your birthright. If you think that they really wanted to help us then they would inject an economic stimuluseg securing an airline and getting tourism back ion track, funding a breakwater for cruise ships orr allowing us to get on an international airline route as a transit stop and not just a destination. If that were to happen then it wouldnt be necessary to strip us of our powers. If you think that your standard of living is going to improve, then compare yourself to an outback town, then you will realise that you are really quite well off.
Name: pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 22 February 2006
Time: 07:08:56 AM
In reply to caarwah. It was heard on ABC radio today by jim Lloyd that customs immigration, health and social security are to be taken away. It is now evident that they have a preconceived agenda and his whole trip here was nothing but spin doctoring. If you think you are doing it tough on Norfolk now, then you are going to be an absolutely nobody in coming years unless you want to fight for your birthright. If you think that they really wanted to help us then they would inject an economic stimuluseg securing an airline and getting tourism back ion track, funding a breakwater for cruise ships orr allowing us to get on an international airline route as a transit stop and not just a destination. If that were to happen then it wouldnt be necessary to strip us of our powers. If you think that your standard of living is going to improve, then compare yourself to an outback town, then you will realise that you are really quite well off.
Name: Max
Email: mhu1960@bigpond.net.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2006
Time: 09:18:58 PM
Hey Yorlye Just to say Hi and let yorly know that I saw Cam & PJ yesterday and Ceaira, Amanda & Jess today - everyones well, happy and really enjoying settling into Uni. Been keeping an eye on the goings on and have to say that while all this may have been 'writing on the wall' for a while now - I still feel sad! BUT behind every cloud there is the Sun so lets all hope the changes bring some really great things too eh? You fellas all deserve it!
Name: carwaar
Email: car@waar.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2006
Time: 08:58:09 PM
Re: The previous entry by HEllo You obviously have been living in Oz, because in reality we have been doing it tough here for quite a few years now already. As much as I, as a born and bred Norfolk Islander with a young family, would like Norfolk not to change, it is inevitable that drastic action has to be taken. So in reply to your question, I am not in shock and neither are a lot of other people on the island, contrary to the bullshit that has been written in the media over there. Maybe people within the government are in shock, but they have only got themselves to blame. They have run this place into the ground with their petty in-fighting and self interest as well operating like a secret society by keeping everyone in the dark. So, I don’t see this as the Australian Government pulling this one out of their bag of tricks. We have seen the writing on the wall for months now, since the release of JSC report and the Acumen Alliance report. Maybe you should have a read of these if you haven’t already, you might be surprised at some of the findings. Sure there are a few inaccuracies in there, but the majority of it is on the money. At least we are going to get to have our say on what path Norfolk will take and the Australian government isn’t just going to step in and say “that’s it, you have had your chance at self government, now this is how it’s going to be”. Don’t feel sorry for us, because regardless of what happens we will help and support each other, cause that is the Norfolk way.
Name: HEllo
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2006
Time: 06:17:37 PM
Are you all in shock? Trust the Australian Liberals to pull this one out of their bag of tricks, so sorry for yorlye Will be so hard on everyone of you - help & support each other its going to be tough going.
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2006
Time: 04:24:41 AM
Name: !!!!!!!!!!!
Email: hihihihih
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 10:55:23 PM
DEAR YES-BUT..............AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER GENERALLY MOVES FORWARD.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 10:06:03 PM
Thanks "Aussie" for putting up the link to the Australian Government Website. A couple of hours reading there answered a lot of my questions. I found the "Acumen Report" very good reading and obviously very indicitive of what lay ahead for Norfolk if changes don't come around quickly.
Name: Just telling
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 07:26:21 PM
To the previous poster, you might be interested to know that Borry's business is up for sale, like many businesses who have made the decision to bail out and sell up in recent months.
Name: Aussie
Email: @Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 07:24:38 PM
Hi all, I hope this posting finds you all well. The Federal government will keep on funding Norfolk for ever if needed, but not without expecting something in return. As I mentioned in my previous posting the standard of living on Norfolk is quite high compared to the mainland and taxes are definately a way to recoup some of the outlay. http://www.dotars.gov.au/terr/norfolk/governance_arrangements.aspx This is a website you can all visit and it will end all speculation, innuendo's and half truths as to what the federal government think of the current administration and gives a good guide to what path may be trodden. ie. They will expect Norfolk to pay there way. I'm sure I don't have to spell it out to you what that means.So please have a read and let me know what you think. By the way I may have appeared to be gloating in my previous posts. This was not my intention. I was only trying to point out why, without a lot of change Norfolk will not be truely independant. As for more flights into Norfolk, You can only cater for about 2,000 tourists at a time ( correct me if I am wrong ) So it will require a lot more infracture to allow for a hugh increase in tourist numbers. Given time this is achieveable, But at what cost? I love Norfolk because of it's small friendly atmosphere, and the first thing to go would be this.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 06:28:25 PM
And I must add to my previous post that when I did contact Norfolk Island myself - the service and assistance I received was second to none. Two people in particular - Sue at Borry's/Norfolk Pines Group and Lizzie at the Tourist Bureau went out of their way to help me and made my task so much easier.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 04:14:37 PM
Interesting comments about the flights to Norfolk from Brisbane and Sydney. I am flying to Norfolk next month on a Qantas ticket I purchased last October. The original ticket was for a Qantas flight serviced by Air Nauru. They went bust, and Qantas informed me I would be flying with their Subsidiary, JetConnect. Now I have been informed that I will be flying with Alliance Airlines in a 100 seat Fokker, wet leased to Air Nauru ?? - chartered to Qantas ??. What a bloody mess if ever I saw one. Now "Interesting" in their post says the planes are coming in chokers every time they land. So what is going to happen in March when these services are reduced to 100 passengers a flight. Does'nt add up to me - why would Qantas reduce the size of planes if much larger planes are already arriving there full. Does anyone on the Forum know who actually has the Flight Service for Norfolk Island from the Govt. I am sure Qantas is a well enough run business to put on appropriate aircraft if the demand is there. This all sure don't add up to me. And I must agree with another posters remarks about Mainland Travel agents attitude to Norfolk Island. My experience trying organize with an agent was so bad I gave up and rang Business's direct on Norfolk Island myself to organize my holiday. Two of our biggest Airline Booking Agents - Flight Centre and Webjet, don't even have flights to Norfolk on the Websites. And if you insist long enough - travel agents will go out the back room and dig through some boxes to find pamphlets for you, if you really want them. Someone or something has certainly got them offside with Norfolk Island.
Name: yes_but
Email: adifferentperspective@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 03:57:36 PM
And so to Reubz. Interesting analogy & much of it true. But don't bash the Australians too hard, most of them think of reporters exactly as we do. In fact most of the common comments we get are : "wow, you guys are getting a hard time..", "who is this w***** Stephen Gibbs", etc. I think the majority understand that the reports are glaringly biased & since some 70% of our economy is supported by Aussie tourists, let's be nice to all aussies (except reporters & pollies). Personally I think we should invite Stephen Gibbs back for the Easter Carnival, we can use him for "Pin the Tail on the Ass". I reckon a piece of 4x2 with a couple of 6" nails would make a good tail....
Name: yes_but
Email: adifferentperspective@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 03:40:20 PM
And now a response to timmities crack - you reap what you sow. The NIG is voted into power. How about you get out there & publically make sure people understand all the issues & vote on the issues instead of blowing wind & abusing people in this (politically) ineffectual forum. Nothing you say here will make a difference, but if you stand up to be counted, maybe it will.
Name: yes_but
Email: adifferentperspective@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 03:33:57 PM
Just reading some postings & have to reply to Aussie. You're right, it is a unique place & we do need to fight to keep it same. And whilst we do enjoy the benefits of moneys that are spent on Australian items (KAVHA - Aussie heritage, Mt Pitt - owned by national parks,etc) and the interest free loans (but we can't go elsewhere for loans, so why is this always hyped?), you have to admit that it's a pretty low cost to pay for a strategically located aircraft carrier & ongoing maintenance.
Name: bugs
Email: bugs@admin
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 03:14:48 PM
Website with details on Governance is at : <br> http://www.dotars.gov.au/terr/norfolk/governance_arrangements.aspx <br> cheers bugs
Name: normatta
Email: normatta@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 01:56:19 PM
Dear Aussie, Thank you for your contributions outlining some of the funding Norfolk receives from Australia. Some of it makes for a good read, more so if you can't read between the lines. Good on Aussie for helping Norfolk out with some of its road building! I do not intend to belittle Australia for their contributions. So please excuse my sarcasm, but its a bit difficult to take it all seriously when you pad your post with so many things which are done by Australia for Australia. We are a territory of Australia, there are going to be expenses! I maintain that the monies Australia pays to Norfolk in real dollar terms that affect the islanders and their day to day living are the absolute minimum amount they can get away with considering we are a part of Australia. The only real monies paid are when we absolutely need it, such as for Cascade Cliff and where they can they get away with interest free loans and so many of you are grateful! I have said it before, we are very valuable to Australia, so get over your, "we don't get much in return". You didn't go into East Timor for the love of it, you went in to divide the Indonesians. Norfolk is very very valuable to Australia, so much so that even if its a losing proposition financially Canberra will take us over one day - if not this week. Its just a shame we have become so ossified that most of us will roll over when the day comes.
Name: Observer
Email: @nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 01:28:05 PM
Amazed - how true about all the bad publicity but the flip side could be "bad publicity is good publicity". It seems very odd since Norfolk has been in the news through one thing or another, more people appear to be visiting. Coincidence?? Not sure but very interesting to observe.
Name: Nogo
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 01:27:38 PM
Maybe the agents get a bigger slice of the money from other destination bookings.
Name: Interesting
Email: @
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 01:23:56 PM
NoGo - How odd. The flights are coming in chokers every day they fly here - so not sure why they steer you off.
Name: Nogo
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 01:09:23 PM
The Australian Government cannot order a publicly listed company to fly into Norfolk daily. It is a company decision and if it is not worth the expense for Qantas they will not fly there. Shareholders of the Company also have a say in the matter. Just because you might get extra services - you still have to fill all of the seats to make it worthwhile. Seems the Australian travel agents do not push Norfolk at all, I myself have enquired at many and they just steer you to other destinations. Why is this?
Name: Amazed
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 01:04:48 PM
Reply to Dodo, definitely not is my reply but I hate to see these types destroying your lovely island by bringing bad publicity when things are pretty bad already.
Name: sydney expert
Email: 73_@nsw.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 12:47:03 PM
If there is the need for the Australian government to help Norfolk financially, the best bet would be for them to order Qantas to fly daily flights to the island which would feed the industry and put money back into the economy very quickly. There would need to be flights from both east coast ports. So simple - no-one loses - win win.
Name: dodo
Email: still@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 12:41:44 PM
Amazed asks the question - perhaps amazed has the answer. Actually, are you one of them amazed?
Name: Amazed Me
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 20 February 2006
Time: 09:58:42 AM
How many other high profile persons have moved in on your island to get away from authorities that might track their activities? I reckon some serious investigations be carried out promptly, before the island gets more unwanted fallout.
Name: Nigel to Grant Cardno
Email: @NI
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 19 February 2006
Time: 11:28:51 PM
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Name: that's not all
Email: @
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 19 February 2006
Time: 07:09:50 PM
This dude is also a recipient of the Norfolk Island pension. Oh yes..........one has to question lots of things and PEOPLE here on the rock and from the very top.
Name: Timittie's Crack
Email: right_here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 19 February 2006
Time: 05:04:40 AM
Yes - thanks to ALL the experts and KNOW IT ALLs and all THOSE looking after their own personal affairs, friends, family etc plus the lack of experience - Australia is no longer knocking at the doors - they are obviously walking right in whether we like it or not. No one is to blame except the NIG past and present for misleading Australia and the NI electorate. Thanks yorlye - we hope you are satisfied. One sure thing and maybe a positive.....this will show us all who is here for dodging tax and who is here just because Norfolk is unique. No doubt there will be many houses and businesses for sale in the not too distant future. In closing - if the Reubz on here is the dude purporting to be a radio announcer - then for a kiwi who has been here 5 minutes he really should give up his day job!
Name: Livin in the seventies
Email: ontherock.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 05:20:16 PM
Hey Reubz, I do understand where you are coming from but let's be like the kids at the school in Murgon. These aboriginal kids are taught that they are Strong and Smart . When I was your age I probably would have written the same reply as yours but I am old enough to be your parent and I think I have finally achieved only now, what these kids are being taught as youngsters. My chip I realise now was a log and it took a long time to unload it. I just don't think that article from you showed you as the nice person I know you to be
Name: Reubz
Email: somber@raggedrock.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 04:44:36 PM
Joe, I had no Idea, thats apalling, just when you think you've heard it all, kinda shakes your faith. And thanks 'pouri'
Name: geoff the gardener
Email: toomanychiefsnoindians@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 03:16:39 PM
congratulations to all those who have rorted admin for so long, your efforts have not gone unnoticed and your rewards are just around the corner unemployment
Name: pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 01:38:56 PM
Well done reubz, your column really highlights how pathetic the article from stephen gibbs really was. Its a pity that some people aren't smart enough to see the irony
Name: David Barton
Email: david.barton@anu.edu.au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 01:25:57 PM
Hi Norfolk Islanders, I am a researcher from Australia currently doing a study on the island looking at different energy options. There have been many studies done in the past that have involved consultants coming out to the island to tell you what they think should be done. Well, this study is different. This study is about asking the people of Norfolk what they think of energy systems. This study is INDEPENDENT and is being run through the Australian National University which makes it fundamentally different. I have no interest in pushing a particular technology, and I am not here to make money. My only interest is to find the best solutions for energy supply. If the people of Norfolk Island think the current system is the best way to go, then I want to hear from you. If you think there should be change, and have reasons to support this, then I want to hear from you. I am trying to get a wide variety of perspectives from different people. I am conducting interviews on the island to hear what people think. This involves sitting down for about an hour, answering basic questions. You dont have to know a lot about energy, you just have to have an opinion and an interest in the issues. If you want to participate, email me david.barton@anu.edu.au, or call me before March 14 tel:23384. If you want more information see http://solar.anu.edu.au/norfolk I am also giving a survey out to the whole island, and this will be released in a few weeks. I understand that Norfolk is in a delicate spot right now in terms of finances, and independence, and lots of other issues. I want to offer a voice to the people of the island, but can only do this if people volunteer their time to talk to me. So please, dont hesitate to call me. All the results from this study will go into my thesis, and this will be available to the whole island. Unlike other studies which never reach most islanders, the results from this study will be freely available. Also, all information given is confidential. See the website for more information on confidentiality. Kind regards, David Barton
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 11:27:15 AM
Nice parody Reubz. However, 'licenses' (forged) to exterminate aborigines were still circulating in FNQ as late as 3 years or so ago. The last 'boong shoot' by Territory Police (using grape-shot) - that I'm aware of - was on Groote Eylandt in the mid-1970's. However I have always maintained that the top 5% of Australians are the finest people on Earth - bar none - (think Tim Costello Fred Hollows etc.); the next 25% are as decent as any you'll meet on THIS planet ...it's the bottom-feeders in the lowest three deciles - to which Gibbs belongs - that are cause for concern.
Name: Tough call
Email: tc@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 10:41:56 AM
What has gone so wrong with the Norfolk Island Administration that the Australian Government is now taking steps to take over. Could it just be the fact that people trusted with the job of administering the funds available to keep your island running have not been qualified to ensure the funds were used wisely. How sad to see this happening, a few have destroyed your reputation world wide.
Name: Reubz
Email: grin@raggedrock.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 10:11:57 AM
Living in the Seventies It was mean't tounge in cheek, But take the wrong way if you like
Name: Livin in the seventies
Email: ontherock.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006
Time: 08:41:16 AM
Hey Reubz, it is a sad thing to blame the sins of the Fathers on the innocent. It makes you no better than the person you are obviously upset about. The disgusting report has been reported and there will be results. Your piece of "tit for tat"is just as bad as his. Two wrongs don't make a right and I betcha it wasn't you who put the official complaint foward. But then again, some people think ANY attention is better than none. Any decent living person would have seen that piece of gutter trash in the paper would have been disgusted and don't think for one minute that people from the mainland haven't complained. Your sad distorted piece must make you feel like two peas in a pod. Get the chip off your shoulder
Name: Aussie
Email: @Oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 09:32:48 PM
Me again, Other examples. Funding for a report on the Impact of Climate change and possible remedial measures,Funding for a study into renewable energy for the island, such as solar wind tidal power.A $3 million dollar interest free loan for the Cascade Cliff safety project,$ 5.8million for the upgrade of the airport. Provision of Assistance and funding by the Department of Transport and Regional Services (eg provision of funding and personnel in the development of Territory land planning and heritage laws funding for legal aid civil aviation and air safety regulatory services.Payments of pensions and benefits to veterans residing on Norfolk. Funding to Immigration Quarantine and Customs, australian federal police personnel funding and other services to the Island police service, Assistance by the Dept of defence and Emergency Management Australia,Norfolk Island's inclusion in the Federal Goverments medical indemnity insurance guarantee. Without which you would not have a single doctor willing to go to the island.There is also financial help for those islanders who move to the mainland for work , education, health reasons. Norfolk Islanders enjoy a gross per capita income 70% higher than mainland Australia. An average per capita profit 142% higer than the Mainland An average per capita wage 5% higher than the mainland. This does not include the funding from the New South Wales State government. Teachers for your schools, National parks and wildlife funding ( They spend $250,000 a year just on rat eradication)are two examples. I could go on with this , but I won't. This is not a put down, but a gentle remimder to those who want to sling off at Australia we get very little back for an enormous outlay, so thank your lucky stars and prey you remain independent because the alternative is not so rosy.
Name: Aussie
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 09:00:44 PM
Hi all, I've been lurking here for quite a while and am a little bit sick of all the Aussie bashing and half truths that takes place on this forum. Norfolk is a unique island and should fight hard to remain independant from Australia, but the truth of the matter is without Australian Federal and state Government support it would sink.Or at the very least the residents of Norfolk would have a massive drop in there standard of living. Now before you all start to see red and banging away on your keyboards just take a second to realise how much money Australia pours into Norfolk without getting a lot in return. Assistance provided through the Administrators office. Funding by federal agencies operating on Norfolk ie. $4million a year to the Beaurea of meterorology and Cival Aviation Authority, Enviroment Australia and the dept of Transport and Regional Services.Examples of recent funding. $2.2million for a new weather station,Approx $3million for Road works to repair the collapsed Mt Pitt road and Duncombe Bay Rd. There is also an annual funding of approx $500,000 to KAVHA ( Kingston and Arthur Vale's Historic Area. In fact the Federal Government has donated over $10 Million dollars to KAVHA.This does not include other money given To Norfolk Island under grant programs such as the Bicentennial Programs All of this has spin offs to the island economy and employment through the use of local labour and reliance on local businesses. Norfolk Island is also eligable to apply for funding through the National Grants program. Examples of this are,$ 80,000 grant to help Norfolk Island conduct Telecommunications tenders.$250,000 grant to help fund an Island wide waste management strategy,$15,000 grant from AMFA for research into inshore fishery, $774,000 grant for the replacement of the islands telecommuication billing system and to estabilish a fibre optic backbone and a wide internet network.Another $750,000 to fund the construction of a satellite station.An additional $56,000 to fund a tele-health project. Grants for the establishment of the Kingston Tourist Information Center,The establishment of Norfolk Islands four museums, I have only started continued next posting
Name: pouri's relation
Email: noneasyet.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 04:29:21 PM
Yes Pouri, you are right we are taking over everything and all you need to do is pay the taxes. Not a bad deal eh? But then, that may not be the wisest decison for us because we might found out that you are doing very well without us already. When you question what you have, it's not something that you would be unhappy about retaining would it? Like your lifestyle and way of life aint too bad compared to many other places. But then we all realise that there is always an unhappy minority in any society and those are the ones that need to be listened to as they are the ones who speak up first. Still with the beautiful beaches and scenery and friendliest people, you still have to exist and perhaps if there was another grant pumped back into the place like it used to be will help. Especially at the same level it was in 1976. That was around 400,000 then, and if that was still the amount you got, you would be doing fine. Wouldn't you? You will still have to pay all your exisiting taxes but you are used to those aren't you. (That's the ones that pay of course). As you peruse this little contribution you will only find that it is only meant to make you smile or frown and count your blessings because it has no credibility at all but a reminder that Norfolk is one the best places ever. catch you again sometime.
Name: Reubz
Email: outraged@raggedrock.nlk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 04:18:54 PM
Why Austrailia's gene pool is predisposed to turn out reporters of hate. Take a colony composed of the worst of thieves, murders and political dissedents etc and a ruling body of civilians and soldiers that 'Mother England' would much rather out of the way, and you have your base. Take into account the various and altogether too regular cases of cruelty, political and law corruption over the years since settlement, right to the current Iraq/Grain affair. Then mix in the treatment of Australia's own indigenous population by it's new lords, I believe the last Licence to hunt to death said population was issued in the late 1950's or was it 60's. A continued policy of Australian racial hatred exsists just as strongly today as can be seen by recent events. Yesterdays new citizens of the great land of AUZ are todays enemys based out of ignorence of racial and religious difference, all served up with a good old ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi. Australian reporter Mr Gibbs of the SMH stated that our history was based on violence, greed and lust. Yet the Capt. Bligh that caused our Mutiny which got the ball rolling for us, was the same that caused yet another much larger Mutiny in Australia itself when appointed a governor there. 'The Rum Rebellion'. But when the Auzzies mutinied it was OK because it was over rum, Not long term relationships and harsh navel treatment. So I put to you all that Norfolk's gene pool is not what it is because of our Pitcairn ancestry, but more likely that we are an external territory of Australia. The country of Mr Stephen Gibbs!. My condolences to all Australians that are offended by this, that's more than you'll get from your fellow countryman. Then again we all live in the same country, don't we?. C U Reubz
Name: about "Happi Foundation" / terminally ill patients
Email: .net
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 01:58:17 PM
It is a charity for terminally ill patients..... the Happi Foundation and Greg Chappell and others were taken for over a million about 3 or so years ago by a supposedly Knighted investment pusher who lives on an Island somewhere near Australia. There was an article on the internet about it. None of the investors have ever seen one coin of their money returned. Contact the foundation for the story.
Name: dar corner
Email: da
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 12:19:33 PM
Hey Pouri - make sure you have your facts. It could be just that - rumour.
Name: pouri
Email: ya
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 17 February 2006
Time: 10:39:15 AM
Has anybody heard the rumour that the aust gov is planning to take over customa, immigration, finance etc and is making an official announcement sometime next week? What are sentiments on the matter?
Name: bewareofshonks
Email: badkarma@shonkyland.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 16 February 2006
Time: 05:24:24 PM
Be very aware of 'projects' emanating our of Shonkyland (Queensland). You may end up being not so Happi!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 February 2006
Time: 04:53:23 PM
http://www.happi.org.au/website/HAPPI/HAPPI_foundation.htm
Name: The "Happi Foundation" in Australia??
Email: NIF@.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 16 February 2006
Time: 02:25:11 PM
Does anyone know about the Happi Foundation in Australia ?
Name: ashamed australian
Email: embarrassed
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 16 February 2006
Time: 11:36:24 AM
hello 'do'ntyoufeelabitsilly?', my apologies for being unclear-probably due to shock! I'm a subscriber to SMH (not anymore) & feel embarrassed & ashamed that this kind of viciously bigoted & racist ranting can be published online in a major aussie newspaper for the whole world to see. I mean how does it make us look in the eyes of the civilized world? I know there are neo-nazi groups active in Sydney because I had a racist flyer left in my postbox just after the Cronulla riots with this link on it and an approving caption - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lynching-of-michael-donald.jpg - but I didn't think the same sort of mentality would pervade the Sydney Morning Herald. I'm a naturalized immigrant myself who came out here after the War & I really felt like I was reading the kind of vicious antisemitic tirades that Heinrich Himmler used to whip up for Julius Streicher's Der Stürmer ("The Attacker"). [Himmler was Reichsführer-SS Reich SS Leader and Chief of the German police. In this capacity, he was responsible for the implementation of the Final Solution - the extermination of the Jews - as ordered by the Führer, Adolf Hitler.] Der Stürmer ("The Attacker") was a weekly Nazi newspaper published by Julius Streicher from 1923 to the end of World War II in 1945. Der Stürmer often ran obscene materials such as pornography, mixed with extremely anti-Semitic caricatures and open, undisguised hate propaganda like accusations of blood libel. Stephen Gibb's accusations against the Norfolk Islanders, of ritual sex & human sacrifice reminded me of "blood libel" indictments against the Jews as per: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/faculty/streich3.htm Surprisingly, here's what the SMH has to say about it's readership: "They are active, heterogeneous, multicultural, travelled, sophisticated, and make up the coveted AB demographic. They have money to spend and they want value. Our readers, therefore, expect the best. And they know where to get it: only in The Sydney Morning Herald."http://heraldadcentre.fairfax.com.au/adcentre/newspapers/smh/index.html By the way Stephen Gibbs looks very much like Heinrich Himmler & does not remind me of an Aryan Superman: http://www.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/heinrich-himmler-photo.shtml
Name: do'ntyoufeelabitsilly?
Email: here
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 February 2006
Time: 10:56:52 PM
ashamed australian, thanks for clearing that up. Your position did'nt seem clear to me. I think that strange little person should do a lot more research and put a lot more thought to the damage he can cause innocent people by writing such garbage. Have a good one yorley.
Name: formerfa
Email: traveller21au@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 15 February 2006
Time: 04:21:11 AM
Hello NF! I have heard through a little birdie (well a big birdie that looks sorta human!), that as of march, Air Nauru will be wet leasing an Alliance Fokker 100, and operating BNE-NLK-SYD-NLK-BNE 3 days per week. In other words, air nauru will have the same arrangement it did a while ago with QF (codeshare), but instead of the 737-400, they will fly an Alliance F100 with Alliance crew. This is now reflected in the Qantas online schedules (Operated by Air Nauru - aircraft type 100 =F100). Secondly, just wanted to wish Cam and PJ all the best with uni in brisbane and a safe flight over today... Finally, some may recall a flight a year or so ago, in which there was a pretty bad problem with the landing gear, which resulted in an emergency landing and a precautionary evacuation. 3 of the 4 flight attendants on that flight were unfortunately made redundant last year following the collapse of Norfolk Jet. Im looking for the article that appeared in the Norfolk Islander about that incident that made reference to the crew. Is there anyone that can help? Im making something up for her as a bit of a surprise (photos from the various places we flew like solomon islands, papua new guinea, western queensland etc) and this article would make a great centrepiece. Cheers, Former FA
Name: Question for Cool and the Gang
Email: @.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 15 February 2006
Time: 12:44:08 AM
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Name: cool and the gang
Email: righthere@.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 February 2006
Time: 08:04:28 PM
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Name: cool and the gang
Email: righthere@.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 February 2006
Time: 08:03:38 PM
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Name: DosomethingGeoff@Nfk.com
Email: Nfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 February 2006
Time: 03:16:37 PM
Joe et al, FYI I have been in touch with the Attorney General's Dept in Canberra and Gibbs' current and previous articles are being investigated now viz a viz the Racial Hatred Act. Watch this space!
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 February 2006
Time: 02:27:08 PM
Cheers 'DosomethingGeoff@nfk.com': Gibbs seems obsessed with our "genes" in general & the notion that we're "inbred" in particular. Whilst noting that we're originally half anglo half tahitian, he does not draw the obvious corollary that at least half of our original "genes" DID NOT derive from Britain. He's apparently chuffed that ALL of his did. He also ignores the very high level of exogamy practiced on the Island since the 1856 settlement; as attested to by the hundreds of foreign patronyms marrying into what was always a small community - many, if not most, NOT of British descent - as evidenced in our genealogy charts. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Demographers work on the assumption that there is a new generation each 25 years; ie. over 600 years a single person would have roughly 16 million ancestors - presuming that there was no 'inbreeding'. But if we go back another 600 years [ie.to 800 AD the time of 'Charlemagne' Charles, King of the Franks, first sovereign of the Christian Empire of the West; born 2 April, 742; died at Aachen, 28 January, 814. ...from whom, many demographers believe, ALL west-europeans are descended), the number of ancestors for this ONE SINGLE PERSON would be 281.5 TRILLION progenitors - ie. presuming that there was no 'inbreeding' in their genealogy ...ie. far more people than have EVER EXISTED throughout the history of humanity. AND THIS CALCULUS APPLIES ONLY TO ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ******************************************************************************************************************************** Now we know that between 600AD & 800AD, the population in Europe as a whole, halves. In the British Isles it collapses by 80 per cent - to perhaps less than a million - ...all contemporary 'westerners' derive from these 'demographic bottlenecks'. source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/road_to_riches/timeline/text_timeline.stm YOU CAN DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS TO EXPLAIN THE MATHEMATICAL ANOMALY OF WHY THERE WERE NOT THE **_MILLIONS OF ZILLIONS_** OF BRITONS IN BRITAIN CIRCA 800AD (viz. there was probably less than a million), NECESSARY TO PRODUCE THE SIZE OF A [NON-INBRED] BRITISH POPULATION IN 1788 - WHICH WAS AROUND 5 MILLION. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ******************************************************************************************************************************** The bottom line is however, that the average Norfolk Islander is FAR LESS 'inbred', than Stephen Gibbs is.
Name: DosomethingGeoff@nfk.com
Email: proud@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 February 2006
Time: 10:29:34 AM
I have to agree with Joe, Stephen Gibbs would not have had the gall to write such defamatory comments about other minority groups resident in Australia or its Territories. Should he be allowed to sully the Norfolk Islanders and get away with it? I think not! Lobby the Ministers and Adminstrator, seek legal advice from Canberra and stop this guy and his employer in their tracks. Demand compensation!
Name: Dear Not To Sure
Email: writing@here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 14 February 2006
Time: 04:15:25 AM
Even if he was involved, -----there wouldn't be anything that the foreign authorities could do about it --------since citizenship is an issue ---- correct???
Name: Not to sure
Email: nts@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 13 February 2006
Time: 04:38:08 PM
Where there is smoke there is sure to be fire. Was he in at the start and decided to retire with the spoils before the authorities got wind of what was going on.
Name: have to copy and paste
Email: TKII@innocent.conn
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Monday, 13 February 2006
Time: 03:21:45 PM
www.haysconsulting.net/correllhorizon/12-07-05%20Zawistowski%20Dec.pdf ------------------------------------------ page 13 of 25
Name: The Knight is Innocent
Email: TKII@innocent.conn
Country: United Kingdom
Date: Monday, 13 February 2006
Time: 03:19:26 PM
http://www.haysconsulting.net/correllhorizon/12-07-05%20Zawistowski%20Dec.pdf page 13 of 25
Name: Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Email: ...@com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 13 February 2006
Time: 01:26:51 PM
STEPHEN GIBBS FROM THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD IS NOTHING BUT A COCK-HEAD, WANKER, AND F***WIT. IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD STAY CLEAR OF NORFOLK ISLAND FOLLOWING YOUR DEFAMATORY COMMENTS.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 13 February 2006
Time: 10:42:53 AM
"A climate where the boundaries of political and media discourse shift to allow, even condone, the demonising of certain racial and ethnic minority groups arguably promotes violence against those communities – both discursive and physical. Racial vilification has the effect of silencing those individuals and communities who are its subject. This silencing can minimise people’s participation in society, affect their educational and career opportunities and life chances." ****************************************************************************************************************************** source: Sally Frances Reid and Russell G. Smith, ‘Regulating Racial Hatred’, Trends and issues in crime and criminal justice, No. 79, Australian Institute of Criminology, February 1998, p. 2.
Name: Joe
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 13 February 2006
Time: 10:10:00 AM
This is red-hot actionable under the Commonwealth Racial Hatred Act 1995: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "Why Norfolk Island's gene pool brimmed with suspects" Sydney Morning Herald, Australia - 10 Feb 2006 ... with Janelle Patton's murder flies to Sydney today. His arrest clears Norfolk Islanders of her murder, but it vindicates them of nothing, writes Stephen Gibbs. ... cf. http://smh.com.au/news/world/why-norfolk-islands-gene-pool-brimmed-with-suspects/2006/02/10/1139542403030.html ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The above-referenced racist invective - clearly intended to villify Norfolk Islanders as an 'ethnic group'*** - written by Fairfax journalist Stephen Gibbs & published by Fairfax's Sydney Morning Herald on Feb 10th, exemplifies, on the one hand, the non-existent capacity of the existing media self-regulatory framework in Australia to adequately address racialised reporting & the negative stereotyping of racial/ethnic minority communities; and, on the other, highlights the snowballing and largely unquestioned manifestations of what has been termed the "new racism" in the Australian media in general & the Fairfax Press in particular (cf. Kazak v John Fairfax Publications Limited [2000] NSWADT 77 http://www.law.mq.edu.au/Units/law404/ADT%20NSW%20Kazac%20v%20Fairfax%20case%202000.htm ) _______________________________________________________________ ***************************************************************_______________________________________________________________ However, legal remedy is most definitely available under Commonwealth statutes; & it's high-time that the Norfolk Island Government issued class-action writs against Gibbs & Fairfax: _______________________________________________________________ ***************************************************************_______________________________________________________________ Commonwealth Racial Hatred Act The Racial Hatred Act 1995 (Cth) [RHA] added Part IIA to the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth) [RDA]. It states that: It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if: the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and (b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group. The ‘reasonably likely’ to ‘offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate’ is a lower threshold than that contained in the ADA, and is unique in racial vilification legislation in Australia. Some recent Federal Court decisions illustrate the way in which the RDA provisions have been applied. cf. (1) McGlade v Lightfoot [2002] FCA 1457. http://www.ntu.edu.au/faculties/lba/schools/Law/apl/blog/stories/conlaw/124.htm (2) RACIAL HATRED ACT 1995 No. 101, 1995 - List of Sections http://scaleplus.law.gov.au/html/comact/9/4573/top.htm ***ADDENDA: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The term 'ethnic group' has been broadly interpreted in comparable overseas common law jurisdictions (cf. King-Ansell v Police [1979] 2 NZLR per Richardson J at p.531 and Mandla v Dowell Lee [1983] 2 AC 548 (HL) per Lord Fraser at p.562). The current expectation in legal circles, is that Australian courts would follow the prevailing definition of 'ethnic group' as set out in King-Ansell. The definition of an ethnic group formulated by the Court in King-Ansell involves consideration of one or more of characteristics such as a shared history, separate cultural tradition, common geographical origin or descent from common ancestors, a common language (not necessarily peculiar to the group), a common literature peculiar to the group, or a religion different from that of neighbouring groups or the general community surrounding the group. cf. Racism: Power and the Press http://fifth.estate.rmit.edu.au/racism-power-and-the-press.php ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Name: ashamed australian
Email: misunderstanding
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 12 February 2006
Time: 10:19:10 AM
TO [ Name: do'ntyoufeelabitsilly? ] [ PLEASE NOTE THAT MY POST WAS A TRANSCRIPT OF THIS SMH DIATRIBE: http://smh.com.au/news/world/why-norfolk-islands-gene-pool-brimmed-with-suspects/2006/02/10/1139542403030.html ( http://tinyurl.com/dgw6k ) ] BY STEPHEN GIBBS - LIKE YOU ALL MY EXPERIENCES OF NORFOLK HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE]
Name: I care
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 February 2006
Time: 09:21:09 AM
My heart goes out to the two children born during the four year investigation. What of them now? Had things gone quicker these little darlings would not have been born. Perhaps they will be good people as they grow older, what a terrible legacy they have been left with.
Name: do'ntyoufeelabitsilly?
Email: here
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 12 February 2006
Time: 12:06:05 AM
ashamed australian. I was a child model who was later offered many modeling jobs including work for Dolly Magazine and was asked to do a music video clip in America by the manager of a top American band. I find it easy to make and keep friends wherever I have lived and so I guess I am not a nasty or bad person. I lived on Norfolk for many years and in that time had two relationships, at different times, with two different single men who treated me well. Unfortunately neither turned out to be my soul mate but I never had a problem there with preditors like the ones I had to deal with when I lived in Sydney. One of my school friends mother was murdered in Sydney and one of my school friends father was murdered in Sydney. My friend was murdered while he was at work at the front counter of a major accomodation hotel in Sydney in a random attack by a druggy when he was only eighteen years old and my best friend had all his money stollen while he was laying in his car dead after a car accident, again in New South Wales. These were all good people who I grew up with and knew well. The people who murdered them and the one who stole from my best friend still have not been found so maybe they are still walking free in Australia. Do you really want to try to make Norfolk Islanders look and seem bad when Norfolk Islanders and everyone else know what the rest of the world is like? I never felt safer or happier than when I lived there. The islanders are great people and I guess that just like every other place you get a few that are'nt so great. I suggest that you face reality and look at where you live. I do'nt see anyone on Norfolk throwing a young woman off a bridge for her mobile phone. That happened in Australia and so have a million other bad things like that (litteraly). Could you spend more time trying to fix our mainland Australia before you start to criticize a beautiful island like Norfolk where they do'nt murder, not in one hundred and fifty years anyway. Can you say the same for mainland Australia? Two fourteen year old girls might have just murdered a taxi driver here. Are you really thinking you have the right to criticize Norfolk Islanders? Was that your intention?
Name: ashamed australian
Email: sorry
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 10:50:57 AM
[ by STEPHEN GIBBS ] Why Norfolk Island's gene pool brimmed with suspects Email Print Normal font Large font February 11, 2006 Page 1 of 2 The man charged with Janelle Patton's murder flies to Sydney today. His arrest clears Norfolk Islanders of her murder, but it vindicates them of nothing, writes Stephen Gibbs. Advertisement AdvertisementNORFOLK Islanders like to live in the past, the further back the better. They claim a romantic heritage filled with swashbuckling ancestors who were courageous, resourceful and peace-loving. In reality, the islanders are descendants of treacherous fugitives from justice who would have hanged if their morally corrupted community had been discovered before all but one of the men was murdered in a bloodbath of jealousy, greed and lust. The police who investigated the murder of Janelle Patton on Easter Sunday 2002 did not encounter the Norfolk Island of the tourist brochures, but a dysfunctional society shaped by two centuries of secrecy, violence and illicit sex. Four days after Ms Patton's murder they stepped into a shallow gene pool bobbing with suspects. And that is what most of the persons of interest were: suspects. If police could arrest suspects on hunches, several of them would have been locked up on sight. Among the suspects were a man accused of pulling Ms Patton's hair at the leagues club, a man with whom she described sex as "not rape, but not what I wanted", a twice-married man known as "a consumate womaniser", a man police said had to be spoken to about preying on women and another man known to stalk women. They want to know when they will get an apology. The answer is never. Ms Patton's own diary entries, included in the police brief tendered during four days of coronial inquest in June 2004, provide an outsider's perspective of islanders, particularly some of the men. June 18, 2001: "Jap down for tea & spat on me." [There was evidence that Ms Patton had harassed Jap after their relationship broke down.] October 19, 2001: "Spoke to Jap (f---wit). Found out he's been rooting Robyn & has been since Kurt's b'day … Told me he's my first enemy on Norfolk." January 29, 2002: "Went to Francis's for a coffee .. Saw Bucket @ Foodies - invited me out to tea (Chicken & salad). Basically only wanted a root so I left." Some islanders talk of vindication. Their noses are out of joint over the investigative process, particularly the naming during a coronial inquest in June 2004 of the 16 persons of interest to police. They should not be. That list was not exhaustive. Neither was the list of possible motives Detective Sergeant Bob Peters read to the coroner. This is that list in the order Peters read it out: * Premeditated attack on Janelle Patton with the intent of committing an offence of a sexual nature; * Premeditated attack on Janelle Patton with the intent of causing her bodily harm as a result of some past grievance; * Premeditated approach to Janelle Patton with the intention of persuading her from taking some form of, as yet unknown, action with no initial intent of causing her harm; The next three suggested motives were the same, but couched in terms the attack or approach was "opportunistic"; two further suggested motives were premeditated or opportunistic attack "on an available female" with the intent of committing an offence of a sexual nature, or with the intent of causing her bodily harm. The last was "concealment of a separate offence or incident". In forming a list of persons of interest, Sergeant Peters told the coroner, detectives had sought to identify anyone who may have been involved in a relationship or dispute with Patton. They then tried to establish whether that provided motivation to kill her. "Similar inquires have been conducted in respect of people who have been nominated as having a sexual interest in Janelle Patton or who were alleged to have the propensity for physical or sexual attacks on women or who had allegedly displayed anti-social behaviour towards women in the past," Sergeant Peters said. There was no shortage of either. Calls for an apology to Norfolk Island following the arrest of a New Zealander over Ms Patton's murder ignore the fact the great bulk of rumour and innuendo about her alleged killer came from islanders. Sergeant Peters told the coroner that police "were inundated with calls offering assistance, information, advice, reported sightings of Janelle and reports of suspicious activities and people". Even without finding forensic or factual evidence linking any person of interest with Ms Patton's murder sufficient to bring a prosecution, police felt they had good reason to name the 16 persons of interest. There were at least half a dozen others they could have named. Glenn McNeill, the man charged this week with her murder, was never one of them. * Premeditated attack on Janelle Patton with the intent of causing her bodily harm as a result of some past grievance; * Premeditated approach to Janelle Patton with the intention of persuading her from taking some form of, as yet unknown, action with no initial intent of causing her harm; The next three suggested motives were the same, but couched in terms the attack or approach was "opportunistic"; two further suggested motives were premeditated or opportunistic attack "on an available female" with the intent of committing an offence of a sexual nature, or with the intent of causing her bodily harm. The last was "concealment of a separate offence or incident". In forming a list of persons of interest, Sergeant Peters told the coroner, detectives had sought to identify anyone who may have been involved in a relationship or dispute with Patton. They then tried to establish whether that provided motivation to kill her. "Similar inquires have been conducted in respect of people who have been nominated as having a sexual interest in Janelle Patton or who were alleged to have the propensity for physical or sexual attacks on women or who had allegedly displayed anti-social behaviour towards women in the past," Sergeant Peters said. There was no shortage of either. Calls for an apology to Norfolk Island following the arrest of a New Zealander over Ms Patton's murder ignore the fact the great bulk of rumour and innuendo about her alleged killer came from islanders. Sergeant Peters told the coroner that police "were inundated with calls offering assistance, information, advice, reported sightings of Janelle and reports of suspicious activities and people". Even without finding forensic or factual evidence linking any person of interest with Ms Patton's murder sufficient to bring a prosecution, police felt they had good reason to name the 16 persons of interest. There were at least half a dozen others they could have named. Glenn McNeill, the man charged this week with her murder, was never one of them.
Name: hellooo (Cindy)
Email: cindy67@nospammail.net
Country: United States
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 10:42:56 AM
norfolk islander please note "...." means press QUOTE(see link below), not my personal comment - given that it totally exonerates all norfolk islanders from suspicion, why are you so outraged about it? The following is also a quote "...." from the preceding entry "perhaps YOU could post the correct details here" http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18095004-421,00.html
Name: Concerned
Email: @oz
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 10:32:18 AM
Norfolk's favourite person Reporter Stephen Gibbs is at is again reporting in todays Sydney Morning Herald 11/2/2006. What did yorlye do to get him so off side. All the article does is put down Norfolk Islanders. Very little about the current case but he takes an opportunity to slam you locals.
Name: Yeh
Email: Yeh
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 10:10:25 AM
Dear Norfolk Islander, If the information 'helloooo' wrote is not correct, perhaps YOU could post the correct detials here, so as to squash any rumours regarding the case??? PLEASE.
Name: To Grant from advisor
Email: advisor@niforum
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 07:52:39 AM
Grant, I feel for you being under all the stress of all of this. I would suggest writing to the SEC in America and asking them to take your name off of Google and all the press releases that mention your involvment. They are very good about helping innocent people. Best of luck on your future endeavores, your friend way down Driver Road BTW, How did your name get on the Google "HYIP" sites in the first place? Name: sleepyhollow Email: here Country: Choose Country Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006 Time: 05:52:52 AM Comments I am tired of my name being used in association with HYIP or any other associated mention of my name? Can you please tell me how my name can be removed permanently from any sites posted on Google using my name? Can whats there be removed immediately. Its wrong and has caused a lot of stress. Best Regards, Grant Cardno. Posted by: Grant Cardno at January 29, 2006 09:16 PM
Name: sleepyhollow
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 05:54:16 AM
I am tired of my name being used in association with HYIP or any other associated mention of my name? Can you please tell me how my name can be removed permanently from any sites posted on Google using my name? Can whats there be removed immediately. Its wrong and has caused a lot of stress. Best Regards, Grant Cardno. Posted by: Grant Cardno at January 29, 2006 09:16 PM
Name: sleepyhollow
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006
Time: 05:52:52 AM
I am tired of my name being used in association with HYIP or any other associated mention of my name? Can you please tell me how my name can be removed permanently from any sites posted on Google using my name? Can whats there be removed immediately. Its wrong and has caused a lot of stress. Best Regards, Grant Cardno. Posted by: Grant Cardno at January 29, 2006 09:16 PM
Name: Norfolk Islander
Email: norfolk@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 10 February 2006
Time: 08:12:23 PM
RE: HELLOOOOO Surely you have the maturity and knowledge to realise that you can't always believe what is read in the media. Before you comment as brashly as you have ...... do your homework!
Name: Re: Hi Carren, Please email Grant at lmci@ni.net.nf.
Email: aunt_helen8@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 10 February 2006
Time: 02:41:56 PM
Grant, Carren thanks you for your email, but she certainly is not going to give out personal contact nformation to someone she does not know. Just answer her one sumple question either at her email or on the forum and it shall suffice. Best regards, Carren Comments Thank you for responding, Just have Grant email Carren at aunt_helen8@yahoo.com with an answer to her question since he is under intense investigation by the SEC in the U.S. The animals, they are like forensic proctologists with graduate degrees in speliological archeology the way they freeze any account they want to.
Name: Concerned
Email: Aoz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 10 February 2006
Time: 02:27:27 PM
Not very wise to make comment about the case.
Name: hellooo
Email: April2002
Country: United States
Date: Friday, 10 February 2006
Time: 11:44:23 AM
"Mr Rhead said McNeill, who was working as a chef on a temporary entry visa when Ms Patton died, was interviewed by police and "volunteered his fingerprints" in April 2002, one month after the killing. "Those prints matched latent fingerprints found on the sheet of black plastic on the body of Ms Patton," he said. He said McNeill was residing in Little Cutters Corn and drove a white Honda Civic sedan at the time of Ms Patton's death."
Name: Not surpised
Email: I@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 09 February 2006
Time: 10:51:37 AM
Iwonder you have got in one!
Name: brent
Email: brentandlynne@xtra.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 08 February 2006
Time: 05:34:56 PM
We love Norfolk and visit the island several times a year on holiday but with our business we must still be in constant contact with both our office and clients. We get detailed information that is emailed over and found the account we reactivate each time with NIDS to have been invaluable. Although there is no mobile phone service we need to be able to use NIDs because of the amount of data we can download on our pc. Imagine a motel complex coping with their phone lines being jammed with an incoming fax of 40 pages of information several times a day. Without this service it will affect our ability to holiday on the island.
Name: iwonder
Email: iwonder
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 08 February 2006
Time: 06:33:33 AM
not surprised, so basically what you are saying that the person who most likely gave advice to the government re not taking up the internet is now in a higher position within the administration? And that this person doesn't deal well with the public (that he/she are there to serve) and feels as though he/she must be in control? If what you are saying is right (and I don't doubt it) then surely that person must be at least aware of the situation, if not controlling it. But, there were only three names mentioned in the paper on the weekend and this name (providing you and I are talking about the same person) wasn't included...a bit of puppettering happening perhaps?
Name: whatfor
Email: onnfk@nfk.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 February 2006
Time: 04:59:05 PM
Well, HALF A STORY, seems like you obviously have information relating to why NIDS is being hung out to dry. Seeing as most 'posters' on this forum support NIDS, please let us have the whole story. I for one would like to hear it!
Name: NIDS
Email: NIDS
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 February 2006
Time: 09:14:30 AM
re:half a story That’s just it, we don't know why, if they were to give us a clear problem we could come up with solution but we are being dictated to.
Name: half a story
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 07 February 2006
Time: 07:11:42 AM
Maybe someone at nids might like to tell people the whole story, instead of whipping people into a frenzy by purposely not telling people the real reason why they want the dish deactivated
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 07 February 2006
Time: 05:59:32 AM
Ucklan, Thank you very much for that reply. That gives me a good idea as to what is available.I have always found that having some thoughts prior to going on any holiday can make thing so much easier when your there. Again thanks.
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 07 February 2006
Time: 05:50:14 AM
Grayeme - Seaworld is still going and doing well - not entirely seafood. Last time there seafood limited to prawns, oysters, fish (of course) & mussells. No crabs or Crays... Still good food....but bear in mind the majority of seafood has to be imported into Norfolk and so are not "trawler" fresh every day!! Other restuarants are all good too, do try Garrison - Pizza on Norfolk, Hillies, Governors Lodge & Barneys. For Lunches you cannot go past Branka House and Homestead... You can spend your entire holiday enjoy the gourmet delights of our eating houses...... Enjoy Norfolk - its beautiful, peaceful, as relaxing as you want to make it, and oh so friendly.....
Name: Damn Yank
Email: tattler@skunkbox.org
Country: United States
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 03:51:52 PM
Darls en Colin, Sorry to be away so long. Many things have happened such as my mother's mild stroke. We will write soon. Grabramoon, The long awaited arrest hath finally been made! You stuck to your guns and reason hath prevailed! Cheers to ye, sir! Paul en Monica
Name: Re: Hi Carren, Please email Grant at lmci@ni.net.nf.
Email: aunt_helen8@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 02:41:39 PM
Thank you for responding, Just have Grant email Carren at aunt_helen8@yahoo.com with an answer to her question since he is under intense investigation by the SEC in the U.S. The animals, they are like forensic proctologists with graduate degrees in speliological archeology the way they freeze any account they want to.
Name: Grace
Email: dimmzia@hotmail.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 02:37:58 PM
It absolutely baffles me that instead of pursuing new ways to attract tourists to the island to help our economy (e.g. making us a domestic destination which will increase flights to the island, tapping into new markets etc), the government is spending their precious time and efforts into destroying NIDS. Who for? Certainly not us, the customers, the community. Didn't we elect these people to help make our economy better? How's shutting down the island's FIRST internet service provider going to benefit us? It's not. It's going to make it worse. Say goodbye to affordable internet rates and reliable wireless internet people. And for what? So the government has even more money to spend on IT consultants telling us what we already know. This is not progress, it's not even standing still. We're going backwards. When will this madness end? And WHERE will it end? Winston Churchill once quoted: "if we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future". Wake up yorley.
Name: epocinoz
Email: epocinoz@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 12:36:06 PM
Hi Grayeme, Try the twilight fish-fry at Puppy's Point. It is put on by Boo Prentice at Pinetree Tours. I did when I was last on the island and it was great and also includes a lot of traditional island food. Good value!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 05:49:47 AM
Thanks Shayne and Ipinefornorfolk. After being on this forum, I am going with a much different outlook to the one I had at the time of booking. Not going for a few weeks yet.
Name: Ipinefor Norfolk
Email: IpineforNorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 12:16:58 AM
Sorry Grayeme for spelling your name wrong last entry. It's late and I have had a big day.
Name: IpineforNorfolk
Email: IpineforNorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 12:11:52 AM
Hey Graeme, I am not sure if Seaworld is still going but that was really good for sea food. Someone still on the island will see this and let you know which are the best places for it now. Have a great time on Norfolk and it would be interesting to hear from you on the forum when you get back home. If you can, please visit Lone Pine for me on dusk.
Name: Shayne-ex Wokaway cook
Email: tedricoflomaar@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 06 February 2006
Time: 12:06:35 AM
Grayeme, It's been a while, but how about trying the Garrison. I have heard that it has changed hands recently (no doubt for the better), and if Kurt and Kane are still there; you'll be guaranteed a great meal and excellent service! Mention my name, eh? Regards, Shayne.
Name: not so silent protest
Email: marchindowntown@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 10:17:03 PM
and again it is their own bloody fault as the always put ego before brain..........move on over NIG.........you had your chance and blew it..........all march on the next assembly meeting?
Name: nor larnen
Email: nor@larnen
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 08:55:12 PM
I doubt there will be anybody coming in here to support NIG shutting down NIDS, from here it looks like just another foolish decsion on the end of many others. My initial thoughts are regarding VOIP as a previous submitter suggested. It seems that the masses on Norfolk still haven't cottoned on to the huge savings with this technology and with Telecom having been a huge cash cow for so long NIG looks to be losing another very important revenue stream.
Name: iwi
Email: here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 08:44:48 PM
i also hope such people be bought to account for their actions in these ponza and h.y.i.p. scams. is it true the first one was started around the 1930s. i am bewildered how the authorities are so much behind the 8 ball. i surpose the fraudsers are just too cunning at weaving their magic.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 07:10:12 PM
What is the best Seafood Restaurant on Norfolk Island??
Name: Saddened by the Legacy
Email: QueenElizabeth@Ave
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 02:31:18 PM
It is rather sad how NI has become in the eyes of the world a jokeshop and safe political refuge for ponzi scammers with an international reputation. I only hope that the authorities will do their proper investigation and execute proper judgement on those who derserve such.
Name: Resident in absentia
Email: onyarob@nfk.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 11:25:22 AM
Hi Rob, Isn't it simply a case of VOIP (voice over internet)and the growth thereof, that will take a load of cash away from Telecom as the International calls through the telephone network dies away? One of my kids plays WOW (World of Warcraft) and spends hours on VOIP chatting with other kids around the world, all virtually for nil cost.
Name: long memory
Email: dapine.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 10:25:50 AM
If you are part of a Government that is shown to be ineffective and non progressive then your ego must be wounded . It is human nature that criticism doesn't sit well with one's ego. Well I for one don't care about Governments collective ego problem. Thank goodness for NID'S. Rob's attempts to give the best of communications with the least cost hasn't always been smiled upon. His success speaks for itself. The Government ultimately is there to work for US. Speak up and support NID'S
Name: Not surprised
Email: d@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 10:01:03 AM
Iwonder...I am not in the habbit of mentioning names as rule, as it is against the policy of this web Forum to do so...but it doesn't take to much figuring out to establish who has been in control of the admin computer systems, it appears that same person gets promoted higher and higher up the chain of command...hmmmm! That same person fails to deal with the outside public and feels they must control everything... that same person provides advice to the Government alla Admin... Rob, NIDS and the whole team you have shown the Government up and they don't like it...you have provided a great service to the community and deserve the full support of the community...Come on forumers post your support today...Cheers NIDS for an excellent team and service!!!
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 09:50:46 AM
here here transparency and clarity, well said, totally agree, perfect wording,thanx.
Name: transparency and clarity
Email: a@whatisright
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 09:40:46 AM
Hey NIDS, go for it. Transparency of actions and consequences need to be shown here. Are you at liberty to show to the community the letters and replies or non replies to the NIG? The community has excelled with your services and to remove them without involving the community input and heresay is deplorable. We are all aware of the costing and the way our island is in a state of financial ruin, felt more than said, observed more than stated, and the fact that you are indeed the leading and more informed internet provider. Could you call for a public debate or forum where the island as a whole could have input and clarity and most of all the information need to make decisions that will lead the island profitably for all business and the self.If the NIG have their information and all the necessary tools for an honest debate then there will be no holding them back to fight for their own residents will there? And who again makes the decisions for the internet from the government? I support the fact that the island requires healthy competition and most of all a choice which is the individual's right, and no-one has the right to take that away. Let the people decide, let the people vote, let the people choose. These rights are removed with dictatorship and communism, are we these? I have been happy with the service the politeness of staff, and most of all the professional and ongoing updated internet skills, honesty and caring this service has provided. Open the case, let us all see for ourselves what and why the NIG wants to close you down. Thanks for your service and I will continue to support this service. A.
Name: questiontime
Email: questiontime
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 09:00:55 AM
is the governments decision to attempt to shut down NIDS a purely business/finance type decision, or is there a personal vendetta against Rob and NIDS appearing from within admin?
Name: iwonder
Email: iwonder@whoknowsthetruth.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 05 February 2006
Time: 08:56:53 AM
in response to not surprised's comments earlier about the government not thinking the internet would take off on norfolk, can anybody say who was in charge of the admins computer section when that decision was made? Surely they would have had some input into that decision. Keep fighting Rob, you're doing a great job!
Name: In support
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 04:58:03 PM
Is it out of fear that comments made on this forum are beginning to expose the deep rot in the Norfolk Island Government and the foolish decisions made by the sitting members,now efforts are being made to shut down NIDS for good before the Government itself goes under? This is called DICTATORSHIP where free speech is being undermind when that happens Norfolk is really finished.
Name: thinkaboutit
Email: why@dontcha
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 04:18:02 PM
Perhaps there is a terrorist or associated body working within your government. _______________________________________________________________ Could that be why the island is in such a bad state? _______________________________________________________________ Would exlain why the local Government is closing down airlines and businesses.
Name: Backing NIDS
Email: angel_nfk@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 04:06:32 PM
As a resident of Norfolk Island who now lives in Australia, I know just how important the services that Norfolk Island Data Services Provides actually are. Being on the Island over the Christmas break and seeing the devastating situation the NI Government has forced the Island and its community into is embarassing and outragously stupid!!! Now when people know I am from NI, instead of saying wonderful comments as they used to, I hear things like 'Geez, doesn't sound like NI will be around much longer', or 'Aren't they only just keeping afloat?' Imagine the pain one feels when these things are said about their home. Especially when one is only used to compliments regarding NI. I really did think that the NI Government would have slowed down on the pillage after seeing the evidence of their uneducated decisions and actions in 2005. But now...they want to shut down NIDS operations. How immature, uneducated and uninformed they are!! I suggest we demand a reason WHY they are requesting these vital services to be ceased!!! Rob and team...stay strong and forge on. Anyone with any sense can see how effectively you have provided the community with a means of communication and business. Families, individuals, clubs, businesses, admin...NIDS have assisted in making the communication aspect of all these lives and businesses easier. Pity yorley's brains, knowledge, information and education aren't appreciated by those that "govern" our Norfolk. Fight for what you believe is right...lets back them up!!!
Name: dear Question for Carren
Email: lmci@ni.net.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 02:38:20 PM
thank you for responding, Just have him email Carren at aunt_helen8@yahoo.com with an apropriate answer to her question since he is under intense investigation by the SEC in the U.S. The animals, they are like forensic proctologists the way they freeze any account they want to. Comments Hi Carren, Please email Grant at lmci@ni.net.nf. This Forum is not the place to discuss things. Grant is also happy to call you and make things plain and clear.
Name: NIDS
Email: info@nids.com.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 02:31:55 PM
3 Jan 2006 Government to Force NIDS to Close. On the 21 Jan Norfolk Island Data Services was issued with a directive from the Norfolk Island Government to remove or de-configure the satellite Dish in 14 Days. This is our link to the outside world, with out it we are not in business. We would like to assure our customers that we will not be turning anything off, to do so would cause chaos in the community and major disruptions to businesses on the Island and would be grossly irresponsible. Norfolk Island Data Services is the result of 24 years dedicated work of a highly skilled team, our Internet services has been running continuously for 12 years we could no sooner go out the back and turn it off as a mother could strangle her own child. We believe the services we supply are of a great benefit to the people and the economy of Norfolk Island. In 2004 the government passed a law specifically designed to shut us down, it is this law they are using. Telecom has offered us no viable alternative to our satellite link. Both the direction and its cover letter gave no clear problem that needed to be solved. We have contacted the Government over the last 14 days attempting to find out what the problem is, our correspondence is going unanswered. We asked the Office of the Administrator to seek an explanation from the NI Government. The reply contained a number of inaccurate statements and was grossly misleading. NIDS remains as it always has been, committed to a diplomatic resolution of this issue that is beneficial to the Island’s community as a whole. Foolishly or purposely once again it seems the NI Government is displaying ‘selective hearing’ on such a crucial matter. I see this action as our Government using dictatorial powers to strip an affectionate private enterprise of its loyal customers to prop up a antiquated GBE (Telecom). If the Government wants to enforce this act of dictatorship in the courts we say bring it on we are ready. We ask for community support to protect free enterprise. Rob Ryan Norfolk Island Data Services
Name: no more votes from me
Email: banana@republic.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 11:18:59 AM
dear not surprised, it would seem nothing is sacred with this government.Do you know they are opening up the quarantine laws to bring in a whole heap of new plant varieties to norfolk?the list of plant species ie very interesting as a lot of them already exist here and most of them have no commercial potential. Someone could be forgiven for thinking it is a ploy by the cheif minister to increase the stock in his privately leased commercial nursrey .......but hey.....he wouldnt do that!!! that would be nest feathering!!!!!!! why are they wasting what is left of our deminished resources on these projects anyway??? they seem to be constantly abusing their positions to monopolise other peoples hard work when they should be putting ALL THEIR ENERGY in to promoting THEIR AIRLINE and norfolk as a destination to fix the VERY ORDINARY SITUATION that THEY HAVE CREATED. does any one else recall a meeting of "tourism industry partners"held at the south pacific resort ,PRIOR TO norfolk jets forced insolvency, when our cheif minister explained that the recent down turn in visitors has been a direct result of THE GOVERNMENT not co-operating with requests from the 6 major tourism wholesalers, who then onsell destinations to all the travel agents? I wonder why they would choose to NOT co-operate with them?????the norfolk islander newspaper covered this meeting at the time , repeating all its details word for word EXCEPT this one very important sentence. Is it possible this was quashed by our cheif , as the ramifications of this scenario are hugely serious given the following chain of events????????? I for one can read between the lines and call me paranoid if you like but i think if a royal commision was held here what would be revealed would be shocking..........................DONT BLOODY TRUST THEM!!!!!
Name: Kenny
Email: kenny@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 10:43:32 AM
Hi NIDS, If possible can you change the refresh rate on the Webcam to 10~20 seconds. I have trouble over here on the big island but would dearly love to see Burnt Pine each day!
Name: Kenny
Email: kenny@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 10:42:28 AM
Hi NIDS, If possible can you change the refresh rate on the Webcam to 10~20
Name: Kenny
Email: kenny@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 10:42:27 AM
Hi NIDS, If possible can you change the refresh rate on the Webcam to 10~20
Name: expatriate
Email: classified
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 09:17:54 AM
how about a new forum with three levels of access: 1)residents only - must authenticate to access,'avatars' permitted (used to be a public message board on a pine tree somewhere near channers corner - what was it called?) 2)interested allcomers - must register a stable IP to access & agree to monitoring (residents would likely ignore this space) 3)potential visitors - for those interested in Bountiana/Norfolk History/R&R etc: open access but no political commentary permitted (ie. all uninformed tripe will be deleted)
Name: Not surprised
Email: @Norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 04 February 2006
Time: 08:09:47 AM
NIDS- I am not surprised by the Governments actions and wish to offer you my 100% support. It appears they want to own everything and want the monoply to line their own coffers. We acknowledge the lond standing service that has been provided by NIDS and the community should support you 100%. If it wasn't for NIDS we would not have had a ISP in the first place, considering the powers to be at the time (In Admin) decided that internet would nopt take off here on Norfolk Island. Don't want to put the thought into the Governments head, but if they are going for the monopoly what is next??? Maybe they should be the only importers of clothing, perfumes, watches jewellery...and maybe thay can own accomodation units??? What next indeed! Come on forum post your support today...count me in NIDS!
Name: NIDS
Email: NIDS
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 09:36:30 PM
A reminder.....and please note........Although this is a public forum and free speech is encouraged, NIDS respectfully requests that users of this forum refrain from any mention of the Janelle Patton matter in the interests of a fair trial.
Name: Kev
Email: krag3@bigpond.com
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 08:30:52 PM
"QUOTE " I am a norfolk Islander ,i have lived here all my life and i raise my children here. Norfolk has had a rough time of late and our fair share of BAD publicity. But as i scroll down the forum pages i am very dissapointed to see what people are writing about one another , i cant remember when i last saw a positive note on here at all. Did you not read my post's on 22/01/06 & 29/01/06. I don't think I could have been more positive about Norfolk. I have been visiting this forum reguarly since finding it on our return and am becoming very pissed off with the crap that is going on here. I can tell you that if I had discovered this forum and the low minded pettiness, bitching and cheap shots that are going on whilst hiding behind a false name and email addresses before our trip I WOULD HAVE HAD SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT VISITING YOU AT ALL. The negative feedback coming through is disgusting. Anyone contemplating a first visit to Norfolk would never go if they had found this forum beforehand. In saying that I sing praises of NORFOLK loudly to all that will listen and still intend to return next year for 2 weeks with my family. Yes the latest media hype won't help much, but maybe the publicity will help with the tourism problem, more bums on seats, who knows?. Anyway I sincerely hope that the situation re Jannele is resolved asap and your beautiful jewel can progress well into the future Kind regards Kev
Name: NIDS
Email: NIDS
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 05:55:07 PM
We say again.............Although this is a public forum and free speech is encouraged, NIDS respectfully requests that users of this forum refrain from any mention of the Janelle Patton matter in the interests of a fair trial.
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 05:22:43 PM
concerned, if u knew anything about MY HOME you would know that everybody knows everybody even if they say they dont, you just dont get it do you, we have been put through enough shit about this to last a life time, give it a break.
Name: Prospero
Email: @bibliotech
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 02:56:22 PM
ATTENTION:Name: Ian Email: IanB@lycos.com Country: New_Zealand _______________________________________________________________ IanB: if you can read this - be aware that Norfolk Islanders have had a 100% literacy rate from the time of settlement in 1856 & have never needed spanish-speaking Cubans to teach us remedial english; unlike some in the neighbourhood, apparently... _______________________________________________________________ "With a population of little more than four million inhabitants (80% are the descendants of European immigrants, mainly from Britain and Ireland; almost 15% are Maori; and the remainder Asian Pacific islanders and other immigrants), New Zealand has functional illiteracy problems that prevent many people from leading socially productive lives. The 1996 International Adult Illiteracy Survey revealed that one in every five New Zealanders has a very low literacy level. The levels range from one (very low) to five (very high), with three as the minimum required to confront the complex demands of daily life and to work within the nascent information society." source: 'Cuba collaborates on literacy programs in New Zealand - 20/11/2004' http://www.cubanlibrariessolidaritygroup.org.uk/articles.asp?ID=14
Name: NIDS
Email: NIDS
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 01:43:36 PM
Repeated.............. Although this is a public forum and free speech is encouraged, NIDS respectfully requests that users of this forum refrain from any mention of the Janelle Patton matter in the interests of a fair trial.
Name: An Islander
Email: moveon.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 01:42:17 PM
Well done NIDS for your input and also to Food for thought. NIDS - why can't your systems put a block on all nasty comments being submitted? There must be a way with all the modern technology. There is a great deal of defamatory comments on here and I wouldn't like to think whose heads would roll should someone bring in the authorities to trace the writers of the comments. I know for a fact that people can trace submitters on here because it has been done before. I agree, forget the negativity and nastiness. No wonder the tourists aren't coming here. They get on this forum site, take one look and decide to go somewhere more pleasant and happy.
Name: No Tell
Email: Notell@
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 01:23:18 PM
Couldn't agree more. Good on you Food for thought.
Name: food for thought
Email: chew_on_this@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:33:09 PM
Hey good to see the Webcam up and running again! Let's make this forum a positive place for one to come and read. None of this tit for tat business. Don't you want to encourage people to want to go and visit Norfolk?! So why not show a little positive attitude in here?!
Name: NIDS
Email: NIDS
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:26:16 PM
Although this is a public forum and free speech is encouraged, NIDS respectfully requests that users of this forum refrain from any mention of the Janelle Patton matter in the interests of a fair trial.
Name: Question for Carren
Email: lmci@ni.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:24:56 PM
Hi Carren, Please email Grant at lmci@ni.net.nf. This Forum is not the place to discuss things. Grant is also happy to call you and make things plain and clear.
Name: pieceofmind
Email: logic@mind.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:17:47 PM
I am a norfolk Islander ,i have lived here all my life and i raise my children here. Norfolk has had a rough time of late and our fair share of BAD publicity. But as i scroll down the forum pages i am very dissapointed to see what people are writing about one another , i cant remember when i last saw a positive note on here at all. The new breakthrough in the murder case is great news and norfolk has a right to be excited , but hey leave the bad vibes to the pro's (the media) and start showing the rest of the world what norfolk is really about. This island is a very special place to all people that know it and love it , so please dont let bad words ruin it forever. keep your heads high.
Name: NIDS
Email: webcam
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:13:47 PM
NIDS's webcam is up and running again. :-) www.webcam.nf
Name: Worrynot
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 10:54:02 AM
Maybe a few pokies available to the media when they zoom in on your isle (call it revenue raising). Jokes aside, not a good move to allow further gambling - it only brings misery in the long run. Who has interests in this - who will make money out of it? Bet the money doesn't go into running your hospital.
Name: starvinmarvin
Email: hungary@dinnertime
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 09:51:15 AM
noticed the tab on the island is expanding..in this diminished economy is it such a good idea to be promoting gambling? is the island going to bring in poker machines? who will build the soup kitchen to feed all the hungry broke people? who will serve the soup?
Name: Resident
Email: wehaveitall.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 07:56:42 AM
Graheme - media includes:- radio, newspapers, television, internet reports etc. You must have different access than us. Ucklun is quite right. You are there, we are here and there lies the difference.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 06:42:21 AM
Ucklan - you say it is a shame the media has again whipped the Janelle Patton case again into a "Frenzy". I am a fairly diligent news follower - and here in Aussie I have only heard and seen 2 reports on the case this week. One the initial arrest and a brief report last night on the Nelson hearing. Hardly a frenzy -or am I missing something??
Name: Norfolker
Email: proud_of_it_too.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 05:56:54 AM
IanB - I suggest YOU get YOUR facts straight buddy. I am a NORFOLK ISLANDER and there aren't too many entries from Norfolk Islanders so to you also - butt out and pull YOUR head in okay? Pathetic comments like yours and a few others on here leave a lot to be desired. I agree, let the cops get on with it and do their work and let's just sit back and wait for the outcome. I note the comment about the suspect not knowing Janelle - just how many killers do know they victims?????? Stop and think folks before tapping away on the keyboard.
Name: ucklan
Email: ucklan@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 04:17:15 AM
its a shame the media has again whipped the Janelle Patton case up into a frenzy. Pity they named the arrested man before his lawyer could apply to have his name suppressed - although most here would've known - Happy the first positive step didnt involve an Islander as so many was convinced we hiding one of our own - BUT - with the latest development you never know what might come out of the woodwork..... Let justice take its course and spare a thought for the families involved (both sides of the Tasman). I can't begin to imagine what the parents must be going through. As I said before, a long way to go yet....
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 01:14:35 AM
Kelly; Iknow all about that vehicle, I also know what the Police beieve, as I have inside knowledge! My opinions are up to date AND accurate!! Perhaps YOU (god forbid) are behind!!
Name: Kelly
Email: @aus
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:50:42 AM
In reply to the previous entry, you have attitude!! It is common knowledge that a vehicle was found well after the inquest dumped in a gully on the island and the Federal Police have had forensics done on that vehicle. It would be good if people posting on this forum have their facts straight before making comment on things they are obviously not up to date on.
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Friday, 03 February 2006
Time: 12:16:29 AM
Good on ya Tim! Has anyone stopped to think: where did this new DNA evidence come from? According to the inquest findings headed by Ron Cahill, there was NO DNA found on Janelle's body and the sunglasses were only SUSPECTED as belonging to her. What is this new DNA technique that the authorities are using, and Why was this man not a person of interest at the inquest, if the police had samples of his DNA b4 it started? Also; what of the FPA's opinion of more than one vehicle was involved? Who helped him, "IF" he is the culprit? From my information (which is pretty damn reliable), the man in custody did not even know Janelle!! Also; why is the NI Administration trying to get Ron Cahill the sack? Pretty suss!! I'll bet there are a few "dates" over there that are VERY ITCHY!!!! P.S. To those who wish to supress freedom of speech or vilify informed opinion: "F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Ian
Email: IanB@lycos.com
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 10:00:30 PM
Really, can any of you so called Norfolk Islanders read the written English and understand what other people are saying on this forum. Your all acting like a pack of savages, just waiting to bite anyone that comes near. May God help you.
Name: Resident inabsentia
Email: eastofyou@notforlong.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 09:08:43 PM
NOTHING can make up for the character assasinations that occured during the inquest. Assuming we get a conviction, then the way is clear for class actions to redeem reputations. Tis a shame that the cost for such a venture will be well out of reach of most of those vilified by the Coroner. Hold you head high Norfolk and remember not all those 'off Norfolk' are against you!
Name: Aussie
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 08:10:36 PM
I have always been on the side of Norfolk Islanders and had faith in their innocence. I guess the fact that some on the islanders and others who were uncooperative during the police enquiry caused suspicion.
Name: *
Email: _
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 07:42:38 PM
'Aussie' - where were you when the mud was being slung at Norfolk & the lynch mob were baying for the blood of an 'Islander'?
Name: Aussie
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 07:38:52 PM
Isn't it wise to stop this mud slinging. Just let the Federal Police and New Zealand courts handle the matter, just remember - this person is innocent until proven in a court of law to be guilty. If a Norfolk Islander jury is called god help him.
Name: Timmy Latham
Email: ringworm@arsehole-central.itch
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 06:04:13 PM
if y'all feel a nasty little itch on your clacker - just scratch & think of me
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 05:26:21 PM
What Goes Round - If your letting what little people like Tim Latham (an absolute nothin)and a couple of miserable reporter from Good Weekend worry you, then you really need to grow up. Come on, give it a break._
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 05:15:44 PM
It sounds like Come On has had enough. And he is probably right. Maybe the Janelle Patton case should be left to the courts now. I came on this Forum hoping to find some information as to what to see and what to do on my forthcoming first trip to Norfolk Island in March. I am a pretty good surfer of the Web, and as far as I can find, this is the only forum operating. I hope that is not telling me something!!! The past couple of days has certainly been an eye opener.
Name: What Goes Around
Email: spin_me.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 05:09:00 PM
APPARENTLY TIM LATHAM'S NEW BOOK WILL BE CALLED "NORFOLK.....MY HUMBLE APOLOGY" AND THE GOOD WEEKEND WRITERS WILL PRESENT AN ARTICLE CALLED "EGG IN FACE". KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THESE ITEMS AS THEY MIGHT BE WORTH READING!!!
Name: Come-On
Email: private
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 04:35:53 PM
Come on you Norfolk Islanders what are you trying to do. Your posts and attacks on this forum today are about as narrow as Watermill Creek. You won't make many friends with those sort of attacks. That is not the behaviour of the Norfolk Islanders that I have the pleasure of knowing. And if you can't behave with some respect for other peoples comments...then...you butt out...cause your doing no good for Norfolk Island. This forum is for all who are interested in Norfolk regardless of their opinions. Think about that!!
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 04:15:45 PM
That is a very good point Aussie, and at the risk of being told to "butt out" I think it should be considered by all here. I do not think the comment by "Hold ya Horses" really deserved the re-action it got, it seemed quite a legitimate thing to say at the time. Just maybe a little "thinking" before the fingers hit the keyboard would not go astray. But it proves one thing I said earlier, there are a lot of mainland Aussies out there that are genuinely concerned and thinking about our "friends" on Norfolk.
Name: Aussie
Email: @au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 02:57:37 PM
Perhaps it would be wise to cease commenting on this forum as it may have an effect on a fair trial. Guilt has to be proven in a court of law so let the law take its course.
Name: Another Kiwi
Email: in_nz.co.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 01:58:05 PM
Good on you Yeah Right, Casey and all other positive writers. You don't need idiots like 'hold ya horses' talking [writing] through a hole in the top of their heads. Just maybe he/she has someting to hide??? mmmmmmm - food for thought. We are sorry it is one of our lot, but really thrilled for Norfolk that it isn't one of yours - which we knew all along. After many years visiting your lovely island and meeting the wonderful people, there is no way we blamed any of you. I agree with Yeah Right..............butt out, pull your head in nad keep off this site if you can't be constructive. Ignorance is bliss for some.
Name: kiwi
Email: news.nz
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 11:35:40 AM
Latest News here :- http://www.stuff.co.nz/
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 11:33:09 AM
good on u Yeah Right, sick of people like that who have no idea wat they are talking about, just stick their beaks in where it dont belong,get off and bloody stay off you wouldnt have a f----n clue.
Name: Yeah Right
Email: got_him.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 10:39:26 AM
Hold ya horses - mind your business and keep off here. You are just as bad as all the media who have spun bullshit on this matter. Unless you have had and heard the reports from the Nelson court in New Zealand - then zip it - hey? We are here you are there so butt out.
Name: hold ya horses
Email: yahoo@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 10:10:10 AM
There's been an arrest, not a conviction! I heard that there's good forensic evidence to suggest that the arrested is the culprit, but lets reserve judgement until after the trial hey?
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 09:21:07 AM
As a person living as one in 20 Million, it is almost beyond the realms of my imagination to fully comprehend the pressure of doubt - inuendo and suspicion that so many people in such a small community have had to live with the past 4 years. There must be an unimaginable feeling of release for all on the Island at the moment. I know at this stage it is only an arrest, but let us hope, that if indeed he is the culprit, then justice can be done swiftly and without further hurt. It is going to take a huge effort by all to put all this in the past, and get on with building the bridges to Norfolks future. I can assure you though, that the thoughts and best wishes for the folk on Norfolk Island are paramount in the thoughts of thousands of mainland Australians today.
Name: At Long Last
Email: hooray@yahoo.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 04:13:36 AM
Extradition hearing at Nelson re 2002 Norfolk Island killing Posted at 6:49am on 2 Feb 2006 Extradition papers will be filed in the Nelson District Court this morning for a New Zealand man who Australian police want to charge with the murder of a woman in Norfolk Island four years ago. The 28-year-old resident of Stoke, near Nelson, was arrested yesterday. The body of 29-year-old Sydney woman Janelle Patton was found on Norfolk Island on Easter Sunday in March 2002. She had 64 separate injuries including a fractured skull, broken pelvis and stab wounds. ABC News reports a recent breakthrough in DNA evidence from the case led to the Nelson arrest. Australian Federal Police say the man under arrest was a temporary resident of Norfolk Island at the time of the killing and was not an initial suspect. Relief at arrest The chief government minister of Norfolk Island, Geoff Gardener, told Morning Report that there is great relief over the arrest. He said the murder left a shadow over the island for the last four years and residents are relieved there has been an arrest. Copyright © 2006 Radio New Zealand
Name: concernedx2
Email: mybusiness@oz
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 02 February 2006
Time: 12:49:37 AM
Just because an arrest has been made, does not prove innosence or guilt. let the police and the justice system do their job before any of you start to celebrate. don't hang the man before the trial and/or conviction. IF he is innosent, negative attitudes just may cause another victim in an ongoing saga. Keep your thoughts and opinions neutral till a conviction, you may very well find yourself on the jury!!
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 09:56:12 PM
just to think i used to work longside fer hem fer quite a while,jus goes to show, ya never never know.Fraidy.My son who willingly gave his fingerprints alongside of all his cousins and freinds said thank God that thats over, well done yorley who busted a gut for this one.thanx.
Name: ucklan
Email: allus@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 04:52:07 PM
Spare a thought for poor Janelles parents and brother.... what a relief it must be for them, as it is for us on the Island. Having to relive the whole damn nightmare again in the press and put up with thier specualtions wont be easy, but it might be more positive this time...Still along way to go, but its the first positive break through we have seen... Good news Unnai...
Name: me
Email: me@norfolk.nf
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 04:29:40 PM
What a breakthrough... What good news... Just had 3 calls in a row from New Zealand friends telling me of the breaking news...Now all you guys in this forum who been accusing us Islanders of covering up for one our own.......what do you think NOW!!!!... COME DIG OUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND!!!!!!!!1
Name: food for thought
Email: chew_on_this@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 04:20:09 PM
And as I have said before "Never assume because it makes an Ass out of U and ME!
Name: food for thought
Email: chew_on_this@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 04:13:11 PM
And to just think that people on the forum here were accusing Norfolk Islanders and talking Norfolk down & scheming up things! Pffttt...
Name:
Email: @cascade
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 04:01:23 PM
See media release by the Australian Federal Police at: http://www.afp.gov.au/afp/page/Media/2006/nat_060201norfolkislandarrest.pdf
Name: Kiwi Norfolk Lover
Email: private
Country: New_Zealand
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 03:47:46 PM
Congrats to the NI, NZ and Australian Police on the arrest of the man in Nelson for Janelles murder. My hope is that the Islanders and family can now have closure on this. God Bless you all. I look forward to many more happy holidays on your beautiful island.
Name: murder case
Email: lkadjsf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 03:35:29 PM
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18006758-2,00.html
Name: Seeming Contradiction, pls explain, Carren
Email: carren@thisforumonly
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 02:15:34 PM
Grant, can you please help me clear up something, a seeming contradiction or inaccuracy in your story?///////////////////////////////////////////////// I was informed that you arrived at the Dallas Ft Worth International Airport in Texas around 1 p.m. in the USA on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 to meet with investors some of the group you claimed to be only consulting with./////////////////////////////////// Which was only 2 years 11 days past at the time you posted the below./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// But below in your statement on “Tuesday, 20 December 2005.” //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////(which was removed off the forum for some reason, and by whom?? ) ( luckily someone copied it) /////////////////////////////// You stated : ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// “ 2. My role was as a consultant to the company involved in the subsequent 34 million investment opportunity. This was over five years ago.” ///////////////////////////////////////////////// ////Is it true or not that you were in the USA during that time? Did it really seem like 5 years ago and you were just mistaken?/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////Please explain, thank you, Carren. Name: Grant Cardno Email: lmci_8@hotmail.com Country: Norfolk Island Date: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 Time: 12:49:16 PM Comments ATTESTATION I, Grant Cardno make the following statement in defence of the recent allegations of my involvement in a 34 million investment opportunity. 1. I am not involved with the 34 million investment opportunity. 2. My role was as a consultant to the company involved in the subsequent 34 million investment opportunity. This was over five years ago. 3. The SCC will discover this during their audit and my name will be cleared. 4. My name was only associated and listed due to my consultancy and initial help in the start up of the group. 5. My assets are not frozen. 6. The media got it wrong and will, I trust offer an apology in due course. 7. At the time of discussions with the group, I was trading successfully with a legitimate Financial Company and my name and reputation was used by the group for investment purposes. This also involved the use of “sample” contracts using my company name. Five years ago I did receive three payments over a two week period totalling 100K for the initial start up for various reasons. 8. Investors were later advised (as I understood it to be) that I was not involved in any way with the companies operation. 9. The group were as I understood it to be, successfully trading with another group and operating on their own accord right up to the time that the SCC performed an audit on their company. Their trading and their investors have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with me. I am not privy to any information as to the reason why the group were subject to an audit, this will come out in due course. 10. If there is any fault on my part, it was my willingness to see people (investors) become successful and to the best of my knowledge, the many investors in their group have been blest over the five year period. As a result of the allegations I have voluntarily stepped down from all leadership responsibilities within the Community until such time as I have been cleared. I would hope that my attestation will put to rest the gossip by those whose desire it is to put down someone who seeks the best of others and loves success himself. This I attest, dated this nineteenth day of December, 2005
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Wednesday, 01 February 2006
Time: 11:15:07 AM
Wonder if someone on Norfolk with a Digital Camera would be kind enough to take an exterior photo of Islander Lodge Apartments and shoot it of to my email address. It would be much appreciated.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2006
Time: 09:17:05 PM
Thanks for your reply Norfolk Islander. But I don't see how you can blame the people who run the ISP for the comments that have been posted here, they simply provide the vehicle and I say good on them for that service. As I basically said in my first post, nothing will change until, the WE and THEM become US. After that, it will all be so easy. You will never win the Battle if you keep circling the Wagons!! Best wishes to all on Norfolk.
Name: Norfolk Islander
Email: on_norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2006
Time: 08:01:16 PM
Grahem - thank you for your message. You are so right in what you say and blind Freddy can see why people don't come here. All they have to do is read this forum to decide where not to visit. Some of the comments on here are a damned disgrace and the ISP should shoulder the blame for allowing the comments to remain on here. If it was a Noroflk Islander runnig the show, it would have beenn deleted as fast as it was written. I too hope you will meet the Islanders when you visit. Even if I say so myself, we are good people.
Name: Grayeme
Email: samsungasong@iprimus.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2006
Time: 02:25:45 PM
After silently reading the posts on this forum for the past 2 months I have decided to put in my 2 bobs worth. Obviously there are some unhappy people on Norfolk at the moment with the way things are going. But, through this Forum many are doing real damage to the Norfolk Island image. We must remember the Internet is worldwide and anyone, anywhere can access and read what we say. Quite frankly some of the rantings of the past couple months do not make good reading to prospective tourist like myself. Whatever the problems are on Norfolk at the moment can be fixed with a united effort from all players. I suggest to a few, that they make a big effort, and get of the island for a short visit to either Australia or New Zealand, to see the not so idylic conditions that a lot of our people live under. Also observe the rights and freedoms that the people have had taken from them in the name of security by big brother. I am sure if you do this, you will return to your homeland a much wiser person, prepared to fight constructively to maintain the lifestyle that is very unique to Norfolk Island. Norfolks future lies very much in its past, that just has to be managed. Hope to meet some of you when my wife and I visit for the first time in March.
Name: Serious Fraud
Email: beware_cardholders.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2006
Time: 01:27:21 PM
WARNING...... New Credit Card Scam Note, the callers do not ask for your card number. This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA & MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to protect yourself. My husband was called on Wednesday from "VISA", and I was called on Thursday from "MasterCard." The scam works like this: Person calling says "This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by (name of bank.) Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99 from a Marketing company based in Arizona?" When you say "No", the caller continues with "Then we will be issuing a credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the charges range from $297 to $497, just under the $500 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to (gives you your address), is that correct?" You say "yes." The caller continues "I will be starting a Fraud investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 1-800 number listed on the back of your card (1 -800-VISA) and ask for Security. You will need to refer to this Control Number" The caller then gives you a 6 digit number and then says "Do you need me to read it again?" Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works - The caller then says, "I need to verify you are in possession of your card." He'll ask you to "Turn your card over and look for some numbers." There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security numbers that verify you are the possessor of the card. (These are the numbers you sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card.) The caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, "That is correct, I just needed to verify that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say No, the caller then thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back if you do", and hangs up. You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card number. However, after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of $497.99 was charged to our card. Long story made short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the 3-digit PIN number on the back of the card. Don't give it to them. Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or Mastercard directly for verification of their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will never ask for anything on the card as they already know the information since they issued the card If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number, you think you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get your statement you'll see charges for purchases you didn't take, and by then it's mostly too late and/or more difficult to actually file a fraud report. What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a "Jason Richardson of MasterCard" with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that this scam is happening. Please pass this on to all your family and friends. By informing each other, we protect each other.
Name: Food for thought
Email: here.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2006
Time: 07:28:24 AM
ONLY UNTIL ALL OF MANKIND LIVES IN HARMONY WITH NATURE CAN WE TRULY DECREE OURSELVES TO BE AN INTELLIGENT SPECIES. How difficult is it to be positive?? Move on yorlye and stop being so bloody naresy orn ya.
Name: Islander
Email: cahwah.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 30 January 2006
Time: 12:54:03 PM
How about going elsewhere on the WWW to air out all your dirty washing. It is pathetic how this site - potentially used by visitors to OUR island is used for throwing dirt, grime and mud. Why don't you all get a life and do something constructive....just by way of a change. Yorlye ess woeful.
Name: KEV
Email: krag3@bigpond.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 29 January 2006
Time: 08:40:20 PM
Hi Hopeful, We have always wanted to visit Noffolk and decided it would a 25th wedding anniversy trip. What a trip what a spot to spend our anniversy. Are now saving for a trip next year and hoping things are sorted by then. cheers Kev
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 24 January 2006
Time: 04:01:37 AM
thanx esstrue, 2 flights are better than 1 i guess,igot my question answered anyway id just heard that on the grapevine and wondered how true it was.Dem tull only 42 teps on the place at the minute is that right?
Name: Hopeful
Email: Norfolkersarevaluable
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 24 January 2006
Time: 01:35:40 AM
Hi Kev, really glad you and your fifteen year old enjoyed our beautiful island. I am pleased you chose Norfolk. You're welcome any time. How did you hear about and decide on Norfolk for your holiday?
Name: esstrue
Email: esstrue@norfolk
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 23 January 2006
Time: 05:34:58 PM
Casey - not too sue where you information comes from. Flights at the moment are Wednesday from Brisbane, Sydney and New Zealand, Saturday from Brisbane nd Sydney and then Sunday from New Zealand. More would be better but we take what we can get you know any spare planes ?
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 23 January 2006
Time: 05:04:23 PM
damn yorley need to hear more emails like Kev, thats what yorley need tourists and more tourists who are comin back if they can bloody well get there. One friggin flight on a sunday to Kiwi at the minute is that the story?I'm baffled like many of my family are who are islanders, they just are shaking their heads and wondering what the hell is happening, its bullshit.
Name: Kev
Email: krag3@bigpond.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 22 January 2006
Time: 11:58:55 AM
We have just returned from our first visit to your superb Island. We are sorry we didnt arrange a longer stay but that only gives us more reason to return. Our 15 yo son came with us and despite our fears he would be bored he thouroughly enjoyed his time on Norfolk and wants to go back. You have a uniquely beautiful treasure in your Island. We hope your administration can get it's act together and protect your asset Thanks to you all for an unforgettable week
Name: Local
Email: @home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 20 January 2006
Time: 10:43:39 AM
Great photo's of Norfolk Island from the Queens batton visit http://qbr.melbourne2006.com.au/?s=qbrphotogallerydisplay&gid=84
Name: webcam
Email: Thanks@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 19 January 2006
Time: 10:38:55 AM
Webcam, thanks for your reply. OK, have fun upgrading and will look forward to the finished product. Coz es daar guude fe be able to look orn Norfolk. Ell make me hoemsick, doh.
Name: webcam
Email: nids
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 19 January 2006
Time: 10:27:39 AM
Sorry to leave you in the dark, we've been doing big upgrades on our wireless network, we will get back to the webcam soon.
Name: webcam
Email: whatwebcam@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 19 January 2006
Time: 09:40:07 AM
Um, can someone enlighten me with what has happened to NIDS webcam? YOrley bin live een a darkness for quite sometime now. Yorley must be se ketch up orn a lot of lost sleep. How about live images from the cam? That would be great rather than looking through a cam that doesn work!
Name: Nutter
Email: @
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 19 January 2006
Time: 08:49:04 AM
And addingitup...people who post comments like yourself should never be trusted either!
Name: Mindful
Email: @here
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 19 January 2006
Time: 08:41:32 AM
Religous groups all around the world (No matter what belief) harbours people that hide behind their religion...I could point to one big organisation that gains forgiveness straight after a commitital of sin and that puts things right?(they have a well known figure that they confide in!) Well my friends in the end it is not the Church it is the people in it...remember that you have been given one brain to think with and a heart to feel...it is up to you how you treat others and what you get back in return...if you think you can hide behind religion then you are fooling only yourself because your life catches up to you one way or another. To pick on one church and point fingers at any organisation that has helped many stay straight (Off Drugs and Alcohol), in good times and bad, to help in times of depression, to give individuals hope and something to live for is destructive...it only takes one bad apple in a bunch and fingers are pointed to the whole...be mindful of this when posting your comments. People need to have something to hold on to. The great deal that pass comment on a church or religion have never ever stepped inside and know nothing of what goes on...I have been there, to see what goes on but I have not been back for my own personal beliefs don't match...Remember an individual does not make up a church...and if that individual is a bad apple they can never become ripe and ready ever again...for a rotten apple is forever rotten and gets discarded with all the other rubbish!
Name: addingitup
Email: addingup@oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2006
Time: 08:18:08 PM
Religious nutters are not to be trusted - as seems in this case. How many other evangelist type preachers have been found to be fraudsters particularly in the USA? You only have to see them strutting around on Television to see how they suck in the masses. Call it brain washing ... once they are in the trap they suck out all their money and put in their own pockets. You only have to read what goes on here in Australia with a large Religious group, who say they donate to charity, the only charity who gets their money is themselves - sneakily put through a set of off shoot companies all of which have the same directors so the money goes round the loop in the name of charity. Beware any of you who have been conned in thinking all is above board.
Name: weetbix
Email: ceral_is_good.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2006
Time: 07:59:42 PM
How do we know he didn't burn his own home down himself in a money scam????????? let's not get too political on here, but one doesn't have to be Einstein or a rocket scientist to out two and two together.
Name: chickpea
Email: chickpea@yahoo
Country: Andorra
Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2006
Time: 05:45:21 PM
first it is my belief that we have a locum dentist on island, of course i could be incorrect. second im finding this forum increasingly boring with people slagging grant off when he is simply a very intelligent man, and noone deserves their house burnt down no matter who they are or what they do. i think the lads that did that deserve all of theirs taken in return. yours, believer in karmer
Name: thinker
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2006
Time: 04:49:19 PM
Perhaps you could put Sir Grant to work, seems he has all the answers of making big money and big profits. Perhaps the Norfolk Island Government could take some lessons from him or place him in charge of finances.
Name: Worried
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2006
Time: 08:25:19 PM
What is wrong with your elected members? Now you have no dentist - next thing is no doctors and no tourists, you are on the road to destruction for sure. Hope all those who have caused all this get toothache in a big way .... what then if there is no way off the island for treatment when there are no planes - has happened before and will do again. The island economy is in big trouble.
Name: Worried
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2006
Time: 08:23:57 PM
What is wrong with your elected members? Now you have no dentist - next thing is no doctors and no tourists, you are on the road to destruction for sure. Hope all those who have caused all this get toothache in a big way .... what then if there is no way off the island for treatment when there is are planes - has happened before and will do again. The island economy is in big trouble.
Name: voter
Email: bewarewhatboxyouticknextelection
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2006
Time: 11:00:14 AM
Get real. Ask yourselves "when has Mr Brown not been in an Assembly?" Somebody votes for him. (alot of somebodies)
Name: Dars terrible yorley
Email: I_kar_believe_et@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2006
Time: 09:01:37 AM
Waal ef dars true about Norfolk nor gut one dentist for the Island...dars terrible, Norfolk! Wuthin yorley doen? You sure ain't encouraging your own people to live there, coz dem gwenna up start and leave en get their needs met elsewhere! (Then again, who knows, that's what the government may want..getting rid of Norfolk's sullen) I kar believe et! Definately a good example of poor government management, wasting money on consultant fees by the sounds of things. Things have changed since I was growing up on Norfolk as a kid.
Name: sickened
Email: rally@norfolk.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2006
Time: 08:47:49 AM
get rid of the scumbags now ! they are just blatantly ripping off their own system now for their own self preservation...at the dire consequences of the people that voted them in....viva revolution !!!!!
Name: tellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2006
Time: 06:49:53 AM
re what a worry's statement about the dentist - yet another example of admin not worrying about the island at large. Yet if you read the paper you see they can still give themselves big pay rises despite the island being in dire financial need - who are they more worried about looking after?
Name: wellwisher
Email: people@power
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 16 January 2006
Time: 05:50:35 PM
maybe something useful here for the norfolk community as well http://www.peoplepower.org.au/Index.htm
Name: What a Worry
Email: sore_teeth.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 16 January 2006
Time: 05:11:11 PM
Can someone tell all of us on Norfolk Island why we don't have a dentist??? This is a real worry considering emergency factors. This is another classic example of poor government and management (including the hospital). It is amazing, they (down the town) are quick to bring in consultants and other money wasters, yet an important aspect of ones' health, is left unattended. This is a damn disgrace and someone's head should roll for being so incompetent and non caring. Norfolk's best ever dentist is now mowing lawns and I have heard it said many times, what a waste. Looks like we will be taking our kids off shore for dental work..........again.
Name: Top Secret
Email: classified
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 16 January 2006
Time: 02:56:09 PM
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=28145&I=1
Name: Concerned
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 16 January 2006
Time: 07:51:11 AM
Well said Who Cares. I couldn't have said it better. You have hit the nail right on the head. Yes, we need the first past the Post system again to get an honest election. Maybe that is why the dudes don't want the change 'cos they know they won't get in again. The question is, who is Tim Brown to judge anyone????
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 16 January 2006
Time: 12:05:52 AM
Have a look .. www.forestlaketimes.com/2006/January/11paonzi.html
Name: beachman
Email: email.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 15 January 2006
Time: 02:43:24 PM
here is the link http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s821848.htm
Name: beachman
Email: email.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 15 January 2006
Time: 02:39:39 PM
if the ponzi money has been moved oversees, to germany, can the authorities trace that and bring it back?
Name: HoHum
Email: @norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 13 January 2006
Time: 06:41:50 AM
Well yes congradulations to all in deciding the fate of JB, rightfully the cards should be on the table and any misconduct should be dealt with swiftly. The MLA's must be accountable for their actions...unfortunately/fortunately this one was public...whilst all the MLA's pat themselves on the back for a job well done how many of them are using their positions to look after Admin Managers? It is unfortunate that Admin can only rise as far as their managers will allow or their knowledge permits...same applies to the MLA. This island is being held back, whilst the harsh reality is that we are in a tight spot. Whom assesses the performance of the managers? If it is the MLA's there are one or two that just may be blinded by friendship...the community dear not speak out! There is a saying when you are the monkey at the bottom of the tree you look up at the monkies higher up and all you see is.....
Name: seehowis
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 12 January 2006
Time: 06:35:13 PM
Yes, maybe the game is hunt in the pack now instead of each member doing their own thing (the power of one). Or maybe it is something do with their individual survival, let everyone think that its stick with the group and that way they are assured of support should another of them find themselves in Mr.Brown's situation.
Name: You Betchie
Email: yep.nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 12 January 2006
Time: 02:13:26 PM
Hear hear previous entry, but credit where it's due - we have to congratulate Geoff, Tim Sheridan, David, Lorraine, Vicky and Ronnie as they all did it as a team. At last they have seen the light and maybe now with the wool gone from around their eyes they can now get on with their work. I have family and friends in the public service and was sick and tired of hearing all public servants get the wrap and cop flack. Something had to give and besides, with all the self interests our fellow Minister has, there is no way he should have held the portfolio that he did, plus have his son and manager work alongside..........no one else anywheer in this world could have done it and got away with it. Also, well done to Robyn for her letter last week. I reckon this weekend's local paper will be a best seller!
Name: Seehowis
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 12 January 2006
Time: 02:08:35 PM
You say dignity is restored again to your Government, just because one member was kicked out by majority vote. There never was much dignity there in the first place. Those in those jobs are only there to look after themselves and their families. That is why the island is in such a mess, so don't pretend your Chief Minister is the greatest cause he sure aint!!!
Name: A Local
Email: norlarnen@norfolk.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 12 January 2006
Time: 09:33:38 AM
I would like to congradulate and Show my support for OUR Chief Minister, Geoff Gardener. Who moved a motion to remove Mr Brown from executive office for his actions at a MLA's meeting. This motion was supported by a 6 - 3 vote in favour of the Chief Minister. Its good to see someone is willing to take any action to reserve the dignitiy of the Government.
Name: A Loca
Email: norlarnen@norfolk.net.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 12 January 2006
Time: 09:33:32 AM
I would like to congradulate and Show my support for OUR Chief Minister, Geoff Gardener. Who moved a motion to remove Mr Brown from executive office for his actions at a MLA's meeting. This motion was supported by a 6 - 3 vote in favour of the Chief Minister. Its good to see someone is willing to take any action to reserve the dignitiy of the Government.
Name: OffIsland4Now
Email: help@hand.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 09:54:41 PM
I've been living in a Sydney 'Shire' for quite some time and have seen 2 councils sacked by the State Government for a lot less than what is occuring on N.I., and this is in an electorate of 100,000 people. We have now had our 'administrator' for more than 2 years and it looks like we will have for a fair bit longer. Quite frankly, I can't see that one person with a management team is doing any worse than a team of 'elected' councillors (ministers) and in fact the disappearance of alleged nepotism, corruption, bitching and back biting is a welcome relief. Watch out N.I., maybe the Canberra noose is attracting all the necks before it snaps shut!
Name: Hopeful
Email: norfolkersrvaluable
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 04:56:31 PM
Norlarnen, it's a funny thing but if islanders and minorities are told often enough that they are stupid then they will often begin to believe it even though the branding holds no truth. I think it was A.J a while back in the forum offering some ideas. I do'nt know how valid they are right at this minute but that sort of thinking big is the key to success. If I were A.J I would pull one of the better known country music entertainers aside and at least ask them if the idea could be made a reality and also just what it would take to get other bands coming. Do'nt dare to dream. Do'nt get. Do'nt ask, do'nt get. If you do it A.J then make sure it is one that loves Norfolk and one that will stop, listen and think. If you get no interest then try another one and you can't lose by trying but you just might win.
Name: IpineforNorfolk
Email: IpinefprNorfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 04:15:52 PM
I don't usually get political, but well said Pouri.
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 03:21:35 PM
As an antidote to the apparent incipient onset of a 'cargo cult' mentality amongst certain posters: 1) re-read this (esp. final sentence) in order to 'grok' Canberra's REAL agenda: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The bottom line of the recent JSC report into the "Financial Sustainability" of Norfolk is this: "Conclusions - A long-term strategy 3.102 - It is clear to the Committee that the strategies that have been used to date by the Norfolk Island Government have not, and will not, deliver long-term financial sustainability for Norfolk Island. Given the serious challenges outlined in the first half of this chapter, the only sustainable alternative for Norfolk Island is the adoption of the taxation system of the Commonwealth of Australia." ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 2) judge the quality of Canberra's "stewardship" of small Island states by considering the fate of NAURU ...under direct rule from Canberra, the mortal remains of the venerable Island elders were strip-mined from their graves & shipped to Australia to fertilize the agri-industry wastelands of the Ocker Squattocracy;- Nauru is now universally recognized as the greatest 'stewardship' DEBACLE in human history: cf. a)Paradise well and truly lost: http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=884045 b)"I have the impression of having witnessed the death throes of an island, of a community." http://berclo.net/page02/02en-nauru.html 3) ponder the massive disjunction between Canberra's official rhetoric on "good governance" in "partner countries": http://www.ausaid.gov.au/publications/pdf/good_governance.pdf ....& what it has ACTUALLY DONE in terms of MENTORING, over the last 25 years or so, to genuinely assist the Norfolk Island Government in achieving "financial sustainability" ...then RE-READ this: http://www.pitcairners.org/government3.html (SPD, yorli se'du ucklun proued)
Name: Concerned
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 02:49:41 PM
No disrespect - but Lorraine Boudan would not be suitable as Minister for Community Services. A lovely person she is, but look at logically - she is a public servant and has not been able to answer any questions which has been put to her the last 12 months. I myself have asked her a few and am still waiting for a reply. What a laugh - the previous minister would be the first to say that as a public servant she would have to resign. Talk about double standards. It should be the community and the chief minister who decides on the replacement for the position - Not Brown, Brown and Christian. At least we will see all the work stay in house at assembly now and not at a private office.
Name: pouri
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 07:08:03 AM
Thankyou to hopeful and norlarnen for putting things in perspective. Norfolk is more precious than a bank balance. This hiccup norfolk is experiencing will definately sort out the real islanders from the pretend ones who will jump at the free ride(so they think) and have australia take us over
Name: Local
Email: @home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Wednesday, 11 January 2006
Time: 07:00:23 AM
It is a shame so many businesses have copied each other and that the accomodation numbers were opened up. Look around at the duplication of products in shops and you will see were some of the down turn is. It has always been that if someone does well out of something you can bet your bottom dollar everyone wants to jump in...now the slice of the cake has gotten smaller, but the size of the cake remains the same...or maybe a little smaller these days??? There are a number issues that need to be considered on both sides of the fence, that is local government as well as Australia Government, there are many trade offs...but really do you think that little old Norfolk Island has any clout to prevent any takeover?? We witnessed this when the Immigration/ right to vote rules were changed by Australia, the minority on the island are out numbered by the powers above, if they see fit to take us over who and what army can stop them? As for our Legislative assembly how can you expect fair voting or disscussion when members have personal interests/investments on the island...conflict of Interest wether it be a business or family members business can be protected from the inside...hhmmmm
Name: can't fathom
Email: @aussie
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 11:00:31 PM
Perhaps there has been too many businesses on Norfolk in the past and the demise of many now perhaps will stabilise things. There are also too many tourist accommodation been approved for establishment and now there is an oversupply. Everyone just got too greedy and now many are getting burnt. With the downturn in tourist numbers no wonder there is panic. While they were all making big bucks no one was complaining - now they are starting to whinge when the cash starts to dry up.
Name: norlarnen
Email: nor@larnen@hotmail.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 10:12:32 PM
Hopeful, It amazes me, with some claiming now that they are the majority, at just how stupid some of us are, but then we have gotten in to this mess as much through the electors as much as the elected! Australia will not pour the millions into Norfolk that they think she will. Ask any local council in Australia how much funding the Federal Government provides them. As for local industry, which local employers will be able to pay all of the additional expenses that the Australian model will require and remain in business? Considering that the majority of our industry is driven by tourism none of the retailers can take on the extra costs and remain in business, we will see sykrocketing prices like many of our Pacific cousins. Food, is there anyone in here think theses costs will be reduced, power? Yorley nor moosa see think der thing through. To the recent knockers in here, Norfolk isn't lying about her Duty Free status, as much as Australia and New Zealand no longer have the massive tarriffs on goods that they used to. To Not Telling - as I said, who cares how much money we have in the bank. Norfolk is our home and our legitimate claim to Norfolk is our basis for dealing with Canberra not our bank balance. We need some sullun gut a stones fe deal lorng fe Canberra.
Name: Hopeful
Email: norfolkersrvaluable
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 08:46:38 PM
Do'nt worry, I am not fooling myself. If a good Norfolk Government can do the job and get it right then there is no problem. If Australia takes over then where will you be living? Don't fool yourself. Australia can't do any better with what Norfolk has than what the present residents can do if everyone will work together and offer solutions to the problems. It's time for people to compromise and bend a little to adapt to the current climate. Islanders are definately anything but dumb, but I think that some never get to test their own abilities and fly. Have faith in your own instead of trusting outsiders that you don't even know.
Name: personell
Email: bigworld.com
Country: Bangladesh
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 04:37:31 PM
to hopeful, do you really think certain members of the norfolk government care about norfolk islanders? or is it only their personal interests that claim priority - consider it, its called politics dont fool yourself
Name: .
Email: .
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 04:10:58 PM
'Hopeful': wise words grounded in experience - thanx & please keep posting. Anyone who wants to understand what's happened on Norfolk over the last quarter century would do well to read: Galtung, Johan. 1971. "A Structural Theory of Imperialism" Journal of Peace Research 8: 81-117. Norfolk's best bet would be to remodel; as the 'Cuba' of the Western Pacific.
Name: plans afoot
Email: @ozzie
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 01:46:05 AM
Well that might just be why the Australian Government are anxious to take over the running of the island. Perhaps they have plans on the drawing board .... perhaps they might close down Baxter and other Immigration centres and put them all in the remodelled ruins of Kingston goal. That would fix the problems in Australia and put jobs and funds into the Norfolk economy.
Name: Hopeful
Email: norfolkersrvaluable
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 10 January 2006
Time: 12:38:54 AM
There are many bright and intelligent Norfolk Islanders that could run the island really well. They have managed in the past. Yes, things are bad at the moment but look at what there is to work with. The place has way more than just beautiful views. It is a diamond just waiting to be discovered. Australia has already lost a lot of it's freedom and is becoming a nightmare of a place to live in. A GREAT MANY things have to be thought about before anyone gives up Norfolk and once it is given away or taken, it will be lost FOREVER. Please do'nt think that Australia will let Norfolk be like it is, or as it has been. It will be just another part of Australia and do you really think that they will care about the current inhabitants, what they want or what they need? Australian politicians would not have a clue about Norfolk, how to run it, or it's people. They would just use it for their own agenda. Do you really think that Australian politicians care about Norfolk Islanders? Do you think that Australian politicians are honest? Or do you think that they care about lining their own pockets? Yes, it is hard but try in a realistic way to imagine your future if they get hold of Norfolk. It might be the next refugee camp. Who knows? Maybe if a thing is worth having then hold on to it. If it's not worth having, then why do they want it?
Name: whatever
Email: whoever@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 08:17:52 PM
yes, trying to pull fast ones like that is a sure-fire way so scare off the last of the tourism market. more effort on giving people reasons TO come back would be better
Name: clean sweep
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 04:27:08 PM
Another problem is that Norfolk Island maybe (tax free) but you can purchase items for less on the mainland and online. So who is kidding who. Tourists are a wakeup to this and purchase at duty free stores at the airports these days. Better change the pushing of this line (CHEAPERR THAN THE MAINLAND) it aint going to work with clued up tourists.
Name: clean sweep
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 04:17:32 PM
Blind Freddy can see the island is in trouble. I note the many businesses up for sale, from cafes, to shoe shops Reynolds a long time business, Prouds, hire car businesses well established and been around for years.Holiday accommodations, fruit & Vegetable shops, Newsagent, building businesses, and many others takeaways etc. Isn't this telling you something that the economy is in deep trouble. No wonder they are trying to reassure the businesses still teetering on the edge.
Name: chief
Email: badchief@norfolk
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 03:47:36 PM
no need to fear being shot down worried islander, you are now a majority. anyone who cant see whats happening here doesnt deserve an opinion........how bloddy long does the writing need to be on the wall for? wakey wakey norfolk...before the world passes you by !!!!!!!!!
Name: Worried Islander
Email: sad.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 02:22:44 PM
Clean Sweep - you sound so experienced and you speak like you now the goings on here. There are a large amount of despondent, disgruntled and unhappy people here as they can see just how brittle and fragile the economy is. I think we will see a large majority of our people leave which is so sad, but blind Freddy cold see the mess we are in. It is atrocious and no one is to blame except the Norfolk Island Government. Sadly, there a few of them in Government who are there for their own interests and not the community as a whole. I am an elector and I did vote in the last election, and thankfully I am only responsible for a couple of them but they don’t have any portfolios. Sack them you say. That is easier said than done. They all know just how disillusioned people here are with their pathetic efforts to date, yet they don’t have the balls to admit it. I am one of the first to admit I don’t like change, but the way things are going here, I welcome all changes [seat belts, breathalyser, drug tests, tax, etc etc] with open arms as it has to be a better option than what we currently have. It is such pity though that I will be shot down in flames on this forum for basically speaking fact and reality.
Name: You need planes
Email: @
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 02:06:27 PM
The Chief Minister, the Hon Geoff Gardner MLA, confirmed today that air services between Norfolk Island and the Australian mainland will continue to operate into the future as scheduled. Agreement has been reached with Qantas to operate charter services as advertised up to the end of January 2006, with strong prospects for increased Sydney services from February onward. Qantas has on sale all flights up to late 2006 including group bookings and package tours. “I wish to acknowledge the great cooperation from Qantas and all sections of the Norfolk Island tourism industry in overcoming the uncertainties arising from Air Nauru’s circumstances”, Mr Gardner said. “We have secured air services well into the future and can now concentrate on renewed efforts to grow the tourism market and to promote Norfolk Island as a great holiday destination”. This from www.norfolkisland.nf Geoff what are you are talking about? Looking at the Qantas website as well what travel agents are advising people that I know Norfolk only has flights guaranteed until the end of this month, not exactly well into the future as the Chief Minister states. Qantas might have fares on sale after the end of this month flying AIR NAURU! That makes sense, Norfolk is a great holiday destination but hey guys we need to get the basics right.
Name: clean sweep
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 12:41:59 PM
What is Geoff Gardner there for? Isn't he supposed to be representing the islanders and inhabitants. Yes, he should be getting on the local radio or calling a public meeting to address everyone and tell them exactly what is going on. Seems he's only there for anyone who is in business on Norfolk seeing he is meeting with the Chamber of Commerce. They must be starting to suffer with a slow down in tourists. The rot has certainly set in over there. Only you the population can demand the sacking of these idiots running your island.
Name: Worried Islander
Email: sad.com
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 10:17:46 AM
Clean Sweep - you are so right in what you say. We are sinking fast and it breaks my heart to see my island home going down the gurglar. Our 9 assembly members don't give a bloody hoot with the way we are, in fact I do believe they all think all is well and that it is us who have concerns who have problems. Yes - it is time Australia takes over once and for all and all thanks go to Geoff Gardner and his band of merry men and women who are so damn blaze' about the situation on Norfolk - the joke is - not too many of them are islanders and it is these people sinking us. Our current government is a MASSIVE JOKE and they all have problems in bringing their heads up out of the sand. God help us. We hear on the radio that Geoff Gardner will be addressing the chamber of commerce to keep them up to date with all that is happening on Norfolk - what a pity he can't tell the rest of the community.
Name: clean sweep
Email: @au
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 09:55:33 AM
Isn't it time some section of the Federal Government stepped in to stablise Norfolk Island Administration. Its just not operating as it should and many thousands have been wasted along the way. Admit it, none of those in power at the moment have a clue how to get the island out of the mess it is in, so its time the Australian Government took control for good.
Name: Hii-Hii
Email: @@@@.com
Country: Oceans
Date: Monday, 09 January 2006
Time: 09:40:28 AM
WELCOME BACK TO THE AIRWAVES FLETCH..............YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED AND NO ONE DID AS GOOD A JOB AS YOU. HOORAY - I CAN PUT THE RADIO BACK ON BETWEEN 9 AND 11. PITY YOU WEREN'T ON ALL DAY MONDAY TO SATURDAY.
Name: tellthetruth
Email: cmon@dmintellthetruth
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 08 January 2006
Time: 09:10:55 PM
another blowin - it's not just a few either, it's right through admin, plenty of bullys who do things and then abuse the power in their position to cover their tracks - it makes you sick sometimes
Name: another blow in
Email: hadagutfull@norfolk
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 08 January 2006
Time: 07:59:26 PM
no tell - disgraceful, violent, bully people...............sounds all to familiar and far too common in your island paradise
Name: Norwha
Email: I0@
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 08 January 2006
Time: 03:27:20 PM
Sorry for yorlye whey things se come on yours special island. Whose all dem sullen se dead? I nor ya anything about et. But not much news getting out from over NI these days, only place ell read wathing going on is on this forum. Perhaps yorley might have special information postings to keep us up to date.
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Sunday, 08 January 2006
Time: 02:56:47 PM
Totally agree notell on the Adrian issue, she was the only onethere for me when things were out of control I would hate to think what would have happened if it had not been for Adrian at the time,I sorry fer yorley gut nobody like her there now. It is such a big need it should b on the top of the done list.
Name: No Tell
Email: no@tell.you
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Sunday, 08 January 2006
Time: 11:38:41 AM
I have a dilemma. I don't know who the bigger dickhead is ? John Brown for thinking he can disgracefully violently bully people who oppose his views. With or without witnesses. Because we all know this isn't the first time. Derek Gore for 'forgetting' to mention the actions of his friend that would be front page news in any other community, small or large. A section of the Norfolk People who fail to realize that Ministers like John Brown have brought this Island to it's knees. Not to mention make Norfolk look like incompetent dumbass Rednecks. If a Minister can conduct that kind of behavior and get away with it, what can the general population get up to ? On the 11th January, the L.A will review Brown's actions. If it fails to demonstrate that this sort of behavior is not acceptable in a stable Democratic environment... what little faith I have left in the current leadership will be gone for ever. I am sure many others feel the same way. One final note. During that terrible 2-3 week phase on Norfolk where there were more deaths than anyone can remember, how many grief counselors were on the Island to help all of those hurting families ? Zero. Ask the Minister for Community Services (Brown) why he got rid of (Adrienne the Counselor) and didn't replace her the week before it began.
Name: karma
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 07 January 2006
Time: 10:46:04 AM
This is the site http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/paradise-lost-say-islanders/2006/01/06/1136387627981.html
Name: Karma
Email: @oz
Country: Choose Country
Date: Saturday, 07 January 2006
Time: 10:41:40 AM
Check this out http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/paradise-lost-say-islanders/2006/0106/1136387627981.html This could happen to Norfolk Island too.
Name: goodun fu se Freds
Email: starbright@carscaid
Country: Choose Country
Date: Friday, 06 January 2006
Time: 04:29:25 AM
Hey Freds - goodun fu see you in ya... Happy New Year too to you and youse lettle sullun n Beverly.
Name: en
Email: elisa_norsliene@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Thursday, 05 January 2006
Time: 06:37:34 AM
(not sure if this posted..) -------------------------------------------------------------more specifically: starting on page 3 of Declaration of Ronda J Blair --------------------------- and ---------------------------------------------------------------- starting on page 13 of - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -at: http://www.haysconsulting.net/correllhorizon.html read the testimonials under these headings - December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Ronda J. Blair December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr.
Name: en
Email: elisa_norsliene@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 05 January 2006
Time: 06:36:26 AM
more specifically: starting on page 3 of Declaration of Ronda J Blair --------------------------- and ---------------------------------------------------------------- starting on page 13 of - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -at: http://www.haysconsulting.net/correllhorizon.html read the testimonials under these headings - December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Ronda J. Blair December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr.
Name: en
Email: elisa_norsliene@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 05 January 2006
Time: 06:35:05 AM
more specifically: starting on page 3 of Declaration of Ronda J Blair and starting on page 13 of - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr. at: http://www.haysconsulting.net/correllhorizon.html read the testimonials under these headings - December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Ronda J. Blair December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr.
Name: en
Email: elisa_norsliene@yahoo.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Thursday, 05 January 2006
Time: 06:26:46 AM
Here is some interesting testimonial info at the receiver's site for the case, at: http://www.haysconsulting.net/correllhorizon.html read the testimonials under these headings - December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Ronda J. Blair December 7, 2005 - Declaration of Leonard A. Zawistowski, Jr.
Name: Unbelievable
Email: righthere.nf
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Thursday, 05 January 2006
Time: 06:08:48 AM
Goodness me Mr Cardno - how will you get out of this one????? For those of you who read this forum please be advised that Grant Cardno is NOT FROM NORFOLK ISLAND - he is a NEW ZEALANDER. We don't want people to think he belongs here. http://www.forestlaketimes.com/2006/January/4MidkiffSEC146.html
Name: Karsee
Email: @aussie
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 03 January 2006
Time: 09:01:36 PM
How true yorley se in dar dark for sure, that might apply to the running of the island as well. Cheers yorley
Name: webcam
Email: darkness@nf
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 January 2006
Time: 11:06:26 AM
Hey, whats wrong with the Norfolk webcam NIDS se put up? Yorley se een a darkness, ulla wah?
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet@yahoo.com
Country: Australia
Date: Tuesday, 03 January 2006
Time: 09:14:09 AM
Well all I can say is that it will be a damn shame for Aussie gov to take over, it will spoil everything.It just wont seem unique anymore.
Name: casey
Email: kabeatet
Country: Choose Country
Date: Tuesday, 03 January 2006
Time: 09:01:01 AM
Name: Greater Being
Email: @ease
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 02 January 2006
Time: 05:53:25 PM
No matter what is said in this forum, the forum does not control the future. The voices need to be heard beyond here! There is the greater being, being the Australian politicians and they have said in the past..."What is 1800 people!" It is just possible that we will be under Australia control sooner than we think!
Name: POURI
Email: .
Country: Choose Country
Date: Monday, 02 January 2006
Time: 01:31:40 PM
TO AUSSIE, ASK THE NIEANS COOK ISLANDERS OR TAHITIANS THAT SAME QUESTION AND TRY CALLING THEM FRENCH OR NEW ZEALANDER
Name: nottelling
Email: nottelling
Country: Norfolk Island
Date: Monday, 02 January 2006
Time: 01:04:44 PM
norlarnen - According to dictionary.com, carte blanche means "Unrestricted power to act at one's own discretion." I am not saying give Aus "unrestricted power", I am stating "By going now we may still be able to negotiate things like immigration,taxes, etc. If we leave it too late and the Aussie government is forced to take over they will TELL us what is going to happen, like it or lump it." By leaving it too late the Aust govt may TAKE "carte blanche control". If the MLA's go to them now we may be able to convince them that WE should control immigration etc. I am advocating the Aus govt coming in not only because they have long term experience in govt, but that they are also accountable for those decisions. We could have access to the Ombudsman's office for dispute resolution, to begin with - something we don't have here at the moment! Another thing, when you state "BUT THESE 149 YEARS ON NOROFLK WE HAVE BEEN FISCALLY AND ADMINISTRATIVELY INDEPENDENT", if you browse through Lightfoot's report, he comments "The Norfolk Island Governemnt has, on many occasions, had to rely on commonwealth funding and technical assistance and support." How can you say we have been "fiscally and administratively independent?" If you ignore all the funding for special projects from the commonwealth govt, yes you could say that, but realistically the NI govt can't afford to implement all the necessary infrastructure to keep NI going, they seem to rely on Aus assistance with some regularity. The fact that the Aus govt will readily provide this assistance is a major boost for NI - imagine where we would be heading if they didn't come through with the $12m for the runway? As an example, again referring to Lightfoots report, "Two loans are currently contracted between the Norfolk Island Government and the Commonwealth. Both of the Norfolk Island Government's current loans are interest free." There is an example of the Aus govt supporting the island - interest free loans. In section 2.46 of Lightfoots report he quotes dollar amounts that the Aus govt has supplied NI over the last year alone - and that amount adds up to $16,100,000. The report then goes on to state that in the year ended 30 June 2004 Admins expenditure was $20,330,506. That means that the Aus govt has provided an extra 79% of Admins total expenditure to NI in the last 12 months! From where I'm standing the NI Govt is struggling to come up with the $20m it needs to survive, let alone raise more to expand. This is where I'm coming from.
Name: aussie aussie aussie
Email: oi@oioi.com.au
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 02 January 2006
Time: 01:02:47 PM
Q: what passport do we use to leave the island and travel the world if we are born in Norfolk Island or vote in an election? Q: what flag is flying beside the Norfolk Flag? Q, whose permission was sort to have a Norfolk Flag?
Name: Shayne-ex Wokaway cook
Email: tedricoflomaar@hotmail.com
Country: Australia
Date: Monday, 02 January 2006
Time: 10:02:16 AM
Thanks guys for the feedback. I poored my heart & soul into the Wokaway for the 6 months I was there, even though it was someone else's dream (nightmare?). I knew from the start that you guys would probably prefer a better chinese take away than a noodle bar. but; that's life!!!
Name: Noodle bar
Email: @home
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 01 January 2006
Time: 05:14:02 PM
Couple of packets of noodles off foodies shelf a bit of chicken or beef and whalla a noodle bar...no not really they did have some very good dishes when they started off...but weren't so popular after awhile??? Talking about businesses see how many businesses here now sell the same products or near the same products. Gone are the days when if you wanted a particular product you go have to a particular store that stocked the item. Competition over kill on a small island. Clothing is cheaper on the mainland, jewellery of all description from nearly every shop on Norfolk...though the home made stuff seems to be very popular with the visitors. Some very good stuff produced for the markets...best of luck to all in 2006 and future years to come.
Name: happydays
Email: bobies.com
Country: Choose Country
Date: Sunday, 01 January 2006
Time: 01:29:04 PM
wokaway still looks great but they havent opened since you left shane....and its for sale....bit of a dud though
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